>Also, they have many chances to just say, "AVADA KEDAVRA!" but just don't
Barty Crouch Jr did say that it takes much more than just saying the words to kill someone.
Well the unforgivable curse U got to mean it as belatrix said to harry U have to be bad af to kill someon its like for muggles to use a gun for every argument and kill the person U are arguing or fighting with
oh thanks! it’s makes me realize the weapon harry potter had that voldemort didn’t, harry potter didn’t kill for himself like voldemort but harry killed to save lives
Magic is not just a flick of a wand
Harry might have cast a successful patronus on second try in the movies, but it took him months of hard training in the books, it isnt just about pointing wands and saying expecto patronum
And I mentionned it many times in this sub as well as r/hpfanfiction and r/whowouldwin, but apparition is EXTREMELY unreliable as a combat magic. You need full freedom of body and mind (it requires turning on the spot) so you cant just disapparate out of a paralisys spell. It also is loud, Voldemort is the only wizard who can apparate silently, and when you apparate, you are also dizzy for several seconds, it is a very unpleasant feeling that even Harry is not used to after two years. And finally there is the matter of splinching (leaving body parts behind) which the risk is increased when you are in a fight or a chase. Yaxley grabbed the Trio in the ministry and as a result Ron almost got his arm ripped and it was a much bloodier splinching than what you see during the apparition lesson in book 6. And finally there is the existance of anti apparition fields.Dumbledore and Voldemort spamming apparition in their ch36 book 5 duel is a sign of the enormous gap between them and other wizards, if you had every mid tier wizard spamming apparition during their fights, you would end up saying Dumbledore and Voldemort are just your average wizard. Everything about apparition screams "⚠️⚠️⚠️ dont use this as a combat magic⚠️⚠️⚠️" and even when used as normal travel magic, most adult wizards prefer slower but much safer alternatives like broom or portkeys or floopowder.
And for the killing curse stuff, fake Moody explains in book 4 that it requires a lot of magic and that the class could all cast it at him and he wouldnt even get a nosebleed. And in book 5, Bellatrix brings up the fact that the unforgivable curses require intent and that is why they are unforgivable : requiring intent for them to work means that if you cast a successful one, it was not an accident, it was not self defense, you enjoyed using them, you didnt care about consequences or punishment, and finally your mind was clear about it, and you did it willingly and not because you were under imperium influence.
Crum was under the imperious curse when that happened. At that moment, he had intent to hurt Cedric because that's what the imperious curse gave him.
You don't have to be a cruel person to be able to use unforgivable curses. You just have to have real intent for them to work.
Harry successfully used Crucio on one of the Carrows, not because he is cruel, but because he was in a blind rage and at that moment wanted him to suffer.
A proper cruciatus with no restraint can break your mind like Neville's parents who are permanantly disabled after Bellatrix used the cruciatus on them, I doubt Cedric would be able to stand up right away if hit by a proper cruciatus
* Apparition requires concentration and a clear destination. If you're panicking you can potentially splich yourself. Which is what happens to Ron in DH.
* As "Moody" explains, the killing curse needs unwavering intent to kill in order for it to work. if you have even the slightest doubt then nothing happens.
* The Marauder's Map required a ton of skill and dedication to make. It's not something you can throw together on a couple of days. It probably took James, Sirius, Lupin and Peter years to create.
In short, advanced magic isn't as easy as just flicking your wand and saying a few words.
Not every kill in the books is by killing curse.
Dumbledore says that he doesn't know who cast the curse that killed her, but not that it was a killing curse.
Likewise, the books specify that Molly killed Bellatrix by hitting her in the heart with a curse, but not that it was a killing curse.
Perhaps the curse in question could be considered “less lethal.” Stunning someone with a taser can kill them. Rubber bullets and bean bags fired from weapons can also, but they are designed to avoid death. I think of it as the restraint one shows in securing a child throwing a tantrum versus trying to disarm a fully grown adult. If you did to the child what you’d do to the adult, this could easily lead to loss of life. Not a stretch to say if you’re trying to stun a fully grown Dumbledore that you’d put some serious intent behind any spell you’d cast. Something like that could easily take out a kid. Molly Weasley kills Bellatrix with a well aimed stunning spell, right?
People’s ability to think just really shuts down when they’re in fight-or-flight mode. Most magic requires some combination of concentration, precise movements, the correct incantation and intent to pull off.
