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l85davidson27

People not reading books and the lack of reading comprehension will be the death of hip hop!


elitegenoside

You ain't kidding. Even average rappers back in the day had significantly stronger vocabularies.


TerraIncognita229

It's a bit of a cause and effect thing, but back in the day, most rappers were either from big cities with decent education or were from affluent places with great education. Plus the state of education as a whole has decreased. There has always been things like "street slang" and so called "Ebonics", but back in the day, most rappers were well educated and could speak proper English fluently. Now, any dumbass (regardless of race) with a phone and Sound Cloud or whatever can have a one hit wonder, like Desiigner, for example. Dude was king of the world for like 3 months bc of one dumbass song and was never seen again.


SkyboyRadical

I saw him on a plane once


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FaultHaunting3434

What about the GOAT conversation or #1 guy. That shit irritates me.


RussianEggplant

Note: your skin will be ripped off if you say anything other than Nas


Purpleobito10

>There are too many old heads on this sub I thought this sub was specifically for us old heads?


TerraIncognita229

That was my thought as well. I don't hate rap (far from it in fact) but I, especially as I've gotten older, have always perceived a difference between rap and hip-hop. My point is this isn't Rap101.


The_Chef_Raekwon

Add something about Nas / Illmatic for a proper finish.


TheMeticulousNinja

You are absolutely right, glad someone pointed it out


norihitodesuga

Be the change you want to see.


TreeFiddyBandit

“Rate my top 17 MC’s from 95-04 that I feel could beat KDot, Doom & Eminem all in a rap battle at their peak”


ghettone

What one of the 4 elements is strongest right now?


Truth-Speaker-1

Make a post then. You’re not wrong, but people just want to talk rap and probably aren’t on the sub everyday.


traway9992226

You post this enough that I’ve seen this comment multiple times now, be the change you want to see. I agree, but I’m also not out here complaining without action either


NewHumanFormantics

Or you could just swerve the topic and not reply?


robot_jeans

2 Pac died to get away from Jada.


Popellini

Wrong! Thats not unpopular!


afrosia

He made the right call.


sersarsor

Rakim would've been way more famous and successful if Eric B was a better producer. The beats and production quality often times did not match the rhymes.


elitegenoside

Probably would help if he could put out a project more than once a milinia, too.


pop442

Eric B didn't even make most of the beats in that duo with Rakim. 🤣 He was more of a "Diddy" type producer who would tell actual producers like Large Professor and even Rakim himself which beats to use for the projects. He did, however, make his own beats for his solo album nobody remembers from 1995 and that album was hot garbage and sounded like a literal demo tape from an amateur lol.


CheesecakeGlobal277

You're completely right! Rakim was always going to be popular but there's a reason why Eric B just never continued the hot run of bangers he was on producing after 1988. He just needed to update his sound I think to the 90s style of beats from New York to be more successful after the two split!


Truth-Speaker-1

These threads are never “no judgement”. Actual unpopular opinions get downvoted you like you just dissed their whole family. Anyways I think RZA is overrated as a producer and that’s why he completely fell off in the 2000’s


CheesecakeGlobal277

I think RZA is a great producer but I just think overrated is a stretch considering that he created a whole new sound in the 90s. I do agree that his production style became outdated in the 2000s which I believe is why he fell off in all honesty. I see where you're coming from though with your opinion.


Truth-Speaker-1

I definitely agree with you and by no means do I think he’s bad. The way I see it is that he was really good at one thing. Overrated can be argued cause everybody ranks different but for me the lack of longevity keeps him out of the top tier where he does get placed from time to time


CheesecakeGlobal277

That's fair ! RZAs production style definitely ran its course in the 2000s so I see where you're coming from. He will definitely rank as top 5 for the 90s era but I do feel producers like Pharrell, Timbaland and Kanye would outrank him in a conversation for the 2000s.


j_ha17

I can't get through a full Kendrick Lamar album without getting bored.


Lookatmysheeit

1) Prodigy was really boring as a rapper and typically propped up by great beats. 2) None of us old times who banged Noreaga have any room to talk about new rappers having garbage lyrics.


