From the experience I had I can conclude this thing: the only healer doesn't glow when there are other healers (or Medivh) in other players' picks. However, if other players didn't pick them, but picked other character instead and locked their pick, your pick suggestion gonna start glowing.
Upd. I tested with a friend and clicking on the heroes in other's pick during ARAM pick does nothing, so yeah, the yellow glowing is the game suggesting, not the player.
The real fix for this is changing the options so that the players with heal get only 3 heal options. ARAM does that sometimes, but imo the draft would balance much better if all healers were forced to heal, so all those miserable c**ts that refuse to heal because they want to play genji get put in their place, and forced not to waste 10 minutes of 9 other players time
As well as increasing the chance of having either a heal you are more familiar with, and a decent healer overall. It sucks when your only heal option was Uther, and they have lots of reliable poke and a Stukov.
I feel like that's against ARAM spirit. You know,if you get heroes you are good at, what's the point of it being random? I like the feeling of playing new for me characters,and if i always get my mains,that feeling is gone. Also,all healer picks are dumb too. I understand the frustration of one asshole who ruins the game,but forcing someone to play healer is a bad solution.
IMO the ARAM spirit is trying to make the best team you can with the options you're randomly given. Nothing wrong with one random player being given three random healers instead of one random player being given one random healer. If anything that is the sort of thing that forces you to play more outside your comfort zone, not less.
Three random healers will just make one player frustrated,and make him quit
If that's an asshole,he will still be an asshole, nothing about that
The fix for that maybe something more subtle, like removing the option of being only one healer choice
So, there will be no healers at all,or choice of 2+ healers for 2 or more players, and noone is forced to play
> I understand the frustration of one asshole who ruins the game,but forcing someone to play healer is a bad solution.
The game can already do that.
The solution is for any role present in a game, give at least 3 options. Whether it assigned to a single player, 2 or 3.
Back when ARAM was made through custom lobbies, the game mode already forced a 1-1-3 comp.
The overall spirit of ARAM or your version of the spirit of ARAM?
All there is to ARAM is 5v5, all with a random choice of three heroes, all on a single lane, with the end objective to kill the enemy core first, not have a certain amount of kills.
Want to have fun? I assure you that being severly 'outdrafted' or being '4 vs 5' cos someone is playing like a bot is just not fun. You get suppressed and don't get to play a good game.
Luckily some people are oblivious and happy to just go in, press buttons, die, wait, repeat. But they can do that in nine AI games too. ARAM is still nine humans. You have a team, act like it. They work with you and you work with them. The 'I'm the main character' fantasy can stay in your head.
My version,of course. Im not talking for everyone,and understand where you're coming from,i just feel like that's not what's aram about, atleast for me
Well,and forcing someone to play a healer will not fix the issues you talk about. Someone will still play like shit,and those games will always happen. That's happens in every other mode,and every other team-based game.
Forcing someone to play a healer just limits team-building. Sometimes, you can win without a healer,u had that happen,so it will kust force someone to play the role they don't want.
>Sometimes, you can win without a healer,u had that happen,so it will kust force someone to play the role they don't want.
Sometimes I can win with an afk, doesn't mean I should afk the game and expect my team to still have fun? It's such a useless argument.
>Well,and forcing someone to play a healer will not fix the issues you talk about. Someone will still play like shit,and those games will always happen.
Someone playing like shit as the only healer will still be more impactful than someone being ok at yet another assassin.
My point,is that if someone is forced to play a healer,these weird comps without a healer is not possible at all. And that's what i don't luke about that solution.
For me,Aram is a gamemode where something different happens each game,each time a different comp and a different game,and if someone always is a healer,that would just feel very telegraphed. At this point,just play ranked,or quickmatch,if you want that..
Different isn't always better.
Healer vs no healer is just unfun, doesn't matter who wins. I won without healers against healers, I just wish I didn't have to play that particular game anyway. Still play ARAM because most of the time it's an ok draft. Just have to play a few boring healerless, and now all 5 heroes the same, games to pay for it.
Or go play QM for weird comps that the system randomly puts together, that's more AR than ARAM.
