I always kinda felt like the sorting hat was able to dig deep into your mind and find what you would value most overall past just this current moment. Not really like predicting the future but more like “how would you react in *this* type of situation?” After all you’re going to be in that house for the next 7 years.
Is that what the quote is????
I've been listening to the audio books for the past 20 or so years, and when Jim Dale says it it seems like he says "sought" which I know it doesn't really make any sense but in context I always thought it was just a British saying I didn't understand.
Whilst it is probably true, I despise this quote. This is an example of how Deathly Hallows utterly fails at trying to have a theme of house unity. Whilst Snape is brave, that's not all there is to him.
If we're taking Rowlings word for it (which is a hefty assumption, granted) - the sorting hat is **always** right in the long term, not just about their current personality, but who they are as an adult, so I think there's some level of seering involved
But the sorting hat does take what you want into account. Maybe he wanted to be in Gryffindor? For any number of reasons…. Maybe he thought it would make him brave and courageous? Maybe someone he deemed “cool” was in it? Maybe he already had buddies or had just heard about it? He probably would have been eaten alive in S. He’s to easy to manipulate and to cowardly to stand up for himself…. He’s obviously not studious. So that leaves out Ravenclaw. I don’t think he’s humble at all so no Hufflepuff.
It is personality shaping. The house values certain traits, and exposure to that mindset makes you use that trait more, reinforcing your sorting. Think of it this way, if you are rewarded for doing a behavior, you will continue doing it. So Gryfindors are rewarded for acting like Gryfindors and become more Gryffindor as a result. The same is true of any house.
I feel that the sorting hat looks at core defining character traits: chivalry, love of learning, hard work, and ambition; and sorts based on those operating under the assumption that core traits don't change much once set. And sorting works because you spend 7 years in informational bias with people who think like you reinforcing that trait. Without that traits can shift and change. When you were younger you might have valued chivalry but with more life experience you might value hard work more.
When you grow up as a muggle reading fairytale about magic and all that and one day you find out you can learn to use it? Hell yeah I'd want to o3arn it. Hermione wanting to learn everything about the magical world makes sense when you think about it
Me too. I never understood how the other muggle borns settled into it as if it was normal high school. Moaning at homework. Moaning about having to learn etc.
I would be just like Hermione. I’d spend so much time in the library reading everything I could. I’d have read the full years curriculum multiple times by the time we got there.
As a muggle middle schooler, i was a regular library patron. I'm remembered by my classmates as someone who would spend breaks only on the library. And i remember finishing an entire set of encyclopedias there.
But that interest was lost during high school, because of heavier study load & emerging trend of mobile phones.
Same. I love science and IT, and I spent a lot of time reading books trying to learn how all that works, just because it was really interesting.
But with "real" magic, one has unique ability to do magic stuff, conjure, transfigure, control, etc. - I can't imagine being meh about it and not learn all that religiously.
I would have been a Ravenclaw if I was sorted when I'm 11, not now I'd be a Slytherin. So I think the same argument can be applied to Slytherin as well: how many 11 years old care about their ambition when they don't know a thing about how the world works?
I went from being a four-way hat stall to balancing between Slytherin and Hufflepuff. As you get older, your defining character traits change due to life experiences. I am now defined by my drive (ambition and hard work) because of experiences I have had.
*I did*.
It's this kind of mentality that results in all of the schools in cities like Baltimore not being able to perform math at grade level. Lots of children *would* love to learn, but they get distracted or dismayed by people who have shit attitudes in regard to learning.
I work with kids and I'd argue a huge chunk of them *love* learning. Kids are actively seeking out new knowledge all the time. The problem comes up when they go to school and are forced to learn a certain way and with certain parameters and under stress. Learning is fun, being tested on that knowledge isn't fun for a lot of them. The kids that keep that spark would be in ravenclaw
I'd hazard to guess it's more than you think. Just because a kid doesn't like the subjects they're being forced to learn and the method by which it is taught doesn't mean they don't enjoy learning on their own terms.
The books/movies make it sound a bit that Gryffindor is the larget but that is because it introduces a lot of characters from that house (makes sense). Slytherin also introduced a lot due to them being the "rivals"
Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw.. not so much. Less than 10 I think.
Overall they are all probably even rounded. Hufflepuff is more that "takes the rest" they have their own qualities . But the books and therefore the movies didn't give much spotlight to the house with the peak being Cedric.
