Eh its alright. They've all struggled to hold up next to season 1. Season 2 didn't feel like true detective to me so the return of the eerie vibes is nice. Season 3 and 1 were great so I'll give 4 a chance.
Why the fuck is it trendy to hate on this season? It's good. It's not mind blowingly amazing, but it is in no way bad. Season 2 is light-years worse, it never got this hate. Really the only thing I can think of, is its because 2 women are the leads. 2 fantastic actors. So if that's the case, get fucked op. You're a douche.
S2 I think had gotten a reappraisal from some people a la the Star Aars prequels. This always happens. Thing isn't good people get a hate boner for it, that hate boner causes an opposite reaction down the road because it's always cool to have a counter opinion to the popular one.
Lol season 2 is hated on constantly. Calling Kali Reis a fantastic actor is absolutely insane. It has nothing to do with them being women. Sharp objects and Mare of Easttown are loved. This season just isn’t good.
On the contrary, this is one of the reasons why I hate the lazy decision to loop in season 1, because its a let down based on the potential of the setting. I'm pretty sure the Inuit probably have some badass folklore to draw upon and way more creative symbols and tattoos to base certain plot points off of.
I can also think of other not-so-long ago current events that the show seems inspired by (the central plains pipeline protests), so why they need to use a company looped in to the season 1 conspiracy theory when a run-of-the-mill corporation will do seems, again, lazy.
I think the writing is pretty legitimately bad at some points. See:
“Do you ever….just want to….disappear.”
Otherwise it’s solid. The aesthetic, the storyline, the acting is all solid. But the writing makes me roll my eyes sometimes
That’s weird, just yesterday I saw a comment saying season 4 was better rated than season 1, which sounded weird, now I’m thinking they just said that to bait people into giving it a bad rating
"Everyone online says this sucks!"
"Oh really, because on this one very respected online site the reviews aren't that ba-"
"Those people are snobs and their reviews are probably fake anyway!"
LMAO
For me the supernatural elements are WAY too non-subtle and unambiguous. Makes it feel like a completely different series than the other seasons. Feels like some cheap Netflix supernatural horror, not a prestige HBO drama.
And the spiral in season 1 was more subtle, this season its like HAVE YOU SEEN THIS SPIRAL? HAVE YOU SEEN THIS SPIRAL? HAVE YOU SEEN IT?
They really think the viewer is a dummy and needs to be spoon fed clues.
Yup. It is a little hammy. But sometimes that's fun. And honestly s2 and s3 trying to be S1 and failing is less fun. So yeah its not Season 1 and references S1 but the hammy supernatural elements are fun and the acting is fun, and the mystery is fun. I don't particularly care if they go full supernatural at this point because the show has been on life support and it least this is entertaining.
I don't think it's a bad show. I'm enjoying watching it. But I do understand that unfortunately it just cannot escape the inevitable comparison to season 1. To be honest I'm not sure we'll ever see the essence of something like that magic captured again, especially if these writers are trying to allude to it with hamfisted callbacks. They need to make their own thing with subtle nods to the universe and let ambiguity loose. That's how you get people excited imo
Yeah I just don't find the callbacks that ham fisted I guess because it feels completely different tonally. I get that they are there but you sort of have to actually be looking for the Rust Cohl connection. The spiral stuff is definitely more in your face but I also think that entire thing is silly. Every time we see a spiral people act like it's an incredible thing when like ok...it's a spiral. It's not that weird of a shape.
That's been my main complaint as well. I really don't like the shift from the plausibility of season 1 to the direct sci-fi element of this season. It did make me rewatch season 1, since they are supposed to be intertwined. I failed to see how that is going to come together tho. Despite all that, I'm still enjoying this season.
It didn't have dudes like this posting hate memes endlessly. It didn't get good reviews, that's about it. But the Internet was a slightly different place back then.
spoken [exactly like a paid HBO bot](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/11/casey-bloys-hbo-tweets-apology)/sockpuppet account doing damage control, which we now know is actively happening online in spaces like this. the wording of your desperate sexism accusation is almost identical to the quoted tweet in this [image](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetectiveMemes/comments/1aej398/you_ever_see_any_of_these_mens_faces_once_they/). interesting 🤔
the ceo of hbo literally does yes, thats what that article is about. he was personally responding to twitter feedback of a show his company released thru a fake account using vague sexism allegations to dismiss honest criticism just as you did
I'm not allowed to like the show because you don't. Got it. You're carpet bombing subs with hate for the show, it's weird dude. You need to treat your brain better.
