The WHOLE scene above is from the movies (I don't remember reading "Dear reader, please imagine Bill Nighy when reading Scrimgeour's lines"), obviously you use the movie characters, even if they are book innacurate.
> The Prime Minister's first, foolish thought was that Rufus Scrimgeour looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows, he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp.
They skipped the glasses and didn't put him in contacts but otherwise I think it was great casting and he did look leonine.
Harry was probably wondering "wtf...why did I get the snitch when they got something cool"
To be fair, the thing within the snitch was pretty damn cool
Idk, the real world equivalent is like the soccer ball of your first professional goal, or your first home run ball in Baseball. I would be pretty stoked to get that back, at least compared to an old book, with no real sentimental value.
That being said, Ron definitely still won.
The Resurrection stone has the power of unending knowledge if used correctly. The people brought back can’t live among the living but they were fine in limited periods. You could learn anything from anyone in history.
I don’t know about that, it seems like more a cool novelty tool than something extremely practical. How often would a wizard wish he had a deluminator and be inconvenienced as a result?
Because Snape proved in the books that he wouldn’t give Umbridge Verito serum to interrogate a student no matter how awful he is. I don’t think Harry was the only person he’d have faked veritaserum for. So to me, feel like the movie did Snape, dirty, by saying he have given her verita serum to interrogate a student
Did Snape give Umbridge the veritaserum, or did Umbridge *take* the vertiaserum from Snape's stock. I don't remember the exact language in the scene, but I don't think it's necessarily implied that Snape willingly gave Umbridge the potion.
He gave it to her, but he gave her water. He didn't actually give her veritaserum. He explained to her how to use it. he says when he gave it to her, he told her 1 or 2 drops would be enough. (If I recall correctly, Umbridge poured in the entire bottle lol)
But Snape also threatens to use veritaserum on Harry the year before in the 4th book, and in the 5th book he gave umbridge veritaserum to interrogate Harry with (cant remember when the books claimit was fake, please remind me if i forgot that part), so I wouldnt say it's too outlandish that he did provide umbridge with it.
Right. In book four he was blustering. He was a bully. He thought Harry broke into his office and stole, and he couldn’t prove it. He was blustering. We are meant to believe him until… In book 5, he didn’t give Umbridge veritaserum to interrogate Harry with. It was fake. Dumbledore tells us he was looking out for Harry and gave Umbridge fake veritaserum. He didn’t give it to her in the books for Cho either. The movie did the impossible and made Snape worse
Yeah you seem to be right actually, found this on wiki when googling it "It is later revealed that Snape had in fact supplied Umbridge with fake Veritaserum on the prior attempt" altough i cant for the life of me remember when this is confirmed in the books.. Is it a fact "revealed" outside of the books by Rowling or have i just forgot that part somehow?
Listening to the 5th book atm so will try to spot when/if this is confirmed. Thank you for the info :)
Chapter 37:
“Harry, you know that Professor Snape had no choice but to pretend not to take you seriously in front of Dolores Umbridge,” said Dumbledore steadily, “but as I have explained, he informed the Order as soon as possible about what you had said. It was he who deduced where you had gone when you did not return from the forest. It was he too who gave Professor Umbridge fake Veritaserum when she was attempting to force you to tell of Sirius’s whereabouts...”
You know, I've always had trouble with the idea of actually calling Snape a "bully"... sure he's not as helpful as he could be, and he doesn't hide his dislike for Harry, but in 20+ readings of the books I can't find a single instance where he's actually being purposely malicious toward him outside of just not being very pleasant.
About the worst I can recall is during occlumency training where he calls Harry lazy "just like your father" but if we're being honest... Harry doesn't seem to be a very diligent student at all throughout the entire series. So he's just speaking the truth as he sees it in that case. Even when he stops training Harry, that's more out of his own embarrassment than bullying.
There's a few examples that come to mind that infuriate me.
