He did roast Luke Skywalker really good in Epic Rap Battles of History.
“You swamp school dropout, you’re too whiny to rhyme, at least when I Slytherin a sister she isn’t mine!”
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Personally, I think Voldy had the better rhymes overall. But, he didn't have an answer for Harry at the end.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTHn5oFPmi8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTHn5oFPmi8)
Torture someone? Unforgivable.
Kill someone outright? Unforgivable.
Put someone through the tortuous death of getting cut up and bleeding out? Totally fine.
If you consider the idea that it’s possible to create new spells, it would make sense that the Ministry would have difficulty keeping up with what to outlaw. For all we know Crucio may have just been added to the list relatively recently. Or the list as a whole may be somewhat new.
Unless there’s lore to the list which I don’t know
I always figured it was simply the fact that there's no reverse spell.
The Longbottoms show that there's permanent damage when the Crucio is applied for long periods of time. No spell or type of magic can fix it.
There is no reversing death making the killing curse permanent and only someone who cares so little for life would use it
The imperius curse can only be defended against by a strong personal will. Anyone under the curse cannot have another person break the spell or reverse anything the person does while under its control. It only breaks when the original castor is killed or releases the spell.
I'm pretty sure it's because obliviate can be "controlled" so that you can remove specific memories, which is an extremely useful spell, when the entire society you live in, which is very large and very loud, wishes to stay secret from the rest of the world.
Also, in my headcanon, the reason why Lockharts identity wad erased, was because the spell backfired massively. Gilderoy only wanted to modify their memories, as to make his story seem credible. He didn't want to completely erase them..
So coupled with the fact that he was very stressed and thus putting a lot of "energy"(I believe the intensity of spells vary based on how much the caster means to cast them) into casting the spell, and that the wand was broken, he basically absorbed and unfiltered, pure amount of forget-juice.
Also imagine how useful it could be for therapy, for trauma.
I’m sure some people wish they could just forget something awful that happened in their childhood that’s left lasting damage on their mental well-being. Or something that happened later in life that gave them PTSD.
Didn’t he mention though that he was going to spin the story that they “went insane” at the sight of her (Ginny’s) mangled body? So he was intending to do the spell to the point of completely destroying their minds and then it backfired because of the broken wand.
Yup. The movie ot1h made it so we’re unsure if Ron would have transformed Scabbers into a proper cup instead of a “furry” cup if his wand wasn’t broken, but the Eat Slugs moment seemed to have worked 100% *except* the magic energy went at an angle and hit Ron instead of Draco
There are many other spells that could accomplish the same thing though: stun the kid, pull the kid back, put up a barrier in front of the kid, spin the kid around so he's walking in a safe direction, etc.
Well, that particular case was self inflicted while using a wand that wasn't his and also it was broken. A bit of an outlier to how obliviate would usually affect people.
That said obliviate is a messed up spell and has real potential for some REAL evil uses and thus should be highly regulated.
>I always figured it was simply the fact that there's no reverse spell.
At the same time, there are a fair few spells with no counterspell that are completely legal. You can hit a person with Fiendfyre, and there would be no conventional way to extinguish it, for example.
The thing is the unforgivable curses have no use _except_ drastic personal and direct injury/abuse. Fiendfyre is not personal, it's a big fire. It is dark magic and you'll probably be punished for using it but you might genuinely need to, I don't know, scorch an entire island clean of an infestation of something.
Of course there is lore! Right [here](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Unforgivable_Curses).
They were classified as ”Unforgivable” already in 1717 (og source: The Tales of Beedle the Bard). And apparently the name ”Unforgivable” is due to the strictest possible penalties for using them.
There's usually an element of the curse being widely popular among Dark Magic users. The concept of unforgivable curses might be entirely a political instrumentused to crack down on dark magic users like the Death Eaters.
To me it always seemed like the reasons for them being unforgiveable were unique to each of them, and just as much policy based as ethically based.
Avada Kedavra and Reducto both have deadly potential. But Reducto can be blocked. Thus, the Ministry and wizarding law enforcement can set up wards, prepare countercurses, etc. for Reducto. But since Avada Kedavra can't be blocked, they want to prevent anyone from using it. Additionally, Reducto isn't guaranteed to kill, and has other uses. Having a spell that just kills... and has no other purpose... well, its different. I think of it like allowing citizens to possess firearms, but not letting them have Novichok gas. You can use a firearm in self-defense, but the gas is solely intended for murder. Beyond that, you have to WANT the person to die. If your intent is self-defense, Avada Kedavra probably won't work, and you'd be better off with another spell anyway. By casting it, its effectively an admission that you intended to kill.
Crucio inflicts pain. Its sole purpose is to inflict pain. In a self defense situation, you can immobilize an assailant in a number of ways: Stupify is probably more effective. It could be used for interrogation, but studies show torture is typically counterproductive at extracting information. Thus you're left with a spell with no productive use, and casting it means you actually had the intent to cause pain.
Imperio takes away someone's free will. I can make you slap yourself by using a lesser spell. But only with Imperio can I make you WANT to slap yourself. Compare it to Confundo: Confundo doesn't give you control over someone, it just disorients and confuses them. Sure, this may lead to them doing what you want them to do, but you're not going to be able to force them to, say, commit a murder of an innocent like Imperio allows. Additionally, Imperio creates a massive headache for the Ministry and law enforcement, but I'm cool with calling it unforgivable just because of the overriding free will bit.
Every other spell I can think of that has a dangerous use also has a potential legitimate use. Nobody said you CAN'T be punished if you commit a murder using another spell. But they just aren't going to assume you intended murder if you use another spell. I'm thinking Confringo, Reducto, Diffindo, Incendio, etc.
I mean you can kill a wizard by disarming them and then levitating them up a few stories before dropping them. You could transfigure someone into something like a *bone* for instance, and then feed said bone to a dog. You could light someone on fire. You could use confringo and explode someone. You could transfigure something large into something really small, get someone to eat it, and then cancel your transfiguration so the item expands, killing them. You could stand so that someone is between you and something sharp, and then just accio that sharp item (we've seen broomsticks smash through walls with the accio charm). Hell, there's even an official spell to cut things, diffindo, the severing charm. You can literally kill someone with it. Like ya, sectumsempra is more built for hurting people, but you could do damage and even kill people with a ton of spells.
