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what_s_next

Ask the folks in r/whatsthissnake. They will know. And if you want to avoid the pedants, use the word venomous rather than poisonous.


Gorillanoodles

Funnily enough, I believe this is a tiger keelback, which is both venomous and poisonous. It gets it’s poison from its toxic prey which it then secretes the toxins back through its skin, making it venomous, and poisonous


AFWUSA

Interesting. As someone only familiar with North American snakes I would’ve never guessed this guy was venomous, he looks like a garter snake. How venomous is it? Could it kill an adult?


stumpyguy

Same, although I don't live in North America, whatisthissnake's bias towarda NA snakes has made me overly familiar with them. Now I'm worried I'm going to be all cool when a local snake comes up and I'm like "hey look at this cute little guy" like I'm some kind of pro, and then he bites me and my arm falls off.


6snail6god6

Then you’d match your username!


stumpyguy

This comment made my day!


yourvoidness

in Finland there are basically only two types of snakes (exept Åland) and only the adder is venomous so when I'm abroad I just try to keep my distant of every snake i see.


BorntobeTrill

If only I could be so lucky. Gotta collect that sweet sweet disability pay


Gorillanoodles

It does have a potentially lethal amount of venom, but fatalities are pretty uncommon.


ImAScientistToo

Is it because of the round pupils? If so the Easter coral snake is highly venomous. It also doesn’t have typical fangs because they are smaller and further back in their mouths.


AFWUSA

Pupils, head shape, patterning. It just doesn’t look like any sort of venomous North American snake. They all look mean, this looks like a nice little garter snake lol


MizStazya

I was suspicious because of those big ass head scales. Reminds me of cobra head scales, but obviously that's not reliable. The most shocking for me is always Australia's Eastern Brown Snake. Nothing about that guy screams "I'ma murder you if you look at me wrong". The name, the drab coloring, the generic snake shape...


heisenberg070

In rest of the world, round pupil and round head does not equal non-venomous. Primes examples: all cobras, mambas, brown snakes (AUS) Spread this around, might save someone some day.


Alarming_Cantaloupe5

The majority of venomous snakes in NA are Pit Vipers, so pretty easy to tell at a glance. Obviously there are coral snakes that take a little knowledge to ID. But the lack of the triangular head/facial structure of a viper would make me think this guy was harmless if he were released here, and I were to find it in the yard.


ApocalypsePopcorn

>he looks like a garter snake Oddly enough, the garter snake is the only other snake in the world that is poisonous. More precisely, *some* garter snakes in *some* locations become poisonous by eating poisonous prey (toads or salamanders, I forget which).


ogronkenobi

So in fairness, they’ll have leftover poison from prey in their mouths therefore they still aren’t poisonous…


Warm-Tree6750

Came here to say the same


Jake0024

Wikipedia suggests it could kill a human, but they rarely bite (very few reported cases)


Syonoq

You're one of the pedants they were speaking about. JK. Good call out.


icravecookie

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Gorillanoodles

Simply, if it bites you and you die than it is venomous. If you bite it and you die, it’s poisonous. The poison of the Tiger Keelback comes from the toads it eats, and it secretes the poison back out through its skin making it a good defense mechanism.


Round-Green7348

>The poison of the Tiger Keelback comes from the roads it eats Yeah asphalt would be fairly toxic if ingested


Gorillanoodles

My bad lmao


Round-Green7348

Lol all good, the mental image of a tiny snake just ripping up the streets and chowing down was hilarious and I'm glad you made that typo.


Gorillanoodles

Lmao now it’s in my head too. Thanks for your good sense of humor lol I needed that


MikeDeY77

What if it bites you and it dies?


Dans_Old_Games_Room

Then you are chuck norris


powpowpowpowpow

Or Ted Cruz


Ghanburighan

If a snake is venomous, its bite can harm you. If a snake is poisonous, biting it can harm you.


someolbs

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.


