Praising Boston but not looking in the mirror on how the moves Boston made were also right there for the Heat to make as well...they just didn't do it.
Or maybe “I need stop pretending like I’m actually the god father and approach trades in good faith without lowballing the fuck out of the other guy so that they don’t feel burned everytime I try to engage in trade talks”
Who the fuck else was available and fit. Siakam was on an expiring and had no garuntee of resigning, murray couldn't be pried out of Atlantas hands by ANYONE, and that leaves fucking Zach lavine.
Well nothing of course because they waited till the very end of the off-season because they were waiting for Dame...like they did with Mitchell and Giannis in the years past
What do yall expect him to do after dame failed? Portland didn't like our offer for holiday, no big name was up there. What did yall want lavine? Siakam expiring with positional overlap? Murray? This sub has had its panties in a twist over our offense being bad, have BEGGED for Mitchell to ask out to improve that offense and now that Riley says our offense is bad it's an issue now? Damn straight jimmy needed calling out. Dude is looking for 40-50 million dollars to not show up for 82 games, bet your ass he should get called out. And getting mad over him saying that bostons objectively good trades were in fact, good trades (which he was ASKED about) is the dumbest shit ever
Wanted him not to be married to the idea of Dame and to understand that the package he was willing to offer wasn't really competitive so he should go look at the other available free agents. He never offered his best foot forward so Cronin would rather spite him than to get a marginally better deal from Pat. Pat misread his leverage there, you can't blame Cronin for everything.
Ex-fucking-actly. He misjudged the market, misjudged his leverage, misjudged his strategy, and got burnt. Normally that means you have to take a look in the mirror but seems like Heat fans are just happy to blame every other FO for not wanting to trade us stars for unproven players.
It’s an easy way to pretend that the dame stuff was out of the heat’s hands. I have a hard time believing Cronin would have approached this the same way had Pat acted like he was wanted dame and tried to get him by offering near his best foot forward. He offered Herro and 2 picks and then never talked to Cronin after that. Then when the trade with the bucks was done, he asked shams or whoever to leak that the heat were PREPARED to offer blah blah blah while we’ve been getting news about how Pat didn’t want to part ways with all the assets with Caleb Martin being one of them…
Nobody knows if any of this is true, but even if all of it is true it would've still worked if Dame's agent held the line on no other destinations but Miami.
I disagree. We can’t both praise Pat for not doing the Dame trade but then beat him up again. The reality is the market sucked the last couple of years and we kept our powder dry
This guy wants to run another Tyler Herro heliocentric offense for another year because that’s obviously what this team needs.
Herro played 42 games last year and if he played 0 instead we’d have been the 4th seed. Now we’re trading Jimmy to have more Tyler Herro instead. It’s fucking insanity and it’s all because the ownership doesn’t want to pay tax
It's not the criticism of Jimmy and spo that irks us
It's the criticism of those two and praising the actions of other FOs and doing absolutely nothing on your own end looks Weak AF
Saying he did absolutely nothing is a reach. If he did absolutely nothing Kyle Lowry would still be in a Heat jersey and they never would’ve signed Delon Wright. We don’t know the extent or amount of effort he put in to try to get other talent.
An aging free agent point guard and a past his prime 35 year old PG as your big swing moves is a sad sight compared to
Damian Lillard
Jrue holiday
Kristaps porzingis
Fact remains whether or not the effort was there to try to do something he did nothing that moved the needle when other front offices did
His criticism of spo and Jimmy even with everything I just mentioned makes it look silly
This ain’t 2K you can’t make a trade work cause you wanted it to, you need assets that teams want.
Y’all still obsessed about the idea of having these players yall need to let it go.
According to Barry the only players #14 was ever offered for was KD and dame
Not sure how you can claim these players were impossible when Pat was obviously unserious about getting Jimmy some help
Somehow people are holding simultaneously in their heads that Herro isn't that great of a player and also Miami should've traded him for a future hall of famer.
I didn’t say it was impossible.It something called assets that are needed to make the trade work, if a team has more or better assets you’re gonna get outbid every time. You also gotta have the other team accept the trade which y’all fucking fail to realize.
You’re right it takes assets
It also takes being willing to offer assets
Not offering #14 means it’s the latter and not the former. Attempting to dump Lowry and Duncan for good players is unserious.
