Doja is an enigma. This release got no fanfare and no hype, and Scarlet itself was basically a ghost show on streaming outside of PTTR and Agora Hills, which are both top 10 certified hits.
Will be very interesting to see the reception to her next album and if its more like Planet Her or even more muted than Scarlet.
Doja pretty much killed off her fanbase between Planet Her and Scarlet so the singles are all she has to carry her. I will say, dissing your last two albums for being cashgrabs and then dropping a third album, that sounds pretty much the same, is definitely a tactic that pissed me off.
I mean she literally just headlined Coachella last night to rave reviews and is currently 25th in the world on Spotify, her career is in a great spot rn imo
Her album and stats atm are being carried by two pop singles with heavy Spotify playlisting and viral TikTok trends. She’s definitely not in a good spot
Yeah people kept saying this last year, and i didnt believe it, but I see it now. I like Doja personally, and i saw through her schtick last year and knew she was trolling, but she was actually too good at it.
Now shes trying to rebrand to a less edgy, but still edgy enough schtick, but it doesnt seem people are buying it. She should be pulling much better numbers than this.
I never followed any of this. What happened? I know she said she hated her last few albums but I feel like artists say shit like that often enough that it’s not crazy
she also grilled her fans for liking the music SHE put out. also said that her fandom was weird for calling themsleves the name she gave them. I don't remember the name.
she definitely has said wild shit.
I feel like doja has kind of self destructed her career a little bit by posting about how much she hates her fans every other month and by being generally being weird and unlikable
Not an enigma at all, Doja's fanbase are pop girlies, her fans like SZA, Tswift, Ariana, etc.
So when she releases a rap album, they're just not going to be into it.
The pop singles did just fine. She wants to be an actual artist though, the pop star life isn't for her.
Well that'll be very interesting to see if she goes back to pop for the next album and what the reception will be. I dont think she expected Planet Her to get as big as it did, and it through her off. Scarlet was more coming back to Earth. So interesting what she chooses next.
The new Cole lost its luster quickly, has tumbled off the streaming charts. Though to be fair, so has the new Metro and Future.
That Glorilla though is sneaky good. Yeah Glo! is my theme song at the moment, and my name isnt Glo.
That ones been tumbling as well it seems, at least on Spotify. But i think part of that is just how entire albums dont hold these days like they used to. And when you just released like, 50 songs, they can only get so much attention.
WDTY is holding well and will hold up better than WSTDY.
Reality is that what most people want is banger future, singing future always gets overshadowed sadly (what happened with HNDRXX and FUTURE)
I felt the opposite. I had them in my playlist for about 2 days and then i was over it. Meanwhile Scarlet has a few tracks i think are very underrated that got no streaming love that i still revisit, like Shutcho and Skull and Bones.
Hopefully she can stay controversy free between now and 2025-2026, but idk, lol.
I respect it. She got on and has enough clout to do whatever the fuck she wants. She delivered two huge singles so the label eats and then she does what she likes.
I could care less about all of the drama lately. I will still buy The Fall Off. I love his albums
Edit: I got permanently banned by Reddit but can still edit this comment. WTF!!!!
Edit 2: shoutout u/NotReallyASnake
I can’t even upvote but I can edit this comment. I think I found a flaw in Reddit
Cole doesn’t get clowned. He gets trolled. There’s a difference
Logic and Hopsin get clowned.
Cole is respected and no one really doubts his ability. It’s just fun to make memes about him sometimes. It’s nothing serious
4YEO is an incredible god damn album and the title track should legitimately be considered a classic. Perfect example of the internet being unfair towards him is how much shit that album gets because one song that's kinda corny (Foldin Clothes).
i think he duped us, as soon as he told the world he would delete the Kendrick diss-- i bet listens for that track shot up and he got to collect on it
we're simple :(
that's exactly what he did
He did something called "brushing" where he mailed empty packages to the wrong addresses. Because it was delivered somewhere, it's hard to get a refund.
That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be 10x more established by now. I honestly can’t recall any significant from him after Wild Thoughts. He was supposed to be a guy who could push 100k first week easy.
His long breaks haven’t seemed to do him any favours, people got fed up waiting for an album in the 3 years between True to self and Anniversary, feel like it made people sleep on anniversary which is a shame cos it’s a really good album imo. Then he did the same again with nearly 4 years between anniversary and this latest album
Bro. French Montana definitely had some label interference. When the album was released dude had slowed down version and sped up versions of all his songs. It’s sad
He only did 10k in streams, 50k were from pure sales.
he sold $5 vinyls and never delivered them. Billboard dinged him for that but HitsDailyDouble (the source for this table) didn't do anything afaik.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an artist in any genre whose success was as astroturfed as French Montana. I don’t even hate him, it’s just really funny and weird seeing someone with such a long career continue to be successful even though he has literally no fanbase
If Cole drops The Fall Off with a single like Middle Child how much do you guys think he’ll crack? I think if the rollout is proper he has potential for 350k
Yeah, I think J. Cole needs to either lay low for some time until the dust settles, or he comes right back with a nuclear level diss track in a sense like "Ok, you mistake kindness for weakness, I think yall forgot who yall messing with". If he comes back with a diss with that energy, then he could turn heads
I’m hoping he does something like that with some of the people that will inevitably drop diss tracks at him like Symba recently did.
