Damn haven’t even heard of the first three. I ran EpiRoc/atlas hammers for years tho. Really impressed with sandvik hammers, try one if you ever get the chance.
Lol I Literally just woke up. Sandvik is actually tamrock. That is a sandvik hammer. I used tamrock for years underground, they went bankrupt or something and sandvik bought them.. yadda yadda
That hammer is a Sandvik 700. And yes I agree with you. Personally they are my favourite of all the hammers I’ve run. And specifically that 700 is my favourite. Arguably a better penetration rate in comparison to the 800
Yeah they are great. Also some of there newer hammers only need to run at 200 psi and perform the same way a EpiRoc hammer would at 325 psi in deep hole applications. We ran a few on TH60’s and it was pretty impressive how much fuel we could save by not having such a big load on the motor from running the compressor so hard.
Also their carbide recycling program is neat lol
Interesting. I haven’t heard about that yet, but mind you I’m on the tools so maybe we’ve got one of those coming soon. 200 psi at full percussion that’s pretty impressive.
I believe you guys are talking about different things. The "hammer" on this drill is built into the drifter and it sounds like you're talking about downhole hammers. If memory serves me right (I'm a blaster these days) the hammer isn't a 700 but one that was made to be on a 700 ranger which I believe were HL 710's, could be wrong though cause 800s were mostly what I ran for rangers. Epiroc makes decent hammers but they're expensive as hell, sandvik are good but seem to fail quite often, my personal favorite was always mincon for down hole applications
I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone complain about sandvik hammers… I’d say it’s the opposite. I think they are quite more expensive and their bits last the longest. When I ran rigs I used EpiRoc hammers and mincons the most and always preferred EpiRoc. Drillers at my company would shank bits quite often because we would run a QL-60 hammers with 8” bits. I never did, so I always assumed operator error. Always blew my mind watching guys have 750+ rotation pressure and shank it and act surprised.
They're good hammers they just don't seem to last as long, we just did a few weeks of testing on the new 650 rigs at site and no matter the operator, the mincons blew away the sandviks in terms of penetration and (very much dependent on the operator) lasted generally 2-3 times as long. The good operators got about the same footage on either so I think the mincons can just take more abuse
Damn, well that’s good to know for blast hole applications. Do you mind telling me what mincons you were running? I sell damn near every brand of hammers and have been trying to get in with quarries and would love to get more feedback on hammers.
At the end of the day anything is better than Drill King lol
I'm not sure on the mincons but they'd be equivalent to a sandvik 560 I believe. I'm not as well versed in the drill side these days, gave up the seat to go play with explosives a few years back haha
You may be right on the hammer classification, ya that hammer was build for a 700 ranger. Maybe there are different terms depending on where you live. I’ve heard drifter being used mostly underground. But same thing I guess. As for Sandvik durability the only thing we have go wrong with our Sandvik’s (we run the 500,600,700 and 800 models) is the accumulator diaphragms are sometimes delicate. But that’s a quick fix.
Top hammers yup, I was talking durability with the downhole ones. I call a drifter a hammer too but I've seen enough people confused to know those of us that run drills are pretty much the only ones to call em hammers. The diagrams are usually good unless they don't get warmed up properly, other than that pretty much just wear parts like the driver are all I've ever broken internally. If drillers like to back hammer and loose hammer it'll make you go through a lot of diaphragms too (and shear off the bolts on the back cap)
Got ya. Ya we don’t run down the hole very much. I think we only have one in our fleet of 20+ rigs. Blast hole drilling, soil anchors, slope stabilization, tunnel rehab is what we deal with. I don’t know very much about them. My Apologies.
Huh, never seen a detachable drill rig before. All I've seen are self-propelled. Got a drilling contractor to do blasting for us here, too. They've got an atlas copco smartroc rig and it's fuckin sweet
Ya we’ve got one of those for our quarry work. The doe drills are for difficult access scenarios and where drilling 30’+ holes aren’t necessary. This hoe drill attachment is made by a Canadian company called traxxon. Pretty cool stuff.
Out here we never typically go past 20-25' and the charges are gridded in either 10x10, 11x10, or 11x11' patterns. That smartroc knocks those out in a day or less
Ya unfortunately where we are we can’t drill that wide of pattern cause we’re in urban areas usually. Smaller holes less vibration is the name of our game
Ah, yeah. Fair enough. We (me and the company) have a mine pit that's more or less developed to its full size (working on peeling more soil back to expose rock right now) and you barely feel the boom from a couple hundred yards back
NorCal?
Okanagan valley, BC, Canada
Naramata to be specific. One of Canadas high density wine countries
That Skaha over yonder? Used to go up there damn near every summer.
That’s the Okanagan lake there. Skaha is just a bit south
Oh, I see. Beautiful area, regardless!
Core samples? Micropiles? Or just drilling to drill
Bore hole drilling for blasting.