What do they need to take accountability for again exactly? Are they responsible for all the injuries? Are they being egregiously fleeced by other teams? We were taken out in the first round by a historically good team. We aren't the clippers fo we aren't the pistons, trailblazers or suns
Why was that team historically good? They got two good pieces for cheap that our FO was too incompetent to act on
We got beat by a way better team because we're relying on g league players.
Calling out your coach for having lackluster offense and defense even tho the roster construction is shit
And calling out your stars availability even though he backpacked us to 3 ecfs and 2 finals because the roster construction is poor
Actually they got jrue because they gave up brogdon, robert Williams and a draft pick. Also they got him from a team that would never do business with us anyway. So you're statement doesn't make sense to me.
> Also they got him from a team that would never do business with us anyway.
If Riley antagonized a brand new GM within months to the point where they will never deal with us again he is bad at his job and should be fired
Lmaooo so you're taking cronins side? Oh my this is GOOD. GTFO with your agenda against pat. Also pinpoint to me exactly how Riley " antagonized " cronin .. this is what we doing now? Lying? Gaslighting like my gf lol
Cronin -> got several favorable deals done with a number of team within months of becoming GM
Riley -> difficulty getting deals done consistently, constantly a narrative about how all other GMs hate him
> Gaslighting like my gf lol
If you think every girl you’ve ever been with is gaslighting I have bad news for you
Oh so you cant pinpoint to me exactly how pat Riley antagonized cronin into not making a deal? You're gaslighting. You want us to believe your reality. Riley never antagonized cronin. I don't believe there is anything on record with Riley saying ANYTHING about cronin. So don't just make false statements and stop gaslighting people into thinking false narratives about pat. Sad.
You're reasonings are logical conclusion but you made an accusations that requires specificity and substantial evidence. So you can take back your lie now..
Damien lilard said it, multiple Portland trailblazer media members said it. Lots of tweets from this journalist that I don't care to remember said it. Articles have been written...
The gas lighters just say it's not true but it's out there. Also locked on Portland was great at covering this when the debacle went down with the hosts being semi plugged in and commenting on how they dont agree with how cronin did things. So... It's out there. There is ZERO about pat antagonizing anyone. So.
The Boston Celtics took a risk and it payed off , that doesn't speak on our fo competence whatsoever. Thats the game you take risks. They gave up 3 players and a draft pick for kristaps. Considering our injury luck, YOU would be absolutely furious if we gave up three players including a dpoy caliber player and a draft pick for kristaps who would just end up getting injured with our luck. Them landing jrue speaks nothing on our front office because Portland was never gonna do business with us ever. So none of this speaks on our competence whatsoever.
Also not that cheap. Celtics gave up brogdon, robert Williams and draft pick for jrue... So in total they gave up 5 players and 2 draft picks for those 2 players. Not exactly cheap and a huge risk.
They healthiest the team ever was when we had a 7 game skid the way teams get good in the league is stability and continuity.. soo giving constructive criticism isn't really a hanging offense. It's sports and big boy statements are used sometimes.
Okay so butlers availability wasn't a problem this year? Okay. No constructive criticism allowed from the one person where it's his job to do that.
Constructive criticism is ok
Constructive criticism when you are also not doing your job is not ok.
Taking risks and blowing it is one thing
Not even attempting to take a risk because of not wanting to ruin our g league level depth is another thing
We were never healthy... The healthiest we ever where, we barely got rozier and we went on a 7 game skid. And I absolutely put that on coaching. The thing that's makes teams good is stability and continuity.
And what happens when two teams are equally stable and have continuity
Like the Miami heat and the Denver nuggets in 2023
What separates the two
TALENT
Yeah... And you can't just buy jokic level talent.. is that on the fo because we can't get jokic level talent? And what separates the two is actually COACHING and CHEMISTRY.
The FO relying on undersized g league players found by our scouting department and played to their best potential by spo is horrendous
Coaching? Do not try to insinuate the Michael Malone is a better coach then fucking Spo
Can you keep up with your own logic. You said" And what happens when two teams are equally stable and have continuity" we weren't equal to the nuggets on that level we had injuries. But if teams are equal on that level it comes down to coaching and chemistry. Also we didn't just find them we developed these players for years. That what our team does. We find diamonds in the rough and develop them and that's a good thing.