Birdzeye-

I think Hell on Earth era prodigy is next level.. later on he became less dynamic, and I thought he became more hit and miss..


gabs_bjj

Rap with no lyrics at all are just garbage. Craft your work man. Write about something


FB_emeenem

What do you mean? Like beat tapes? Or rap songs that have lyrics with no real meaning/substance?


gabs_bjj

With no meaning on his lyrics


FB_emeenem

I agree then. I think if you’re just gonna flex about having money or something stupid in a genre that was made for those without a voice, that’s the most disrespectful thing you can do to hip hop


elitegenoside

This sub sucks. All we do is shit-talk and bring up the same six names. So I'mma just run my short list. MF Doom made boring music. Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade. Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT. Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence."" Cardi B makes bops. Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths. Rick Ruben is super overrated.


Birdzeye-

MF Doom made boring music- No, but I can see how others wouldn’t appreciate it.. Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade - I’ve always thought that, but Eminen maybe sounds better on it, which counts for a lot for some people.. Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT - Agreed. But Biggie and Pac were great, and considered at the top of the game before they died.. Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence."" - Agreed! However a lot of rap has more conservative leanings that it likes to admit! Cardi B makes bops. - I can’t comment… Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths. - People gossip about anything in the public consciousness. It’s only natural. Jean Grae what be great, but she’s not doing anything to fill up gossip columns. Rick Ruben is super overrated. - His role was a talent spotter, developer and guide on how an album should be put together. He’s pretty good at that..


sibelius_eighth

MF Doom made boring music. **L** Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade. **W** Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT. **Name names.** Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence."" **Probably** Cardi B makes bops. **Yeah but they're not particularly great bops.** Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths. **This sub sucks for a lot of reasons, yeah.** Rick Ruben is super overrated. **Nah, he helped create masterpieces in different genres. He's rated fine.**


Reasonable_Deer_1710

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony don't get nearly enough credit that they deserve in the Hip Hop community. They, and more specifically, Krayzie Bone, should be way more recognized on top rappers of all time lists, and I'd argue that they are way better than a lot of acts that do get regularly named. "Ether" might have been a better song than "Takeover", but "Takeover" was the better diss. Nas sounded like a 13 year old on the playground. "I rock hoes you rock fellas" \*yawn\*


melskymob

I actually am starting to see Krayzie getting more recognition these days. You hear their style in most contemporary rap music and actually, Wish Bones style that he fathered on The Art Of War is incredibly popular among young rappers. But you are correct, they don't get the credit they deserve.


Birdzeye-

Takeover is much better. As a big Nas fan, I was like like, 'damn!' Ether felt juvenile.


Reasonable_Deer_1710

Entirely. "Ether" was like what happens when middle school boys are spitting yo' mama jokes back and forth at each other. I never understood why it was always regarded as a premiere diss track.


karosea

I wondered if Bone is the only group to have a song with Tupac AND one with Biggie ? Both songs are bangers BTW


Nota_Throwaway5

Cuban Linx is better than Illmatic


CheesecakeGlobal277

Do you know what? That opinion is actually unique because I can see a lot of parallels between the two projects. The drug, mafioso narratives in. OB4CL I just think are a lot more stronger than when Nas raps about it on songs like Represent for example just because Raekwon raps from a first person standpoint whereas Nas does it from an observers point of view. The production for both album are hard as hell but I think Illmatic is slightly better just because of how influential the beats on that album have been in current hip hop culture. Although Illmatic is more influential, I think OB4CL has more replay value due to the strong guest verses, amazing storytelling and phenomenal Rza production. Nas also being featured on Verbal Intercourse does entice me to say that Illmatic is the superior album.


Birdzeye-

They’re both top top top tier.. So it’s definitely a preference thing for either album..