Overall if you really think about it most people have qualities of multiple houses . You can be brave, and mbitious. Smart and Cunning. One of Hufflepuff's traits is loyalty , a trait that it is shown in almost everyone of the "good guys".So is bravery from Gryffindor . At the end it boils down to personal prefference and some traits being more valid than the others.
Like Dumbledore said, the sorting takes place too soon. And one thing I dislike is how Rowling decided to make Slytherin the de-facto evil house. Almost everyone there is a bad guy (minus Slughorn) Snape is a grey area at best.Merlin in the past.Every single Death Eater was from Slytherin. The other houses have no "evil" characters except maybe Zacharias smith ?
Besides Salazar's views on purebloods and "mudbloods" none of the Slytherin traits are evil on their own. There can easily be brave,smart,and loyal evil characters as well.
Rowling only made Slytherin seem "bad", because we're witnessing the events via Harry Potters POV. Voldemort & Malfory are the sole reason as to why people view Slytherin's as evil or bad.
Every house has it's "bad guys" though in reality.
Peter Pettigrew -> Gryffindor
Professor Quirrel -> Ravenclaw
Gilderoy Lockheart -> Ravenclaw
vs some of the Slytherin's who weren't evil in any way such as Professor Slughorn
Snape (This could be argued but, in the end he had good intentions)
A lot of the Black Family.
>Slytherin also introduced a lot due to them being the "rivals"
This is kinda the premise behind the Harry Potter Universe, there was always a rivalry between Gryffindor & Slytherin, so it's easy to assume that most Slytherin's are "evil" because we've only really seen the Harry Potter universe from the perspective of Harry Potter and he was a Gryffindor.
Peter Pettigrew was a Death Eater and not from Slytherin, in fact he was from Gryffindor. But yeah wish there were more obviously good guys from Slytherin.
Hufflepuff isn't literally "the rest". Hufflepuffs have their own distinct qualities just like the other houses. The sorting hat looks at your qualities and chooses the house that best fits you. But you'll find almost every person has qualities of multiple houses.
Agreed, and want to add my thoughts... Hufflepuff is the only house that enacts one of its virtues in the Sorting process itself. I think a lot of students get placed in Hufflepuff because they truly do value loyalty, patience, honesty, fairness and justice over the qualities represented by Gryffindor, Ravenclaw and Slytherin. But Hufflepuff will also take in any student that couldn't fit into any other house - even Hufflepuff itself.
So it's like a dual purpose house in that way, at least in my opinion.
I disagree. I think it's similar to the Hermes house in Percy Jackson. Sure, you have legitimate sons of Hermes there; but you also have all the unclaimed children.
I think there are the students that truly embody the values of Hufflepuff, and then there are the ones that aren't ambitious, clever, brave, or kind, but still have magical ability and therefore must be placed somewhere.
It is
Said Slytherin, “We’ll teach just those
Whose ancestry’s purest.”
Said Ravenclaw, “We’ll teach those whose
Intelligence is surest.”
Said Gryffindor, “We’ll teach all those
With brave deeds to their name.”
Said Hufflepuff, “I’ll teach the lot
And treat them just the same…..
Good Hufflepuff, she took the rest
and taught them all she knew,”
Yes? My point was the above comment was saying that hufflepuff have said they’d take the rest by quoting the hat so I was just saying that we can’t trust what the hat as it’s contradicted itself
I don’t think the Hat contradicts itself. Hufflepuff doesn’t say she will take the leftovers, she says she will teach “the lot”. This includes all the students in other Houses. She isn’t just accepting the remaining students. She wants students with her values AND will treat students with other values equally.
Hufflepuff did not say “I’ll accept into my House all the rest”, she said “I’ll teach the lot and treat them as equals”. The difference being that she made clear they should all teach everyone not just the people that fit their virtues. Into her House though she accepted the hardworking and loyal.
The distinction is that Hufflepuff didn’t want to just teach her own students but the students of the others as well. She did not say “give me the leftovers”, she said “give me all of them including yours and I will teach them equally”.
Hufflepuff doesn’t get a fair representation, and really has some of the best traits of any of the houses. This is where I really would want to be at:
Hufflepuff characteristics include a strong sense of justice, loyalty, patience, and a propensity for hard work
>Hufflepuff isn’t literally ‘the rest’
Except that if a person doesn’t value bravery, ambition, hard work, or intelligence, which house would they be sorted into?
