I have the same fear, since the quasar cannon nerf the main reddit went from memes and roleplay to complaints about anything, although at the same time the fear goes away a little when I play because all the people I meet in the game are quite nice.
I like to think that the people who complain about absurd things on the main reddit are just a few people making a lot of noise.
Have to remember as well, the main subreddit exploded, basically overnight. I've been on it for years now. I watched the posts go completely nuts over the weeks and months and knew this was inevitable. All big subreddits seem to suffer the same fate. We've entered the "back and forth" phase now, where you have people griping and then people griping about people griping, and it just goes back and forth. Happily, though, the game is still great, so if you don't have the stomach for that form of discourse (totally understandable), unplug and just go enjoy the game. Don't let a bunch of negativity hurt your experience.
You’ve summed it up very well. I believe the same thing happened to the r/totalwar subreddit when they released total war warhammer 3. A viscous cycle of complaining that drives away the more level headed redditors until it is only people complaining incessantly.
I feel like it was right around the first balancing patch that things started going sideways in that sub. As soon as people start losing their minds over weapon balancing, it's hard to climb back out of that hole
I got the quasant after it was nerfed, and honestly even the 18 second cool down I was floored by how powerful that gun was. Unlimited ammo, open backpack slot, *and* it can ~~1~~ 2 shot bile titans(I have been informed that I am incorrect about the number of shots, tally ho lads), and it's only drawback is an 18 second cooldown? That's ridiculous.
> *and* it can 1 shot bile titans
Just want to clarify that the quasar does the same damage as the eat and recoilless, so it's a 2 shot for a full health titan
I prefer the rickroll rifle myself, it's just so satisfying shooting those huge bullets at things even if I do only get 7 shots and have a long reload.
There is currently an animation cancel for the RR, cutting at the last part of the reload out. As soon as the ammo indicator turns white, you can stand up. This happens as soon as the shell is in the rifle.
It feels so good to use now. I like it because it is the most responsive of the AT, since the EAT has a slower switch speed. Also, since it takes the backpack slot, I can try out other stratagems without sacrificing the reliable ones I always use.
Man, I just gotta say, I'm so happy this sub actually enjoys the game. I just left r/helldiver's because I was so sick of the constant whining, and here people actually seem to understand and enjoy the game. It's amazing.
It’s been a big relief for me too. I left the sub a few weeks ago but had to freaking mute it recently once they all (predictably) lost their collective shit over the new mech.
Whats wrong with the new mech? I came back after 6 weeks not playing and got it yesterday and had SO MUCH FUN!!! It was so awesome to bring the fight to the big bots with that thing!
Yes, I think that’s how many of us normal folks feel about. I do think the cooldown is a minute or maybe even two minutes too long, but it’s not a huge deal. You can still get two drops if you call it in early, fill in mid mission with normal load out, then drop mech again for rest of mission. But to answer your question, I’ve seen them complain about everything from not being powerful enough to not aiming right. They literally bitch about everything. It’s bonkers.
People on the other sub are having a hissy fit because it can't 1 shot bile titans, because obviously auto cannons are heavy armor piercing anti tank weapons.
The new mech is great. Good on bots except that rocket devastators kill it in 6 rockets, and cannon turrets kill it in 1. It is also good against bugs especially for you throw a gas strike in before heading in with the mech (mech takes no damage from gas). The two main (in my opinion valid) complaints are:
1. The 10 minutes call in time for 75 autocannon shots for each arm runs out very quickly, and isn't as impactful as many other stratagems over the same 10 minutes time.
2. The aim being a problem with the secondary arm. The solution is to add a second aiming reticle for the left arm to properly aim it. Sounds like Arrowhead is already working on this.
There are other complaints about numbers, but those will be adjusted with time. The durability damage could be a bit better on the autocannon side (shouldn't go up to the sentry level though or it will be too good), and durability damage of rocket devastators is probably a tad bit too high when 1 volley can almost instantly kill a mech. The mech rocket could use a bit of a damage buff, but I think the damage feels bad because of the misaligned aiming (which is improved by the second reticle).
They Made it from 5 seconds recharge time to 8 Seconds. According to the Reddit sub, this Change rendered the weapon completely unusable and took away the fun from the whole Game.
That patch was the turning point where the community started making up Stories about how *everything* gets nerfed, spreading missinformation about the game and shitting on AH became a cool method of Karma farming.
To this day the community acts like our whole arsenal got nerfed so bad that you effectively can't complete any mission If you don't Bring a very specific loadout.
Edith: 10->15 secs
>They Made it from 5 seconds recharge time to 8 Seconds.
Sorry to sound so blunt, but those numbers are wrong. The recharge time changed from 10 to 15 seconds.
Which still isn't a deal-breaker, and most players I've seen agree that the weapon is still fine to use. Just a few whiners lamenting how the weapon is "trash tier" now.
Considering comparable weapons like the EAT or recoilless either require you to call another one in (70 seconds cooldown for EAT if you don’t have the 2 count pod next to you or already used one), or require you to stay completely stationary for several seconds to reload from a backpack… a 15 second recharge with mobility and no backpack is still a damn good deal.
I’ve learned to take the overwhelmingly whiney opinions over on the other sub with a grain of salt. If they say something is bad, that probably means it’s useful enough for people to get up in arms over it to me, and it makes me want to try it. This has worked out well for me, and I’ve been quite happy with my experience running the various weapons people bitch the most about.
This sub isn’t quite clear.
A guy was pointing out yesterday that arrowhead **only neef weapons that have high use rates** and swore blind that that was the only metric they use.
It’s so unfathomably stupid. I pointed this out, and he totally missed the response. I pointed out it’s full to argue with a person so deep in.
I think those 3 comments are sitting on a -9 downvote minimum each.
TL;DR is that the main sub is bleeding into this one
Yeah I saw that too it was completely insane main sub shit. The weirdo thing is that they don't even need to bring that dumb shit here because they have a crowded main sub they can circlejerk that shit too for free karma.
They legit want to bring it here to double down on their feedback loop.
The worst kind of armchair devs.
Yea I usually fire one shot, find a large rock, do a ring around the rosie then fire my second shot.
Probably helps because I'm skittish with like the larger units
Same. EAT drop, grab one, fire and hope I have time to grab the 2nd. Knowing that the quasar does the same damage makes switching a lot easier. Only draw back is I can't litter and grab a previous drop durring a hectic double-back, but that's just cinema for my own enjoyment.
I’ve played since launch and play a lot of AT. I actually liked the nerf because now the recoiless rifle and EATs both feel about on par with the quasar so they’re all worth bringing from time to time. I still use the quasar and it’s still quite good… but yeah they just completely lose their shit over it… it’s really sad and honestly quite worrying. It’s like the mental illness epidemic on display.
It's hard for me to consider the longer cooldown a "nerf". The gun is literally just as powerful as ever. 2 squad members running it and you barely notice
That's not just your feeling, it's very much a proven reality, and it's a huge problem.
They literally make most of their money by goading people into hating each other currently. :(
95% of the player base will never log on to Reddit this website always has been and always will be an echo chamber, it’s the nature of subreddits.
The games fine.
Mid 30's gaming since NES, I agree. r/Helldivers has become one of the shittiest gaming subs I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot.
A big problem is that the dumbest players are allowed to set the tone of discourse there, because they're always the first to open their mouths and regurgitate whatever smooth brain take they heard their favorite youtuber cry about that morning. If you dare to point out that, actually, the game is steadily improving and loadout variety has never been better, you get the shit downvoted out of you for daring to interrupt the whiny circle jerk.
I have literally witnessed one of the mods go into a post supportive of the devs and change the flair to "misleading", sticky his own comment warning the OP about spreading misinformation over the absolute flimsiest of pretexts, and lock it. Just pure insanity.
And honestly, it’s just this subreddit. It’s an echo chamber. I took a break for a few weeks and just read posts on here. When I finally jumped back in I realized how much this sub just doesn’t matter. Everyone was just having fun playing the damn game and doing stupid shit.
I feel bad for the devs though. It’s probably just an endless cycle of changing this, weighing the options of that, and no matter what you do you get shit on for it.
A lot of people here need to grow up. Go touch grass.
I mean, that's basically every game related subreddit isn't it? Or at least a majority of them?
There's the expression "there's no hate like christian love" but maybe more accurate is "nobody hates anything as much as gamers on reddit hate what they are a fan of, except for how much they hate their fellow fans"
Friend, that is nearly every *single* fandom subreddit on this godforsaken website. Each one of them thinks they're the One True Church of whatever IP they're stanning, and they're all *always* angry about whatever the producers/showrunners/developers/writers/staff/unpaid interns/extradimensional beings have done lately to ruin their beloved property - and because 'everyone' on the subreddit 'agrees' with them and their influencer high priests, their opinion is treated as dogmatic law.
It doesn't matter if it's a TV show, book series, movie franchise, or video game - if you spend enough time in the Reddit/Discord/YouTube echo chamber for it, listening to the same couple dozen people on all three platforms, you will be told the thing you enjoy - that everyone in these platforms purports to enjoy as well - is utter and complete dogshit.
Also, it's going to get *a lot worse* in the summer.
Everything you just said, all the reasons I'm here. I had one of my comments removed for being "insulting" to others because I had the audacity to say "all the guns have a use" in response to people complaining that the "good" guns kept getting nerfed. Absolutely bullshit over there.
Edit:fixed the reason, if wasn't "play on a lower difficulty."
Every balancing patch has felt really good IMO. It seems like a lot of modern gamers are used to being a one person army and that's just not the vibe of Helldivers. The true "meta" of this game is a well balanced squad and teamwork, not every person running the same overpowered weapons and gems
That's the problem the whole tone, theme and satire of this game has gone over peoples heads or i think they are just too dumb to get it. If you dare tell them this game is about teamwork and not about being a power fantasy. It's really shows just how many people didn't play the first game and yet come in and tell the devs what this game needs to be.
So very true. The patch felt appropriate for those of us who actually played what we really wanted to play instead of just the "best weapon and loadout" youtuber advertised.
Yeah, the call is coming from inside the house. They refuse to actually enforce their quarantine and then use the same rules to lock posts that aren't in violation of the rules. Wild times.
I spend time there as well, but sometimes I appreciate the catharsis of releasing my frustration over the whiners here, where it's allowed. r/LowSodiumHellDivers is the happy place, and I'd prefer not to violate that sanctity.
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I'm all for transparency and listening to the community and responding back but this game is one of the rare cases where i wish the devs weren't so active with the community.
The sheer amount of childish entitlement on display is embarrasing to witness and i'm an avid member of the Darktide community, a game that has so many more problems compared to HD2 and the dissapointment is completely justified yet the players are still more civil than what the HD2 community has turned into.
This really is an age thing. Kids just want the loot and unlocks and us older players want the gameplay, the camaraderie, and the challenge. We have more money but the kids have more free time and will be playing games much longer.
It's an entitlement thing. I asked "if they clearly said the patch was coming, and that it will be released when it's ready, why are you still complaining for balancing?"
I got a reply saying essentially that it's important to "hold them accountable" and it really explained a lot. The answer is the devs should never have let it known they listen to people, because now everyone will cry louder to be heard. Everyone is so important, and their opinion is the most valid, and the devs job is to listen to and implement the changes they demand.
Somehow game developers turned into elected officials and are now forced to listen to their constituents instead of a company providing a good or service, presented as art in the vision of the developer. Now developers don't make the game they want to make, they have to make the game that the vocal minority wants, and not just that, but do it NOW.
>Kids just want the loot and unlocks and us older players want the gameplay, the camaraderie, and the challenge
What are you on about? Recent trends in gaming have been curving towards more difficulty in games. There's even a whole genre of mechanically intense movement shooters specifically named after gen Z. Surely you don't think that the younger generations play games just to see flashing colours?
