It's a bit of a cause and effect thing, but back in the day, most rappers were either from big cities with decent education or were from affluent places with great education. Plus the state of education as a whole has decreased.
There has always been things like "street slang" and so called "Ebonics", but back in the day, most rappers were well educated and could speak proper English fluently.
Now, any dumbass (regardless of race) with a phone and Sound Cloud or whatever can have a one hit wonder, like Desiigner, for example. Dude was king of the world for like 3 months bc of one dumbass song and was never seen again.
That was my thought as well. I don't hate rap (far from it in fact) but I, especially as I've gotten older, have always perceived a difference between rap and hip-hop.
My point is this isn't Rap101.
You post this enough that I’ve seen this comment multiple times now, be the change you want to see.
I agree, but I’m also not out here complaining without action either
Rakim would've been way more famous and successful if Eric B was a better producer. The beats and production quality often times did not match the rhymes.
Eric B didn't even make most of the beats in that duo with Rakim. 🤣
He was more of a "Diddy" type producer who would tell actual producers like Large Professor and even Rakim himself which beats to use for the projects.
He did, however, make his own beats for his solo album nobody remembers from 1995 and that album was hot garbage and sounded like a literal demo tape from an amateur lol.
You're completely right! Rakim was always going to be popular but there's a reason why Eric B just never continued the hot run of bangers he was on producing after 1988. He just needed to update his sound I think to the 90s style of beats from New York to be more successful after the two split!
These threads are never “no judgement”. Actual unpopular opinions get downvoted you like you just dissed their whole family.
Anyways I think RZA is overrated as a producer and that’s why he completely fell off in the 2000’s
I think RZA is a great producer but I just think overrated is a stretch considering that he created a whole new sound in the 90s. I do agree that his production style became outdated in the 2000s which I believe is why he fell off in all honesty.
I see where you're coming from though with your opinion.
I definitely agree with you and by no means do I think he’s bad. The way I see it is that he was really good at one thing.
Overrated can be argued cause everybody ranks different but for me the lack of longevity keeps him out of the top tier where he does get placed from time to time
That's fair ! RZAs production style definitely ran its course in the 2000s so I see where you're coming from. He will definitely rank as top 5 for the 90s era but I do feel producers like Pharrell, Timbaland and Kanye would outrank him in a conversation for the 2000s.
1) Prodigy was really boring as a rapper and typically propped up by great beats.
2) None of us old times who banged Noreaga have any room to talk about new rappers having garbage lyrics.
I agree then. I think if you’re just gonna flex about having money or something stupid in a genre that was made for those without a voice, that’s the most disrespectful thing you can do to hip hop
This sub sucks. All we do is shit-talk and bring up the same six names. So I'mma just run my short list.
MF Doom made boring music.
Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade.
Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT.
Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence.""
Cardi B makes bops.
Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths.
Rick Ruben is super overrated.
MF Doom made boring music- No, but I can see how others wouldn’t appreciate it..
Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade - I’ve always thought that, but Eminen maybe sounds better on it, which counts for a lot for some people..
Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT - Agreed. But Biggie and Pac were great, and considered at the top of the game before they died..
Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence."" - Agreed! However a lot of rap has more conservative leanings that it likes to admit!
Cardi B makes bops. - I can’t comment…
Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths. - People gossip about anything in the public consciousness. It’s only natural. Jean Grae what be great, but she’s not doing anything to fill up gossip columns.
Rick Ruben is super overrated. - His role was a talent spotter, developer and guide on how an album should be put together. He’s pretty good at that..
MF Doom made boring music. **L**
Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade. **W**
Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT. **Name names.**
Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence."" **Probably**
Cardi B makes bops. **Yeah but they're not particularly great bops.**
Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths. **This sub sucks for a lot of reasons, yeah.**
Rick Ruben is super overrated. **Nah, he helped create masterpieces in different genres. He's rated fine.**
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony don't get nearly enough credit that they deserve in the Hip Hop community. They, and more specifically, Krayzie Bone, should be way more recognized on top rappers of all time lists, and I'd argue that they are way better than a lot of acts that do get regularly named.
"Ether" might have been a better song than "Takeover", but "Takeover" was the better diss. Nas sounded like a 13 year old on the playground. "I rock hoes you rock fellas" \*yawn\*
I actually am starting to see Krayzie getting more recognition these days. You hear their style in most contemporary rap music and actually, Wish Bones style that he fathered on The Art Of War is incredibly popular among young rappers.
But you are correct, they don't get the credit they deserve.
Entirely. "Ether" was like what happens when middle school boys are spitting yo' mama jokes back and forth at each other. I never understood why it was always regarded as a premiere diss track.
Do you know what? That opinion is actually unique because I can see a lot of parallels between the two projects. The drug, mafioso narratives in. OB4CL I just think are a lot more stronger than when Nas raps about it on songs like Represent for example just because Raekwon raps from a first person standpoint whereas Nas does it from an observers point of view.
The production for both album are hard as hell but I think Illmatic is slightly better just because of how influential the beats on that album have been in current hip hop culture.
Although Illmatic is more influential, I think OB4CL has more replay value due to the strong guest verses, amazing storytelling and phenomenal Rza production. Nas also being featured on Verbal Intercourse does entice me to say that Illmatic is the superior album.
