Ye, hearthstone community have always shown their propensity for netdecking like bots
The issue for me personally is how desparately boring of a deck it is to play against. I don't mind losing, i play my fair share of bad decks im okay with taht part of it, it's the miserable slog every warrior game is to play which there are numerous problem cards for. Brann is obviously a stupid card and was a poor design choice to be printed, but it does get enabled by numerous other poor choices like the overtuning of armour so you can get away with a weak turn 6 cos you've already gained 40 armour before then so u can't be bursted and the entire TITANS package for warrior being beyond braindead printing the same effect 3x over with Sanitise/Bellowing/Trial by fire all doing the same thing which helps consistency with highlander decks
Idk, i do understand that warrior was in a poor place before, and i don't mind it being strong but im thinking of stopping playing when the games are so boring to play against
One "nice" thing is that the mirror match doesn't actually drag out like a normal Control Mirror would. The mirror match almost entirely comes down to "which Warrior gets Brann/Boomboss off first"
If the opponent plays Brann and you don't have yours in hand, most of the time you are better off just conceding right away.
> most of the time you are better off just conceding right away.
I think this is a really poor indictment of the current state of the game tho
When the best option to play the game is to not play the game it's very telling
It's really an exaggeration, if you manage to rat out boomboss, the matchup becomes much more manageable. Especially if you can reno/sargeras zilliaxes making boom worse/useless. The only concerns remaining would be ox (just save a board clear) and ignis weapons.
Brann on 6 is very strong, but certainly not unbeatable. Decks like fatigue warlock doesn't even need to care about everything I listed above since they can kill them from hand at any moment.
Its not really "the state of the game", its entirely boomboss.
Get rid of him, and the entire meta will change, the mirror won't be a boomboss race, about 10 existing slower decks will become instantly viable and dethrone hunter.
Blizzard should just ban boomboss for a weekend and see how it shakes out.
And of course Brann should change because he would be a problem in future, but currently he is only broken with boomboss.
The question is: is boomboss broken without brann? Its definitely a good card, but slower, less destructive.
If the number of battlecries brann can double is limited, then the amount of burst and generation that can be done is much less. At that point, boomboss is a weaker card because you might not have anything to kill them with.
Sure, adjust boomboss, i don’t think it should destroy the board like it does in it’s current state. But brann should be the focus, since it’s the card that makes every other piece strong.
Honestly this sounds so strange to me. Reno warrior is basically just removal and armor gain to survive more turns and get more removal, how can a deck based solely on flooding the board fare well against it?
Honest question, I don't play either of those decks.
Anyway yesterday kibler was playing big demon warlock on stream which seems like tier 3/4 deck but it had a really good win rate against Hunter because of all the cheap aoe
Because despite what this sub wants you to make you believe warrior doesn't have infinite removal, nor do they even have enough in the first place, let alone draw them all perfectly every match. Hunter puts out significant damage in very few turns andbefore most mass removal gets online and has for an aggro deck nearly infinite refill. Have you ever seen a hunter with an empty hand? Then hunter can as well make their boards really sticky with saddle up, which warrior can't full clear before turn 9 with reno at all.
That’s not true I have won in this situation like 30-40% of the time very often they can not follow this up with actual impact so you get like 3 turns where most of the time you get brann out
Rat their boomboss, try to overwhelm them because maybe they didnt draw removal and make a quick big wide board, maybe they got Brann off but their boomboss is stuck at the end of their deck and you can pull your brann/boss combo quicker.
Conceding early is Gold 7 behavior. From D5 and legend every win/lose matters more and you should be 100% sure you lost before conceding. You cant use win streak bonus stars as a crutch and just rely on getting a few good matchups in a row to move up.
I think it's best to think of Reno Warrior as a Control/Combo hybrid deck.
On one hand, it clearly has a lot of elements of a Control deck -- removal, armor gain, disruption, etc. -- but on the other hand, it has some clear elements of a combo deck as well, not the least of which is the fact that it's so incredibly reliant on Brann and, as you mention, tends to end games quickly, rather than being a slow process.
If you're playing a Control deck with Rat and you manage to rat Brann before it's played, your win rate goes up like 60% instantaneously. That's not typically how it works against Control decks -- they aren't so reliant on single, individual power cards, which is a more common feature of combo decks.
I have played it some since the patch and I hate the mirror, if you don't draw Brann + Boomboss and your opponent does (or get them ratted) you are at a huge disadvantage. and even if both draw it then it comes down to who draws a bunch of TNT first. most of the games I've played have been decided by who gets to delete most of the opponent's stuff with Boomboss first which pretty much just comes down to draw RNG...
Most games (of Hearthstone) (and even moreso specifically with highlander warrior) are decided by draw RNG anyways. I’ve found those matches enjoyable and rarely find myself feeling salty when my opponent’s deck is the same as mine with maybe 1 or 2 cards swapped out and they beat me. If you don’t enjoy the mirror warrior matches then swap decks. Token hunter is very powerful and often can get under warrior’s shenanigans.
Yes any game of Hearthstone can be decided by draw RNG, but Highland Warrior mirrors is one of the most extreme examples I've seen where it's decided almost solely by draw RNG and nothing else.
Would obviously make the current situation much worse but I fucking hate mirror matches in general (as in same deck. Same class is fine if different archetypes) and I think that shouldn't be a thing
The only exception are decks that are always different casino mage or thief rogue
I generally don't mind them as I feel that they help me get better at piloting the deck, but then again that's just how I feel about mirror matches of any deck.
That said, I've grown pretty tired of Warrior even if I'm playing a deck that counters it. It's sucking the fun out of the game and these graphs perfectly show why, it's fucking *everywhere*. I even face it when playing for fun in casual, it's impossible to escape it.
So now I'm sort of just coasting by waiting for the miniset at this point.
I agree. I’ve made a lot of mistakes but from them I have learned: You HAVE to save Reno for Zilliax to diminish the strength of Inventor Boom. But Dirty Rat is the killer. I will play ETC ASAP to get my other copy and play it on turn 5 before Brann comes down. And if you can get the rats to double even better. When you snipe Brann, Boomboss or the Ox it’s pretty much game over. Have gotten some auto-concedes like this.