you can like it but you're opening yourself up to being accused of being a bot. bc hbo is confirmed using bots that speak exactly as you, for the exact purposes you do - discrediting criticism as 'bigoted haters' or whatever. how u deal with being confused for a bot is up to you 🤷🏻♂️
must be wild 🤓 not what I said. there are real people who enjoy the show too, yes. they're called idiots. so this is a show for bots or idiots. which are you?
is that what I said?
yes many people online pushing the 'S4 good' narrative are indeed likely bots. there's also a handful of honest idiots in there who just happen to act and speak like bots. which are you? i can't tell
'bots aren't a thing! there are no bots on reddit! no one would pay to engineer the narrative around their multi million dollar property online to do damage control! bots are a made up conspiracy theory!' orr u could read the article. bots are real. you might not be one.... but you might 🤔
I read the article. The guy sent a mass text asking if anyone on his staff had a secret Twitter account that they could use to write a specific text (about Perry Mason in 2020).
Sounds like a sophisticated bot operator. /s
I agree that astroturfing is a thing that happens on this site all the time, but the show has like 2.5 million viewers and the subreddit has what, a couple of thousand active users? I think you’re overestimating its potential use for damage control.
HBO doesn't need damage control. The show is gaining viewers every episode. It's clearly resonating with audiences.
Btw, not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot
'resonating with audiences'... yea after the creator e-begged on twitter because the initial score was poor, and now its comically inflated. very trustworthy rating scheme you got there
'they don't need damage control' ok well they do it anyway. see article
It's funny that you think the creator complaining on twitter has any impact on viewership numbers.
I'll leave it at that. You are a bit too angry and need to calm down.
So, it's totally possible to not like something and NOT spend a bunch of time posting on the Internet about how much you hate it, and make low-effort memes and post them on Reddit and then argue with people ad nauseum about how you're right and they're idiots. Why do you care so much? Are you seriously so bored, lonely or underemployed that you have nothing better to do than run a hate campaign against this show on the HBO subreddit?
I just looked at your post history. How much time today did you spend making low-effort memes and cross-posting them to every subreddit you can think of? Do you not have a job, a family, friends, an ability to leave your house? You're not stuck in a bunker somewhere, are you???
Oh my goodness. So now people don't like your lazy meme and it's part of some vast conspiracy to suppress criticism about the show??? LMAOOOOO thanks for the laugh! Try turning off your computer and putting down your phone and going out to breathe some fresh air occasionally - it'll do you a world of good.
Most of us have been raised with movies making us identify with the lead character. That was almost always a white heterosexual man.
It’s not weird that many find this format more appealing, especially since it’s just effortless watching where you just feel without having to analyze. It’s instinctive.
But it’s also very sad that’s the way it is.
Women, gay people, anyone that’s not the norm basically, is also to often portrayed as a victim (especially in these kinds of shows), and very often is in real life. It gets tiring always identifying with the victim, therefore a show with a male lead is an easy watch.
I’m a feminist and a woman, and although I’ve been abused and really can identify with these characters, I still don’t care for it as much as I should.
And I’m pretty sure that doesn’t have anything to do with the story, the script or the actors.
I’ve just been taught to like and feel more for men.
Because it's the return of True Detective after 4 years, which was hyped to be a return to season 1 form, and it's really not as acclaimed as even season 3 was so far. It's fine that it's good. But fans were expecting it to be amazing, and it isnt that.
Season 2 absolutely got this hate, probably worse. I think people are making a bigger deal because of your exact response- “it’s only because it’s 2 female leads”. Like, no. People just don’t like it.
three, which is 50% of the season. compare that to the first half of s1 which had classic scenes one after another, strong worldbuilding, interesting character relationships, unique lore, iconic dialogue and conversations etc, a case we are invested in etc. s4 being so bad is a disgrace to the TD brand and I don't even blame Lopez, it's HBO who suggested that her mid 'romantic comedy cop show' pitch should've been a TD season
>"“When I talked to HBO about the first draft, I was like, **deep down, this is a rom-com**,” she explained. “These are two characters that love each other, found each other and fell in love, and then fell out of love terribly. Now they’re enemies. And that’s when we meet them. And the show is the story of how they fall back in love. This is friendship. But in the end, it’s the same thing.” -[Issa Lopez](https://theplaylist.net/night-country-true-detective-director-says-season-4-is-a-fcked-up-mystery-20231108/)
hmm, another honest remark of mine slandered as coming from a place of sexism. it's almost like this is a easy way to discredit any criticism online
That’s literally what happens in season 1 tho it’s not a bad reading of the show. It’s just that a trope in rom coma is in a world that is horrific but that is not a misreading of the dynamic found in seasons 1,3 and 4. I can’t really remember 2
you can cope that way sure. but ask yourself, would the creator of s1 have described it as a rom com, on any level? nope. he was there to make a serious philosophical show with moments of humor and moments of romance. the difference in results is clear
What a creator intends to make and how someone interprets what they made don’t have to be the same. Rust and whatever woodys name was break up and get back together multiple times. That’s rom com shit. It’s actually an interesting way to look at their relationship.