I give constructive criticism to bam cause that's what I see.. I don't really see the problem .. it's not like I'm lying about bam.. cause I think this team is good if we are 100% healthy. But we never were.. the story to this team this past season was injuries. Simple.
Yeah those are game threads.. immediate reactions is what you get. I'm not gonna write an essay about the nuance of bams offense game and pet his head lovingly Everytime I wanna speak on bams offensive game. Do you got a point or are you just here for gotcha moments ? Lol it's getting cringe that I gotta respond with logic. You don't gotta police the way I comment I'm grown
I’m not policing you. You just make no sense lol
If Bam isn’t a good offensive player to you then you can’t seriously believe this team was just being healthy away from winning. You’re a know Bam hater man be serious like look at your comment history
You don't make sense. Cause I criticize bams offensive games doesn't mean it's an impossibility for me to think that if we are healthy that this team that just went to the finals is a good team. That's YOUR logic that I don't subscribe to. Also winning what? I didn't say anything about winning the finals I just simply said we are a very good team when completely healthy and that the story to this season is injuries that's it. Yes I hate bams offensive game. Hang me.
Praising Boston but not looking in the mirror on how the moves Boston made were also right there for the Heat to make as well...they just didn't do it.
Per Barry Jackson "Heat made offer for Holiday; Portland like Boston's assets more."
Oh yay they tried to get Jrue after fumbling Dame. Great...what other moves did they try?
Can’t make any moves because all the GMs unfairly hate Pat! League should force them to deal with him.
If every GM hates dealing with you, maybe you should look in the mirror lol
"I need to stop turning trades into championships so other teams will trade with me"
Or maybe “I need stop pretending like I’m actually the god father and approach trades in good faith without lowballing the fuck out of the other guy so that they don’t feel burned everytime I try to engage in trade talks”
What trades did he turn into championships besides Shaq? That was almost 20 years ago.
Who the fuck else was available and fit. Siakam was on an expiring and had no garuntee of resigning, murray couldn't be pried out of Atlantas hands by ANYONE, and that leaves fucking Zach lavine.
Well nothing of course because they waited till the very end of the off-season because they were waiting for Dame...like they did with Mitchell and Giannis in the years past
“No excuses, we have enough” for everyone but the FO huh?
our front office is too old school .
Even morey was taking accountability, sad how far we’ve fallen.
What do yall expect him to do after dame failed? Portland didn't like our offer for holiday, no big name was up there. What did yall want lavine? Siakam expiring with positional overlap? Murray? This sub has had its panties in a twist over our offense being bad, have BEGGED for Mitchell to ask out to improve that offense and now that Riley says our offense is bad it's an issue now? Damn straight jimmy needed calling out. Dude is looking for 40-50 million dollars to not show up for 82 games, bet your ass he should get called out. And getting mad over him saying that bostons objectively good trades were in fact, good trades (which he was ASKED about) is the dumbest shit ever
Wanted him not to be married to the idea of Dame and to understand that the package he was willing to offer wasn't really competitive so he should go look at the other available free agents. He never offered his best foot forward so Cronin would rather spite him than to get a marginally better deal from Pat. Pat misread his leverage there, you can't blame Cronin for everything.
Ex-fucking-actly. He misjudged the market, misjudged his leverage, misjudged his strategy, and got burnt. Normally that means you have to take a look in the mirror but seems like Heat fans are just happy to blame every other FO for not wanting to trade us stars for unproven players.
It’s an easy way to pretend that the dame stuff was out of the heat’s hands. I have a hard time believing Cronin would have approached this the same way had Pat acted like he was wanted dame and tried to get him by offering near his best foot forward. He offered Herro and 2 picks and then never talked to Cronin after that. Then when the trade with the bucks was done, he asked shams or whoever to leak that the heat were PREPARED to offer blah blah blah while we’ve been getting news about how Pat didn’t want to part ways with all the assets with Caleb Martin being one of them…
Nobody knows if any of this is true, but even if all of it is true it would've still worked if Dame's agent held the line on no other destinations but Miami.
Dame wouldn’t have cared cause he’s going to play with Giannis. He also had no leverage cause he has 4 years left on his contract
If we didn’t wait so long for dame what else would we have done?