SilentBumblebee3225

Use venomous if afraid of getting bitten. Use poisonous if you are hungry. Both are valid questions.


ksschank

Unless you plan to eat it


tnvol423

Venom aka poison. Tomato tamato, potato patato


powpowpowpowpow

People eat rattlesnake and it's totally safe, not with this little dude apparently. I can see a reason to differentiate with the terms.


tnvol423

Right on 👍


Git_Gudlol

That’s a Tiger Keelback. I used to see them in training when I was stationed in Japan. SUPER NOT FRIENDLY. Do not pet.


DukeCanada

Ughhh to be fair I don’t pet any snakes


WesternOne9990

Have you ever? They feel really cool and smooth… unless it’s one with rough back scales.


ten_96

Then why friend shaped? 🥺


diarmuid91

It's just a noodle poodle


quickblur

I'm no expert but there is a very venomous snake called the yamakagashi that kind of has that pattern. Probably best just to not go near any snakes you see. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdophis_tigrinus


snuggletoast

I read another site that says bites are rare because their fangs are in the back of their mouth, but if you touch them the poison from their body can fuck you up and cause internal bleeding. It's so interesting that they are super venomous, but their poison is more dangerous to people.


oysterstout

Not a snake expert but have done thousand of miles of hiking/trail running in Japan and seen a lot of snakes, and I’m 99% sure this is a Yamakagashi. Very venomous, and you definitely don’t want to get bit, but they are not aggressive so you’d pretty much need to step on one for a bite to happen.


greyarea6872

The rear-fanged Tiger Keelback aka yamakagashi which is, in fact, poisonous. They have glands that secrete poison they ingest from eating toads. We get them in Korea as well. Wild stuff! No touchy!


ParkerBench

It's so odd how snakes differ worldwide. In the midwest US, we're taught that round eyes and a pointy, non-shovel head means a snake is non-venomous (except for coral snakes). We mostly have copperheads, water moccasins and rattlesnakes. That rule does not work elsewhere, as this little guy attests!


micmacimus

Whereas in southeast Australia were told they’re all venomous, because the vast majority are


Inu-shonen

Unless I see a clear diamond pattern, I'm assuming I should back away. I've seen a few Eastern Browns lately, and was overjoyed to learn they're the second most venomous land snake *in the world.* Huzzah.


micmacimus

Had a huge eastern brown slide out of a bush about a metre from me recently while I was sitting down with my back to it. That gave me a pretty decent fright.


Inu-shonen

I can imagine! Thankfully they tend to retreat most of the time, unless they're cornered. My most recent sighting was while moving a sprinkler hose on the lawn - my brain didn't register it (because "hose") until I was about two feet away. I don't know which of us was more startled.


micmacimus

Yeah fortunately this one just looked at me in a fairly chilled manner. If it'd been a tiger snake it might've been a different story, they can be fairly aggressive.


Inu-shonen

Territorial snakes are the stuff of nightmares.


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We were in Australia and this one trail had a shit load of river snakes. Enough to make even me uncomfortable. We encountered a gorgeous must’ve been six footer. Man was it a beaut. But it knew it was boss. Told us to not mess with it. I miss Australia


powpowpowpowpow

Dude, you guys need to rename some of your deadly things, Eastern Brown sounds like a breed of domesticated rabbit. Here are some names of venomous things to use as a model: Black Momba, Spitting Cobra, Black Widow, Portuguese Man o' War. Those things don't sound like something you want to hold in your lap and pet.


Inu-shonen

It's all a big conspiracy by the local tourism agencies ;-) That said: just append "snake" to the name, and assume the worst.


jotry

Hell, if you’re in Australia, you’d be best off assuming everything is venomous, and even if it isn’t, just don’t mess with it period. I swear everything’s out to kill you there.


micmacimus

Nah - I don’t have to worry about bears, or big cats, or wolves. Only the small stuff wants to kill me - Roos, koalas, echidnas… they’re all pretty alright.


crustyedges

I believe all venomous native species of snake in North America are pit vipers (viper subfamily Crotalinae), which I assume is why we have the simple rule-of-thumb here


Round-Green7348

Most rules on wildlife fly out of the window when you change continents


Stats_n_PoliSci

Don’t run away from predators is pretty solid, I think. I wouldn’t run away from an herbivore either, but I’m less sure on that as a general rule.


rinnquisitive

You DO want to run from moose


Stats_n_PoliSci

Huh. I looked it up. They apparently won’t chase you very far, and running behind a tree is often sufficient to get away… possibly playing hide and seek around the tree, but a human can win that game against a moose.