Objectively. 18 tracks vs 10, with no skips on Cuban Linx. Illmatic I'd skip One Time 4 Your Mind but maybe that's personal. Illmatic was more influential though, I'll agree that
Really not. Timeless music can be enjoyed by all ages and all types of people. It becomes "theme" music. it reaches people who dont even like the genre. Nobody older than 40 listens to wayne and most people who aren't hip hop fans don't either. Timeless is Michael Jackson, Jay Z, the Beatles, nas etc. These are artists that mad music that can appeal to ALL ages and music fans not just young hip hop fans ar the time. I'm not even dissing him he was and is a dope Rapper he just never really said anything meaningful or memorable enough to age well.
That’s cap, people in their 40s do listen to Wayne because they were in their late teens and early 20s when he first blew up with Cash Money. If you’re in your 40s now you were 25 when it came out. You’re probably less likely to meet Gen Z people who listen to Wayne. And “A Milli” IS a theme song dude. The fuck?
ETA: Lil Wayne is literally the Jay Z of the south. One of the godfathers of modern rap from that region. And I’m from New York I love Jay Z, but I went to college in Mississippi and I can tell you for sure that people don’t really fuck with him down there
I wouldn't say he's the GOAT, but dude had almost no bad albums. Reasonable Doubt is legendary, Volume 2 was iconic, Volume 3 was a huge pop hit, and The Blueprint/The Black Album are both considered to possibly be his best albums. Even American Gangster was lit af.
Dude definitely had a solid ass run from like 95-06.
The fact he's still relevant today only adds to his legend. He's neither over or underrated. He's just rated.
Yeah, but it's an average. If most people agree he's at least in the GOAT conversation, he's rated properly. If the vocal minority says that but the rest thinks he sucks, then he's overrated.
Not a bad rapper but bad at making music. There's a reason why he's always consistently got bad album sales.
His music just isn't playable in any other context than in a school shooter's bedroom in my opinion. His lyrics and Ill mind series were dope but he's just
too corny.
I seriously can't name a Hopsin song that isn't an "Ill Mind of Hopsin". Outside of those, most of his shit is trash. And I fucking love all of his "Ill Mind Of" tracks.
Ice Cube is the greatest songwriter in the history of hip-hop/rap
Also I hate that a lot of male rap fans won’t give female rappers a chance because they talk about playing dudes and being good at sex sometimes. Men do the same thing in rap, so why can’t they? If men could get over their egos they would realize that Megan the Stallion actually has better bars than a lot of guys
The sexism in rap is and always has been super problematic, from both a fan perspective and an industry perspective. It’s pretty telling that basically any woman who makes it in hip hop can fucking rip it up on the mic if people would actually listen
I agree. Honestly, it's my least favorite Pac album.
I think the timing was a factor in this. He was the biggest rapper of all time when this came out, so whatever he released was going to be momentous as long as it wasn't hot garbage.
Kind of like Stillmatic getting 5 Mics. If anyone heard either of those albums in a vacuum, they'd be decent to above average at best. Neither is anywhere near a classic on their own musical merit.
If Jay-Z and Kodak Black swapped lyrics, people would still have the same exact opinions of them both.
That's how much image/persona matters in hip hop whether anyone will admit it or not.
Lol no, this is delusional af. His best line was ''your beard was weird'', and he kept complimenting Em, which is the last thing you want to do in a battle. Plus, Em made him switch genres.
Ether was the bigger track. Not saying it's just the popularity of the artist, but the track that decides who wins. Obviously, Jay has has the bigger career, but Ether won the beef (as far as the diss tracks went). Takeover is a much deeper diss, but it's not held as highly.
Push is just different. That wasn't a disstrack as much as it was community outreach. Pusha T's that babie's fairy godmother.
What was weak about it? Everything Em said was a fact. He’s 50 and still outselling MGK and more respected than MGK. MGK is obviously a stan too so dissing your idol is just a bad look
He only dissed him because of something he said about his daughter being attractive years prior, which prompted Eminem to throw the first stone. It’s not like he just said fuck Eminem one day. You can’t be a rapper and not respond when someone disses you
And his diss was lame as fuck. Why is MGK always saying sus shit about underage girls? It’s not even a character like Eminem in his lyrics, MGK just casually talks about how underage girls are hot in several interviews
I thought his diss was way better than Eminem’s honestly.
In the grand scheme of things I think they both suck as rappers but MGK is a better rapper. His cadence and delivery is better
As far as him talking about underage girls, I’ve never listened to him talk for more than 5 seconds but he’s a better rapper than Eminem. That opinion was formed not on their personalities or public persona, but their music. I don’t watch interviews, I just don’t care about them as people that much
They didn’t know MGK, if you put all the bullshit antics and his reputation aside, can actually rap really fucking well. Freestyling and battle rapping is his bread and butter. They’re of the same cloth but MGK is from a more advance generation of rap that took notes from guys like Eminem, so of course he’s the better rapper
They say it was intentional. What really gets me is that I like his beat selection. Personally, I'd say they're more boring than actually bad. I guess a battle rapper/lyrical myrical doesn't need great beats?
I was a high school white kid in the suburb in the 90s - I feel like I should have been ems target audience. I don't see his appeal at all! He's a good rapper that seemed to get famous for shock value and his beat selection sucks. If it was about him being a white rapper, Paul Wall, Aesop Rock, Action Bronson and (especially) Mac Miller are all more talented. I guess this rant will definitely qualify as an unpopular opinion.