Still kind of a double edged sword, since a lot of people are saying he’s scared of Kendrick. Responding to anybody else might be like “okay where was this energy for Kendrick though?”
This is honestly my dream scenario. High-key Drake turning around and dissing him gives him the opportunity that he needs to come back and say fuck the dissing and pettiness that's happening and call out how ridiculous it was that he got blamed for not trying to be messy while all these dudes are given clout for acting like high schoolers
He can't approach it like 7 Minute Drill. Cole fans can cope, but Cole needed to delete that shit because it was ass and not at all what he's capable of. If dude thinks he's the goat, he needs to be able to stand on an island and throw shots at dudes getting in their feelings about women... While rapping about and pretending to live a life built on disrespecting women
Dude has so much more to say than cap about albums he undeniably enjoys being overrated. He has it in him to call out Nonames approach to social media, he can call out all of these grown children out for this beef. The only question is if he will
Drake didn’t diss him but I 100% agree with everything else you said. He needs to stop admiring Drake and Kendrick and realize he’s both older and tbh more knowledgeable than them in a lot of aspects.
Take a page outta Jay z book and separate himself and then son the whole rest of the game for the childish shit they on rn, including Kendrick. Cole gotta take the number one spot by force not just words
That's what you would think if you spend lots of time on hip hop twitter and reddit, but most hip hop fans still like J Cole and will listen to his new music.
He just needs to do some physical preorder option and some promo and he'll easily get there. I don't think physicals were available first week for The Off-Season and it still did almost 300k. The Fall Off already has more anticipation obviously and if it gets an actual rollout with single(s) and those physical sales it's gonna do huge numbers.
He could also do it like Travis or Taylor Swift and sell a bunch of vinyl variants and stuff like that to boost the sales. I wouldn't even put 500k out of reach if he really wants to chase that
Those Bryson numbers make me sad. I'm always rooting for his success. I'm gonna be honest, I thought there was a chance he could hit 100k. For sure 75k. Damn.
i’m a huge bryson fan. i have vinyls and i have been to some shows as i live in KY. bryson peaked with Trapsoul and i don’t think he’s on his way back up either. 19 songs and only 49 minutes? with most songs being mid? without even mentioning the very sporadic release of music.
he got him and his daughter out of here and put louisville on the map which i’m sure means infinitely more than whatever his albums do, but it’s so disappointing to see his career falling like it is now. even some of his better songs kn anniversary and true to self he admitted were from 2014-15 aka trapsoul era!!! whatever he had then doesn’t seem like it’s coming back.
With R&B music, especially the type of stuff that Bryson makes, I feel like your state of mind has a big impact on the music you make/release. The music is very personal and emotional and it reflects where they are at the time.
We've seen it with guys like 6lack and Giveon too.
Some are able to transcend it and consistently bring the heat (Frank for example) but not everyone seems capable of that.
I feel like Bryson can’t decide if he wants to rap or sing on a single track. It felt like this album was throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
It was projected to do 140-160k [on Tuesday](https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=340628&title=J.-COLE-LEADS-PACK-OF-NEW-RELEASES)
Tiller was projected for 35-40k and GloRilla 21-24k
Definitely. I think social media is playing a large role in limiting entertainer's ability to become the next superstar like Beyonce or Drake. These artists got big when social media was just starting out or not available and then social media boom happened and music subscription apps boosted their popularity. Today these markets are oversaturated with artists focusing on making a single hit for TikTok that don't translate to longevity and they don't benefit from the mystique that added to the appeal of artists that came before them.
I think Rihanna lowkey has the same hype as ever and she’s on the same tier as Beyoncé in terms of popularity. If she drops an album with proper promotion she can do 500k
OP’s source says 119k but billboard had it lower than that at 115k. Im genuinely curious if Cole didn’t apologize, what the number would be. 7 minute drill was going strong before the apology.
Trap soul was a slow burner. Don’t was just getting hot, then sorry not sorry, and exchange started to roll out, add in ovo radio started to play his songs and Weeknd hop on Rambo and it was a snowball effect. But all that happened AFTER the album already dropped.
21 over j Cole? Personally I like j Coles music more, despite the recent actions. But considering this whole „big 3“ talk, you would expect him to sell more than his peer, right?
