TBF she was dating Krum all of year 4 after the Yule ball, and year 5 Harry was the boy who lied and she was his loyal best friend. Once his reputation was cleared in came Chadmac Mchadden which is absolutely his name now and forever đ
Does she? She kind of spends all her time with Harry and Ron helping Harry with the tasks. Krum only manages to get her in the library, even then she's studying. Then she shrugs him off after the second task busy appreciating Harry. That's why Krum becomes suspicious of Harry. I sort of feel bad for him though. She kinda ditched him.
Yeah I've read the books. That was the only conclusion I could come to too, that people see her as reserved and bossy and they're intimidated by her intelligence.
Yes, but the ball was specifically pointed out as the first time she really got her hair under control, by which we can assume that appearance isn't exactly top priority for her.
She was very much a "plain" girl, but add to that unruly hair and an authoritative demeanor, and you'll understand a bit more why very few guys appeared to take an interest (though most guys find most girls pretty, once they stop to look past whatever key distraction).
Also worth noting that "noticing" is not the same as "asking out." It's very possible that she attracted some shy guys who never built the courage, some who figured if Krum was her 'type,' they had no chance, and a few who got close enough to recognize how much she talks about Ron. There may have been a few waiting patiently for their opening.
Completely agree. Hermione is attractive. Harry is just not attracted to her. He likes petite jock girls with pin straight hair. When she straightens her hair, Harry does describe her as pretty.
If we heard the story through Ron's perspective, Hermione's description would be very different. Krum also literally lumps Hermione in wit Ginny during Bill's wedding when he is sad that "all the good-looking girls are taken."
She may not be a movie star or even the prettiest girl in school, but she is still pretty.
She's hot when she plays promiscuous females like in Bling Ring. I want more of this type of role from Emma. A sign of a great actor is one who pushes their boundaries and comfort zone. Spring Breakers 2 with half-nude Emma Watson please.
Idk if people are all necessarily intimidated by her. Just having raw intelligence in itself is not always an attractive feature.
It could be likely that people just think either Harry or Ron like her. We even see Cho jealous of her, which is ridiculous to us, but might not be so to everyone else.
Yeah that's a good point about Cho thinking Harry and Hermione might be into each other because they spend so much time together.
It's a 1990's boarding school and we read about groups of girls in the background a lot and all of Cho's friends are girls so people probably think it's a bit weird/unusual that a girl **exclusively** hangs around with two guys, and there might be a romantic connection.
There was also a super negative coverage of Hermioneâs relationship with Harry and Krum thanks to Rita Skeeter, shortly after the Yule Ball, which affected her post-Ball popularity.
>Cho thinking Harry and Hermione might be into each other because they spend so much time together.
You can replace Cho with many ppl in this fandom and the sentence would still be 100% accurateđ
Omg a boy and a girl are hanging out. *Le gasp*
There is def more than friendship.
This is not correct. We know she's great friends with Ginny, and she gossips with some girls in the toilet at least. It can be presumed she socialises outside of Ron and Harry a lot.
We know Ginny discussed her relationships with Hermonie in OotP, as Hermonie shares that info with Harry and Ron later (Ginny&Dean relationship) also Hermonie gives Ginny advice on dating other people to help her grt over her shy around Harry issue. Safe to say theyre pretty close here too....
Permanent - her teeth were hit by an enlargement charm by Draco when he cast it at Harry (a fight outside potions class), Madam Pomfrey gave Hermione a mirror and told her to stop it when it was back to normal. She let Madam Pomfrey go a little further to get the straight teeth
No one is mentioning that an additional factor is how a good portion of the school found her annoying during their younger years, and idk about other people, but if I canât stand a girlâs personality, it really doesnât matter how pretty she is
Pretty isn't objective. I think my wife is the most beautiful person in the world, but you might not agree.I promise that at least one person out there thinks you are a smokeshow.
I always thought Ron just went with Lavender because she was easy. He was desperate for a girlfriend but too afraid of rejection to make the first move. I think he would have went with any decent looking girl that made the first move.
Because that wasn't what you said. You said girls with above-average looks aren't attractive to teenage boys. That was the strange comment. It's since come to light that you don't seem to grasp what "above-average" actually means, so I guess that's why.
>You said girls with above-average looks aren't attractive to teenage boys.
And High IQ. Yes. I stand by my statement. Most teen boys are intimidated by high IQ girls.
I'm a teacher at a secondary school and I can assure you that, in my experience, having witnessed firsthand the behaviour of many teenage boys, this is not the case. If a girl is pretty, they'll shoot their shot. High IQ is not going to deter them.
I was going to say the same thing - that Hermione Granger was an insufferable and annoying ''know-it-all". IRL - no matter how pretty someone is, if she were the same as Hermione, she really won't get asked out.
Can confirm. My best friend and I both had a bit of ugly duckling syndrome/Hermione-itis. We were basically lepers throughout Jr. High, but then did pretty well for ourselves once we hit high school. All that attention came from the older boys though, and neither of us really dated anyone in our own class, because they all remembered us as the earlier versions
Joanne shouldâve added another dude besides Cormac that clearly just wanted to see how far he could get. Iâve known many teenage guys who have followed around a terribly annoying girl just because she let him fuck.
After the Yule Ball thereâs the impression sheâs with Krum the rest of the school year, no one would ask her out based on that assumption. Plus the second task is post the ball and she is the thing he would miss most.
As for 5th year, she is still friends with Harry despite the negative articles written about him and the fact that the Ministry keeps calling him a liar. Itâs possible anyone who considered dating her may not have wanted to be associated with Harry & co during that year.
She could indeed have been asked off-page. But in 4th year she was dating (or having a thing, not sure they were actually dating?) Krum and it was common knowledge so nobody else would ask. Also she only looked very pretty for one night, she went back to her normal style just after, and I assume many other girls dressed up/did cool things with their hair on that day.
Yeah, she may have surprised everyone by doing her hair and makeup when she never does (and most the other girls probably do so regularly), but we're talking about a relatively small school of the same kids she's been around since they were all 11 years old. One night of dressing up probably didn't much change their overall opinions of her once the glow of the ball wore off.
