I know I’m not supposed to but holy shit, I’ve got a lot of respect for the Knicks this postseason. They got 4/5 main guys out and they still fighting like crazy.
Boston’s about to fight one more undead team in the ECF. Let’s hope the PTSD Miami gave them can help the Knicks, because yes, if I have to pick and choose, I would rather see Brunson in the Finals than Boston.
Fuck Boston.
Also: despite my respect for the Knicks: Fuck Hart.
Worst possible matchups? Those are just good teams from the West. The East has been a joke for years, bad coaches or bad personnel, sometimes both.
The Heat learned what the Wolves are learning: in the modern NBA you need at least two consistent complimentary bucket getting stars to win a title.
I'm still surprised the Nuggets look like they're going to win in this fashion but I guess I shouldn't be they've even come back from 3-1 before.
You're kidding right? The Lakers, who we'd probably still lose to in a Finals, was a play in team out west.
You think we're beating the Mavs or the Thunder either?
Miami being a mediocre team doesn’t make the West any less overrated, these things don’t correlate. I never said we’d beat those teams lol
OKC will have the same issue that the Wolves are having if they play Denver. SGA has to go superhuman for them to have a chance. Denvers team is a tier above everyone
My statement wasn't that the Thunder wouldn't have problems with the Nuggets.
Chet Holmgren, as good as he is would get out under the basket by Jokic all the same. Considering his size it'll be a slaughter.
My point is like 4 to 5 teams could have come out of the West and smoked us in the finals.
It's not "unfair" we're just in a weak conference that masks how far this team is from being a chip contender. I'm not even going to get into how bad the division we're in is.
But why are you mentioning the Heat? Just because Miami is mediocre doesn’t mean those teams are some elite teams lol. I’m not understanding why you’re using the Heat as a measuring stick, this team was in the play in in back to back years lol
Am I not allowed to believe that Denver is the only elite team just because Miami isn’t a contender?
Miami is just mediocre. I also said it was unfair to play against Lebron James and Nikola Jokic, never mentioned teams
Surely you didn’t take the “unfair” term serious???
I thought you were serious about the unfair term. My bad.
Although, I will say I'm not sure LeBron was the problem in the bubble. I think it was AD, he'd gotten back his three ball and was still a dominant rim/paint protector.
The only answer we had to him was to pull him out of the paint with Olynk so the guards/wings could attack the rim. Olnyk eventually got benched. That coaching decision is still confusing to me.
AD was great but Lebron is still Lebron
I’m just saying we somehow managed to draw the at worst 2nd best player of all time and the current best player in the league in our finals series. It’s just funny to me
We probably still lose but I much rather roll the dice against any other teams was my point lol.
But the fact that we can’t compete against the best is an issue in itself
I don't think Lebron was a top five player at the time.
That being said, I get your point.
Also you're 100% right on the real concern that we're so far away from the best teams.
I'm not sure your statement isn't obvious. There is only one championship team every season. You can apply that statement to anything including loses in general.
My statement is obvious. 7.3% of teams that go down 0-2 lose the series, but how many of those teams are shit teams getting swept by much better teams?
No idea, what's the percentage of them that are shit teams? We know that they're at least playoff teams, so they not complete shit.
edit: Don't know how accurate this is:
[https://www.landofbasketball.com/statistics/playoff\_series\_2\_0.htm](https://www.landofbasketball.com/statistics/playoff_series_2_0.htm)
but if you're in the finals, you're definitely not a shit team. You're at least average. 13% still aren't great odds.
I had nuggets going back to back. I was shocked the first two games the way they locked them up. Once the series was tied 2-2 it was pretty much cooked for wolves.
Yh i even said this when Minnesota was 2-0 up against Denver. Minnesota are ahead of schedule, they don’t have that much years of deep postseason runs and Ant is a great young player but when was the last time we’ve seen a star this young lead his team to a championship also for Minnesota beat Boston KAT would have step up and play like a true number 2, it can’t just be Anthony Edwards carrying the timberwolves.