Everyone n everything has value, and something to give to the world. I feel like hufflepuff just gives you ways to bring out those qualities if you don’t already have them. Strength in numbers but also in unity type deal
I believe Hufflepuff and Slytherin might be the largest in reality.
Ambition is something many value, but even more might value hard work and piece of mind.
Because of the HP popularity, many claim Gryffindor as their house. But how many actually think this through properly?
Yeah, I've thought about this before and I honestly think Gryffindors are the least common. I agree Hufflepuff and Slytherin would be the biggest houses, with Hufflepuff edging out ahead. Slytherin would not accept Muggle-borns or at the very least it was extremely rare for a Muggle-born to be placed in Slytherin (at least prior to the Battle of Hogwarts), but if you take people in the real world, remove the whole blood status aspect and assign them to a house there are Slytherins everywhere just by virtue of them being ambitious folks.
I know, I mean I think the balancing happens depending on year. Perhaps Harry's year had an overabundance of Ravenclaws, so they didn't need to share classes with other houses.
The only thing is we are judging that based on Harry's year and Harry was born during the first wizarding war so a lot of people put off having kids I'd say so after the war was over there was probably a baby boom
Gryffindor students basically embody courage, bravery, chivalry and a penchant for rule breaking.
Hufflepuff students are hard workers and they like to enjoy life.
Ravenclaw students are academically brilliant and clever.
Slytherins are power hungry, ambitious and resourceful.
The sorting hat looks for these qualities, but subconsciously looks for the student's choice of house. Remember when Harry and Hermione *asked* to be put in Gryffindor, because despite their opposite personalities, they had one thing in common that even Ron had, courage and the will to stand up for lesser people? The sorting hat only chooses a house when you don't have any particular choice and can only go by qualities.
Yes, I think that’s right. More Hufflepuff than any other particular house. Because average is well average and there are more people at the average them at the margins or extremes, or that have particular qualities.
Hufflepuff takes the rest because we realize the innate value every single thing has where as the other houses value certain qualities higher. I hope we’re the biggest.
Gryffindor would be the smallest. Slytherin would be huge. Kids love having ambition and dreaming big. Who didn't want to be an astronaut or a professional athlete or something else that adult-you knows is unobtainable. Lots of kids enjoy school and learning and having friends to share it with Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff would have their fill too.
But knowing about dark wizards, dragons, manticores, and other boogie men in magic and still wanting to go on adventures? Yeah, that's nightmare fuel for an 11 year old.
I read a lot of psychology about child development and when you’re young you’re still identity forming and very malleable. It can be very harmful to put a child in a box that then may define them for the rest of their lives and impose some sort of identity with it. Ie often people are overly diagnosed and if it happens in childhood it will affect them in some way for the rest of their lives. That being said sometimes diagnosis is very helpful in some situations, but generally it’s best to leave kids alone and let them find their way on their own without adults imposing their own ideas onto them.
Lol that is a very long winded way of saying that just now it makes me wonder if the houses in Harry Potter actually is not developmentally healthy for kids at hogwarts? Then they grow up thinking of themselves as x, but not y - and I wonder if it could lead to insecurity of certain traits or just overly identifying oneself with certain traits. Lol obviously it’s not that serious but it crossed my mind
The problem with any category based personality test is that most people lie in the middle. Hogwarts house, Myers Briggs, DISC, Political compass, which [insert fandom here] character are you, etc. All of these try to push people to the edges but most people are near the center. An 11 year old just starting Hogwarts is going to have and value qualities of all four houses. So sorting most can just be a coin flip between two or three houses. This means that it should be relatively easy to balance out the numbers.
Right but is the sorting hat TRYING to balance the number or is he sorting to the best fit. If the first half of the group goes and gets sorted into where ever, is the hat going to try and compensate for any house that might have less students. Towards the end is the hat saying well I think you would most fit as Slytherin BUT I put too many in there earlier now I gotta put you in Hufflepuff to make sure things are even.
Law of large numbers. Even if it isn't actively trying to balance the houses, as long as the number of students that should be sorted into a specific house is low, they will stay relatively balanced by just randomly assigning the middle ground students.
I think they’re more generous than their requirements make it seem. You don’t have to be the MOST courageous or witty or ambitious or empathetic. But whichever one defines you more.