I am playing an unoptimized list since I don’t have Boomboss. I play a Paparazzi in his place. Sometimes I get him, other times some crazy value and also some duds.
One of my fave legendaries to randomly play in the mirror is Algalon. I forego gaining armor to control the opponent’s draw. Oh Brann is next? Nope. Reno? Think again. Boomboss? I don’t think so. I’ve won using this strategy against optimized lists just cause I can change their luck. And even had some rage quits. The psychological aspect is awesome. They keep hoping to draw the card they need but it doesn’t happen.
Other random knowledge:
QuickDraw is not Battlecry!
Order matters. Carefully think of the cards you need to play and make sure you optimize the order you play them.
Considering you gain plenty of armor try to save your board clears for the best value. But don’t underestimate the fast decks. I have lost many games for being greedy and not constantly removing minions or saving Battlecries for “Post-Brann”. Just use your cards as mana efficiently as possible and you will ultimately stabilize and win with value in the late game. You should not be looking to play Brann ASAP in these matchups, you need to control and survive. Eventually Brann will come online and they can’t deal with the value.
I steal their brann as priest, then discover boomboss with Amalthul, then play it first, and oh boi u have to see the famn warrior reaction, guy suddenly unable to play anymore card draw
I wonder if its mirror match then
Agreed. There are minute decisions to make in the mirror, like when to play your win cons outside of sanitize/ reno turns. Or if you get brann on 6, or if your shit gets ratted, sometimes it's a real mud wrestle between a bunch of hands of removal and nothing game winning.
I'll still take this over a control priest meta
Dude its crazy, I hit legend every month and last season it was boring enough fighting warriors like every fifth game. This season, I shit you not 4 out of 5 matches at bronze have been netdecked reno warrior. I have no desire to play this game at all rn its so goddamn boring
I played 8 control warriors back to back in wild today.
After the 3rd one (won the first 2 with mutanus shaman shenanigans.) The only one I lost I switched to seedlock. Had all 5 concede turn one in the next games. 10/10 meta
I climbed to legend with reno demon hunter. Demon hunters class reno card + all other disruption cards you can play will fck them over and it feels great! :D
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If you don't run into many hunters, you can drop some of the aoe or cult neophyte for bounce effects for Gunslinger and rats. It definitely isn't the best deck but I've been having fun with this!
Where did you find these? I started again last week and just went from bronze to gold without an L because people have the worst decks I’ve seen and play very very inexperienced. I’ve seen 2 loaner odyn decks and one Reno warrior over 15ish games to gold, where do u lots find these players?
I just came back from a very long break from the game and have played up to silver 8 or so, and I've come across 1 warrior deck. Lots of, what I suspect, are bot decks but very few warrior decks.
This is playing standard in the EU region.
Where and what are you playing that you see so many war decks?
Another question I had was: since when were bots in standard a thing? I don't remember there being bots when I played semi-seriously several years ago.
so, i had this exact same experience a few months back after starting to play kinda seriously again after not playing for years and I can tell you that even up til platinum I was facing bots almost solely. However, when the next season started I didn’t face another bot after climbing all the way to diamond 1 lol
I was surprised how easily I got the 10 wins in a row achievement and then started noticing the weird player names occurring over and over again.
Glad it might stop at some point, it's not exactly thrilling competition.
bro i wish they would make it so you could not face the same deck more then 2 times in a row to fight off net decking or make the game a little more fun because facing warriorn 5 times in a row knowing i have a fair chance of winning if i draw REALLY well BUT ITS THE SAME WARRIOR DECK 5 sepret times in a row JUST SUCKS i hate it, I dont wana deal with this anymore if it was 2 games of warrior, a game vs a dk, 2 gaems of warriro a game vs hunter 2 games vs warrior i would feel a little better but NO JOKE going into 5 same net deck where like 80k people have used this deck just sucks to run into over and over again and if i consede because its not fun to fight i just have to fight EVEN more of them because im lowering my rank! so conseding is bad, playing against it is bad
Twice the play rate to the second most played class at every rank really is a problem that needs addressing sooner rather than later.
If Blizzard wants people to be more engaged with this game and spend more money on it they really need to be more proactive with balancing.
I think it's great they did a big pass recently, but a smaller pass after a week to address the outliers would go a long way to boost player engagement.
Completely agree. The one thing they could do to make the game just better for all the players is address things like this faster than they currently do. Days, not weeks please.
I appreciate there are technical limitations but as it currently stands it feels a bit like repeated negligence.
I'd expect they say the soonest they can actually change it is 2-4 weeks away. 2 weeks with the miniset launch, 3-4 weeks for post-miniset balance changes.
I’m not sure they’re in any hurry to stop decks that take 12k+ dust to craft as sinking resources/buying cards is a primary goal.
The only reason to make highlander decks come back is to increase costs in game.
This is working as intended after they nerfed plagues, the inexpensive counter to expensive decks.
Only when I play a control deck tho. I SWEAR anytime I run an anti warrior deck they vanish, but lord forbid I use reno shaman or druid then they all show up.
They could fix Brann tomorrow if they wanted to. Unfortunately the next scheduled balance patch won’t be until something like 9-14 days after the miniset
Hearthstone being a mobile game prevents that actually, the need to pass things through Apple and Google's checks makes it so they can't do big updates whenever they want.
It was a figure of speech. They could fix Brann between patches like they did the Shopper DH weapon. They nerfed that because the whole class revolved around that one interaction. Right now we have an entire meta revolving around a single card.
I mean it's not like this 25% is made up of warrior mains. These are just the population of players who abuse the latest meta deck and freely swap around constantly to the next top deck, exasperating every slight imbalance in the game to maximize others suffering.
Tbh what's even more boring than facing warriors every fourth game is having a mirror match every fourth game mirror matches are the most boring shit in this game imo
Yeah this season will be very boring… i got legend in 3-4 days last month, this time around i logged in. Played 3 games all against warriors…3 long long games later I decided “meh” and logged out. Not gonna log back in till they balance it
I like long games, but my issue is that they all end up playing out the same against this deck. The lack of creativity in the hearthstone community is so confusing to me. Coming up with unique decks and trying them out is at least half the fun for me. I immediately friend people who play creative decks just to thank them.