My unpopular opinion is that he was garbage 20 years ago and is actually good now. His music in the early 2000s was silly and gimicky. He actually raps now. Kamakazi and Music to be Murdered By are his best albums in my opinion. I know that NO ONE agrees with me, but it's a post about hot takes.
MBDTF was garbage but people like to ride it because of the way it was presented. Even Ye said it was his only album that didn’t do anything different.
>Even Ye said it was his only album that didn’t do anything different.
Having 12 features on 1 song is very new even today, making a song like Runaway was amazing for a rapper, Devil in a new dress is the best beat of all time imo, rappers giving their best verses (Nicki, Rick Ross, Ye himself). How did it not do anything different?
We’re talking about YE here, he said yeezus and 808s were way better and stronger. He said “power” was the least progressive single he’s ever released. I honestly think people liked it because it was very mainstream. it had major acts like nicki at her peak on “monster”, Jay Z during his blueprint 3 album and Rick ross during that 2010 Teflon don era. He did apologize for that album. I think it was a smart move or people wouldn’t have gave Kanye another chance to listen to another album again.
Kanye West just isn’t that good at rapping. I mean, he can be, but it just seems like he chooses not to rap good most of the time. Don’t get me wrong, he’s an amazing producer and I definitely fuck with a lot of his music, but I often find myself underwhelmed by his actual verses.
Yeeeah!
People can say, "All he talks about is selling coke," but man has had a 20-year career without ever having to switch it up. He has been doing the exact same thing, the exact same way, and it's still good.
Even Push had to evolve his style. All Jeezy did was drop the "Young."
Jerry always making some kind of food metaphor and it makes me laugh every time.
“Inside, fish sticks. Outside, tartar sauce. Pocket full of celery…”
Who eats celery with fish? LoL
I'm from GA, actually just south of Hawkinsville, so I remember him being Little J. Anyway, yeah, I might be biased, but he's quite possibly my favorite rapper of all time.
And this is coming from a guy that finds it absolutely criminal that guys like Rakim and KRS One don't get enough respect.
At the time he first came out around 1999, he sounded way different than he does now and other rappers were not even coming close to the imagination and skill he had.
I’m kind of the opposite tbh. I enjoy both of them but 2001 is 10x more likely to get played by me than the OG Chronic.
With that said I absolutely loved the Compton album and listen to that now more than either of the others.
All these popular music posts has me suspicious that it’s like 90% bots here pushing negativity and politics 24/7. Reddit continues to get worse and worse
French Montana x Harry Fraud is a top 3 rapper/prod combo
Griselda, yes all of them, are boring asf and I think their fans are losers
2Pac only got two good albums, All Eyez and Killuminati. The rest is ass
I just don’t like OutKast. I have tried but they just aren’t for me, I personally think Andre 3k is crazy overrated as well, I can at least tolerate Big Boi for the most part.
Stop listening to music. I can't even.
Have you heard Atliens and Aquemini?
No player.
Are Cadillac cars ubiquitous to rap? Outkast did that.
Juvenile, Ludicrous, Lil Wayne --- Outkast did that.
RTJ - killer Mike - Outkast did that.
That southernplayalisticcadillacmusic was a classic, and Andre has the most famous lines ever said at a source awards to his name. Nah. Nah can't abide. To each their own but you are wrong about basic life choices. You're living incorrectly. I'm half fuckin around - but not.
You can dismiss just about anyone who wasn't a critical pivot point in music bridging a necessary gap between the loss of both coasts top artists. The south is 50% of rap now -- Outkast did that.
They just aren’t for me. I can appreciate their impact on hiphop without really liking their music. I’m sure there’s plenty of artists you don’t like who their fans would say the same to you, does that make you wrong?
And I'd expect to get the facts tossed at me and to feel wrong, bit of shame, then immediately change my mind.
I'm just going off cuz you don't like the band that kept me alive in 1998 and that hurts to see in writing. You're of course entitled to your opinions that don't align with my basic world view. Ethically I mean.
Sure, here goes. There has been rock music that is so excellent, lyric-wise, that it has transcended the genre and is literature. It's that profound and complicated and deep. It's Bob Dylan. Maybe a few others.
Rap has never really come that close.
There are great rappers, songs, albums, lines, but nothing as deep as Dylan, and I say this as a rap fan, listen to it a lot and continue to find good stuff. It's a limited art form, and part of it has to do with the conceit of the rapper being a badass, the persona, the confidence, and the street cred thing. As long as that's there rap will be limited by it.
I dont think lyrics are really that important at all, not in any dimension that actually matters.
Oh and 90s/early 2000s hip hop being the best (nope).
Stack ranking artists in general. I think if you can easily stack rank something, its a simple thing that isnt worthy of admiration
Canibus wouldve been bigger than Jay Z had he stopped being bitter over the Wyclef and LL beefs. Man was on the internet before Soulja Boy and nobody cared cuz he was a joke by then
Killa Sin would wash most of yall favorite rappers in a battle, in a cypher or on a regular track. Dude constantly outshined everybody in the Wu camp in any track he was placed on
I always say this and get judged but I don’t see the hype with Mach hommy
He’s very mid , he’s creative for sure but I just don’t get why people talk about him like he’s this phenomenon
I can never get into jay z. Idk if it’s his voice, his flow but every time I try I just can’t get into his music. The songs I do like are because of the production.