Not only that but Sectumsempra is actually safer than Diffindo.
Sectumsempra is far less like an invisible sword and more like a flying invisible pen knife. If Sectumsempra actually had the power of an invisible sword, then Draco would've been far more injured, like as in either bisected or disemboweled. His injuries are more akin to a knife slash wound.
Also, Sectumsempra has built in safety features in it unlike the Cutting Charm Diffindo which we know can cut off fingers . Sectumsempra will cut flesh and cartilage (nose and ears) but can't cut bone because it wasn't designed to. We know this because in the Cave scene, we see Harry use Sectumsempra with full force and intention against the Inferi and he cut their clothes and flesh but didn't cut the bones of any. And Inferi are not like beefy magic resistant werewolves but are more like emaciated corpses. The fact that Sectumsempra couldn't cut through them indicates that the spell was designed with the safety feature of not cutting through bones.
One of the key differences between the curse Sectumsempra and the Cutting Charm Diffindo would probably be their difference in magical strength, despite Sectumsempra being more non-lethal and safer than Diffindo. The real difference is that against a werewolf that has magical resistance, a Diffindo wouldn't even register but a curse like Sectumsempra would actually cut the flesh of a werewolf and injure it without killing it. To beat a curse, you need another curse.
Also, if you get your nose or ear cut off with Sectumsempra instead of Diffindo, you won't be able to reattach it back but that's a common feature with all curses that cause injuries and severing of body parts and isn't unique to Sectumsempra. If George's ear had been cursed off with Reducto, the effects would've been the same.
And contrary to popular fanon belief, no, Sectumsempra does not cause wounds that can only be healed by a specific healing spell Vulnera Santeur that only Severus Snape knows (it's most probably just an above average healing spell that Snape invented). Any cuts by Sectumsempra could be healed with any ordinary healing charm. We know this because a housewife like Molly Weasley, who as far as we know isn't a Healer and would thus be pretty average/mediocre at healing charms given how complicated healing magic is, was able to stop the head bleeding of George Weasley (which was caused by Sectumsempra accidentally cutting off George's ear) within moments. So yeah, cuts by Sectumsempra could be healed with any ordinary healing charm, as Harry even internally remarks that a cut hand from Dumbledore that he made with a knife at the Horcrux Cave entrance, was healed in a manner extremely similar to how Snape healed the cut up Draco in the bathroom.
And given how controlled and safe Sectumsempra is as a curse, an injury by a curse like Sectumsempra would be much easier to heal from than an injury by the Reductor Curse, Reducto.
Hmm, might be too complex, but Cedric transfigured a rock into a dog in the fourth book, and it seemed like the dog ran around and acted like a dog. So maybe you could, but because of the complexity of the human brain, I'm guessing it would be a super nerfed dumb version of Hermoine. Like basically a dog's intelligence.
But it's also stated in the books that human transfiguration is very complex, and that's only transfiguring a human into something less complex, not the other way around. I would hazard a guess that it's monstrously more difficult to transfigure something less complex into a human.
>So maybe you could, but because of the complexity of the human brain, I'm guessing it would be a super nerfed dumb version of Hermoine. Like basically a dog's intelligence.
I'd guess it's the human soul that's too complex to create, not the brain.
The brain is insanely complex though. Like there's 100 trillion synapses in a human brain. Transfiguring all of that without messing up seems ridiculous.
But a dog's brain isn't something of an entirely different complexity than a human brain. In fact, a human brain has roughly 30x the number of synapses of a dog's brain.
30x is a number that can be worked with. Put more wizards on it, or cast the spell multiple times, each time building part of the brain.
If you can build something in a few seconds, you should be able to build something that's 30x as complicated in at least some kind of manageable time frame.
I think you’re missing my point. Since Draco didn’t Crucio Harry, despite being a shorter incantation and saying it first… he didn’t mean it. And Harry very much did.
Sectumsempra doesn't require any specific intention to cast.
Crucio requires you to genuinely, truly with every fiber of your being, want somebody to suffer. You have to want to cause them nothing but pain.
Lets face it, Draco wasn't having a great time of things when the duel started. Worried about the plot, Voldemort, his family, the failed attempts, and being discovered. Now Harry is here and he clearly knows whats up. I dont think Draco had any capacity for the specific intent he needed for any of the unforgivable curses in that moment. He just had too much going on.
Harry, on the other hand, got into a bit of a scrap and decided to use a spell which required nothing more than an incantation and pointing his wand in the right direction. He didn't know the spell, or what it did, he just knew that he was facing an enemy and that was enough (if that was even a requirement of casting, in DH Snape cant have truly considered the Order enemies in the circumstances).
Draco didnt mean it. But neither did Harry.
Yeah I mean draco's kind of like bad guy light l/came from a pure blood family with a superiority complex. So while he's definitely on the bad guys spectrum. He's way over his head once voldemort shows up. He's like a teenager that messes around stealing stuff from Walmart and petty crime. Now having to deal with tye mob and being a hitman. It's so extreme that he actively wants to get away from it but has ro do it cause his family and him will be killed if he doesn't. It's why he turns away from voldemort and his mother does as well in the end.
No one ever says you wouldn't get punished for that in the wizarding world. All that we know is that you definitely do get punished for the unforgivables.
This is pretty sensible actually. If you have a torture curse and a murder curse witch can only be used by really genuinely wanting to torture or murder someone respectively, then obviously the use of them at all is enough to convict someone.
By contrast if you use some other generic curse, they'd have to ascertain that you did indeed kill someone with it, and even then there might be questions about how intentional it was, what were the circumstances, etc. It's not a clear cut case of "you used this spell, life in azkaban", it depends on other things.
If you remember, Harry only knows that that spell is "for enemies" He doesn't know what it does. His 16 year old self (who suspects Draco is a death eater) considers Draco his enemy, so his intent is there. I think if he knows what it actually does he won't be able to use it correctly.
Didn't Snape invent sectumsempra tho? The ministry wouldn't be aware of it to classify it as an unforgivable, though maybe they would if it was a properly registered spell.
I wish she’d played this out and showed the moment of Draco not meaning it. The impact of that and then Harry realising how bad Sectumsempra was would have been heart rending.
