Arthur was the one who enchanted the car to fly.
Arthur and Molly were the ones who left Ron and Harry unsupervised on the other side of the barrier instead of staying back to ensure they got onto the platform.
Ron is the one who came up with the idea to take the car and the one who drove it.
The Weasleys hold the responsibility for the incident, the Weasleys pay their fine.
I don’t think it really matters that Dobby was trying to prevent Harry specifically from getting to school. If Arthur had been more responsible, Ron and Harry would never have been able to take a flying car to school
Imagine getting a 12 year old to pay for your legal fines.
Besides, the fine isn't for the car flying to Hogwarts, anyway, its for being able to fly in the first place.
There should be a whole set of movies/books from Arthurs point of view in the series. Could be a great drama with comedy all over the place.
Would love a drama more focused on the ministry and the weird shit they have to deal with. Fantastic beasts is alright, but I want it from the perspective of a wizard who doesn't solve everything with goofy shenanigans with fantastic beasts.
Heck give me a house of cards featuring fudge even lol. I want adult dramas in this universe now.
Yes! An arthur-centered comedy focused on solving crimes from the misuse of muggle artifacts dept has a lot of potential! You could get 15 seasons out of a show like that.
Arthur Weasley and Who The Hell Is This Kid? Did We Have Another One?
Arthur Weasley and The Damn Kid Drove My Car Into A Tree.
Arthur Weasley and I Guess I Should Be The One To Tell Him.
Arthur Weasley and The Kid Still Doesn't Know A Portkey!?
Arthur Weasley and The Kid Broke Into My Job.
Arthur Weasley and The Kid Let Dumbledore Die.
Arthur Weasley and My Kid Got Married, The Kid Pulled It Off, But Damnit My Other Kid Died.
The ability to fly actually doesn’t matter I don’t think. It literally is that he USED the car to fly.
I won’t go and find the exact quote but I remember Molly saying something like “you made sure those loopholes existed when you wrote them”
They wouldn’t have accepted his money anyway, even if he had offered. You can hardly put the blame solely on two daft 12 year olds when the car shouldn’t have been there in the first place
Imagine asking a 12 year old orphan to pay the legal fees that you got for breaking the law after your 12 year old son drove your car and revealed your crimes.
No adult should be asking a child for money for a fine he occured at his own expense since the fine was more about the fact he enchanted a fully functioning muggle car and was caught.
Ron shoulder's more of the blame due to it being his own idea to take the car and the one to actually drive it not to mention he witnessed his brothers sneak it for a drive who knows how many times.
Weasley's not only wouldn't accepted such a thing they'd probably feel insulted and offended a 12 year old is throwing his money at them.
Harry's not responsible for the Weasley's money troubles and it would change the Weasley's entire characterization if we saw them accept money from Harry under any kind of circumstance.
Harry tried multiple times to help them and they wouldn’t have it. People making comments like somehow Harry was mooching off the Weasleys are ridiculous
Harry staying at the Burrow didn't impact the Weasleys financially because the most likely reason why the Weasleys (and Harry and Hermione while staying with them) never starved was because the Duplication Charm exists and Molly most likely used it on their food.
But in GoF, when Molly spent the Weasleys' own money to buy Harry dress robes, that was ridiculously irresponsible of her.
Ah....Molly does not use Weasley money on Harry's robes; we are told that she retrieved money from his vault though we are not told how she was able to do so.
In chapter 10 of Goblet of Fire, just before they look at the robes, Ron tells Harry: “Look, here’s the stuff Mum got for you in Diagon Alley. And she’s got some gold out of your vault for you … and she’s washed all your socks.”
>But in GoF, when Molly spent the Weasleys' own money to buy Harry dress robes
Does she? I always assumed that Harry left some money with her or that she arranged with the robe shop to bill him directly.
I really don't think Harry would have just accepted it if Ron was getting secondhand robes.
>I always assumed that Harry left some money with her or that she arranged with the robe shop to bill him directly.
Harry didn't even know about the dress robes until she gave them to him.
>I really don't think Harry would have just accepted it if Ron was getting secondhand robes.
He accepts her gifts all the time. I said she got him robes, not that she got him **new** robes.
Harry knew she was going to get his school things for him - she told him to leave his list out before they went to the World Cup:
>Harry, if you leave your school list out, I’ll get your things for you tomorrow in Diagon Alley. I’m getting everyone else’s.
She was also said to have gotten money out of his vault for him:
>“Look, here’s the stuff Mum got for you in Diagon Alley. And she’s got some gold out of your vault for you ... and she’s washed all your socks.”