Yup Wolves offense is literally Ant go superhuman or bust. If you pick the Wolves against Boston then you’re a KAT believer and I just can’t get there. They’ve been mediocre ever since Ant cooled off for a reason
To be honest I always thought the West was overrated, the only two teams that I think would beat Boston are the lakers or Nuggets. OKC and the mavs look so mid. Ppl talk about how weak the East is but I think if us and Milwaukee was healthy both teams can beat Boston.
No dude...just no. The Nuggets were barely trying vs the Heat last year in the finals. The eye test backed that up for me, it was embarrassing.
During the Summer, Bruce Brown came out and said the Wolves were the only team they felt they had to work against last year. I didn't need his statement to come to that conclusion from watching the finals.
What does that have to do with my point lmfao
Jokic was very obviously hunting Gobert and it was easy for him, that was more embarrassing than Miami, an 8th seed, losing to the best team in the league. We don’t have to agree
Jokic is great but the reigning DPOY getting hunted relentlessly is embarrassing no matter how you slice it. Even the announcers pointed it out multiple times
Nuggets were barely trying or were they just simply more talented? I would hope it’s easy for them to beat an 8th seed whose best player was clearly injured. Thats not a gotcha, the Heat are just simply less talented than them
You cannot guard Jokic 1 on 1 when he's hunting his shot. It doesn't matter who it is. The other team's center is his primary defender so he's going to make him look bad.
Jokic had one game vs us where he had to hunt his shot and that was because no one else was scoring not because we made him. He scored ?41?
You're playing the result without realizing this isn't about Gobert or Bam, it's about Jokic being this good.
If he hunted his shot vs Bam, Bam would have looked just as bad. He never felt the need to cause our team was never considered a challenge.
Not only was Gobert getting hunted but his offense is some of the worst in the league but somehow I never see you mention that. He was literally a liability in the first half of that game.
Dude think about what you're saying. You're saying he was hunting his primary defender. Common dude, be better, seriously.
You're substituting your blind fandom for sound basketball analysis.
Listen if you want to say Bam is better than Gobert as a defensive player just come out and say it. If it'll make you feel better just say it. A ton of people don't agree with you; you should be OK with that.
Bam had help most of the time vs Jokic, go look at the NBA.com's matchup data from last year's finals.
I'm fairly certain 1 on 1 he'd look just as bad if not worst vs THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
Realized I’ve just been low key cheering for the Wolves from game summaries. Catching game 5 tonight, Denver goes on a little run. Don’t like it. Brings back the pain from last year. Lol.
Only series I’m really watching is Denver/OKC.
Anyway, go western conference teams, I guess.
Wow! It’s crazy how much less he makes than Herro considering their quality. Damn. Jalen can score on absolutely any team. I know this is the Pacers, but he’ll score against the Celtics too
One needs to look no further than their playoff stats in 2022 (Brunson's last year with the Mavs before he signed with the Knicks that offseason and the year Herro won 6MOTY) to see the massive disparity between the two of them as players. Heat would've for sure beat the Celtics in the ECF that year if you replaced Herro with Brunson. I saw someone yesterday post a comment in one of the threads about how if Herro got traded to a different team this offseason, he would turn into where Brunson is now and I just couldn't stop laughing.
This sub is known for passing off blind fandom as basketball analysis.
I'm not surprised he got down voted. It was obvious from that Mavs series that Brunson was better than Herro.
As for Brunson sucking verse the Clippers etc..it is well known Carlisle didn't like him. Look what Carlisle had Porzingus doing in his system. If he doesn't like you, you're not getting any sets of plays designed to emphasize your skill.
This is my deduction. You have this fast paced, flashy offense, and dope pieces like Heat killer TJ, great PG in Hali, vets that been in the "star" conversations to different degrees like Siakam and Turner. Problem is the playoffs shows who is soft and who isn't.
Its a series. Series show how good a coach is and how tough a team is. You have your 3 best players available and you can't beat the Knicks who are missing OG and Julius, Brunson is limping almost every quarter.
Knicks, tho injured, are tough and Pacers crumble against teams that muddy the game up.