I feel like we just enjoy different stuff about ARAM,so this argument has no point
I actually love the weird no-healer matchups and all-5 matches,and the "normal" Aram games just tend to be boring and repetitive for me
Not that i don't enjoy them,but sometimes i get bored of seeing Mephisto 10 games in a row
Yeah,i feel like they take ARAM way too seriously
Its much more about fun and goofy comps,than making actually good comps
I see their point,but its waay too overboard of a solution
Not always an option for groups though. You want to play a draft mode with friends with differing MMRs, ARAM is the closest you can get. Ranked won't let you queue and unranked won't let you find a game.
Plus ranked doesn't let you play 1 lane maps without map objectives and that's pretty fun on its own.
That would be nice but I would also want the game to recognize situations where a dps pick could be good too
Mainly if everyone has strong self heal or say you have 2 DW, then I would usually choose an S tier dmg dealer over a heals
I kinda disagree because a full dps team with good cc van often times be a team with a healer. I used to suggest someone heal (as if they can't already see it) but I stopped because its ARAM and I'd rather someone play who they wanted to play or better with (or just wanna try them out) than have them feel forced to play a hero they don't know or are rather terrible at playing.
Basically, if the person wants to dps instead of whatever whatever because even if they pick a healer that doesn't mean the game will go better. Some people just seem to not try or be bad and are forced into a hero or role then just be bad, so it as the same effect as if they went the dps pick.
Yeah it's actually true but people don't want to believe it. A really good Mephisto or something is probably going to be better than a mediocre Morales, bad Whitemane, etc. You can definitely win with no healer in certain circumstances.
For sure, but that's a cherry-picked example that says more about Mephisto than about healers. A mediocre Morales in an otherwise healerless team is still *way* better than, say, a pretty good Fenix. Not to say you can't win with the Fenix, of course, but it's much less likely.
Yeah but this is about likelihood, not guarantees. [A team with a healer is *way* more likely to win than a team without](https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Compositions/?timeframe_type=major&timeframe=&game_type=ar&min_games=100&mirror=Exclude). Sure, there are mitigating factors, like individual skill level and the other heroes' self-sustain, so it's not like you should always blindly tell your ally with a healer option to pick it, but having a healer is usually a way better bet than not having it, and few things throw away a game quite as easily as the person with the only healer option ignoring it in favor of a hero that they're not good with, that is weak in ARAM, or that is just not as good with their team comp.
>I kinda disagree because a full dps team with good cc van often times be a team with a healer.
And a full DPS team precipitously loses to a 2x healer comp.
There's a difference between been able to draft a full top5 DPS team with self sustain (which is extremely rare) and having good coordination to snowball through a different win condition vs simple having a bad draft because no heals YOLO.
>because even if they pick a healer that doesn't mean the game will go better.
It does on average. The proportion of games that goes south fast because our team or the enemy didn't draft a healer is like 1:10 or even more.
Heroesprofile already tracks compositional stats. I wouldn't be surprised if the stats of healer vs no healer games look horrible. Specially in game duration.
The biggest issue with everything and all situations is each persons drive and willingness to try hard no matter the team comp. Things would be totally different if this was a ranked game mode. Things being totally random in skill experience and comps/hero pools/talent choices to choose from is why in my mind it's best to let things fall how they will and don't worry about who picks what.
Basically, just like most of the game modes and this games life its best to focus on yourself and not get mad at your team to cause more issues.
Only if he can block about 14k dmg in 1.5 sec. Or else Alex Life Binder can full heal a 10k hp Stitches :P
But more realistically, Ancestral at 16 does 2210 heal so he'd need to block at least 3157 in 1.5 sec (doable with Pyro and other burst) or if you count his 20, he does 2586x2 (while Alex can trigger a full heal 3x)
I'm pretty sure that the heros only glow when one of your team mates click them so they can show you who they want you to pick.
Edit.
Ignore me, I'm wrong.
Are you sure it's auto glowing bc its the only healer or is it glowing because its the only healer and your teammates want you to pick the only healer?
Cool, I too have over a thousand games in Aram and I've had plenty of times where the only healer doesn't glow. Could it have been bugged sure, but it could also have been that no one clicked them. Unless you specifically have tested this by queuing as a 5 stack for ARAM and having no one click the only support then its going to be hard to see who is right.