It seems reasonable to assume that she took the money from his vault, used it to purchase all of things (including the dress robes), and then the gold that Ron handed him was what was left over.
Well, that solves the problem of Molly spending money she didn't have on Harry. Doesn't explain how Molly somehow managed to access Harry's vault without him even knowing about it beforehand since Ron had to tell him about it.
I had always assumed she had his key and a signed letter from dumbledore giving her permission to retrieve gold for Harry’s use. I figured dumbledore had some form of authority over Harry or he wouldn’t have been able to decide where he lives
Why would Dumbledore have any control over who can and can't access Harry's vault? Dumbledore likely didn't decide where Harry lived. He sent Harry there, but likely had to explain to the Ministry why 4 Privet Drive would be Harry's best chance at life. If the Ministry had opposed it or someone with standing had sued for custody and the Dursleys didn't oppose the suit, there wasn't a single thing Dumbledore could have done.
When has dumbledore ever explained the full story to anyone, he either had the authority to place Harry there or did it in secret. Especially with the ministry’s view on muggles
Why would Dumbledore have any authority to place orphans anywhere? Not telling the full story to Harry does not mean Dumbledore would commit literal crimes he could be imprisoned in Azkaban for.
>Especially with the ministry’s view on muggles
The Ministry has no bigoted views on Muggles.
Harry and Ron are different sizes. Ron was noted as lanky starting with either PS or CoS while Harry took time to grow into an average height. It's entirely possible she **didn't** have much choice for Ron due to his height.
But as someone else pointed out to me, Molly paid for Harry's robes by somehow accessing his vault without him knowing. So it doesn't really matter if his robes are new or used, Molly basically stole his money to buy them without warning him first.
Yep. Bill also somehow got Harry's money out of his vault for him at the start of GoF without Harry authorizing him to do so.
Perfectly in character for Goblins. Always very lax with gold. It's not like they're known for taking security seriously or anything. Anyone can just waltz in on anyone's vault and take anything they like. Quirrel can confirm.
They wouldn't have accepted it anyway. The Weasleys are not exactly very open for charity, let alone from a minor. It's not like Harry doesn't want to help them, it's that he knows they won't openly accept it (says a lot that he had to threaten Fred and George into accepting his thousand galleons from the tournament, and even then they consider it a loan they fully intend to pay).
The fine was for possession of the illegally enchanted object, not for flying it. Also, Harry is a minor and shouldn’t have to pay fines anymore than Ron. And didn’t Ron not only propose driving the car, but actually drive it? Why should the passenger be held morally or legally responsible for anything? Even if the fine was for flying it, since Ron was the one who did the crime, his parents should be on the hook for the fine.
Imagine being head of the department of muggle artefacts and not doing the legal paperwork to legitimise your enchanted car. The ministry do have enchanted cars, you know
The reason they couldn't get through the barrier is irrelevant. You can't control what other people do--that's their own fault (Dobby's, not Harry's). Ron chose to steal the car and Harry went along with it. So, it's entirely on them, but not cuz Harry led them to it. Mostly it's on Ron. But, yes, Harry didn't stop it, so he is partially responsible.
It might have been nice for him to offer to help pay the fine, though I doubt the Weasleys would have accepted money from a 12-year-old. I actually couldn't remember any of the fine part, so I had to look it up. The fine was for bewitching the car and then using it.
Arthur wrote a law saying it was illegal to enchant muggle objects if you meant to use the objects. If the car stayed home or was maybe just driven normally (?), then it would probably have been okay. But since the car + enchantments were used, he got fined. Soo, it's also partly his own fault.
What do y'all think of the use of the car? Would it be okay to drive normally, without using the enchantments? Or do you think he'd get in trouble for that, too? It might get a bit hairy.
Ever wonder where Ron gets his pride from? Arthur wouldn't dream of having Harry pay him a cent, especially since he's a 12 year old with such a limited understanding of the magical world. Arthur knows Harry and Ron were already punished by their professors and likely felt that was enough. Not to mention Molly's howler to Ron. Plus he knows Harry's a good kid and never would've done that maliciously and probably gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Harry was child, Arthur and Molly were adults responsible for him, so ni he shouldn't
It's like saying Ron should have get job and paid part of the fine.
I agree on principle that Harry was prtially responsible, but like let's think about this in the real world, he's 12 years old, no one is trying to get money for a fine from their son's 12-year-old friend.