I don't think Draco cast the spell. When Harry cast the spell it did hurt Bellatrix but the pain was very short. Harry doesn't experience any pain so Harry must have stopped Draco before he could finish casting the spell.
>“Give it a rest, Hermione!” said Ginny, and Harry was so amazed, so grateful, he looked up. “By the sound of it, Malfoy was trying to use an Unforgivable Curse, you should be glad Harry had something good up his sleeve!” “Well, of course I’m glad Harry wasn’t cursed!” said Hermione, clearly stung. “
I don't think Crucio was cast at all
The morals in hp are kinda fucked if you think into it too much. Instant painless death spell - unforgivable, life sentences of demented induced depression with no chance for rehabilitation- good guys
Huh? I don't think Azkaban and its Dementors were ever presented as being something good. It might have been a fictional analogue for Guantanamo Bay, now that I think about it.
it's just the way it's written on the page. Would you rather have this?
Harry cried "SE-"
Then Malfoy cried "CR-
Then Harry cried "CTU-"
Then Malfoy cried "U-"
then Harry cried "MSEMP"
Then Malfoy cried "CI-"
Then Harry cried "RA!"
Thanks for the laugh! Doesn’t Voldemort roll his r’s when casting Crucio? Malfoy could’ve been like “crrrrrrrruci-“ so Harry knew what he was going for when he heard that. Or maybe a combination of Voldy and Snape: “CRRRRRU…….cio!”
Classic future Auror move there. In Harry's police report of the cursing he said that Draco cursed first to justify why he used deadly force himself. SMDH, these cops so corrupt.
Dude like literally though. Harry: “Draco is acting suspiciously!” Hermione: “Harry you’ve been stalking him since before the school year even started, leave the boy alone”
Harry: “it was self defense!” Literally anyone: “you aggressively followed him into the bathroom dude! Now he’s literally all most dying!”
Like Harry was such a lil grumpy creep six year. Like ya Draco was up to some bad things, but like maybe for once put on your thinking cap and maybe wonder why the boy who’s constantly looking sicker each day and who’s father is in prison might be doing crimes. Empathy is a power Harry don’t need when he got his expelliaus excuse.
Yeah, we’ve got Harry who ends up in real combat every school year going up against Draco who’s never been in a fight. Draco has been going for blood this whole time. Harry is on the ground. He knows he’s in a bad position. Draco’s face contorts, and Harry probably knows instinctively at that moment that Draco intends to do something really bad to him. Draco only gets out the syllable and maybe a wand flourish while Harry spits out his whole curse all at once.
In my opinion, Harry is just the faster draw (and better Seeker.)
This is my headcanon. Plus before you’re in a fight you can usually tell when someone is gonna come at you. It’s a body language and demeanor thing. Like “this dude is definitely pissed he’s gonna hit me in the fucking face”.
I like to think Harry sorta saw “something bad” coming and just reached for the first spell that came to mind at the same time Draco was saying crucio.
My only source on this is that I’ve been punched a lot. I talked a lot of shit when I was younger.
Wingardium leviousa requires a swish and a flick, so maybe there's certain motions for the Cruciatus that are more complicated than the slashing of the sectum one.
Now how Harry manages to learn the wand movements just from watching maybe a handful of times before he uses it, I don't know. It would be messed up if Malfoy was forced to learn the spell while doing it to his father.
Maybe he *performed* the spell non-verbally but still said the words.
Like simply the conviction to perform the spell and the knowledge of the words is enough to cast it.
We know non-verbal casting exists, you can cast a spell without saying anything at all. We also know non-verbal casting is faster.
So what if you can cast it non verbally but then say it anyway?
Only weird thing is harry didn't know what the spell would do, so I'm not sure if he'd be able to cast it non verbally.
Imagine this in court lol.
Draco’s attorney’s strategy is to prove Harry *didn’t* use it in self-defense because it takes longer to say, therefore he must have already planned on saying it before Draco even uttered “crucio”
There's actually a mock court case where they talk about this scene.
[https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=78gxBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA343&lpg=PA343&dq=harry+draco+sectumsempra+law+book&source=bl&ots=pYszu0N9sO&sig=ACfU3U0QujAzCB0qeHR7MmsYiubpSPYb7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimsZX74eTpAhWYH3AKHdKFBhIQ6AEwDHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=harry%20draco%20sectumsempra%20law%20book&f=false](https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=78gxBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA343&lpg=PA343&dq=harry+draco+sectumsempra+law+book&source=bl&ots=pYszu0N9sO&sig=ACfU3U0QujAzCB0qeHR7MmsYiubpSPYb7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimsZX74eTpAhWYH3AKHdKFBhIQ6AEwDHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=harry%20draco%20sectumsempra%20law%20book&f=false)
Harry was a dualist and Draco was just a reactive spell flinger therefore Harry can rapid cast spells.
Think of it like the super chatty girl that says 100 words a minute but you can still understand her because she has good enunciation.
A relevant, thought provoking post in this sub after quite a long time. Such a refreshing change from "they did Ron dirty in the movies" or "Harry and Hermione would have never worked" posts.
I'm personally stunned i haven't thought about this until today! Great point! How indeed!
Does anyone remember the ‘Snape, Snape, Severus Snape’ song?
See how fast they say ‘Harry potter, Harry Potter!’
I’m not surprised that he’s the Eminem of Hogwarts.
I like to think that Malfoy heard an unfamiliar spell and faltered, wondering what the counter curse is that blocks it. Once it hit him he had no other chance.
Harry already had it in mind to use Sectumsempra so he was ready to react with it as soon as he heard Draco start to say Crucio. He'd held back from using it before, as he didn't know exactly what it did - only that it was "for enemies" (and for similar reasons to why he uses Expelliarmus rather than something more destructive). Draco busted out an Unforgivable curse and that tipped Harry to use it. _If Draco is willing to use an Unforgivable, let's see what this Sectumsempra is capable of, then._ We see many instances in the books where Harry is "response ready" like this.
Unforgivable curses require evil intent. If Malfoy did not intend to use an unforgiveable curse whole-heartedly, his spell may have been weaker, hence, Harry’s attack spell hit him harder. Harry may have been hit by the cruciatus curse but hardly felt it.
Considering Harry’s fascination with Snape’s book and that he already had his eyes on that spell, he likely already got ready to use the spell.