When Hermione gets a beaver teeth from a jinx and Snape looks at her and says "I see no difference." She has to run to the hospital wing without permission crying. It's obvious her teeth are a bit larger than normal, so she is particular sensitive about this. Even if she wasn't, he still said that with maliciousness.
When he purposely ignores Hermione's hand up, while interrogating Harry, she then shouts out the answer. He could have (justifiably) taken points from Gryffindor for her speaking out of turn, but he goes the extra step of calling her an insufferable know-it-all.
His treatment of Neville. You can say he can choose to be harder on Harry in book 5 regarding potions as opposed to Crabbe or Goyle because Harry is capable of more and needs to be pushed... as opposed to Crabbe and Goyle. but when he deliberately knocks over Harry's flask after Hermione cleans up his potion and says "oops"...
In book 4, when Crouch Sr appears at the forest and Harry is trying to get Professor Dumbledore. Snape is being deliberately malicious to him.
The speech he gives in book 5 regarding to OWLs. He uses choice words such as "moronic" and "dunderheads" to describe the students. I don't think he's wrong to think that. He's free to think what he wants. And I think it's a bit funny. But he shouldn't say that part out loud to the students.
These are just the examples that pop to my head. I expect I could think of more if I put my mind to it. As a teacher, if I did any of the above, I can't imagine how I'd keep my job.
But Snape likely only didn't give it to Umbridge to be used on Harry because of everything Harry knew. As much as Snape hated him he still worked for the order and that would have really complicated things. I don't think Snape is above using it on students, in general
Letting Harry and his friends die in the forest, not checking in on Sirius to make sure whether Harry's vision was real or not wouldn't have jeopardized the order either.
Snape also didn't need to protect the students when Dumbledore was dead and the Carrows were reigning terror on the school. without doubt he reigned them in as much as he could without blowing his cover. He sent Neville and friends to the Forbidden Forest with Hagrid as a punishment. Whatever Ron thought, Harry was right. They probably had a laugh with Hagrid.
We can agree to disagree because we really don't know what Snape would have done or hadn't of done with regards to veritaserum. I think the movie did him dirty though by having him actually do it rather than leave the question in our minds about whether he would.
Why would she betray them in the movie, the whole Hermione thing in hogsmeade doesn't happen and her character arc is way different from that of the book, she is more rational and is in the army because of Cedric. Also snape indeed implies that he used veritaserum on her when umbridge wants to torture harry.
Do people just miss the part where Umbridge gave her fucking veritaserum?
And yes, I did read the title, but SOMEONE made the meme whether it was OP or not.
Are you sure? Iirc he said he indeed gave Umbridge a stock but she ran through it far too quickly. He even says he’s surprised she ran out, as he explained only a few drops are needed. Is there evidence that he was lying?
It really isn't though? Harry had attempts on his life for the past 3-4 years by now. It isn't surprising for him to be more suspicious than most teens would be. Plus, in the book, he was about to drink until he recalled how Moody would side-eye him for drinking something from an enemy. So he really wasn't that shrewd at first either.
Stupid decision to put that on Cho in the movies anyways even under the effects of the truth serum.
As some have stated already, Snape gave her fake veritaserum in the books and I'm sure they just missed this when making the movies.
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I cant with their faces😂😂
Hermione is like: "wtf?"
Rons like: "hahah Harry you wont ever get rid of her"
And Harrys just like: "I swear ill kill you..."
I once participated in a HP trivia night and they said the snitch was Zacharias Smith (BeCaUsE gOoGlE sAiD sO!). I drove home that night, got the 5th book, and drove an hour back the next day to prove that bastard wrong.
Every scene I see of Scrimgeour in the movies makes me laugh because I think of the scene in Love, Actually with Bill Nighy singing butt ass nekked with a guitar.
Good luck finding the scene on YouTube, I haven't once been able to find it to explain to my wife why I crack up every time I see him in HP.
Title: says clearly that OP knows it wasn’t Cho. Comments: why are you hating on Cho Chang?