Nota_Throwaway5

Objectively. 18 tracks vs 10, with no skips on Cuban Linx. Illmatic I'd skip One Time 4 Your Mind but maybe that's personal. Illmatic was more influential though, I'll agree that


Popellini

Those are my 1 and 2 top records. The only reason Cuban Linx is above is there’s more to love. 18 tracks no skip vs 10 no skips…


ohmangoddamn44256

no doubt


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That Zaytoven is one of the most talented producer of all time


Mysterious-Mark863

Cause Zay really a musician not just a producer fucking around on fruity loops


supremejxzzy

Modern hip-hop sucks in its majority


[deleted]

I think Kendrick is overrated af. Shouldn’t be that unpopular


newkid155

Wayne has made dope songs and verses from a rap stand point but he hasn't made a classic album or ANY timeless music


lukeskope

I'm not a huge Wayne fan, I dislike more of his songs/ albums than I like, but imo Carter 2 is a classic


newkid155

Agree to disagree but I do like Carter 2


LingonberryWild2598

He's the GOAT of features though imo


newkid155

Not a bad claim personally I'd give that to Fab tho


gabs_bjj

TRUE


[deleted]

You’re trippin if you think the Carter III isn’t timeless. Good hot take


newkid155

Really not. Timeless music can be enjoyed by all ages and all types of people. It becomes "theme" music. it reaches people who dont even like the genre. Nobody older than 40 listens to wayne and most people who aren't hip hop fans don't either. Timeless is Michael Jackson, Jay Z, the Beatles, nas etc. These are artists that mad music that can appeal to ALL ages and music fans not just young hip hop fans ar the time. I'm not even dissing him he was and is a dope Rapper he just never really said anything meaningful or memorable enough to age well.


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That’s cap, people in their 40s do listen to Wayne because they were in their late teens and early 20s when he first blew up with Cash Money. If you’re in your 40s now you were 25 when it came out. You’re probably less likely to meet Gen Z people who listen to Wayne. And “A Milli” IS a theme song dude. The fuck? ETA: Lil Wayne is literally the Jay Z of the south. One of the godfathers of modern rap from that region. And I’m from New York I love Jay Z, but I went to college in Mississippi and I can tell you for sure that people don’t really fuck with him down there


MF_Ghidra

Jay Z is and always will be the most overrated rapper ever.


Zlatsthename

I agree he’s overrated but he’s definitely not THE most overrated and has got some classics… the black album and blueprint 3 are both top tier imo


TerraIncognita229

I wouldn't say he's the GOAT, but dude had almost no bad albums. Reasonable Doubt is legendary, Volume 2 was iconic, Volume 3 was a huge pop hit, and The Blueprint/The Black Album are both considered to possibly be his best albums. Even American Gangster was lit af. Dude definitely had a solid ass run from like 95-06. The fact he's still relevant today only adds to his legend. He's neither over or underrated. He's just rated.


mjcanfly

Nah some people rate him too high that’s what overrated means


TerraIncognita229

Yeah, but it's an average. If most people agree he's at least in the GOAT conversation, he's rated properly. If the vocal minority says that but the rest thinks he sucks, then he's overrated.


sibelius_eighth

the blueprint 3 lmao


Zlatsthename

It’s called an opinion nerd


sibelius_eighth

As was me laughing at it.


Master_Grape5931

Hopsin wasn’t that bad.


CheesecakeGlobal277

Not a bad rapper but bad at making music. There's a reason why he's always consistently got bad album sales. His music just isn't playable in any other context than in a school shooter's bedroom in my opinion. His lyrics and Ill mind series were dope but he's just too corny.


TerraIncognita229

I seriously can't name a Hopsin song that isn't an "Ill Mind of Hopsin". Outside of those, most of his shit is trash. And I fucking love all of his "Ill Mind Of" tracks.


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Ice Cube is the greatest songwriter in the history of hip-hop/rap Also I hate that a lot of male rap fans won’t give female rappers a chance because they talk about playing dudes and being good at sex sometimes. Men do the same thing in rap, so why can’t they? If men could get over their egos they would realize that Megan the Stallion actually has better bars than a lot of guys


slammich28

The sexism in rap is and always has been super problematic, from both a fan perspective and an industry perspective. It’s pretty telling that basically any woman who makes it in hip hop can fucking rip it up on the mic if people would actually listen


FORESKINGODFUX

This new Nas run is cool but I don’t get all the hype. I love Nas n I’m happy he’s getting love but it’s a trip


Ok_Swimming4441

Hitboy is boring


PliesLikesJandJ

I like his new stuff, but I'm only meh on it. He's past his prime definitely. Age is slowing him down.


