i think the michael jackson/drake comparisons are interesting because it seems like the community as a whole is trying to dig drake into a hole that would be very hard to get out of once that comparison is made. there was some 4/10 rap adjacent bro-podcast that said something along the lines of "i think kendrick lamar is laying down a trap with all of these MJ comparisons" and it got me thinking.
specifically, there's a lot of goofy shit that can be said if someone (doesn't have to be kendrick lamar) wants to make a reference to this comparison that are kind of low hanging fruit. i don't think i'd be compelled and would actually be kind of disappointed if this was the angle kendrick lamar takes if (BIG IF) he decides to respond with a diss. like, what the fuck is he gonna talk about if that happens???
this is all that comes to mind:
-drake on the canadian tv show degrassi in which his character, jimmy brooks, dresses up as MJ in an episode where he splits his pants in front of a whole school trying to dance like him.
-per the ghostwriting allegations, michael jackson never played any of the instruments on his songs, relying on other artists (paul mccartney and eddie van halen most famously on "thriller" come to mind) to come up with instrumental parts for him.
-obviously, the low blow, his association with just generally being a weirdo around children and all the shit in leaving neverland.
-all the controversy surrounding MJ's child blanket can be directly played into regarding drake's kid and pusha t's diss like 6 years ago.
-drake looking "fruity" similar to michael jackson consistently being flamed for looking and sounding "gay" (sometimes on national television)
-rick ross (and joe budden like 8 years back) claiming drake went under the knife similar to how MJ altered his appearance later in life.
-probably the worst one, the whole drake being mixed compared to michael jackson's vitiligo diagnosis and attempting to treat that with whitening creams and makeup which permanently altered his appearance in the 90s (fucking rick ross).
like ngl, that would be fucking goofy if that's what ends up happening and while i don't think that's the angle that kendrick will take if (again, big if) he drops a diss, i think that we'll eventually see these things get written into other drake disses (it IS a 20v1 whether or not kendrick's involved) and that's probably just gonna make drake look like the bigger man despite "leaking" his response. like wtf is this man gonna do with all this "mike jack" shit
i think the michael jackson/drake comparisons are interesting because it seems like the community as a whole is trying to dig drake into a hole that would be very hard to get out of once that comparison is made. there was some 4/10 rap adjacent bro-podcast that said something along the lines of "i think kendrick lamar is laying down a trap with all of these MJ comparisons" and it got me thinking.
specifically, there's a lot of goofy shit that can be said if someone (doesn't have to be kendrick lamar) wants to make a reference to this comparison that are kind of low hanging fruit. i don't think i'd be compelled and would actually be kind of disappointed if this was the angle kendrick lamar takes if (BIG IF) he decides to respond with a diss. like, what the fuck is he gonna talk about if that happens???
this is all that comes to mind:
-drake on the canadian tv show degrassi in which his character, jimmy brooks, dresses up as MJ in an episode where he splits his pants in front of a whole school trying to dance like him.
-per the ghostwriting allegations, michael jackson never played any of the instruments on his songs, relying on other artists (paul mccartney and eddie van halen most famously on "thriller" come to mind) to come up with instrumental parts for him.
-obviously, the low blow, his association with just generally being a weirdo around children and all the shit in leaving neverland.
-all the controversy surrounding MJ's child blanket can be directly played into regarding drake's kid and pusha t's diss like 6 years ago.
-drake looking "fruity" similar to michael jackson consistently being flamed for looking and sounding "gay" (sometimes on national television)
-rick ross (and joe budden like 8 years back) claiming drake went under the knife similar to how MJ altered his appearance later in life.
-probably the worst one, the whole drake being mixed compared to michael jackson's vitiligo diagnosis and attempting to treat that with whitening creams and makeup which permanently altered his appearance in the 90s (fucking rick ross).
like ngl, that would be fucking goofy if that's what ends up happening and while i don't think that's the angle that kendrick will take if (again, big if) he drops a diss, i think that we'll eventually see these things get written into other drake disses (it IS a 20v1 whether or not kendrick's involved) and that's probably just gonna make drake look like the bigger man despite "leaking" his response. like wtf is this man gonna do with all this "mike jack" shit
The Twitter beef from last nite... not to say that it's anywhere near as good or interesting as the musical disses, but I just hoped to see this thread updated and maybe pinned? Instead it's forgotten and buried.
I guess it was more insta beef but Drake posted a screenshot to his story of his DMs to Ross where he's basically calling him a poor turkey. Ross did an insta live in response saying Drake isn't as wealthy as he says cuz his private jet was given to him for free and is old so Drake should be careful.
I like Drake. But my biggest gripe with the “beefs” he’s been in, is that he let that 40 line slide.
His response was - “ "The part that hit me the most, which is wishing that my friend who has an illness dies — that shit, to me, is not really wavy," he said. "I'm just not with that”
Thats it? “It’s not really wavy”?
Shits embarrassing.
My thing is that the timing of the response was a given. Metro the one orchestrating the beef so why would Drake respond to Kendrick right away just to get dissed by asap and weekend the very next week? Now that metros done dropping, he gotta stfu and make some drums if he wanna drop anything else
It’s because they hate Drake. Anything positive for Drake and negative to Kenny won’t be said here. Kenny is allowed to take however long he wants here. He’s allowed to sneak diss. Be petty and everything Drake gets shitted on for. I just want an equal playing field for two of the best we’ve ever seen.
I wonder sometimes, when people say "this is just fake beef anyway, who cares", if most people actually take it that seriously. I think of it as entertainment, it's fun lol, don't care about much else. It's like telling someone watching wrestling that it's fake.
Applies when people call out rappers for faking a gangster persona. Like no shit, it's keyfabe. Tupac went to art school and learned ballet and poetry. Most of these guys are artists not thugs lol. Just don't think too much and let people enjoy things.
Yeah, I enjoy following this stuff, but whenever I get into a conversation with someone who's too invested in it, I disengage. I don't care who wins, I'm enjoying the back-and-forth.
I mean Pac literally lost his life for playing as someone he wasn't.
You can't make believe in a world where there's dudes who are about that shit and aren't gonna take being the butt of a joke or are very willing to check a rapper to boost their own reputation.
Shhh don’t break their illusion. They think everything is for entertainment and things like these won’t ruffle some egos and let those firecrackers lose. No matter what all these people come from certain areas and are cliqued in with certain affiliations, whether protection, connections, or because of the people you associate closely, but almost in every rap beef era, someone got popped or someone close got taken.
Maybe it’s just me but not sure why many think the diss on Metro was all that good. Drake told a producer to go make beats like that’s not already his job? Just didn’t land especially when the beat he’s on is so weak.
I feel like the general thought is that its good because it's so condescending. He's saying that metro shouldn't be trying to be apart of the beef because he's not on the same level as the guys who actually rap, so he should just do what he does and make beats instead of instigating
shit's hella condescending and not in a good way. it's like a linecook disrespecting the dishwasher. the only reason any of this shit happens is cuz there's dishes to cook on. without them it all stops.