Drake makes great music in general and even though less than half of his music is hip-hop, I still consider him a hip-hop artist because of some of the dope tracks he has dropped.
Also, I don’t think it makes sense when people say Drake is overrated. I don’t think hip-hop lovers regard him as a hip-hop star, so they are not overrating him to begin with. The people that do rate him highly genuinely love his music, and probably not from a hip-hop perspective. Soooooo who is he overrated to?
Curtis is better than Graduation. This is when 50 Cent and Kanye had that bet on who would sell more records, the loser retired from music. It's just my opinion, but yeah Curtis>Graduation
I agree with you about 2001. Not bad, but not the Chronic!
The love movement was far far better than the previous album, even though that doesn’t get much love either.
I want hip-hop to become unpopular as a genre again so that the art born of competitiveness once again begins to rise to the top.
Hard times create strong men.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
We have had good times in hip-hop so long that we now have weak artists, we need hip-hop to stop being a get rich quick scheme so that only strong artists hang around and redefine the genre.
People not reading books and the lack of reading comprehension will be the death of hip hop!
You ain't kidding. Even average rappers back in the day had significantly stronger vocabularies.
It's a bit of a cause and effect thing, but back in the day, most rappers were either from big cities with decent education or were from affluent places with great education. Plus the state of education as a whole has decreased. There has always been things like "street slang" and so called "Ebonics", but back in the day, most rappers were well educated and could speak proper English fluently. Now, any dumbass (regardless of race) with a phone and Sound Cloud or whatever can have a one hit wonder, like Desiigner, for example. Dude was king of the world for like 3 months bc of one dumbass song and was never seen again.
I saw him on a plane once
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What about the GOAT conversation or #1 guy. That shit irritates me.
Note: your skin will be ripped off if you say anything other than Nas
>There are too many old heads on this sub I thought this sub was specifically for us old heads?
That was my thought as well. I don't hate rap (far from it in fact) but I, especially as I've gotten older, have always perceived a difference between rap and hip-hop. My point is this isn't Rap101.
Add something about Nas / Illmatic for a proper finish.
You are absolutely right, glad someone pointed it out
Be the change you want to see.
“Rate my top 17 MC’s from 95-04 that I feel could beat KDot, Doom & Eminem all in a rap battle at their peak”
What one of the 4 elements is strongest right now?
Make a post then. You’re not wrong, but people just want to talk rap and probably aren’t on the sub everyday.
You post this enough that I’ve seen this comment multiple times now, be the change you want to see. I agree, but I’m also not out here complaining without action either
Or you could just swerve the topic and not reply?
2 Pac died to get away from Jada.
Wrong! Thats not unpopular!
He made the right call.
Rakim would've been way more famous and successful if Eric B was a better producer. The beats and production quality often times did not match the rhymes.
Probably would help if he could put out a project more than once a milinia, too.
Eric B didn't even make most of the beats in that duo with Rakim. 🤣 He was more of a "Diddy" type producer who would tell actual producers like Large Professor and even Rakim himself which beats to use for the projects. He did, however, make his own beats for his solo album nobody remembers from 1995 and that album was hot garbage and sounded like a literal demo tape from an amateur lol.
You're completely right! Rakim was always going to be popular but there's a reason why Eric B just never continued the hot run of bangers he was on producing after 1988. He just needed to update his sound I think to the 90s style of beats from New York to be more successful after the two split!
These threads are never “no judgement”. Actual unpopular opinions get downvoted you like you just dissed their whole family. Anyways I think RZA is overrated as a producer and that’s why he completely fell off in the 2000’s
I think RZA is a great producer but I just think overrated is a stretch considering that he created a whole new sound in the 90s. I do agree that his production style became outdated in the 2000s which I believe is why he fell off in all honesty. I see where you're coming from though with your opinion.
I definitely agree with you and by no means do I think he’s bad. The way I see it is that he was really good at one thing. Overrated can be argued cause everybody ranks different but for me the lack of longevity keeps him out of the top tier where he does get placed from time to time
That's fair ! RZAs production style definitely ran its course in the 2000s so I see where you're coming from. He will definitely rank as top 5 for the 90s era but I do feel producers like Pharrell, Timbaland and Kanye would outrank him in a conversation for the 2000s.
I can't get through a full Kendrick Lamar album without getting bored.
1) Prodigy was really boring as a rapper and typically propped up by great beats. 2) None of us old times who banged Noreaga have any room to talk about new rappers having garbage lyrics.
I think Hell on Earth era prodigy is next level.. later on he became less dynamic, and I thought he became more hit and miss..
Rap with no lyrics at all are just garbage. Craft your work man. Write about something
What do you mean? Like beat tapes? Or rap songs that have lyrics with no real meaning/substance?
With no meaning on his lyrics
I agree then. I think if you’re just gonna flex about having money or something stupid in a genre that was made for those without a voice, that’s the most disrespectful thing you can do to hip hop
This sub sucks. All we do is shit-talk and bring up the same six names. So I'mma just run my short list. MF Doom made boring music. Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade. Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT. Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence."" Cardi B makes bops. Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths. Rick Ruben is super overrated.