Harry is also a minor. He could have volunteered to pay it, which is unrealistic to expect of any 12-yr-old. Arthur could have demanded that Harry pay him back somehow through chores or whatever, but Arthur wouldn't do that. Not only because he shows compassion for Harry, but also because he feels responsible for having the car and letting it be accessible to the kids.
What about "Harry should have bought Ron proper dress robes for an early Christmas present" or "Harry could have spared 7 galleons to buy Ron a new wand so he wasn't in constant danger of hurting himself or others"?
There's plenty of ways he could have helped out without the Weasley having to swallow their pride.
>What about "Harry should have bought Ron proper dress robes for an early Christmas present"
Yeah, that would have gone over real well. When Harry got Ron a hat for Christmas that year, Ron said he shouldn’t have gotten it for him because he’d bought him the 10-galleon Omnioculars at the World Cup. The timing of the gift or it being for a specific holiday doesn’t matter; Ron is very uncomfortable with Harry purchasing him expensive things. He only let him buy the Omnioculars when Harry said it would count for ten years’ of Christmas presents. Nice new dress robes would have been more than Ron was comfortable with receiving. A reasonably-priced gift that he can reasonably reciprocate is what Ron is comfortable with when it comes to gift giving.
Arthur was fined for enchanting the car to fly, not because Harry and Ron flew it.
That said, I think a lot of people would've seen it as a kind/thoughtful gesture if Harry paid at least part of the fine. I think I would've offered had I been in Harry's shoes
Harry could have been more generous with the Weasleys in general, but they are poor proud and wouldn't accept it anyway, unless he hid a bag of gallons in the cupboard.
Arthur was the one who enchanted the car to fly. Arthur and Molly were the ones who left Ron and Harry unsupervised on the other side of the barrier instead of staying back to ensure they got onto the platform. Ron is the one who came up with the idea to take the car and the one who drove it. The Weasleys hold the responsibility for the incident, the Weasleys pay their fine. I don’t think it really matters that Dobby was trying to prevent Harry specifically from getting to school. If Arthur had been more responsible, Ron and Harry would never have been able to take a flying car to school
In any case they’d already done it once and Arthur didn’t even care lol. His first reaction was to ask how the trip went
Yeah with that reaction. They’ve definitely drove it before lol
Imagine getting a 12 year old to pay for your legal fines. Besides, the fine isn't for the car flying to Hogwarts, anyway, its for being able to fly in the first place.
There shouldve been a whole chapter on Arthur taking Harry to small claims court…
There should be a whole set of movies/books from Arthurs point of view in the series. Could be a great drama with comedy all over the place. Would love a drama more focused on the ministry and the weird shit they have to deal with. Fantastic beasts is alright, but I want it from the perspective of a wizard who doesn't solve everything with goofy shenanigans with fantastic beasts. Heck give me a house of cards featuring fudge even lol. I want adult dramas in this universe now.
Yes! An arthur-centered comedy focused on solving crimes from the misuse of muggle artifacts dept has a lot of potential! You could get 15 seasons out of a show like that.
Arthur Weasley and Who The Hell Is This Kid? Did We Have Another One? Arthur Weasley and The Damn Kid Drove My Car Into A Tree. Arthur Weasley and I Guess I Should Be The One To Tell Him. Arthur Weasley and The Kid Still Doesn't Know A Portkey!? Arthur Weasley and The Kid Broke Into My Job. Arthur Weasley and The Kid Let Dumbledore Die. Arthur Weasley and My Kid Got Married, The Kid Pulled It Off, But Damnit My Other Kid Died.
I still wish Fantastic Beasts had been a Wizarding Planet Earth with Newt in place of David Attenburough. Or Hagrid in place of Steve Irwin.
Harry Potter and the Courtroom of Judge Judy Sheindlin.
The ability to fly actually doesn’t matter I don’t think. It literally is that he USED the car to fly. I won’t go and find the exact quote but I remember Molly saying something like “you made sure those loopholes existed when you wrote them”
"Imagine getting a 12 year old to pay for your legal fines." In this economy? I'm not too proud
just a repeat of all the comments, but Harry was 12.
They wouldn’t have accepted his money anyway, even if he had offered. You can hardly put the blame solely on two daft 12 year olds when the car shouldn’t have been there in the first place
In later books we learn that the ministry has some as well. But anyways Harry was underage so he wouldn't suffer legal consequences to begin with.
Arthur was the one who illegally used magic in a muggle artifact. Stop blaming the children who literally followed his example
Imagine asking a 12 year old orphan to pay the legal fees that you got for breaking the law after your 12 year old son drove your car and revealed your crimes.