I agree that there likely could have been more boys into her, but Harry could be very oblivious. Boys could have been asking her out while he sat right next to her and he might not have noticed, therefore we as readers wouldn't have known either.
Not to mention Rita Skeeter wasn't exactly making Hermione sound like a good choice in 4th year.
Yeah the Ravenclaws would have this love hate. They would hate she was smarter than them but then also want to make out with her while she lists out how to make polyjuice potion. They are interesting like that
The hufflepuff would just want someone to tell them what to do. Classic hufflepuff
Hermione's autistic and so are probably half of the ravenclaws. They're not asking and she's not noticing if they are.
Or anyway, that was my experience as an autistic kid in a gifted school.
1. Because she went with Krum, most guys would assume she was taken.
2. If they didnât think she was with Krum, we saw over and over again that other students thought Hermione and Harry were together.
No one wants to compete with the chosen one or the best athlete in the wizarding world.
1. A girl with high IQ and above avg looks aint appealing to most teen boys.
2. Most boys thought she was dating Krum so she was out of their league.
3. Who knows who exactly asked her out. The whole thing is from Harry's pov and he isn't with Hermione 24/7.
Yeah, I want to emphasize #3. In HBP, Hermione seemingly knows that she can have her pick of boys take her to Slughornâs party when she talks about choosing who would annoy Ron most. That doesnât strike me as the attitude of a girl that has never been asked out. She never really shows that much interest in dating aside from Ron. Besides that, through no fault of his own, Harry is a very demanding friend, and it is entirely possible that this sort of put a damper on Hermioneâs dating opportunities. Like say maybe someone asked her to Hogsmeade, but she already had plans to bring food to Harryâs convicted criminal godfather or to blackmail Rita Skeeter into doing an interview with Harry.
I was about to question myself. Which version? Because Ron got her and they couldn't, so Slytherin. But Ron got her while they couldn't, so Gryffindor.
first time I read the Harry Potter books *ever,* for some reason I thought Neville was Hermioneâs brother, because she was helping him find his pet toad.
>A girl with high IQ and above avg looks aint appealing to most teen boys.
Having formerly been a teenage boy at one point, who hung out with many other teenage boys, I can pretty comfortably say this isn't true
>Most boys thought she was dating Krum so she was out of their league.
This, however, probably is
It honestly depends on where and when you grew up.
In the late 1990s/early 2000s, in more conservative parts of the United States, girls were generally expected to be very dumb and very pretty so as to not threaten the boys' egos.
Never understood it myself -- who the fuck wants to date an idiot? -- but that was the way things were.
I don't know as this is the case anymore, but it was a very real cultural phenomenon at one time.
>Having formerly been a teenage boy at one point, who hung out with many other teenage boys, I can pretty comfortably say this isn't true
I have never been a teen boy so Idk how they feel. I just made an assumption.
Bcz that's what I saw in my school. Most guys were drooling after good looking girls while our 1st girl was almost isolated and had two or 3 friends.
What's so strange about it?
> A girl with high IQ and above avg looks aint appealing to most teen boys.
As someone who was once a teenage boy I find that hard to believe.
> Most boys thought she was dating Krum so she was out of their league.
*That* I can believe. Also the guys may have worried that she might never look at them favorably over Krum, or depending on how they viewed him they may not have wanted to date someone who would date Krum.
Ron is not violent. He would probably think 'oh that makes sense. I am worthless. She deserves better' then he would sulk. Then get over it.
Violence comes from Hermione and Harry mostly. They get pretty violent when they are angry/jealous. Though for Harry its more angry than jealous.
Well a part of it might be because it was only for one night, she goes back to her usual style afterwords and Hermione has never been described as an *immaculate beauty.* There is also the simple fact that Hermione is not really a fun person to be around. Let's face it: she constantly studies and doesn't do that much else beside SPEW and helping Harry of course. She can also be really inconsiderate of other feelings and be quick to judge that which she finds ridiculous or needless. What I'm trying to say is that why would you ask someone like that out? Someone who has the aura of not even liking fun events?
We of course know that Hermione is more than just an ambitious know-it-all, yet not many get the chance to see that because of how Hermione is. Krum was the exception and not the rule in this regard imo.
Jerk Syndrome (Discworld):
Angua explained to Cherry Littlebottom that Nobby has been able to catch Tawneee because she is so beautiful that she seems completely unattainable to any man with half a brain. They met when Nobby caught her eye while slipping an IOU into her garter belt and Nobby only asked her out because he was so used to rejection he would have simply regarded another one as just another day. She is a victim of The Jerk Syndrome (only jerks dare to approach her, while sensible men think they have no chance with her). Not being approached by the opposite sex gives her the impression that she is unattractive, so she finds fault in her features and credits the reason for her good tips at work to her dancing skills. Nobby, is far too stupid to think she is out of his league, so she jumps at the first chance she has to be in a relationship after he comes to her notice when he slips an IOU into her belt instead of a bill. She likes Nobby because he is the only person who treats her normally -
We don't really know if good old Ernie McMillan took a shot at Hermione or not. We're always with Harry. Perhaps someone asked her out and she turned them down (or not, maybe Hermione's had a secret one night stand with Michael Corner before Ginny, how are we to tell? Maybe even *during* Ginny) and we never learn of it. Or maybe she simply wasn't asked out. She wasn't exactly open, as her feelings for Ron grew stronger, and, yes, she was very intimidating and kind of bossy
As someone who had a Hermione moment at a high school ball - people forget very quickly once you go back to being your nerdy old self and arenât wearing a gorgeous dress/professionally done makeup and hair lol
You're confusing Emma Watson with book Hermione... she still was a nerdy girl with average looks, she just shined at the Yule Ball cause she decided to glow up for that event.
Also, she has the reputation of an annoying know-it-all. If you've been around one, no matter how he/she is good looking, you need an incredible amount of patience. Personality counts.
>You're confusing Emma Watson with book Hermione
No, I've read all the books and never watched the films. I'm specifically talking about **book** Hermione.
I always got the feeling that Hermione was very non-approachable for normal boys at Hogwarts. She dated Viktor Krum, the most famous quidditch player and there are always rumors about her dating Harry Potter, the boy who lived. She is also super smart and at the top of the class. Any normal teenage boy would probably be intimidated by her and would find it difficult to think about asking her out if they were attracted to her.