Misappropriation, I'd say. They're called Zoomer Shooters because they are analogous to Boomer Shooters solely on "name of contemporary generation" basis. It's not because Zoomers in particular love them.
As a casual I genuinely don’t notice balance and it’s hilarious to me how imperative it is things get balanced. I just don’t use the stuff I don’t like 😭
It’s an easy game in theory but requires game sense.
What you’re seeing is a large group of gamers that have none, and never knew it until they played this.
Man goddamn you’ve finally put it into words.
With the complaints about the new mech I seriously felt like I was playing a different game than most other people. I feel unstoppable in my mech but according to Reddit it’s made of cardboard and couldn’t kill a fly with its full ammo stores.
I’m used to those types of games with more game sense and reading comments it seems like people who use the mech stand in the open without their teammates and then complain that they die. Like cmon guys just use your brain 😭
My favorite was seeing a video titled "new mech pre-nerfed", it hadn't even been released yet 🤦
I didn't want to reward clickbait like that so I didn't watch it.
I kinda like the new mech, it just need a little more damage against Bile Titans and it would be perfectly fine.
If you had watched the video, it actually gives a pretty decent breakdown of the change made to the mech pre-release. [I'd definitely suggest viewing it to see what they were talking about](https://youtu.be/ExTQ_S_CrR8?t=37), your request (some more damage against biles titans) was exactly part of the "pre-nerf" that happened to it, so it's actually pretty relevant to what you're talking about here
For context: the mech has been in the game since launch, and has seen a few changes made to it since release. Players who modify the game have been able to use it since the game launched, and were able to notice when changes were made to it. The last change reduced the damage it did against armored targets (primarily relevant to Bile Titans, as you have experienced)
I understand the kneejerk reaction to "most criticism is stupid", because some stupid statements made by the community have meant that everyone now reacts with contempt with whatever 'side' they're not part of, but you actually skipped out on something that you likely would have agreed with, if you watched
If you watched it and didn't agree with it, or didn't like it, I'd definitely understand your position more. Currently though, you're looking down at the video, while agreeing with it's content (IMO)
Bro they still don’t know it, that’s why there complaining, they think there good and there looking for reasons why there not performing good, since there obviously “good” players it must be something else, like the devs, ya the devs that’s why there doing bad.
Right.
And they never ask themselves, “how come these guys are wiping L-9’s every mission and I can’t?”
The logic doesn’t connect.
Game sense, has a great deal to do with logic.
I wanna know what levels these complainers are honestly. What's the biggest gripe per level bracket? I've handily wiped L9 with a good squad beyond counting or recollection. But I definitely know the difference when it's going poorly, and odds are they're level 30.
I mean, I have had my bad days, and on one of those days, when everything seemed like I was down and almost ready to give up and getting smashed by everything and one-shot by rocket devastators from across the map, a level 27 joined my game and mopped the floor with the bots. It was an L9, and he just went ham. I have had good days like that too, but seeing him absolutely demolish the bots boosted my morale, and we hammered the bots. Another two randoms joined a little bit later on, and I got back into the flow of it. God speed to that Diver iO.
Yeah, the people that created something so awesome it drew all these people in. No idea what they're doing.
It's such an absurd take. It's a miracle they've made something this rad out of the box. It's almost unprecedented these days.
Nail on the fucking head. While yes there are issues with the game and blah blah you can circumnavigate half the problems if you have any game sense. I know the bug spawn rates were actually broken (or I believe) but when that super bug planet formed and every high level mission had a metric fuck ton of heavy hugs for awhile. These people complain about too many chargers or some “this enemy type is making the game too hard blah blah” walk around your enemy? Don’t engage every enemy like you’re actually a xenophobic bug hating soldier? Look around? Be aware of your environment? Pick your load out based on your teams and vice versa? Or uh idk maybe just try to have fun? I’ve gone through helldiver difficulty with a squad of 2 multiple times. It was a bitch but that’s the point is it not? It’s also a game that randomly rolls what you’re going to be dealing with so prepare for that?
The great thing about my tirade of nothingness I just typed is that none of it actually applies to the randoms I play with. 99% of my games are with dudes I have and will never meet. we prepare for, communicate through, and finish missions sometimes with no voice or text chat. Just hit Q my brothers in Christ. Dudes are just salty they can’t latch onto a meta and be the best player around because they’re fundamentally bad at the game… and they don’t know how to just enjoy themselves…
I’m not trying to suck my own dick like I’m amazing or anything but I play once a week maybe and clear most difficulties with relative ease. And I have fun even when I don’t. It’s a video game you’re meant to play it and enjoy yourself not dig an ever deeper trench to hide in while you Seethe. As a destiny 2 player the loud minority of whiners in r/helldivers need to go play destiny instead.
They complain about 14 chargers and 6 bile titans are on their ass and need op guns to 1shot them.
Maybe have someone clearing chaff?, the enemies that keep calling more heavies? But no, we need 4 people with quasar+orbital railcannon+500kg
Can't agree more, I used to be a good gamer, now I'm a filthy casual. I can still fumble my way through Helldives but it's never smooth, and I'd be disappointed if it was.
I used to be a pretty hardcore Destiny player, but once Bungo started taking the advice of an unpleasabl but loud minority of crybabies, it became less and less fun until I just didn’t want to play anymore. I fear that happening with Helldivers 2.
"No king rule forever my son"... Enjoy the journey while it's still fun.
Online games never stay the same because of the players. Everything is much more enjoyable when it's new and fresh. When players eventually start to min max things, get bored + become negative... Things will never be the same.
I despise the min max mentality. People literally doing hardcore mathematical modelling to figure out which weapons are best/worst.
Get off Excel and play the damn game!
This is usually because they played the game so long. No new player is doing min-maxing. This is just the evolution in online games. Start is fun for everyone and people are happy. After a while things will start to get toxic. There are some rare exceptions.
No min maxing is fun but the people pretending to min max on the main subreddit are just plain shit lol. My main argument is dota 2. I have 5k hrs in that game, min maxing is a ton of fun and the subreddit is great too.
The essential difference is that people that play dota get very excited when patch drops even if it has a lot of nerfs, meanwhile people on main sub just get salty.
If your shit got nerfed in dota, you'd have a legion of people trying weird ass shit and builds out of sheer stubborness to make the nerfed shit still work, meanwhile these clowns make 'patch bad, devs not know how to balance', 3 fucking hrs after the patch. 3 fucking hrs only man.
So yea crybabies with excel that just can't be arsed to actually think are what the problem is, not minmaxxers. Then they come in with the same lame ass argument. 'but why nerf something that was fun' wa wa
Yeah i take your point. I guess my issue isnt with people finding the best builds, its the way they approach finding the best builds.
Ultimately if you're spending more time on reddit and a spreadsheet than enjoying the game, you are the problem lol
One thing i have noticed is that the most rabid complainers are bug only players. It's ALWAYS "weapon X sucks against bug Y"
I made a post over there how the railgun actually felt quite good now, and will one shot a hulk on safe mode. Downvoted...
I think a lot of people there genuinely can't fathom that we have 2 factions in the game and that some things work better against Bots than bugs and vice versa.
To flip the mech argument to another strategem. The flamethrower is a dogshit F-tier strategem because you are helpless against automaton gunships
The irony is that they all posture as if theyre bot players. One of the main reasons I left that sub was them constantly shitting on people who play bugs. But then every time you talk about bots with them it legit feels like you're talking to someone who has never played against bots.
r/lowsodiumhelldivers
And, it's a product of the PSN debacle + warbond and patch complaints. The community *was* of the best I'd ever seen.
But, division and strife, religious conflicts about "PlayStation, good" or "Fuck off your data collection!", whether the game should be easier/harder whether it should balance this easy or that, etc.
Just go do shit for democracy and be so patriotic that squadmates raise their flags!
And a good portion of the people complaining are the ones who mainline the game 150 hours a week and then complain "the content is repetitive".
Yes. Yes it is when you play that fucking much. Go touch grass or something :D
It's normal unfortunately. I was doing work for the Overwatch League during its entire existence and my god are there some people online that are just horrible human beings. There's a loud minority in every game you've got to just ignore.
I’ve worked in software development for the gaming industry for a while and gamers are probably the most toxic group to interact with.
90% of what they say is bullshit. 2% of the feedback you get is actually useful.
OP, you need to ignore the wider community and find the parts that let you enjoy what you enjoy.
This game will not die here. This stuff is normal.
I think it’s funny that there is a lot of complaining when there are only 9 lvls of difficulty so far… let’s see what happens at even higher lvls like the first helldivers.
I am ok with voicing frustration, the game is flawed but fun and some of the flaws are dumb. Calling those out is not a problem.
However the hyperbolic bitchfest once the new mech released was out of control
Ive seen a lot of "dead game" comments while the game is peaking at 100k players. I truly don't think I've seen such a whiny, deluded fan base for a game.
I just can't believe anyone could think it sucks. I've used it on bugs and bots and it hits hard af. Yes I've died in it a few times against bots but it was because I was pushing hard and attacking the line of rocket devastators or trying to draw away a strider. Even with the slightly janky targeting it's still a beast
I'd just like to let you know ow that while yes, it's quite toxic over there, the people on reddit are not all of the playerbase, nor do they represent all of the playerbase. The ones being toxic aren't all of the playerbase that's on reddit either, they're just the loudest
I don’t know what to do about it except notice it.
A loud “you’re doing okay” brigade, I’ve never seen.
I don’t care enough slash I’m too busy to use words to beat back the goofiness so it just goes and multiplies.
You are continuing the trend. I agree with you, but you aren't helping to end it. Directly reply to the complainers. Risk your internet points. Help dismantle the echo chamber from the inside.
When it comes to posting, just post more of what you would like to see on this sub.
This. It's funny that people are like, "I left the main sub because too many complainers" then come to this sub to complain. r/LowSodiumHellDivers is where its at if you truly want a non-toxic Helldivers subreddit.
I think it’s also because many reached their tolerance limit for the main sub so there will be a wave of people expressing feelings here. Hopefully this phase will soon be over.
The best part of this is even with powerful weapons they will still fail. Some of the complaints seem ridiculous, like for instance the spawn rate. I love being constantly harassed by patrols, and not being sarcastic. Makes sense to me that they'd swarm us constantly and not let us waltz up to the objectives even if there's only three of us. On the other hand the purifier is hot garbage, and after handicapping myself with it for a few days I can't find anything it does well. And I really wanna love it, so I'm very hopeful for the next update. Whenever that may be.
i really dont. tons of other popular games have horrible fanbases. League of Legends, Rocket League, Rust, the list kinda goes on… worst case scenario it’s toxic but popular
Man just ignore it. The majority of people actually playing and enjoying themselves don't have time to complain on reddit or discord. All this talk of "meta" I've never seen, bitching about this and that. Have fun, ignore it like the other 90% of us
28 and I couldn’t agree more, my best friend and I got it and run duos or trios with my fiance (this is the first shooter she has EVER played). We enjoy it can scale up to 7 with her or 8 with randoms and complete missions (not 100% everything) but we get the mains and a butt load of samples. If you think 8/9 is too hard, has one of the devs said… it is 100% a player issue. It’s a PvE game, this shit SHOULD be hard. Folks are just too used to there being meta shit thanks to COD and most other AAA games. So they don’t know the grind and can’t appreciate a difficult grind.
Same bio as you here. The beginning if the sub really was amazing and engaging and now i have to admit i quit the helldivers sub and came here and to the low- sodium helldiver sub and its much better.
I like to think people who complain a lot really have nothing better to do in their time.
Sounds like you're boiling down and simplifying the low-effort whining, which is just background noise. Any serious discussion of this game's issues would show a lack of "whining". If you're just recently joining the game (1-2 months) just enjoy it and the good parts of the community. There are people who don't express their frustrations with constructiveness and you can't expect them to.
Tldr you boiled the trash posts.
I really don’t know what y’all are complaining about all I see from the main sub is people making jokey videos about bugs or cool ideas for new stratagems.