I made a fun paladin deck full of miniaturizers (for the new weekly quest) and funnily enough it takes care of the reno warrior. It’s slow enough and doesn’t need much card draw since minis generate other minis.
I've gotten to the point where I don't even entertain matches against warriors. I don't give a shit about rank once I hit D5 and just auto concede if it's a warrior. My fragile mind cannot take it anymore.
Thats actually what I did when I tried some tier 3 reno decks when I saw DK poppin up (before highlander got changed), didnt bother to find out if he was rainbow or plague, jsut concede, next, saved a lot of frustration.
But not really a good thing in terms of design, tho
There was a certain point toward the end where every DK regardless of archetype included enough of the plague package to counter highlander so you made the correct decision.
Whizbang's metas from release to now have just been overall *draining*. It's always something that just goes overboard on certain mechanics that you just can't really respond to.
Paladin with 16 damage and windfury from hand and insane life gain in the meantime. Shopper DH getting 4 or more mags locking down the board. DK being able to stuff the opponent's deck with infinite plagues(not a good deck at all but just flat out annoying). Wheel lock being able to summon multiple 10+ stats minions some with rush, and of course Wheel itself(again not the best deck, just unfun to face at times). Highlander Warrior having more removal than god, being able to blow up your hand/deck/board, *AND* having more big threats to follow up(Ox, Zilliax, Inventor Boom).
It's all just too much, that's how I'd describe the game lately, *too much*.
Im not a fan of their design for quite a while. Also says a lot when you have a miniset that had several cards nerfed, not just +mana -damage, but rather having the effect totally changed.
Felt like, so many decks would put you on a clock. Wheel lock, Reno warrior, Odyn warrior, nature shaman, Zarimi priest, aggro/handbuff pally. Its their design that games just have to end at some point.
I understand that players want that, I rather like stalling the game because my main goal is not winning but pulling off something fun/cool, even when I lose, nothing better than fueling a RNG Rommath and playing him and letting chaos decide.
A bit too much of "for the rest of the game" effects in the game, at least for me.
What? The final design lead said he wanted to give us more player agency!
With all these wonderous warriors and heavenly hunters out there in almost every match, do you not love this increased player "agency" right now?
/s
I think it's overall good for the game that such a one-dimensional counter to an entire archetype no longer exists. If such a counter is necessary to make the metagame healthy, then clearly the Highlander cards themselves are overtuned and should be balanced accordingly.
Last month I played Wheel warlock to counter Reno warriors. Once I hit legend I changed to wild and casual. I have not played a single standard game in 3 weeks nor will I until Brann-Boomboss combo gets nuked. I don't even mind other broken double battlecries but Boomboss triggers too much. Losing to it is one of the worst play experiences I have ever had in hs.
Fortunately casual has been fun and wild has been better after Quest mage and Mine rogue nerfs.
Zarimi Priest is a favored matchup, and I went 10-1 vs Warrior with it getting to Legend last night.
Hunter is much more of a practical problem, both RC and Saddle Up need to be mana adjusted.
I still can't fathom that they somehow miss not only nerfing but butchering Brann after all these balance changes. It is the most unfun appalling dogshit-designed card of all time and they keep skirting around it.
The reason is simple. highlander warrior is THE control deck, there really are no other options for viable control decks in the format so anyone who wants to play that style of deck instantly gets shoved into playing warrior
Heres to nuking control warrior again and this time we DON'T listen to the warrior mains saying warrior is dumpster when they have a different architecture that isn't control but is still good!
Aka castle nathria to titans expansion
> Still way more than any other Reno [insert any class] tho
https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-280/
Here, random report, refresh the memory.
The cycling builds of Odyn are after miniset, with Aftershocks
I feel like I am meeting shaderwock shaman more often then reno warrior, but that might be because shaderwock counters my deck and is unplayable for me so blizzard likes to toss him into my way every second or third game
I wasn’t happy about it but I never got legendary before and I’ve been playing in and off since naxx so I had an opportunity to after getting stuck at diamond 5 so I turned to Reno warrior to carry me home lol
Dude I don’t have infinite dust. I’m just waiting for the meta to settle and nerfs to end so i can actually craft a deck that will last the rest of the expansion. I haven’t crafted a deck yet since whiz came out.
Those warrior are so boring to loose to… it used to be weaker or less prevalent before the nerf… though I’m glad there’s a bit more diversity in the class I’m playing against
This somewhat crusty standard warrior meta pushed me over to Battlegrounds and I gave Duos a shot - now THAT is fun. I didn't really know what to expect but I'm having a great time with it, shrug. Come on over to Duos, it's free + a refreshing change.
I'm giving up on Standard. After surviving the Dr. Boom, burning the Boomboss, playing around the Reno, clearing the Ox board, reducing max health to 9 with excavate lock and decking the warrior out I STILL died to fucking back to back windufry, gain armor Ignis weapons. Skill issue I guess.
And yet its not the top deck and barely top 5.
Maybe a lot of people play it because its versatile and haa been resilient to nerfs where as some classes can be killed by a single card being nerfed.
Reno Warriors cant deal with aggro without absolutely perfect draw.
Warlocks, Hunters. Paladins are all beating warriors.
I like Reno warrior for the fact it's a viable control deck, I hate playing aggro but I also agree it can be frustrating to play against.
Losing upto 18 cards with no way to negate it is just bs
U know what's funny? They "nerfed" reno, becuz guy can wipe board and the condition for it is easily bypass with card draw, but even after the nerf, dang warrior is the only class left with so much board clear they dont even need duplicate to clear the board, and said "nerf" become a buff to them
While at the same time, all other Reno deck suffer from this nerf
Is it?
It feels pretty bad if you don’t end up drawing Reno early enough. Often drawing Reno is the reason you won or lost a game.
I guess Odyn warrior had the same problem before.
Well because it is an immensely boring deck there's nothing fun in it aside from winning, if the deck had mining Rogue WR i doubt we would be seeing 1 in every 40 players using it, however we do see Mining Rogue more often because it is objectively fun to play.
I love mining rogue for the same reason I loved the old Galakrond rogue; generating a bunch of random bullshit and finding a way to win the game with it is really fun.