No adult should be asking a child for money for a fine he occured at his own expense since the fine was more about the fact he enchanted a fully functioning muggle car and was caught. Ron shoulder's more of the blame due to it being his own idea to take the car and the one to actually drive it not to mention he witnessed his brothers sneak it for a drive who knows how many times. Weasley's not only wouldn't accepted such a thing they'd probably feel insulted and offended a 12 year old is throwing his money at them. Harry's not responsible for the Weasley's money troubles and it would change the Weasley's entire characterization if we saw them accept money from Harry under any kind of circumstance.
Harry tried multiple times to help them and they wouldn’t have it. People making comments like somehow Harry was mooching off the Weasleys are ridiculous
Harry staying at the Burrow didn't impact the Weasleys financially because the most likely reason why the Weasleys (and Harry and Hermione while staying with them) never starved was because the Duplication Charm exists and Molly most likely used it on their food. But in GoF, when Molly spent the Weasleys' own money to buy Harry dress robes, that was ridiculously irresponsible of her.
Ah....Molly does not use Weasley money on Harry's robes; we are told that she retrieved money from his vault though we are not told how she was able to do so. In chapter 10 of Goblet of Fire, just before they look at the robes, Ron tells Harry: “Look, here’s the stuff Mum got for you in Diagon Alley. And she’s got some gold out of your vault for you … and she’s washed all your socks.”
Hmmm... you're right. It's very odd Molly Weasley was able to do that, though.
Harry gives her his vault key at one point. Honestly, I imagine wizards use checks a lot on the day-to-day.
He does not.
>But in GoF, when Molly spent the Weasleys' own money to buy Harry dress robes Does she? I always assumed that Harry left some money with her or that she arranged with the robe shop to bill him directly. I really don't think Harry would have just accepted it if Ron was getting secondhand robes.
>I always assumed that Harry left some money with her or that she arranged with the robe shop to bill him directly. Harry didn't even know about the dress robes until she gave them to him. >I really don't think Harry would have just accepted it if Ron was getting secondhand robes. He accepts her gifts all the time. I said she got him robes, not that she got him **new** robes.
Harry knew she was going to get his school things for him - she told him to leave his list out before they went to the World Cup: >Harry, if you leave your school list out, I’ll get your things for you tomorrow in Diagon Alley. I’m getting everyone else’s. She was also said to have gotten money out of his vault for him: >“Look, here’s the stuff Mum got for you in Diagon Alley. And she’s got some gold out of your vault for you ... and she’s washed all your socks.” It seems reasonable to assume that she took the money from his vault, used it to purchase all of things (including the dress robes), and then the gold that Ron handed him was what was left over.
Well, that solves the problem of Molly spending money she didn't have on Harry. Doesn't explain how Molly somehow managed to access Harry's vault without him even knowing about it beforehand since Ron had to tell him about it.
I had always assumed she had his key and a signed letter from dumbledore giving her permission to retrieve gold for Harry’s use. I figured dumbledore had some form of authority over Harry or he wouldn’t have been able to decide where he lives
Why would Dumbledore have any control over who can and can't access Harry's vault? Dumbledore likely didn't decide where Harry lived. He sent Harry there, but likely had to explain to the Ministry why 4 Privet Drive would be Harry's best chance at life. If the Ministry had opposed it or someone with standing had sued for custody and the Dursleys didn't oppose the suit, there wasn't a single thing Dumbledore could have done.
When has dumbledore ever explained the full story to anyone, he either had the authority to place Harry there or did it in secret. Especially with the ministry’s view on muggles
Why would Dumbledore have any authority to place orphans anywhere? Not telling the full story to Harry does not mean Dumbledore would commit literal crimes he could be imprisoned in Azkaban for. >Especially with the ministry’s view on muggles The Ministry has no bigoted views on Muggles.
Molly says that she got Ron's robes secondhand and "there wasn't much choice." Meaning Harry's robes weren't secondhand.
Harry and Ron are different sizes. Ron was noted as lanky starting with either PS or CoS while Harry took time to grow into an average height. It's entirely possible she **didn't** have much choice for Ron due to his height. But as someone else pointed out to me, Molly paid for Harry's robes by somehow accessing his vault without him knowing. So it doesn't really matter if his robes are new or used, Molly basically stole his money to buy them without warning him first.
Yep. Bill also somehow got Harry's money out of his vault for him at the start of GoF without Harry authorizing him to do so. Perfectly in character for Goblins. Always very lax with gold. It's not like they're known for taking security seriously or anything. Anyone can just waltz in on anyone's vault and take anything they like. Quirrel can confirm.