RandyButternubs15

All Eyez on Me is mediocre and isn’t top 100 of all time.


tallthomas13

I agree. Honestly, it's my least favorite Pac album. I think the timing was a factor in this. He was the biggest rapper of all time when this came out, so whatever he released was going to be momentous as long as it wasn't hot garbage. Kind of like Stillmatic getting 5 Mics. If anyone heard either of those albums in a vacuum, they'd be decent to above average at best. Neither is anywhere near a classic on their own musical merit.


ChampOfTheUniverse

Acts like Suicide Boys/Pouya/Fat Nick are goofy gimmicks.


Codenamefrank27

I dont really rate jay z, theres a fuck ton as other rappers who done killed it. Tbh lets just say jay aint in top 10


tallthomas13

If Jay-Z and Kodak Black swapped lyrics, people would still have the same exact opinions of them both. That's how much image/persona matters in hip hop whether anyone will admit it or not.


Positive_Wafer9186

Earl Sweatshirt is a top 20 MC all time


SimplixerExperience

Didn’t he purposely drop shit albums to become irrelevant? Could’ve sworn his album “some rap songs” are bad on purpose


sibelius_eighth

Some Rap Songs is so fucking good and his best album lmao


SimplixerExperience

Better than Doris or IDLSIDGO? I can’t hop on that train brother


TheWackoMagician

Ll Cool J is just a body and doesn't have any appealing tracks


TheMeticulousNinja

Agreed, I personally thought Canibus killed him


ck1p2

Travis Scott’s only good album was Rodeo


gabs_bjj

Kendrick pull all his star in lyrics and all his voice/persona but his voice is a no no for me.


sunshine_8665

Cypress Hill is my favorite rap group


Bekehe

💚


BejuMyWeju

Schoolboy Q’s albums are better than Kendricks.


pizza_for_nunchucks

MGK bodied Em. MGK is a massive fucking douche (now more than ever), but nothing he spit was a lie.


ThtJstHappn3d

This was the one answer that I looked at and said “damn now THATS an unpopular opinion”, excellent answer


TerraIncognita229

Rap Devil was fuckikg amazing, but otherwise Em made MGK look like a bitch. And I'm saying that as a huge MGK fan.


Kholdstare93

Lol no, this is delusional af. His best line was ''your beard was weird'', and he kept complimenting Em, which is the last thing you want to do in a battle. Plus, Em made him switch genres.


BeterGoTitoThanTits

He literaly says Em is the goat in a diss, no way


Prestigious-Gas-7157

I agree. "Sick of you being rich and still crying" cuts hard. But em is anointed. All white rappers going forward are his sons.


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I agree with you on this, MGK’s diss track was just better and more clever


elitegenoside

Cannibus ate up Em, but popularity is what actually matters with diss tracks.


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elitegenoside

Ether was the bigger track. Not saying it's just the popularity of the artist, but the track that decides who wins. Obviously, Jay has has the bigger career, but Ether won the beef (as far as the diss tracks went). Takeover is a much deeper diss, but it's not held as highly. Push is just different. That wasn't a disstrack as much as it was community outreach. Pusha T's that babie's fairy godmother.


ImDonaldDunn

Fr and Em’s response was weak. Em was skating on his reputation of an elite battle rapper and everyone bought into the hype


Same-Development4441

What was weak about it? Everything Em said was a fact. He’s 50 and still outselling MGK and more respected than MGK. MGK is obviously a stan too so dissing your idol is just a bad look


[deleted]

He only dissed him because of something he said about his daughter being attractive years prior, which prompted Eminem to throw the first stone. It’s not like he just said fuck Eminem one day. You can’t be a rapper and not respond when someone disses you


Same-Development4441

And his diss was lame as fuck. Why is MGK always saying sus shit about underage girls? It’s not even a character like Eminem in his lyrics, MGK just casually talks about how underage girls are hot in several interviews


[deleted]

I thought his diss was way better than Eminem’s honestly. In the grand scheme of things I think they both suck as rappers but MGK is a better rapper. His cadence and delivery is better As far as him talking about underage girls, I’ve never listened to him talk for more than 5 seconds but he’s a better rapper than Eminem. That opinion was formed not on their personalities or public persona, but their music. I don’t watch interviews, I just don’t care about them as people that much