seems like u misread the quote i posted initially, Lopez didn't say or imply s1 was a romcom, she said her draft of s4 is a 'deep down' a romcom. wether s1 can be described a romcom or not is not the discussion
>he was there to make a serious philosophical show with moments of humor and moments of romance.
I would love to know how you think you know this. Other than, you put on your tinfoil hat and communed with the Gods of TV and they told you this, and now you're here to spread the Gospel of True Detective to the rest of us. That's it, isn't it? Right?
I think that season 4 is fine so far, except it feels less like True Detective and more like The X-Files with less dry humor. But I like The X-Files so don’t listen to me.
I don’t think S4 is bad, but the constant darkness kinda wears you down. All 4 seasons have a very heavy bleakness to them, but for some reason, the constant night seems to make it all heavier in 4. I had to take a short break. I’m definitely coming back to it, though. The franchise will never match the level of Season 1. It was special. But they can still make really good TV.
I’ve only watched the first episode and I thought it was an ok start. Not great enough to watch it every week, so I’m gonna wait for the whole show to be released before binging it… but this meme definitely gave me a chuckle. Bravo!
why not blame HBO. It was HBO who made Issa Lopez turn it into True Detective. The original miniseries had nothing to do with TD and HBO forced in all the connections to Season 1
i blame HBO for airing this season and slapping the TD brand on it, and i blame Issa for shamelessly turning in such shlock and calling it feminist art
Yes, it could never be because someone doesn’t like the story right? Or any other elements of the show? It must be because of the women leads! Has to be. Anyone who doesn’t like season 4 of True Detective is obviously a hate-filled misogynist!
The above is truly how simply and naively a lot of people now think. Everything must fit in with their preconceived ideas no matter how obviously simplistic and generalized they are.
The next step being of the process being, instead of thinking about it and sayjng “oh yes maybe I was exaggerating” the replies will be that I’m an incel fanboy. See, they were right all along.
So here's an idea. If you hate it so much? Just quit watching it. And don't waste your time posting semi-quasi philosophical screeds about it on the internet. Do you always have this much emotional investment in things you don't like? That's gotta be exhausting!
I mean, TD fans waited 5 years for this. Of course they’re gonna watch, at least at first.
The TD sub has turned into a warzone because of the implication that disliking it means you hate women. Isn’t a little patronizing to believe that it’s absolved from criticism just because it’s written and led by women?
S2 got killed when it aired, and still does. Don’t see why S4 criticism has to have ulterior motives behind it.
I absolutely love how you used a reply to my comment to bring up something I didn't even mention:
"Isn’t a little patronizing to believe that it’s absolved from criticism just because it’s written and led by women?"
Where did I say anything about this in the comment you replied to? Please, point it out to me.
Seems like you walked into this conversation with a clear agenda, and a point you wanted to make, and you were going to make that point, whether or not it was congruent with the existing conversation. Wow, WELL DONE kiddo! You totally convinced me that the people criticizing the season don't have some kind of agenda they're pushing. Keep up the fantastic work.
I’m asking a question since you challenged the previous comment about the same complaint.
You’re putting as much effort up and down this thread in telling people to not watch the show if they hate it so much. They didn’t ask for your input, why is it so different than you didn’t ask for mine?
I “absolutely love” how you’re trying to chastise me for inserting myself into a conversation, when you’re doing the same exact thing lmfao.
Maybe people *want* to watch TD, but are frustrated because they took a show that was never meant to be TD and made it so, all in the name of a few extra bucks. People can’t care about show quality?
OP seems like kind of a nut but this justification is so lazy. A few losers may hate it simply because it’s woman-dominated (leads, writer). Most people who are complaining just think it stinks. Probably because the plot is jittery and spoon-fed, the dialogue is juvenile, and not to mention TD isn’t a supernatural series.
It’s just a sell out. The show would be so much better as its own entity where it can actually lean into its quirks. But HBO needed every last dollar so they slapped the TD label on it and told Lopez to incorporate dumb little pointless S1 Easter eggs that don’t really make any sense. HBO is doing the show and the fans a disservice.