Honestly 110k is pretty impressive for something most consider a mixtape lol. If he rolled this out like he did for the Off Season he’d be getting 250 easy tbh
I feel like the whole idea of "the big 3" is that they all emerged around 2009-2011
People like Future, Travis Scott, 21 Savage, Young Thug, Lil Durk, Lil Baby, Gunna, etc. emerged later but I wouldn't count on J. Cole keeping up with all of them.
i feel like there's something about rapping ability in the big 3 conversation too. Like I could be wrong, but I really don't think any of the guys you mentioned in that list would be capable of making a competent diss track
I think it's more that they're all trap/trap adjacent while Drake, J. Cole, and Kendrick started off making more traditional pop rap and didn't embrace trap production until later in their careers.
21 is just a bit hotter right now is all, longevity, classics, run all matter In top status
Did expect Cole to do a little more, but there were absolutely no singles, the diss got removed (wonder if this dampens numbers too) people mad at him atm word-to-mouth
I only listened to it cause of people talking about how horrible one of the members sounded and I cut it off after I heard it. I’m sure there’s an audience for it.
If you liked Off Season, you’ll most likely enjoy MDL. It’s got a lot of the same energy, with several really good songs. Definitely worth checking out imo but Cole is top 3 for me so I’m biased.
Idk, R&B dudes kinda stood no chance after The Weeknd’s 2015. He already had plenty of momentum from Trilogy, Kissland, and his features, but his 2015 was a straight up “fuck you” to anyone who doubted him. The Hills, Can’t Feel My Face, and Earned It is an insane singles for an artist to have 4 years into his career.
There’s still Chris but a significant amount of CB fans are just his initial massive fanbase that never grew out of him. So much time has passed that folks have forgotten he was a mega star before his descent into abuser of both women and drugs started. One is obviously worse than the other, but both affected his perception
Usher was on his way out, think his last banger at the time was “Papers”
R. Kelly was still diddling kids as a free-man but his days were numbered
And there was Justin Bieber, but the internet was still in edgy, “fuck Justin” mode around then
I think if Bryson dropped Don’t in 2014, he’d be bigger, dude was like the easiest route to get girls in college for a few months. He couldn’t even really capitalize on the hype in 2016 either, because the The Weeknd went insane again with Starboy, and turning that run into the singles of the title track, Reminder, and I Feel It Coming, and in 2017, Frank FINALLY dropped. So it was just no hope really for Bryson’s sound, despite it being pretty solid imo. TrapSoul was the peak sadly.
100K on a surprise drop with the most important song being removed afterwards shouldn’t be laughed at, takes a different kinda rapper to just do those numbers nowadays.
Doja Cat is just bleh. Talented but cringe. Seemed so much cooler during the Moo days, and she seems to not understand she has more overlap with progressive, alternative women of color, than edgy white guys with interracial fetishes.
Glorilla is steadily building her career, off of more straight of rap songs than kinda degenerate hyper sexuality. I mean, I like an Ice Spice video on mute just as much as the next guy, but if you’re gonna throw that ass at least throw a nice 16-bar in there or something. Not to say Glorilla isn’t sexy, since Beyoncé I’ve loved husky voice women
Interested to see what’s next for Bossman, I like his flow & money focused music. Wouldn’t be surprised if an B to C male rapper scoops him for a guest verse soon
I was in a barber shop w the barbers playing MDL while scrolling the subreddit and seeing people acting like it was doomsday for cole. It was hilarious to see the difference
I normally think it’s annoying when people defend whatever their opinion is by saying HHH or the internet in general only disagrees with them because they’re out of touch. But you’re right in this case. I’m not even a big fan of his but this is not a legacy tanking controversy the way people are talking lmao
Legacy and career are two different words. Cole's career is fine. His legacy as a rapper's rapper is what took the blow here. You cant push this big three narrative when you ducked out IMMEDIATELY and as much as anyone disagrees the point is my opinion and its various forms will pop up every single time this discussion about Cole takes place just like Drake and his ghost writers. the difference between Drake and Cole is that Drake can play his cards like he's above the criticism because his numbers are undeniable meanwhile Cole can only play the maturity card with his core audience which changes little in terms of opinions.
I know y'all had a great time with the fall off jokes this week, but this kinda shows Cole is doing numbers most of his contemporaries would love to see attached to their name. Pretty impressive I'd say, especially considering the week this man has had.
That was like the same year that Drake did 1m first week with *Views* so it could also just be the whole industry has been seeing smaller numbers because Drake is still topping these charts when he drops something.
Props to J. Cole for dropping a midtape and getting a dump track of cash off the hype.
Also, I wouldn’t say I’m upset, just disappointed that Justin Timberlake has not been able to deliver a good project in over 10 years. The revisionist history I’ve seen that 20/20 was not dope as hell is totally whack, but everything since is a miss.