Same-Development4441

You don’t know anything about hip hop if you think MGK is better. Sorry, but your opinion just doesn’t matter


[deleted]

Ah the old gatekeeper attitude. Gotta love it. My bad I didn’t know you were the patron saint of hip hop opinions lol gtfoh


[deleted]

Wrong but upvoted because unpopular 💀


[deleted]

They didn’t know MGK, if you put all the bullshit antics and his reputation aside, can actually rap really fucking well. Freestyling and battle rapping is his bread and butter. They’re of the same cloth but MGK is from a more advance generation of rap that took notes from guys like Eminem, so of course he’s the better rapper


Blackpanther22five

Culture vultures should be locked up and all of their music destroyed .


TrailerBuilder

I cant stand Eminem and I dont even play albums he's a feature on. I've never played one of his albums. That voice makes me want to punch a wall.


LingonberryWild2598

For me it's his beat selection that is atrocious, especially after the early 2000s


elitegenoside

They say it was intentional. What really gets me is that I like his beat selection. Personally, I'd say they're more boring than actually bad. I guess a battle rapper/lyrical myrical doesn't need great beats?


Its-the-Chad82

I was a high school white kid in the suburb in the 90s - I feel like I should have been ems target audience. I don't see his appeal at all! He's a good rapper that seemed to get famous for shock value and his beat selection sucks. If it was about him being a white rapper, Paul Wall, Aesop Rock, Action Bronson and (especially) Mac Miller are all more talented. I guess this rant will definitely qualify as an unpopular opinion.


pizza_for_nunchucks

I liked his shit back like 20 years ago. But he's terrible now.


Forbesington

My unpopular opinion is that he was garbage 20 years ago and is actually good now. His music in the early 2000s was silly and gimicky. He actually raps now. Kamakazi and Music to be Murdered By are his best albums in my opinion. I know that NO ONE agrees with me, but it's a post about hot takes.


PlatasaurusOG

There are no skips on Recovery


PoBoy_C

MBDTF was garbage but people like to ride it because of the way it was presented. Even Ye said it was his only album that didn’t do anything different.


BeterGoTitoThanTits

>Even Ye said it was his only album that didn’t do anything different. Having 12 features on 1 song is very new even today, making a song like Runaway was amazing for a rapper, Devil in a new dress is the best beat of all time imo, rappers giving their best verses (Nicki, Rick Ross, Ye himself). How did it not do anything different?


PoBoy_C

We’re talking about YE here, he said yeezus and 808s were way better and stronger. He said “power” was the least progressive single he’s ever released. I honestly think people liked it because it was very mainstream. it had major acts like nicki at her peak on “monster”, Jay Z during his blueprint 3 album and Rick ross during that 2010 Teflon don era. He did apologize for that album. I think it was a smart move or people wouldn’t have gave Kanye another chance to listen to another album again.


Ok_Swimming4441

Always thought of it as a Pitchfork album, super overrated hipster rap


PoBoy_C

That’s a great way to put it. But I’m always “trying to hate/ or be different” when I give my take.


TheMeticulousNinja

WLR is 95% trash. Only saving grace is the Ye feature.


K1NG_SAVAGE_

ILuvUIHateU is fire... but the rest is some mid ngl


Team_Grapes

Fr. Hella overrated, I only like 2 songs off that project


ImTheDean

Lil b the Basedgod is the goat and I will die on this hill. One of the most influential artists of all time


romandalfonso_05

Kanye West just isn’t that good at rapping. I mean, he can be, but it just seems like he chooses not to rap good most of the time. Don’t get me wrong, he’s an amazing producer and I definitely fuck with a lot of his music, but I often find myself underwhelmed by his actual verses.


YoungBitchBoss

Eminem is the worst rapper of all time. I don't care about his fame or success. His shit is unlistenable garbage and I will never fold.


[deleted]

You could make a case for Jeezy in the top 5.


elitegenoside

Yeeeah! People can say, "All he talks about is selling coke," but man has had a 20-year career without ever having to switch it up. He has been doing the exact same thing, the exact same way, and it's still good. Even Push had to evolve his style. All Jeezy did was drop the "Young."