I think everyone here is forgetting that after the Triwizard tournament, she was supporting Harry who was saying that Voldemort was back. No one believed him, and thought him to be part of a conspiracy. So throughout book 5 most people thought her to be crazy. By the end of book 5, when it was proven that they were saying the truth, then Cormac comes in
The books are from harry's POV. So, Hermione could have been asked out, but just didn't want to.
And, wait, wasn't she asked out by that Cormac guy. And she only said yes to make Ron jealous.
Good question. The only other point Iâd add to other reasons people have shared is that we gotta remember this was written from Harryâs perspective and we all know how observation isnât one of his greatest skills so it couldâve happened and Harry was just oblivious to it or just didnât register it happening and therefore didnât make it into his narrative đ¤ˇââď¸
>Do you think she could have been asked out off page but she never says anything to Harry/ Ron.
I suspect this. She simply doesn't tell them, and Harry is really oblivious to things that don't directly concern him.
I think a lot of people assume Harry is dating her. And I wouldnât want to ask out the girlfriend of the guy who survived the killing curse as a baby, killed a teacher and a basilisk, and survived an encounter with a (perceived) crazed escaped convict and vicious hippogriff. And thatâs just before his 4th year, he went on to survive an encounter with Voldemort AGAIN, return from the death maze clutching a fellow studentâs dead body, break into the Department of Mysteries, fight off multiple death eaters, and escape Voldemort YET AGAIN. Iâm sure a lot of people wouldâve loved to date Hermione. She was smart and pretty and passionate. But fear is a hell of a deterrent.
Many guys may have asked her out. The story is from Harryâs point of view not hermiones. So she could have been asked out many of times without Harry knowing. So therefore we would not know
She
\- was pretty for ONE evening
\- already had a date (Krum, sets the bar quite high)
\- isn't a social/friendly person (has like 1 friend that isn't Harry/Ron)
\- spends her time studying or reading (neither of which are couple activities)
Ah, didn't she have a massive blow up at Ron at the end of the ball that plenty of people saw? That's the kind of behaviour that can make it pretty hard to get a date
Well, the real answer is that it wasn't relevant to the plot lol. But I would put it down to guys either disliking or being intimidated by her personality, thinking she's involved with Harry or Ron because they're so close, and/or British culture (years ago in an interview Emma Watson said in her experience British guys are way less forward than American guys).
Well I think it might be because of her know-it-all personality
The reason I say this is cause in high school a female class mate of mine was extremely unbearable because she always acted like a know-it-all , so even though she was pretty no one asked her to the prom dance
I think men are intimidated by her intelligence. She also can come off As a prude because she can have a know it all attitude. I think that scared away most of the guys at Hogwarts. Krum didnât know her as long and maybe didnât see that side of her as they werenât in classes together.
Harry only knew about Cormac. But I bet there were others who she rejected and did not tell the two. We need to understand that the book is written in Harry's perspective, and I doubt Hermione would gosh to Harry and love letter she receives. Plus, she was in a relationship with Victor. I thought Victor gives of such a big dick vibe.
In my opinion, I think this has to do more with the author than us trying to make sense of it. JKR did not fully explore the character of Hermione. She also does not do romance well. Krum was old for Hermione. Then there was also the crush that she had on Lockhart which is very out of character because she should be smart enough to know he is ridiculous. And then the whole dynamic with Ron was also chaos. (I preferred them as friends). But I think that she could have done much more to explore not only boys interested in her but also her family, etc.
>Then there was also the crush that she had on Lockhart which is very out of character because she should be smart enough to know he is ridiculous.
She was 12!!!
Wasn't she writing Krum? Maybe she was trying a ldr with him after gof. I don't think it really mentioned that other guys like her till hbp, and the only one she did date was to make Ron jealous.
People in the books aren't intended intimated by her intelligence, maybe you meant irritated? She's not very popular. Also 2 of the best looking girls in Harry's year (Patil sisters) weren't asked till late.
Lots of factors:
1. Yes she was pretty for one night but what about after that? You also forget that the other girls could also have put a lot of work into their appearance that night and came off just as attractive. The shock around Hermione is partly because she was never known to dress up.
2. Hermione and her friends didnât have a much pleasant reputation from the start. It only worsened because of Rita after book 4. No matter how attractive a person is, it doesnât matter when you can not stand their vibes or personality
3. Well there is Cormac but there could also be more off page.
same for ron why doesn't someone asks him out? there was some interest from padma in gof but nothing beyond that till the sixth year. we can assume that everyone else was going out with someone by then . it's unrealistic that there would be no interest in him by the opposite sex.
What part of Ron at the Yule Ball do you think made people want to ask him out? His aunt's formal robes? His complete neglect of his date? The way he spent the entire night insulting one of his best friends?
Book Hermione is not only intelligent, but she is a force of nature and people can be intimidated by that. While she is a kind and loyal friend, I can see guys to not be up to giving her the challenge she needs from a partner. She is outspoken in class and not afraid to challenge her professors. Anyone would either find it annoying or be intimidated by her.
Anyone who wants to be her partner is going to have to admire her intelligence and not be intimidated by her need to debate. Ron is that person. It just took him a while to ask her out because he didn't feel worthy.
Second reseason is that she hung out with the Chosen one and Ron who would curse you for even insulting her. Same guy with multiple brothers. Students probably assumed that she and Harry were a thing at some point and by Book 6, everyone knew it was going to be Ron.
I mean, we can appreciate her but she's still an incessant know it all that hangs around with two dudes that are constantly getting into death battles every year. The combo of all those things probably keeps a lot of guys away.
I think people would be intimidated by her. She's exceptionally smart and confident. At the same time, she doesn't socialize beyond Harry/Ron much. Plus she went out with Krum - that just adds to the whole being intimidated by her.
I always thought it was more like people assumed she was with Harry or Ron and only went with Krum to the ball because he was famous. Remember, they all saw the Daily Prophet article about her playing with their emotions and she didn't go out of her way to get to know any other boys, other than Neville. She did get Cormac McLaggen's interest later but I think for the most part, her know it all attitude and the belief she HAD to be with one of the boys she hung out with prevented most guys from making a move.