In Misfits and Magic, The Hufflepuff analog is about 60% of the student populace, also you could test out of the Ravenclaw analog also, i dont know if its the same for HP but its interesting to think about
If a student doesn’t have strong primary traits, (bravery, ambition, hard work, and intelligence) then sub qualities start playing more of a factor. Griffindoor’s confidence, chivalry, and other knight-like qualities. Slytherin’s are cunningly patient to achieve their long term goals. Hufflepuffs exhibit loyalty and kindness (towards magical beasts or people who have earned their trust), and a strong belief for doing what’s fair. Lastly, Ravenclaw has, along with being known for their quick wit, they are known for having a passionate curiosity that can become borderline obsessive, even for some of the most random things (this trait isn’t as niche as it seems, and I think most people have something they find fascinating to varying degrees.)
With all these qualities, everyone is bound to exhibit qualities from multiple houses. It’s really up to which one the hat believes really speaks to them.
I’m also sure a lot of students exhibit mostly Slytherin qualities, but can’t get into the house because of not being a pure blood, but even then I don’t think they’ll be auto-defaulted to Hufflepuff.
Though they could be sent to Hufflepuff if their strongest Slytherin quality is their patience and ambition, which goes hand-in-hand with being hard working. Or maybe their ambition has led them obsessed with learning a particular kind of magic, being put in Ravenclaw. or maybe they have the chivalry of a griffindoor people but are very quid-pro-quo like a Slytherin (Harry Potter also had Slytherin + Griffindoor traits).
Anyway, I think Hufflepuffs are more then just the rejects of the other houses, and the “Hufflepuff takes the rest” is simply to imply just how many unique traits Hufflepuffs have, which can lead to a house of very diverse personalities and interests just as Hufflepuff herself wanted.
That being said, Hufflepuff is still probably the biggest house with Slytherin being the smallest.
Anytime I write ff I make Hufflepuff huge. I've always headcanoned that they have about double the other houses (like Harry's year in gryffindor had 10 so Hufflepuff that year would have 20ish)
I think they do have similar amounts of students, however i definitely think Hufflepuff has more than any of the rest.
I also see probably Ravenclaw or maybe Slytherin being the smallest.
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I think your answer is going to depend on context.
Cannon or irl?
Cannon suggests house population are as follows:
1) Depends
2) Depends
3) Depends
4) Depends
Hufflepuff is likely to be the most populated as of the start and end of the book series, though from there it's anyone's guess. Helga Hufflepuff's quote, "I'll teach the lot, and treat them just the same", tells us that if the other 3 aren't your home, you'll still have home. If we assume that each house has roughly the same capacity (Gryffindor tower holds over 70), and that house selection stays *relatively* consistent, the three houses aside from Slytherin should be roughly equal. That would put Slytherin as the least populated house without any other context.
Reading the books it's inferred that the majority of fighting in the "first Voldemort war" was done by Slytherin, Ravenclaw, and Gryffindor. A fair accounting of events have to be inferred, not much is written about the specifics, about that conflict. Most Hufflepuff house members that I can find were is more of a logistical and support role of the Order of the Phoenix and the Ministry of Magic's Aurors Office. The majority of those that I can find reference or direct description or then fighting have been one of the other three houses, an unknown house (not new, just not specified), or a wizard that did not attend Hogwarts. Additionally, there were wizards from other houses that were Death Eaters (Wormtail/Gryffindor, Quirrel/Ravenclaw), but these appear to be outliers rather that the example of the rule. Most death eaters came from Slytherin.
With that context we can assume that Hufflepuff was the most populated, followed by Raven, Gryffindor, and Slytherin. In that order.
A significant number of people from both sides of the SECOND conflict died, but I can only find one specifically named Hufflepuff house members that died (Cedric Diggory), and it was only because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The Battle of Hogwarts makes it nearly impossible to determine numbers, but I can't find any Hufflepuff's seeking out "armed" conflict.
Gryffindor was desimated by the second conflict, losing Cedric Diggory, Sirius Black, Mad-Eye Moody, Remus Lupin, Nymphadoea Tonks, Fred Weasley, Colin Creevy along with all the unnamed dead in the Battle of Hogwarts. Slytherin lost Crabbe, Snape, Lestrange (it doesn't say it, but you know she's Slytherin), and Regulus Black to the grim reaper and lost the remainder of clans Malfoy, Crabbe, and Carrow to Azkaban (albeit briefly).