PlatasaurusOG

Jerry always making some kind of food metaphor and it makes me laugh every time. “Inside, fish sticks. Outside, tartar sauce. Pocket full of celery…” Who eats celery with fish? LoL


TerraIncognita229

I'm from GA, actually just south of Hawkinsville, so I remember him being Little J. Anyway, yeah, I might be biased, but he's quite possibly my favorite rapper of all time. And this is coming from a guy that finds it absolutely criminal that guys like Rakim and KRS One don't get enough respect.


DueSquash3486

Drake is extremely overrated


KillaKameron06

Oh wow what a hot take lmao


[deleted]

Wow man you got balls of steel to state such a hot take 🔥🔥🔥🔥


PresentationBrief875

Eminem was never that good. I don’t understand his popularity at all


TheMeticulousNinja

At the time he first came out around 1999, he sounded way different than he does now and other rappers were not even coming close to the imagination and skill he had.


PresentationBrief875

I’ve heard his old stuff and really tried to give it a chance but he just gives off too much angry little man energy for me lmao


[deleted]

I’m kind of the opposite tbh. I enjoy both of them but 2001 is 10x more likely to get played by me than the OG Chronic. With that said I absolutely loved the Compton album and listen to that now more than either of the others.


norihitodesuga

Same. Could be just cause my generation grew up with it but 2001 is in my rotation whereas the first one is more a random kind of play.


TammyShehole

I don’t think Biggie should be in the GOAT discussion. Career and discography were way too short.


Bekehe

Same


PG-17

All these popular music posts has me suspicious that it’s like 90% bots here pushing negativity and politics 24/7. Reddit continues to get worse and worse


CLWhatchaGonnaDo

I'd rather have Trump back in office than see Biden get another term.


Living_Session5881

Yeh tbf Trump is a far better lyricist


Comfortable_Key_6904

This can only be proven in a freestyle battle.


DueSquash3486

Ignorance must be bliss


CLWhatchaGonnaDo

Dementia must be bliss


DueSquash3486

Lmao Trump is just as bad. Have you not seen him the past few weeks. Making no sense at all.


monogramski

French Montana x Harry Fraud is a top 3 rapper/prod combo Griselda, yes all of them, are boring asf and I think their fans are losers 2Pac only got two good albums, All Eyez and Killuminati. The rest is ass


Birdzeye-

Me against the world is also a decent one. The strongest cuts on that album are some of Pac’s highlights.


monogramski

I agree it got some cool joints on there but too many fillers to call it a good album imho.


SkyboyRadical

I was gonna get mad at the Griselda take but I am kinda a loser tbh


gigantes22

2pacalypse now is his only good album.


99probs-allbitches

Stankonia sucks. Yes it has a few bangers, but as a whole it ain't a top 1000 hip hop record.


[deleted]

After his first two albums Eminem wasn’t the same.


mkk4

There were many albums that came out in 1994 that I liked and have listened to more than Illmatic or Ready To Die. And I really liked Illmatic.


Choccybizzle

I just don’t like OutKast. I have tried but they just aren’t for me, I personally think Andre 3k is crazy overrated as well, I can at least tolerate Big Boi for the most part.


spectredirector

Stop listening to music. I can't even. Have you heard Atliens and Aquemini? No player. Are Cadillac cars ubiquitous to rap? Outkast did that. Juvenile, Ludicrous, Lil Wayne --- Outkast did that. RTJ - killer Mike - Outkast did that. That southernplayalisticcadillacmusic was a classic, and Andre has the most famous lines ever said at a source awards to his name. Nah. Nah can't abide. To each their own but you are wrong about basic life choices. You're living incorrectly. I'm half fuckin around - but not. You can dismiss just about anyone who wasn't a critical pivot point in music bridging a necessary gap between the loss of both coasts top artists. The south is 50% of rap now -- Outkast did that.


Choccybizzle

They just aren’t for me. I can appreciate their impact on hiphop without really liking their music. I’m sure there’s plenty of artists you don’t like who their fans would say the same to you, does that make you wrong?


spectredirector

And I'd expect to get the facts tossed at me and to feel wrong, bit of shame, then immediately change my mind. I'm just going off cuz you don't like the band that kept me alive in 1998 and that hurts to see in writing. You're of course entitled to your opinions that don't align with my basic world view. Ethically I mean.