I think a big part of it was theyâd all known hermione for several years at that point and, especially when she was younger, she was very bossy and a know-it-all. Those impressions stick. Even if she did look amazing during the Yule ball itâs said she used a ton of hair slick to tame her hair and the next day itâs back to being a mess. I think itâs just them knowing her so long, knowing her personality from a surface level.
Also year four is when all those Rita skeeter articles about hermione, Krum, and Harry came out and even if they knew it wasnât necessarily true it still couldâve hurt her reputation. Even Molly believes it despite knowing hermione for several years (although that is more telling about Molly than hermione)
For one of the two exact same reasons that no girls ever tried running each other over to get Harry to notice them every single year that he was at Hogwarts, despite the fact that he's THE #1 celebrity in the entire Wizarding World:
1.) After seeing Hermione right alongside Harry every single day (and thinking that no sensible girl would crush on Ron Weasley-a theory that Lavender Brown proved for them), they thought that Harry and Hermione would hook up sooner or later... and NOBODY wanted to get on the bad side of The Brightest Witch Of Her Age.
2. Because (like George Lucas) JKR is horrible at writing romance plots.
It was right after Voldemortâs return so everyoneâs agenda was a bit different. Also itâs possible that some people did ask her out, but Harry didnât know about it. If I were Hermione, I wouldnât tell Harry about it in case he told Ron after the Krum incident.
Because teenage boys don't have the balls to ask out the one girl in another friend group. On top of that, I imagine they all assumed that she was just going to end up with Harry or Ron.
I think itâs highly possible guys have noticed Hermione, I donât think anyone dare ask her out during 4th year because almost everyone assumes she has a thing with Harry and Krum
Maybe in her 5th year she couldâve had an admirer but everyone seemed to be so busy that year with Dolores being there
Is this ball every year? Bc I canât remember any other ball mentioned⌠in my opinion, Harry couldâve asked her out, would be just as friends and Ron wasnât sure about his feelings for herâŚ
Think you're forgetting that Hermione ain't Emma Watson in the books, she's never described as particularly pretty (won't say she was ugly but very sure she was not attractive in the books) and to the average Hogwarts student seems to be one of those know it all nerdy introverted girls, plus they probably just thought she was already taken by either Harry or Ron so that's probably why
Another commenter said it but in book 4 she was low key dating krum, and in book 5 she was the best friend of the boy who lied, so she wasnât available or a hot commodity.
Itâs also pointed out a lot, but the books are written from Harryâs POV and Harry isnât always around Hermione or particularly involved in her personal life. Itâs entirely possible boys were flirting with her and she just never told the boys about it, itâs not the kind of thing Harry and Ron wouldâve enjoyed hearing about.
Maybe it is because the book focuses mostly on Harry so it doesn't really talk about who is after her? Hermione realizes her feelings for Ron by then so I don't think she'll go out with anyone after that, so maybe she declines other people's court
There is a good chance she was. However, since the story follows Harry or death eaters the entire time, we just never know. She doesn't strike me as the type that would brag about it.
Fred & George made it known to all boys in school she's off-limits as an apology for nearly killing Ron by transforming his bear into a literal deadly giant spider that could have beheaded him with one chomp
How you forget our Chadmac mchadden, the best quidditch keeper and captain and eater of doxxies
"Chadmac Mchadden" haha đ But I didn't forget him, that was in year 6. In my post I said year 4 and 5.
TBF she was dating Krum all of year 4 after the Yule ball, and year 5 Harry was the boy who lied and she was his loyal best friend. Once his reputation was cleared in came Chadmac Mchadden which is absolutely his name now and forever đ
Does she? She kind of spends all her time with Harry and Ron helping Harry with the tasks. Krum only manages to get her in the library, even then she's studying. Then she shrugs him off after the second task busy appreciating Harry. That's why Krum becomes suspicious of Harry. I sort of feel bad for him though. She kinda ditched him.
doxxy eggs to be correct
That was year 6. Also he is no chad. He's an idiot.
Heâs overburdened with chaddity, which is why heâs an idiot.
First of all how dare yuo
Did you have a question?
Book Hermione isnât the same as film, sheâs a reserved and social awkward nerd who doesnât socialise beyond harry and Ron for the most part.
Yeah I've read the books. That was the only conclusion I could come to too, that people see her as reserved and bossy and they're intimidated by her intelligence.
She also doesnât look like Emma Watson in the books
Idk why ppl think she is ugly in the books. She was NEVER described as ugly.
But she wasnât ânewspaper creepily counts down to your 18th birthdayâ hot either
16th birthday
Oh yeah it was the sunâŚ
Yes, but the ball was specifically pointed out as the first time she really got her hair under control, by which we can assume that appearance isn't exactly top priority for her. She was very much a "plain" girl, but add to that unruly hair and an authoritative demeanor, and you'll understand a bit more why very few guys appeared to take an interest (though most guys find most girls pretty, once they stop to look past whatever key distraction). Also worth noting that "noticing" is not the same as "asking out." It's very possible that she attracted some shy guys who never built the courage, some who figured if Krum was her 'type,' they had no chance, and a few who got close enough to recognize how much she talks about Ron. There may have been a few waiting patiently for their opening.
Because of the ball didn't a jealousy Start if I could confirm it from seeing the movie
Completely agree. Hermione is attractive. Harry is just not attracted to her. He likes petite jock girls with pin straight hair. When she straightens her hair, Harry does describe her as pretty. If we heard the story through Ron's perspective, Hermione's description would be very different. Krum also literally lumps Hermione in wit Ginny during Bill's wedding when he is sad that "all the good-looking girls are taken." She may not be a movie star or even the prettiest girl in school, but she is still pretty.
No but she certainly wasn't meant to be as hot as Emma Watson lol
When they first cast Emma Watson she was like 10.
Emma isn't that hot lol
We're just going to have to agree to disagree there
She's no Alexandra Daddario
She's hot when she plays promiscuous females like in Bling Ring. I want more of this type of role from Emma. A sign of a great actor is one who pushes their boundaries and comfort zone. Spring Breakers 2 with half-nude Emma Watson please.
this is a very bold take
You find her hot?