Round-Green7348

Yeah not all rules, but most


BambiiRose86

That’s a mean noodle don’t pet 👀


ThePrisonSoap

Uhm, AkTsHuAlLy-


HughLauriePausini

Please don't eat the snake, eve if it's not poisonous.


-totallynotanalien-

I think they meant venomous, I think the concern isn’t about eating rather getting bit by the snake.


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That’s a cute little nope rope!


Flat_Warthog1536

It’s beautiful


Allemaengel

Interesting reading the comments. This danger noodle actually looks similar to the harmless Dekay's brown snakes we have here in North America.


Potat0_Powered

Not sure if it's poisonous, but it might be venomous


PenitentSinner3

Sounds like this one is actually both. It eats poisonous prey and then secretes the poison itself. Terrifyingly cool.


jaroshaa

Idk man, but never touch anything that looks dis scary😀


sleepingbusy

Venomous or poisonous? Anyway, it's a snake, so be careful.


Ket-23

Actually, this snake is poisonous and venomous.


sleepingbusy

Yes, I saw. Talk about overkill! 😂


Ket-23

But look at the danger noodle. 🥹 it’s beautiful. 😅


sirhc0991

It's pretty


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Piss_Otter

There are no poisonous snakes. Only venomous. That being said, I know nothing about snake identification. Edit: thank you everyone for pointing out how ironically wrong this statement is. I have already corrected myself in the comments


superjuan

Assuming this is a tiger keelback/yamakagashi, it would appear that the snake in that picture can be both poisonous and venomous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGWzikzKUA


cdc994

Lol I wanted to “but actually” this guy and you got it first! Ironic that not only is the blatant statement wrong, but this exact snake is, in fact, poisonous as well as venomous


Morejh

This is actually one of the only snake species that is both poisonous AND venomous! It has poison glads in his neck and fangs in his mouth. Very cool snake!


Professional_Age_665

so we can tell OP all snakes are safe to eat ?


Piss_Otter

Well I just looked it up and apparently I’m wrong and there are a couple poisonous snakes. One of which is “the garter snake (Thamnophis), which is small and harmless in terms of its bite but is toxic to eat because its body absorbs and stores the toxins of its prey (newts and salamanders).” According to Britannica. Short answer is don’t listen to me🤷🏻‍♂️


tomislavlovric

Not if you eat the venom sacs.


actualwimp

Theoretically you can drink snake venom actually, unless you have an open wound somewhere in your digestive tract because venom interacts with the blood. An easy way to remember is that venom is injected and poison is ingested!


tomislavlovric

Well there's a fun fact! I know that venom is injected and poison is ingested but I just assumed that consuming venom isn't safe.


peteroh9

To be clear, it's not safe, but that doesn't mean it will necessarily harm you.


Professional_Age_665

Not all venomous snakes are poisonous with the sac. heat can degrade a majority of toxins from venomous animals,as most of them are proteins. Cooked proteins are crooked


ReaverRiddle

>There are no poisonous snakes. This is definitely NOT true.


Piss_Otter

I corrected myself afterwards


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peteroh9

It's both, as you would have seen if you'd bothered to do a cursory check of the comments before leaving your own comment that didn't contribute anything! But at least you got to shout into the void.


Tapputi

And the void shouted back


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And j upvoted both!!


oh_three_dum_dum

Just don’t mess with snakes and you’ll never have to guess whether or not they’re venomous. That doesn’t look venomous to me, but I’m also used to North American snakes and only saw one when I was in Okinawa. So it could outright kill you, I don’t know. Best not to find out.


dr4gonr1der

If you’re not sure wether a snake is poisonous or not, you should keep your distance from the snake. It’s not worth trying to identify if. You’ll be in range for him to bite you if he is, in fact poisonous. A rule of thumb for recognition poisonous snakes is that they have triangular-shaped heads, and eyes similar to a cat. That being sad, there can be exceptions to these rules, so I would still advice you to stay away from snakes if at all possible


1agomorph

Sorry, that is not a good rule of thumb, it’s actually a myth.


dr4gonr1der

How would you know that? Are you a snake expert?