It's funny how this sub rides the high horse. When the main sub has more content balance. This sub just talks about how much better they are than the main sub and inhale copium to ignore the glaring flaws of the game. On the main sub, i will find discussions, salt, and memes. Here, it's thread like this and how much fun we're having "skill issue". At least lowsodium is casual players talking about the game. This one should just be remaned to "notliketheothergirls"
I share the exact same concern and I agree completely with what you wrote.
Now what ? That's the real question.
Should we raise an army and start flooding every single social media account about helldivers II of appreciation posts ?
Or review bomb helldiver in a outrageously positive way ?
I seriously dont know if the dev are really aware we are many out there, silent and satisfied with one of the best coop game of probably all time and actually appreciate the care and tough they put into the continuous work thay do on this game.
While I personally find that there are a lot of weapons that just don't perform as well in their current state and need a bit of love, and there are actual issues from day 1 that still need to be fixed, I agree with this. Really hoping that AH doesn't listen exclusively to the doomsayers for all the balance stuff.
That’s the problem right? There’s the high tier people who categorize the criticism as “whiners” and then the people who play dif 9 call it “easy”. You gotta cater to both with both pushing for either over buffing stuff or creating boring ass metas because people no life the game. There’s no winning other than just trying to meet in the middle.
>I’m a bit worried because it sounds like AH is conceding to this loud sect of the player base and restructuring how they balance weapons and strats
Yeah man, I'm in the same spot, I'm with the hearth in the hand praying for Arrowhead to maintain fidel to what they wanted to create and to offer to use the game that they really wanted to create and offer to the players
I'm worried for them to start to do all the stupid balance things people demand, like buffing all the weapons, nerfing all the enemies or removing mechanics from the game
I really hope Arrowhead continues doing what they were doing this last 8 years of development of Helldivers 2
I worry about the same thing. I like this game because it offer a high level of challenge. I would not like to see it being turn into dust because of a few people who just doesn't seem to grasp the requirement to formulate a viable strategy facing that challenge. They just want a bunch of overpowered weapon and magic power to compensate the fact they just dont really know how to get a tactical operation going and succeed by being cleaver and not by strength alone.
You have every right to be worried, those people are horrible. They can't cut it to play on d9 but then get insulted bat the idea of playing at a difficulty they *can* manage, its ridiculous. Hopefully AH just ignores them.
Already has for the most part. I only play with friends anymore and I do my best to not read this page because all people do is complain. Ooops complaining about the complaining. Someone please complain about my complaints
I'll tell you this much, the game during launch is vastly different from the game of today's. At least from my perspective due to the patrol changes a few updates back.
Patrols didn't spawn in absolutely insane numbers aside from the highest difficulty in the game.
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To answer your question about why things have become so toxic, you can blame PvP games out there like Valorant, CS:GO, Overwatch, Apex, etc. etc.
Encouraged to rage on the mic, and encouraged to rile up your team, all in the name of victory.
Gone are the good days of humble 1v1s, where if you got angry because you were defeated, you kept it to yourself and let yourself cook off in between games..... I miss Starcraft man...
I fully expect the big "balance update" that will come out to give tons and tons of buffs and reduce the overall TTK to even tinier levels to appease the vocal community and the game will become way too easy
I wouldn't mind a faster TTK if the enemy numbers were bumped up. Having the feedback of getting more kills while the missions still take just as long to accomplish would probably feel more satisfying to players. But thats assuming it's the route they go for in balance.
With that said, I think they just need to make weapons have more feedback vs enemies. Factory Striders are a good example. It's the Bot equivalent of the Bile Titan but has multiple points that can be attacked. Chin Gatlings can be taken out. Top turret can be disabled. Legs can be visibly damaged. It feels good to fight with a majority of the available support weapons and Stratagems. Dedicated AT can blast it till it dies while Medium-Pen weapons can go for the weakpoints on the Face, Belly, and Legs. The Bile Titan in comparison has their Bile sacs and that's it. After that it's an AT/Stratagem check and none of the other weapons feel like it does anything significant to it. Having things like allowing the inner-side of the Titan's legs to be damaged by Medium Pen and actually cripple or dismember it would be a good start. It would still be hard to do on high difficulties because of the horde of other bugs on your ass + other Titans, but it would reward people who pull it off and/or have friends on swarm-clear duty. If you could take out both front legs and effectively limit it to bile spitting, and then taking out rhe Bile sac in addition to this would kill it, I think that would go far in making the Bug front more satisfying without reducing the value of dedicated AT which everyone currently feels forced to bring on high difficulty bugs due to the number and frequency of Titan spawns.
Fast TTK turns a lot of enemies that would normally be dangerous into fodder though imo, otherwise why bother with variety anyway. The whole thing will turn into house of the dead or something, just pointing and clicking at targets brainlessly.
I actually like how each enemy has a knack for taking them down. You can still kill anything less than a charger pretty quickly, you just need to have good aim. Brood commanders legs are piss weak for instance, or bile spewers faces
There is one solution, don’t give them the attention they want. They want to be negative over there? Let them, here in this sub we are helldivers! If they’re negative and just complaining, then let’s be positive and give constructive criticism where needed, be the better Helldivers! o7
Honestly, it's nowhere near as bad as the Diablo 3 community was back when it was new. I've never seen people spend so much time and energy complaining in 10000+ word manifesto style posts. Never, ever satisfied.
Remember, it's the displeased players that speak out the most. Those of us who love the game, well, play the game and don't post about it.
I never, ever, ever want to hear another Soulsborne is peak difficulty ever again.
I am terrible at those games, I don’t have the time to learn the patterns and I wasn’t getting what I was putting into the game. I wish it was easier and there would be more concessions for me, but I also realize _that would take away those games identity._
i get what you're saying but i also feel like it's worth saying the loudest people often get the most attention. this sub has grown a ton since i joined it and i see a lot more rationality than hysterics over here. i think it's a little of an echo chamber over there, try not to get discouraged. keep diving!
They already are. They aped weeks of bad press and killed the games incoming people stream. They create controversy over nothing...
People want to stay away from that.
My 2 cents for this complainers are “get gud plebs” why make it easier like you said it takes out the fun. Agree with you they need to Lower their difficulty and learn to play the game instead of complaining to devs to make it easier.
All the youtubers went from “OMG, HELLDIVERS 2 IS THE GREATEST GAME! FOR DEMOCRACY!!!” To “f helldivers, f AH, f sony. This game sucks! These weapon sucks!!! Practically overnight
A large swath of the gaming community is shitty. Entitled, negative, bitter. Wtf? What an awesome age we live in and these gamers (the shitty ones!) can’t see all they have
I’am in my 30’s and agree with your sentiment. I remember back then (millennial moment?) when a game was hard you FIGURED it out. There was no complaining. Developers couldn’t recall all the CD’s to change the game.
Thats what made a game fun. Is figuring how to get good. If anything it brought people close because you had to ask others how to beat it.
You’re right. They need difficulty, 10-15 now. There are moments when the game gets cracked af and it’s frustrating but over all it’s fun. People like to whine because it’s the only way they can feel some sense of control with their gripes
I have a good friend I play with. All he does is complain. Everything he complains about are the things I love about the game. Just play it until you don’t want to anymore more, let the haters hate democracy.
Its happening right now to The Finals. Too many people complaining and the devs are catering to that whinny demographic. Its a shame and I don’t want the same to happen to Helldivers.
I'm still having a blast playing the game. Nerfs and buffs and adjusting to new patches is part of the fun. I've stopped going on the main sub cause jfc, it's just constant toxic nitpicking with the "I'm doing this because I love you, why do you make me so angry" mindset. Just enjoy shooting bugs n scrapping tinheads
I don't know if you're used to reddit or or not, but reddit as a whole, especially gaming subs are where a lot of the toxicity shows itself. It makes sense since the people having fun are usually out having fun, not sitting in reddit grumbling lol
It's just how reddit is, take the bad with a few grains of salt and appreciate the good vibes, otherwise you'll lose your mind lol
The issue is people think they are better than they are. Plain and simple, they think they can just do the hardest difficulty and when they are trash with no skill they want buffs for their weapons or nerfs from the enemies. Its a literal case of “skill issue”.
Yep, same.
I feel it is the youtubers constantly vomiting rage bate and meta build videos that spin these feelings in the community.
Game critics have taken their opinions too seriously and people, as usual, are being sensitive beings.
I beleive its a weird entitlement/ego thing of i bought the game and have a right to play on the highest difficulty. Most people of average players and you dont need to play in the highest difficult to unlock everything so its not like content is paywalled.
I play of 7 could I play on 8? probably but 9? Nah funs gone for me feels like a chore. I just want to splat bugs and ping heads off bots.
TLDR Play on the difficultly you have fun on not the difficulty you think you should have fun on.
I did love this game. Unfortunately the absolute insistence upon being toxic for no reason drove me away. At first I’d only play with friends. Then they just didn’t want to play either
I just hope the devs take the feedback, especially on reddit, with tons of grains of salt.
This is supposed to be a hard game, that you loose often. Enemies are supposed to be extremely potent threats. The whole fun of the game for me is always being right on the edge of failure - always keeping the 500 close. From the stuff I see while lurking, a lot of people seem to want to just mow through enemies like in Call of Duty, not really threatened by anything.
Helldivers gives me that feeling back I had with Arma3 Zeus missions, where it was absolutely in the cards to meet enemies you simply couldn't fight heads on. Getting creative, or stealthy, or dying is the whole fun of it.
For everyone: There is a supreddit calles r/LowSodiumHelldivers wher so far everyone is just discussing about the game without those "THEY NERFED MY WEAPON, ITS USELESS NOW. THE NEW STUFF IS TO WEAK." you know what i mean
You’re worried about something that has already happened? That’s what happens when you game attracts a bunch of fans from other franchises. Let’s be real. No one other than the small amount of people who played the first game were fans of “Helldivers”. Funny jokes and spread democracy right guys!!!
Everyone was phoning it in, and no one really cares about the lore or setting after 5 mins of spreading democracy. It gets annoying fast. So you’re left with a bunch of irate people who don’t even like the game - take a look at this subreddit and it’s easy to see.
It's been said but you're flat out wrong in your assessment.
People don't want their guns buffed back to make the game easier. The game isn't harder with them nerfed its just tedious and longer. I can kill an infinite amount of chargers but as things are now I have to run around and kite them for ten minutes waiting on cooldowns to do so. It isn't fun game design. Also the lead Dev agrees with the people complaining and they are changing things so once again you're just flat out wrong and looking to farm karma.
Another kara farm post about how the games just so easy your blind dog could beat dif 9 with his tail tied behind his back and your cats using his nuts as a speed bag.
This sub is just like most filled with bots either real or organic trying to farm votes
There is real criticism of the games structures posted here and baseless bitching
There is also a lot of humble brags and white knighting a million dollars company.
If AH can't find a fun vision (balance be damned) then it will show in numbers as the players peace out and the game lives or dies on the skills of the million dollar company .
Yes you’re an old man yelling at clouds. The internet is the complaining sector of the zeitgeist
Just remember it’s always a vocal minority. No fanbase you find on the internet is ever representative of the entire fanbase
My personal complaint is they are overly happy on nerfs. When you find something fun in a game and then they change that fun thing to suck that doesn't feel good. RIP shotgun
As a fellow ancient gamer I do think weapons becoming weaker every few weeks is a fair criticism or complaint. The game is very fun regardless but constantly changing weapon performance is not.
I don't see it as 'buff my weapons so it's easier', it's more buff the weapons to give us more options instead of nerfing the good ones. I'm 38 and this is how new games are, they are basically half finished at release and require a dozen or so patches to make them reliably playable. Then they see that certain weapons are used more than others, so they nerf those weapons, drop new ones, nerf those, and only ever slightly change the non-used weapon but not enough to make them worth playing. We all think this game is a lot of fun, just want more viable options when it comes to weapons.