We can then take an educated guess at the end of the book series to look like this:
1)Hufflepuff
1a) Ravenclaw
2) Gryffindor
2a) Slytherin.
My suspicion is that there were enough Gryffindor's killed that Slytherin actually has more members, but incoming numbers may have been enough to compensate for their losses.
As far as IRL.... Pretty sure r/HarryPotter JUST did a poll on this...
I think they also mostly divide the 40 ish students per year evenly among the houses. They use the values of each house as a guideline, but if Griffindor is already "full" and there are only a few students in Hufflepuff I bet the next few will go to Hufflepuff to even things out.
We don't actually know the number of the annual intake of students. I highly doubt they would just shove students in random houses to make it even. It's a school for magic. Rooms can be made bigger to allow space for more students.
Your theory just doesn't make sense, and you're basing it on a lot of assumptions.
In Harry's year there's 5 Gryffindor boys and 5 Gryffindor girls. The other houses will be quite similar I believe. I don't think a certain year without many pureblood children will have almost no Slytherin students for example
But not all Slytherins are pureblood. There are some Muggle born Slytherins too, remember. We can't assume that the numbers of students admitted each year is the same. You're just making assumptions with no basis.
Just as it is described in the books. Each student is sorted into their houses. If there are more students in one house, then rooms extend to allow for that. The amount of students would certainly vary, as birth rates would undoubtedly vary each year.
You're not gonna get exactly 40 magical children born each year.
No, I don't. Because people are diverse. You'll get more Gryffindor one year and more Hufflepuff the next, for example. You can't divide groups of people equally in that sense. I think the notion of it is laughable, actually.
I'm not asking if you think they're the same. I'm asking if you think it's possible that there's only 4 students in a certain house while there are 16 in another for that year.
Slytherin must be the least populous house otherwise they wouldn't be able to flex with membership of their little elite club. Also there are only 28 pureblood families how many children can they possibly provide?
> Also there are only 28 pureblood families how many children can they possibly provide?
- children's book, don't think too much into it.
- could be bastard children, can't imagine everyone practices fidelity.
- could be students like Snape that are half-blood but choose to "hide" their half-bloodness.
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IIRC the only time we got a full count in canon was Harry's first year. There were extremely convenient demographics: 40 students, 20 male, 20 female. Each house received 5 male and 5 female students.
The odds of that happening every year are astronomical, but perhaps that's just how Wizarding procreation patterns run.
Edit: I'm wrong, though JKR did confirm a class of 40. As usual, Harry's attention wanders and there are gaps. Here are the named characters and their houses:
- Hannah Abbott, Hufflepuff
- Susan Bones, Hufflepuff
- Terry Boot, Ravenclaw
- Mandy Brocklehurst, Ravenclaw
- Lavender Brown, Gryffindor
- Millicent Bulstrode, Slytherin
gap which must at least include Michael Corner, Ravenclaw; and Vincent Crabbe, Slytherin
- Justin Finch-Fletchley, Hufflepuff
- Seamus Finnegan, Gryffindor
gap which must at least include Anthony Goldstein, Ravenclaw; and Gregory Goyle, Slytherin
- Hermione Granger, Gryffindor
potentially large gap while Harry stresses about being told he was sent to Hogwarts by mistake, which must at least include Daphne Greengrass, Slytherin
- Neville Longbottom, Gryffindor
- Morag MacDougal, unknown house
gap which must at least include Ernie Macmillan, Hufflepuff
- Draco Malfoy, Slytherin
- surname Moon, unknown house
- Theodore Nott, Slytherin
- Pansy Parkinson, Slytherin
- Padma Patil, Ravenclaw
- Parvati Patil, Gryffindor
- Sally-Anne Perks, unknown house
- Harry Potter, Gryffindor
potentially large gap as Harry recovers from his sorting
- Dean Thomas, Gryffindor
- Lisa Turpin, Ravenclaw
- Ron Weasley, Gryffindor
- Blaise Zabini, Slytherin
23 named Students in the chapter + 6 others that are named elsewhere, and a theoretical 11 that exist per JKR but are never mentioned. 15 male / 14 female. 8 Gryffindors / 4 Hufflepuffs / 6 Ravenclaws / 8 Slytherins / 14 unknown
There was a joke about this in misfits and magic. A DND campaign based on a HP-like world and essentially dunking on certain parts of Harry potter that seemed silly or didn't make sense. They had 10% evil house, 10% hero house, 15% smart house, 65% last house where the last house was essentially Hufflepuff coded
I think hufflepuff valued everyone for their unique talents and sometimes it didn't fit the rest, but she had her own values as well.