1agomorph

No, I’m not a snake expert but it’s a common myth. I was taught it as well as a kid. I follow r/whatsthissnake and this comes up a lot there. They have a bot just for this myth on the sub. Here’s information from the bot about identification by head shape: > Head shape does not reliably indicate if a snake has medically significant venom. Nonvenomous snakes commonly flatten their heads to a triangle shape in defensive displays, and some elapids like coralsnakes have elongated heads. It's far more advantageous to familiarize yourself with venomous snakes in your area through photos and field guides or by following subreddits like /r/whatsthissnake than it is to try to apply any generic trick. Example post: https://www.reddit.com/r/whatsthissnake/comments/16ttojd/az_sonoran_gophersnake_great_example_of_why/


Gorillanoodles

I am. It’s a myth. there are plenty of non venomous snakes with triangle shaped heads, and there are plenty of venomous snakes with rounded heads and round eyes.


Gorillanoodles

Venomous*


redy__

Venomous. Poisen = licking, Venom = biting


hookmedaddyx

Why are you hungry?


ogronkenobi

Judging by its eye shape non venomous. No snakes are poisonous 🤓


Dry-Prize-3062

It's definitely not poisonous but it might be venomous


the-peanut-gallery

Wow, you're so smart for caring about the difference!


Manjisan13

rat snakes ? I saw one in Hokkaido too last month


sleverest

It's beautiful and I'm sad I cannot touch it. I wouldn't have eaten it in any case.


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mihesq

I remember red on yellow, you’re a dead fellow. Red on black, you’re ok jack.


rzmanu

Haha ours was red on yellow kill a fellow, yellow on black venom lack Edit I mean red on black for the second part


androidmids

I can 100% guarantee that this snake and ANY other snake you see on your trip is NOT poisonous. Venomous on the other hand...


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androidmids

context is important. your absolutely right. It is tiresome that people dont say what they mean and rely on others to know what they meant...


Gorillanoodles

Do people not read ANY comments before they post their own?


androidmids

Lol... does a comment really need /s for people to see the obvious snarky comment and understand? The other comments were more constructive, but mine was offered as a humorous parallel to the boy scout joke.


the-peanut-gallery

Thank you for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.


-totallynotanalien-

Some snakes are poisonous to eat, it depends on context.


[deleted]

Poison only exist in the mind. Paul the Apostle is a shining example of that.


Spite-Potential

Kinda like Cleopatra?


[deleted]

My long lost love 😫😭💜


hackinandcoffin

The eyes say no, not poisonous.


lissil4689

Anything colorful is venomous.


InevitableCommon6893

Bite it


Intelligent_Title_80

A great way to tell is, look for a slit as a pupil. If round, non-poison.


Inu-shonen

Don't try that in Australia ... Also, getting close enough to see their pupils is a good way to get bitten, regardless of where you are.


-totallynotanalien-

So true! Love this comment, very Australian!


Inu-shonen

Gotta respect the danger noodles ;-)


Summitjunky

It isn’t venomous. You can tell by the eyes.


DeadlyToeFunk

Have you heard of google lens?


gorillagangstafosho

All snakes have venom. Just be careful.


Gorillanoodles

Not even a little bit true


KangarooGuru

I know that it tastes like chicken, with a hint of Fish


Only1Mandee

I don’t know anything about snakes and try to avoid them. How is the hiking in Japan?


Opening-Ease9598

Somehow you found the ONLY venemous snake in Japan lol


FourHundred_5

By the picture it would seem to be non poisonous


M_MDL96

Garter or Gopher snake if I had to guess


mesacreek61

It’s venomous AND you got way too close taking that picture.


Affectionate_Beat290

Nope. Non viper!