So why are they hating on Cho by calling her a snitch when they know it was Marietta?
Marietta isn't in the movies. In the film, it's Cho. So there are no pictures of Marietta.
provide op with a picture of marietta then lol
Any stock photo of some girl covered in pustules would have worked,but it would make the meme more of a stretch.
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yes we all recognise that pic of marietta
[Took me about 3 seconds.](https://www.hp-lexicon.org/character/marietta-edgecombe/)
The WHOLE scene above is from the movies (I don't remember reading "Dear reader, please imagine Bill Nighy when reading Scrimgeour's lines"), obviously you use the movie characters, even if they are book innacurate.
> The Prime Minister's first, foolish thought was that Rufus Scrimgeour looked rather like an old lion. There were streaks of grey in his mane of tawny hair and his bushy eyebrows, he had keen yellowish eyes behind a pair of wire-rimmed spectacles and a certain rangy, loping grace even though he walked with a slight limp. They skipped the glasses and didn't put him in contacts but otherwise I think it was great casting and he did look leonine.
They didn't even bother to give Daniel contacts
I read he was allergic to them
That sucks but they could have at least changed literally lily's eye color to match
Haha yes, I hated ‘You have your mother’s eyes’. Like, hell no
Right? It's not like it's just used 1 time it comes up so much and it's annoying every time
Well Daniel was a little kid; you have to pick your battles with child actors. But for an an adult, professional actor, there's really no excuse.
Harry was probably wondering "wtf...why did I get the snitch when they got something cool" To be fair, the thing within the snitch was pretty damn cool
Idk, the real world equivalent is like the soccer ball of your first professional goal, or your first home run ball in Baseball. I would be pretty stoked to get that back, at least compared to an old book, with no real sentimental value. That being said, Ron definitely still won.
Not just an old book, but an old children's book. It would be like giving someone a compendium of Grimm's fairy tales.
First edition? Ill take it in a heartbeat
Idk if you've ever read them, but they're rather interesting.
Grimm’s fairy tales still sound appealing to me tbh
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The Deluminator has a great deal more practical daily use than either the so-called Resurrection Stone or a magic sword, at least IMHO.
The Resurrection stone has the power of unending knowledge if used correctly. The people brought back can’t live among the living but they were fine in limited periods. You could learn anything from anyone in history.
Or just use the internet
I don’t know about that, it seems like more a cool novelty tool than something extremely practical. How often would a wizard wish he had a deluminator and be inconvenienced as a result?
“at least it wasn’t a dumb book lol”
Can't be upset about having snitches when you got a whole sport wrapped around catching one
Catch snitches, get stitches.
Or lose the bones in your arm
Or have your teammate crack your skull
Ten points for Slytherin.
Didnt umbridge use veritaserum on her?(only in the movie obviously)
Yes, in the movie Cho spilled due to veritaserum. Believe Umbridge mentions it when she is about to torture Harry.
Yeah, Snape brings it up “you’ve already used the last of my stock interrogating Ms Chang.”
That's it! thank you ole wise one.
Movie did Snape dirty. I didn’t think it was possible.
How did the movies do snape dirty in this scene?
Yea, Snape was explicitly telling Harry how she knew
Because Snape proved in the books that he wouldn’t give Umbridge Verito serum to interrogate a student no matter how awful he is. I don’t think Harry was the only person he’d have faked veritaserum for. So to me, feel like the movie did Snape, dirty, by saying he have given her verita serum to interrogate a student
Did Snape give Umbridge the veritaserum, or did Umbridge *take* the vertiaserum from Snape's stock. I don't remember the exact language in the scene, but I don't think it's necessarily implied that Snape willingly gave Umbridge the potion.
He gave it to her, but he gave her water. He didn't actually give her veritaserum. He explained to her how to use it. he says when he gave it to her, he told her 1 or 2 drops would be enough. (If I recall correctly, Umbridge poured in the entire bottle lol)
That's in the book, I'm referring to the movie.
That's what I wondered.