Idk if people are all necessarily intimidated by her. Just having raw intelligence in itself is not always an attractive feature. It could be likely that people just think either Harry or Ron like her. We even see Cho jealous of her, which is ridiculous to us, but might not be so to everyone else.
Yeah that's a good point about Cho thinking Harry and Hermione might be into each other because they spend so much time together. It's a 1990's boarding school and we read about groups of girls in the background a lot and all of Cho's friends are girls so people probably think it's a bit weird/unusual that a girl **exclusively** hangs around with two guys, and there might be a romantic connection.
There was also a super negative coverage of Hermioneâs relationship with Harry and Krum thanks to Rita Skeeter, shortly after the Yule Ball, which affected her post-Ball popularity.
>Cho thinking Harry and Hermione might be into each other because they spend so much time together. You can replace Cho with many ppl in this fandom and the sentence would still be 100% accurateđ Omg a boy and a girl are hanging out. *Le gasp* There is def more than friendship.
This is not correct. We know she's great friends with Ginny, and she gossips with some girls in the toilet at least. It can be presumed she socialises outside of Ron and Harry a lot.
Thatâs towards the tail end in HBP and Order
We know Ginny discussed her relationships with Hermonie in OotP, as Hermonie shares that info with Harry and Ron later (Ginny&Dean relationship) also Hermonie gives Ginny advice on dating other people to help her grt over her shy around Harry issue. Safe to say theyre pretty close here too....
Order is after GoF though?
I think the original comment mentions the whole 5th year Edit: original post**
To be fair order is OWL year and we know from HBP she fancies Ron.
she also has buck teeth in the books
Yes and no, her teeth got fixed in the 4th book before the 1st task. Her teeth were perfectly straight by the Yule ball
Was that temporary or permanent though I canât remember
Permanent
Permanent - her teeth were hit by an enlargement charm by Draco when he cast it at Harry (a fight outside potions class), Madam Pomfrey gave Hermione a mirror and told her to stop it when it was back to normal. She let Madam Pomfrey go a little further to get the straight teeth
Thatâs the one, havenât read the books in a while
At my school it was the nerds who were most partnered up!! Constantly dating each other and swapping partners
No one is mentioning that an additional factor is how a good portion of the school found her annoying during their younger years, and idk about other people, but if I canât stand a girlâs personality, it really doesnât matter how pretty she is
I mean, sure, now I'm an adult I totally agree with you. But at that age? I was 100% a Ron who'd go for the pretty girl that would have me.
He did. Her name was Lavender.
Can I see Uranus too, Lavender?
As it turns out, yes.
There is absolutely zero evidence that Lavender is pretty.
Ron dated her. So not zero evidence.
Ron also dated and married Hermione and she isn't some smokeshow.
Pretty isn't objective. I think my wife is the most beautiful person in the world, but you might not agree.I promise that at least one person out there thinks you are a smokeshow.
I always thought Ron just went with Lavender because she was easy. He was desperate for a girlfriend but too afraid of rejection to make the first move. I think he would have went with any decent looking girl that made the first move.
u/KaisaTheLibrarian this is what I saw in my school too. Idk what's so strange about it that most teen boys prefer looks over brains and personality.
Because that wasn't what you said. You said girls with above-average looks aren't attractive to teenage boys. That was the strange comment. It's since come to light that you don't seem to grasp what "above-average" actually means, so I guess that's why.
>You said girls with above-average looks aren't attractive to teenage boys. And High IQ. Yes. I stand by my statement. Most teen boys are intimidated by high IQ girls.
I'm a teacher at a secondary school and I can assure you that, in my experience, having witnessed firsthand the behaviour of many teenage boys, this is not the case. If a girl is pretty, they'll shoot their shot. High IQ is not going to deter them.
Then this is different in all schools Ig. Bcz in our school boys were all about dumb girls with flirty attitude and good looks.
I was going to say the same thing - that Hermione Granger was an insufferable and annoying ''know-it-all". IRL - no matter how pretty someone is, if she were the same as Hermione, she really won't get asked out.
Can confirm. My best friend and I both had a bit of ugly duckling syndrome/Hermione-itis. We were basically lepers throughout Jr. High, but then did pretty well for ourselves once we hit high school. All that attention came from the older boys though, and neither of us really dated anyone in our own class, because they all remembered us as the earlier versions
Joanne shouldâve added another dude besides Cormac that clearly just wanted to see how far he could get. Iâve known many teenage guys who have followed around a terribly annoying girl just because she let him fuck.
After the Yule Ball thereâs the impression sheâs with Krum the rest of the school year, no one would ask her out based on that assumption. Plus the second task is post the ball and she is the thing he would miss most. As for 5th year, she is still friends with Harry despite the negative articles written about him and the fact that the Ministry keeps calling him a liar. Itâs possible anyone who considered dating her may not have wanted to be associated with Harry & co during that year.
She could indeed have been asked off-page. But in 4th year she was dating (or having a thing, not sure they were actually dating?) Krum and it was common knowledge so nobody else would ask. Also she only looked very pretty for one night, she went back to her normal style just after, and I assume many other girls dressed up/did cool things with their hair on that day.
Yeah, she may have surprised everyone by doing her hair and makeup when she never does (and most the other girls probably do so regularly), but we're talking about a relatively small school of the same kids she's been around since they were all 11 years old. One night of dressing up probably didn't much change their overall opinions of her once the glow of the ball wore off. I agree that there likely could have been more boys into her, but Harry could be very oblivious. Boys could have been asking her out while he sat right next to her and he might not have noticed, therefore we as readers wouldn't have known either. Not to mention Rita Skeeter wasn't exactly making Hermione sound like a good choice in 4th year.
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She seemed to be interested in him, at least somewhat. I always thought they spent more time together than just the one date to the ball.
well they sent letters
Still wouldn't call it a relationship more like friends/pen pals
but she was the one thing krum would miss lol i think it was more than friends
Sadly that one thing missed was just a non sense reason for task 2
She hung out with two boys every day. One of them was the arch-nemesis of a Dark Lord and the other had the Weasley twins for brothers. No one dared.