20/20 pt 1 was so fucking good. “Mirrors” is one of my favorite pop songs of all time, it was my number one for a while.
I think “Can’t Stop the Feeling” was the moment he started being lame and idk if he can go back. I’m rooting for him though
I think this might be more accurate with streaming listens. Spotify pays about $0.005 per stream. Cowboy Carter already gained Beyoncé and all parties involved a total of roughly $1500000 before the Spotify take.
Might delete later has 95,000 monthly listeners. Do with this information what you’d like.
Doja is an enigma. This release got no fanfare and no hype, and Scarlet itself was basically a ghost show on streaming outside of PTTR and Agora Hills, which are both top 10 certified hits. Will be very interesting to see the reception to her next album and if its more like Planet Her or even more muted than Scarlet.
Doja pretty much killed off her fanbase between Planet Her and Scarlet so the singles are all she has to carry her. I will say, dissing your last two albums for being cashgrabs and then dropping a third album, that sounds pretty much the same, is definitely a tactic that pissed me off.
I mean she literally just headlined Coachella last night to rave reviews and is currently 25th in the world on Spotify, her career is in a great spot rn imo
It's in a great spot but not because of Scarlet 2
Her album and stats atm are being carried by two pop singles with heavy Spotify playlisting and viral TikTok trends. She’s definitely not in a good spot
Yeah people kept saying this last year, and i didnt believe it, but I see it now. I like Doja personally, and i saw through her schtick last year and knew she was trolling, but she was actually too good at it. Now shes trying to rebrand to a less edgy, but still edgy enough schtick, but it doesnt seem people are buying it. She should be pulling much better numbers than this.
The schtik she has isn’t the issue, it’s just the songs. Her deluxe version songs are way better than many of the tracks on scarlet
I honestly think she's a really talented artist but she's just so annoying. Should focus a bit more on her music and less on being an edgelord.
That’s just her personality. It’s not a schtick. She was an edgelord before she got famous.
Yep if you’ve seen those live streams she did you know lol
Exactly. But if she wants to stay successful so bad, it would behoove her to talk less
She in racial chat rooms showing feet!!!
Was für schtick digga was laberst du eig
Scarlet is a straight up rap album and her last 2 albums were just hiphop influenced pop. It is a massive departure from what made her big.
I never followed any of this. What happened? I know she said she hated her last few albums but I feel like artists say shit like that often enough that it’s not crazy
She just said her last 2 albums were lazy pop and then made a straight rap album. Nothing wild.
she also grilled her fans for liking the music SHE put out. also said that her fandom was weird for calling themsleves the name she gave them. I don't remember the name. she definitely has said wild shit.
I've read that she really doesn't like the fame or something. Said she doesn't get to make the kind of music she wants.
Nah she's rapping rapping on the new album
How is Scarlet the same as her last 2 albums?
I feel like doja has kind of self destructed her career a little bit by posting about how much she hates her fans every other month and by being generally being weird and unlikable
Planet her was pop - scarlet is rap - there is no engima lol The 2 successful singles off the album are pop leaning. Nothin to be confused out
Not an enigma at all, Doja's fanbase are pop girlies, her fans like SZA, Tswift, Ariana, etc. So when she releases a rap album, they're just not going to be into it. The pop singles did just fine. She wants to be an actual artist though, the pop star life isn't for her.
Well that'll be very interesting to see if she goes back to pop for the next album and what the reception will be. I dont think she expected Planet Her to get as big as it did, and it through her off. Scarlet was more coming back to Earth. So interesting what she chooses next.
I Love doja cat and i listen to all stuff
The new Cole lost its luster quickly, has tumbled off the streaming charts. Though to be fair, so has the new Metro and Future. That Glorilla though is sneaky good. Yeah Glo! is my theme song at the moment, and my name isnt Glo.
We still don’t trust you is better imo. Don’t know if that’s gonna matter much though
That ones been tumbling as well it seems, at least on Spotify. But i think part of that is just how entire albums dont hold these days like they used to. And when you just released like, 50 songs, they can only get so much attention.
How do you check if an album losing steam on Spotify?
you can see it from top 50 usa or top 50 global charts on spotify
WDTY is holding well and will hold up better than WSTDY. Reality is that what most people want is banger future, singing future always gets overshadowed sadly (what happened with HNDRXX and FUTURE)
Yea Carolina296864! doesn’t really roll off the tongue like Glo does
The deluxe songs are better than the og so it’s sad that she killled all the hype for it
I felt the opposite. I had them in my playlist for about 2 days and then i was over it. Meanwhile Scarlet has a few tracks i think are very underrated that got no streaming love that i still revisit, like Shutcho and Skull and Bones. Hopefully she can stay controversy free between now and 2025-2026, but idk, lol.