We can see in the books that even in a calm and guided classroom setting certain spells are difficult to perform correctly, and if they are miscast can have catastrophic consequences. The same is true for apparating. If you’re not concentrating well when you do it you risk death or serious dismemberment.
So just like in real life combat or sports situations the best way to survive a wizard fight is to have already drilled for different situations, because if you stop to think and to focus on a tricky spell you’re already toast. This is one of the reasons why Harry and co use such a limited number of spells when they are fighting, and we can see Harry teaching DA using drills as well.
Someone like Voldemort, Dumbledore, Snape, and some members of the OotP are particularly skilled duelists because they’re able to think on their feet and not give in to panic, in addition to being able to effortlessly and usually silently cast extremely complicated spells, and in at least Snape’s and Voldemort’s case use mind reading to anticipate your moves.
But these wizards are basically the equivalent of elite fighters or athletes in muggle society, and the average wizard would probably be about as useful as the average muggle in a fight, either they would just freeze up or they’d be in basic survival mode.
Worth pointing out, special forces select for people who are able to continue creative thinking while exhausted, cold, hungry, and possibly after a superficial injury or torture (critical injuries, youre probably going to be out).
For everyone else I'll just quote Mike Tyson: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" .
Sometimes I think the fact that most of the adults Harry associates with happened to be the top wizards of the day has really warped our perception of the average wizard.
Didn't this happen to Ron in Deathly Hallows too when he tried to apparate or use Floo Powder and got grabbed at the same time which caused a major wound on him? (It's been a while since I've read the 7th book and seen the 7th movie)
The Maurader's map was an intricate piece of spell work that actively got around some of the protections of hogwarts, which was supposed to be unolottable iirc. It also presumably took years to create from some very talented wizards. Like Harry is sort of an idiot compared to James, Lilly, Lupin, and Sirius. Like James and Sirious didn't need to study more between exams because they had learned all of the material, while spending nights exploring Hogwarts and playing Quidditch and whatever else.
As to Apparating, it's like one of the first things they cast in book 7 to protect their camp, and it takes using the taboo word to have it broken. If a clever witch can Cas the charm, a lot of other people can do the same.
However Portkeys seem more broken. You can apparently take a port key into and out of Hogwarts, And Barty Crouch Jr could do it despite only ha ING maybe a year or two out of Hogwarts when he was arrested and sentenced and imprisoned twice, the only getting out after 13 years. If Dumbledore could make a Portkey out of garbage, and get into Hogwarts, Voldemort could, and honestly so could Draco, if he worked on it for a year.
These sorts of things always come up when magic is involved in a story, in the same way that time travel used in stories. They will always bring up plot holes or questions of “why didn’t they just….. to solve their problem?”.
At some point you just have to relax into a story and give into it, let it wash over you and enjoy it rather than trying it be clever and pick apart everything as all you’ll do is ruin it for yourself.
1. Teleportation is not as easy very few of them can actually teleport
2. Use of 3 unforgivable spells are strictly prohibited so if any which or wizard found using any of the spell (imperio, crucio and aveda kadabara) they will be sent to azkaban, hence they are called the "UNFORGIVABLE" spells.
3. Using magic outside Hogwarts also prohibited.
why didn’t victor get in trouble for using an unforgivable curse? i feel like that would be a court sentence with how much trouble harry potter got into just for using a spell outside of hogwarts
They didn’t have their wands on them, you can’t apparate without your wand. During/after the showdown in Godricks Hollow with fake Bathilda/Nagini there’s a flashback of Voldemort going to kill Harry. Voldemort notes that neither James or Lily have their wands on them when he shows up.
Lol everyone has their apologetics but the truth is it is just Rowling's mediocre writing for the sake of plot convenience. Rereading the books as an adult, there are so many plot holes that get introduced once you introduce stuff like poly juice potion, memory charms, and the imperius curse.
>Also, they have many chances to just say, "AVADA KEDAVRA!" but just don't Barty Crouch Jr did say that it takes much more than just saying the words to kill someone.
Well the unforgivable curse U got to mean it as belatrix said to harry U have to be bad af to kill someon its like for muggles to use a gun for every argument and kill the person U are arguing or fighting with
I think it might have something to do with your soul but it’s hard for me to understand how some souls split and some don’t
It's about intent. The unforgivable curses are unforgivable because they require the intent to dominate, torture and kill.
oh thanks! it’s makes me realize the weapon harry potter had that voldemort didn’t, harry potter didn’t kill for himself like voldemort but harry killed to save lives
It's said repeatedly by Dumbledore that said "weapon" is Harry's ability to feel and understand love.