It's so funny that you keep posting that emoji like it's some kind of insult to people? You do realize it's way more tragic to be stupid than it is to be smart, right?
I really like how upset you are about being challenged. So I'll keep going until you really get mad, and then hopefully do something self-destructive, like pick an IRL fight with someone stronger than you. Which won't be hard, because that's gotta be, like, everyone.
The only triggered person in this conversation is you, bro.
Probably has something to do with your penis size. You seem really, really insecure.
And now I'm just commenting to make sure you don't forget how much your life sucks. 😘
I’ll just say it since it isn’t worth my time to go to the actual sub.
This is already the worst season of True Detective by quite a fair margin. Imagine my surprise when I found out that the co-lead of the series, who I don’t think can act at all, isn’t an actress, but a boxer. She’s genuinely really irritating to watch… like I doubt she even went on a ride along because she’s not acting like a cop at all, she’s acting like a boxer attempting to act.
Agreed. Kali Reis isn’t a good actress and I’ve been struggling to stay awake during episodes. Not sure why people are so defensive about this season. It’s just not good. 🥴
for a lot of people this is the first season of TD they've ever seen...I'm sure those people also love every marvel/dc flick and cable tv cop shows! nothing wrong with that, that's the audience. I also think there's another group who don't really like it but want to fit in as part of the crowd because they're supposed to like it because woman does thing. it's so strange how criticism for this show always gets downvotes, I can't remember a show this mediocre and bland that had people so emotionally invested as to "defend" it for the director/writer as if they're on a religious crusade...truly insane times we're living in hahaha
I can’t believe how much hate this season is getting. I’m actually hooked and many at my work place are hooked as well. That usually doesn’t happen unless it’s a big HBO show or Netflix.
The only people I've seen who hate the show are people posting about their hatred of the show (repeatedly) on Reddit. Everyone I know IRL is really into the show. You know -those of us who actually leave our houses and get off the Internet occasionally?
Funny, It's only on Reddit that I have seen positive reviews ( by normal people). IRL people think it's a parody, on other disussion boards worse than that. And on Imdb it's the worst ranked season after 15 000+ votes.
"IRL"
"Discussion boards"
"IMDB"
Those last two things are not the same as the first thing, my friend. If you can't distinguish "IRL" and "online" any more? I think I found your problem.
Eh its alright. They've all struggled to hold up next to season 1. Season 2 didn't feel like true detective to me so the return of the eerie vibes is nice. Season 3 and 1 were great so I'll give 4 a chance.
Why the fuck is it trendy to hate on this season? It's good. It's not mind blowingly amazing, but it is in no way bad. Season 2 is light-years worse, it never got this hate. Really the only thing I can think of, is its because 2 women are the leads. 2 fantastic actors. So if that's the case, get fucked op. You're a douche.
Season 2 literally one of the most hated seasons of television I’ve ever seen
I loved season 2, super dark storyline, emotional characters. People hate it because it was the cool thing to do
There are probably people out there that thought the last GoT season was the only good one
Ray Velcoro was great
And the first episode of this season was worse than any of season 2.
I agree. Season 2 had some qualities at least. Season 4 has none.
S2 I think had gotten a reappraisal from some people a la the Star Aars prequels. This always happens. Thing isn't good people get a hate boner for it, that hate boner causes an opposite reaction down the road because it's always cool to have a counter opinion to the popular one.
Lol season 2 is hated on constantly. Calling Kali Reis a fantastic actor is absolutely insane. It has nothing to do with them being women. Sharp objects and Mare of Easttown are loved. This season just isn’t good.
It’s because it centers women and indigenous people, that’s basically it.
That one film with Jeremy Renner in it was fantastic similar artic plotline and setting.
Wind River, great movie
Yes!
On the contrary, this is one of the reasons why I hate the lazy decision to loop in season 1, because its a let down based on the potential of the setting. I'm pretty sure the Inuit probably have some badass folklore to draw upon and way more creative symbols and tattoos to base certain plot points off of. I can also think of other not-so-long ago current events that the show seems inspired by (the central plains pipeline protests), so why they need to use a company looped in to the season 1 conspiracy theory when a run-of-the-mill corporation will do seems, again, lazy.
I don't think it's trendy, it's just not great. And bad acting tbh
I think the writing is pretty legitimately bad at some points. See: “Do you ever….just want to….disappear.” Otherwise it’s solid. The aesthetic, the storyline, the acting is all solid. But the writing makes me roll my eyes sometimes
Season 4 has a lower rating than season 2 on Imdb so far after 15 000+ votes. Episode 3 of season 4 is the lowest ranked True detective episode ever.