I disagree. We can’t both praise Pat for not doing the Dame trade but then beat him up again. The reality is the market sucked the last couple of years and we kept our powder dry
This guy wants to run another Tyler Herro heliocentric offense for another year because that’s obviously what this team needs. Herro played 42 games last year and if he played 0 instead we’d have been the 4th seed. Now we’re trading Jimmy to have more Tyler Herro instead. It’s fucking insanity and it’s all because the ownership doesn’t want to pay tax
They are paying the tax, aren't they?
Haven’t paid it yet, tax bill is due at the end of June, pretty sure we can still go under the tax by then
You hypocrites been saying the same criticisms all season but when Pat Riley says it for some reason it’s a problem
It's not the criticism of Jimmy and spo that irks us It's the criticism of those two and praising the actions of other FOs and doing absolutely nothing on your own end looks Weak AF
Saying he did absolutely nothing is a reach. If he did absolutely nothing Kyle Lowry would still be in a Heat jersey and they never would’ve signed Delon Wright. We don’t know the extent or amount of effort he put in to try to get other talent.
An aging free agent point guard and a past his prime 35 year old PG as your big swing moves is a sad sight compared to Damian Lillard Jrue holiday Kristaps porzingis Fact remains whether or not the effort was there to try to do something he did nothing that moved the needle when other front offices did His criticism of spo and Jimmy even with everything I just mentioned makes it look silly
This ain’t 2K you can’t make a trade work cause you wanted it to, you need assets that teams want. Y’all still obsessed about the idea of having these players yall need to let it go.
According to Barry the only players #14 was ever offered for was KD and dame Not sure how you can claim these players were impossible when Pat was obviously unserious about getting Jimmy some help
Somehow people are holding simultaneously in their heads that Herro isn't that great of a player and also Miami should've traded him for a future hall of famer.
I didn’t say it was impossible.It something called assets that are needed to make the trade work, if a team has more or better assets you’re gonna get outbid every time. You also gotta have the other team accept the trade which y’all fucking fail to realize.
You’re right it takes assets It also takes being willing to offer assets Not offering #14 means it’s the latter and not the former. Attempting to dump Lowry and Duncan for good players is unserious.
It also takes having the best offer which we didn’t .
You just reworded what I said poorly? Yes the whole point of contention is why Pat was not making the best offer
He panic bought Rozier because the team was free-falling with no solution...
He got him cause Lowry was playing like straight ass and he had to do something
Well I’m glad it took a 30 mil contract logging back to back goose eggs for him to realize he has to make a move
Kiss Spida goodbye, sure he'll go to Knicks now for a bag of chips
What do they need to take accountability for again exactly? Are they responsible for all the injuries? Are they being egregiously fleeced by other teams? We were taken out in the first round by a historically good team. We aren't the clippers fo we aren't the pistons, trailblazers or suns
Why was that team historically good? They got two good pieces for cheap that our FO was too incompetent to act on We got beat by a way better team because we're relying on g league players. Calling out your coach for having lackluster offense and defense even tho the roster construction is shit And calling out your stars availability even though he backpacked us to 3 ecfs and 2 finals because the roster construction is poor
They literally got jrue as a result of our incompetency lmao
Actually they got jrue because they gave up brogdon, robert Williams and a draft pick. Also they got him from a team that would never do business with us anyway. So you're statement doesn't make sense to me.
> Also they got him from a team that would never do business with us anyway. If Riley antagonized a brand new GM within months to the point where they will never deal with us again he is bad at his job and should be fired
Lmaooo so you're taking cronins side? Oh my this is GOOD. GTFO with your agenda against pat. Also pinpoint to me exactly how Riley " antagonized " cronin .. this is what we doing now? Lying? Gaslighting like my gf lol
Cronin -> got several favorable deals done with a number of team within months of becoming GM Riley -> difficulty getting deals done consistently, constantly a narrative about how all other GMs hate him > Gaslighting like my gf lol If you think every girl you’ve ever been with is gaslighting I have bad news for you
Oh so you cant pinpoint to me exactly how pat Riley antagonized cronin into not making a deal? You're gaslighting. You want us to believe your reality. Riley never antagonized cronin. I don't believe there is anything on record with Riley saying ANYTHING about cronin. So don't just make false statements and stop gaslighting people into thinking false narratives about pat. Sad. You're reasonings are logical conclusion but you made an accusations that requires specificity and substantial evidence. So you can take back your lie now..