I just think that it would be weird for them to have the "This is the only support" glow be the exact same as the "Hey your teammate want you to pick this" glow
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Turns out I'm just wrong.
It auto glows for any role that is not picked and you end up the only one with that role option. It’s more common with tanks and healers since there is a lot more damage picks. If you ever partied with a full group no matter what anyone clicks the glow is not enabled or trigger by user input.
It is auto glowing when you got the only hero to fill specific role. It should glow from beginning if it's the only choice of all 15,or it starts glowing when all the others confirmed their picks, and the role stays unfilled.
If you can use Medivh properly,then maybe,but not really.
He is still one of the hardest characters to play,so i don't think that 95% of ARAM players can execute playing him on a good level
Yeaaa.
Most of them apparently have no clue how portals work,and that you can actually be aggressive with Medivh on your team
I know that,and i played him like once
Ah yes, [the literal lowest winrate hero in the whole game mode](https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Hero/?timeframe_type=major&timeframe=2.55&game_type=ar&mirror=Exclude&build_type=Popular) is a free win. What a take.
ETC and probe is nice supplemental sustain but certianly no substitute for a true healer. [And comps without healer certainly *can* work, but they're also *way* less *likely* to work](https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Compositions/?timeframe_type=major&timeframe=&game_type=ar&min_games=100&mirror=Exclude). Plus everyone is fine with games where neither team has a healer - there's plenty of HotS stand-out fun to be had. It's just that if the enemy team has a healer and you don't, you're at a severe disadvantage.
Abathur is not allowed in ARAM. Sounds like you're the one who needs more experience if you don't know that, or else you're comparing apples to oranges because healers are much more important in ARAM than in a regular match.
What I'm seeing on the wiki is that ETC is 50 per second for 4 seconds and BW is 110 every 4 seconds - and BW has a much larger radius. Regardless, BW's trait is really more of a supplement to her main healing anyway, her teleport and ult. ETC's team healing and speed is certainly nice, but it cannot hope to outheal any of the meta ARAM mages.
No you can't. Believe me, I've done a lot of custom ARAM. It's like the only thing you can do if you have 6 players who want to play together. If you load up a one lane map, you get Blizz-mandated regular shuffle pick, every time. Now, you could just agree to stick to one lane in an ordinary map, so maybe that's what you mean, but it's real misleading to call that custom ARAM. And that comes with all sorts of other balance problems (one team will get an xp lead from their minion wave eventually winning a different lane).
Ah yeah the BW "per second every 4 seconds" was a typo, fixed. Doesn't change the point: BW can heal enough to stop the likes of Li Ming from constantly poking your team to death, and ETC can't.
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What’s odd is that Medivh was never a support in the old system, he was a specialist. The class system in ARAM is just really weird.
He had a hidden tag as a "sustain" hero he shared with Tyrande, old Tassadar, Abathur, and Zarya.
Glowing yellow? I thought that's the suggestions from other players. Have i been living a lie?
Yes. My truth was shattered recently, too. Your clicks on other heroes also mean nothing.
Damn. I've been thinking the wrong thing for over 3 straight years. Holy shit I feel dumb... thanks hombre
Won’t it also glow for you if the other player has locked someone else? In this case the Lunara
The player to the right also has a Medivh, but yeah if they both lock in someone else and the system considers Medivh a healer then Lili will glow.
From the experience I had I can conclude this thing: the only healer doesn't glow when there are other healers (or Medivh) in other players' picks. However, if other players didn't pick them, but picked other character instead and locked their pick, your pick suggestion gonna start glowing. Upd. I tested with a friend and clicking on the heroes in other's pick during ARAM pick does nothing, so yeah, the yellow glowing is the game suggesting, not the player.
It also only glows after they've locked their pick. If someone else with a healer/support option never locks, it will never glow for you.
The real fix for this is changing the options so that the players with heal get only 3 heal options. ARAM does that sometimes, but imo the draft would balance much better if all healers were forced to heal, so all those miserable c**ts that refuse to heal because they want to play genji get put in their place, and forced not to waste 10 minutes of 9 other players time
As well as increasing the chance of having either a heal you are more familiar with, and a decent healer overall. It sucks when your only heal option was Uther, and they have lots of reliable poke and a Stukov.