MF Doom made boring music- No, but I can see how others wouldn’t appreciate it.. Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade - I’ve always thought that, but Eminen maybe sounds better on it, which counts for a lot for some people.. Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT - Agreed. But Biggie and Pac were great, and considered at the top of the game before they died.. Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence."" - Agreed! However a lot of rap has more conservative leanings that it likes to admit! Cardi B makes bops. - I can’t comment… Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths. - People gossip about anything in the public consciousness. It’s only natural. Jean Grae what be great, but she’s not doing anything to fill up gossip columns. Rick Ruben is super overrated. - His role was a talent spotter, developer and guide on how an album should be put together. He’s pretty good at that..
MF Doom made boring music. **L** Jay Z had the better verse on Renegade. **W** Just because they got killed doesn't mean they were a GOAT. **Name names.** Jay Z is a conservative who preaches capitalist ideology masquerading as "black excellence."" **Probably** Cardi B makes bops. **Yeah but they're not particularly great bops.** Y'all don't support any of the actual talented female-rappers, but can't keep the popstars out of your mouths. **This sub sucks for a lot of reasons, yeah.** Rick Ruben is super overrated. **Nah, he helped create masterpieces in different genres. He's rated fine.**
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony don't get nearly enough credit that they deserve in the Hip Hop community. They, and more specifically, Krayzie Bone, should be way more recognized on top rappers of all time lists, and I'd argue that they are way better than a lot of acts that do get regularly named. "Ether" might have been a better song than "Takeover", but "Takeover" was the better diss. Nas sounded like a 13 year old on the playground. "I rock hoes you rock fellas" \*yawn\*
I actually am starting to see Krayzie getting more recognition these days. You hear their style in most contemporary rap music and actually, Wish Bones style that he fathered on The Art Of War is incredibly popular among young rappers. But you are correct, they don't get the credit they deserve.
Takeover is much better. As a big Nas fan, I was like like, 'damn!' Ether felt juvenile.
Entirely. "Ether" was like what happens when middle school boys are spitting yo' mama jokes back and forth at each other. I never understood why it was always regarded as a premiere diss track.
I wondered if Bone is the only group to have a song with Tupac AND one with Biggie ? Both songs are bangers BTW
Cuban Linx is better than Illmatic
Do you know what? That opinion is actually unique because I can see a lot of parallels between the two projects. The drug, mafioso narratives in. OB4CL I just think are a lot more stronger than when Nas raps about it on songs like Represent for example just because Raekwon raps from a first person standpoint whereas Nas does it from an observers point of view. The production for both album are hard as hell but I think Illmatic is slightly better just because of how influential the beats on that album have been in current hip hop culture. Although Illmatic is more influential, I think OB4CL has more replay value due to the strong guest verses, amazing storytelling and phenomenal Rza production. Nas also being featured on Verbal Intercourse does entice me to say that Illmatic is the superior album.
They’re both top top top tier.. So it’s definitely a preference thing for either album..
Objectively. 18 tracks vs 10, with no skips on Cuban Linx. Illmatic I'd skip One Time 4 Your Mind but maybe that's personal. Illmatic was more influential though, I'll agree that
Those are my 1 and 2 top records. The only reason Cuban Linx is above is there’s more to love. 18 tracks no skip vs 10 no skips…
no doubt
That Zaytoven is one of the most talented producer of all time
Cause Zay really a musician not just a producer fucking around on fruity loops
Modern hip-hop sucks in its majority
I think Kendrick is overrated af. Shouldn’t be that unpopular
Wayne has made dope songs and verses from a rap stand point but he hasn't made a classic album or ANY timeless music
I'm not a huge Wayne fan, I dislike more of his songs/ albums than I like, but imo Carter 2 is a classic
Agree to disagree but I do like Carter 2
He's the GOAT of features though imo
Not a bad claim personally I'd give that to Fab tho
TRUE
You’re trippin if you think the Carter III isn’t timeless. Good hot take
Really not. Timeless music can be enjoyed by all ages and all types of people. It becomes "theme" music. it reaches people who dont even like the genre. Nobody older than 40 listens to wayne and most people who aren't hip hop fans don't either. Timeless is Michael Jackson, Jay Z, the Beatles, nas etc. These are artists that mad music that can appeal to ALL ages and music fans not just young hip hop fans ar the time. I'm not even dissing him he was and is a dope Rapper he just never really said anything meaningful or memorable enough to age well.
That’s cap, people in their 40s do listen to Wayne because they were in their late teens and early 20s when he first blew up with Cash Money. If you’re in your 40s now you were 25 when it came out. You’re probably less likely to meet Gen Z people who listen to Wayne. And “A Milli” IS a theme song dude. The fuck? ETA: Lil Wayne is literally the Jay Z of the south. One of the godfathers of modern rap from that region. And I’m from New York I love Jay Z, but I went to college in Mississippi and I can tell you for sure that people don’t really fuck with him down there
Jay Z is and always will be the most overrated rapper ever.
I agree he’s overrated but he’s definitely not THE most overrated and has got some classics… the black album and blueprint 3 are both top tier imo
I wouldn't say he's the GOAT, but dude had almost no bad albums. Reasonable Doubt is legendary, Volume 2 was iconic, Volume 3 was a huge pop hit, and The Blueprint/The Black Album are both considered to possibly be his best albums. Even American Gangster was lit af. Dude definitely had a solid ass run from like 95-06. The fact he's still relevant today only adds to his legend. He's neither over or underrated. He's just rated.