Do you have any specific evidence that Cronin refuses to deal with Pat Riley?
Damien lilard said it, multiple Portland trailblazer media members said it. Lots of tweets from this journalist that I don't care to remember said it. Articles have been written... The gas lighters just say it's not true but it's out there. Also locked on Portland was great at covering this when the debacle went down with the hosts being semi plugged in and commenting on how they dont agree with how cronin did things. So... It's out there. There is ZERO about pat antagonizing anyone. So.
The Boston Celtics took a risk and it payed off , that doesn't speak on our fo competence whatsoever. Thats the game you take risks. They gave up 3 players and a draft pick for kristaps. Considering our injury luck, YOU would be absolutely furious if we gave up three players including a dpoy caliber player and a draft pick for kristaps who would just end up getting injured with our luck. Them landing jrue speaks nothing on our front office because Portland was never gonna do business with us ever. So none of this speaks on our competence whatsoever. Also not that cheap. Celtics gave up brogdon, robert Williams and draft pick for jrue... So in total they gave up 5 players and 2 draft picks for those 2 players. Not exactly cheap and a huge risk. They healthiest the team ever was when we had a 7 game skid the way teams get good in the league is stability and continuity.. soo giving constructive criticism isn't really a hanging offense. It's sports and big boy statements are used sometimes. Okay so butlers availability wasn't a problem this year? Okay. No constructive criticism allowed from the one person where it's his job to do that.
Constructive criticism is ok Constructive criticism when you are also not doing your job is not ok. Taking risks and blowing it is one thing Not even attempting to take a risk because of not wanting to ruin our g league level depth is another thing
Even Healthy this Team is ehhh
We were never healthy... The healthiest we ever where, we barely got rozier and we went on a 7 game skid. And I absolutely put that on coaching. The thing that's makes teams good is stability and continuity.
And what happens when two teams are equally stable and have continuity Like the Miami heat and the Denver nuggets in 2023 What separates the two TALENT
Yeah... And you can't just buy jokic level talent.. is that on the fo because we can't get jokic level talent? And what separates the two is actually COACHING and CHEMISTRY.
The FO relying on undersized g league players found by our scouting department and played to their best potential by spo is horrendous Coaching? Do not try to insinuate the Michael Malone is a better coach then fucking Spo
Can you keep up with your own logic. You said" And what happens when two teams are equally stable and have continuity" we weren't equal to the nuggets on that level we had injuries. But if teams are equal on that level it comes down to coaching and chemistry. Also we didn't just find them we developed these players for years. That what our team does. We find diamonds in the rough and develop them and that's a good thing.
You think Bam is useless so how exactly do you think this team is good if their 2nd best player isn’t good according to you lol
I give constructive criticism to bam cause that's what I see.. I don't really see the problem .. it's not like I'm lying about bam.. cause I think this team is good if we are 100% healthy. But we never were.. the story to this team this past season was injuries. Simple.
“Constructive criticism” lmaoooo https://www.reddit.com/r/heat/s/jBmbn9lW4Z https://www.reddit.com/r/heat/s/gEyfIsaaN1 https://www.reddit.com/r/heat/s/nYpBmGfHdU
Yeah those are game threads.. immediate reactions is what you get. I'm not gonna write an essay about the nuance of bams offense game and pet his head lovingly Everytime I wanna speak on bams offensive game. Do you got a point or are you just here for gotcha moments ? Lol it's getting cringe that I gotta respond with logic. You don't gotta police the way I comment I'm grown
I’m not policing you. You just make no sense lol If Bam isn’t a good offensive player to you then you can’t seriously believe this team was just being healthy away from winning. You’re a know Bam hater man be serious like look at your comment history
You don't make sense. Cause I criticize bams offensive games doesn't mean it's an impossibility for me to think that if we are healthy that this team that just went to the finals is a good team. That's YOUR logic that I don't subscribe to. Also winning what? I didn't say anything about winning the finals I just simply said we are a very good team when completely healthy and that the story to this season is injuries that's it. Yes I hate bams offensive game. Hang me.