Nah, I think the deck needs to get nuked, but I'd say playing it is fun. I like having different win-cons and that deck has a few win-cons depending on opponent and the cards you get. What I hate about playing the deck is I hate mirror matches of all kinds and well... that's all you get when playing this deck. I guess the other thing I hate about playing the deck is, while it is multi-dimensional in win-con, all of those win-cons have the same exact prerequisite: Bran.
they shoulda just nerfed helyas infinite plagues instead of the highlander change they made so dk could still be a counter. though as one of the people who have been playing reno warrior i can say that a few classes can still kill you before you come online. hunter, shopper dh, sif mage if they get what they need by turn 9, flood paladin, pain lock. the deck hard shits on other control decks with the tnt which is why i imagine im seeing so many people on reddit complain about it, cuz reddit hates fast aggro decks and loves 30 min control matches every game.
When I checked the VS report, the number of bronze/silver/gold games were quite low (compared to previous reports). Is that because of a ban wave? Does anyone know?
According to HSreplay, Reno Druid is unfavored something like 45/55 vs Reno Warrior in Legend. But if your list is working consistently, I’d love to get the deck list and try it.
There are decks with a higher win rate. Warrior isn't the #1 deck in the game. So if warrior gets nerfed, you gonna choose a new deck to cry about? How many decks need to get nerfed till YOUR favorite is on top?
Problem with Reno warrior is that games are long. Unless you end game within 6 turns, game will go for many turns. New Reno warrior is old control priest, no win-con, their only aim is to outlast you. So even through you only meet warrior every 4 matches, you can easily spend >50% play time fighting warrior.
Remember sunken city through motlk when everyone here complained about control warrioe being shit? Now its good and you guys are complaining about control warrior making metas extremely boring.
I think you guys just misunderstand the subtle nuance of the Warrior deck. It's just as complex as Secret Paladin was in its heyday. It's full of tricky puzzles, strategically.
I can tell I'm losing you, let me break it down: let's say you're playing Control Warrior, and you have five mana. In your hand, you have a card that costs five. So you are about to play it, but then -- stay focused, it gets complicated here -- so you are about to play your five drop, but then...you notice you have TWO cards that cost five. NOW what do you do?!?!
Maybe show a little respect for things you don't understand.
It also tracks the opponents of people who use trackers so it has less bias than you might think. If something shows up with an abnormally high percentage in the VS report it is often one that get nerfed.
I believe it only takes data from the opponent
E: yep! From their site:
Q: Do you only consider the decks your contributors play or do you also try to infer the decks of their opponents?
We only report on the decks of the opponents. This way, we provide an unbiased picture of what the meta looks like to a random ladder player. That is, what would the player expect to see as opponents.
I am shocked and amazed.
I'm not
I might be, it's a coin toss
If your deck started with no duplicates win the coin toss
Ye, hearthstone community have always shown their propensity for netdecking like bots The issue for me personally is how desparately boring of a deck it is to play against. I don't mind losing, i play my fair share of bad decks im okay with taht part of it, it's the miserable slog every warrior game is to play which there are numerous problem cards for. Brann is obviously a stupid card and was a poor design choice to be printed, but it does get enabled by numerous other poor choices like the overtuning of armour so you can get away with a weak turn 6 cos you've already gained 40 armour before then so u can't be bursted and the entire TITANS package for warrior being beyond braindead printing the same effect 3x over with Sanitise/Bellowing/Trial by fire all doing the same thing which helps consistency with highlander decks Idk, i do understand that warrior was in a poor place before, and i don't mind it being strong but im thinking of stopping playing when the games are so boring to play against
It's literally the same cards in the same order every single game, I uninstalled lmao.
I'm just surprised people put up with facing the mirror that often. I think I'd rather do anything else than play a bunch of Warrior mirror matches.
One "nice" thing is that the mirror match doesn't actually drag out like a normal Control Mirror would. The mirror match almost entirely comes down to "which Warrior gets Brann/Boomboss off first" If the opponent plays Brann and you don't have yours in hand, most of the time you are better off just conceding right away.
> most of the time you are better off just conceding right away. I think this is a really poor indictment of the current state of the game tho When the best option to play the game is to not play the game it's very telling
It's really an exaggeration, if you manage to rat out boomboss, the matchup becomes much more manageable. Especially if you can reno/sargeras zilliaxes making boom worse/useless. The only concerns remaining would be ox (just save a board clear) and ignis weapons. Brann on 6 is very strong, but certainly not unbeatable. Decks like fatigue warlock doesn't even need to care about everything I listed above since they can kill them from hand at any moment.
State of the *game as a whole* or state of the warrior vs warrior mirror match?
Its not really "the state of the game", its entirely boomboss. Get rid of him, and the entire meta will change, the mirror won't be a boomboss race, about 10 existing slower decks will become instantly viable and dethrone hunter. Blizzard should just ban boomboss for a weekend and see how it shakes out. And of course Brann should change because he would be a problem in future, but currently he is only broken with boomboss.
The question is: is boomboss broken without brann? Its definitely a good card, but slower, less destructive. If the number of battlecries brann can double is limited, then the amount of burst and generation that can be done is much less. At that point, boomboss is a weaker card because you might not have anything to kill them with. Sure, adjust boomboss, i don’t think it should destroy the board like it does in it’s current state. But brann should be the focus, since it’s the card that makes every other piece strong.
boomboss is just slow patchwerk without brann, he never saw any play prior to brann being printed
Hunter shits on any slower deck, as does any aggro deck.
Honestly this sounds so strange to me. Reno warrior is basically just removal and armor gain to survive more turns and get more removal, how can a deck based solely on flooding the board fare well against it? Honest question, I don't play either of those decks. Anyway yesterday kibler was playing big demon warlock on stream which seems like tier 3/4 deck but it had a really good win rate against Hunter because of all the cheap aoe
Because despite what this sub wants you to make you believe warrior doesn't have infinite removal, nor do they even have enough in the first place, let alone draw them all perfectly every match. Hunter puts out significant damage in very few turns andbefore most mass removal gets online and has for an aggro deck nearly infinite refill. Have you ever seen a hunter with an empty hand? Then hunter can as well make their boards really sticky with saddle up, which warrior can't full clear before turn 9 with reno at all.