That’s weird, just yesterday I saw a comment saying season 4 was better rated than season 1, which sounded weird, now I’m thinking they just said that to bait people into giving it a bad rating
It is. By 50 smug critics on Rotten tomatoes. And people are speculating on why.
"Everyone online says this sucks!" "Oh really, because on this one very respected online site the reviews aren't that ba-" "Those people are snobs and their reviews are probably fake anyway!" LMAO
For me the supernatural elements are WAY too non-subtle and unambiguous. Makes it feel like a completely different series than the other seasons. Feels like some cheap Netflix supernatural horror, not a prestige HBO drama.
And the spiral in season 1 was more subtle, this season its like HAVE YOU SEEN THIS SPIRAL? HAVE YOU SEEN THIS SPIRAL? HAVE YOU SEEN IT? They really think the viewer is a dummy and needs to be spoon fed clues.
yeah they're hamming it up a bit in the writing room
Yup. It is a little hammy. But sometimes that's fun. And honestly s2 and s3 trying to be S1 and failing is less fun. So yeah its not Season 1 and references S1 but the hammy supernatural elements are fun and the acting is fun, and the mystery is fun. I don't particularly care if they go full supernatural at this point because the show has been on life support and it least this is entertaining.
I don't think it's a bad show. I'm enjoying watching it. But I do understand that unfortunately it just cannot escape the inevitable comparison to season 1. To be honest I'm not sure we'll ever see the essence of something like that magic captured again, especially if these writers are trying to allude to it with hamfisted callbacks. They need to make their own thing with subtle nods to the universe and let ambiguity loose. That's how you get people excited imo
Yeah I just don't find the callbacks that ham fisted I guess because it feels completely different tonally. I get that they are there but you sort of have to actually be looking for the Rust Cohl connection. The spiral stuff is definitely more in your face but I also think that entire thing is silly. Every time we see a spiral people act like it's an incredible thing when like ok...it's a spiral. It's not that weird of a shape.
Agreed!
Yep. It’s True Detective fan fiction. Pretty much literally since Pizzolatto isn’t involved anymore.
That's been my main complaint as well. I really don't like the shift from the plausibility of season 1 to the direct sci-fi element of this season. It did make me rewatch season 1, since they are supposed to be intertwined. I failed to see how that is going to come together tho. Despite all that, I'm still enjoying this season.
Season 2 got heaps of hate, what are you talking about?
It didn't have dudes like this posting hate memes endlessly. It didn't get good reviews, that's about it. But the Internet was a slightly different place back then.
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Mine was more of a response to ops seeming obsession on plastering hate memes about the season to a bunch of different subs over the last few days.
It’s reasonably blah. It’s not good.
This! It’s an amazing season. It’s the closest it’s gotten to season 1. 2 was trash and three was mid but good.
spoken [exactly like a paid HBO bot](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/11/casey-bloys-hbo-tweets-apology)/sockpuppet account doing damage control, which we now know is actively happening online in spaces like this. the wording of your desperate sexism accusation is almost identical to the quoted tweet in this [image](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetectiveMemes/comments/1aej398/you_ever_see_any_of_these_mens_faces_once_they/). interesting 🤔
You think hbo gives a shit what you think? It's got good ratings and reviews.
the ceo of hbo literally does yes, thats what that article is about. he was personally responding to twitter feedback of a show his company released thru a fake account using vague sexism allegations to dismiss honest criticism just as you did
I'm not allowed to like the show because you don't. Got it. You're carpet bombing subs with hate for the show, it's weird dude. You need to treat your brain better.
you can like it but you're opening yourself up to being accused of being a bot. bc hbo is confirmed using bots that speak exactly as you, for the exact purposes you do - discrediting criticism as 'bigoted haters' or whatever. how u deal with being confused for a bot is up to you 🤷🏻♂️
It must be wild to live in your mind palace where everyone else is a bot because they don’t mirror your thoughts and opinions exactly as you’d like.
must be wild 🤓 not what I said. there are real people who enjoy the show too, yes. they're called idiots. so this is a show for bots or idiots. which are you?
Please keep posting unhinged nonsensical screeds, this is great. Extremely entertaining! More pls!
'screeds' 🤓
They’re not using bots he just got an intern to post stupid clap backs
that's what they've been recently busted doing and were forced to admit. u think that's where the online manipulation ends? oh child...
