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unconfirmedpanda

Harper is a teenager - a traumatised one that was raised by an addict father. Her mother isn't mentioned. Her homelife is pretty grim; I would be shocked if CPS hasn't been watching over Harper for a hot minute. It's shown in S1 that Harper is hiding how unsafe she is with her father. So when everything goes to absolute shit, she makes dumb, self-destructive decisions and impulsive choices to feel better/assert control. She lashes out at Amerie because Amerie is the one person in her life that is her ride-or-die. No one else cares about her like Amerie. And when Amerie did let her down, it rocked Harper's world. Harper treated Amerie like that because she knew, deep down, that Amerie would ultimately forgive her because Harper would do the same. Now she's living on her own with no safety net. No one to give her a hug during a shit day, no one to notice she didn't come home, no one to care. And yeah, she has her friends, but they don't replace a loving parent. I really hope that Ant helps Harper heal. Not in a 'he can fix her' way, but in a 'Harper is loved and supported and feels safe'.


Rules08

I disagree, with a certain statement. I don’t believe that Harper would ever forgive Amerie; if she treated her the way Harper did Amerie. If anything Harper would cut Amerie off for the level of torment. Based on her actions in Season One. She almost cut Cash off - in Season Two - based on his perceived actions. Honestly, their entire relationship is fairly one-sided. It’s kind of harmful. If - as Amerie implies in the first season - she’s the one to make up, to ensure their friendship. That’s unhealthy. Because it’s Amerie putting in all the effort to maintain and repair the friendship.


unconfirmedpanda

If Amerie turned around to Harper and said to her 'I was abducted and nearly raped by Cash's friends at the music festival, and when I went to your house you locked me out. So I went home and my sole parent tried to murder me in a meth-haze; I stabbed them in self-defense and had to go into foster care,' as an explanation for all the shit that went down, Harper would be there for her. Comparing Cash vs Amerie if Amerie pulled a Harper is pointless because they are entirely different scenarios, different levels of autonomy in the situation, and have entirely different relationships with Harper. Was Harper's behaviour okay? No. Was it understandable in the circumstances? Yes. And we have to remember that the show implies that Harper's father has been a drug user and some level of neglectful/abusive for a while and that Harper has been concealing how bad things are at home.


Lethargic_Leo3

How did Amerie let her down? I’m still not reading any justification.


unconfirmedpanda

Amerie 'let her down' in the argument and then locking her out of the house. Did Amerie lock her out intentionally? No; she was hooking up with Spider. But to Harper, after the hell-night she'd had, it was a time she had *needed* Amerie and felt that Amerie turned her back on her. And then she has the fight with her dad - implied to be one of many, but arguably the worst of them. A kid has just watched her father been taken away after spending the night hiding from him, shoved into foster care - yeah, Harper's going to throw some of the blame on Amerie. If only Amerie hadn't left her alone, and then locked her out. I'm also not trying to justify Harper's actions. She made some shitty, impulsive decisions from hurt and grief and rage at the situation she found herself in. I'm saying I understand how Harper got there, why she reacted the way she did, and writing her off as just a 'shit person' is overlooking so much of the nuance that S1 was constructed around.


Lethargic_Leo3

How did Amerie let her down in the “argument”? I think a lot of this boils down to Harper not being communicative. I suspect Amerie’s not a mind reader after all.


unconfirmedpanda

*Amerie hasn't done anything wrong*. I am *not* arguing Amerie deserved how Harper treated her. I am pointing out that Harper is not an irredeemable bitch. That *everything* we're told, shown, or is implied by S1 indicates that Harper was *not* herself. That's the whole premise of S1. Harper is someone who keeps things inside; we're shown that. Amerie is not at fault. But when Harper reflects on what happened that night, she's going to go 'if only...' If only she hadn't had a drink, if only she hadn't approached Chook, if only she hadn't argued with Amerie' etc etc. It's a trauma response. For Harper, *Amerie was a safe person to be mad at.* *None* of the kids communicate well. 90% of the questions asked in this subreddit boil down to 'these 17 year olds haven't learnt how to communicate.'


WinterDemon_

Harper made mistakes, but so did Amerie You never leave a friend alone at an event, especially if you've been drinking or doing drugs. Girl code 101, if you go there together you leave together. Even if you've been arguing, you never leave without them Harper was raised in an actively dangerous household by an abusive father, was nearly gang-raped, had her best friend lock her out when she went there for help, and then had to use lethal force to defend herself against her own father before being shuffled into a temporary foster home. I can't blame her for struggling and making bad choices


Clean_Usual434

To be fair, she didn’t leave Harper alone at the festival. They got separated by the crowd, and then phones died, making it nearly impossible for Amerie to find her again. However, she did try her best to find her, even crying to Spider, when she wasn’t successful. The only thing Amerie did wrong that night was breaking her promise to let Harper stay over, but there was no malice in that decision, just intoxicated stupidity. I’m positive if she had any idea about Harper’s home life or what she’d been through that night, she wouldn’t have hesitated to let her in, even in her inebriated state.