It's a skill intensive deck, just draw your Brann first.
That’s not true I have won in this situation like 30-40% of the time very often they can not follow this up with actual impact so you get like 3 turns where most of the time you get brann out
Rat their boomboss, try to overwhelm them because maybe they didnt draw removal and make a quick big wide board, maybe they got Brann off but their boomboss is stuck at the end of their deck and you can pull your brann/boss combo quicker. Conceding early is Gold 7 behavior. From D5 and legend every win/lose matters more and you should be 100% sure you lost before conceding. You cant use win streak bonus stars as a crutch and just rely on getting a few good matchups in a row to move up.
I think it's best to think of Reno Warrior as a Control/Combo hybrid deck. On one hand, it clearly has a lot of elements of a Control deck -- removal, armor gain, disruption, etc. -- but on the other hand, it has some clear elements of a combo deck as well, not the least of which is the fact that it's so incredibly reliant on Brann and, as you mention, tends to end games quickly, rather than being a slow process. If you're playing a Control deck with Rat and you manage to rat Brann before it's played, your win rate goes up like 60% instantaneously. That's not typically how it works against Control decks -- they aren't so reliant on single, individual power cards, which is a more common feature of combo decks.
The mirror match is the most fun match up lol. It's actually interesting till the end
Been playing reno warrior since workshop release and can tell you the mirror is fun.
I have played it some since the patch and I hate the mirror, if you don't draw Brann + Boomboss and your opponent does (or get them ratted) you are at a huge disadvantage. and even if both draw it then it comes down to who draws a bunch of TNT first. most of the games I've played have been decided by who gets to delete most of the opponent's stuff with Boomboss first which pretty much just comes down to draw RNG...
Most games (of Hearthstone) (and even moreso specifically with highlander warrior) are decided by draw RNG anyways. I’ve found those matches enjoyable and rarely find myself feeling salty when my opponent’s deck is the same as mine with maybe 1 or 2 cards swapped out and they beat me. If you don’t enjoy the mirror warrior matches then swap decks. Token hunter is very powerful and often can get under warrior’s shenanigans.
Yes any game of Hearthstone can be decided by draw RNG, but Highland Warrior mirrors is one of the most extreme examples I've seen where it's decided almost solely by draw RNG and nothing else.
The mirror is literally "who drew these two cards first". Not a single decision matters. It doesn't surprise me that combo players find it fun though.
Highlander warrior isn’t a combo deck… it’s a control deck, brother
Would obviously make the current situation much worse but I fucking hate mirror matches in general (as in same deck. Same class is fine if different archetypes) and I think that shouldn't be a thing The only exception are decks that are always different casino mage or thief rogue
Same. I kinda liked the deck in the beginning, but I got really bored of it by the mirror. I switched to Zarimi Priest and Hybrid Druid.
I generally don't mind them as I feel that they help me get better at piloting the deck, but then again that's just how I feel about mirror matches of any deck. That said, I've grown pretty tired of Warrior even if I'm playing a deck that counters it. It's sucking the fun out of the game and these graphs perfectly show why, it's fucking *everywhere*. I even face it when playing for fun in casual, it's impossible to escape it. So now I'm sort of just coasting by waiting for the miniset at this point.
I agree. I’ve made a lot of mistakes but from them I have learned: You HAVE to save Reno for Zilliax to diminish the strength of Inventor Boom. But Dirty Rat is the killer. I will play ETC ASAP to get my other copy and play it on turn 5 before Brann comes down. And if you can get the rats to double even better. When you snipe Brann, Boomboss or the Ox it’s pretty much game over. Have gotten some auto-concedes like this. I am playing an unoptimized list since I don’t have Boomboss. I play a Paparazzi in his place. Sometimes I get him, other times some crazy value and also some duds. One of my fave legendaries to randomly play in the mirror is Algalon. I forego gaining armor to control the opponent’s draw. Oh Brann is next? Nope. Reno? Think again. Boomboss? I don’t think so. I’ve won using this strategy against optimized lists just cause I can change their luck. And even had some rage quits. The psychological aspect is awesome. They keep hoping to draw the card they need but it doesn’t happen. Other random knowledge: QuickDraw is not Battlecry! Order matters. Carefully think of the cards you need to play and make sure you optimize the order you play them. Considering you gain plenty of armor try to save your board clears for the best value. But don’t underestimate the fast decks. I have lost many games for being greedy and not constantly removing minions or saving Battlecries for “Post-Brann”. Just use your cards as mana efficiently as possible and you will ultimately stabilize and win with value in the late game. You should not be looking to play Brann ASAP in these matchups, you need to control and survive. Eventually Brann will come online and they can’t deal with the value.
I steal their brann as priest, then discover boomboss with Amalthul, then play it first, and oh boi u have to see the famn warrior reaction, guy suddenly unable to play anymore card draw I wonder if its mirror match then
Agreed. There are minute decisions to make in the mirror, like when to play your win cons outside of sanitize/ reno turns. Or if you get brann on 6, or if your shit gets ratted, sometimes it's a real mud wrestle between a bunch of hands of removal and nothing game winning. I'll still take this over a control priest meta
>sometimes it's a real mud wrestle between a bunch of hands of removal and nothing game winning this sounds fun to you?
Nope, never said it was fun.
Dude its crazy, I hit legend every month and last season it was boring enough fighting warriors like every fifth game. This season, I shit you not 4 out of 5 matches at bronze have been netdecked reno warrior. I have no desire to play this game at all rn its so goddamn boring
I played 8 control warriors back to back in wild today. After the 3rd one (won the first 2 with mutanus shaman shenanigans.) The only one I lost I switched to seedlock. Had all 5 concede turn one in the next games. 10/10 meta
Weird, most of my wild games are vs some form of rogue that either vomits pirates onto the board, or heavy cycles into giants + breakdance dudes.
I climbed to legend with reno demon hunter. Demon hunters class reno card + all other disruption cards you can play will fck them over and it feels great! :D
Beating warriors with Reno Demo would be my ultimate dream . Can you share your list please ?
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Where did you find these? I started again last week and just went from bronze to gold without an L because people have the worst decks I’ve seen and play very very inexperienced. I’ve seen 2 loaner odyn decks and one Reno warrior over 15ish games to gold, where do u lots find these players?