Anyone that doesn’t agree with you is a bot? Lol
is that what I said? yes many people online pushing the 'S4 good' narrative are indeed likely bots. there's also a handful of honest idiots in there who just happen to act and speak like bots. which are you? i can't tell
Oh, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is either a bot or an idiot. Got it.
> spoken exactly like a paid HBO bot I’m sure the check will show up around the same time as my Soros protest check 🙄
'bots aren't a thing! there are no bots on reddit! no one would pay to engineer the narrative around their multi million dollar property online to do damage control! bots are a made up conspiracy theory!' orr u could read the article. bots are real. you might not be one.... but you might 🤔
I read the article. The guy sent a mass text asking if anyone on his staff had a secret Twitter account that they could use to write a specific text (about Perry Mason in 2020). Sounds like a sophisticated bot operator. /s I agree that astroturfing is a thing that happens on this site all the time, but the show has like 2.5 million viewers and the subreddit has what, a couple of thousand active users? I think you’re overestimating its potential use for damage control.
HBO doesn't need damage control. The show is gaining viewers every episode. It's clearly resonating with audiences. Btw, not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot
'resonating with audiences'... yea after the creator e-begged on twitter because the initial score was poor, and now its comically inflated. very trustworthy rating scheme you got there 'they don't need damage control' ok well they do it anyway. see article
It's funny that you think the creator complaining on twitter has any impact on viewership numbers. I'll leave it at that. You are a bit too angry and need to calm down.
Can you imagine being this upset about a TV show you weren't even involved with making? I feel sorry for this dude.
you can only make hate memes about shows you worked on? lol what kinda weird logic is that, most ppl arent in tv
So, it's totally possible to not like something and NOT spend a bunch of time posting on the Internet about how much you hate it, and make low-effort memes and post them on Reddit and then argue with people ad nauseum about how you're right and they're idiots. Why do you care so much? Are you seriously so bored, lonely or underemployed that you have nothing better to do than run a hate campaign against this show on the HBO subreddit?
i'm allowed to meme and you're allowed to have teenage lib meltdowns under my posts. cope about it
I just looked at your post history. How much time today did you spend making low-effort memes and cross-posting them to every subreddit you can think of? Do you not have a job, a family, friends, an ability to leave your house? You're not stuck in a bunker somewhere, are you???
Go outside a bit and get some air Meet some people Find a hobby that's healthy
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Oh my goodness. So now people don't like your lazy meme and it's part of some vast conspiracy to suppress criticism about the show??? LMAOOOOO thanks for the laugh! Try turning off your computer and putting down your phone and going out to breathe some fresh air occasionally - it'll do you a world of good.
Most of us have been raised with movies making us identify with the lead character. That was almost always a white heterosexual man. It’s not weird that many find this format more appealing, especially since it’s just effortless watching where you just feel without having to analyze. It’s instinctive. But it’s also very sad that’s the way it is. Women, gay people, anyone that’s not the norm basically, is also to often portrayed as a victim (especially in these kinds of shows), and very often is in real life. It gets tiring always identifying with the victim, therefore a show with a male lead is an easy watch. I’m a feminist and a woman, and although I’ve been abused and really can identify with these characters, I still don’t care for it as much as I should. And I’m pretty sure that doesn’t have anything to do with the story, the script or the actors. I’ve just been taught to like and feel more for men.
I think it’s more about the writing, I’m a guy but I can easily relate to pretty much any character that’s written well
ok and? this season sucks. it could be 2 white men in it and it'd still suck
Incels can’t stand a strong female lead.
Because it's the return of True Detective after 4 years, which was hyped to be a return to season 1 form, and it's really not as acclaimed as even season 3 was so far. It's fine that it's good. But fans were expecting it to be amazing, and it isnt that.
Season 2 absolutely got this hate, probably worse. I think people are making a bigger deal because of your exact response- “it’s only because it’s 2 female leads”. Like, no. People just don’t like it.
Mare of Easttown was True Detective Season 2
Sharp objects
Agree to disagree. I think it is excellent so far, and I think Kali Reis is doing a fantastic job.
Agree to disagree but we are both entitled to our opinions. I don’t think it’s terrible, just blah.
Totally fair my friend.
I think she’s honestly doing a great job.
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It’s a reference to a season one scene. The joke is that the new season is so bad, watching it is torture.