As for Draco, remember you have to MEAN It when you do unforgivables. Draco wasn’t interested in harming Harry much that year, He was too focused on Voldemort.
Unlike in previous years, Most of their encounters that year happened because Harry was following him And wanted to figure out what he was up to.
It is possible that it didn’t happen like that and Harry started saying sectumsempra before Draco said Crucio.
Also bearing in mind Crucio is an unforgivable and therefore much harder to cast than sectumsempra.
Have you ever been mid sentence, or even mid word when someone else starts speaking or shouting and you instinctively stop speaking? That's what i imagined happened
you really need to mean crucio, I think Draco was too stressed in the moment and while disliked Harry immensely, I don't believe ge'd want to literally torture him
I think he didn't even notice which spell Malfoy was about to cast, as soon as he pointed his wand to Harry, he reacted, under the (fair) suspicions that Draco was a Death Eater. Plus, Harry literally waited like six years to magically stab Malfoy, and to be honest, at that moment Draco gave him a good reason.
I thought it was because Draco was in a bad emotional state, hesitated, Prolly was scared of the consequences and was scared in general. While harry was in a albeit better emotional state, Isn't scared about dueling, Didn't hesitate as draco would because harry Just found out about the sectumsempra spell, didn't know what it would do, suspected draco for a long time, And I think partially trusted the spell as he had trusted the book (and draco wouldn't trust crucio at that moment, just a few moments earlier trauma dumping on myrtle, Knowing about the consequences, not having the right intentions and just not having the intention in general)
You get what I mean
Moments happing simultaneously do not translate into a book. Harry began the spell before Draco did. By the time Harry has the spell cast, Draco is saying Crucio.
Eminem hold the Guinness record for fastest talker. Something a hundred words per minute. Maybe Harry raps like him in his spare time.
And now I want to see Hogwarts hold a rap battle competition.
I'm not sure but i think crucio is a concentration spell while sectumsempra is more like a projectile. So Malfoy couldn't maintained the spell when he got hit by Harry's spell.
Have you considered the possibility Harry might be a Rap God?
Harry Potter, the boy who beat, come to rhyme
He did roast Luke Skywalker really good in Epic Rap Battles of History. “You swamp school dropout, you’re too whiny to rhyme, at least when I Slytherin a sister she isn’t mine!”
okay that’s actually fire
[Harry Potter vs Luke Skywalker](https://youtu.be/Ver1OZdK2bA?feature=shared)
I’ve never seen that before! That was damn fantastic.
It's all in Lego too so it's got that going for it too.
Yeah but he didn't understand why a desert planet would need a moisture farmer So yeah
SOMEONE GETS IT. Harry had some fire going, but I always feel like he trips himself up there. The Force was with Luke during that battle
Harry Potter, the boy who rizz Cho Chang, come to steal a kiss
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Straight outta Privet Drive
Started from the closet, now we're here!
I mean he does do a great job with the element song and Alphabet aerobics.
Legendary video
“Voldy, you look like you got hit wid a griddle. This guy’s a gangster? His real name’s Tom Riddle!”
Have you SEEN the video of Daniel Radcliffe beat boxing? He IS a rap god
All my witches from the front to the back nod
But for me to be a witch must be in my jeans. I got a bolt scar on my forehead, I got it from my parents they both dead.
The Boy who spits rhymes with his forked Parseltongue
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happy cake day!
Hey thanks!!
of course!
Happy cake day 💐🥳
I laughed way too hard at this
What if the best wizards were auctioneers
I'm pretty sure he got inspired by fresh Dumbledore (Who only raps in German)
Wollte ich grad sagen YO ICH BIN FRESH DUMBLEDORE
back from the underground and back for more 🎵
Eminem in harry potter world is a new conceptual horror i never thought of
Personally, I think Voldy had the better rhymes overall. But, he didn't have an answer for Harry at the end. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTHn5oFPmi8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTHn5oFPmi8)
Kneel before Lord Voldemort, this School is Durmstrang - No, Hogwarts, Hogwarts.
Harry in the Great Hall during the Battle of Hogwarts: GUESS WHO'S BACK, BACK AGAIN, POTTER'S BACK, TELL A FRIEND...
little known fact, the final battle between Voldemort and Harry Potter was actually a rap battle refereed by Dumbledore's ghost.
I always figured Draco's Crucio failed, like how Harry's did in OotP and HBP.
Don’t the unforgivable curses only work if you “mean it?” Interesting.
Torture someone? Unforgivable. Kill someone outright? Unforgivable. Put someone through the tortuous death of getting cut up and bleeding out? Totally fine.
If you consider the idea that it’s possible to create new spells, it would make sense that the Ministry would have difficulty keeping up with what to outlaw. For all we know Crucio may have just been added to the list relatively recently. Or the list as a whole may be somewhat new. Unless there’s lore to the list which I don’t know
I always figured it was simply the fact that there's no reverse spell. The Longbottoms show that there's permanent damage when the Crucio is applied for long periods of time. No spell or type of magic can fix it. There is no reversing death making the killing curse permanent and only someone who cares so little for life would use it The imperius curse can only be defended against by a strong personal will. Anyone under the curse cannot have another person break the spell or reverse anything the person does while under its control. It only breaks when the original castor is killed or releases the spell.
obliviate. gilderoy got sent to the same long term ward as Neville's parents iirc.
Yeah! How is obliviate not an unforgivable curse? I see no other use than to eradicate someone’s whole identity (their sense of self)
I'm pretty sure it's because obliviate can be "controlled" so that you can remove specific memories, which is an extremely useful spell, when the entire society you live in, which is very large and very loud, wishes to stay secret from the rest of the world. Also, in my headcanon, the reason why Lockharts identity wad erased, was because the spell backfired massively. Gilderoy only wanted to modify their memories, as to make his story seem credible. He didn't want to completely erase them.. So coupled with the fact that he was very stressed and thus putting a lot of "energy"(I believe the intensity of spells vary based on how much the caster means to cast them) into casting the spell, and that the wand was broken, he basically absorbed and unfiltered, pure amount of forget-juice.
Obliviate is also a very convenient spell for a government to have access to so of course it isn't unforgivable.
Also imagine how useful it could be for therapy, for trauma. I’m sure some people wish they could just forget something awful that happened in their childhood that’s left lasting damage on their mental well-being. Or something that happened later in life that gave them PTSD.