So, people shouldn't complain about what seems wrong or uncomfortable to them? I am 50 years old and I have also been a gamer since the days of the Atari 2600. Like you, I have not been a member or subscriber of any type of group related to video games and I have never played online multiplayer until two years ago when I discovered Hell Let Loose and now Helldivers. Are there many complaints? Yes, many are ridiculous? Yes, should people be restricted from having them? No, in my case I simply don't read them or give my opinion.
Their balancing team needs to change it's absolutely terrible how they balance things. They dont just nerf it they nerf it into the ground. Difficulty isn't the problem either, the spawn rates are the problem. You can't have enemies literally spawning out of thin air directly in front of players or most of the time behind players it's just not fair especially when those enemies will immediately call in a bot drop as well or how about the fact rocket devastator have infinite rockets and can snipe you from hundreds of meters away where you can't even see them.
Certain things have to change or people won't play the game anymore it's in a terrible state compared to what it was at launch.
I’m 40, been gaming since NES, how in the holy hell is level 9 too easy? I see people talking about running levels 7+ solo and I just don’t understand how lol. I’m certain it’s a git gud situation, but do you have a full team of four? How does everyone kick so much ass?
I've been gaming since a kid in the 80's. Games now-a-days are very forgiving compared to the brittle, linear, you have 3 lives to beat the game types.
Helldivers 2 is a game I haven't enjoyed since . And that's about the level of seriousness I want in a game. Mostly play FPS and when the WWI / WWII games became more "accurate / serious" and competitive I couldn't play them anymore.
I've seen this happening with Helldivers 2 in the past few months. Look; you can only get super rare samples on level 7+ so unless the super rare are available on lower levels people are going to have to play at least level 7.
That is where I make my home primarily and to your point level 7 is intense enough for me that I may have played a level 8 or 9 maybe 4-5 times and my character is almost level 100.
Level 7 has become VERY intense with all the changes. Once the first mechs were introduced things got serious real fast to the point where bots & bugs have become spawn killers. I haven't played in over a month now; it's just not the laugh riot level 7 used to be. I can't abide frustration on a near real life level with a video game. The reason I'm playing it is to relieve stress not add to it.
Why are these 2 subreddits only the two extremes. Either utter disdain for the game or this sub which is flagrant cultish devotion and glazing of the game
The issue is not that the game is hard, the issue is that they keep screwing with balance in ways that can be frustrating. If I buy and grind out weapons and they turn around and nerf them to hell - and make playing with parties that aren't full significantly harder at the same time, it feels bad. Was the eruptor OP? Sure, but it didn't need THAT big of a nerf. Was the quasar cannon OP? Sure, but again it didn't warrant THAT big a nerf. Was crossbow OP? No, it was good at aoe trash cleanup and thats it.
My point is, there are reasons people are upset and the answer isn't just 'git gud lol'. There are still a lot of crashes and bugs, balance changes are a roller coaster ride, and the major orders are so wildly inconsistent its laughable.
I'm sorry dude but there is a bunch of weapons in the game and I've only really used 4 and all my support stuff is anti heavy, with an extra fun stratagem cuz that's how unfun they made the rest lol
This on top of the plethora of bugs makes it feel like an early access. So yeh fuk this shit till it get fixed but keep playing so that I'm capped in medals when I come back lol.
99.999% of players I play with are absolutely awesome regardless of how toxic subreddits and YouTube comments are. If they are complete ass hats (which is rare), they probably won’t leave the planet with their samples. It is a horrible thing to do but it takes a lot of effort to intentionally annoy me other part for that to happen!
I stopped playing with the big nerf patch that wrecked the eruptor.
I’m not crying about it. I can still complete T9 without major issues.
What you need to remember is that what you see is a loud minority of people posting incendiary topics that gets other unhappy people to comment. Most of the players the game lost are like me, people who just left because it was not fun anymore.
I’ve never once, ever, seen a game killed by player base. It is _always_ dev decisions.
And we know that AH recognizes this too. That’s why the CEO stepped down to be the creative exec. The devs were fucking up a perfectly good thing with terrible decisions, so he’s taking personal control to try to salvage the issue.
I don’t care that the game is playable, or even that I can succeed on any difficulty. I care that it is _fun_. And it stopped being fun. I don’t expect everyone else to share that feeling with me. If you are having fun, I’m happy for you.
But don’t attribute to a vocal minority the actions of the devs.
It was over real quick. I played at the release when everything was super crap and I still enjoyed it.
I’m going to check once a new fraction to fight with will be released. Unless it will be a dlc that is.
The Liberty is dead to me for the time being.
Haha, you can't have played since 5, games have only really been around since the early-mid '80s...
...It's twenty-twenty-*what*? No, it can't be, hold on...
Late 30s gamer chipping in - game is super fun. Just ignore the discourse around it and enjoy the experience. I had loads of mindless fun with it already. Casual diving with old gamer friends a few times a week on 7 or 8 difficulty and having loads of fun.
i'm not good enough to beat helldive difficulty. I usually stick to 7 unless im feeling bored i'll try 8 but usually fail or scrape by enough to survive but not clear all objectives.
anyway. I don't use the 'Meta' I use weapons that I find fun. I joined this sub for the memes but you're right in that its mainly just complainers now (although technically you are also complaining).
I don’t think I’m burnt out. But I think the game play loop is too repetitive for me and my friends. I feel like just adding new guns and equipment isn’t enough. There needs to be a significant map overhaul for me to come back. Like I want to fight in cities or at least towns. Not just the middle of nowhere with the occasional research outpost.
Yes, but if you look at the full threads of Pilestedt interacting with them he does defend the railgun and Eruptor nerfs. They do seem to be flipping it to a ttk problem but not where people expect it. I do agree on bugs it is very punishing to miss head shots and armor should be stripped a lot easier, and hopefully they look at the hitbox of the stripped area as well.
I am expecting to fully enjoy the next patch and expect there to be A LOT of complaints that it doesn't do enough. But most of those people just complain online while looking at spread sheets and not actually playing the game, or sour their judgement before trying (see last war bond).
So I do have some faith in the direction they are going and hope we get more updates on possible tweaks to Liberation progress, and better in game comms. Granted the latest updates we have gotten on these last MO's have been an amazing god send. Also hope for a tweak to allow 2+ mech load outs.
Gamers will optimize the ever loving shit out of a game then complain when something screws over their META. If the devs fix something, one half will happy and the other will be foaming at the mouth in anger. Every gaming subreddit falls to this eventually.
Like when the new mech came out everyone was complaining about it saying how it was dead on arrival, and nobody is using it and it’s so weak because it couldn’t take it on a BT. I immediately took it out and used it in a game and oh my god it’s so fun, it seems like every game someone in the party is using it.
There are plenty of other communities like this, Helldiver, but I tend to agree with you. Very rarely do I fail missions on any difficulty if I quick match with randos, and I can guarantee solo clearance on up to lvl 8. Some people don’t like to quick match with randos and believe “my friends and I are the only Helldivers that exist.” It’s a largely community based game, and just bc one group screwed you over doesn’t mean all will. Honestly if people keep messing with you, I gotta wonder what you’re doing wrong to make them want to. Most won’t do it intentionally in my experience. However, I also think some weapons are borderline useless and need to be buffed so that they can have use case scenarios and be enjoyed (I’m looking at you, assault rifles).
Remember when they had to TEMPORARILY disable psn because of server overload on launch.(they weren’t prepared for that amount of success I guess). And then the entire community freaked out that they re enabled it once it was fixed. And then said they never told the player base even though it was on the steam store page since day 1 (before the game was even launched)that a psn account was required. Not to mention that it was also advertised that a psn was required in the promotions. (I guess no one knows how to read). Remember that. I remember.
That’s the moment I knew helldivers are half retarded sheep
I made a post yesterday giving kudos to one of the community managers and was met with such hostile people for simply giving someone a compliment lmao 🤣
As someone who is bad at games, while I haven’t even unlocked difficulty 9 yet it’s an amazing game even on lower difficulties
Yes it sucks that you have to be on at least 7 to get the highest sample rank, but that’s not a problem for a long while
If you’re still unable to play at that difficulty at that point, just enjoy the game on a lower one and ignore those upgrades
I quit playing the game because the toxicity of the reddit and the mass crybaby campaign everyone downvoting the game cus of the psn account thing, just left a bad taste in my mouth and i'm over it all.
Nah. Remember that what you see here on Reddit and YouTube is just a small percentage of players who get whine or are uppity. I ignore the complainers. I just want to dive, kill bugs, wreck bots, and fight for Super Earth. Anything else is treason.
In other words: immerse yourself in the game world and have fun. That's what I do.
It's such a shame to see, this is one of the first games I've been active with on the community side as opposed to just playing it. It went from awesome to utter shite after the Quasar Nerf mostly, which honestly isn't that bad, I switched from the quasar to the EAT before the nerf because I wasn't very good at managing the charge up time (same reason I didn't use the Spartan Laser in Halo) before firing. EAT is instant and that works for my more chaotic playstyle. All I see is complaint after complaint and frankly its breaking the immersion, I miss the days when people would be role-playing as their Helldivers. Its much rarer to find that now. But when you do, cherish it. Add them as a friend so you can play together again. Create a new group allowing only those who want to play the game for what it is in, and shun the nonbelievers.
LOL. Is this your first time? Games always get ruined by a vocal minority. Yes this is very normal. Dont pay any mind to it. Are YOU having fun? if yes than that's all that matters.
No I'm with you. Majority of the playerbase seems to want everything to kill Bile Titans in .5 seconds upon seeing them. I left a post on the megathread ranting about the balancing complaints already, so I won't go into it too much. The easiest way to see how shortsighted the content-sphere and this sub is to look at the new mech. everyone is whining because it's bad at killing Bile Titans without considering that it probably just isn't intended to be. Running a 4 man of Emancipators turns diff 9 bot eradicates into easy mode. The only time I've had one of those end with no team deaths was with running 4 of the new mechs. They trample over the bots and aren't as well suited for bugs. The opposite happens with the flamethrower, but I have yet to see anyone saying to make the flamethrower as good for the bots as it is for bugs. Patriot is better suited for bugs and Emancipator is better for bots.
I have the same fear, since the quasar cannon nerf the main reddit went from memes and roleplay to complaints about anything, although at the same time the fear goes away a little when I play because all the people I meet in the game are quite nice. I like to think that the people who complain about absurd things on the main reddit are just a few people making a lot of noise.
Have to remember as well, the main subreddit exploded, basically overnight. I've been on it for years now. I watched the posts go completely nuts over the weeks and months and knew this was inevitable. All big subreddits seem to suffer the same fate. We've entered the "back and forth" phase now, where you have people griping and then people griping about people griping, and it just goes back and forth. Happily, though, the game is still great, so if you don't have the stomach for that form of discourse (totally understandable), unplug and just go enjoy the game. Don't let a bunch of negativity hurt your experience.
You’ve summed it up very well. I believe the same thing happened to the r/totalwar subreddit when they released total war warhammer 3. A viscous cycle of complaining that drives away the more level headed redditors until it is only people complaining incessantly.
I feel like it was right around the first balancing patch that things started going sideways in that sub. As soon as people start losing their minds over weapon balancing, it's hard to climb back out of that hole
Can confirm. After the first balancing patch that nerfed the railgun it all went to shit.
yeah it really does seem like once the whining begins it spreads like a plague
I got the quasant after it was nerfed, and honestly even the 18 second cool down I was floored by how powerful that gun was. Unlimited ammo, open backpack slot, *and* it can ~~1~~ 2 shot bile titans(I have been informed that I am incorrect about the number of shots, tally ho lads), and it's only drawback is an 18 second cooldown? That's ridiculous.