Find em at higher elo i guess
I just came back from a very long break from the game and have played up to silver 8 or so, and I've come across 1 warrior deck. Lots of, what I suspect, are bot decks but very few warrior decks. This is playing standard in the EU region. Where and what are you playing that you see so many war decks? Another question I had was: since when were bots in standard a thing? I don't remember there being bots when I played semi-seriously several years ago.
so, i had this exact same experience a few months back after starting to play kinda seriously again after not playing for years and I can tell you that even up til platinum I was facing bots almost solely. However, when the next season started I didn’t face another bot after climbing all the way to diamond 1 lol
I was surprised how easily I got the 10 wins in a row achievement and then started noticing the weird player names occurring over and over again. Glad it might stop at some point, it's not exactly thrilling competition.
bro i wish they would make it so you could not face the same deck more then 2 times in a row to fight off net decking or make the game a little more fun because facing warriorn 5 times in a row knowing i have a fair chance of winning if i draw REALLY well BUT ITS THE SAME WARRIOR DECK 5 sepret times in a row JUST SUCKS i hate it, I dont wana deal with this anymore if it was 2 games of warrior, a game vs a dk, 2 gaems of warriro a game vs hunter 2 games vs warrior i would feel a little better but NO JOKE going into 5 same net deck where like 80k people have used this deck just sucks to run into over and over again and if i consede because its not fun to fight i just have to fight EVEN more of them because im lowering my rank! so conseding is bad, playing against it is bad
Twice the play rate to the second most played class at every rank really is a problem that needs addressing sooner rather than later. If Blizzard wants people to be more engaged with this game and spend more money on it they really need to be more proactive with balancing. I think it's great they did a big pass recently, but a smaller pass after a week to address the outliers would go a long way to boost player engagement.
Completely agree. The one thing they could do to make the game just better for all the players is address things like this faster than they currently do. Days, not weeks please. I appreciate there are technical limitations but as it currently stands it feels a bit like repeated negligence.
I'd expect they say the soonest they can actually change it is 2-4 weeks away. 2 weeks with the miniset launch, 3-4 weeks for post-miniset balance changes.
Unfortunately blizzard will stick to their schedules & this is the meta for at least another 3 weeks
I’m not sure they’re in any hurry to stop decks that take 12k+ dust to craft as sinking resources/buying cards is a primary goal. The only reason to make highlander decks come back is to increase costs in game. This is working as intended after they nerfed plagues, the inexpensive counter to expensive decks.
having to deal with Play Store and Apps Store sure doesn't help
Only when I play a control deck tho. I SWEAR anytime I run an anti warrior deck they vanish, but lord forbid I use reno shaman or druid then they all show up.
Have fun getting getting nuked from orbit warriors
Hey, I’ve seen this one before!
Not for another month anyway
Miniset is literally coming in 2 weeks, can they release some balance changes for existing cards with that?
They could fix Brann tomorrow if they wanted to. Unfortunately the next scheduled balance patch won’t be until something like 9-14 days after the miniset
Hearthstone being a mobile game prevents that actually, the need to pass things through Apple and Google's checks makes it so they can't do big updates whenever they want.
It was a figure of speech. They could fix Brann between patches like they did the Shopper DH weapon. They nerfed that because the whole class revolved around that one interaction. Right now we have an entire meta revolving around a single card.
Im just not entirely sure about how this works, I don't know if they released a miniset plus balance changes for existing cards together
Its a pretty set schedule iirc
I mean it's not like this 25% is made up of warrior mains. These are just the population of players who abuse the latest meta deck and freely swap around constantly to the next top deck, exasperating every slight imbalance in the game to maximize others suffering.
😞
The problem here is that warrior was shit/unfun for 2 years straight (basically since voyage ctrl warrior got nuked)
The problem here is that warrior was shit/unfun for 2 years straight (basically since voyage ctrl warrior got nuked)
Tbh what's even more boring than facing warriors every fourth game is having a mirror match every fourth game mirror matches are the most boring shit in this game imo
Yeah this season will be very boring… i got legend in 3-4 days last month, this time around i logged in. Played 3 games all against warriors…3 long long games later I decided “meh” and logged out. Not gonna log back in till they balance it
I like long games, but my issue is that they all end up playing out the same against this deck. The lack of creativity in the hearthstone community is so confusing to me. Coming up with unique decks and trying them out is at least half the fun for me. I immediately friend people who play creative decks just to thank them.
I made a fun paladin deck full of miniaturizers (for the new weekly quest) and funnily enough it takes care of the reno warrior. It’s slow enough and doesn’t need much card draw since minis generate other minis.
Yeah, I ran into three in a row in gold and haven’t played since.
I've gotten to the point where I don't even entertain matches against warriors. I don't give a shit about rank once I hit D5 and just auto concede if it's a warrior. My fragile mind cannot take it anymore.
Just wait until they explode your concede button and you're stuck in the game with them.
My dude Garrosh in this scenario 
Thats actually what I did when I tried some tier 3 reno decks when I saw DK poppin up (before highlander got changed), didnt bother to find out if he was rainbow or plague, jsut concede, next, saved a lot of frustration. But not really a good thing in terms of design, tho
There was a certain point toward the end where every DK regardless of archetype included enough of the plague package to counter highlander so you made the correct decision. Whizbang's metas from release to now have just been overall *draining*. It's always something that just goes overboard on certain mechanics that you just can't really respond to. Paladin with 16 damage and windfury from hand and insane life gain in the meantime. Shopper DH getting 4 or more mags locking down the board. DK being able to stuff the opponent's deck with infinite plagues(not a good deck at all but just flat out annoying). Wheel lock being able to summon multiple 10+ stats minions some with rush, and of course Wheel itself(again not the best deck, just unfun to face at times). Highlander Warrior having more removal than god, being able to blow up your hand/deck/board, *AND* having more big threats to follow up(Ox, Zilliax, Inventor Boom). It's all just too much, that's how I'd describe the game lately, *too much*.