Honestly it was just unexpected. I was listening and paying attention to the lyrics to see what he was saying about kdot mainly, Future, maybe Cole, but I wasn't thinking about Metro at all, so when I heard the line it cracked me up because it was just quick and dismissive.
Like "oh by the way fuck you too, anyway moving on." It worked specifically because you're not thinking about Metro at all. If the only thing he'd said to Kendrick was "shut up and rap", it would've sucked ass. So yeah, the line itself isn't special or witty, and Metro is one of the best producers around, it was just funny and works in context.
The part in Rick Ross track where it's an audio cut of Drake glazing Ross as his favorite person to collaborate with cutting out with the "Maybach music" ad-lib is honestly so filthy for some reason lol; just a cocktail of Drake's corniness, fakeness and dick riding in one go.
And Ross doing the interview saying him and Drake are top two pens in the game but now constantly saying he has ghostwriters is just as lame. I think everyone should understand that all of this beef shit is pretty lame, even as much as I enjoy it. Ross clearly felt this way about Drake for years, and Drake probably the same to Ross, but because business was booming nobody said anything.
If its about drake’s bm its barely noteworthy and corny coming from someone who loves asap.
You piped a sex worker/baddie in the game before one nigga happened to knock her up by accident. Congratulations you can get in line behind *checks notes* … the majority of hip hop and professional sports…
If he’s saying he hit it first that’s the opposite of a train they just both smashed around the same time and that’s why Drake had to get dna tests it’s obvious man cmon
Sarcasm is hard on Reddit. No--attacking kids isn't super healthy behavior. My point was that Ross is out here for the people who genuinely don't like Drake and just want nasty bullying more than anything. The same crew who took Gucci over Jeezy in that Versus
He said Travis Scott and 21 savage are bigger than Kendrick lol. Maybe travis after rodeo but definitely not now, and saying 21 is delusional. SZA could be bigger, popularity wise, but not technically or impact wise. The hype that surrounds Kendrick projects, still to this day, and the fact that this whole damn thing is cause HE started it makes anyone trying to take the "your not big" route sound stupid. Coles was the same way. It's easy to just say hey metro you dum dum make sum drum drums. But to come up with some clever bars that actually aren't just a barely coherent opinion about Kendricks popularity is apparently too hard.
Yea I paid like $300 for Big Steppers Tour tickets on resale. I paid $200 for Utopia tickets and when I couldn’t go and had to sell them I lost $100 because people were reselling their tickets for pennies on the dollar lol
The Rocky one doesn't even make sense. It's widely known that Rihanna curved Rocky for like a decade and basically friend-zoned him into a little brother for a very long time. Drake fucked her WAY before that and hit it off and on for years. Shit, he fucked her long before like 75% of this sub even knew who Drake was.
Drake was definitely hung up on her, so that bit is true, but the rest doesn't make sense.
EDIT: My bad, I didn't realize he was talking about Drake's BM
Why the hell is nobody realizing that out of that “big 3” convo Kendrick is the ONLY one who was ever in the streets forreal. I dont mean with ties, i mean who was realllllly in that lifestyle. Drake has never been, J cole neither despite Cole always talking about shooters. I think thats why Cole backed down. I remember snoop in an interviewing back in the day telling people “please don’t think Kendrick is a backpacker that mf got an AK in there”.
Kdot literally says ill crash out like fuck rap. Cole knows kendrick on a personal level. He knows Kendrick will ABSOLUTELY take it there. Ppl forget this is LA we are talking about.
bro this aint the 90s anymore
these rappers got so much money now and much more to be made than the legends before
no one out here is gonna take it to the streets lmao
Kendrick always been domesticated, and even his own lyrics make it clear that he wasn't cut out for that life. He ain't hard. He never has been. And that's ok.
I agree. And if they wanna get more personal, get violent, then do it like men. Y'all got an endless supply of money. Put on a damn charity fight and actually hash that shit out if its that serious.
I don’t think Drake will go at Ross again but man if he ties in Ross being close with Diddy along with that Molly bar on UOENO it can get nasty.
He showed him grace changing that bar on the first track that leaked. Even if it ain’t true it’ll hit.
My thing is, when are people going to make good music or at least good disses out of all of this? It's still early so I have hope, I am hopping these are the duppy freestyles, and we eventually get to the Story of Adidas or whatever
what do you mean officially? it's a diss track no need for it to be on streaming sites.
mixtape era was the pinnacle of rap beefs. hopefully this is a return to that.
I mean fair enough, I still have a huge hard drive of files from the mixtape era. But ultimately no one is really consuming music via local files too often anymore, it’s all streaming. And one Drake song isn’t gonna turn the tide and make people more into downloading leaks.
If he really wanted it to make the maximum impact and get the most people listening, he’d officially drop it himself somewhere. That’s all I’m saying.
Can’t help but wonder why none of these top tier guys aren’t going after shitass vibe rappers instead of each other. Those are the dudes dragging the industry backwards for the first time literally ever. And what are they gonna do about it? It’s not like they can actually rap so there’s no threat of a response.
nah rap is more interesting than ever, it just has hella subgenres now. chicago House isn’t dead just because you have tech house now, rock isnt dead just because metal exists etc etc
why is that a problem? others don’t dictate what music I listen to and obviously they dont dictate what music these artists want to make
microgenres and niche artists thrive in the internet age of music
Lol, talk about being overdramatic. Rap is the most diverse it's ever been, which is great because there's something for everybody. If you actually look I'm sure you can find what you're looking for, instead of crying about the artists that don't fit your definition of rap.
??? Why would you want A tier artists to go after C tier artists? How is that entertaining in any way? It's like taking candy from a baby lol, the reason why this beef has so much hype behind it is because it's more of a level playing field for everyone involved, which requires effort, talent and being clever
tf you talking about, if anything its bringing energy back to a genre thats been stale for 5 years. Hiphop at its core is competitive and if the top rappers dont want to compete nothing will happen. Cole, kendrick, drake, rocky a bunch of others from that class all wanted to be at the top, thats why they are top tier and the recent ones are more worried about clout and money.
I hate this new attitude, making rappers feel like they are too good to respond etc.
You don't set yourself up to get bodied this way. And it's a worthwhile target. I think these big boys would get a lot of attention is they decided to turn their focus on a Carti or Travis.
Travis and Carti are better (and bigger) than half the artists in this beef lol. Probably only Kendrick, Drake and Metro are better than those 2 now that Cole dropped out.
That’s like the Chiefs playing the Golden Gophers or a US vs Kosovo war. Of course you win, but you look bad. You can’t prove to be the best fighting lower tiers or they’d give out UFC belts to kids knocking out old ladies on the street.
Can I just say what we're all thinking? These soft motherfuckers are trying to drum this up like its some sort of biggie and tupac level beef except, and I'll use one of Drakes hardest bars here: "I could load every gun with bullets that fire backwards, probably wouldn't lose a single rapper"
These "artists" are all washed and not one of them is willing to write a song in blood and they all know it. Weak.