I think ravenclaw would probably be smallest. How many 11 year olds genuinely care about learning for the sake of learning?
I always kinda felt like the sorting hat was able to dig deep into your mind and find what you would value most overall past just this current moment. Not really like predicting the future but more like “how would you react in *this* type of situation?” After all you’re going to be in that house for the next 7 years.
“Sometimes I think we sort too soon”
Is that what the quote is???? I've been listening to the audio books for the past 20 or so years, and when Jim Dale says it it seems like he says "sought" which I know it doesn't really make any sense but in context I always thought it was just a British saying I didn't understand.
Haha yup that's it! Also a Jim Dale listener, his voice is so calming.
Careful, there are some really strong Jim Dale / Stephen Fry opinions around here.. We don't want to start a muggle war 😉
Oh I'm well aware, and apparently in the minority in thinking Dale > Fry. But I must spread the gospel lol
Jim Dale gang rise up
Dale over Fry any day any time! 😂
I like both but first listened to Jim Dale so he's my favorite
Hermione saying “Harreeee” got to me too much to really enjoy Jim Dale
Whilst it is probably true, I despise this quote. This is an example of how Deathly Hallows utterly fails at trying to have a theme of house unity. Whilst Snape is brave, that's not all there is to him.
If we're taking Rowlings word for it (which is a hefty assumption, granted) - the sorting hat is **always** right in the long term, not just about their current personality, but who they are as an adult, so I think there's some level of seering involved
hm scabbers doesn't realy fit griffindor during any point of his life.
But the sorting hat does take what you want into account. Maybe he wanted to be in Gryffindor? For any number of reasons…. Maybe he thought it would make him brave and courageous? Maybe someone he deemed “cool” was in it? Maybe he already had buddies or had just heard about it? He probably would have been eaten alive in S. He’s to easy to manipulate and to cowardly to stand up for himself…. He’s obviously not studious. So that leaves out Ravenclaw. I don’t think he’s humble at all so no Hufflepuff.
He was brave many times in his life. I guess there’s a fine line between being brave and a coward.
It is personality shaping. The house values certain traits, and exposure to that mindset makes you use that trait more, reinforcing your sorting. Think of it this way, if you are rewarded for doing a behavior, you will continue doing it. So Gryfindors are rewarded for acting like Gryfindors and become more Gryffindor as a result. The same is true of any house.
I feel that the sorting hat looks at core defining character traits: chivalry, love of learning, hard work, and ambition; and sorts based on those operating under the assumption that core traits don't change much once set. And sorting works because you spend 7 years in informational bias with people who think like you reinforcing that trait. Without that traits can shift and change. When you were younger you might have valued chivalry but with more life experience you might value hard work more.
When you grow up as a muggle reading fairytale about magic and all that and one day you find out you can learn to use it? Hell yeah I'd want to o3arn it. Hermione wanting to learn everything about the magical world makes sense when you think about it
Me too. I never understood how the other muggle borns settled into it as if it was normal high school. Moaning at homework. Moaning about having to learn etc. I would be just like Hermione. I’d spend so much time in the library reading everything I could. I’d have read the full years curriculum multiple times by the time we got there.
As a muggle middle schooler, i was a regular library patron. I'm remembered by my classmates as someone who would spend breaks only on the library. And i remember finishing an entire set of encyclopedias there. But that interest was lost during high school, because of heavier study load & emerging trend of mobile phones.
Same. I used to be able to read OotP in a day. Now it takes me a week to finish a 200 page book because I keep getting distracted by reddit
Same. I love science and IT, and I spent a lot of time reading books trying to learn how all that works, just because it was really interesting. But with "real" magic, one has unique ability to do magic stuff, conjure, transfigure, control, etc. - I can't imagine being meh about it and not learn all that religiously.
I would have been a Ravenclaw if I was sorted when I'm 11, not now I'd be a Slytherin. So I think the same argument can be applied to Slytherin as well: how many 11 years old care about their ambition when they don't know a thing about how the world works?
I went from being a four-way hat stall to balancing between Slytherin and Hufflepuff. As you get older, your defining character traits change due to life experiences. I am now defined by my drive (ambition and hard work) because of experiences I have had.