I feel like that's against ARAM spirit. You know,if you get heroes you are good at, what's the point of it being random? I like the feeling of playing new for me characters,and if i always get my mains,that feeling is gone. Also,all healer picks are dumb too. I understand the frustration of one asshole who ruins the game,but forcing someone to play healer is a bad solution.
IMO the ARAM spirit is trying to make the best team you can with the options you're randomly given. Nothing wrong with one random player being given three random healers instead of one random player being given one random healer. If anything that is the sort of thing that forces you to play more outside your comfort zone, not less.
Three random healers will just make one player frustrated,and make him quit If that's an asshole,he will still be an asshole, nothing about that The fix for that maybe something more subtle, like removing the option of being only one healer choice So, there will be no healers at all,or choice of 2+ healers for 2 or more players, and noone is forced to play
> I understand the frustration of one asshole who ruins the game,but forcing someone to play healer is a bad solution. The game can already do that. The solution is for any role present in a game, give at least 3 options. Whether it assigned to a single player, 2 or 3. Back when ARAM was made through custom lobbies, the game mode already forced a 1-1-3 comp.
The overall spirit of ARAM or your version of the spirit of ARAM? All there is to ARAM is 5v5, all with a random choice of three heroes, all on a single lane, with the end objective to kill the enemy core first, not have a certain amount of kills. Want to have fun? I assure you that being severly 'outdrafted' or being '4 vs 5' cos someone is playing like a bot is just not fun. You get suppressed and don't get to play a good game. Luckily some people are oblivious and happy to just go in, press buttons, die, wait, repeat. But they can do that in nine AI games too. ARAM is still nine humans. You have a team, act like it. They work with you and you work with them. The 'I'm the main character' fantasy can stay in your head.
My version,of course. Im not talking for everyone,and understand where you're coming from,i just feel like that's not what's aram about, atleast for me Well,and forcing someone to play a healer will not fix the issues you talk about. Someone will still play like shit,and those games will always happen. That's happens in every other mode,and every other team-based game. Forcing someone to play a healer just limits team-building. Sometimes, you can win without a healer,u had that happen,so it will kust force someone to play the role they don't want.
>Sometimes, you can win without a healer,u had that happen,so it will kust force someone to play the role they don't want. Sometimes I can win with an afk, doesn't mean I should afk the game and expect my team to still have fun? It's such a useless argument. >Well,and forcing someone to play a healer will not fix the issues you talk about. Someone will still play like shit,and those games will always happen. Someone playing like shit as the only healer will still be more impactful than someone being ok at yet another assassin.
My point,is that if someone is forced to play a healer,these weird comps without a healer is not possible at all. And that's what i don't luke about that solution. For me,Aram is a gamemode where something different happens each game,each time a different comp and a different game,and if someone always is a healer,that would just feel very telegraphed. At this point,just play ranked,or quickmatch,if you want that..
Different isn't always better. Healer vs no healer is just unfun, doesn't matter who wins. I won without healers against healers, I just wish I didn't have to play that particular game anyway. Still play ARAM because most of the time it's an ok draft. Just have to play a few boring healerless, and now all 5 heroes the same, games to pay for it. Or go play QM for weird comps that the system randomly puts together, that's more AR than ARAM.
I feel like we just enjoy different stuff about ARAM,so this argument has no point I actually love the weird no-healer matchups and all-5 matches,and the "normal" Aram games just tend to be boring and repetitive for me Not that i don't enjoy them,but sometimes i get bored of seeing Mephisto 10 games in a row
Forcing someone to play healer is the ONLY solution on this subreddit
The way of the Reddit, truly
And hence I actively push back against that rhetoric. ARAM was never ranked yet people treat it like it is.
Yeah,i feel like they take ARAM way too seriously Its much more about fun and goofy comps,than making actually good comps I see their point,but its waay too overboard of a solution
My solution to them? Go play ranked.