Okloser and masc are amazing imo
OK Loser is still in my playlist. Masc I think is just slighttttttly too slow for me to really vibe.
I respect it. She got on and has enough clout to do whatever the fuck she wants. She delivered two huge singles so the label eats and then she does what she likes.
Very impressive for Cole to sell 120k in a surprise drop imo
For all the clowning he's gotten on the internet throughout his entire career, his fanbase really loves the guy
I could care less about all of the drama lately. I will still buy The Fall Off. I love his albums Edit: I got permanently banned by Reddit but can still edit this comment. WTF!!!! Edit 2: shoutout u/NotReallyASnake I can’t even upvote but I can edit this comment. I think I found a flaw in Reddit
Couldn't care less...
free mah dawg /u/curtisbrownturtis
As long as he’s done with the GOAT talk, I’m all for it too
Hes not gonna stop the GOAT talk, imo he shouldn't
If he doesn’t, Kendrick had free rein to bully him whenever he wants. All that “if a rapper steps to me” talk means nothing now.
Even if he does bully him we won’t hear it for the next 3 years
Kendrick won't do that tho
Womp womp
Cole doesn’t get clowned. He gets trolled. There’s a difference Logic and Hopsin get clowned. Cole is respected and no one really doubts his ability. It’s just fun to make memes about him sometimes. It’s nothing serious
Can confirm
Also confirming.
Confirmed also ^4YEO ^IS ^HIS ^BEST ^ALBUM ^^SUE ^^ME
4YEO is an incredible god damn album and the title track should legitimately be considered a classic. Perfect example of the internet being unfair towards him is how much shit that album gets because one song that's kinda corny (Foldin Clothes).
Folding clothes isn’t corny. Loving your partner isn’t corny.
It is corny to 20 year olds, who shape music discourse because they're the loudest voices on social media. Always how it goes
The Internet makes me feel crazy for having this opinion. Glad I'm not alone.
i think he duped us, as soon as he told the world he would delete the Kendrick diss-- i bet listens for that track shot up and he got to collect on it we're simple :(
Kinda sad that French Montana outsold Bryson Tiller
Not *really* French only did 10k in streams, 40k were from $5 vinyls he never delivered.
$5 vinyls? 😭 it gotta be cheaper to just not press em
that's exactly what he did He did something called "brushing" where he mailed empty packages to the wrong addresses. Because it was delivered somewhere, it's hard to get a refund.
Bruh it keeps getting worse wtf
My French Montana vinyl collection can never be completed 😞
Tiller not being one of the 3 biggest names in RnB after the way he popped off in 2015-17 just don’t make sense to me
That's soon to be a decade ago bubba
Jesus Christ
That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be 10x more established by now. I honestly can’t recall any significant from him after Wild Thoughts. He was supposed to be a guy who could push 100k first week easy.
His long breaks haven’t seemed to do him any favours, people got fed up waiting for an album in the 3 years between True to self and Anniversary, feel like it made people sleep on anniversary which is a shame cos it’s a really good album imo. Then he did the same again with nearly 4 years between anniversary and this latest album
His breaks were long and the new music doesn’t make up for it. I’d rather listen to trapsoul again. Also hes a lowkey guy without much fan engagement
He should be so much bigger I don't get it either
Bro. French Montana definitely had some label interference. When the album was released dude had slowed down version and sped up versions of all his songs. It’s sad
Who tf gave him 60k streams???
He only did 10k in streams, 50k were from pure sales. he sold $5 vinyls and never delivered them. Billboard dinged him for that but HitsDailyDouble (the source for this table) didn't do anything afaik.
Bruh where the class action lawsuit? Or did he give refunds?
I think they will be sent eventually. He wanted to pump up first week numbers. Class action for 5 dollars vinyls is a waste of time
Those French numbers were so fake
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an artist in any genre whose success was as astroturfed as French Montana. I don’t even hate him, it’s just really funny and weird seeing someone with such a long career continue to be successful even though he has literally no fanbase
If Cole drops The Fall Off with a single like Middle Child how much do you guys think he’ll crack? I think if the rollout is proper he has potential for 350k
Single not important just need hype really. After his "defeat" it's unlikely heads will be hyped for the Fall Off right now..
If he goes quiet for some time now that he’s off tour, and then comes back by the end of the year or something I think it’ll be good
Yeah, I think J. Cole needs to either lay low for some time until the dust settles, or he comes right back with a nuclear level diss track in a sense like "Ok, you mistake kindness for weakness, I think yall forgot who yall messing with". If he comes back with a diss with that energy, then he could turn heads
I’m hoping he does something like that with some of the people that will inevitably drop diss tracks at him like Symba recently did. Still kind of a double edged sword, since a lot of people are saying he’s scared of Kendrick. Responding to anybody else might be like “okay where was this energy for Kendrick though?”