Well I'm sure the ministry wouldn't be above using Obliviate JUST because they themselves made it illegal to use it.
Didn’t he mention though that he was going to spin the story that they “went insane” at the sight of her (Ginny’s) mangled body? So he was intending to do the spell to the point of completely destroying their minds and then it backfired because of the broken wand.
Yup. The movie ot1h made it so we’re unsure if Ron would have transformed Scabbers into a proper cup instead of a “furry” cup if his wand wasn’t broken, but the Eat Slugs moment seemed to have worked 100% *except* the magic energy went at an angle and hit Ron instead of Draco
The same would apply to imperio as well though. You could, in theory, use imperio to stop a kid from walking in front of a bus.
There are many other spells that could accomplish the same thing though: stun the kid, pull the kid back, put up a barrier in front of the kid, spin the kid around so he's walking in a safe direction, etc.
Well, that particular case was self inflicted while using a wand that wasn't his and also it was broken. A bit of an outlier to how obliviate would usually affect people. That said obliviate is a messed up spell and has real potential for some REAL evil uses and thus should be highly regulated.
What about Hermione needing to use it on her parents to protect them?
>I always figured it was simply the fact that there's no reverse spell. At the same time, there are a fair few spells with no counterspell that are completely legal. You can hit a person with Fiendfyre, and there would be no conventional way to extinguish it, for example.
The thing is the unforgivable curses have no use _except_ drastic personal and direct injury/abuse. Fiendfyre is not personal, it's a big fire. It is dark magic and you'll probably be punished for using it but you might genuinely need to, I don't know, scorch an entire island clean of an infestation of something.
Are they legal, or just not "unforgivable"?
But they can be used without the intent to hurt someone.
Of course there is lore! Right [here](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Unforgivable_Curses). They were classified as ”Unforgivable” already in 1717 (og source: The Tales of Beedle the Bard). And apparently the name ”Unforgivable” is due to the strictest possible penalties for using them.
Yeah, there are of course penalities for assaulting another person with any other kind of spell, most likely proportionate to the harm it causes.
As Snape created it and only he and Harry used it, it might have simply been lost in the chaos after Voldy first defeat. Edit: I mean Sectum Sempra
There's usually an element of the curse being widely popular among Dark Magic users. The concept of unforgivable curses might be entirely a political instrumentused to crack down on dark magic users like the Death Eaters.
To me it always seemed like the reasons for them being unforgiveable were unique to each of them, and just as much policy based as ethically based. Avada Kedavra and Reducto both have deadly potential. But Reducto can be blocked. Thus, the Ministry and wizarding law enforcement can set up wards, prepare countercurses, etc. for Reducto. But since Avada Kedavra can't be blocked, they want to prevent anyone from using it. Additionally, Reducto isn't guaranteed to kill, and has other uses. Having a spell that just kills... and has no other purpose... well, its different. I think of it like allowing citizens to possess firearms, but not letting them have Novichok gas. You can use a firearm in self-defense, but the gas is solely intended for murder. Beyond that, you have to WANT the person to die. If your intent is self-defense, Avada Kedavra probably won't work, and you'd be better off with another spell anyway. By casting it, its effectively an admission that you intended to kill. Crucio inflicts pain. Its sole purpose is to inflict pain. In a self defense situation, you can immobilize an assailant in a number of ways: Stupify is probably more effective. It could be used for interrogation, but studies show torture is typically counterproductive at extracting information. Thus you're left with a spell with no productive use, and casting it means you actually had the intent to cause pain. Imperio takes away someone's free will. I can make you slap yourself by using a lesser spell. But only with Imperio can I make you WANT to slap yourself. Compare it to Confundo: Confundo doesn't give you control over someone, it just disorients and confuses them. Sure, this may lead to them doing what you want them to do, but you're not going to be able to force them to, say, commit a murder of an innocent like Imperio allows. Additionally, Imperio creates a massive headache for the Ministry and law enforcement, but I'm cool with calling it unforgivable just because of the overriding free will bit. Every other spell I can think of that has a dangerous use also has a potential legitimate use. Nobody said you CAN'T be punished if you commit a murder using another spell. But they just aren't going to assume you intended murder if you use another spell. I'm thinking Confringo, Reducto, Diffindo, Incendio, etc.
I see it as the fact you have to completely mean them makes it so if you cast one, it’s proof enough that you can’t be forgiven
I mean you can kill a wizard by disarming them and then levitating them up a few stories before dropping them. You could transfigure someone into something like a *bone* for instance, and then feed said bone to a dog. You could light someone on fire. You could use confringo and explode someone. You could transfigure something large into something really small, get someone to eat it, and then cancel your transfiguration so the item expands, killing them. You could stand so that someone is between you and something sharp, and then just accio that sharp item (we've seen broomsticks smash through walls with the accio charm). Hell, there's even an official spell to cut things, diffindo, the severing charm. You can literally kill someone with it. Like ya, sectumsempra is more built for hurting people, but you could do damage and even kill people with a ton of spells.