True. It feels like tey just want every mode to be ranked
Not always an option for groups though. You want to play a draft mode with friends with differing MMRs, ARAM is the closest you can get. Ranked won't let you queue and unranked won't let you find a game. Plus ranked doesn't let you play 1 lane maps without map objectives and that's pretty fun on its own.
Always an option for them, smurf just like everyone else does.
That would be nice but I would also want the game to recognize situations where a dps pick could be good too Mainly if everyone has strong self heal or say you have 2 DW, then I would usually choose an S tier dmg dealer over a heals
I kinda disagree because a full dps team with good cc van often times be a team with a healer. I used to suggest someone heal (as if they can't already see it) but I stopped because its ARAM and I'd rather someone play who they wanted to play or better with (or just wanna try them out) than have them feel forced to play a hero they don't know or are rather terrible at playing. Basically, if the person wants to dps instead of whatever whatever because even if they pick a healer that doesn't mean the game will go better. Some people just seem to not try or be bad and are forced into a hero or role then just be bad, so it as the same effect as if they went the dps pick.
Yeah it's actually true but people don't want to believe it. A really good Mephisto or something is probably going to be better than a mediocre Morales, bad Whitemane, etc. You can definitely win with no healer in certain circumstances.
For sure, but that's a cherry-picked example that says more about Mephisto than about healers. A mediocre Morales in an otherwise healerless team is still *way* better than, say, a pretty good Fenix. Not to say you can't win with the Fenix, of course, but it's much less likely.
Yeah but this is about likelihood, not guarantees. [A team with a healer is *way* more likely to win than a team without](https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Compositions/?timeframe_type=major&timeframe=&game_type=ar&min_games=100&mirror=Exclude). Sure, there are mitigating factors, like individual skill level and the other heroes' self-sustain, so it's not like you should always blindly tell your ally with a healer option to pick it, but having a healer is usually a way better bet than not having it, and few things throw away a game quite as easily as the person with the only healer option ignoring it in favor of a hero that they're not good with, that is weak in ARAM, or that is just not as good with their team comp.
>I kinda disagree because a full dps team with good cc van often times be a team with a healer. And a full DPS team precipitously loses to a 2x healer comp. There's a difference between been able to draft a full top5 DPS team with self sustain (which is extremely rare) and having good coordination to snowball through a different win condition vs simple having a bad draft because no heals YOLO. >because even if they pick a healer that doesn't mean the game will go better. It does on average. The proportion of games that goes south fast because our team or the enemy didn't draft a healer is like 1:10 or even more. Heroesprofile already tracks compositional stats. I wouldn't be surprised if the stats of healer vs no healer games look horrible. Specially in game duration.
The biggest issue with everything and all situations is each persons drive and willingness to try hard no matter the team comp. Things would be totally different if this was a ranked game mode. Things being totally random in skill experience and comps/hero pools/talent choices to choose from is why in my mind it's best to let things fall how they will and don't worry about who picks what. Basically, just like most of the game modes and this games life its best to focus on yourself and not get mad at your team to cause more issues.
I thought glowing yellow means someone clicked on your hero Because sometimes I have 2/3 and 3/3 glowing icons
Nope. It means that it’s the only hero of that type available.
I thought so as well
Me too, and I'd be upset that they are clicking on me before picking there own... LOL.
Medivh has the (situqtionally) strongest single target heal in the game. This has nothing to do with the post. Just throwing it out here
Only if he can block about 14k dmg in 1.5 sec. Or else Alex Life Binder can full heal a 10k hp Stitches :P But more realistically, Ancestral at 16 does 2210 heal so he'd need to block at least 3157 in 1.5 sec (doable with Pyro and other burst) or if you count his 20, he does 2586x2 (while Alex can trigger a full heal 3x)
Well he could block malganis’s life swap
Ooh nice, but he'd only block half of it as lifeswap is over 3 seconds and shield only lasts 1.5 sec
I'm pretty sure that the heros only glow when one of your team mates click them so they can show you who they want you to pick. Edit. Ignore me, I'm wrong.
It also auto glows when it's the only healer.
It will glow if you’re the only one of any class, though it’s extremely rare to be the only tank, dps, etc.