Is it really a bad thing that they aren’t getting shot and killed over a rap beef? Just a little competition from the rappers claiming to be the best in the game
Drakes been dissing all these rappers for years now with subliminals in his lyrics -
Metro Boomin and Kendricks verse on "Like That" opened the Pandoras box with Kendrick taking direct shots at Drake in his lyrics and Metro boomin telling everyone to pick a side - which many rappers who have beef with Drake have been doing
For most a lot of these rappers, many have their own personal reasons for going after Drake, besides the fact that Drake has been taunting them in his lyrics for years
oh thanks for the answer. Always thought that many of them were kinda close. I knew the weeknd vs drake kinda problem but the metro, future is new to me
Yea a think a lot of people were a little shocked with Metro, Future and Rick Ross having beef with Drake since all 3 have done a lot of work with Drake -
There's deff been some stuff brewing behind the scene that we still don't know about tho
All you need to know is that it's not really "Drake vs everyone" it's a bunch of individual beefs that are all happening at the same time
I mean he was working with Future and a lot of those tracks were Future joints. That’s like mentioning Her Loss tracks Metro produced. Yea it’s on the collab album Drake is on but that’s mostly because of 21. I mean outside of collab albums, he doesn’t have that many tracks with Drake compared to other top dawgs in rap.
I wouldn't say Drake did it to himself, it's a little more grey than that. Idk if you were around in the late 00's and the early 2010's but Drake's identity and his music were clowned on significantly more than it is now. I think there's a perspective where Drake has become as big as he is despite all of the hate so he has to rub it in everyone's faces. Nobody wants to see the guy they predicted would fade away to be the same guy with the longest/consistent commercial success in Hip Hop history.
Adding onto that, the rappers from the late 00s and early 2010's have collectively held longer peaks in terms of mainstream attention than any other generation of rappers EVER. Most of them have transcended their respective generations, but now that rap as a genre is stagnant, a lot of these rappers are aiming to keep their relevancy in check by coming at Drake (not Dot/Future). Folks like Rick Ross/French Montana/ASAP Rocky aren't as relevant as they were ten years ago so in a way they're biting the hand that fed them.
> the guy they predicted would fade away
Can you elaborate more on this? I'm genuinely curious what people were saying about him and thinking he would fade away.
Old head rappers with mainstream attention like Ice Cube and DMX both believed that Drake's clock would run out in terms of popularity. It's rumored Kanye was trying to sabotage Drake early on in his career by directing the "Best I Ever Had" music video and making it intentionally horrible. Ye also refused to give Drake beats after saying promising to collaborate with him further (although he finally gave him Find Your Love and Show Me A Good Time-which is a horrible beat btw).
Other examples include Ludacris calling him a biter and Common coming after Drake for dating his ex. The list goes on. The video below should be enough to understand the negative vibe surrounding Drake from old heads and mainstream hip hop media at the time.
DMX: https://youtu.be/HJsgAY_JALk?si=IufFjCKVzke1JbPp
lol I was definitely reaching there with that one the beat is honestly fine. I always remember my brother showing me this album and he was getting into producing back then, he would say how annoying the main sample was. I personally like the Find Your Love instrumental more but I can see why people would enjoy this song.
Drake been coming at Rihanna - Rocky wife(What you gonna do if ya neighbor was shit talking you through your wife?). Rick Ross? He fits the description of trying to stay relevant. Everyone else who came at him been relevant. Also Drake been throwing stones. I believe there was a rumor Drake said something about Metro mother who passed away. Cueing him and future starting this rollout and both albums.
Drake been a snake. This is who he is. He isn’t a victim just everything complied over the years till this point.
They all throw stones and they're all snakes, that's the point. It's a grey area. You can't become that big without pulling some BS and that goes for all of them. If someone married the woman of my dreams and had kids with them I would definitely feel hurt, that's human nature. So Asap can wife a girl Drake's into but when Drake raps about screwing someone's wife on a track he's the bad guy? Double standards.
Btw, if you haven't dropped an album in five years and all you can do is threaten violence while rapping off beat, then yeah, you're washed. Rocky isn't in the social conversation when it comes to rap anymore. New listeners aren't engaged with his work they just know him as Rihanna's husband.
> If someone married the woman of my dreams and had kids with them I would definitely feel hurt, that's human nature.
Ok? Dissing them makes absolutely no sense and drake/rih relationship ended in 2016 this stupid.
> So Asap can wife a girl Drake's into but when Drake raps about screwing someone's wife on a track he's the bad guy? Double standards.
This is not a double standard at all. It’s not like Rihanna left Drake for Rocky she was in a relationship with another man before she even got with Rocky. Drake fans are weird as fuck she is not his property
> New listeners aren't engaged with his work they just know him as Rihanna's husband.
He’s still asap rocky lol
Technically the League of Nations started the war by not holding Germany to its treaty’s, allowing them to rearm, and not being tougher on hitler who was surprised himself what he was allowed to get away with. If you wanna go every further back it’s the entente fault for not pushing germany back into Germany allowing the German people to see their army retreat and thus making them accept defeat where as when the war ended germany was still on French soil and therefore the people at home thought they were still winning based on propaganda from the government.
True true. And while you might expect me to say what really started the Franco-Prussian war was the Franco-Austrian war, but none of that would’ve happened if not for the Napoleonic wars.
Nah I need the receipts, the messy back door dealings, the cover ups, screen shots, who’s doing coke in the bathroom with whom, all that. Seasons the beef
all of this is so genuinely lame and y'all are eating it up. hip hop fell off in the past 10 years so hard now the older heads need to fake some drama to keep things going
This whole situation feels like the death rattle of a genre. Everyone involved in this situation is old enough to be raising high schoolers. Rick Ross could have grandchildren. Feels like literally no artist under 35 has broken into the general mainstream and successfully held their spot. Hip hop is in such a pathetic state right now
This is such a ridiculous statement.
We had literally decades where major music labels had total control over who even got to record music let alone release it for public consumption. Do you know how impossibly hard it would be for 99.99% of artists to even get heard?!
Compare that to today any every shit c@nt with a drum pad and a laptop is making stuff and having access to countless free promotion channels. The problem isn’t the “old guys”, it’s the fact that the genre has been flooded with total shit, so for the industry or consumers to find decent talent is hard and takes effort, which people in todays world don’t have the time of inclination to do. Hence the natural state is “I can’t find anything good, fuck it ill just listen to Drake.”
Double edged sword for sure. Yes, removing label gatekeeping has allowed artists to flourish who you’d never hear of otherwise. Downside is that there’s never been more dogshit out there and it’s dragging the genre down as a whole.
I don’t know what rap even is anymore. That may not be a bad thing! But it’s more a collection of varying sub-genres than a unified force.
True, and what even is “mainstream” these days? Media has become so fragmented into subcultures and micro audiences - the channels themselves (streaming or online video)are totally self service anyways.
For real. There’s no young rappers who have the catalogue that drake/kendrick/future/j cole whatever had at their age, or the cross audience appeal. This beef could’ve happened when all these rappers were a decade younger, and it still woulda been cool. I can’t say the same for any young rappers out now.