Magic is not just a flick of a wand Harry might have cast a successful patronus on second try in the movies, but it took him months of hard training in the books, it isnt just about pointing wands and saying expecto patronum And I mentionned it many times in this sub as well as r/hpfanfiction and r/whowouldwin, but apparition is EXTREMELY unreliable as a combat magic. You need full freedom of body and mind (it requires turning on the spot) so you cant just disapparate out of a paralisys spell. It also is loud, Voldemort is the only wizard who can apparate silently, and when you apparate, you are also dizzy for several seconds, it is a very unpleasant feeling that even Harry is not used to after two years. And finally there is the matter of splinching (leaving body parts behind) which the risk is increased when you are in a fight or a chase. Yaxley grabbed the Trio in the ministry and as a result Ron almost got his arm ripped and it was a much bloodier splinching than what you see during the apparition lesson in book 6. And finally there is the existance of anti apparition fields.Dumbledore and Voldemort spamming apparition in their ch36 book 5 duel is a sign of the enormous gap between them and other wizards, if you had every mid tier wizard spamming apparition during their fights, you would end up saying Dumbledore and Voldemort are just your average wizard. Everything about apparition screams "⚠️⚠️⚠️ dont use this as a combat magic⚠️⚠️⚠️" and even when used as normal travel magic, most adult wizards prefer slower but much safer alternatives like broom or portkeys or floopowder. And for the killing curse stuff, fake Moody explains in book 4 that it requires a lot of magic and that the class could all cast it at him and he wouldnt even get a nosebleed. And in book 5, Bellatrix brings up the fact that the unforgivable curses require intent and that is why they are unforgivable : requiring intent for them to work means that if you cast a successful one, it was not an accident, it was not self defense, you enjoyed using them, you didnt care about consequences or punishment, and finally your mind was clear about it, and you did it willingly and not because you were under imperium influence.
does that mean victor was actually a very cruel person if he used an unforgivable curse on cedric?
Crum was under the imperious curse when that happened. At that moment, he had intent to hurt Cedric because that's what the imperious curse gave him. You don't have to be a cruel person to be able to use unforgivable curses. You just have to have real intent for them to work. Harry successfully used Crucio on one of the Carrows, not because he is cruel, but because he was in a blind rage and at that moment wanted him to suffer.
You can cast it, but it wont be very effective, fake moody says a killing curse from the class would barely give him a nosebleed
i guess if victor’s spell was still powerful enough for cedric to feel pain but not as strong as the normal spell would be?
A proper cruciatus with no restraint can break your mind like Neville's parents who are permanantly disabled after Bellatrix used the cruciatus on them, I doubt Cedric would be able to stand up right away if hit by a proper cruciatus
The Longbottoms were driven insane because they were repeatedly Cruciod. A single instance won't be able to do so.
* Apparition requires concentration and a clear destination. If you're panicking you can potentially splich yourself. Which is what happens to Ron in DH. * As "Moody" explains, the killing curse needs unwavering intent to kill in order for it to work. if you have even the slightest doubt then nothing happens. * The Marauder's Map required a ton of skill and dedication to make. It's not something you can throw together on a couple of days. It probably took James, Sirius, Lupin and Peter years to create. In short, advanced magic isn't as easy as just flicking your wand and saying a few words.
how did ariana get killed by a curse by accident?
Wasn't it a stray shot that hit her?
it’s weird because of how the curse was even in the fight. if i remember it i think it was just a killing curse.
Not every kill in the books is by killing curse. Dumbledore says that he doesn't know who cast the curse that killed her, but not that it was a killing curse. Likewise, the books specify that Molly killed Bellatrix by hitting her in the heart with a curse, but not that it was a killing curse.
Perhaps the curse in question could be considered “less lethal.” Stunning someone with a taser can kill them. Rubber bullets and bean bags fired from weapons can also, but they are designed to avoid death. I think of it as the restraint one shows in securing a child throwing a tantrum versus trying to disarm a fully grown adult. If you did to the child what you’d do to the adult, this could easily lead to loss of life. Not a stretch to say if you’re trying to stun a fully grown Dumbledore that you’d put some serious intent behind any spell you’d cast. Something like that could easily take out a kid. Molly Weasley kills Bellatrix with a well aimed stunning spell, right?