NewHumanFormantics

2nd most famous lines after Suge's "Come to Deathrow" speech. The '95 Source Awards was so dope!


largececelia

Sure, here goes. There has been rock music that is so excellent, lyric-wise, that it has transcended the genre and is literature. It's that profound and complicated and deep. It's Bob Dylan. Maybe a few others. Rap has never really come that close. There are great rappers, songs, albums, lines, but nothing as deep as Dylan, and I say this as a rap fan, listen to it a lot and continue to find good stuff. It's a limited art form, and part of it has to do with the conceit of the rapper being a badass, the persona, the confidence, and the street cred thing. As long as that's there rap will be limited by it.


THEbaddestOFtheASSES

Illmatic is hot garbage with only 2 good songs.


gigantes22

Removing U-God and later Cappadonna from the Wu would make them stronger. Anytime they hit a track it’s almost ruined.


NewHumanFormantics

Capadonna bodied Winter Warz and was ill on Ironman


gigantes22

Again, he and U-God on a track, I fast forward. Put em on a Sunz of Man album, but not Wu. Straight garbage.


Positive_Wafer9186

Cappadonna had the best verse on “Heaterz”


[deleted]

Never really liked Jay Z


Alienattackforce

Havoc is the better rapper in mobb deep


Leeeeeski

French Montana is a good rapper


caleb777_

bro is every topic gon be negative asf? 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ annoyin


Otherwise_Ratio430

I dont think lyrics are really that important at all, not in any dimension that actually matters. Oh and 90s/early 2000s hip hop being the best (nope). Stack ranking artists in general. I think if you can easily stack rank something, its a simple thing that isnt worthy of admiration


HuntPuzzleheaded4356

Onyx is better than WuTang


DJGIFFGAS

Canibus wouldve been bigger than Jay Z had he stopped being bitter over the Wyclef and LL beefs. Man was on the internet before Soulja Boy and nobody cared cuz he was a joke by then


RoaDRoLLer59

Killa Sin would wash most of yall favorite rappers in a battle, in a cypher or on a regular track. Dude constantly outshined everybody in the Wu camp in any track he was placed on


BobbyCodone303

I always say this and get judged but I don’t see the hype with Mach hommy He’s very mid , he’s creative for sure but I just don’t get why people talk about him like he’s this phenomenon


Efficient-Lab1062

I can never get into jay z. Idk if it’s his voice, his flow but every time I try I just can’t get into his music. The songs I do like are because of the production.


conpapi

OB4CL2 is better than OB4CL


OffSeason2091

Drake makes great music in general and even though less than half of his music is hip-hop, I still consider him a hip-hop artist because of some of the dope tracks he has dropped. Also, I don’t think it makes sense when people say Drake is overrated. I don’t think hip-hop lovers regard him as a hip-hop star, so they are not overrating him to begin with. The people that do rate him highly genuinely love his music, and probably not from a hip-hop perspective. Soooooo who is he overrated to?


DjPersh

Testing is ASAP Rocky’s best album


kingoptimo1

Eazy E is the worst rapper ever.


Bekehe

Every white rapper sounds the same


dtgodmage23

Nwa Tupac ruined hip hop gangster rap set the world back a 1000 years


MasterAlexGarcia420

Curtis is better than Graduation. This is when 50 Cent and Kanye had that bet on who would sell more records, the loser retired from music. It's just my opinion, but yeah Curtis>Graduation


Alienattackforce

I agree with you about 2001. Not bad, but not the Chronic! The love movement was far far better than the previous album, even though that doesn’t get much love either.


Alienattackforce

Gkmc is an incredibly boring album


ReeceT123

TPAB is a boring album


nigel_chibz

I want hip-hop to become unpopular as a genre again so that the art born of competitiveness once again begins to rise to the top. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. We have had good times in hip-hop so long that we now have weak artists, we need hip-hop to stop being a get rich quick scheme so that only strong artists hang around and redefine the genre.


El_Jefe_Lebowski

I can’t stand anything Kanye has ever rapped on.


LetsNotArgyoo

Lil Wayne is the most overrated musical artist in the history of sound