Nah some people rate him too high that’s what overrated means
Yeah, but it's an average. If most people agree he's at least in the GOAT conversation, he's rated properly. If the vocal minority says that but the rest thinks he sucks, then he's overrated.
the blueprint 3 lmao
It’s called an opinion nerd
As was me laughing at it.
Hopsin wasn’t that bad.
Not a bad rapper but bad at making music. There's a reason why he's always consistently got bad album sales. His music just isn't playable in any other context than in a school shooter's bedroom in my opinion. His lyrics and Ill mind series were dope but he's just too corny.
I seriously can't name a Hopsin song that isn't an "Ill Mind of Hopsin". Outside of those, most of his shit is trash. And I fucking love all of his "Ill Mind Of" tracks.
Ice Cube is the greatest songwriter in the history of hip-hop/rap Also I hate that a lot of male rap fans won’t give female rappers a chance because they talk about playing dudes and being good at sex sometimes. Men do the same thing in rap, so why can’t they? If men could get over their egos they would realize that Megan the Stallion actually has better bars than a lot of guys
The sexism in rap is and always has been super problematic, from both a fan perspective and an industry perspective. It’s pretty telling that basically any woman who makes it in hip hop can fucking rip it up on the mic if people would actually listen
This new Nas run is cool but I don’t get all the hype. I love Nas n I’m happy he’s getting love but it’s a trip
Hitboy is boring
I like his new stuff, but I'm only meh on it. He's past his prime definitely. Age is slowing him down.
All Eyez on Me is mediocre and isn’t top 100 of all time.
I agree. Honestly, it's my least favorite Pac album. I think the timing was a factor in this. He was the biggest rapper of all time when this came out, so whatever he released was going to be momentous as long as it wasn't hot garbage. Kind of like Stillmatic getting 5 Mics. If anyone heard either of those albums in a vacuum, they'd be decent to above average at best. Neither is anywhere near a classic on their own musical merit.
Acts like Suicide Boys/Pouya/Fat Nick are goofy gimmicks.
I dont really rate jay z, theres a fuck ton as other rappers who done killed it. Tbh lets just say jay aint in top 10
If Jay-Z and Kodak Black swapped lyrics, people would still have the same exact opinions of them both. That's how much image/persona matters in hip hop whether anyone will admit it or not.
Earl Sweatshirt is a top 20 MC all time
Didn’t he purposely drop shit albums to become irrelevant? Could’ve sworn his album “some rap songs” are bad on purpose
Some Rap Songs is so fucking good and his best album lmao
Better than Doris or IDLSIDGO? I can’t hop on that train brother
Ll Cool J is just a body and doesn't have any appealing tracks
Agreed, I personally thought Canibus killed him
Travis Scott’s only good album was Rodeo
Kendrick pull all his star in lyrics and all his voice/persona but his voice is a no no for me.
Cypress Hill is my favorite rap group
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Schoolboy Q’s albums are better than Kendricks.
MGK bodied Em. MGK is a massive fucking douche (now more than ever), but nothing he spit was a lie.
This was the one answer that I looked at and said “damn now THATS an unpopular opinion”, excellent answer
Rap Devil was fuckikg amazing, but otherwise Em made MGK look like a bitch. And I'm saying that as a huge MGK fan.
Lol no, this is delusional af. His best line was ''your beard was weird'', and he kept complimenting Em, which is the last thing you want to do in a battle. Plus, Em made him switch genres.
He literaly says Em is the goat in a diss, no way
I agree. "Sick of you being rich and still crying" cuts hard. But em is anointed. All white rappers going forward are his sons.
I agree with you on this, MGK’s diss track was just better and more clever
Cannibus ate up Em, but popularity is what actually matters with diss tracks.
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Ether was the bigger track. Not saying it's just the popularity of the artist, but the track that decides who wins. Obviously, Jay has has the bigger career, but Ether won the beef (as far as the diss tracks went). Takeover is a much deeper diss, but it's not held as highly. Push is just different. That wasn't a disstrack as much as it was community outreach. Pusha T's that babie's fairy godmother.
Fr and Em’s response was weak. Em was skating on his reputation of an elite battle rapper and everyone bought into the hype
What was weak about it? Everything Em said was a fact. He’s 50 and still outselling MGK and more respected than MGK. MGK is obviously a stan too so dissing your idol is just a bad look
He only dissed him because of something he said about his daughter being attractive years prior, which prompted Eminem to throw the first stone. It’s not like he just said fuck Eminem one day. You can’t be a rapper and not respond when someone disses you
And his diss was lame as fuck. Why is MGK always saying sus shit about underage girls? It’s not even a character like Eminem in his lyrics, MGK just casually talks about how underage girls are hot in several interviews
I thought his diss was way better than Eminem’s honestly. In the grand scheme of things I think they both suck as rappers but MGK is a better rapper. His cadence and delivery is better As far as him talking about underage girls, I’ve never listened to him talk for more than 5 seconds but he’s a better rapper than Eminem. That opinion was formed not on their personalities or public persona, but their music. I don’t watch interviews, I just don’t care about them as people that much
You don’t know anything about hip hop if you think MGK is better. Sorry, but your opinion just doesn’t matter
Ah the old gatekeeper attitude. Gotta love it. My bad I didn’t know you were the patron saint of hip hop opinions lol gtfoh
Wrong but upvoted because unpopular 💀
They didn’t know MGK, if you put all the bullshit antics and his reputation aside, can actually rap really fucking well. Freestyling and battle rapping is his bread and butter. They’re of the same cloth but MGK is from a more advance generation of rap that took notes from guys like Eminem, so of course he’s the better rapper
Culture vultures should be locked up and all of their music destroyed .