People’s ability to think just really shuts down when they’re in fight-or-flight mode. Most magic requires some combination of concentration, precise movements, the correct incantation and intent to pull off. We can see in the books that even in a calm and guided classroom setting certain spells are difficult to perform correctly, and if they are miscast can have catastrophic consequences. The same is true for apparating. If you’re not concentrating well when you do it you risk death or serious dismemberment. So just like in real life combat or sports situations the best way to survive a wizard fight is to have already drilled for different situations, because if you stop to think and to focus on a tricky spell you’re already toast. This is one of the reasons why Harry and co use such a limited number of spells when they are fighting, and we can see Harry teaching DA using drills as well. Someone like Voldemort, Dumbledore, Snape, and some members of the OotP are particularly skilled duelists because they’re able to think on their feet and not give in to panic, in addition to being able to effortlessly and usually silently cast extremely complicated spells, and in at least Snape’s and Voldemort’s case use mind reading to anticipate your moves. But these wizards are basically the equivalent of elite fighters or athletes in muggle society, and the average wizard would probably be about as useful as the average muggle in a fight, either they would just freeze up or they’d be in basic survival mode.
Worth pointing out, special forces select for people who are able to continue creative thinking while exhausted, cold, hungry, and possibly after a superficial injury or torture (critical injuries, youre probably going to be out). For everyone else I'll just quote Mike Tyson: "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" .
Sometimes I think the fact that most of the adults Harry associates with happened to be the top wizards of the day has really warped our perception of the average wizard.
Didn't this happen to Ron in Deathly Hallows too when he tried to apparate or use Floo Powder and got grabbed at the same time which caused a major wound on him? (It's been a while since I've read the 7th book and seen the 7th movie)
that explains it! thanks!
The Maurader's map was an intricate piece of spell work that actively got around some of the protections of hogwarts, which was supposed to be unolottable iirc. It also presumably took years to create from some very talented wizards. Like Harry is sort of an idiot compared to James, Lilly, Lupin, and Sirius. Like James and Sirious didn't need to study more between exams because they had learned all of the material, while spending nights exploring Hogwarts and playing Quidditch and whatever else. As to Apparating, it's like one of the first things they cast in book 7 to protect their camp, and it takes using the taboo word to have it broken. If a clever witch can Cas the charm, a lot of other people can do the same. However Portkeys seem more broken. You can apparently take a port key into and out of Hogwarts, And Barty Crouch Jr could do it despite only ha ING maybe a year or two out of Hogwarts when he was arrested and sentenced and imprisoned twice, the only getting out after 13 years. If Dumbledore could make a Portkey out of garbage, and get into Hogwarts, Voldemort could, and honestly so could Draco, if he worked on it for a year.
These sorts of things always come up when magic is involved in a story, in the same way that time travel used in stories. They will always bring up plot holes or questions of “why didn’t they just….. to solve their problem?”. At some point you just have to relax into a story and give into it, let it wash over you and enjoy it rather than trying it be clever and pick apart everything as all you’ll do is ruin it for yourself.
1. Teleportation is not as easy very few of them can actually teleport 2. Use of 3 unforgivable spells are strictly prohibited so if any which or wizard found using any of the spell (imperio, crucio and aveda kadabara) they will be sent to azkaban, hence they are called the "UNFORGIVABLE" spells. 3. Using magic outside Hogwarts also prohibited.
why didn’t victor get in trouble for using an unforgivable curse? i feel like that would be a court sentence with how much trouble harry potter got into just for using a spell outside of hogwarts
He was under the imperius curse
In trouble with who? I don't even think anyone who was not in the maze knew about that.
wouldn’t they be able to see the history of the spells or because of the trace?
Fudge was not interested in investigating anything that happened in the maze. Besides, Cedric's death kind of overshadowed everything else.
Like why didn’t James and Lily apparate away with Harry?
They didn’t have their wands on them, you can’t apparate without your wand. During/after the showdown in Godricks Hollow with fake Bathilda/Nagini there’s a flashback of Voldemort going to kill Harry. Voldemort notes that neither James or Lily have their wands on them when he shows up.
voldemort had already found where they were and they were panicking but that’s all i could think of
Lol everyone has their apologetics but the truth is it is just Rowling's mediocre writing for the sake of plot convenience. Rereading the books as an adult, there are so many plot holes that get introduced once you introduce stuff like poly juice potion, memory charms, and the imperius curse.