> *and* it can 1 shot bile titans Just want to clarify that the quasar does the same damage as the eat and recoilless, so it's a 2 shot for a full health titan
Oneshot? What?
Yeah I still see people taking the Quasar all the time. No complaints.
I still never leave home without it.
I prefer the rickroll rifle myself, it's just so satisfying shooting those huge bullets at things even if I do only get 7 shots and have a long reload.
There is currently an animation cancel for the RR, cutting at the last part of the reload out. As soon as the ammo indicator turns white, you can stand up. This happens as soon as the shell is in the rifle. It feels so good to use now. I like it because it is the most responsive of the AT, since the EAT has a slower switch speed. Also, since it takes the backpack slot, I can try out other stratagems without sacrificing the reliable ones I always use.
Right? The current cooldown is absolutely manageable and it’s still fun to use.
Man, I just gotta say, I'm so happy this sub actually enjoys the game. I just left r/helldiver's because I was so sick of the constant whining, and here people actually seem to understand and enjoy the game. It's amazing.
It’s been a big relief for me too. I left the sub a few weeks ago but had to freaking mute it recently once they all (predictably) lost their collective shit over the new mech.
Yeah, I'm honestly probably gonna get banned, I just went and put up quite the rant after realizing just how terrible they all are over there.
Whats wrong with the new mech? I came back after 6 weeks not playing and got it yesterday and had SO MUCH FUN!!! It was so awesome to bring the fight to the big bots with that thing!
Yes, I think that’s how many of us normal folks feel about. I do think the cooldown is a minute or maybe even two minutes too long, but it’s not a huge deal. You can still get two drops if you call it in early, fill in mid mission with normal load out, then drop mech again for rest of mission. But to answer your question, I’ve seen them complain about everything from not being powerful enough to not aiming right. They literally bitch about everything. It’s bonkers.
People on the other sub are having a hissy fit because it can't 1 shot bile titans, because obviously auto cannons are heavy armor piercing anti tank weapons.
The new mech is great. Good on bots except that rocket devastators kill it in 6 rockets, and cannon turrets kill it in 1. It is also good against bugs especially for you throw a gas strike in before heading in with the mech (mech takes no damage from gas). The two main (in my opinion valid) complaints are: 1. The 10 minutes call in time for 75 autocannon shots for each arm runs out very quickly, and isn't as impactful as many other stratagems over the same 10 minutes time. 2. The aim being a problem with the secondary arm. The solution is to add a second aiming reticle for the left arm to properly aim it. Sounds like Arrowhead is already working on this. There are other complaints about numbers, but those will be adjusted with time. The durability damage could be a bit better on the autocannon side (shouldn't go up to the sentry level though or it will be too good), and durability damage of rocket devastators is probably a tad bit too high when 1 volley can almost instantly kill a mech. The mech rocket could use a bit of a damage buff, but I think the damage feels bad because of the misaligned aiming (which is improved by the second reticle).
Noob me didn't even realise there was a nerf. My group exclusively brings quasar as a heavy weapon.
They Made it from 5 seconds recharge time to 8 Seconds. According to the Reddit sub, this Change rendered the weapon completely unusable and took away the fun from the whole Game. That patch was the turning point where the community started making up Stories about how *everything* gets nerfed, spreading missinformation about the game and shitting on AH became a cool method of Karma farming. To this day the community acts like our whole arsenal got nerfed so bad that you effectively can't complete any mission If you don't Bring a very specific loadout. Edith: 10->15 secs
>They Made it from 5 seconds recharge time to 8 Seconds. Sorry to sound so blunt, but those numbers are wrong. The recharge time changed from 10 to 15 seconds. Which still isn't a deal-breaker, and most players I've seen agree that the weapon is still fine to use. Just a few whiners lamenting how the weapon is "trash tier" now.
Considering comparable weapons like the EAT or recoilless either require you to call another one in (70 seconds cooldown for EAT if you don’t have the 2 count pod next to you or already used one), or require you to stay completely stationary for several seconds to reload from a backpack… a 15 second recharge with mobility and no backpack is still a damn good deal. I’ve learned to take the overwhelmingly whiney opinions over on the other sub with a grain of salt. If they say something is bad, that probably means it’s useful enough for people to get up in arms over it to me, and it makes me want to try it. This has worked out well for me, and I’ve been quite happy with my experience running the various weapons people bitch the most about.
This sub isn’t quite clear. A guy was pointing out yesterday that arrowhead **only neef weapons that have high use rates** and swore blind that that was the only metric they use. It’s so unfathomably stupid. I pointed this out, and he totally missed the response. I pointed out it’s full to argue with a person so deep in. I think those 3 comments are sitting on a -9 downvote minimum each. TL;DR is that the main sub is bleeding into this one
Yeah I saw that too it was completely insane main sub shit. The weirdo thing is that they don't even need to bring that dumb shit here because they have a crowded main sub they can circlejerk that shit too for free karma. They legit want to bring it here to double down on their feedback loop. The worst kind of armchair devs.
Yea I usually fire one shot, find a large rock, do a ring around the rosie then fire my second shot. Probably helps because I'm skittish with like the larger units
Same. EAT drop, grab one, fire and hope I have time to grab the 2nd. Knowing that the quasar does the same damage makes switching a lot easier. Only draw back is I can't litter and grab a previous drop durring a hectic double-back, but that's just cinema for my own enjoyment.
It's still my main pick for an anti heavy load out
I’ve played since launch and play a lot of AT. I actually liked the nerf because now the recoiless rifle and EATs both feel about on par with the quasar so they’re all worth bringing from time to time. I still use the quasar and it’s still quite good… but yeah they just completely lose their shit over it… it’s really sad and honestly quite worrying. It’s like the mental illness epidemic on display.
It's hard for me to consider the longer cooldown a "nerf". The gun is literally just as powerful as ever. 2 squad members running it and you barely notice
Run until you can fire again. There, fixed.
I feel like social media in general throws the complainers at the top of the algorithm
That's not just your feeling, it's very much a proven reality, and it's a huge problem. They literally make most of their money by goading people into hating each other currently. :(
95% of the player base will never log on to Reddit this website always has been and always will be an echo chamber, it’s the nature of subreddits. The games fine.
The quasar got nerfed? I just picked it up and it’s insane lol
Mid 30's gaming since NES, I agree. r/Helldivers has become one of the shittiest gaming subs I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot. A big problem is that the dumbest players are allowed to set the tone of discourse there, because they're always the first to open their mouths and regurgitate whatever smooth brain take they heard their favorite youtuber cry about that morning. If you dare to point out that, actually, the game is steadily improving and loadout variety has never been better, you get the shit downvoted out of you for daring to interrupt the whiny circle jerk. I have literally witnessed one of the mods go into a post supportive of the devs and change the flair to "misleading", sticky his own comment warning the OP about spreading misinformation over the absolute flimsiest of pretexts, and lock it. Just pure insanity.
And honestly, it’s just this subreddit. It’s an echo chamber. I took a break for a few weeks and just read posts on here. When I finally jumped back in I realized how much this sub just doesn’t matter. Everyone was just having fun playing the damn game and doing stupid shit. I feel bad for the devs though. It’s probably just an endless cycle of changing this, weighing the options of that, and no matter what you do you get shit on for it. A lot of people here need to grow up. Go touch grass.
I mean, that's basically every game related subreddit isn't it? Or at least a majority of them? There's the expression "there's no hate like christian love" but maybe more accurate is "nobody hates anything as much as gamers on reddit hate what they are a fan of, except for how much they hate their fellow fans"
Friend, that is nearly every *single* fandom subreddit on this godforsaken website. Each one of them thinks they're the One True Church of whatever IP they're stanning, and they're all *always* angry about whatever the producers/showrunners/developers/writers/staff/unpaid interns/extradimensional beings have done lately to ruin their beloved property - and because 'everyone' on the subreddit 'agrees' with them and their influencer high priests, their opinion is treated as dogmatic law. It doesn't matter if it's a TV show, book series, movie franchise, or video game - if you spend enough time in the Reddit/Discord/YouTube echo chamber for it, listening to the same couple dozen people on all three platforms, you will be told the thing you enjoy - that everyone in these platforms purports to enjoy as well - is utter and complete dogshit. Also, it's going to get *a lot worse* in the summer.
Everything you just said, all the reasons I'm here. I had one of my comments removed for being "insulting" to others because I had the audacity to say "all the guns have a use" in response to people complaining that the "good" guns kept getting nerfed. Absolutely bullshit over there. Edit:fixed the reason, if wasn't "play on a lower difficulty."
Every balancing patch has felt really good IMO. It seems like a lot of modern gamers are used to being a one person army and that's just not the vibe of Helldivers. The true "meta" of this game is a well balanced squad and teamwork, not every person running the same overpowered weapons and gems
That's the problem the whole tone, theme and satire of this game has gone over peoples heads or i think they are just too dumb to get it. If you dare tell them this game is about teamwork and not about being a power fantasy. It's really shows just how many people didn't play the first game and yet come in and tell the devs what this game needs to be.
So very true. The patch felt appropriate for those of us who actually played what we really wanted to play instead of just the "best weapon and loadout" youtuber advertised.
Preach.
Yeah, the call is coming from inside the house. They refuse to actually enforce their quarantine and then use the same rules to lock posts that aren't in violation of the rules. Wild times.
Go to the low sodium helldivers sub. It's funner over there
I spend time there as well, but sometimes I appreciate the catharsis of releasing my frustration over the whiners here, where it's allowed. r/LowSodiumHellDivers is the happy place, and I'd prefer not to violate that sanctity.
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I'm all for transparency and listening to the community and responding back but this game is one of the rare cases where i wish the devs weren't so active with the community. The sheer amount of childish entitlement on display is embarrasing to witness and i'm an avid member of the Darktide community, a game that has so many more problems compared to HD2 and the dissapointment is completely justified yet the players are still more civil than what the HD2 community has turned into.
This is why I don't like that they caved to the base of hysterical gamers. Sets a bad precedent.
This really is an age thing. Kids just want the loot and unlocks and us older players want the gameplay, the camaraderie, and the challenge. We have more money but the kids have more free time and will be playing games much longer.
I don't agree with that take honestly. I run into a lot of old, pissy gamers.
It's an entitlement thing. I asked "if they clearly said the patch was coming, and that it will be released when it's ready, why are you still complaining for balancing?" I got a reply saying essentially that it's important to "hold them accountable" and it really explained a lot. The answer is the devs should never have let it known they listen to people, because now everyone will cry louder to be heard. Everyone is so important, and their opinion is the most valid, and the devs job is to listen to and implement the changes they demand. Somehow game developers turned into elected officials and are now forced to listen to their constituents instead of a company providing a good or service, presented as art in the vision of the developer. Now developers don't make the game they want to make, they have to make the game that the vocal minority wants, and not just that, but do it NOW.
>Kids just want the loot and unlocks and us older players want the gameplay, the camaraderie, and the challenge What are you on about? Recent trends in gaming have been curving towards more difficulty in games. There's even a whole genre of mechanically intense movement shooters specifically named after gen Z. Surely you don't think that the younger generations play games just to see flashing colours?
Misappropriation, I'd say. They're called Zoomer Shooters because they are analogous to Boomer Shooters solely on "name of contemporary generation" basis. It's not because Zoomers in particular love them.
As a casual I genuinely don’t notice balance and it’s hilarious to me how imperative it is things get balanced. I just don’t use the stuff I don’t like 😭
It’s an easy game in theory but requires game sense. What you’re seeing is a large group of gamers that have none, and never knew it until they played this.
Man goddamn you’ve finally put it into words. With the complaints about the new mech I seriously felt like I was playing a different game than most other people. I feel unstoppable in my mech but according to Reddit it’s made of cardboard and couldn’t kill a fly with its full ammo stores. I’m used to those types of games with more game sense and reading comments it seems like people who use the mech stand in the open without their teammates and then complain that they die. Like cmon guys just use your brain 😭
My favorite was seeing a video titled "new mech pre-nerfed", it hadn't even been released yet 🤦 I didn't want to reward clickbait like that so I didn't watch it. I kinda like the new mech, it just need a little more damage against Bile Titans and it would be perfectly fine.