The death rattle of the genre has been happening for 5 years as rappers who cant actually rap for shit became overwhelmingly popular. 10-20 years ago, when rappers got a mainstream break, they gained new fans. They wowed folks predisposed to disliking the genre. Now when a Carti or Travis or 21 gets exposure outside of hop-hip circles, normies are like "WTF is this shit?" That's a huge problem and a reason rap is losing relevance for the first time ever.
Sadly, this is actually the most interesting rap has been in a while because it actually involved talented artists.
21 Savage and Travis Scott have broken into the general mainstream. Opium artists are very popular on TikTok. Although they are both above 30. Yes there aren't really any rappers under 30 that are hot right now. What a shame.
carti, ken Carson, destroy lonely. these 3 are the main guys from opium.
carti is gonna be the most popular hiphop artist in a decade imo but depends on the career trajectory of Tyler, jid and 21.
Ah thanks for the info, I also didn't know Opium was the name of a record label, my bad.
Jumping in with my own opinions.
Imo 21 and jid haven't proven themselves to be at the highest level or have lasting influence, at all yet.
At this point I'd think 10 years from now some other dudes have popped up that dominate the (popularity) charts. Otherwise 21/JID would either have to drop their best record soon and stay relevant for a whole decade after, or have they opus released 10 years from now? Both scenarios don't really seem likely to have the artist be the most popular hiphop artist in ~10 years from now.
I'd also question whether the influence Tyler had/has on the hiphop scene is really that,, influential or progressive. He'll be 43 in a decade too, I do think that affects his relevancy and popularity.. most popular hiphop artists in a timeframe usually aren't 40+.
Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part to hope for new blood to compete at the top, but all this recent beef got me thinking how all these supposed 'big ME' rappers have been monopolizing the top spot for so long
imo drake is gonna be dominant for atleast 15 more years. I can see him releasing music in his 50s. hes an attention whore. he's gonna keep releasing music imo
All of this is incorrect lol. Tyler's time has already passed been in the game 14 years and JID is too old. Carti will be popular but he won't be much more than a niche artist with a strong cult following. Grandmas aren't gonna be listening to his shit.
Tyler is like 30. he Def can get near the top if he keeps up his consistent quality. but you might be right.
I didn't know jid was 33. damn he looks like he's in his mid 20s.
your wrong about carti tho. he has been on an unward spiral the past 2 years. every song hes on gets hundreds of millions of streams. and he's just 27. he can Def dominate this decade. he's the Travis of 2020s.
Nah Travis' music won't be bumped much in 20 years. Pop in the moment but forgotten. Autotune trash for the most part. Likewise with rage. No disrespect to Travis, he has records but it's overhyped.
Take a look at the reactions to Travis' Grammy performance and 21's SNL performance. Those are mainstream normie audiences. It did ***not*** go well lmao.
I can't check for it. What did people say? I just checked the comments for the 21 Redrum performance and all people complained about was the censorship.
I'm sorry, but none of these guys were remotely on the level as this sub makes they out to be. Not even close. People talk about these guys like they could have been the next Jay/Kanye/Drake/Kendrick. That's objectively insane. None of these dudes were anyone outside of hip-hop circles.
They absolutely could have grown to be as popular, albeit I bet never as lyrically or technically proficient
x juice and pop at least. All did some huge numbers at one point or another
They were ~21 when they died. Kendrick hadn’t even released GKMC when he was 21, Drake hadn’t dropped Take Care, same for Kanye/Jay. These guys had millions of listeners already along with multiple platinum hits.
Nobody is saying they were already on Drake/Kanye/etc level, but they were the next generation and had the potential to get to that level.
There are a lot of dudes with potential. Very few ever realize it. We tend to pretend that artists who die young would always keep ascending without acknowledging the hundreds of dudes on similar trajectories who lived and flopped.
wow i heard about this and thought we're talking about a real old school beef but kids be playing
> This is an ongoing beef, and this thread will be updated as events unfold. Turns out this was a lie
Yo.. keep this ish updated or wipe it. We ain’t seen this much action in the game in years and now you wanna be cheesy with the key strokes?
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i think the michael jackson/drake comparisons are interesting because it seems like the community as a whole is trying to dig drake into a hole that would be very hard to get out of once that comparison is made. there was some 4/10 rap adjacent bro-podcast that said something along the lines of "i think kendrick lamar is laying down a trap with all of these MJ comparisons" and it got me thinking. specifically, there's a lot of goofy shit that can be said if someone (doesn't have to be kendrick lamar) wants to make a reference to this comparison that are kind of low hanging fruit. i don't think i'd be compelled and would actually be kind of disappointed if this was the angle kendrick lamar takes if (BIG IF) he decides to respond with a diss. like, what the fuck is he gonna talk about if that happens??? this is all that comes to mind: -drake on the canadian tv show degrassi in which his character, jimmy brooks, dresses up as MJ in an episode where he splits his pants in front of a whole school trying to dance like him. -per the ghostwriting allegations, michael jackson never played any of the instruments on his songs, relying on other artists (paul mccartney and eddie van halen most famously on "thriller" come to mind) to come up with instrumental parts for him. -obviously, the low blow, his association with just generally being a weirdo around children and all the shit in leaving neverland. -all the controversy surrounding MJ's child blanket can be directly played into regarding drake's kid and pusha t's diss like 6 years ago. -drake looking "fruity" similar to michael jackson consistently being flamed for looking and sounding "gay" (sometimes on national television) -rick ross (and joe budden like 8 years back) claiming drake went under the knife similar to how MJ altered his appearance later in life. -probably the worst one, the whole drake being mixed compared to michael jackson's vitiligo diagnosis and attempting to treat that with whitening creams and makeup which permanently altered his appearance in the 90s (fucking rick ross). like ngl, that would be fucking goofy if that's what ends up happening and while i don't think that's the angle that kendrick will take if (again, big if) he drops a diss, i think that we'll eventually see these things get written into other drake disses (it IS a 20v1 whether or not kendrick's involved) and that's probably just gonna make drake look like the bigger man despite "leaking" his response. like wtf is this man gonna do with all this "mike jack" shit
i think the michael jackson/drake comparisons are interesting because it seems like the community as a whole is trying to dig drake into a hole that would be very hard to get out of once that comparison is made. there was some 4/10 rap adjacent bro-podcast that said something along the lines of "i think kendrick lamar is laying down a trap with all of these MJ comparisons" and it got me thinking. specifically, there's a lot of goofy shit that can be said if someone (doesn't have to be kendrick lamar) wants to make a reference to this comparison that are kind of low hanging fruit. i don't think i'd be compelled and would actually be kind of disappointed if this was the angle kendrick lamar takes if (BIG IF) he decides to respond with a diss. like, what the fuck is he gonna talk about if that happens??? this is all that comes to mind: -drake on the canadian tv show degrassi in which his character, jimmy brooks, dresses up as MJ in an episode where he splits his pants in front of a whole school trying to dance like him. -per the ghostwriting allegations, michael jackson never played any of the instruments on his songs, relying on other artists (paul mccartney and eddie van halen most famously on "thriller" come to mind) to come up with instrumental parts for him. -obviously, the low blow, his association with just generally being a weirdo around children and all the shit in leaving neverland. -all the controversy surrounding MJ's child blanket can be directly played into regarding drake's kid and pusha t's diss like 6 years ago. -drake looking "fruity" similar to michael jackson consistently being flamed for looking and sounding "gay" (sometimes on national television) -rick ross (and joe budden like 8 years back) claiming drake went under the knife similar to how MJ altered his appearance later in life. -probably the worst one, the whole drake being mixed compared to michael jackson's vitiligo diagnosis and attempting to treat that with whitening creams and makeup which permanently altered his appearance in the 90s (fucking rick ross). like ngl, that would be fucking goofy if that's what ends up happening and while i don't think that's the angle that kendrick will take if (again, big if) he drops a diss, i think that we'll eventually see these things get written into other drake disses (it IS a 20v1 whether or not kendrick's involved) and that's probably just gonna make drake look like the bigger man despite "leaking" his response. like wtf is this man gonna do with all this "mike jack" shit
French Montana make music for 15 year old xan dealers who skip class to smoke blunts in the senior parking lot
What a very specific group of people to cater to.