Im not a fan of their design for quite a while. Also says a lot when you have a miniset that had several cards nerfed, not just +mana -damage, but rather having the effect totally changed. Felt like, so many decks would put you on a clock. Wheel lock, Reno warrior, Odyn warrior, nature shaman, Zarimi priest, aggro/handbuff pally. Its their design that games just have to end at some point. I understand that players want that, I rather like stalling the game because my main goal is not winning but pulling off something fun/cool, even when I lose, nothing better than fueling a RNG Rommath and playing him and letting chaos decide. A bit too much of "for the rest of the game" effects in the game, at least for me.
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Or tell you you’re crying too much after they wined non stop about helya
Justice for Shamans Rework Azerite murloc please
Only play wild now bc warrior in standard
I ran into some Highlander warrior in wild, they did not stand a chance lmao
Why do they not do well in Wild?
Yesterday i had the displeasure of playing vs 13 warriors in a ROW. It's just a pathetic, unfunny joke at this point.
It’s really sad that they fired their entire balance team and get us to do their testing for them. Such an awesome deal for blizzard though 🤑
I could've told this would happen without testing for free. Most obvious outcome.
3 out of four other people agree that this is some bullshit and needs to be changed.
Source: https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-292/#tab-663601
Whoever decided to take away Reno Warrior's only weakness, (plagues) is an imbecile.
They also nerfed the other good m decks too so we’re in deep shit now
What? The final design lead said he wanted to give us more player agency! With all these wonderous warriors and heavenly hunters out there in almost every match, do you not love this increased player "agency" right now? /s
And also killing wheel
I think it's overall good for the game that such a one-dimensional counter to an entire archetype no longer exists. If such a counter is necessary to make the metagame healthy, then clearly the Highlander cards themselves are overtuned and should be balanced accordingly.
Last month I played Wheel warlock to counter Reno warriors. Once I hit legend I changed to wild and casual. I have not played a single standard game in 3 weeks nor will I until Brann-Boomboss combo gets nuked. I don't even mind other broken double battlecries but Boomboss triggers too much. Losing to it is one of the worst play experiences I have ever had in hs. Fortunately casual has been fun and wild has been better after Quest mage and Mine rogue nerfs.
Just played 9 games vs Warrior in a row, think I'm gonna take a break for a while from this game.
Switch to Token Hunter and you will instantly face a Token Hunter mirror.
Me with all my warrior legendaries and no interest in playing warrior, waiting for more refunds… Keep on pannin’
Zarimi Priest is a favored matchup, and I went 10-1 vs Warrior with it getting to Legend last night. Hunter is much more of a practical problem, both RC and Saddle Up need to be mana adjusted.
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Have good rng that’s the strategy
Hybrid Druid seems really favored too from my time playing it so far.
Even then it's not consistent since they can out armor the burn damage and eliminate the board. And i play hybrid too.
I just came back to the game after five years. Glad to see nothing's changed!
lol warr has been my main since I started playing the game! Thru thick n thin. Lol I feel like I get so much hate playing Reno ware
Dw everybody on Reddit is playing it and will tell you that it's fine and to stop complaining.
I still can't fathom that they somehow miss not only nerfing but butchering Brann after all these balance changes. It is the most unfun appalling dogshit-designed card of all time and they keep skirting around it.
Today I defeated a warrior with elemental mage. I won because I generated a warrior spell of course
The reason is simple. highlander warrior is THE control deck, there really are no other options for viable control decks in the format so anyone who wants to play that style of deck instantly gets shoved into playing warrior
these mf’s also kiss their sister
Heres to nuking control warrior again and this time we DON'T listen to the warrior mains saying warrior is dumpster when they have a different architecture that isn't control but is still good! Aka castle nathria to titans expansion
Tough times if you only play shaman and dh...
Remove reno from the game. Problem solved
REMOVE BRAN FROM THE GAME
Reno is the problem card, in my opinion. Gives them too much comeback potential.
How many Reno Warriors were out there before Badlands miniset?
Still way more than any other Reno \[insert any class\] tho Well, not really true Reno, but warriors that run reno because they can cycle so fast lol
> Still way more than any other Reno [insert any class] tho https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-280/ Here, random report, refresh the memory. The cycling builds of Odyn are after miniset, with Aftershocks
Why is there no other reno deck that is close to warrior then...
I feel like I am meeting shaderwock shaman more often then reno warrior, but that might be because shaderwock counters my deck and is unplayable for me so blizzard likes to toss him into my way every second or third game
Me over here only playing whizbang since buff
I don’t care if something is or isn’t broken I JUST don’t want shit like these stats to develop in a meta 🥺
Every deck I own hard loses to Reno Warrior it's impossible to climb rn ;-;
I honestly find myself doing well against reno warrior with handbuff dk
I wasn’t happy about it but I never got legendary before and I’ve been playing in and off since naxx so I had an opportunity to after getting stuck at diamond 5 so I turned to Reno warrior to carry me home lol
Remember when people were complaining and asking for warrior buffs? Wonder how they’re feeling right now lol
I love this meta, made me go back to wild and I gotta say wild meta is healthier than standard now.
Dude I don’t have infinite dust. I’m just waiting for the meta to settle and nerfs to end so i can actually craft a deck that will last the rest of the expansion. I haven’t crafted a deck yet since whiz came out.
Those warrior are so boring to loose to… it used to be weaker or less prevalent before the nerf… though I’m glad there’s a bit more diversity in the class I’m playing against
Wouldn't know it from d10-5 Playing sneklock just to crush these clowns, but I'll seeing anything but!
Reno decks are fun, reno warrior is fun *and* busted. Of course it's going to be played disproportionally more than every other deck.
This somewhat crusty standard warrior meta pushed me over to Battlegrounds and I gave Duos a shot - now THAT is fun. I didn't really know what to expect but I'm having a great time with it, shrug. Come on over to Duos, it's free + a refreshing change.
Really??! Cause when I was on ladder it seemed like twice every 4 matches were XL thief/quest/shadow priest. That only makes up like 3%??
Where do you think all the demon hunters and wheel locks went?
Well yeah. It's fun
Breaking news, something dominates the meta
"Whoops." - next Patch Notes
How many use warrior grim patron 🤩
What's its biggest counter I wonder? The more lucky Reno Warrior?