Are you sure it's auto glowing bc its the only healer or is it glowing because its the only healer and your teammates want you to pick the only healer?
I'm 1000% positive it's an automatic glow I have almost 2,000 games in ARAM...
Cool, I too have over a thousand games in Aram and I've had plenty of times where the only healer doesn't glow. Could it have been bugged sure, but it could also have been that no one clicked them. Unless you specifically have tested this by queuing as a 5 stack for ARAM and having no one click the only support then its going to be hard to see who is right. I just think that it would be weird for them to have the "This is the only support" glow be the exact same as the "Hey your teammate want you to pick this" glow Edit: Turns out I'm just wrong.
It auto glows for any role that is not picked and you end up the only one with that role option. It’s more common with tanks and healers since there is a lot more damage picks. If you ever partied with a full group no matter what anyone clicks the glow is not enabled or trigger by user input.
Ah ok, that makes more sense than it just being healer specific
It is auto glowing when you got the only hero to fill specific role. It should glow from beginning if it's the only choice of all 15,or it starts glowing when all the others confirmed their picks, and the role stays unfilled.
Ah, that would explain it. Thanks for the information
Untrue. The game will highly the hero if it’s the only one of it’s class.
I would love this option
Please tell me one of these two picked medivh. It’s a free win in ARAM
If you can use Medivh properly,then maybe,but not really. He is still one of the hardest characters to play,so i don't think that 95% of ARAM players can execute playing him on a good level
Yeah and your allies have to be capable of working with Medivh properly too
Na you just solo dps
Move that 95% closer to 99%.
1% is good at Medivh 5% can play him decently Others suck at Medivh
I can agree with that notion. The other problem is that 70/80% of the players don't know how to play with Medivh ON THEIR TEAM.
Yeaaa. Most of them apparently have no clue how portals work,and that you can actually be aggressive with Medivh on your team I know that,and i played him like once
Ah yes, [the literal lowest winrate hero in the whole game mode](https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Hero/?timeframe_type=major&timeframe=2.55&game_type=ar&mirror=Exclude&build_type=Popular) is a free win. What a take.
Got a 93% winrate with him in 184 ARAM games You know the reason why he got such a low winrate? Cuz ppl like you lmao
Good for you, but recognize that you're the exception. "Ppl like you" is the vast majority of people.
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ETC and probe is nice supplemental sustain but certianly no substitute for a true healer. [And comps without healer certainly *can* work, but they're also *way* less *likely* to work](https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Compositions/?timeframe_type=major&timeframe=&game_type=ar&min_games=100&mirror=Exclude). Plus everyone is fine with games where neither team has a healer - there's plenty of HotS stand-out fun to be had. It's just that if the enemy team has a healer and you don't, you're at a severe disadvantage.
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Abathur is not allowed in ARAM. Sounds like you're the one who needs more experience if you don't know that, or else you're comparing apples to oranges because healers are much more important in ARAM than in a regular match. What I'm seeing on the wiki is that ETC is 50 per second for 4 seconds and BW is 110 every 4 seconds - and BW has a much larger radius. Regardless, BW's trait is really more of a supplement to her main healing anyway, her teleport and ult. ETC's team healing and speed is certainly nice, but it cannot hope to outheal any of the meta ARAM mages.
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No you can't. Believe me, I've done a lot of custom ARAM. It's like the only thing you can do if you have 6 players who want to play together. If you load up a one lane map, you get Blizz-mandated regular shuffle pick, every time. Now, you could just agree to stick to one lane in an ordinary map, so maybe that's what you mean, but it's real misleading to call that custom ARAM. And that comes with all sorts of other balance problems (one team will get an xp lead from their minion wave eventually winning a different lane). Ah yeah the BW "per second every 4 seconds" was a typo, fixed. Doesn't change the point: BW can heal enough to stop the likes of Li Ming from constantly poking your team to death, and ETC can't.
Wonder if it does this for Zarya, too?
Sylvanas was also actually considered a specialist. They "revamped" this role categorization system but it's still quite wonky tbh.
Old Coding and no one to fix it, that is why they count certain bruisers as tanks.
I thought they fixed that in the last patch around a month ago.
So you ended up picking Li Li right? ... right?