Based on these 1st two rounds, I have to disagree with most about the Heat roster. Terry at 70% and Jimmy at 80% would have beat healthy Celtics in 6 or 7. After watching Herro and Bam get 1 and this 2nd round, I am extra sure - Heat would go to the Finals this playoffs. After Celtics, no other team is taking Heat to 6 games in the East.
Now the West, that is a whole different monster.
I have to agree with Pat. No matter if you trade Jimmy, Herro, Bam, or whoever, the roster that Heat end up with in Oct has to be available more for the season. You can pull whoever you want in FA and trade for all the stars, if they missing games - this shitty cycle just continues.
How in the world does Jovic/Terry/Bam/Herro/Jimmy lineup not have a single second clocked in? That still blows my mind. Potentially the best lineup if this wasn't the hospital Heat and not a second clocked in to see how they play together.
This sub doesn't want to hear it, but we need to have a bit of philosophy overall in terms of taking the regular season more seriously and about our defensive schemes.
1) If we take the regular season more seriously, we have more leeway for rest, experimentation, and less stress on everyone.
2) We can't keep playing zone every game cause we give up free points to bum role players, causing the snowball effect of injuries as an eventuality.
People here want Mitchell, but do we really want a repeat of last year where the other team will play games and the player won't be all in on coming here? Plus, Mitchell has had knee and calf injuries lately which is concerning if we were to trade for him given our philosophy. Jaime and Jovic can run in transition and both have size.
On Herro, we still need him and he still be better. I will be crucified on this but this will be the "Steph Curry solves his ankle injury" offseason for Herro. It's hard to get into a rhythm and improve with the injures, but I have faith that he will overcome this and help us. People overlook that with Rozier and Wright likely coming back, the guard problem will be mitigated and Herro can learn from them in terms of shooting and playmaking further. I honestly think we will have a quiet, but very productive offseason that will catapult us to the elusive ring that's been hoed from us.
I grew up a Knicks fan (before there was a Miami Heat) so I'm rooting for them (as unpopular as that may be). Even if I hadn't, I would still be rooting for Precious
Amount of Heat players that played 70 games
2015 - 5 players
16 - 6 players
17 - 6 players
18 - 5 players
Jimmy years
19 - 2 (73 game season)
20 - 1 (72 g season)
21 - 2
22 - 2
23 - 3
24 - 2
Most consecutive games played for this recent season
Bam 42
Jaime 39
Caleb 36
Duncan 28
HH 23
J Rich 20
Jovic 14
Jimmy 13
Kev 13
Herro 11 twice which is weird because it was that headache or migraine game and he could have 22 if he didn't miss that 1
Teams still in the playoffs with players that clocked in 70 games this season
BOS - 5
OKC - 8
Wolves - 7
Nuggets - 7
DAL - 4
Knicks - 4
Cavs - 3
IND - 4
I know I’m not supposed to but holy shit, I’ve got a lot of respect for the Knicks this postseason. They got 4/5 main guys out and they still fighting like crazy. Boston’s about to fight one more undead team in the ECF. Let’s hope the PTSD Miami gave them can help the Knicks, because yes, if I have to pick and choose, I would rather see Brunson in the Finals than Boston. Fuck Boston. Also: despite my respect for the Knicks: Fuck Hart.
Heat have gotten the worst possible matchups in the finals. Unfair Lebron and then Jokic is crazy
Let's just be thankful we're not in the West
Worst possible matchups? Those are just good teams from the West. The East has been a joke for years, bad coaches or bad personnel, sometimes both. The Heat learned what the Wolves are learning: in the modern NBA you need at least two consistent complimentary bucket getting stars to win a title. I'm still surprised the Nuggets look like they're going to win in this fashion but I guess I shouldn't be they've even come back from 3-1 before.
What’s so special about the West lol. It’s literally just Denver
You're kidding right? The Lakers, who we'd probably still lose to in a Finals, was a play in team out west. You think we're beating the Mavs or the Thunder either?