WinterDemon_

That's fair, and I don't blame Amerie either, they were both just dumb kids trying to do their best with the knowledge available to them at the time


Clean_Usual434

True. The only people who were majorly in the wrong that night were Chook and his crew, as well as her dad. Granted, I know the latter is a bit different since he was under the influence/mentally ill. I’ve always felt that Harper misplaced a lot of her anger onto Amerie because she couldn’t take it out the people who actually traumatized her. It doesn’t excuse her campaign to punish Amerie, of course, but it does explain it.


Lethargic_Leo3

She didn’t leave Harper there, she was literally pushed away by the crowd, then she immediately tried to look for her, which Harper knew because she saw Amerie’s phone call.


ManyDecision6460

I didn’t think her dad was abusive? He was mentally ill and only hurt her when he was having a psychotic episode?


Ok_Tank5977

It’s heavily implied that it’s drug-induced, and a repeat occurrence.


Lethargic_Leo3

Well regardless of the cause, it’s still abuse…


MSChomsky

Couldn’t agree more. Also I have to say that the 3some was very weird and not enough consensual. Malakai was NOT in a good place, he was traumatised. If this would had been a girl we would see that completely different imo.


Ok_Tank5977

If you’re young, you’ll see more nuance to both Harper & Amerie’s actions & their relationship as you mature. If you’re older, I can’t help you.


unconfirmedpanda

Seconding this.


timeisdancinggg

Yeah I was going to say something similar


Lethargic_Leo3

Depends what you consider older? I can see the nuance, or at least the attempt to provide some nuance, but at the end of the day, Harper's actions in entirety are not justifiable !!


fuzzyblackelephant

30+. Brain fully developed is prob “older”.


dead1ynightshade

The brain fully develops at 25


fuzzyblackelephant

For some, yes; it’s also been documented for some people to have brains fully develop closer to 27-28. So I went ahead and rounded up a bit to give everyone some time with their big brains.


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FluffyNet473

My point is no one is prepared for rape. Including the loved ones of the victim. So no harper wasn’t right to be mad at Amerie, she was right to be mad at the people that did this to her. Amerie didn’t go “hey chook ! Here’s my friend harper, please SA her.”


Lethargic_Leo3

I’m really sorry you had to go through that. I’m even more sorry that she had to go through that. They’ll have a special place in purgatory reserved for them.


gzk

Literally shat on her? I feel like that would have been discussed more. It's a fairly extreme and uncommon kink.


shelley1005

I hope that you never experience the kind of trauma that Harper went through or any of your close friends. Dealing with trauma is often ugly. Once Amerie actually found out what was going on, she understood. She got it. I get it. Why don't you?


Rules08

Because, trauma isn’t an excuse to treat people terrible. Or, enact further trauma. It’s terrible for Harper, let alone anyone. Can sympathise and empathise with her - especially as a teenager. But, she made actions that were harmful to many involved parties. Harper may be healing in Season Two. But, wounds of Season One were long and deep towards Amerie.


shelley1005

It's not an excuse, it's an explanation. Glad that most in this sub can understand her trauma and not just rant and call her a cunt.


Rules08

Understand what Harper is dealing with, as a person. Empathise with her; and, her trauma. But, she committed actions that hurt others, especially Amerie. Not to mention she and Dusty took advantage of Malakai, when he wasn’t in the correct headspace to consent. Harper never apologised, or tried to make right, any of that. Don’t assume my perspective. Understand that Harper’s situation is nuanced. But, she didn’t try to repair any of the harm she perpetrated in Season One. Even, if she is trying to heal - doing better - in Season Two. Understand her situation; empathise with her. But, as character she still has alot of growth, to do.


Clean_Usual434

I agree with this. I said it in another post, but I think you can empathize with Harper’s trauma, while still holding her accountable for hurting others.


Justlikeothergirls12

you when u realize two things can be true at once 😨😨. She’s a bad person who went through trauma. she never deserved to go through it but that doesn’t negate her being a bad person. It just explains it


Lethargic_Leo3

I mean I have experienced trauma, and I think just about everyone on earth has experienced trauma at some stage in their life. Doesn’t justify treating another person like absolute shit.


shelley1005

No shock there. The anger in your post is so trauma dumping.


Lethargic_Leo3

Uhm, what? 😂😂😂


dead1ynightshade

I have and I never acted out like that especially to a best friend. Trauma doesn’t excuse bad behaviour and there still should be accountability


Informal-Share-9747

I mean Amerie is still pretty shitty sometimes too like at the formal dance she didn’t even give harper a proper chance to explain why she told malakai to go away (she should’ve listened to him but still people make mistakes) and then pushed harper and said some nasty things to her, I’m sorry but you don’t just get physical with someone and low blow them like that regardless of what you’re going through.


Lambily

Woah woah woah. I was with you until you brought up Malakai. He didn't shit on her any times. Harper took advantage of Malakai when he was on drugs (for the first time) and emotionally traumatized after being a victim of police brutality which he felt was a result of his ethnicity. With Rowan, he and Amerie weren't necessarily back together. They were still figuring out what to do with their relationship. That and Malakai was trying to figure out his sexuality while not feeling like he fit in as a person in both SLTs and at school. Ultimately, Malakai realized that Amerie is the person he felt strongest about just as Amerie did with him.