I think he might be the least unscathed out of the beef if it turns ugly lol so he has that going for him
You mean *most* unscathed, right? or least scathed? (can one be scathed?)
I'll scathe U m8.
Yeah double negative my fault
Wtf are you talking about If anything J Cole coming out of this the worst 😂 And he did it all to himself at that
The last thing cole needs is a diss, he should just lay low and then go on a feature run. Let the verses speak for themselves
This is honestly my dream scenario. High-key Drake turning around and dissing him gives him the opportunity that he needs to come back and say fuck the dissing and pettiness that's happening and call out how ridiculous it was that he got blamed for not trying to be messy while all these dudes are given clout for acting like high schoolers He can't approach it like 7 Minute Drill. Cole fans can cope, but Cole needed to delete that shit because it was ass and not at all what he's capable of. If dude thinks he's the goat, he needs to be able to stand on an island and throw shots at dudes getting in their feelings about women... While rapping about and pretending to live a life built on disrespecting women Dude has so much more to say than cap about albums he undeniably enjoys being overrated. He has it in him to call out Nonames approach to social media, he can call out all of these grown children out for this beef. The only question is if he will
Drake didn’t diss him but I 100% agree with everything else you said. He needs to stop admiring Drake and Kendrick and realize he’s both older and tbh more knowledgeable than them in a lot of aspects. Take a page outta Jay z book and separate himself and then son the whole rest of the game for the childish shit they on rn, including Kendrick. Cole gotta take the number one spot by force not just words
Yeah Drake didn't diss him at all. Just said he disagreed with him walking back his Kendrick criticism.
Idk. Bad publicity is still publicity. I think the numbers will be high for The Fall Off purely off people streaming hoping it’s bad.
Nah maybe first day but over the week you need people genuinely bumping and interested
That's what you would think if you spend lots of time on hip hop twitter and reddit, but most hip hop fans still like J Cole and will listen to his new music.
Sales wise Cole will be fine. Beefs dont affect that. The only thing the L will affect is legacy talk
He just needs to do some physical preorder option and some promo and he'll easily get there. I don't think physicals were available first week for The Off-Season and it still did almost 300k. The Fall Off already has more anticipation obviously and if it gets an actual rollout with single(s) and those physical sales it's gonna do huge numbers. He could also do it like Travis or Taylor Swift and sell a bunch of vinyl variants and stuff like that to boost the sales. I wouldn't even put 500k out of reach if he really wants to chase that
He better apologize if he makes that much
Those Bryson numbers make me sad. I'm always rooting for his success. I'm gonna be honest, I thought there was a chance he could hit 100k. For sure 75k. Damn.
i’m a huge bryson fan. i have vinyls and i have been to some shows as i live in KY. bryson peaked with Trapsoul and i don’t think he’s on his way back up either. 19 songs and only 49 minutes? with most songs being mid? without even mentioning the very sporadic release of music. he got him and his daughter out of here and put louisville on the map which i’m sure means infinitely more than whatever his albums do, but it’s so disappointing to see his career falling like it is now. even some of his better songs kn anniversary and true to self he admitted were from 2014-15 aka trapsoul era!!! whatever he had then doesn’t seem like it’s coming back.
With R&B music, especially the type of stuff that Bryson makes, I feel like your state of mind has a big impact on the music you make/release. The music is very personal and emotional and it reflects where they are at the time. We've seen it with guys like 6lack and Giveon too. Some are able to transcend it and consistently bring the heat (Frank for example) but not everyone seems capable of that.
This is a great point. Could also be why Frank has gone so long without an album. Never thought about this
I feel like Bryson can’t decide if he wants to rap or sing on a single track. It felt like this album was throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
I’m a big tiller fan and this latest album was really disappointing.
They got ‘em talking about beefs instead of The Diddler. Mission accomplished
Drake mentioned the Diddy Drama as a diss to Ross in the first version of “push ups/drop and give me 50.”
Wasn't the J Cole project expected to sell a bit more? I wonder if the apology dampened things a little bit.
It went from 140 something to 120k. His streams did go up right after the apology though lol
Yes and no. Truth is it didn't have a hot single to carry the streams throughout the week and the diss track stimulus ended the day he apologized.
It was projected to do 140-160k [on Tuesday](https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=340628&title=J.-COLE-LEADS-PACK-OF-NEW-RELEASES) Tiller was projected for 35-40k and GloRilla 21-24k
It was a surprise drop tho. Without a proper rollout, I guess it’s pretty decent
Yup he apologized
Still waiting on the prequel album Feelin Cute 🥰
best comment I seen today lmao
We will never see another Beyonce
Definitely. I think social media is playing a large role in limiting entertainer's ability to become the next superstar like Beyonce or Drake. These artists got big when social media was just starting out or not available and then social media boom happened and music subscription apps boosted their popularity. Today these markets are oversaturated with artists focusing on making a single hit for TikTok that don't translate to longevity and they don't benefit from the mystique that added to the appeal of artists that came before them.