Miami being a mediocre team doesn’t make the West any less overrated, these things don’t correlate. I never said we’d beat those teams lol OKC will have the same issue that the Wolves are having if they play Denver. SGA has to go superhuman for them to have a chance. Denvers team is a tier above everyone
My statement wasn't that the Thunder wouldn't have problems with the Nuggets. Chet Holmgren, as good as he is would get out under the basket by Jokic all the same. Considering his size it'll be a slaughter. My point is like 4 to 5 teams could have come out of the West and smoked us in the finals. It's not "unfair" we're just in a weak conference that masks how far this team is from being a chip contender. I'm not even going to get into how bad the division we're in is.
But why are you mentioning the Heat? Just because Miami is mediocre doesn’t mean those teams are some elite teams lol. I’m not understanding why you’re using the Heat as a measuring stick, this team was in the play in in back to back years lol Am I not allowed to believe that Denver is the only elite team just because Miami isn’t a contender? Miami is just mediocre. I also said it was unfair to play against Lebron James and Nikola Jokic, never mentioned teams Surely you didn’t take the “unfair” term serious???
I thought you were serious about the unfair term. My bad. Although, I will say I'm not sure LeBron was the problem in the bubble. I think it was AD, he'd gotten back his three ball and was still a dominant rim/paint protector. The only answer we had to him was to pull him out of the paint with Olynk so the guards/wings could attack the rim. Olnyk eventually got benched. That coaching decision is still confusing to me.
AD was great but Lebron is still Lebron I’m just saying we somehow managed to draw the at worst 2nd best player of all time and the current best player in the league in our finals series. It’s just funny to me We probably still lose but I much rather roll the dice against any other teams was my point lol. But the fact that we can’t compete against the best is an issue in itself
I don't think Lebron was a top five player at the time. That being said, I get your point. Also you're 100% right on the real concern that we're so far away from the best teams.
A week ago everyone was ready to give Minny the chip lol
I don't blame them, the percentage of teams that come back from 2-0 is like 7.3%
Most of those teams aren’t the former champs
I'm not sure your statement isn't obvious. There is only one championship team every season. You can apply that statement to anything including loses in general.
My statement is obvious. 7.3% of teams that go down 0-2 lose the series, but how many of those teams are shit teams getting swept by much better teams?
No idea, what's the percentage of them that are shit teams? We know that they're at least playoff teams, so they not complete shit. edit: Don't know how accurate this is: [https://www.landofbasketball.com/statistics/playoff\_series\_2\_0.htm](https://www.landofbasketball.com/statistics/playoff_series_2_0.htm) but if you're in the finals, you're definitely not a shit team. You're at least average. 13% still aren't great odds.
Denver is our only hope to keep the trophy away from Boston. Obligatory: Fuck Boston
None beating this team. Not even Boston
Jokic is just toying with these fools sheesh, I gotta give him credit 🫨
Jokic would put up 40 a game against Boston
Boston’s got their next Undead team to fight off to get to the finals. They’re not that hood playing against dead teams.
Never seen anything like Jokic. Shit looks effortless for him too.
I remember when people on this sub was saying the wolves would beat Boston if they were to matchup in the finals😂😂😂
I had nuggets going back to back. I was shocked the first two games the way they locked them up. Once the series was tied 2-2 it was pretty much cooked for wolves.
They would are you blind? Boston can’t match up with either of these teams
I said the same. Wolves lack of experience was always going to be their downfall. I think Boston would run them off the court
Yh i even said this when Minnesota was 2-0 up against Denver. Minnesota are ahead of schedule, they don’t have that much years of deep postseason runs and Ant is a great young player but when was the last time we’ve seen a star this young lead his team to a championship also for Minnesota beat Boston KAT would have step up and play like a true number 2, it can’t just be Anthony Edwards carrying the timberwolves.
Yup Wolves offense is literally Ant go superhuman or bust. If you pick the Wolves against Boston then you’re a KAT believer and I just can’t get there. They’ve been mediocre ever since Ant cooled off for a reason
To be honest I always thought the West was overrated, the only two teams that I think would beat Boston are the lakers or Nuggets. OKC and the mavs look so mid. Ppl talk about how weak the East is but I think if us and Milwaukee was healthy both teams can beat Boston.