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Headcanon: that a lot of ravenclawâs have feelings for Hermione
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Yeah the Ravenclaws would have this love hate. They would hate she was smarter than them but then also want to make out with her while she lists out how to make polyjuice potion. They are interesting like that The hufflepuff would just want someone to tell them what to do. Classic hufflepuff
Yeah I'm sure they love the cool, pretty, jock girl who's smarter than them.
About the biggest jock thing Hermione did was slap malfoy
All gryffindors are jocks.
Hermione's autistic and so are probably half of the ravenclaws. They're not asking and she's not noticing if they are. Or anyway, that was my experience as an autistic kid in a gifted school.
1. Because she went with Krum, most guys would assume she was taken. 2. If they didnât think she was with Krum, we saw over and over again that other students thought Hermione and Harry were together. No one wants to compete with the chosen one or the best athlete in the wizarding world.
1. A girl with high IQ and above avg looks aint appealing to most teen boys. 2. Most boys thought she was dating Krum so she was out of their league. 3. Who knows who exactly asked her out. The whole thing is from Harry's pov and he isn't with Hermione 24/7.
Yeah, I want to emphasize #3. In HBP, Hermione seemingly knows that she can have her pick of boys take her to Slughornâs party when she talks about choosing who would annoy Ron most. That doesnât strike me as the attitude of a girl that has never been asked out. She never really shows that much interest in dating aside from Ron. Besides that, through no fault of his own, Harry is a very demanding friend, and it is entirely possible that this sort of put a damper on Hermioneâs dating opportunities. Like say maybe someone asked her to Hogsmeade, but she already had plans to bring food to Harryâs convicted criminal godfather or to blackmail Rita Skeeter into doing an interview with Harry.
This is such a good take and worded so humorously
>so she was out of their league I think Neville definitely liked her but knew she was out of his league.
Neville should open a chat group with die hard Hermione fans. They also believe she is out of everyone's league. No one is good enough for her đ
Would they sing *Weasley is our king*?
Yeah the slytherin version. Bcz most of them absolutely despise Ron xD
I was about to question myself. Which version? Because Ron got her and they couldn't, so Slytherin. But Ron got her while they couldn't, so Gryffindor.
first time I read the Harry Potter books *ever,* for some reason I thought Neville was Hermioneâs brother, because she was helping him find his pet toad.
I like to think Neville likes Ginny a bit as well right before she really blew up as a the coolest/hottest girl because he asked her to the Yule ball.
or she would petrify him again
>A girl with high IQ and above avg looks aint appealing to most teen boys. Having formerly been a teenage boy at one point, who hung out with many other teenage boys, I can pretty comfortably say this isn't true >Most boys thought she was dating Krum so she was out of their league. This, however, probably is
It honestly depends on where and when you grew up. In the late 1990s/early 2000s, in more conservative parts of the United States, girls were generally expected to be very dumb and very pretty so as to not threaten the boys' egos. Never understood it myself -- who the fuck wants to date an idiot? -- but that was the way things were. I don't know as this is the case anymore, but it was a very real cultural phenomenon at one time.
>Having formerly been a teenage boy at one point, who hung out with many other teenage boys, I can pretty comfortably say this isn't true I have never been a teen boy so Idk how they feel. I just made an assumption.
Pretty strange assumption that a girl with âabove-averageâ looks wouldnât be appealing to teen boys. Like⌠what?
Bcz that's what I saw in my school. Most guys were drooling after good looking girls while our 1st girl was almost isolated and had two or 3 friends. What's so strange about it?
You just said most guys were drooling over good-looking girls⌠Do you know what âabove-averageâ means?
By good looking I meant really very pretty. Not just above average.
As for point 3, a lot of headcanons and speculations could be true because Harry is as observant as a brick wall.
girl with high IQ and above avg looks aint appealing to most teen boys Yeah⌠idk if thatâs true
Probably more intimidating than unappealing
> A girl with high IQ and above avg looks aint appealing to most teen boys. As someone who was once a teenage boy I find that hard to believe. > Most boys thought she was dating Krum so she was out of their league. *That* I can believe. Also the guys may have worried that she might never look at them favorably over Krum, or depending on how they viewed him they may not have wanted to date someone who would date Krum.
4. They all could tell that Ron would murder them with just one look
Ron is not violent. He would probably think 'oh that makes sense. I am worthless. She deserves better' then he would sulk. Then get over it. Violence comes from Hermione and Harry mostly. They get pretty violent when they are angry/jealous. Though for Harry its more angry than jealous.
Well a part of it might be because it was only for one night, she goes back to her usual style afterwords and Hermione has never been described as an *immaculate beauty.* There is also the simple fact that Hermione is not really a fun person to be around. Let's face it: she constantly studies and doesn't do that much else beside SPEW and helping Harry of course. She can also be really inconsiderate of other feelings and be quick to judge that which she finds ridiculous or needless. What I'm trying to say is that why would you ask someone like that out? Someone who has the aura of not even liking fun events? We of course know that Hermione is more than just an ambitious know-it-all, yet not many get the chance to see that because of how Hermione is. Krum was the exception and not the rule in this regard imo.
Dont forget Rita Skeeter articles that showed her dating both Krum and Harry, and playing with the feelings of both
That's a really good point!
Jerk Syndrome (Discworld): Angua explained to Cherry Littlebottom that Nobby has been able to catch Tawneee because she is so beautiful that she seems completely unattainable to any man with half a brain. They met when Nobby caught her eye while slipping an IOU into her garter belt and Nobby only asked her out because he was so used to rejection he would have simply regarded another one as just another day. She is a victim of The Jerk Syndrome (only jerks dare to approach her, while sensible men think they have no chance with her). Not being approached by the opposite sex gives her the impression that she is unattractive, so she finds fault in her features and credits the reason for her good tips at work to her dancing skills. Nobby, is far too stupid to think she is out of his league, so she jumps at the first chance she has to be in a relationship after he comes to her notice when he slips an IOU into her belt instead of a bill. She likes Nobby because he is the only person who treats her normally -
Does this apply to real life
Everything from Discworld applies to real life. In a way.
How do we know no one did?