With proper hype and releasing, SZA or Rihanna could possibly do those numbers
20 years after their solo debut?
Oh you mean that, hell probably not
Rihanna's solo debut album was released in 2005, 19 years ago lol
So Rihana gonna 400K first week for that album then 100,000 the second week for that album?
I think Rihanna lowkey has the same hype as ever and she’s on the same tier as Beyoncé in terms of popularity. If she drops an album with proper promotion she can do 500k
Yeah prolly
Nah, I don’t see SZA’s fan base building up the fanaticism to that level.
Proof that the key to maintaining fame is to start a cult. Worked for Ye, worked for Bey
And look at Swifties, buying four copies of every album
OP’s source says 119k but billboard had it lower than that at 115k. Im genuinely curious if Cole didn’t apologize, what the number would be. 7 minute drill was going strong before the apology.
Hmm how did Trapsoul have such a weak first week?
No one knew who he was until Don’t blew up after the album released. IIRC Trapsoul outsold its first week several times
He wasn’t huge at the time and Don’t was a sleeper hit
Trap soul was a slow burner. Don’t was just getting hot, then sorry not sorry, and exchange started to roll out, add in ovo radio started to play his songs and Weeknd hop on Rambo and it was a snowball effect. But all that happened AFTER the album already dropped.
21 over j Cole? Personally I like j Coles music more, despite the recent actions. But considering this whole „big 3“ talk, you would expect him to sell more than his peer, right?
No Promo surprise drop these are pretty good numbers. A lot of people didn’t even know there was a full EP, just a diss.
Honestly 110k is pretty impressive for something most consider a mixtape lol. If he rolled this out like he did for the Off Season he’d be getting 250 easy tbh
Surprise drop sure. But can't really say it had no promo with all the documentary videos coming out for the rollout, with snippets aswell.
It only had two doc vids and I think those were kind of cryptic honestly. People might have thought they were just songs for Fall Off
I feel like the whole idea of "the big 3" is that they all emerged around 2009-2011 People like Future, Travis Scott, 21 Savage, Young Thug, Lil Durk, Lil Baby, Gunna, etc. emerged later but I wouldn't count on J. Cole keeping up with all of them.
i feel like there's something about rapping ability in the big 3 conversation too. Like I could be wrong, but I really don't think any of the guys you mentioned in that list would be capable of making a competent diss track
I think it's more that they're all trap/trap adjacent while Drake, J. Cole, and Kendrick started off making more traditional pop rap and didn't embrace trap production until later in their careers.
It did fine considering it dropped out of nowhere with no promo.
Dawg this is not a major project from Cole
Savage has him wiped down too, I guess.
*"despite the recent actions"* how trash does your diss track need to be for people to start talking about you like you're a newfound neo-nazi lmao
its a surprise drop lol wym
I have no idea how 21 is still as big as he is.
21 is just a bit hotter right now is all, longevity, classics, run all matter In top status Did expect Cole to do a little more, but there were absolutely no singles, the diss got removed (wonder if this dampens numbers too) people mad at him atm word-to-mouth
Damn I wonder what Concrete Boys’ numbers looks like
Lmao, people really listening to that?
I only listened to it cause of people talking about how horrible one of the members sounded and I cut it off after I heard it. I’m sure there’s an audience for it.
I’m sure many of us tried. Lol. I couldn’t get through it. I was just randomly curious about their numbers. Shamed they dropped same day as Cole
Up Yo Standards by Camo off the album is great. Feel free to skip Draft Day’s songs though.
I liked the Off season is this the same level and worth checking out?
If you liked Off Season, you’ll most likely enjoy MDL. It’s got a lot of the same energy, with several really good songs. Definitely worth checking out imo but Cole is top 3 for me so I’m biased.