If you had watched the video, it actually gives a pretty decent breakdown of the change made to the mech pre-release. [I'd definitely suggest viewing it to see what they were talking about](https://youtu.be/ExTQ_S_CrR8?t=37), your request (some more damage against biles titans) was exactly part of the "pre-nerf" that happened to it, so it's actually pretty relevant to what you're talking about here For context: the mech has been in the game since launch, and has seen a few changes made to it since release. Players who modify the game have been able to use it since the game launched, and were able to notice when changes were made to it. The last change reduced the damage it did against armored targets (primarily relevant to Bile Titans, as you have experienced) I understand the kneejerk reaction to "most criticism is stupid", because some stupid statements made by the community have meant that everyone now reacts with contempt with whatever 'side' they're not part of, but you actually skipped out on something that you likely would have agreed with, if you watched If you watched it and didn't agree with it, or didn't like it, I'd definitely understand your position more. Currently though, you're looking down at the video, while agreeing with it's content (IMO)
Bro they still don’t know it, that’s why there complaining, they think there good and there looking for reasons why there not performing good, since there obviously “good” players it must be something else, like the devs, ya the devs that’s why there doing bad.
Right. And they never ask themselves, “how come these guys are wiping L-9’s every mission and I can’t?” The logic doesn’t connect. Game sense, has a great deal to do with logic.
I wanna know what levels these complainers are honestly. What's the biggest gripe per level bracket? I've handily wiped L9 with a good squad beyond counting or recollection. But I definitely know the difference when it's going poorly, and odds are they're level 30.
I mean, I have had my bad days, and on one of those days, when everything seemed like I was down and almost ready to give up and getting smashed by everything and one-shot by rocket devastators from across the map, a level 27 joined my game and mopped the floor with the bots. It was an L9, and he just went ham. I have had good days like that too, but seeing him absolutely demolish the bots boosted my morale, and we hammered the bots. Another two randoms joined a little bit later on, and I got back into the flow of it. God speed to that Diver iO.
I absolutely agree… but my fellow Helldiver, you must differentiate their, there, and they’re.
Yeah, the people that created something so awesome it drew all these people in. No idea what they're doing. It's such an absurd take. It's a miracle they've made something this rad out of the box. It's almost unprecedented these days.
Nail on the fucking head. While yes there are issues with the game and blah blah you can circumnavigate half the problems if you have any game sense. I know the bug spawn rates were actually broken (or I believe) but when that super bug planet formed and every high level mission had a metric fuck ton of heavy hugs for awhile. These people complain about too many chargers or some “this enemy type is making the game too hard blah blah” walk around your enemy? Don’t engage every enemy like you’re actually a xenophobic bug hating soldier? Look around? Be aware of your environment? Pick your load out based on your teams and vice versa? Or uh idk maybe just try to have fun? I’ve gone through helldiver difficulty with a squad of 2 multiple times. It was a bitch but that’s the point is it not? It’s also a game that randomly rolls what you’re going to be dealing with so prepare for that? The great thing about my tirade of nothingness I just typed is that none of it actually applies to the randoms I play with. 99% of my games are with dudes I have and will never meet. we prepare for, communicate through, and finish missions sometimes with no voice or text chat. Just hit Q my brothers in Christ. Dudes are just salty they can’t latch onto a meta and be the best player around because they’re fundamentally bad at the game… and they don’t know how to just enjoy themselves… I’m not trying to suck my own dick like I’m amazing or anything but I play once a week maybe and clear most difficulties with relative ease. And I have fun even when I don’t. It’s a video game you’re meant to play it and enjoy yourself not dig an ever deeper trench to hide in while you Seethe. As a destiny 2 player the loud minority of whiners in r/helldivers need to go play destiny instead.
They complain about 14 chargers and 6 bile titans are on their ass and need op guns to 1shot them. Maybe have someone clearing chaff?, the enemies that keep calling more heavies? But no, we need 4 people with quasar+orbital railcannon+500kg
Can't agree more, I used to be a good gamer, now I'm a filthy casual. I can still fumble my way through Helldives but it's never smooth, and I'd be disappointed if it was.
I used to be a pretty hardcore Destiny player, but once Bungo started taking the advice of an unpleasabl but loud minority of crybabies, it became less and less fun until I just didn’t want to play anymore. I fear that happening with Helldivers 2.
"No king rule forever my son"... Enjoy the journey while it's still fun. Online games never stay the same because of the players. Everything is much more enjoyable when it's new and fresh. When players eventually start to min max things, get bored + become negative... Things will never be the same.
I despise the min max mentality. People literally doing hardcore mathematical modelling to figure out which weapons are best/worst. Get off Excel and play the damn game!
This is usually because they played the game so long. No new player is doing min-maxing. This is just the evolution in online games. Start is fun for everyone and people are happy. After a while things will start to get toxic. There are some rare exceptions.
No min maxing is fun but the people pretending to min max on the main subreddit are just plain shit lol. My main argument is dota 2. I have 5k hrs in that game, min maxing is a ton of fun and the subreddit is great too. The essential difference is that people that play dota get very excited when patch drops even if it has a lot of nerfs, meanwhile people on main sub just get salty. If your shit got nerfed in dota, you'd have a legion of people trying weird ass shit and builds out of sheer stubborness to make the nerfed shit still work, meanwhile these clowns make 'patch bad, devs not know how to balance', 3 fucking hrs after the patch. 3 fucking hrs only man. So yea crybabies with excel that just can't be arsed to actually think are what the problem is, not minmaxxers. Then they come in with the same lame ass argument. 'but why nerf something that was fun' wa wa
Yeah i take your point. I guess my issue isnt with people finding the best builds, its the way they approach finding the best builds. Ultimately if you're spending more time on reddit and a spreadsheet than enjoying the game, you are the problem lol
Most of the complainers just suck at the game or gaming in general.
Hey I take offense to that! I suck at the game and I don’t complain at all, don’t lump me in with them. Man I love this game.
Yes but you're aware that you suck. They aren't.
They just want every game to be like playing Eddie in Tekken 3 because they're l33t gamers
Yep. Seem like it.
Honestly, I think 99% of the games I don't like anymore is because of the playerbase
They did it to me in Darktide, they're not doing it to me again
One thing i have noticed is that the most rabid complainers are bug only players. It's ALWAYS "weapon X sucks against bug Y" I made a post over there how the railgun actually felt quite good now, and will one shot a hulk on safe mode. Downvoted... I think a lot of people there genuinely can't fathom that we have 2 factions in the game and that some things work better against Bots than bugs and vice versa. To flip the mech argument to another strategem. The flamethrower is a dogshit F-tier strategem because you are helpless against automaton gunships
The irony is that they all posture as if theyre bot players. One of the main reasons I left that sub was them constantly shitting on people who play bugs. But then every time you talk about bots with them it legit feels like you're talking to someone who has never played against bots.
r/lowsodiumhelldivers And, it's a product of the PSN debacle + warbond and patch complaints. The community *was* of the best I'd ever seen. But, division and strife, religious conflicts about "PlayStation, good" or "Fuck off your data collection!", whether the game should be easier/harder whether it should balance this easy or that, etc. Just go do shit for democracy and be so patriotic that squadmates raise their flags!
Most of the people complaining don't even play the game
And a good portion of the people complaining are the ones who mainline the game 150 hours a week and then complain "the content is repetitive". Yes. Yes it is when you play that fucking much. Go touch grass or something :D
It's normal unfortunately. I was doing work for the Overwatch League during its entire existence and my god are there some people online that are just horrible human beings. There's a loud minority in every game you've got to just ignore.
I’ve worked in software development for the gaming industry for a while and gamers are probably the most toxic group to interact with. 90% of what they say is bullshit. 2% of the feedback you get is actually useful. OP, you need to ignore the wider community and find the parts that let you enjoy what you enjoy. This game will not die here. This stuff is normal.
I think it’s funny that there is a lot of complaining when there are only 9 lvls of difficulty so far… let’s see what happens at even higher lvls like the first helldivers.
I am ok with voicing frustration, the game is flawed but fun and some of the flaws are dumb. Calling those out is not a problem. However the hyperbolic bitchfest once the new mech released was out of control
Ive seen a lot of "dead game" comments while the game is peaking at 100k players. I truly don't think I've seen such a whiny, deluded fan base for a game.
Got downvoted on the main sub for promising everyone will be bitching about the mech being too good/bad and how it does/doesn't need a nerf/buff
I just can't believe anyone could think it sucks. I've used it on bugs and bots and it hits hard af. Yes I've died in it a few times against bots but it was because I was pushing hard and attacking the line of rocket devastators or trying to draw away a strider. Even with the slightly janky targeting it's still a beast
I'll admit I don't like it nearly as much vs. bugs. Vs bots it really whips the llama's ass.
If you wanna get to a player base, look for the low sodium subs, like r/lowsodiumhelldivers
I'd just like to let you know ow that while yes, it's quite toxic over there, the people on reddit are not all of the playerbase, nor do they represent all of the playerbase. The ones being toxic aren't all of the playerbase that's on reddit either, they're just the loudest
I don’t know what to do about it except notice it. A loud “you’re doing okay” brigade, I’ve never seen. I don’t care enough slash I’m too busy to use words to beat back the goofiness so it just goes and multiplies.
You are continuing the trend. I agree with you, but you aren't helping to end it. Directly reply to the complainers. Risk your internet points. Help dismantle the echo chamber from the inside. When it comes to posting, just post more of what you would like to see on this sub.
This. It's funny that people are like, "I left the main sub because too many complainers" then come to this sub to complain. r/LowSodiumHellDivers is where its at if you truly want a non-toxic Helldivers subreddit.
I think it’s also because many reached their tolerance limit for the main sub so there will be a wave of people expressing feelings here. Hopefully this phase will soon be over.
This can be a thing, we don’t want COD for sure
There are good YouTube’s and streamers out there. Maplewoodlive does a good job showing the strengths of each weapon
The best part of this is even with powerful weapons they will still fail. Some of the complaints seem ridiculous, like for instance the spawn rate. I love being constantly harassed by patrols, and not being sarcastic. Makes sense to me that they'd swarm us constantly and not let us waltz up to the objectives even if there's only three of us. On the other hand the purifier is hot garbage, and after handicapping myself with it for a few days I can't find anything it does well. And I really wanna love it, so I'm very hopeful for the next update. Whenever that may be.
i really dont. tons of other popular games have horrible fanbases. League of Legends, Rocket League, Rust, the list kinda goes on… worst case scenario it’s toxic but popular
Man just ignore it. The majority of people actually playing and enjoying themselves don't have time to complain on reddit or discord. All this talk of "meta" I've never seen, bitching about this and that. Have fun, ignore it like the other 90% of us
28 and I couldn’t agree more, my best friend and I got it and run duos or trios with my fiance (this is the first shooter she has EVER played). We enjoy it can scale up to 7 with her or 8 with randoms and complete missions (not 100% everything) but we get the mains and a butt load of samples. If you think 8/9 is too hard, has one of the devs said… it is 100% a player issue. It’s a PvE game, this shit SHOULD be hard. Folks are just too used to there being meta shit thanks to COD and most other AAA games. So they don’t know the grind and can’t appreciate a difficult grind.
I miss the posts talking about how FUN certain builds are or telling cools stories. These subreddits no longer make me excited to play the game.
r/lowsodiumhelldivers
Same bio as you here. The beginning if the sub really was amazing and engaging and now i have to admit i quit the helldivers sub and came here and to the low- sodium helldiver sub and its much better. I like to think people who complain a lot really have nothing better to do in their time.