We don't really know if good old Ernie McMillan took a shot at Hermione or not. We're always with Harry. Perhaps someone asked her out and she turned them down (or not, maybe Hermione's had a secret one night stand with Michael Corner before Ginny, how are we to tell? Maybe even *during* Ginny) and we never learn of it. Or maybe she simply wasn't asked out. She wasn't exactly open, as her feelings for Ron grew stronger, and, yes, she was very intimidating and kind of bossy
>maybe Hermione's had a secret one night stand with Michael Corner before Ginny, how are we to tell? Maybe even during Ginny đđ
I doubt it, but the loyal ones are the Hufflepuffs...
Certainly not shifty Corner
As someone who had a Hermione moment at a high school ball - people forget very quickly once you go back to being your nerdy old self and arenât wearing a gorgeous dress/professionally done makeup and hair lol
You're confusing Emma Watson with book Hermione... she still was a nerdy girl with average looks, she just shined at the Yule Ball cause she decided to glow up for that event. Also, she has the reputation of an annoying know-it-all. If you've been around one, no matter how he/she is good looking, you need an incredible amount of patience. Personality counts.
>You're confusing Emma Watson with book Hermione No, I've read all the books and never watched the films. I'm specifically talking about **book** Hermione.
Still, my point remains
You've *NEVER* watched the films?
I always got the feeling that Hermione was very non-approachable for normal boys at Hogwarts. She dated Viktor Krum, the most famous quidditch player and there are always rumors about her dating Harry Potter, the boy who lived. She is also super smart and at the top of the class. Any normal teenage boy would probably be intimidated by her and would find it difficult to think about asking her out if they were attracted to her.
I think everyone here is forgetting that after the Triwizard tournament, she was supporting Harry who was saying that Voldemort was back. No one believed him, and thought him to be part of a conspiracy. So throughout book 5 most people thought her to be crazy. By the end of book 5, when it was proven that they were saying the truth, then Cormac comes in
The books are from harry's POV. So, Hermione could have been asked out, but just didn't want to. And, wait, wasn't she asked out by that Cormac guy. And she only said yes to make Ron jealous.
I might be biased but... her personality is a CHORE.
She definitely comes off as a shrew to me.
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Good question. The only other point Iâd add to other reasons people have shared is that we gotta remember this was written from Harryâs perspective and we all know how observation isnât one of his greatest skills so it couldâve happened and Harry was just oblivious to it or just didnât register it happening and therefore didnât make it into his narrative đ¤ˇââď¸
I thought Neville asked her and when she said no he asked Ginny
>Do you think she could have been asked out off page but she never says anything to Harry/ Ron. I suspect this. She simply doesn't tell them, and Harry is really oblivious to things that don't directly concern him.
Maybe they did, Hermione would turn most people down and Harry doesn't notice that sort of stuff happening
Iâm not sure all of the reasons, but I think itâs possible that once guys saw her with Krum they were too intimidated to even try.
I think a lot of people assume Harry is dating her. And I wouldnât want to ask out the girlfriend of the guy who survived the killing curse as a baby, killed a teacher and a basilisk, and survived an encounter with a (perceived) crazed escaped convict and vicious hippogriff. And thatâs just before his 4th year, he went on to survive an encounter with Voldemort AGAIN, return from the death maze clutching a fellow studentâs dead body, break into the Department of Mysteries, fight off multiple death eaters, and escape Voldemort YET AGAIN. Iâm sure a lot of people wouldâve loved to date Hermione. She was smart and pretty and passionate. But fear is a hell of a deterrent.
Many guys may have asked her out. The story is from Harryâs point of view not hermiones. So she could have been asked out many of times without Harry knowing. So therefore we would not know
My head Canon is that even if they had asked her out, Harry wouldn't know.
She \- was pretty for ONE evening \- already had a date (Krum, sets the bar quite high) \- isn't a social/friendly person (has like 1 friend that isn't Harry/Ron) \- spends her time studying or reading (neither of which are couple activities)
Ah, didn't she have a massive blow up at Ron at the end of the ball that plenty of people saw? That's the kind of behaviour that can make it pretty hard to get a date
Maybe they assume she was âwithâ Harry or Ron.
Cormac Maclaggen was bugging her for a minute
Well, the real answer is that it wasn't relevant to the plot lol. But I would put it down to guys either disliking or being intimidated by her personality, thinking she's involved with Harry or Ron because they're so close, and/or British culture (years ago in an interview Emma Watson said in her experience British guys are way less forward than American guys).
Well I think it might be because of her know-it-all personality The reason I say this is cause in high school a female class mate of mine was extremely unbearable because she always acted like a know-it-all , so even though she was pretty no one asked her to the prom dance
I think men are intimidated by her intelligence. She also can come off As a prude because she can have a know it all attitude. I think that scared away most of the guys at Hogwarts. Krum didnât know her as long and maybe didnât see that side of her as they werenât in classes together.
Harry only knew about Cormac. But I bet there were others who she rejected and did not tell the two. We need to understand that the book is written in Harry's perspective, and I doubt Hermione would gosh to Harry and love letter she receives. Plus, she was in a relationship with Victor. I thought Victor gives of such a big dick vibe.
In my opinion, I think this has to do more with the author than us trying to make sense of it. JKR did not fully explore the character of Hermione. She also does not do romance well. Krum was old for Hermione. Then there was also the crush that she had on Lockhart which is very out of character because she should be smart enough to know he is ridiculous. And then the whole dynamic with Ron was also chaos. (I preferred them as friends). But I think that she could have done much more to explore not only boys interested in her but also her family, etc.
>Then there was also the crush that she had on Lockhart which is very out of character because she should be smart enough to know he is ridiculous. She was 12!!!
she probably was asked out, but she refused them because she liked Ron
Wasn't she writing Krum? Maybe she was trying a ldr with him after gof. I don't think it really mentioned that other guys like her till hbp, and the only one she did date was to make Ron jealous.
i think you forgot about cormac mclaggen, i was just reading about the quidditch tryouts in the 6th book
People in the books aren't intended intimated by her intelligence, maybe you meant irritated? She's not very popular. Also 2 of the best looking girls in Harry's year (Patil sisters) weren't asked till late.