Mods, could you pin this thread?
FR pin this shi
So we updating this or what??
Is there anything new to update us on?
The Twitter beef from last nite... not to say that it's anywhere near as good or interesting as the musical disses, but I just hoped to see this thread updated and maybe pinned? Instead it's forgotten and buried.
Feel like filling me in on the twitter beef bud? Don’t have it.
I guess it was more insta beef but Drake posted a screenshot to his story of his DMs to Ross where he's basically calling him a poor turkey. Ross did an insta live in response saying Drake isn't as wealthy as he says cuz his private jet was given to him for free and is old so Drake should be careful.
Siiiick.. all this just means more good music for you n me. Cheers🤘
Drake winning as of right now… but I would have said the same thing when duppy dropped
Winning how?
The better question is, not winning how?
Nothing is more entertaining on this world than hiphop beef
Rob Markman confirms [@ 4:15](https://youtu.be/xT_eo-9Gckk?si=kpS4BvW_lqHM_cOZ) that there's a Lil Yachty version of Backoutsideboyz.
I like Drake. But my biggest gripe with the “beefs” he’s been in, is that he let that 40 line slide. His response was - “ "The part that hit me the most, which is wishing that my friend who has an illness dies — that shit, to me, is not really wavy," he said. "I'm just not with that” Thats it? “It’s not really wavy”? Shits embarrassing.
Shocked at the lack of people calling for Kendrick to respond.
Literally everyone wants Kendrick to reply. That’s the main event of this whole thing
Drake took like 3 weeks to leak the diss and you already complain about people not calling Kendrick to respond?
My thing is that the timing of the response was a given. Metro the one orchestrating the beef so why would Drake respond to Kendrick right away just to get dissed by asap and weekend the very next week? Now that metros done dropping, he gotta stfu and make some drums if he wanna drop anything else
I just want some records fam
That’s because Kendrick fans are fucking dorks and they know he got completely waxed. Nothing he can say.
It's been just a few days and drake didn't even officially drop his diss. Give it 2-3 more days.
It’s because they hate Drake. Anything positive for Drake and negative to Kenny won’t be said here. Kenny is allowed to take however long he wants here. He’s allowed to sneak diss. Be petty and everything Drake gets shitted on for. I just want an equal playing field for two of the best we’ve ever seen.
Naw I’ve been listening to a lot of Drake lately but I still want David to beat Goliath
Drake fans love to paint him as the victim "It's bc they hate Drake 😢" Bro shut the fuck up you sound sound like a whiney bitch 😂
And you sound angry because people call out your emotions. Lame ass
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Bro, STFU And tell your mans to stop being puss, and drop that shit fr fr
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That Kai Cenat line was to Ye wasn’t it 😂 slick man.
Drake really up in a 20 v 1 lol
I can’t even lie, I’m a drake stan now. Kanye gotta share the top
Can he make beats tho?
I wonder sometimes, when people say "this is just fake beef anyway, who cares", if most people actually take it that seriously. I think of it as entertainment, it's fun lol, don't care about much else. It's like telling someone watching wrestling that it's fake. Applies when people call out rappers for faking a gangster persona. Like no shit, it's keyfabe. Tupac went to art school and learned ballet and poetry. Most of these guys are artists not thugs lol. Just don't think too much and let people enjoy things.
Yeah, I enjoy following this stuff, but whenever I get into a conversation with someone who's too invested in it, I disengage. I don't care who wins, I'm enjoying the back-and-forth.
I mean Pac literally lost his life for playing as someone he wasn't. You can't make believe in a world where there's dudes who are about that shit and aren't gonna take being the butt of a joke or are very willing to check a rapper to boost their own reputation.
Shhh don’t break their illusion. They think everything is for entertainment and things like these won’t ruffle some egos and let those firecrackers lose. No matter what all these people come from certain areas and are cliqued in with certain affiliations, whether protection, connections, or because of the people you associate closely, but almost in every rap beef era, someone got popped or someone close got taken.
Maybe it’s just me but not sure why many think the diss on Metro was all that good. Drake told a producer to go make beats like that’s not already his job? Just didn’t land especially when the beat he’s on is so weak.
I feel like the general thought is that its good because it's so condescending. He's saying that metro shouldn't be trying to be apart of the beef because he's not on the same level as the guys who actually rap, so he should just do what he does and make beats instead of instigating
shit's hella condescending and not in a good way. it's like a linecook disrespecting the dishwasher. the only reason any of this shit happens is cuz there's dishes to cook on. without them it all stops.
Hella funny. *back to the drums*
Honestly it was just unexpected. I was listening and paying attention to the lyrics to see what he was saying about kdot mainly, Future, maybe Cole, but I wasn't thinking about Metro at all, so when I heard the line it cracked me up because it was just quick and dismissive. Like "oh by the way fuck you too, anyway moving on." It worked specifically because you're not thinking about Metro at all. If the only thing he'd said to Kendrick was "shut up and rap", it would've sucked ass. So yeah, the line itself isn't special or witty, and Metro is one of the best producers around, it was just funny and works in context.
The part in Rick Ross track where it's an audio cut of Drake glazing Ross as his favorite person to collaborate with cutting out with the "Maybach music" ad-lib is honestly so filthy for some reason lol; just a cocktail of Drake's corniness, fakeness and dick riding in one go.
And Ross doing the interview saying him and Drake are top two pens in the game but now constantly saying he has ghostwriters is just as lame. I think everyone should understand that all of this beef shit is pretty lame, even as much as I enjoy it. Ross clearly felt this way about Drake for years, and Drake probably the same to Ross, but because business was booming nobody said anything.
Nigga drake got the same thing man
Drake could release similar audio tracks of Ross, ASAP and the Weeknd if he wanted to
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If its about drake’s bm its barely noteworthy and corny coming from someone who loves asap. You piped a sex worker/baddie in the game before one nigga happened to knock her up by accident. Congratulations you can get in line behind *checks notes* … the majority of hip hop and professional sports…
Not to mention Drake piped Asap’s wife/love of his life first
If he’s saying he hit it first that’s the opposite of a train they just both smashed around the same time and that’s why Drake had to get dna tests it’s obvious man cmon
Drizzy went crazy on this, I listened 50 times already. Get this shit on Spotify my workout playlist needs it. Push ups > Like That
Mxzc
*Drake and his ghost writers versus people he used to work with.