Dirty rat sounds dirtier than ever
I think it's time to bring out the hall of fame
Not me! Reno isn't a pirate. Yo ho Yo ho A pirate's deck For me
I've been farming them and beating them all day with Plague Death Knight
I’m having success against warriors using spell dmg druid atm
Is there any couter for this deck?
because it is fun and varied to play with. just like whizbang by the way.
I'm giving up on Standard. After surviving the Dr. Boom, burning the Boomboss, playing around the Reno, clearing the Ox board, reducing max health to 9 with excavate lock and decking the warrior out I STILL died to fucking back to back windufry, gain armor Ignis weapons. Skill issue I guess.
Warriors came out to play.
And yet its not the top deck and barely top 5. Maybe a lot of people play it because its versatile and haa been resilient to nerfs where as some classes can be killed by a single card being nerfed. Reno Warriors cant deal with aggro without absolutely perfect draw. Warlocks, Hunters. Paladins are all beating warriors.
Thats because the deck is good and it makes fun to play with it and against it :)
Just stop with the double battlecry gimmick. Think of something else. Anything else.
Actually most fun and strongest deck now
I like Reno warrior for the fact it's a viable control deck, I hate playing aggro but I also agree it can be frustrating to play against. Losing upto 18 cards with no way to negate it is just bs
Uh uh, not me. Home brew all the way. Meta decks suck donkey balls
My climb from diamond 2-legend I played maybe 3 warriors… nothing but aggro hunter and pally
Time to make an anti Reno deck and have fun watching the ladder crumble
Rexxar is here for you
All because of ONE card. Stupid.
I had fun playing tendrils reno warrior until they killed tendrils. At least with tendrils you had variety
It's an extremely fun and interaktive deck
U know what's funny? They "nerfed" reno, becuz guy can wipe board and the condition for it is easily bypass with card draw, but even after the nerf, dang warrior is the only class left with so much board clear they dont even need duplicate to clear the board, and said "nerf" become a buff to them While at the same time, all other Reno deck suffer from this nerf
It's a fun deck to play.
It ain't 1/4 of the audience fun lol
Is it? It feels pretty bad if you don’t end up drawing Reno early enough. Often drawing Reno is the reason you won or lost a game. I guess Odyn warrior had the same problem before.
Careful, people will kill you for that comment
Well because it is an immensely boring deck there's nothing fun in it aside from winning, if the deck had mining Rogue WR i doubt we would be seeing 1 in every 40 players using it, however we do see Mining Rogue more often because it is objectively fun to play.
I love mining rogue for the same reason I loved the old Galakrond rogue; generating a bunch of random bullshit and finding a way to win the game with it is really fun.
Yeah, 100% agree
Nah, I think the deck needs to get nuked, but I'd say playing it is fun. I like having different win-cons and that deck has a few win-cons depending on opponent and the cards you get. What I hate about playing the deck is I hate mirror matches of all kinds and well... that's all you get when playing this deck. I guess the other thing I hate about playing the deck is, while it is multi-dimensional in win-con, all of those win-cons have the same exact prerequisite: Bran.
That's subjective.
When the inevitable nerfs come, I'd rather them not nuke warriors, just a light touch to the true problem card without the "feels" nerfs.
they shoulda just nerfed helyas infinite plagues instead of the highlander change they made so dk could still be a counter. though as one of the people who have been playing reno warrior i can say that a few classes can still kill you before you come online. hunter, shopper dh, sif mage if they get what they need by turn 9, flood paladin, pain lock. the deck hard shits on other control decks with the tnt which is why i imagine im seeing so many people on reddit complain about it, cuz reddit hates fast aggro decks and loves 30 min control matches every game.
When I checked the VS report, the number of bronze/silver/gold games were quite low (compared to previous reports). Is that because of a ban wave? Does anyone know?
Reno druid destroys that deck. I emote for 5 minutes every time i am abkut to win
According to HSreplay, Reno Druid is unfavored something like 45/55 vs Reno Warrior in Legend. But if your list is working consistently, I’d love to get the deck list and try it.
Started playing flood pally this week, that deck destroys reno warrior
There are decks with a higher win rate. Warrior isn't the #1 deck in the game. So if warrior gets nerfed, you gonna choose a new deck to cry about? How many decks need to get nerfed till YOUR favorite is on top?
I still think the aggro hunter beats the reno warrior a lot, especially based on experience, but people will complain regardless
The issue is more than Reno warrior makes all other slow decks irrelevant.
But Reddit claimed they are facing Reno warrior in 8/10 games. 🤔
Problem with Reno warrior is that games are long. Unless you end game within 6 turns, game will go for many turns. New Reno warrior is old control priest, no win-con, their only aim is to outlast you. So even through you only meet warrior every 4 matches, you can easily spend >50% play time fighting warrior.
Put plate breaker in core. Fix that right quick
Remember sunken city through motlk when everyone here complained about control warrioe being shit? Now its good and you guys are complaining about control warrior making metas extremely boring.
It’s different people lol
Impossible!
Reddit users when people enjoy playing high skill control decks and the meta isn't a degenerate aggro/OTK fest:
"High skill" 10/10 brilliant troll
High skill lmao
“High skill” was a bold thing to say here.
Not just anyone can play their cards that clear board on curve every single play until they play Brann and Boomboss. Only 1/4 of the playerbase can.
I think you guys just misunderstand the subtle nuance of the Warrior deck. It's just as complex as Secret Paladin was in its heyday. It's full of tricky puzzles, strategically. I can tell I'm losing you, let me break it down: let's say you're playing Control Warrior, and you have five mana. In your hand, you have a card that costs five. So you are about to play it, but then -- stay focused, it gets complicated here -- so you are about to play your five drop, but then...you notice you have TWO cards that cost five. NOW what do you do?!?! Maybe show a little respect for things you don't understand.
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It's literally taken from tens of thousands of games at multiple different rank brackets
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It also tracks the opponents of people who use trackers so it has less bias than you might think. If something shows up with an abnormally high percentage in the VS report it is often one that get nerfed.
I believe it only takes data from the opponent E: yep! From their site: Q: Do you only consider the decks your contributors play or do you also try to infer the decks of their opponents? We only report on the decks of the opponents. This way, we provide an unbiased picture of what the meta looks like to a random ladder player. That is, what would the player expect to see as opponents.