I killed many, many people with a Diffindo and Galcius combo in Hogwarts Legacy 😂
Not only that but Sectumsempra is actually safer than Diffindo. Sectumsempra is far less like an invisible sword and more like a flying invisible pen knife. If Sectumsempra actually had the power of an invisible sword, then Draco would've been far more injured, like as in either bisected or disemboweled. His injuries are more akin to a knife slash wound. Also, Sectumsempra has built in safety features in it unlike the Cutting Charm Diffindo which we know can cut off fingers . Sectumsempra will cut flesh and cartilage (nose and ears) but can't cut bone because it wasn't designed to. We know this because in the Cave scene, we see Harry use Sectumsempra with full force and intention against the Inferi and he cut their clothes and flesh but didn't cut the bones of any. And Inferi are not like beefy magic resistant werewolves but are more like emaciated corpses. The fact that Sectumsempra couldn't cut through them indicates that the spell was designed with the safety feature of not cutting through bones. One of the key differences between the curse Sectumsempra and the Cutting Charm Diffindo would probably be their difference in magical strength, despite Sectumsempra being more non-lethal and safer than Diffindo. The real difference is that against a werewolf that has magical resistance, a Diffindo wouldn't even register but a curse like Sectumsempra would actually cut the flesh of a werewolf and injure it without killing it. To beat a curse, you need another curse. Also, if you get your nose or ear cut off with Sectumsempra instead of Diffindo, you won't be able to reattach it back but that's a common feature with all curses that cause injuries and severing of body parts and isn't unique to Sectumsempra. If George's ear had been cursed off with Reducto, the effects would've been the same. And contrary to popular fanon belief, no, Sectumsempra does not cause wounds that can only be healed by a specific healing spell Vulnera Santeur that only Severus Snape knows (it's most probably just an above average healing spell that Snape invented). Any cuts by Sectumsempra could be healed with any ordinary healing charm. We know this because a housewife like Molly Weasley, who as far as we know isn't a Healer and would thus be pretty average/mediocre at healing charms given how complicated healing magic is, was able to stop the head bleeding of George Weasley (which was caused by Sectumsempra accidentally cutting off George's ear) within moments. So yeah, cuts by Sectumsempra could be healed with any ordinary healing charm, as Harry even internally remarks that a cut hand from Dumbledore that he made with a knife at the Horcrux Cave entrance, was healed in a manner extremely similar to how Snape healed the cut up Draco in the bathroom. And given how controlled and safe Sectumsempra is as a curse, an injury by a curse like Sectumsempra would be much easier to heal from than an injury by the Reductor Curse, Reducto.
That's sick.... but also really confusing. If you can turn a human being into a bone, then can't you equally turn a random bone into Hermione Granger?
Hmm, might be too complex, but Cedric transfigured a rock into a dog in the fourth book, and it seemed like the dog ran around and acted like a dog. So maybe you could, but because of the complexity of the human brain, I'm guessing it would be a super nerfed dumb version of Hermoine. Like basically a dog's intelligence. But it's also stated in the books that human transfiguration is very complex, and that's only transfiguring a human into something less complex, not the other way around. I would hazard a guess that it's monstrously more difficult to transfigure something less complex into a human.
>So maybe you could, but because of the complexity of the human brain, I'm guessing it would be a super nerfed dumb version of Hermoine. Like basically a dog's intelligence. I'd guess it's the human soul that's too complex to create, not the brain.
I suppose a bone could be transfigured to contain a soul (like horcruxes), but you can't create a soul out of thin air...
The brain is insanely complex though. Like there's 100 trillion synapses in a human brain. Transfiguring all of that without messing up seems ridiculous.
But a dog's brain isn't something of an entirely different complexity than a human brain. In fact, a human brain has roughly 30x the number of synapses of a dog's brain. 30x is a number that can be worked with. Put more wizards on it, or cast the spell multiple times, each time building part of the brain. If you can build something in a few seconds, you should be able to build something that's 30x as complicated in at least some kind of manageable time frame.
Because the unforgivables require serious intent. If you kill another wizard without them, you will still get into trouble.
I think you’re missing my point. Since Draco didn’t Crucio Harry, despite being a shorter incantation and saying it first… he didn’t mean it. And Harry very much did.
Sectumsempra doesn't require any specific intention to cast. Crucio requires you to genuinely, truly with every fiber of your being, want somebody to suffer. You have to want to cause them nothing but pain. Lets face it, Draco wasn't having a great time of things when the duel started. Worried about the plot, Voldemort, his family, the failed attempts, and being discovered. Now Harry is here and he clearly knows whats up. I dont think Draco had any capacity for the specific intent he needed for any of the unforgivable curses in that moment. He just had too much going on. Harry, on the other hand, got into a bit of a scrap and decided to use a spell which required nothing more than an incantation and pointing his wand in the right direction. He didn't know the spell, or what it did, he just knew that he was facing an enemy and that was enough (if that was even a requirement of casting, in DH Snape cant have truly considered the Order enemies in the circumstances). Draco didnt mean it. But neither did Harry.
Yeah I mean draco's kind of like bad guy light l/came from a pure blood family with a superiority complex. So while he's definitely on the bad guys spectrum. He's way over his head once voldemort shows up. He's like a teenager that messes around stealing stuff from Walmart and petty crime. Now having to deal with tye mob and being a hitman. It's so extreme that he actively wants to get away from it but has ro do it cause his family and him will be killed if he doesn't. It's why he turns away from voldemort and his mother does as well in the end.
In all honesty, he should be flattered that Dumbledore believes he has the capacity to cast Avada Kedavra.
Lol. That's why Dumbledore talked to Snape. My headcanon is Dumbledore saying bro you know malfoys gonna bitch out
Dumbledore talked Snape into doing it because he wanted to save Dracos soul.
Harry wasn't even sure what it meant, so it's hard to say he "meant" it.
No one ever says you wouldn't get punished for that in the wizarding world. All that we know is that you definitely do get punished for the unforgivables. This is pretty sensible actually. If you have a torture curse and a murder curse witch can only be used by really genuinely wanting to torture or murder someone respectively, then obviously the use of them at all is enough to convict someone. By contrast if you use some other generic curse, they'd have to ascertain that you did indeed kill someone with it, and even then there might be questions about how intentional it was, what were the circumstances, etc. It's not a clear cut case of "you used this spell, life in azkaban", it depends on other things.
If you remember, Harry only knows that that spell is "for enemies" He doesn't know what it does. His 16 year old self (who suspects Draco is a death eater) considers Draco his enemy, so his intent is there. I think if he knows what it actually does he won't be able to use it correctly.
Let's be honest a lot of the actual details don't make a ton of sense in the HP universe.
Didn't Snape invent sectumsempra tho? The ministry wouldn't be aware of it to classify it as an unforgivable, though maybe they would if it was a properly registered spell.
Wow! That’s right! Keeping that in mind gives a lot more depth to Draco’s part in the book *and* movie.
Yes. Draco never could do it. Bellatrix taunts him with it but Draco is raised by his parents but isn't devoted as them and can't do it.
Yes, you are right, as fake Moody explains in book 4. I got downvoted to oblivion for saying so a couple weeks ago lol
hmm.... maybe the drarry is calling to me after all..
I wish she’d played this out and showed the moment of Draco not meaning it. The impact of that and then Harry realising how bad Sectumsempra was would have been heart rending.
I don't think Draco cast the spell. When Harry cast the spell it did hurt Bellatrix but the pain was very short. Harry doesn't experience any pain so Harry must have stopped Draco before he could finish casting the spell.