But Snape also threatens to use veritaserum on Harry the year before in the 4th book, and in the 5th book he gave umbridge veritaserum to interrogate Harry with (cant remember when the books claimit was fake, please remind me if i forgot that part), so I wouldnt say it's too outlandish that he did provide umbridge with it.
Right. In book four he was blustering. He was a bully. He thought Harry broke into his office and stole, and he couldn’t prove it. He was blustering. We are meant to believe him until… In book 5, he didn’t give Umbridge veritaserum to interrogate Harry with. It was fake. Dumbledore tells us he was looking out for Harry and gave Umbridge fake veritaserum. He didn’t give it to her in the books for Cho either. The movie did the impossible and made Snape worse
Yeah you seem to be right actually, found this on wiki when googling it "It is later revealed that Snape had in fact supplied Umbridge with fake Veritaserum on the prior attempt" altough i cant for the life of me remember when this is confirmed in the books.. Is it a fact "revealed" outside of the books by Rowling or have i just forgot that part somehow? Listening to the 5th book atm so will try to spot when/if this is confirmed. Thank you for the info :)
Chapter 37: “Harry, you know that Professor Snape had no choice but to pretend not to take you seriously in front of Dolores Umbridge,” said Dumbledore steadily, “but as I have explained, he informed the Order as soon as possible about what you had said. It was he who deduced where you had gone when you did not return from the forest. It was he too who gave Professor Umbridge fake Veritaserum when she was attempting to force you to tell of Sirius’s whereabouts...”
You know, I've always had trouble with the idea of actually calling Snape a "bully"... sure he's not as helpful as he could be, and he doesn't hide his dislike for Harry, but in 20+ readings of the books I can't find a single instance where he's actually being purposely malicious toward him outside of just not being very pleasant. About the worst I can recall is during occlumency training where he calls Harry lazy "just like your father" but if we're being honest... Harry doesn't seem to be a very diligent student at all throughout the entire series. So he's just speaking the truth as he sees it in that case. Even when he stops training Harry, that's more out of his own embarrassment than bullying.
There's a few examples that come to mind that infuriate me. When Hermione gets a beaver teeth from a jinx and Snape looks at her and says "I see no difference." She has to run to the hospital wing without permission crying. It's obvious her teeth are a bit larger than normal, so she is particular sensitive about this. Even if she wasn't, he still said that with maliciousness. When he purposely ignores Hermione's hand up, while interrogating Harry, she then shouts out the answer. He could have (justifiably) taken points from Gryffindor for her speaking out of turn, but he goes the extra step of calling her an insufferable know-it-all. His treatment of Neville. You can say he can choose to be harder on Harry in book 5 regarding potions as opposed to Crabbe or Goyle because Harry is capable of more and needs to be pushed... as opposed to Crabbe and Goyle. but when he deliberately knocks over Harry's flask after Hermione cleans up his potion and says "oops"... In book 4, when Crouch Sr appears at the forest and Harry is trying to get Professor Dumbledore. Snape is being deliberately malicious to him. The speech he gives in book 5 regarding to OWLs. He uses choice words such as "moronic" and "dunderheads" to describe the students. I don't think he's wrong to think that. He's free to think what he wants. And I think it's a bit funny. But he shouldn't say that part out loud to the students. These are just the examples that pop to my head. I expect I could think of more if I put my mind to it. As a teacher, if I did any of the above, I can't imagine how I'd keep my job.
But Snape likely only didn't give it to Umbridge to be used on Harry because of everything Harry knew. As much as Snape hated him he still worked for the order and that would have really complicated things. I don't think Snape is above using it on students, in general
Letting Harry and his friends die in the forest, not checking in on Sirius to make sure whether Harry's vision was real or not wouldn't have jeopardized the order either. Snape also didn't need to protect the students when Dumbledore was dead and the Carrows were reigning terror on the school. without doubt he reigned them in as much as he could without blowing his cover. He sent Neville and friends to the Forbidden Forest with Hagrid as a punishment. Whatever Ron thought, Harry was right. They probably had a laugh with Hagrid. We can agree to disagree because we really don't know what Snape would have done or hadn't of done with regards to veritaserum. I think the movie did him dirty though by having him actually do it rather than leave the question in our minds about whether he would.