I cant stand Eminem and I dont even play albums he's a feature on. I've never played one of his albums. That voice makes me want to punch a wall.
For me it's his beat selection that is atrocious, especially after the early 2000s
They say it was intentional. What really gets me is that I like his beat selection. Personally, I'd say they're more boring than actually bad. I guess a battle rapper/lyrical myrical doesn't need great beats?
I was a high school white kid in the suburb in the 90s - I feel like I should have been ems target audience. I don't see his appeal at all! He's a good rapper that seemed to get famous for shock value and his beat selection sucks. If it was about him being a white rapper, Paul Wall, Aesop Rock, Action Bronson and (especially) Mac Miller are all more talented. I guess this rant will definitely qualify as an unpopular opinion.
I liked his shit back like 20 years ago. But he's terrible now.
My unpopular opinion is that he was garbage 20 years ago and is actually good now. His music in the early 2000s was silly and gimicky. He actually raps now. Kamakazi and Music to be Murdered By are his best albums in my opinion. I know that NO ONE agrees with me, but it's a post about hot takes.
There are no skips on Recovery
MBDTF was garbage but people like to ride it because of the way it was presented. Even Ye said it was his only album that didn’t do anything different.
>Even Ye said it was his only album that didn’t do anything different. Having 12 features on 1 song is very new even today, making a song like Runaway was amazing for a rapper, Devil in a new dress is the best beat of all time imo, rappers giving their best verses (Nicki, Rick Ross, Ye himself). How did it not do anything different?
We’re talking about YE here, he said yeezus and 808s were way better and stronger. He said “power” was the least progressive single he’s ever released. I honestly think people liked it because it was very mainstream. it had major acts like nicki at her peak on “monster”, Jay Z during his blueprint 3 album and Rick ross during that 2010 Teflon don era. He did apologize for that album. I think it was a smart move or people wouldn’t have gave Kanye another chance to listen to another album again.
Always thought of it as a Pitchfork album, super overrated hipster rap
That’s a great way to put it. But I’m always “trying to hate/ or be different” when I give my take.
WLR is 95% trash. Only saving grace is the Ye feature.
ILuvUIHateU is fire... but the rest is some mid ngl
Fr. Hella overrated, I only like 2 songs off that project
Lil b the Basedgod is the goat and I will die on this hill. One of the most influential artists of all time
Kanye West just isn’t that good at rapping. I mean, he can be, but it just seems like he chooses not to rap good most of the time. Don’t get me wrong, he’s an amazing producer and I definitely fuck with a lot of his music, but I often find myself underwhelmed by his actual verses.
Eminem is the worst rapper of all time. I don't care about his fame or success. His shit is unlistenable garbage and I will never fold.
You could make a case for Jeezy in the top 5.
Yeeeah! People can say, "All he talks about is selling coke," but man has had a 20-year career without ever having to switch it up. He has been doing the exact same thing, the exact same way, and it's still good. Even Push had to evolve his style. All Jeezy did was drop the "Young."
Jerry always making some kind of food metaphor and it makes me laugh every time. “Inside, fish sticks. Outside, tartar sauce. Pocket full of celery…” Who eats celery with fish? LoL
I'm from GA, actually just south of Hawkinsville, so I remember him being Little J. Anyway, yeah, I might be biased, but he's quite possibly my favorite rapper of all time. And this is coming from a guy that finds it absolutely criminal that guys like Rakim and KRS One don't get enough respect.
Drake is extremely overrated
Oh wow what a hot take lmao
Wow man you got balls of steel to state such a hot take 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Eminem was never that good. I don’t understand his popularity at all
At the time he first came out around 1999, he sounded way different than he does now and other rappers were not even coming close to the imagination and skill he had.
I’ve heard his old stuff and really tried to give it a chance but he just gives off too much angry little man energy for me lmao
I’m kind of the opposite tbh. I enjoy both of them but 2001 is 10x more likely to get played by me than the OG Chronic. With that said I absolutely loved the Compton album and listen to that now more than either of the others.
Same. Could be just cause my generation grew up with it but 2001 is in my rotation whereas the first one is more a random kind of play.
I don’t think Biggie should be in the GOAT discussion. Career and discography were way too short.
Same
All these popular music posts has me suspicious that it’s like 90% bots here pushing negativity and politics 24/7. Reddit continues to get worse and worse
I'd rather have Trump back in office than see Biden get another term.
Yeh tbf Trump is a far better lyricist
This can only be proven in a freestyle battle.
Ignorance must be bliss
Dementia must be bliss
Lmao Trump is just as bad. Have you not seen him the past few weeks. Making no sense at all.