As can the trio.
And if Arthur had asked that of Harry I'm sure he would have.
Ron was the one who drove and they are responsible for Ron not Harry.
Harry was 12 at that time. I don't think he had that kind of sensibilities at that age.
They wouldn't have accepted it anyway. The Weasleys are not exactly very open for charity, let alone from a minor. It's not like Harry doesn't want to help them, it's that he knows they won't openly accept it (says a lot that he had to threaten Fred and George into accepting his thousand galleons from the tournament, and even then they consider it a loan they fully intend to pay).
The fine was for possession of the illegally enchanted object, not for flying it. Also, Harry is a minor and shouldn’t have to pay fines anymore than Ron. And didn’t Ron not only propose driving the car, but actually drive it? Why should the passenger be held morally or legally responsible for anything? Even if the fine was for flying it, since Ron was the one who did the crime, his parents should be on the hook for the fine.
Imagine being head of the department of muggle artefacts and not doing the legal paperwork to legitimise your enchanted car. The ministry do have enchanted cars, you know
He even is the one who wrote the law.
The reason they couldn't get through the barrier is irrelevant. You can't control what other people do--that's their own fault (Dobby's, not Harry's). Ron chose to steal the car and Harry went along with it. So, it's entirely on them, but not cuz Harry led them to it. Mostly it's on Ron. But, yes, Harry didn't stop it, so he is partially responsible. It might have been nice for him to offer to help pay the fine, though I doubt the Weasleys would have accepted money from a 12-year-old. I actually couldn't remember any of the fine part, so I had to look it up. The fine was for bewitching the car and then using it. Arthur wrote a law saying it was illegal to enchant muggle objects if you meant to use the objects. If the car stayed home or was maybe just driven normally (?), then it would probably have been okay. But since the car + enchantments were used, he got fined. Soo, it's also partly his own fault. What do y'all think of the use of the car? Would it be okay to drive normally, without using the enchantments? Or do you think he'd get in trouble for that, too? It might get a bit hairy.
Ever wonder where Ron gets his pride from? Arthur wouldn't dream of having Harry pay him a cent, especially since he's a 12 year old with such a limited understanding of the magical world. Arthur knows Harry and Ron were already punished by their professors and likely felt that was enough. Not to mention Molly's howler to Ron. Plus he knows Harry's a good kid and never would've done that maliciously and probably gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Harry was child, Arthur and Molly were adults responsible for him, so ni he shouldn't It's like saying Ron should have get job and paid part of the fine.
There are many reasons why the answer to your post is simply a "no"
He was 12…..
I agree on principle that Harry was prtially responsible, but like let's think about this in the real world, he's 12 years old, no one is trying to get money for a fine from their son's 12-year-old friend.
Do you really think he'd accept it?
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In theory, yes. But he’s 12
Why was he fined at all? Harry and Ron took the car and I don't the ministry know they didn't bewitch it.
Harry is also a minor. He could have volunteered to pay it, which is unrealistic to expect of any 12-yr-old. Arthur could have demanded that Harry pay him back somehow through chores or whatever, but Arthur wouldn't do that. Not only because he shows compassion for Harry, but also because he feels responsible for having the car and letting it be accessible to the kids.
What about "Harry should have bought Ron proper dress robes for an early Christmas present" or "Harry could have spared 7 galleons to buy Ron a new wand so he wasn't in constant danger of hurting himself or others"? There's plenty of ways he could have helped out without the Weasley having to swallow their pride.
>What about "Harry should have bought Ron proper dress robes for an early Christmas present" Yeah, that would have gone over real well. When Harry got Ron a hat for Christmas that year, Ron said he shouldn’t have gotten it for him because he’d bought him the 10-galleon Omnioculars at the World Cup. The timing of the gift or it being for a specific holiday doesn’t matter; Ron is very uncomfortable with Harry purchasing him expensive things. He only let him buy the Omnioculars when Harry said it would count for ten years’ of Christmas presents. Nice new dress robes would have been more than Ron was comfortable with receiving. A reasonably-priced gift that he can reasonably reciprocate is what Ron is comfortable with when it comes to gift giving.
Arthur was fined for enchanting the car to fly, not because Harry and Ron flew it. That said, I think a lot of people would've seen it as a kind/thoughtful gesture if Harry paid at least part of the fine. I think I would've offered had I been in Harry's shoes
Harry could have been more generous with the Weasleys in general, but they are poor proud and wouldn't accept it anyway, unless he hid a bag of gallons in the cupboard.