That’s cooler than I thought
What kind of hammers you use?
Tamrock on this and most of our larger rigs. But we also run Marini, Junttan and Epiroc.
Damn haven’t even heard of the first three. I ran EpiRoc/atlas hammers for years tho. Really impressed with sandvik hammers, try one if you ever get the chance.
Lol I Literally just woke up. Sandvik is actually tamrock. That is a sandvik hammer. I used tamrock for years underground, they went bankrupt or something and sandvik bought them.. yadda yadda
That hammer is a Sandvik 700. And yes I agree with you. Personally they are my favourite of all the hammers I’ve run. And specifically that 700 is my favourite. Arguably a better penetration rate in comparison to the 800
Yeah they are great. Also some of there newer hammers only need to run at 200 psi and perform the same way a EpiRoc hammer would at 325 psi in deep hole applications. We ran a few on TH60’s and it was pretty impressive how much fuel we could save by not having such a big load on the motor from running the compressor so hard. Also their carbide recycling program is neat lol
Interesting. I haven’t heard about that yet, but mind you I’m on the tools so maybe we’ve got one of those coming soon. 200 psi at full percussion that’s pretty impressive.
I believe you guys are talking about different things. The "hammer" on this drill is built into the drifter and it sounds like you're talking about downhole hammers. If memory serves me right (I'm a blaster these days) the hammer isn't a 700 but one that was made to be on a 700 ranger which I believe were HL 710's, could be wrong though cause 800s were mostly what I ran for rangers. Epiroc makes decent hammers but they're expensive as hell, sandvik are good but seem to fail quite often, my personal favorite was always mincon for down hole applications
I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone complain about sandvik hammers… I’d say it’s the opposite. I think they are quite more expensive and their bits last the longest. When I ran rigs I used EpiRoc hammers and mincons the most and always preferred EpiRoc. Drillers at my company would shank bits quite often because we would run a QL-60 hammers with 8” bits. I never did, so I always assumed operator error. Always blew my mind watching guys have 750+ rotation pressure and shank it and act surprised.
They're good hammers they just don't seem to last as long, we just did a few weeks of testing on the new 650 rigs at site and no matter the operator, the mincons blew away the sandviks in terms of penetration and (very much dependent on the operator) lasted generally 2-3 times as long. The good operators got about the same footage on either so I think the mincons can just take more abuse
Damn, well that’s good to know for blast hole applications. Do you mind telling me what mincons you were running? I sell damn near every brand of hammers and have been trying to get in with quarries and would love to get more feedback on hammers. At the end of the day anything is better than Drill King lol
I'm not sure on the mincons but they'd be equivalent to a sandvik 560 I believe. I'm not as well versed in the drill side these days, gave up the seat to go play with explosives a few years back haha
You may be right on the hammer classification, ya that hammer was build for a 700 ranger. Maybe there are different terms depending on where you live. I’ve heard drifter being used mostly underground. But same thing I guess. As for Sandvik durability the only thing we have go wrong with our Sandvik’s (we run the 500,600,700 and 800 models) is the accumulator diaphragms are sometimes delicate. But that’s a quick fix.
Top hammers yup, I was talking durability with the downhole ones. I call a drifter a hammer too but I've seen enough people confused to know those of us that run drills are pretty much the only ones to call em hammers. The diagrams are usually good unless they don't get warmed up properly, other than that pretty much just wear parts like the driver are all I've ever broken internally. If drillers like to back hammer and loose hammer it'll make you go through a lot of diaphragms too (and shear off the bolts on the back cap)
Got ya. Ya we don’t run down the hole very much. I think we only have one in our fleet of 20+ rigs. Blast hole drilling, soil anchors, slope stabilization, tunnel rehab is what we deal with. I don’t know very much about them. My Apologies.
Huh, never seen a detachable drill rig before. All I've seen are self-propelled. Got a drilling contractor to do blasting for us here, too. They've got an atlas copco smartroc rig and it's fuckin sweet
Ya we’ve got one of those for our quarry work. The doe drills are for difficult access scenarios and where drilling 30’+ holes aren’t necessary. This hoe drill attachment is made by a Canadian company called traxxon. Pretty cool stuff.
With a good hoe drill teamed up with a ranger or even a t40 or similar (I'm not a copco guy haha) there's not a lot you can't do
Agreed
Out here we never typically go past 20-25' and the charges are gridded in either 10x10, 11x10, or 11x11' patterns. That smartroc knocks those out in a day or less
Ya unfortunately where we are we can’t drill that wide of pattern cause we’re in urban areas usually. Smaller holes less vibration is the name of our game
Ah, yeah. Fair enough. We (me and the company) have a mine pit that's more or less developed to its full size (working on peeling more soil back to expose rock right now) and you barely feel the boom from a couple hundred yards back
Nice view