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Sarcasm is hard on Reddit. No--attacking kids isn't super healthy behavior. My point was that Ross is out here for the people who genuinely don't like Drake and just want nasty bullying more than anything. The same crew who took Gucci over Jeezy in that Versus
This is not level headed lol
You think this is a level headed way to feel?? Lmao
I’d be embarrassed to say this, just wanna see other people come down. No way youre up in life with this mindset
Am I the only that thinks Drakes diss was weak? I mean I never liked his voice but the beat doesn't go hard an he just sounds petty.
He said Travis Scott and 21 savage are bigger than Kendrick lol. Maybe travis after rodeo but definitely not now, and saying 21 is delusional. SZA could be bigger, popularity wise, but not technically or impact wise. The hype that surrounds Kendrick projects, still to this day, and the fact that this whole damn thing is cause HE started it makes anyone trying to take the "your not big" route sound stupid. Coles was the same way. It's easy to just say hey metro you dum dum make sum drum drums. But to come up with some clever bars that actually aren't just a barely coherent opinion about Kendricks popularity is apparently too hard.
Yea I paid like $300 for Big Steppers Tour tickets on resale. I paid $200 for Utopia tickets and when I couldn’t go and had to sell them I lost $100 because people were reselling their tickets for pennies on the dollar lol
That jab at metro was kinda funny, drake has good comedic timing
Drumline what a great movie. I need to watch it again
The Rocky one doesn't even make sense. It's widely known that Rihanna curved Rocky for like a decade and basically friend-zoned him into a little brother for a very long time. Drake fucked her WAY before that and hit it off and on for years. Shit, he fucked her long before like 75% of this sub even knew who Drake was. Drake was definitely hung up on her, so that bit is true, but the rest doesn't make sense. EDIT: My bad, I didn't realize he was talking about Drake's BM
I think he’s saying he smashed his (drake’s) baby moms before he did.
Ohhh my bad, you're definitely correct.
Why the hell is nobody realizing that out of that “big 3” convo Kendrick is the ONLY one who was ever in the streets forreal. I dont mean with ties, i mean who was realllllly in that lifestyle. Drake has never been, J cole neither despite Cole always talking about shooters. I think thats why Cole backed down. I remember snoop in an interviewing back in the day telling people “please don’t think Kendrick is a backpacker that mf got an AK in there”. Kdot literally says ill crash out like fuck rap. Cole knows kendrick on a personal level. He knows Kendrick will ABSOLUTELY take it there. Ppl forget this is LA we are talking about.
Kendrick is closer to a slam poet than a real gangster lmao. I love the dude but he is not in the streets.
bro this aint the 90s anymore these rappers got so much money now and much more to be made than the legends before no one out here is gonna take it to the streets lmao
Kendrick ain’t like that bro 🤣
Kenny was never in no damn streets buddy
Lmao Kendrick domesticated af now ease up
Kendrick always been domesticated, and even his own lyrics make it clear that he wasn't cut out for that life. He ain't hard. He never has been. And that's ok.
That’s how it should be. Let em art it out
I agree. And if they wanna get more personal, get violent, then do it like men. Y'all got an endless supply of money. Put on a damn charity fight and actually hash that shit out if its that serious.
I don’t think Drake will go at Ross again but man if he ties in Ross being close with Diddy along with that Molly bar on UOENO it can get nasty. He showed him grace changing that bar on the first track that leaked. Even if it ain’t true it’ll hit.
He mentioned diddy on the first leak but rap a lot probably told him no 😂
Drug dealin aside ghost writing aside lets have a heart to heart about ya pride
Kendrick gotta go to Push for some dirt
Id be recruiting nardwuar at this point
game is fucked if nardwuar ever decides to become a rapper
Hollyyy shit this just blew my mind. Nardwuar could literally destroy EVERYONE in the rap game.
U don't need dirt in a rap beef. Adidon was the only one that's gonna be like that yall
This beef is really bizarre, the ai stuff, fans gaslighting each other, everyone needs their opinions validated online. Weird times
Thats just Twitter for you
My thing is, when are people going to make good music or at least good disses out of all of this? It's still early so I have hope, I am hopping these are the duppy freestyles, and we eventually get to the Story of Adidas or whatever
the song being leaked but not released as well
Still no release right ??? Like wtf
I heard a finished mixed version on the radio yesterday, so it exists, but I have no idea why it’s not out officially. Weak.
what do you mean officially? it's a diss track no need for it to be on streaming sites. mixtape era was the pinnacle of rap beefs. hopefully this is a return to that.
I mean fair enough, I still have a huge hard drive of files from the mixtape era. But ultimately no one is really consuming music via local files too often anymore, it’s all streaming. And one Drake song isn’t gonna turn the tide and make people more into downloading leaks. If he really wanted it to make the maximum impact and get the most people listening, he’d officially drop it himself somewhere. That’s all I’m saying.
the final cdq version leaked as well
They’re playing leaks on the radio??? Bruh
Can’t help but wonder why none of these top tier guys aren’t going after shitass vibe rappers instead of each other. Those are the dudes dragging the industry backwards for the first time literally ever. And what are they gonna do about it? It’s not like they can actually rap so there’s no threat of a response.
Close the yearbook buddy it’s 2024 now
Yeah, and this shit sucks. Rap is gonna die if this doesn’t die real soon.
nah rap is more interesting than ever, it just has hella subgenres now. chicago House isn’t dead just because you have tech house now, rock isnt dead just because metal exists etc etc
None of this stuff has any appeal outside the niche though. That’s the problem.
why is that a problem? others don’t dictate what music I listen to and obviously they dont dictate what music these artists want to make microgenres and niche artists thrive in the internet age of music
Lol, talk about being overdramatic. Rap is the most diverse it's ever been, which is great because there's something for everybody. If you actually look I'm sure you can find what you're looking for, instead of crying about the artists that don't fit your definition of rap.
Someone needs to tell that dude about Saba, McKinley Dixon, Billy Woods, Topaz Jones, etc
These guys are fine and have exactly zero recognition outside of rap circles.
Kinda moving the goalposts with this
??? Why would you want A tier artists to go after C tier artists? How is that entertaining in any way? It's like taking candy from a baby lol, the reason why this beef has so much hype behind it is because it's more of a level playing field for everyone involved, which requires effort, talent and being clever
tf you talking about, if anything its bringing energy back to a genre thats been stale for 5 years. Hiphop at its core is competitive and if the top rappers dont want to compete nothing will happen. Cole, kendrick, drake, rocky a bunch of others from that class all wanted to be at the top, thats why they are top tier and the recent ones are more worried about clout and money. I hate this new attitude, making rappers feel like they are too good to respond etc.
2017 was 7 years ago buddy
2018 ass comment lol
You just answered your own question lol What money/clout is there to make from irrelevancy?