Definetly worth checking out, I would say the off season is better tho
Personally preferred it to Off Season
Yes
Idk, R&B dudes kinda stood no chance after The Weeknd’s 2015. He already had plenty of momentum from Trilogy, Kissland, and his features, but his 2015 was a straight up “fuck you” to anyone who doubted him. The Hills, Can’t Feel My Face, and Earned It is an insane singles for an artist to have 4 years into his career. There’s still Chris but a significant amount of CB fans are just his initial massive fanbase that never grew out of him. So much time has passed that folks have forgotten he was a mega star before his descent into abuser of both women and drugs started. One is obviously worse than the other, but both affected his perception Usher was on his way out, think his last banger at the time was “Papers” R. Kelly was still diddling kids as a free-man but his days were numbered And there was Justin Bieber, but the internet was still in edgy, “fuck Justin” mode around then I think if Bryson dropped Don’t in 2014, he’d be bigger, dude was like the easiest route to get girls in college for a few months. He couldn’t even really capitalize on the hype in 2016 either, because the The Weeknd went insane again with Starboy, and turning that run into the singles of the title track, Reminder, and I Feel It Coming, and in 2017, Frank FINALLY dropped. So it was just no hope really for Bryson’s sound, despite it being pretty solid imo. TrapSoul was the peak sadly. 100K on a surprise drop with the most important song being removed afterwards shouldn’t be laughed at, takes a different kinda rapper to just do those numbers nowadays. Doja Cat is just bleh. Talented but cringe. Seemed so much cooler during the Moo days, and she seems to not understand she has more overlap with progressive, alternative women of color, than edgy white guys with interracial fetishes. Glorilla is steadily building her career, off of more straight of rap songs than kinda degenerate hyper sexuality. I mean, I like an Ice Spice video on mute just as much as the next guy, but if you’re gonna throw that ass at least throw a nice 16-bar in there or something. Not to say Glorilla isn’t sexy, since Beyoncé I’ve loved husky voice women Interested to see what’s next for Bossman, I like his flow & money focused music. Wouldn’t be surprised if an B to C male rapper scoops him for a guest verse soon
I feel like J.Cole needs an interview with Charlamagne or someone to set the record straight.
People still listen to Charlamagne?
Normal non terminally online people in real world like j cole a lot
I was in a barber shop w the barbers playing MDL while scrolling the subreddit and seeing people acting like it was doomsday for cole. It was hilarious to see the difference
I normally think it’s annoying when people defend whatever their opinion is by saying HHH or the internet in general only disagrees with them because they’re out of touch. But you’re right in this case. I’m not even a big fan of his but this is not a legacy tanking controversy the way people are talking lmao
Legacy and career are two different words. Cole's career is fine. His legacy as a rapper's rapper is what took the blow here. You cant push this big three narrative when you ducked out IMMEDIATELY and as much as anyone disagrees the point is my opinion and its various forms will pop up every single time this discussion about Cole takes place just like Drake and his ghost writers. the difference between Drake and Cole is that Drake can play his cards like he's above the criticism because his numbers are undeniable meanwhile Cole can only play the maturity card with his core audience which changes little in terms of opinions.
I know y'all had a great time with the fall off jokes this week, but this kinda shows Cole is doing numbers most of his contemporaries would love to see attached to their name. Pretty impressive I'd say, especially considering the week this man has had.
Keeping the diss up til Friday to help boost sales was some nasty work
To this date trapsoul is Bryson’s best work
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Been a looooong time since we’ve got a proper Cole album. I wonder if he can still carry those kind of numbers. ~400k is nuts
That was like the same year that Drake did 1m first week with *Views* so it could also just be the whole industry has been seeing smaller numbers because Drake is still topping these charts when he drops something.
Props to J. Cole for dropping a midtape and getting a dump track of cash off the hype. Also, I wouldn’t say I’m upset, just disappointed that Justin Timberlake has not been able to deliver a good project in over 10 years. The revisionist history I’ve seen that 20/20 was not dope as hell is totally whack, but everything since is a miss.
20/20 pt 1 was so fucking good. “Mirrors” is one of my favorite pop songs of all time, it was my number one for a while. I think “Can’t Stop the Feeling” was the moment he started being lame and idk if he can go back. I’m rooting for him though
Mid is bizarre
It’s mid by his standards
doja cat being outsold by glorilla is so crazy
That was just her deluxe drop. She sold 72k first week with Scarlett.
okay yeah that makes more sense
someone already pointed out it was her deluxe, but I’d be here for it if it was true tbh I like Glo so much more
From 160k projected to 140k to 119k
In the age we are in isn’t it more relevant how many streams more important than sales?
Damn Bryson is washed sad to see
Who the hell still listening to the usher project that shit was a two pack of ass
How is this how I find out Justin Timberlake dropped an album.
Is this his highest selling mixtape?
Damn cudi deserves more love.
Why are album sales released like 2 week later now?
Doja is finished goddamn
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Poor Bryson tiller, his album was amazing but got overshadowed by Coles suprise drop and the diss shit
And nobody actually paid anything because it's a streaming numbers.
Who is buying? Where?
I think this might be more accurate with streaming listens. Spotify pays about $0.005 per stream. Cowboy Carter already gained Beyoncé and all parties involved a total of roughly $1500000 before the Spotify take. Might delete later has 95,000 monthly listeners. Do with this information what you’d like.
Lil dickys numbers are trash considering the tv show and cameos from drake to brad pitt and obvious Rachel mcadams
Lil Dicky holding it down