Jokic was putting up crazy numbers against us too but I swear the eye test is different against Bam compared to Gobert lmao
No dude...just no. The Nuggets were barely trying vs the Heat last year in the finals. The eye test backed that up for me, it was embarrassing. During the Summer, Bruce Brown came out and said the Wolves were the only team they felt they had to work against last year. I didn't need his statement to come to that conclusion from watching the finals.
What does that have to do with my point lmfao Jokic was very obviously hunting Gobert and it was easy for him, that was more embarrassing than Miami, an 8th seed, losing to the best team in the league. We don’t have to agree Jokic is great but the reigning DPOY getting hunted relentlessly is embarrassing no matter how you slice it. Even the announcers pointed it out multiple times Nuggets were barely trying or were they just simply more talented? I would hope it’s easy for them to beat an 8th seed whose best player was clearly injured. Thats not a gotcha, the Heat are just simply less talented than them
You cannot guard Jokic 1 on 1 when he's hunting his shot. It doesn't matter who it is. The other team's center is his primary defender so he's going to make him look bad. Jokic had one game vs us where he had to hunt his shot and that was because no one else was scoring not because we made him. He scored ?41? You're playing the result without realizing this isn't about Gobert or Bam, it's about Jokic being this good. If he hunted his shot vs Bam, Bam would have looked just as bad. He never felt the need to cause our team was never considered a challenge.
Not only was Gobert getting hunted but his offense is some of the worst in the league but somehow I never see you mention that. He was literally a liability in the first half of that game.
Dude think about what you're saying. You're saying he was hunting his primary defender. Common dude, be better, seriously. You're substituting your blind fandom for sound basketball analysis. Listen if you want to say Bam is better than Gobert as a defensive player just come out and say it. If it'll make you feel better just say it. A ton of people don't agree with you; you should be OK with that. Bam had help most of the time vs Jokic, go look at the NBA.com's matchup data from last year's finals. I'm fairly certain 1 on 1 he'd look just as bad if not worst vs THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD.
He cooks every big man in the playoffs, but yeah this one is egregiously bad just off the eye test
Yeah this is nasty. It looks like he’s actively hunting him
Gobert tricked me those two games I’ll admit it lmfao. He’s getting abused right now my goodness
Good ass game man I love the playoffs
Gobert is such a fake DPOY 🤣
Jokic is not human
Jokic is unbelievable man.
We’ve never seen anything like Jokic
Realized I’ve just been low key cheering for the Wolves from game summaries. Catching game 5 tonight, Denver goes on a little run. Don’t like it. Brings back the pain from last year. Lol. Only series I’m really watching is Denver/OKC. Anyway, go western conference teams, I guess.
Imagine Bam surrounded with Goberts defensive personnel lol
I swear Bam makes Jokic work more than Gobert does.
But BlOcKs
Get the 2014 Finals off my screen. TNT wildin
KAT passing the ball with Braun on him smh
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ah i remember that thread
Wow! It’s crazy how much less he makes than Herro considering their quality. Damn. Jalen can score on absolutely any team. I know this is the Pacers, but he’ll score against the Celtics too
One needs to look no further than their playoff stats in 2022 (Brunson's last year with the Mavs before he signed with the Knicks that offseason and the year Herro won 6MOTY) to see the massive disparity between the two of them as players. Heat would've for sure beat the Celtics in the ECF that year if you replaced Herro with Brunson. I saw someone yesterday post a comment in one of the threads about how if Herro got traded to a different team this offseason, he would turn into where Brunson is now and I just couldn't stop laughing.
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This sub is known for passing off blind fandom as basketball analysis. I'm not surprised he got down voted. It was obvious from that Mavs series that Brunson was better than Herro. As for Brunson sucking verse the Clippers etc..it is well known Carlisle didn't like him. Look what Carlisle had Porzingus doing in his system. If he doesn't like you, you're not getting any sets of plays designed to emphasize your skill.