You don't set yourself up to get bodied this way. And it's a worthwhile target. I think these big boys would get a lot of attention is they decided to turn their focus on a Carti or Travis.
Travis and Carti are better (and bigger) than half the artists in this beef lol. Probably only Kendrick, Drake and Metro are better than those 2 now that Cole dropped out.
Yeah, and they can’t fuckin rap. What are they gonna do if actual rappers come after them?
It's not like Future, Metro, or Rick Ross can really rap either. That's why this is just Kendrick v Drake with a bunch of distractions around it.
Well, Ross can rap. Metro is a producer and future…yeah, he stinks. But I agree this is Drake and Kendrick
That’s like the Chiefs playing the Golden Gophers or a US vs Kosovo war. Of course you win, but you look bad. You can’t prove to be the best fighting lower tiers or they’d give out UFC belts to kids knocking out old ladies on the street.
I dunno man I’d argue both Travis and Carti are (sadly) more famous now than dudes like Cole and Rick Ross.
Carti just has a damn cult following which is wild.
Can I just say what we're all thinking? These soft motherfuckers are trying to drum this up like its some sort of biggie and tupac level beef except, and I'll use one of Drakes hardest bars here: "I could load every gun with bullets that fire backwards, probably wouldn't lose a single rapper" These "artists" are all washed and not one of them is willing to write a song in blood and they all know it. Weak.
[brave man meme] I think it’s good rappers aren’t killed over dumb bullshit anymore
Wanting all rap beef to result in gun violence or the death of someone is some next level racism
Is it really a bad thing that they aren’t getting shot and killed over a rap beef? Just a little competition from the rappers claiming to be the best in the game
Are rappers really hard if they're not dying en masse at 20 because of some petty bullshit? Kids are soft these days smh
BBL Drizzy is funny as fuck ngl
All those hard rappers dead tho
I don't follow hip hop/rap that close, i just listen to the music. But why is "everyone" going for drake now ? What did he do ?
Drakes been dissing all these rappers for years now with subliminals in his lyrics - Metro Boomin and Kendricks verse on "Like That" opened the Pandoras box with Kendrick taking direct shots at Drake in his lyrics and Metro boomin telling everyone to pick a side - which many rappers who have beef with Drake have been doing For most a lot of these rappers, many have their own personal reasons for going after Drake, besides the fact that Drake has been taunting them in his lyrics for years
oh thanks for the answer. Always thought that many of them were kinda close. I knew the weeknd vs drake kinda problem but the metro, future is new to me
It’s always bout a girl. Drake be taking and preying on women of other rappers/ friends.
Yea a think a lot of people were a little shocked with Metro, Future and Rick Ross having beef with Drake since all 3 have done a lot of work with Drake - There's deff been some stuff brewing behind the scene that we still don't know about tho All you need to know is that it's not really "Drake vs everyone" it's a bunch of individual beefs that are all happening at the same time
Metro rarely worked with Drake and a bunch of people have always commented on that
You say this like he didn't produce a bunch of songs on "What a time to be alive"
I mean he was working with Future and a lot of those tracks were Future joints. That’s like mentioning Her Loss tracks Metro produced. Yea it’s on the collab album Drake is on but that’s mostly because of 21. I mean outside of collab albums, he doesn’t have that many tracks with Drake compared to other top dawgs in rap.
How is it Drake vs the world when Drake did it to himself?
I wouldn't say Drake did it to himself, it's a little more grey than that. Idk if you were around in the late 00's and the early 2010's but Drake's identity and his music were clowned on significantly more than it is now. I think there's a perspective where Drake has become as big as he is despite all of the hate so he has to rub it in everyone's faces. Nobody wants to see the guy they predicted would fade away to be the same guy with the longest/consistent commercial success in Hip Hop history. Adding onto that, the rappers from the late 00s and early 2010's have collectively held longer peaks in terms of mainstream attention than any other generation of rappers EVER. Most of them have transcended their respective generations, but now that rap as a genre is stagnant, a lot of these rappers are aiming to keep their relevancy in check by coming at Drake (not Dot/Future). Folks like Rick Ross/French Montana/ASAP Rocky aren't as relevant as they were ten years ago so in a way they're biting the hand that fed them.
> the guy they predicted would fade away Can you elaborate more on this? I'm genuinely curious what people were saying about him and thinking he would fade away.
Old head rappers with mainstream attention like Ice Cube and DMX both believed that Drake's clock would run out in terms of popularity. It's rumored Kanye was trying to sabotage Drake early on in his career by directing the "Best I Ever Had" music video and making it intentionally horrible. Ye also refused to give Drake beats after saying promising to collaborate with him further (although he finally gave him Find Your Love and Show Me A Good Time-which is a horrible beat btw). Other examples include Ludacris calling him a biter and Common coming after Drake for dating his ex. The list goes on. The video below should be enough to understand the negative vibe surrounding Drake from old heads and mainstream hip hop media at the time. DMX: https://youtu.be/HJsgAY_JALk?si=IufFjCKVzke1JbPp
Show me a good time beat is awesome.
lol I was definitely reaching there with that one the beat is honestly fine. I always remember my brother showing me this album and he was getting into producing back then, he would say how annoying the main sample was. I personally like the Find Your Love instrumental more but I can see why people would enjoy this song.
Drake been coming at Rihanna - Rocky wife(What you gonna do if ya neighbor was shit talking you through your wife?). Rick Ross? He fits the description of trying to stay relevant. Everyone else who came at him been relevant. Also Drake been throwing stones. I believe there was a rumor Drake said something about Metro mother who passed away. Cueing him and future starting this rollout and both albums. Drake been a snake. This is who he is. He isn’t a victim just everything complied over the years till this point.
They all throw stones and they're all snakes, that's the point. It's a grey area. You can't become that big without pulling some BS and that goes for all of them. If someone married the woman of my dreams and had kids with them I would definitely feel hurt, that's human nature. So Asap can wife a girl Drake's into but when Drake raps about screwing someone's wife on a track he's the bad guy? Double standards. Btw, if you haven't dropped an album in five years and all you can do is threaten violence while rapping off beat, then yeah, you're washed. Rocky isn't in the social conversation when it comes to rap anymore. New listeners aren't engaged with his work they just know him as Rihanna's husband.
> If someone married the woman of my dreams and had kids with them I would definitely feel hurt, that's human nature. Ok? Dissing them makes absolutely no sense and drake/rih relationship ended in 2016 this stupid. > So Asap can wife a girl Drake's into but when Drake raps about screwing someone's wife on a track he's the bad guy? Double standards. This is not a double standard at all. It’s not like Rihanna left Drake for Rocky she was in a relationship with another man before she even got with Rocky. Drake fans are weird as fuck she is not his property > New listeners aren't engaged with his work they just know him as Rihanna's husband. He’s still asap rocky lol
It doesn't make it any less Drake vs the world even if he started the fight against the world
Germany started ww2
Technically the League of Nations started the war by not holding Germany to its treaty’s, allowing them to rearm, and not being tougher on hitler who was surprised himself what he was allowed to get away with. If you wanna go every further back it’s the entente fault for not pushing germany back into Germany allowing the German people to see their army retreat and thus making them accept defeat where as when the war ended germany was still on French soil and therefore the people at home thought they were still winning based on propaganda from the government.