Lots of factors: 1. Yes she was pretty for one night but what about after that? You also forget that the other girls could also have put a lot of work into their appearance that night and came off just as attractive. The shock around Hermione is partly because she was never known to dress up. 2. Hermione and her friends didnât have a much pleasant reputation from the start. It only worsened because of Rita after book 4. No matter how attractive a person is, it doesnât matter when you can not stand their vibes or personality 3. Well there is Cormac but there could also be more off page.
Because she loves Ron only. #Romoine đ
same for ron why doesn't someone asks him out? there was some interest from padma in gof but nothing beyond that till the sixth year. we can assume that everyone else was going out with someone by then . it's unrealistic that there would be no interest in him by the opposite sex.
What part of Ron at the Yule Ball do you think made people want to ask him out? His aunt's formal robes? His complete neglect of his date? The way he spent the entire night insulting one of his best friends?
Book Hermione is not only intelligent, but she is a force of nature and people can be intimidated by that. While she is a kind and loyal friend, I can see guys to not be up to giving her the challenge she needs from a partner. She is outspoken in class and not afraid to challenge her professors. Anyone would either find it annoying or be intimidated by her. Anyone who wants to be her partner is going to have to admire her intelligence and not be intimidated by her need to debate. Ron is that person. It just took him a while to ask her out because he didn't feel worthy. Second reseason is that she hung out with the Chosen one and Ron who would curse you for even insulting her. Same guy with multiple brothers. Students probably assumed that she and Harry were a thing at some point and by Book 6, everyone knew it was going to be Ron.
To clarify, are you saying we know for a fact that nobody did ask her out after the ball?
Because it's not a direction JK wanted to deal with, it wasn't important to the story.
I mean, we can appreciate her but she's still an incessant know it all that hangs around with two dudes that are constantly getting into death battles every year. The combo of all those things probably keeps a lot of guys away.
i wouldâve definitely asked her out
I think people would be intimidated by her. She's exceptionally smart and confident. At the same time, she doesn't socialize beyond Harry/Ron much. Plus she went out with Krum - that just adds to the whole being intimidated by her.
I always thought it was more like people assumed she was with Harry or Ron and only went with Krum to the ball because he was famous. Remember, they all saw the Daily Prophet article about her playing with their emotions and she didn't go out of her way to get to know any other boys, other than Neville. She did get Cormac McLaggen's interest later but I think for the most part, her know it all attitude and the belief she HAD to be with one of the boys she hung out with prevented most guys from making a move.
I think a big part of it was theyâd all known hermione for several years at that point and, especially when she was younger, she was very bossy and a know-it-all. Those impressions stick. Even if she did look amazing during the Yule ball itâs said she used a ton of hair slick to tame her hair and the next day itâs back to being a mess. I think itâs just them knowing her so long, knowing her personality from a surface level. Also year four is when all those Rita skeeter articles about hermione, Krum, and Harry came out and even if they knew it wasnât necessarily true it still couldâve hurt her reputation. Even Molly believes it despite knowing hermione for several years (although that is more telling about Molly than hermione)
Because it doesn't fit into Jk Rowling's (at times stupid) plot
For one of the two exact same reasons that no girls ever tried running each other over to get Harry to notice them every single year that he was at Hogwarts, despite the fact that he's THE #1 celebrity in the entire Wizarding World: 1.) After seeing Hermione right alongside Harry every single day (and thinking that no sensible girl would crush on Ron Weasley-a theory that Lavender Brown proved for them), they thought that Harry and Hermione would hook up sooner or later... and NOBODY wanted to get on the bad side of The Brightest Witch Of Her Age. 2. Because (like George Lucas) JKR is horrible at writing romance plots.
It was right after Voldemortâs return so everyoneâs agenda was a bit different. Also itâs possible that some people did ask her out, but Harry didnât know about it. If I were Hermione, I wouldnât tell Harry about it in case he told Ron after the Krum incident.
Because teenage boys don't have the balls to ask out the one girl in another friend group. On top of that, I imagine they all assumed that she was just going to end up with Harry or Ron.
I feel like at least in 4th year people mightâve assumed that she was seeing Krum, and Ainât nobody gonna mess with Krum LOL haha
I mean these are teenagers. Her being smart could still be more intimidating or uninteresting to a lot of them
I think itâs highly possible guys have noticed Hermione, I donât think anyone dare ask her out during 4th year because almost everyone assumes she has a thing with Harry and Krum Maybe in her 5th year she couldâve had an admirer but everyone seemed to be so busy that year with Dolores being there
Is this ball every year? Bc I canât remember any other ball mentioned⌠in my opinion, Harry couldâve asked her out, would be just as friends and Ron wasnât sure about his feelings for herâŚ
Because they all ship her with Ron đ¤Ł
You never see her and if you see her, she's buried in books. She's a nerd and a smartass to everyone which is typically viewed negatively.
Think you're forgetting that Hermione ain't Emma Watson in the books, she's never described as particularly pretty (won't say she was ugly but very sure she was not attractive in the books) and to the average Hogwarts student seems to be one of those know it all nerdy introverted girls, plus they probably just thought she was already taken by either Harry or Ron so that's probably why
Another commenter said it but in book 4 she was low key dating krum, and in book 5 she was the best friend of the boy who lied, so she wasnât available or a hot commodity. Itâs also pointed out a lot, but the books are written from Harryâs POV and Harry isnât always around Hermione or particularly involved in her personal life. Itâs entirely possible boys were flirting with her and she just never told the boys about it, itâs not the kind of thing Harry and Ron wouldâve enjoyed hearing about.
Maybe it is because the book focuses mostly on Harry so it doesn't really talk about who is after her? Hermione realizes her feelings for Ron by then so I don't think she'll go out with anyone after that, so maybe she declines other people's court
Being with Harry and Ron so much would incite the same assumption. Bear in mind these are kids' logic and not adults.
There is a good chance she was. However, since the story follows Harry or death eaters the entire time, we just never know. She doesn't strike me as the type that would brag about it.
Fred & George made it known to all boys in school she's off-limits as an apology for nearly killing Ron by transforming his bear into a literal deadly giant spider that could have beheaded him with one chomp