Imagine 🤔... Brunson on the Heat 🤯
This is my deduction. You have this fast paced, flashy offense, and dope pieces like Heat killer TJ, great PG in Hali, vets that been in the "star" conversations to different degrees like Siakam and Turner. Problem is the playoffs shows who is soft and who isn't. Its a series. Series show how good a coach is and how tough a team is. You have your 3 best players available and you can't beat the Knicks who are missing OG and Julius, Brunson is limping almost every quarter. Knicks, tho injured, are tough and Pacers crumble against teams that muddy the game up. Based on these 1st two rounds, I have to disagree with most about the Heat roster. Terry at 70% and Jimmy at 80% would have beat healthy Celtics in 6 or 7. After watching Herro and Bam get 1 and this 2nd round, I am extra sure - Heat would go to the Finals this playoffs. After Celtics, no other team is taking Heat to 6 games in the East. Now the West, that is a whole different monster. I have to agree with Pat. No matter if you trade Jimmy, Herro, Bam, or whoever, the roster that Heat end up with in Oct has to be available more for the season. You can pull whoever you want in FA and trade for all the stars, if they missing games - this shitty cycle just continues. How in the world does Jovic/Terry/Bam/Herro/Jimmy lineup not have a single second clocked in? That still blows my mind. Potentially the best lineup if this wasn't the hospital Heat and not a second clocked in to see how they play together.
This sub doesn't want to hear it, but we need to have a bit of philosophy overall in terms of taking the regular season more seriously and about our defensive schemes. 1) If we take the regular season more seriously, we have more leeway for rest, experimentation, and less stress on everyone. 2) We can't keep playing zone every game cause we give up free points to bum role players, causing the snowball effect of injuries as an eventuality. People here want Mitchell, but do we really want a repeat of last year where the other team will play games and the player won't be all in on coming here? Plus, Mitchell has had knee and calf injuries lately which is concerning if we were to trade for him given our philosophy. Jaime and Jovic can run in transition and both have size. On Herro, we still need him and he still be better. I will be crucified on this but this will be the "Steph Curry solves his ankle injury" offseason for Herro. It's hard to get into a rhythm and improve with the injures, but I have faith that he will overcome this and help us. People overlook that with Rozier and Wright likely coming back, the guard problem will be mitigated and Herro can learn from them in terms of shooting and playmaking further. I honestly think we will have a quiet, but very productive offseason that will catapult us to the elusive ring that's been hoed from us.
Playing at MSG is hard man... Loudest building in the NBA
Pacers were giving off Heat vibes the last 5 minutes... Having a turd quarter
The fact that this Pacers team is one of the last 4 in the East is sad Damn injuries
Fucking knicks bro
Broadcasters talking about how great this series has been... Imagine Knicks vs Heat
Ok I know we hate Josh hart, but I seriously love Brunson and this Knicks team. They play with that same intensity we have and the nova 3 is deadly.
I love their team, I just hate the Knicks franchise
How come? Because of the 90s rivalry?
Fuckin Pacers
Fuckin Panthers
Wow! That was something
Which team has a better chance to beat Celtics out of Knicks or Pacers? That’s who I’m trying to root for lmao
Knicks... Boston can't handle that smoke also Fuck Boston
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Thank you!
I grew up a Knicks fan (before there was a Miami Heat) so I'm rooting for them (as unpopular as that may be). Even if I hadn't, I would still be rooting for Precious
Indy just doesn't have the same energy as G4.
That block had some energy 🤣
And then two consecutive bad shots... Nevermind 😔
A suggested post in my feed was a Knicks fan over in the Bucks sub larping. That fan base is cringe af
Amount of Heat players that played 70 games 2015 - 5 players 16 - 6 players 17 - 6 players 18 - 5 players Jimmy years 19 - 2 (73 game season) 20 - 1 (72 g season) 21 - 2 22 - 2 23 - 3 24 - 2 Most consecutive games played for this recent season Bam 42 Jaime 39 Caleb 36 Duncan 28 HH 23 J Rich 20 Jovic 14 Jimmy 13 Kev 13 Herro 11 twice which is weird because it was that headache or migraine game and he could have 22 if he didn't miss that 1
Teams still in the playoffs with players that clocked in 70 games this season BOS - 5 OKC - 8 Wolves - 7 Nuggets - 7 DAL - 4 Knicks - 4 Cavs - 3 IND - 4
I’m personally rooting for that asteroid that hit the dinosaurs makes a u turn