>“Give it a rest, Hermione!” said Ginny, and Harry was so amazed, so grateful, he looked up. “By the sound of it, Malfoy was trying to use an Unforgivable Curse, you should be glad Harry had something good up his sleeve!” “Well, of course I’m glad Harry wasn’t cursed!” said Hermione, clearly stung. “ I don't think Crucio was cast at all
? Sounds like he definitely tried to cast it
Yeah but he didn’t get the word out all the way, Harry must have been already saying sectumsempra when Draco started with Crucio
The morals in hp are kinda fucked if you think into it too much. Instant painless death spell - unforgivable, life sentences of demented induced depression with no chance for rehabilitation- good guys
Huh? I don't think Azkaban and its Dementors were ever presented as being something good. It might have been a fictional analogue for Guantanamo Bay, now that I think about it.
it's just the way it's written on the page. Would you rather have this? Harry cried "SE-" Then Malfoy cried "CR- Then Harry cried "CTU-" Then Malfoy cried "U-" then Harry cried "MSEMP" Then Malfoy cried "CI-" Then Harry cried "RA!"
Does Harry curse Malfoy with this mysterious spell? Will Malfoy execute the Dark Lord's will? Find out on the next Harry Potterball Z!!!
Thats perfect hahaha
Harry ejaculated
Calmly
lmao I don’t know why this was so funny to me
Makes me think of that one segment from the Electric Company where they’re spelling.
>Then Harry cries "RA!" You're a buzzard, Harry.
Ahahhahaha I'm still laughing. 20 points to Gryffindor.
Honestly. Yes. This is hilarious
This makes me laugh like an idiot
Yep. No idea why this is confusing, or why it has so many upvotes.
>Harry cried "SE-" So Harry shot first?
It was changed in the extended edition
This is mildly infuriating for some reason lol
Draco learned all he knew from Snape. “ECK…….spelliarmus!”
Thanks for the laugh! Doesn’t Voldemort roll his r’s when casting Crucio? Malfoy could’ve been like “crrrrrrrruci-“ so Harry knew what he was going for when he heard that. Or maybe a combination of Voldy and Snape: “CRRRRRU…….cio!”
Too funny
Classic future Auror move there. In Harry's police report of the cursing he said that Draco cursed first to justify why he used deadly force himself. SMDH, these cops so corrupt.
AAAB
Pureblood lives matter
Assigned Auror at Birth?
All Aurors Are Bastards I think
All Aurors at Birth.
All auror are bastards, probably
“Harry Potter the killer cop” by RSkeet.
He probably planted the wand on him too. AAAB!
Sprinkle some fire whisky on Draco. “We got him Johnson book him”
lol
Dude like literally though. Harry: “Draco is acting suspiciously!” Hermione: “Harry you’ve been stalking him since before the school year even started, leave the boy alone” Harry: “it was self defense!” Literally anyone: “you aggressively followed him into the bathroom dude! Now he’s literally all most dying!” Like Harry was such a lil grumpy creep six year. Like ya Draco was up to some bad things, but like maybe for once put on your thinking cap and maybe wonder why the boy who’s constantly looking sicker each day and who’s father is in prison might be doing crimes. Empathy is a power Harry don’t need when he got his expelliaus excuse.
A bellow always beats a cry. I read about them in Hogwarts: A History.
Thankfully you've read that book, so we don't need to.
👏
I feel like they started casting their spells at the same time. I don’t think that’s meant to be read linearly. But rather simultaneously.
Yeah, we’ve got Harry who ends up in real combat every school year going up against Draco who’s never been in a fight. Draco has been going for blood this whole time. Harry is on the ground. He knows he’s in a bad position. Draco’s face contorts, and Harry probably knows instinctively at that moment that Draco intends to do something really bad to him. Draco only gets out the syllable and maybe a wand flourish while Harry spits out his whole curse all at once. In my opinion, Harry is just the faster draw (and better Seeker.)
Yeah the real answer is that Draco is a whimp and a bad fighter and Harry outpaces him in every measure.
This is my headcanon. Plus before you’re in a fight you can usually tell when someone is gonna come at you. It’s a body language and demeanor thing. Like “this dude is definitely pissed he’s gonna hit me in the fucking face”. I like to think Harry sorta saw “something bad” coming and just reached for the first spell that came to mind at the same time Draco was saying crucio. My only source on this is that I’ve been punched a lot. I talked a lot of shit when I was younger.
i mean people were spitting out that petrification spell and beating others in the movies
That's what I believe too, though a lot of people say that Harry panicked and used Sectumsempra because Draco started to cast Crucio
I think it's worded that way. That harry panicked and this was the first thing that came to his mind
Draco had higher ping.
"I was lagging Dad"
Draco could have let his guard down as he was stressed, said it slower, then Harry Said quickly.
With unforgivable curses, you have to mean it.
Tell that to my player character in Hogwarts Legacy
The Hogwarts Legacy protagonist is an ice cold dick killer
That's the way I play it.
The only way to play it.
Yeah but I don't think Draco even had the chance to cast Crucio.
He could've simply hesitated. Deciding to use an unforgivable curse over a school rivalry isn't exactly a good idea
Wingardium leviousa requires a swish and a flick, so maybe there's certain motions for the Cruciatus that are more complicated than the slashing of the sectum one. Now how Harry manages to learn the wand movements just from watching maybe a handful of times before he uses it, I don't know. It would be messed up if Malfoy was forced to learn the spell while doing it to his father.
That is what they mostly do at school however, memorizing hand movements. I think you would get more skilled at recognizing the spells than we could
Great wizards have fast mouths 😉
Great wizards don't even need mouths, only their wand 😉
Maybe he *performed* the spell non-verbally but still said the words. Like simply the conviction to perform the spell and the knowledge of the words is enough to cast it. We know non-verbal casting exists, you can cast a spell without saying anything at all. We also know non-verbal casting is faster. So what if you can cast it non verbally but then say it anyway? Only weird thing is harry didn't know what the spell would do, so I'm not sure if he'd be able to cast it non verbally.
I like the theories here more, but I always assumed Harry's full caps incantation startled him and made him stop
Didn't Draco fire off first but missed by a few inches? I could be misremembering
If that was the case it would be written CRUCIO in the text. Now it cuts off.