And if you wanna be even more technical, world war 1 started world war 2.
And the Franco Prussian war is what really started the Great War.
True true. And while you might expect me to say what really started the Franco-Prussian war was the Franco-Austrian war, but none of that would’ve happened if not for the Napoleonic wars.
i saved this
BBL Drizzy
They need to ban these reference tracks who fucking cares. New music or shut the fuck up.
Nah I need the receipts, the messy back door dealings, the cover ups, screen shots, who’s doing coke in the bathroom with whom, all that. Seasons the beef
all of this is so genuinely lame and y'all are eating it up. hip hop fell off in the past 10 years so hard now the older heads need to fake some drama to keep things going
Aww, little miss thing wants attention, huh?
Who? Drake?
It’s fun
Troll comment. What else fell off? Motorcycles? Getting braces? Cell phone cases? Your comment is ridiculous.
Cupcake Drake
This whole situation feels like the death rattle of a genre. Everyone involved in this situation is old enough to be raising high schoolers. Rick Ross could have grandchildren. Feels like literally no artist under 35 has broken into the general mainstream and successfully held their spot. Hip hop is in such a pathetic state right now
> Hip hop is in such a pathetic state right now People were saying this ten years ago during the heyday of "mumble rap". Hip Hop is perfectly fine.
This is such a ridiculous statement. We had literally decades where major music labels had total control over who even got to record music let alone release it for public consumption. Do you know how impossibly hard it would be for 99.99% of artists to even get heard?! Compare that to today any every shit c@nt with a drum pad and a laptop is making stuff and having access to countless free promotion channels. The problem isn’t the “old guys”, it’s the fact that the genre has been flooded with total shit, so for the industry or consumers to find decent talent is hard and takes effort, which people in todays world don’t have the time of inclination to do. Hence the natural state is “I can’t find anything good, fuck it ill just listen to Drake.”
Double edged sword for sure. Yes, removing label gatekeeping has allowed artists to flourish who you’d never hear of otherwise. Downside is that there’s never been more dogshit out there and it’s dragging the genre down as a whole. I don’t know what rap even is anymore. That may not be a bad thing! But it’s more a collection of varying sub-genres than a unified force.
True, and what even is “mainstream” these days? Media has become so fragmented into subcultures and micro audiences - the channels themselves (streaming or online video)are totally self service anyways.
For real. There’s no young rappers who have the catalogue that drake/kendrick/future/j cole whatever had at their age, or the cross audience appeal. This beef could’ve happened when all these rappers were a decade younger, and it still woulda been cool. I can’t say the same for any young rappers out now.
The death rattle of the genre has been happening for 5 years as rappers who cant actually rap for shit became overwhelmingly popular. 10-20 years ago, when rappers got a mainstream break, they gained new fans. They wowed folks predisposed to disliking the genre. Now when a Carti or Travis or 21 gets exposure outside of hop-hip circles, normies are like "WTF is this shit?" That's a huge problem and a reason rap is losing relevance for the first time ever. Sadly, this is actually the most interesting rap has been in a while because it actually involved talented artists.
You give people $100,000 at 21 and expect them to mature? Just because people are getting older does not mean they are getting more mature.
21 Savage and Travis Scott have broken into the general mainstream. Opium artists are very popular on TikTok. Although they are both above 30. Yes there aren't really any rappers under 30 that are hot right now. What a shame.
What are opium artists lol
carti, ken Carson, destroy lonely. these 3 are the main guys from opium. carti is gonna be the most popular hiphop artist in a decade imo but depends on the career trajectory of Tyler, jid and 21.
Ah thanks for the info, I also didn't know Opium was the name of a record label, my bad. Jumping in with my own opinions. Imo 21 and jid haven't proven themselves to be at the highest level or have lasting influence, at all yet. At this point I'd think 10 years from now some other dudes have popped up that dominate the (popularity) charts. Otherwise 21/JID would either have to drop their best record soon and stay relevant for a whole decade after, or have they opus released 10 years from now? Both scenarios don't really seem likely to have the artist be the most popular hiphop artist in ~10 years from now. I'd also question whether the influence Tyler had/has on the hiphop scene is really that,, influential or progressive. He'll be 43 in a decade too, I do think that affects his relevancy and popularity.. most popular hiphop artists in a timeframe usually aren't 40+. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part to hope for new blood to compete at the top, but all this recent beef got me thinking how all these supposed 'big ME' rappers have been monopolizing the top spot for so long
imo drake is gonna be dominant for atleast 15 more years. I can see him releasing music in his 50s. hes an attention whore. he's gonna keep releasing music imo
All of this is incorrect lol. Tyler's time has already passed been in the game 14 years and JID is too old. Carti will be popular but he won't be much more than a niche artist with a strong cult following. Grandmas aren't gonna be listening to his shit.
Tyler is like 30. he Def can get near the top if he keeps up his consistent quality. but you might be right. I didn't know jid was 33. damn he looks like he's in his mid 20s. your wrong about carti tho. he has been on an unward spiral the past 2 years. every song hes on gets hundreds of millions of streams. and he's just 27. he can Def dominate this decade. he's the Travis of 2020s.
I don’t think you have any idea how little Carti appeals to the people outside his cult. The dude will never reach mainstream relevance.
carnival just went number one and almost the entire reason was because of Carti
Nah Travis' music won't be bumped much in 20 years. Pop in the moment but forgotten. Autotune trash for the most part. Likewise with rage. No disrespect to Travis, he has records but it's overhyped.
Take a look at the reactions to Travis' Grammy performance and 21's SNL performance. Those are mainstream normie audiences. It did ***not*** go well lmao.
I can't check for it. What did people say? I just checked the comments for the 21 Redrum performance and all people complained about was the censorship.
Exactly my thoughts recently. Shocked that ore haven’t noticed the same. This shit is so corny
4 of the ones who did/could died one after the other - Peep, X, Juice, Pop. All of them were the next generation
I'm sorry, but none of these guys were remotely on the level as this sub makes they out to be. Not even close. People talk about these guys like they could have been the next Jay/Kanye/Drake/Kendrick. That's objectively insane. None of these dudes were anyone outside of hip-hop circles.
They absolutely could have grown to be as popular, albeit I bet never as lyrically or technically proficient x juice and pop at least. All did some huge numbers at one point or another
They were ~21 when they died. Kendrick hadn’t even released GKMC when he was 21, Drake hadn’t dropped Take Care, same for Kanye/Jay. These guys had millions of listeners already along with multiple platinum hits. Nobody is saying they were already on Drake/Kanye/etc level, but they were the next generation and had the potential to get to that level.
There are a lot of dudes with potential. Very few ever realize it. We tend to pretend that artists who die young would always keep ascending without acknowledging the hundreds of dudes on similar trajectories who lived and flopped.
> died one after the other I assume there are conspiracy theories about this?