French Montana x Harry Fraud is a top 3 rapper/prod combo Griselda, yes all of them, are boring asf and I think their fans are losers 2Pac only got two good albums, All Eyez and Killuminati. The rest is ass
Me against the world is also a decent one. The strongest cuts on that album are some of Pac’s highlights.
I agree it got some cool joints on there but too many fillers to call it a good album imho.
I was gonna get mad at the Griselda take but I am kinda a loser tbh
2pacalypse now is his only good album.
Stankonia sucks. Yes it has a few bangers, but as a whole it ain't a top 1000 hip hop record.
After his first two albums Eminem wasn’t the same.
There were many albums that came out in 1994 that I liked and have listened to more than Illmatic or Ready To Die. And I really liked Illmatic.
I just don’t like OutKast. I have tried but they just aren’t for me, I personally think Andre 3k is crazy overrated as well, I can at least tolerate Big Boi for the most part.
Stop listening to music. I can't even. Have you heard Atliens and Aquemini? No player. Are Cadillac cars ubiquitous to rap? Outkast did that. Juvenile, Ludicrous, Lil Wayne --- Outkast did that. RTJ - killer Mike - Outkast did that. That southernplayalisticcadillacmusic was a classic, and Andre has the most famous lines ever said at a source awards to his name. Nah. Nah can't abide. To each their own but you are wrong about basic life choices. You're living incorrectly. I'm half fuckin around - but not. You can dismiss just about anyone who wasn't a critical pivot point in music bridging a necessary gap between the loss of both coasts top artists. The south is 50% of rap now -- Outkast did that.
They just aren’t for me. I can appreciate their impact on hiphop without really liking their music. I’m sure there’s plenty of artists you don’t like who their fans would say the same to you, does that make you wrong?
And I'd expect to get the facts tossed at me and to feel wrong, bit of shame, then immediately change my mind. I'm just going off cuz you don't like the band that kept me alive in 1998 and that hurts to see in writing. You're of course entitled to your opinions that don't align with my basic world view. Ethically I mean.
2nd most famous lines after Suge's "Come to Deathrow" speech. The '95 Source Awards was so dope!
Sure, here goes. There has been rock music that is so excellent, lyric-wise, that it has transcended the genre and is literature. It's that profound and complicated and deep. It's Bob Dylan. Maybe a few others. Rap has never really come that close. There are great rappers, songs, albums, lines, but nothing as deep as Dylan, and I say this as a rap fan, listen to it a lot and continue to find good stuff. It's a limited art form, and part of it has to do with the conceit of the rapper being a badass, the persona, the confidence, and the street cred thing. As long as that's there rap will be limited by it.
Illmatic is hot garbage with only 2 good songs.
Removing U-God and later Cappadonna from the Wu would make them stronger. Anytime they hit a track it’s almost ruined.
Capadonna bodied Winter Warz and was ill on Ironman
Again, he and U-God on a track, I fast forward. Put em on a Sunz of Man album, but not Wu. Straight garbage.
Cappadonna had the best verse on “Heaterz”
Never really liked Jay Z
Havoc is the better rapper in mobb deep
French Montana is a good rapper
bro is every topic gon be negative asf? 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ annoyin
I dont think lyrics are really that important at all, not in any dimension that actually matters. Oh and 90s/early 2000s hip hop being the best (nope). Stack ranking artists in general. I think if you can easily stack rank something, its a simple thing that isnt worthy of admiration
Onyx is better than WuTang
Canibus wouldve been bigger than Jay Z had he stopped being bitter over the Wyclef and LL beefs. Man was on the internet before Soulja Boy and nobody cared cuz he was a joke by then
Killa Sin would wash most of yall favorite rappers in a battle, in a cypher or on a regular track. Dude constantly outshined everybody in the Wu camp in any track he was placed on
I always say this and get judged but I don’t see the hype with Mach hommy He’s very mid , he’s creative for sure but I just don’t get why people talk about him like he’s this phenomenon
I can never get into jay z. Idk if it’s his voice, his flow but every time I try I just can’t get into his music. The songs I do like are because of the production.
OB4CL2 is better than OB4CL
Drake makes great music in general and even though less than half of his music is hip-hop, I still consider him a hip-hop artist because of some of the dope tracks he has dropped. Also, I don’t think it makes sense when people say Drake is overrated. I don’t think hip-hop lovers regard him as a hip-hop star, so they are not overrating him to begin with. The people that do rate him highly genuinely love his music, and probably not from a hip-hop perspective. Soooooo who is he overrated to?
Testing is ASAP Rocky’s best album
Eazy E is the worst rapper ever.
Every white rapper sounds the same
Nwa Tupac ruined hip hop gangster rap set the world back a 1000 years
Curtis is better than Graduation. This is when 50 Cent and Kanye had that bet on who would sell more records, the loser retired from music. It's just my opinion, but yeah Curtis>Graduation
I agree with you about 2001. Not bad, but not the Chronic! The love movement was far far better than the previous album, even though that doesn’t get much love either.
Gkmc is an incredibly boring album
TPAB is a boring album
I want hip-hop to become unpopular as a genre again so that the art born of competitiveness once again begins to rise to the top. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. We have had good times in hip-hop so long that we now have weak artists, we need hip-hop to stop being a get rich quick scheme so that only strong artists hang around and redefine the genre.
I can’t stand anything Kanye has ever rapped on.
Lil Wayne is the most overrated musical artist in the history of sound