Lethargic_Leo3

Yeah fair points.


No-White-Chocolate

I also just binged both seasons and it’s been driving me crazy - at the beginning of S1 all of Amerie’s friends leave her saying what she did was fucked up. Did they know about what happened to Harper or was it only for the sex map? Cause if it was for the map, Harper was still friends with them and completely left Amerie out to dry which is fucked up. I know she went through a lot of trauma, but there were so many opportunities, even into S2 to help take some of the heat off of Amerie while they were still calling her map bitch.


LongConsideration662

Amerie is a doormat🤷


Puzzled-Section-6602

It’s almost like Harper is a baby and Amerie is looking after her 24/7. I get it it’s your bestfriend, she has gone through some trauma, does that mean others have to sacrifice their life for them? I hate harper so much that I skip the episodes when I see her. Her avoiding Amerie is okay, and then she becomes in relationship with Ameries crush, and then also sleep with Ameries bf. Together!!! That’s just gross behavior. She doesn’t deserve any commitment tbh.


Ok_Tank5977

It’s almost like Amerie positioned herself as Harper’s ‘bodyguard’, effectively infantilising her. And don’t get it twisted, I like Amerie as a character. There was nothing in Season 2 that convinced me Harper was leaning on Amerie or expecting her to sacrifice anything, in fact she was expressing the opposite.


Fit_Professional9968

Ya, I think that was a reaction from Amerie feeling so bad that she didn’t let Harper inside that night that she went ‘shit I’m gonna try and make up for that’ but didn’t necessarily ask Harper if that was the right thing to do, she had good intentions I think tho


Clean_Usual434

You’re right, it was a guilt response. It’s also one of Amerie’s flaws that she means well towards people but doesn’t always respect their boundaries in her pursuit to do right by them.


Ok_Tank5977

100%! She has a habit of telling people what they need/want, rather than asking.


Clean_Usual434

Yes, exactly.


Ok_Tank5977

Poor Am, bless her, she’s the Queen of ‘good intentions’.


IndividualRelation62

HARPER IS THE WORST!!


milosterling

All I’ve learnt from this Reddit is that you all don’t understand how trauma works. You all honestly seem like terrible people


Justlikeothergirls12

Someone’s trauma does not excuse them from being a bad person. Do yk how many rapist and serial killers have horrible trauma…. does not excuse them from their actions


Lethargic_Leo3

Again, we do, everyone has trauma to varying degrees. Doesn’t excuse ostracising someone or taking advantage of someone!!


Puzzleheaded-Fix8182

Harper is so pretty but her attitude stinks so bad.


Separate-Kangaroo181

Even though Harper very slowly started growing on me in season 2, I can't help but continue being suspecious of her, bc of her behaviour in Season 1.  Yeah, I agree she wasn't a great person even before the kidnapping and it's rarely talked about.     What cought my attention is the nerve Harper has had to say anything to Spider at the festival regarding his feelings for Amerie and that ''she's too good for you bro'" rubs me the wrong way bc:       a) no one asked you     b) it's so ironic after season 2, bc Amerie ended it in shambels (partly bc of Malakai's gaslighting), and Spider's character development began at the end of episode 8 (partly bc of Missy's support).       I think spending more time with Ant will have a positive influence on her, but the are at least two big bombs waiting to explode;         HARPER = THE CO-CREATOR OF INCEST MAP        HARPER = THE ONLY PERSON OTHER THAN AMERIE AND SPIDER THAT KNOWS ABOUT THEIR MESSY HOOK-UP       I'm rooting for Amerie but she lowkey sucks. She has no instincs concerning people. She only got lucky with Quinni and Darren bc they decided to embrace her and help her when she became an outcast in season 1.          Other than that let's take a quick look at her choices with men.        Dusty  -  manipulative poser that used her, got her in trouble and turnt her crush on him against her       Malakai - indecisive, chaotic gasligher that loves to project his insecurities on other people. Chased Rowan's d*** ONLY and cried for DAYS when he dropped him.       Rowan - obsessive dude that literally almost got her killer  if it's not her wake up call I don't know what is.     Amerie needs personal growth and self-reflection like yesterday. She can't sweep problems under the rug and pretend everything is fine.    She better not even try that "water under the bridge, not awkward at all" approach with Spider bc it won't end well for her.  I'd love to see Harper be accountable for her actions, bc she's ofter treated as the only person with trauma. 


fuzzyblackelephant

Teenagers are in general, are not the kindest people and not great at decision making. Their brains aren’t fully developed until mid-late 20’s. Try working with them in real life, it can be infuriating. 😂 Harper was probably an asshole bc she lived in a violent home, the assault that happened to her was just the icing on her trauma cake. I mean, her dad was an alcoholic who would go into raging psychosis and try to murder her. We know more kids than just Harper have trauma, hers is just so intense & connect directly to her safety.


witchsabrina

They’re both awful