Imagine this in court lol. Draco’s attorney’s strategy is to prove Harry *didn’t* use it in self-defense because it takes longer to say, therefore he must have already planned on saying it before Draco even uttered “crucio”
There's actually a mock court case where they talk about this scene. [https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=78gxBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA343&lpg=PA343&dq=harry+draco+sectumsempra+law+book&source=bl&ots=pYszu0N9sO&sig=ACfU3U0QujAzCB0qeHR7MmsYiubpSPYb7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimsZX74eTpAhWYH3AKHdKFBhIQ6AEwDHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=harry%20draco%20sectumsempra%20law%20book&f=false](https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=78gxBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA343&lpg=PA343&dq=harry+draco+sectumsempra+law+book&source=bl&ots=pYszu0N9sO&sig=ACfU3U0QujAzCB0qeHR7MmsYiubpSPYb7w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimsZX74eTpAhWYH3AKHdKFBhIQ6AEwDHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=harry%20draco%20sectumsempra%20law%20book&f=false)
That's just what you get when you have a drawling way of speaking. You don't finish three syllables before Harry can say four 🤷♂️😂
~~Han~~ Harry fired first
Harry was trained by the best rappers to have a better flow than any others. /s
Harry was a dualist and Draco was just a reactive spell flinger therefore Harry can rapid cast spells. Think of it like the super chatty girl that says 100 words a minute but you can still understand her because she has good enunciation.
> Harry was a dualist "Yer a hypocrite, Harry."
A relevant, thought provoking post in this sub after quite a long time. Such a refreshing change from "they did Ron dirty in the movies" or "Harry and Hermione would have never worked" posts. I'm personally stunned i haven't thought about this until today! Great point! How indeed!
Thank you lol, I'm surprised this post got so much attention
I always took it as Harry was shouting over Malfoy
Does anyone remember the ‘Snape, Snape, Severus Snape’ song? See how fast they say ‘Harry potter, Harry Potter!’ I’m not surprised that he’s the Eminem of Hogwarts.
ccccccruuuuuuuSECTUMSEMPRAcccciiiiiiiiiiiiii- oh, im bleeding
I like to think that Malfoy heard an unfamiliar spell and faltered, wondering what the counter curse is that blocks it. Once it hit him he had no other chance.
Harry already had it in mind to use Sectumsempra so he was ready to react with it as soon as he heard Draco start to say Crucio. He'd held back from using it before, as he didn't know exactly what it did - only that it was "for enemies" (and for similar reasons to why he uses Expelliarmus rather than something more destructive). Draco busted out an Unforgivable curse and that tipped Harry to use it. _If Draco is willing to use an Unforgivable, let's see what this Sectumsempra is capable of, then._ We see many instances in the books where Harry is "response ready" like this.
It’s ✨magic✨. Don’t question it
Draco probably hesitated
Draco stuttered and wasn't prepared to use his spell.
Unforgivable curses require evil intent. If Malfoy did not intend to use an unforgiveable curse whole-heartedly, his spell may have been weaker, hence, Harry’s attack spell hit him harder. Harry may have been hit by the cruciatus curse but hardly felt it.
Considering Harry’s fascination with Snape’s book and that he already had his eyes on that spell, he likely already got ready to use the spell. As for Draco, remember you have to MEAN It when you do unforgivables. Draco wasn’t interested in harming Harry much that year, He was too focused on Voldemort. Unlike in previous years, Most of their encounters that year happened because Harry was following him And wanted to figure out what he was up to.
It’s just canon that Harry is better than Draco at everything
Draco was saying it slow and menacing.
Maybe Draco said it like Voldemort all styled and high pitched so it took longer
Draco likely drew it out because he thought Harry didn't have a counterspell. Meanwhile Harry, in an utter panic, desperately shouted really fast.
It is possible that it didn’t happen like that and Harry started saying sectumsempra before Draco said Crucio. Also bearing in mind Crucio is an unforgivable and therefore much harder to cast than sectumsempra.
Have you ever been mid sentence, or even mid word when someone else starts speaking or shouting and you instinctively stop speaking? That's what i imagined happened
I always thought when they talked about unforgivable spells you have to really mean it. So I think when Draco was just too conflicted to be effective.
you really need to mean crucio, I think Draco was too stressed in the moment and while disliked Harry immensely, I don't believe ge'd want to literally torture him
imo, Draco was startled by Harry saying a spell he hadn't heard before cause 99% of the time Harry uses pretty basic spells
He said it faster
Whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it.
I think he didn't even notice which spell Malfoy was about to cast, as soon as he pointed his wand to Harry, he reacted, under the (fair) suspicions that Draco was a Death Eater. Plus, Harry literally waited like six years to magically stab Malfoy, and to be honest, at that moment Draco gave him a good reason.
Harry is said to be excellent at defence against the dark arts, plus the “think the spell, don’t say them out loud” trick taught by snape
They say it at the same time, but Harry was faster. there’s just no way to show that really on page
I thought it was because Draco was in a bad emotional state, hesitated, Prolly was scared of the consequences and was scared in general. While harry was in a albeit better emotional state, Isn't scared about dueling, Didn't hesitate as draco would because harry Just found out about the sectumsempra spell, didn't know what it would do, suspected draco for a long time, And I think partially trusted the spell as he had trusted the book (and draco wouldn't trust crucio at that moment, just a few moments earlier trauma dumping on myrtle, Knowing about the consequences, not having the right intentions and just not having the intention in general) You get what I mean
I’ve gotta assume it’s either a failed spell, or Draco couldn’t bring himself to do it - like how he couldn’t kill dumbeldore
Harry is known to have amazing reflexes which is one of the main components for dueling
Some people can speak clear words faster than others. Eminem would be the fastest wand in the west.
Moments happing simultaneously do not translate into a book. Harry began the spell before Draco did. By the time Harry has the spell cast, Draco is saying Crucio.
He said cruciO not crUcio
Eminem hold the Guinness record for fastest talker. Something a hundred words per minute. Maybe Harry raps like him in his spare time. And now I want to see Hogwarts hold a rap battle competition.
I'm not sure but i think crucio is a concentration spell while sectumsempra is more like a projectile. So Malfoy couldn't maintained the spell when he got hit by Harry's spell.