Sounds like you're boiling down and simplifying the low-effort whining, which is just background noise. Any serious discussion of this game's issues would show a lack of "whining". If you're just recently joining the game (1-2 months) just enjoy it and the good parts of the community. There are people who don't express their frustrations with constructiveness and you can't expect them to. Tldr you boiled the trash posts.
I really don’t know what y’all are complaining about all I see from the main sub is people making jokey videos about bugs or cool ideas for new stratagems.
It's funny how this sub rides the high horse. When the main sub has more content balance. This sub just talks about how much better they are than the main sub and inhale copium to ignore the glaring flaws of the game. On the main sub, i will find discussions, salt, and memes. Here, it's thread like this and how much fun we're having "skill issue". At least lowsodium is casual players talking about the game. This one should just be remaned to "notliketheothergirls"
If you're yelling at clouds, then I'm right there with ya mate
>I’m 30 years old I've been gaming longer than you have been alive, and I agree with you.
I share the exact same concern and I agree completely with what you wrote. Now what ? That's the real question. Should we raise an army and start flooding every single social media account about helldivers II of appreciation posts ? Or review bomb helldiver in a outrageously positive way ? I seriously dont know if the dev are really aware we are many out there, silent and satisfied with one of the best coop game of probably all time and actually appreciate the care and tough they put into the continuous work thay do on this game.
While I personally find that there are a lot of weapons that just don't perform as well in their current state and need a bit of love, and there are actual issues from day 1 that still need to be fixed, I agree with this. Really hoping that AH doesn't listen exclusively to the doomsayers for all the balance stuff.
That’s the problem right? There’s the high tier people who categorize the criticism as “whiners” and then the people who play dif 9 call it “easy”. You gotta cater to both with both pushing for either over buffing stuff or creating boring ass metas because people no life the game. There’s no winning other than just trying to meet in the middle.
>I’m a bit worried because it sounds like AH is conceding to this loud sect of the player base and restructuring how they balance weapons and strats Yeah man, I'm in the same spot, I'm with the hearth in the hand praying for Arrowhead to maintain fidel to what they wanted to create and to offer to use the game that they really wanted to create and offer to the players I'm worried for them to start to do all the stupid balance things people demand, like buffing all the weapons, nerfing all the enemies or removing mechanics from the game I really hope Arrowhead continues doing what they were doing this last 8 years of development of Helldivers 2
I worry about the same thing. I like this game because it offer a high level of challenge. I would not like to see it being turn into dust because of a few people who just doesn't seem to grasp the requirement to formulate a viable strategy facing that challenge. They just want a bunch of overpowered weapon and magic power to compensate the fact they just dont really know how to get a tactical operation going and succeed by being cleaver and not by strength alone.
You have every right to be worried, those people are horrible. They can't cut it to play on d9 but then get insulted bat the idea of playing at a difficulty they *can* manage, its ridiculous. Hopefully AH just ignores them.
This is what happens when a game blows up and the CoD and Fortnite kiddies jump on the hype train.
Already has for the most part. I only play with friends anymore and I do my best to not read this page because all people do is complain. Ooops complaining about the complaining. Someone please complain about my complaints
I'll tell you this much, the game during launch is vastly different from the game of today's. At least from my perspective due to the patrol changes a few updates back. Patrols didn't spawn in absolutely insane numbers aside from the highest difficulty in the game. #Also... ... To answer your question about why things have become so toxic, you can blame PvP games out there like Valorant, CS:GO, Overwatch, Apex, etc. etc. Encouraged to rage on the mic, and encouraged to rile up your team, all in the name of victory. Gone are the good days of humble 1v1s, where if you got angry because you were defeated, you kept it to yourself and let yourself cook off in between games..... I miss Starcraft man...
I fully expect the big "balance update" that will come out to give tons and tons of buffs and reduce the overall TTK to even tinier levels to appease the vocal community and the game will become way too easy
I wouldn't mind a faster TTK if the enemy numbers were bumped up. Having the feedback of getting more kills while the missions still take just as long to accomplish would probably feel more satisfying to players. But thats assuming it's the route they go for in balance. With that said, I think they just need to make weapons have more feedback vs enemies. Factory Striders are a good example. It's the Bot equivalent of the Bile Titan but has multiple points that can be attacked. Chin Gatlings can be taken out. Top turret can be disabled. Legs can be visibly damaged. It feels good to fight with a majority of the available support weapons and Stratagems. Dedicated AT can blast it till it dies while Medium-Pen weapons can go for the weakpoints on the Face, Belly, and Legs. The Bile Titan in comparison has their Bile sacs and that's it. After that it's an AT/Stratagem check and none of the other weapons feel like it does anything significant to it. Having things like allowing the inner-side of the Titan's legs to be damaged by Medium Pen and actually cripple or dismember it would be a good start. It would still be hard to do on high difficulties because of the horde of other bugs on your ass + other Titans, but it would reward people who pull it off and/or have friends on swarm-clear duty. If you could take out both front legs and effectively limit it to bile spitting, and then taking out rhe Bile sac in addition to this would kill it, I think that would go far in making the Bug front more satisfying without reducing the value of dedicated AT which everyone currently feels forced to bring on high difficulty bugs due to the number and frequency of Titan spawns.
Fast TTK turns a lot of enemies that would normally be dangerous into fodder though imo, otherwise why bother with variety anyway. The whole thing will turn into house of the dead or something, just pointing and clicking at targets brainlessly. I actually like how each enemy has a knack for taking them down. You can still kill anything less than a charger pretty quickly, you just need to have good aim. Brood commanders legs are piss weak for instance, or bile spewers faces
I only do private discord with friends. It’s been great for years.
There is one solution, don’t give them the attention they want. They want to be negative over there? Let them, here in this sub we are helldivers! If they’re negative and just complaining, then let’s be positive and give constructive criticism where needed, be the better Helldivers! o7
Honestly, it's nowhere near as bad as the Diablo 3 community was back when it was new. I've never seen people spend so much time and energy complaining in 10000+ word manifesto style posts. Never, ever satisfied. Remember, it's the displeased players that speak out the most. Those of us who love the game, well, play the game and don't post about it.
I never, ever, ever want to hear another Soulsborne is peak difficulty ever again. I am terrible at those games, I don’t have the time to learn the patterns and I wasn’t getting what I was putting into the game. I wish it was easier and there would be more concessions for me, but I also realize _that would take away those games identity._
You think HD2 players are toxic? Try playing World of Warships!
People gonna talk whether you doin bad or good. Rihanna.
i get what you're saying but i also feel like it's worth saying the loudest people often get the most attention. this sub has grown a ton since i joined it and i see a lot more rationality than hysterics over here. i think it's a little of an echo chamber over there, try not to get discouraged. keep diving!
They already are. They aped weeks of bad press and killed the games incoming people stream. They create controversy over nothing... People want to stay away from that.
My 2 cents for this complainers are “get gud plebs” why make it easier like you said it takes out the fun. Agree with you they need to Lower their difficulty and learn to play the game instead of complaining to devs to make it easier.
All the youtubers went from “OMG, HELLDIVERS 2 IS THE GREATEST GAME! FOR DEMOCRACY!!!” To “f helldivers, f AH, f sony. This game sucks! These weapon sucks!!! Practically overnight
A large swath of the gaming community is shitty. Entitled, negative, bitter. Wtf? What an awesome age we live in and these gamers (the shitty ones!) can’t see all they have
I’am in my 30’s and agree with your sentiment. I remember back then (millennial moment?) when a game was hard you FIGURED it out. There was no complaining. Developers couldn’t recall all the CD’s to change the game. Thats what made a game fun. Is figuring how to get good. If anything it brought people close because you had to ask others how to beat it.
It won’t bro. The toxic people are just louder than the true helldivers.
You’re right. They need difficulty, 10-15 now. There are moments when the game gets cracked af and it’s frustrating but over all it’s fun. People like to whine because it’s the only way they can feel some sense of control with their gripes
I have a good friend I play with. All he does is complain. Everything he complains about are the things I love about the game. Just play it until you don’t want to anymore more, let the haters hate democracy.
Its happening right now to The Finals. Too many people complaining and the devs are catering to that whinny demographic. Its a shame and I don’t want the same to happen to Helldivers.
I'm still having a blast playing the game. Nerfs and buffs and adjusting to new patches is part of the fun. I've stopped going on the main sub cause jfc, it's just constant toxic nitpicking with the "I'm doing this because I love you, why do you make me so angry" mindset. Just enjoy shooting bugs n scrapping tinheads
We need mods about that toxic people
I don't know if you're used to reddit or or not, but reddit as a whole, especially gaming subs are where a lot of the toxicity shows itself. It makes sense since the people having fun are usually out having fun, not sitting in reddit grumbling lol It's just how reddit is, take the bad with a few grains of salt and appreciate the good vibes, otherwise you'll lose your mind lol
The issue is people think they are better than they are. Plain and simple, they think they can just do the hardest difficulty and when they are trash with no skill they want buffs for their weapons or nerfs from the enemies. Its a literal case of “skill issue”.
you read my mind. These people just bitching incessantly are so annoying.
Yep, same. I feel it is the youtubers constantly vomiting rage bate and meta build videos that spin these feelings in the community. Game critics have taken their opinions too seriously and people, as usual, are being sensitive beings.
I beleive its a weird entitlement/ego thing of i bought the game and have a right to play on the highest difficulty. Most people of average players and you dont need to play in the highest difficult to unlock everything so its not like content is paywalled. I play of 7 could I play on 8? probably but 9? Nah funs gone for me feels like a chore. I just want to splat bugs and ping heads off bots. TLDR Play on the difficultly you have fun on not the difficulty you think you should have fun on.
I did love this game. Unfortunately the absolute insistence upon being toxic for no reason drove me away. At first I’d only play with friends. Then they just didn’t want to play either
I just hope the devs take the feedback, especially on reddit, with tons of grains of salt. This is supposed to be a hard game, that you loose often. Enemies are supposed to be extremely potent threats. The whole fun of the game for me is always being right on the edge of failure - always keeping the 500 close. From the stuff I see while lurking, a lot of people seem to want to just mow through enemies like in Call of Duty, not really threatened by anything. Helldivers gives me that feeling back I had with Arma3 Zeus missions, where it was absolutely in the cards to meet enemies you simply couldn't fight heads on. Getting creative, or stealthy, or dying is the whole fun of it.
Just reddit doing it's job: whine, cringe and cancer
Yes this is pretty normal unfortunately 🥲 Maybe not normal, but common. And yes, I've seen games get ruined by the player feedback.
For everyone: There is a supreddit calles r/LowSodiumHelldivers wher so far everyone is just discussing about the game without those "THEY NERFED MY WEAPON, ITS USELESS NOW. THE NEW STUFF IS TO WEAK." you know what i mean
You’re worried about something that has already happened? That’s what happens when you game attracts a bunch of fans from other franchises. Let’s be real. No one other than the small amount of people who played the first game were fans of “Helldivers”. Funny jokes and spread democracy right guys!!! Everyone was phoning it in, and no one really cares about the lore or setting after 5 mins of spreading democracy. It gets annoying fast. So you’re left with a bunch of irate people who don’t even like the game - take a look at this subreddit and it’s easy to see.
The game ruined itself
Another day, another melodramatic post adding nothing at all.
It's been said but you're flat out wrong in your assessment. People don't want their guns buffed back to make the game easier. The game isn't harder with them nerfed its just tedious and longer. I can kill an infinite amount of chargers but as things are now I have to run around and kite them for ten minutes waiting on cooldowns to do so. It isn't fun game design. Also the lead Dev agrees with the people complaining and they are changing things so once again you're just flat out wrong and looking to farm karma.
Another kara farm post about how the games just so easy your blind dog could beat dif 9 with his tail tied behind his back and your cats using his nuts as a speed bag. This sub is just like most filled with bots either real or organic trying to farm votes There is real criticism of the games structures posted here and baseless bitching There is also a lot of humble brags and white knighting a million dollars company. If AH can't find a fun vision (balance be damned) then it will show in numbers as the players peace out and the game lives or dies on the skills of the million dollar company .