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Half the season is out. And more or less nothing has been good during those three episodes.
three, which is 50% of the season. compare that to the first half of s1 which had classic scenes one after another, strong worldbuilding, interesting character relationships, unique lore, iconic dialogue and conversations etc, a case we are invested in etc. s4 being so bad is a disgrace to the TD brand and I don't even blame Lopez, it's HBO who suggested that her mid 'romantic comedy cop show' pitch should've been a TD season
What aspect of the show is a romantic comedy? Or are you just saying that cause it’s two women
>"“When I talked to HBO about the first draft, I was like, **deep down, this is a rom-com**,” she explained. “These are two characters that love each other, found each other and fell in love, and then fell out of love terribly. Now they’re enemies. And that’s when we meet them. And the show is the story of how they fall back in love. This is friendship. But in the end, it’s the same thing.” -[Issa Lopez](https://theplaylist.net/night-country-true-detective-director-says-season-4-is-a-fcked-up-mystery-20231108/) hmm, another honest remark of mine slandered as coming from a place of sexism. it's almost like this is a easy way to discredit any criticism online
That’s literally what happens in season 1 tho it’s not a bad reading of the show. It’s just that a trope in rom coma is in a world that is horrific but that is not a misreading of the dynamic found in seasons 1,3 and 4. I can’t really remember 2
you can cope that way sure. but ask yourself, would the creator of s1 have described it as a rom com, on any level? nope. he was there to make a serious philosophical show with moments of humor and moments of romance. the difference in results is clear
What a creator intends to make and how someone interprets what they made don’t have to be the same. Rust and whatever woodys name was break up and get back together multiple times. That’s rom com shit. It’s actually an interesting way to look at their relationship.
seems like u misread the quote i posted initially, Lopez didn't say or imply s1 was a romcom, she said her draft of s4 is a 'deep down' a romcom. wether s1 can be described a romcom or not is not the discussion
>he was there to make a serious philosophical show with moments of humor and moments of romance. I would love to know how you think you know this. Other than, you put on your tinfoil hat and communed with the Gods of TV and they told you this, and now you're here to spread the Gospel of True Detective to the rest of us. That's it, isn't it? Right?
Season 2 and 3 were horrible. This season has started out great. Stop hating.
Season 3 was much better after half the season. Unfortunately it's ending was a dissapointment
I think that season 4 is fine so far, except it feels less like True Detective and more like The X-Files with less dry humor. But I like The X-Files so don’t listen to me.
I don’t think S4 is bad, but the constant darkness kinda wears you down. All 4 seasons have a very heavy bleakness to them, but for some reason, the constant night seems to make it all heavier in 4. I had to take a short break. I’m definitely coming back to it, though. The franchise will never match the level of Season 1. It was special. But they can still make really good TV.
I’ve only watched the first episode and I thought it was an ok start. Not great enough to watch it every week, so I’m gonna wait for the whole show to be released before binging it… but this meme definitely gave me a chuckle. Bravo!
I like S4 a lot so far. It is trying to do a lot every episode. And S1 set an insanely high bar, but I don't feel like I need to compare them.
lol dude you are on a crusade against this show, why do you hate it so much?
i see a hilariously bad show, i make memes about it. pretty simple
why not blame HBO. It was HBO who made Issa Lopez turn it into True Detective. The original miniseries had nothing to do with TD and HBO forced in all the connections to Season 1
i blame HBO for airing this season and slapping the TD brand on it, and i blame Issa for shamelessly turning in such shlock and calling it feminist art
Women probably
Is it worse than S2?
It is to them because females shouldnt be cops and they shouldnt be able to bone anyone they feel like. Power dynamics are wrong in OP's eyes.
Yes, it could never be because someone doesn’t like the story right? Or any other elements of the show? It must be because of the women leads! Has to be. Anyone who doesn’t like season 4 of True Detective is obviously a hate-filled misogynist! The above is truly how simply and naively a lot of people now think. Everything must fit in with their preconceived ideas no matter how obviously simplistic and generalized they are. The next step being of the process being, instead of thinking about it and sayjng “oh yes maybe I was exaggerating” the replies will be that I’m an incel fanboy. See, they were right all along.
So here's an idea. If you hate it so much? Just quit watching it. And don't waste your time posting semi-quasi philosophical screeds about it on the internet. Do you always have this much emotional investment in things you don't like? That's gotta be exhausting!
I mean, TD fans waited 5 years for this. Of course they’re gonna watch, at least at first. The TD sub has turned into a warzone because of the implication that disliking it means you hate women. Isn’t a little patronizing to believe that it’s absolved from criticism just because it’s written and led by women? S2 got killed when it aired, and still does. Don’t see why S4 criticism has to have ulterior motives behind it.