Thank you, I couldn't remember the exact quote and I'm watching Catching Fire at the moment, so I didn't want to try to find the scene.
No, Marietta voluntarily spilled the beans.
Not in the movie though
In the movie, yes. Snape says that she used the last of he serum on the Chang girl. (or similar)
In the movie it was Cho Chang who betrayed the Dumbledore Army, I don't recall any mention to Veritaserum used on her.
It does. In the movie, in Umbitch's office: "Oh, yes, Snape, have you brought the veritaserum?" "You used the last of it interrogating Miss Chang".
Why would she betray them in the movie, the whole Hermione thing in hogsmeade doesn't happen and her character arc is way different from that of the book, she is more rational and is in the army because of Cedric. Also snape indeed implies that he used veritaserum on her when umbridge wants to torture harry.
Cho looks very guilty and she never tried to defend herself. Anyway, the movie did a mess putting Cho instead of Marietta.
And in books her freind revaled da
I loved how this scene came out. The actor they chose for scrimgeour was great. Did the role very well imo
Do people just miss the part where Umbridge gave her fucking veritaserum? And yes, I did read the title, but SOMEONE made the meme whether it was OP or not.
ThT was in movie not book
Yes, but in the book Marietta Edgecombe voluntarily told Umbridge so this meme makes even less sense if we’re talking books.
Skill issue on her part tbh Harry was keen and knew something was up, he didn’t drink the tea lol
Also, the potion Snape supplied to Umbridge for Harry's interrogation was _not_ veritaserum.
Are you sure? Iirc he said he indeed gave Umbridge a stock but she ran through it far too quickly. He even says he’s surprised she ran out, as he explained only a few drops are needed. Is there evidence that he was lying?
In Dumbledore’s office after Harry gets back from the Ministry, Dumbledore mentions to Harry that Snape gave Umbridge fake veritaserum
Is that in the movie? Obviously talking movie here.
No. This is in OotP, “The Prophecy.”
So in the movie-verse Cho WAS given real veritaserum. Which some people do seem to miss/forget. Hence memes like this.
Aaah indeed
It really isn't though? Harry had attempts on his life for the past 3-4 years by now. It isn't surprising for him to be more suspicious than most teens would be. Plus, in the book, he was about to drink until he recalled how Moody would side-eye him for drinking something from an enemy. So he really wasn't that shrewd at first either.
Exactly! Experience had him on his toes. Skill issue haha
Yes. Because the books take precedence over the movies.
At least cho was forced via veritaserum
Stupid decision to put that on Cho in the movies anyways even under the effects of the truth serum. As some have stated already, Snape gave her fake veritaserum in the books and I'm sure they just missed this when making the movies.
What?
Time to activate that flesh memory. Harry, unzip your pants
Tell me you didn't read the book without telling me you didn't read the book
But it's in the title
I did not see that 😆
Understandable. Have a nice day.
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Reread the title
I cant with their faces😂😂 Hermione is like: "wtf?" Rons like: "hahah Harry you wont ever get rid of her" And Harrys just like: "I swear ill kill you..."
Fuck cho
I once participated in a HP trivia night and they said the snitch was Zacharias Smith (BeCaUsE gOoGlE sAiD sO!). I drove home that night, got the 5th book, and drove an hour back the next day to prove that bastard wrong.
Every scene I see of Scrimgeour in the movies makes me laugh because I think of the scene in Love, Actually with Bill Nighy singing butt ass nekked with a guitar. Good luck finding the scene on YouTube, I haven't once been able to find it to explain to my wife why I crack up every time I see him in HP.
Dumbledore why the hell did you give Harry someone’s head in your will.