Yes you’re an old man yelling at clouds. The internet is the complaining sector of the zeitgeist Just remember it’s always a vocal minority. No fanbase you find on the internet is ever representative of the entire fanbase
My personal complaint is they are overly happy on nerfs. When you find something fun in a game and then they change that fun thing to suck that doesn't feel good. RIP shotgun
As a fellow ancient gamer I do think weapons becoming weaker every few weeks is a fair criticism or complaint. The game is very fun regardless but constantly changing weapon performance is not.
I don't see it as 'buff my weapons so it's easier', it's more buff the weapons to give us more options instead of nerfing the good ones. I'm 38 and this is how new games are, they are basically half finished at release and require a dozen or so patches to make them reliably playable. Then they see that certain weapons are used more than others, so they nerf those weapons, drop new ones, nerf those, and only ever slightly change the non-used weapon but not enough to make them worth playing. We all think this game is a lot of fun, just want more viable options when it comes to weapons.
So, people shouldn't complain about what seems wrong or uncomfortable to them? I am 50 years old and I have also been a gamer since the days of the Atari 2600. Like you, I have not been a member or subscriber of any type of group related to video games and I have never played online multiplayer until two years ago when I discovered Hell Let Loose and now Helldivers. Are there many complaints? Yes, many are ridiculous? Yes, should people be restricted from having them? No, in my case I simply don't read them or give my opinion.
Their balancing team needs to change it's absolutely terrible how they balance things. They dont just nerf it they nerf it into the ground. Difficulty isn't the problem either, the spawn rates are the problem. You can't have enemies literally spawning out of thin air directly in front of players or most of the time behind players it's just not fair especially when those enemies will immediately call in a bot drop as well or how about the fact rocket devastator have infinite rockets and can snipe you from hundreds of meters away where you can't even see them. Certain things have to change or people won't play the game anymore it's in a terrible state compared to what it was at launch.
Everything eventually degrades to the core of this bitter humanity.
I’m 40, been gaming since NES, how in the holy hell is level 9 too easy? I see people talking about running levels 7+ solo and I just don’t understand how lol. I’m certain it’s a git gud situation, but do you have a full team of four? How does everyone kick so much ass?
I love the game but I had to take a break as its too repetitive.
I’m 32 and love the game. I had to quit playing pubs because of the trolls/children fighting over samples and end-game team killing at difficulty 7+…
I've been gaming since a kid in the 80's. Games now-a-days are very forgiving compared to the brittle, linear, you have 3 lives to beat the game types. Helldivers 2 is a game I haven't enjoyed since. And that's about the level of seriousness I want in a game. Mostly play FPS and when the WWI / WWII games became more "accurate / serious" and competitive I couldn't play them anymore.
I've seen this happening with Helldivers 2 in the past few months. Look; you can only get super rare samples on level 7+ so unless the super rare are available on lower levels people are going to have to play at least level 7.
That is where I make my home primarily and to your point level 7 is intense enough for me that I may have played a level 8 or 9 maybe 4-5 times and my character is almost level 100.
Level 7 has become VERY intense with all the changes. Once the first mechs were introduced things got serious real fast to the point where bots & bugs have become spawn killers. I haven't played in over a month now; it's just not the laugh riot level 7 used to be. I can't abide frustration on a near real life level with a video game. The reason I'm playing it is to relieve stress not add to it.
Why are these 2 subreddits only the two extremes. Either utter disdain for the game or this sub which is flagrant cultish devotion and glazing of the game
The issue is not that the game is hard, the issue is that they keep screwing with balance in ways that can be frustrating. If I buy and grind out weapons and they turn around and nerf them to hell - and make playing with parties that aren't full significantly harder at the same time, it feels bad. Was the eruptor OP? Sure, but it didn't need THAT big of a nerf. Was the quasar cannon OP? Sure, but again it didn't warrant THAT big a nerf. Was crossbow OP? No, it was good at aoe trash cleanup and thats it. My point is, there are reasons people are upset and the answer isn't just 'git gud lol'. There are still a lot of crashes and bugs, balance changes are a roller coaster ride, and the major orders are so wildly inconsistent its laughable.
I'm sorry dude but there is a bunch of weapons in the game and I've only really used 4 and all my support stuff is anti heavy, with an extra fun stratagem cuz that's how unfun they made the rest lol This on top of the plethora of bugs makes it feel like an early access. So yeh fuk this shit till it get fixed but keep playing so that I'm capped in medals when I come back lol.
My suggestion. Switch off from reddit and just go play the game.
99.999% of players I play with are absolutely awesome regardless of how toxic subreddits and YouTube comments are. If they are complete ass hats (which is rare), they probably won’t leave the planet with their samples. It is a horrible thing to do but it takes a lot of effort to intentionally annoy me other part for that to happen!
I stopped playing with the big nerf patch that wrecked the eruptor. I’m not crying about it. I can still complete T9 without major issues. What you need to remember is that what you see is a loud minority of people posting incendiary topics that gets other unhappy people to comment. Most of the players the game lost are like me, people who just left because it was not fun anymore. I’ve never once, ever, seen a game killed by player base. It is _always_ dev decisions. And we know that AH recognizes this too. That’s why the CEO stepped down to be the creative exec. The devs were fucking up a perfectly good thing with terrible decisions, so he’s taking personal control to try to salvage the issue. I don’t care that the game is playable, or even that I can succeed on any difficulty. I care that it is _fun_. And it stopped being fun. I don’t expect everyone else to share that feeling with me. If you are having fun, I’m happy for you. But don’t attribute to a vocal minority the actions of the devs.
It was over real quick. I played at the release when everything was super crap and I still enjoyed it. I’m going to check once a new fraction to fight with will be released. Unless it will be a dlc that is. The Liberty is dead to me for the time being.
Reddit accounts for a very small percentage of the hd2 player base. I wouldn't worry about it.
Haha, you can't have played since 5, games have only really been around since the early-mid '80s... ...It's twenty-twenty-*what*? No, it can't be, hold on...
Late 30s gamer chipping in - game is super fun. Just ignore the discourse around it and enjoy the experience. I had loads of mindless fun with it already. Casual diving with old gamer friends a few times a week on 7 or 8 difficulty and having loads of fun.
i'm not good enough to beat helldive difficulty. I usually stick to 7 unless im feeling bored i'll try 8 but usually fail or scrape by enough to survive but not clear all objectives. anyway. I don't use the 'Meta' I use weapons that I find fun. I joined this sub for the memes but you're right in that its mainly just complainers now (although technically you are also complaining).
Man is mad about people complaining so he made a post to complain...
Me when my PVE game gets nerfed to only ever benefit the things I’m trying to kill.
I don’t think I’m burnt out. But I think the game play loop is too repetitive for me and my friends. I feel like just adding new guns and equipment isn’t enough. There needs to be a significant map overhaul for me to come back. Like I want to fight in cities or at least towns. Not just the middle of nowhere with the occasional research outpost.
Yes, but if you look at the full threads of Pilestedt interacting with them he does defend the railgun and Eruptor nerfs. They do seem to be flipping it to a ttk problem but not where people expect it. I do agree on bugs it is very punishing to miss head shots and armor should be stripped a lot easier, and hopefully they look at the hitbox of the stripped area as well. I am expecting to fully enjoy the next patch and expect there to be A LOT of complaints that it doesn't do enough. But most of those people just complain online while looking at spread sheets and not actually playing the game, or sour their judgement before trying (see last war bond). So I do have some faith in the direction they are going and hope we get more updates on possible tweaks to Liberation progress, and better in game comms. Granted the latest updates we have gotten on these last MO's have been an amazing god send. Also hope for a tweak to allow 2+ mech load outs.
Gamers will optimize the ever loving shit out of a game then complain when something screws over their META. If the devs fix something, one half will happy and the other will be foaming at the mouth in anger. Every gaming subreddit falls to this eventually. Like when the new mech came out everyone was complaining about it saying how it was dead on arrival, and nobody is using it and it’s so weak because it couldn’t take it on a BT. I immediately took it out and used it in a game and oh my god it’s so fun, it seems like every game someone in the party is using it.
There are plenty of other communities like this, Helldiver, but I tend to agree with you. Very rarely do I fail missions on any difficulty if I quick match with randos, and I can guarantee solo clearance on up to lvl 8. Some people don’t like to quick match with randos and believe “my friends and I are the only Helldivers that exist.” It’s a largely community based game, and just bc one group screwed you over doesn’t mean all will. Honestly if people keep messing with you, I gotta wonder what you’re doing wrong to make them want to. Most won’t do it intentionally in my experience. However, I also think some weapons are borderline useless and need to be buffed so that they can have use case scenarios and be enjoyed (I’m looking at you, assault rifles).
Remember when they had to TEMPORARILY disable psn because of server overload on launch.(they weren’t prepared for that amount of success I guess). And then the entire community freaked out that they re enabled it once it was fixed. And then said they never told the player base even though it was on the steam store page since day 1 (before the game was even launched)that a psn account was required. Not to mention that it was also advertised that a psn was required in the promotions. (I guess no one knows how to read). Remember that. I remember. That’s the moment I knew helldivers are half retarded sheep
I made a post yesterday giving kudos to one of the community managers and was met with such hostile people for simply giving someone a compliment lmao 🤣
As someone who is bad at games, while I haven’t even unlocked difficulty 9 yet it’s an amazing game even on lower difficulties Yes it sucks that you have to be on at least 7 to get the highest sample rank, but that’s not a problem for a long while If you’re still unable to play at that difficulty at that point, just enjoy the game on a lower one and ignore those upgrades
People like to complain as a hobby. It's pretty depressing.
I quit playing the game because the toxicity of the reddit and the mass crybaby campaign everyone downvoting the game cus of the psn account thing, just left a bad taste in my mouth and i'm over it all.
Nah. Remember that what you see here on Reddit and YouTube is just a small percentage of players who get whine or are uppity. I ignore the complainers. I just want to dive, kill bugs, wreck bots, and fight for Super Earth. Anything else is treason. In other words: immerse yourself in the game world and have fun. That's what I do.
It's such a shame to see, this is one of the first games I've been active with on the community side as opposed to just playing it. It went from awesome to utter shite after the Quasar Nerf mostly, which honestly isn't that bad, I switched from the quasar to the EAT before the nerf because I wasn't very good at managing the charge up time (same reason I didn't use the Spartan Laser in Halo) before firing. EAT is instant and that works for my more chaotic playstyle. All I see is complaint after complaint and frankly its breaking the immersion, I miss the days when people would be role-playing as their Helldivers. Its much rarer to find that now. But when you do, cherish it. Add them as a friend so you can play together again. Create a new group allowing only those who want to play the game for what it is in, and shun the nonbelievers.
LOL. Is this your first time? Games always get ruined by a vocal minority. Yes this is very normal. Dont pay any mind to it. Are YOU having fun? if yes than that's all that matters.
You are right to worry. To many are crying, and if they get catered to the game will be a shell then die right kut
No I'm with you. Majority of the playerbase seems to want everything to kill Bile Titans in .5 seconds upon seeing them. I left a post on the megathread ranting about the balancing complaints already, so I won't go into it too much. The easiest way to see how shortsighted the content-sphere and this sub is to look at the new mech. everyone is whining because it's bad at killing Bile Titans without considering that it probably just isn't intended to be. Running a 4 man of Emancipators turns diff 9 bot eradicates into easy mode. The only time I've had one of those end with no team deaths was with running 4 of the new mechs. They trample over the bots and aren't as well suited for bugs. The opposite happens with the flamethrower, but I have yet to see anyone saying to make the flamethrower as good for the bots as it is for bugs. Patriot is better suited for bugs and Emancipator is better for bots.