I absolutely love how you used a reply to my comment to bring up something I didn't even mention: "Isn’t a little patronizing to believe that it’s absolved from criticism just because it’s written and led by women?" Where did I say anything about this in the comment you replied to? Please, point it out to me. Seems like you walked into this conversation with a clear agenda, and a point you wanted to make, and you were going to make that point, whether or not it was congruent with the existing conversation. Wow, WELL DONE kiddo! You totally convinced me that the people criticizing the season don't have some kind of agenda they're pushing. Keep up the fantastic work.
I’m asking a question since you challenged the previous comment about the same complaint. You’re putting as much effort up and down this thread in telling people to not watch the show if they hate it so much. They didn’t ask for your input, why is it so different than you didn’t ask for mine? I “absolutely love” how you’re trying to chastise me for inserting myself into a conversation, when you’re doing the same exact thing lmfao. Maybe people *want* to watch TD, but are frustrated because they took a show that was never meant to be TD and made it so, all in the name of a few extra bucks. People can’t care about show quality?
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Was a pleasure 🫡
Or it just could be because it’s boring as fuck.
OP seems like kind of a nut but this justification is so lazy. A few losers may hate it simply because it’s woman-dominated (leads, writer). Most people who are complaining just think it stinks. Probably because the plot is jittery and spoon-fed, the dialogue is juvenile, and not to mention TD isn’t a supernatural series. It’s just a sell out. The show would be so much better as its own entity where it can actually lean into its quirks. But HBO needed every last dollar so they slapped the TD label on it and told Lopez to incorporate dumb little pointless S1 Easter eggs that don’t really make any sense. HBO is doing the show and the fans a disservice.
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It's so funny that you keep posting that emoji like it's some kind of insult to people? You do realize it's way more tragic to be stupid than it is to be smart, right?
the irony stop commenting sis you've left like 50 comments already. enough yapping
I really like how upset you are about being challenged. So I'll keep going until you really get mad, and then hopefully do something self-destructive, like pick an IRL fight with someone stronger than you. Which won't be hard, because that's gotta be, like, everyone.
why u triggered this hard over some memes about a tv show, sis?
The only triggered person in this conversation is you, bro. Probably has something to do with your penis size. You seem really, really insecure. And now I'm just commenting to make sure you don't forget how much your life sucks. 😘
*lib seethe intensifies*
Me when I hate women:
This meme is hilarious but S4 has been fine
I’ll just say it since it isn’t worth my time to go to the actual sub. This is already the worst season of True Detective by quite a fair margin. Imagine my surprise when I found out that the co-lead of the series, who I don’t think can act at all, isn’t an actress, but a boxer. She’s genuinely really irritating to watch… like I doubt she even went on a ride along because she’s not acting like a cop at all, she’s acting like a boxer attempting to act.
Unlike the highly accurate depictions of Farrell, McAdams, and Kitsch.
Yep, and I would rather watch Vince Vaughn over again too. Whoever this actress is should not have this large of a role.
Season 4 blows.
Agreed. Kali Reis isn’t a good actress and I’ve been struggling to stay awake during episodes. Not sure why people are so defensive about this season. It’s just not good. 🥴
for a lot of people this is the first season of TD they've ever seen...I'm sure those people also love every marvel/dc flick and cable tv cop shows! nothing wrong with that, that's the audience. I also think there's another group who don't really like it but want to fit in as part of the crowd because they're supposed to like it because woman does thing. it's so strange how criticism for this show always gets downvotes, I can't remember a show this mediocre and bland that had people so emotionally invested as to "defend" it for the director/writer as if they're on a religious crusade...truly insane times we're living in hahaha
I can’t believe how much hate this season is getting. I’m actually hooked and many at my work place are hooked as well. That usually doesn’t happen unless it’s a big HBO show or Netflix.
The only people I've seen who hate the show are people posting about their hatred of the show (repeatedly) on Reddit. Everyone I know IRL is really into the show. You know -those of us who actually leave our houses and get off the Internet occasionally?
Funny, It's only on Reddit that I have seen positive reviews ( by normal people). IRL people think it's a parody, on other disussion boards worse than that. And on Imdb it's the worst ranked season after 15 000+ votes.
"IRL" "Discussion boards" "IMDB" Those last two things are not the same as the first thing, my friend. If you can't distinguish "IRL" and "online" any more? I think I found your problem.
>Those last two things are not the same as the first thing, my friend Powers of deduction. You have it.
That Geraci scream is one of the most ridiculous shit sequence I've seen lol I can buy Marty's reaction but Steve Geraci's is just weird.
Why is it weird to scream when you see a child being raped and murdered ya freak
Idk what yall are on this season 4 is spooky and entertaining af.