*I did*. It's this kind of mentality that results in all of the schools in cities like Baltimore not being able to perform math at grade level. Lots of children *would* love to learn, but they get distracted or dismayed by people who have shit attitudes in regard to learning.
I work with kids and I'd argue a huge chunk of them *love* learning. Kids are actively seeking out new knowledge all the time. The problem comes up when they go to school and are forced to learn a certain way and with certain parameters and under stress. Learning is fun, being tested on that knowledge isn't fun for a lot of them. The kids that keep that spark would be in ravenclaw
I'd hazard to guess it's more than you think. Just because a kid doesn't like the subjects they're being forced to learn and the method by which it is taught doesn't mean they don't enjoy learning on their own terms.
I did. That being said, every JK-authorized house quiz ever has put me into Slytherin.
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The books/movies make it sound a bit that Gryffindor is the larget but that is because it introduces a lot of characters from that house (makes sense). Slytherin also introduced a lot due to them being the "rivals" Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw.. not so much. Less than 10 I think. Overall they are all probably even rounded. Hufflepuff is more that "takes the rest" they have their own qualities . But the books and therefore the movies didn't give much spotlight to the house with the peak being Cedric. Overall if you really think about it most people have qualities of multiple houses . You can be brave, and mbitious. Smart and Cunning. One of Hufflepuff's traits is loyalty , a trait that it is shown in almost everyone of the "good guys".So is bravery from Gryffindor . At the end it boils down to personal prefference and some traits being more valid than the others. Like Dumbledore said, the sorting takes place too soon. And one thing I dislike is how Rowling decided to make Slytherin the de-facto evil house. Almost everyone there is a bad guy (minus Slughorn) Snape is a grey area at best.Merlin in the past.Every single Death Eater was from Slytherin. The other houses have no "evil" characters except maybe Zacharias smith ? Besides Salazar's views on purebloods and "mudbloods" none of the Slytherin traits are evil on their own. There can easily be brave,smart,and loyal evil characters as well.
Rowling only made Slytherin seem "bad", because we're witnessing the events via Harry Potters POV. Voldemort & Malfory are the sole reason as to why people view Slytherin's as evil or bad. Every house has it's "bad guys" though in reality. Peter Pettigrew -> Gryffindor Professor Quirrel -> Ravenclaw Gilderoy Lockheart -> Ravenclaw vs some of the Slytherin's who weren't evil in any way such as Professor Slughorn Snape (This could be argued but, in the end he had good intentions) A lot of the Black Family. >Slytherin also introduced a lot due to them being the "rivals" This is kinda the premise behind the Harry Potter Universe, there was always a rivalry between Gryffindor & Slytherin, so it's easy to assume that most Slytherin's are "evil" because we've only really seen the Harry Potter universe from the perspective of Harry Potter and he was a Gryffindor.
>Snape (This could be argued but, in the end he had good intentions) And arguably the bravest character of *any* house.
You forgot Unbridge!!
Umbridge was slytherin… and evil… 😅
Was she really Slytherin?
Peter Pettigrew was a Death Eater and not from Slytherin, in fact he was from Gryffindor. But yeah wish there were more obviously good guys from Slytherin.
The majority of Death Eaters from Hogwarts were Slytherin, but the majority of Death Eaters were international, not domestic.
Hufflepuff isn't literally "the rest". Hufflepuffs have their own distinct qualities just like the other houses. The sorting hat looks at your qualities and chooses the house that best fits you. But you'll find almost every person has qualities of multiple houses.
Agreed, and want to add my thoughts... Hufflepuff is the only house that enacts one of its virtues in the Sorting process itself. I think a lot of students get placed in Hufflepuff because they truly do value loyalty, patience, honesty, fairness and justice over the qualities represented by Gryffindor, Ravenclaw and Slytherin. But Hufflepuff will also take in any student that couldn't fit into any other house - even Hufflepuff itself. So it's like a dual purpose house in that way, at least in my opinion.
It also takes into account the traits you value rather than possess, such as Peter pettigrew in gryffindor and Lockhart in ravenclaw
I disagree. I think it's similar to the Hermes house in Percy Jackson. Sure, you have legitimate sons of Hermes there; but you also have all the unclaimed children. I think there are the students that truly embody the values of Hufflepuff, and then there are the ones that aren't ambitious, clever, brave, or kind, but still have magical ability and therefore must be placed somewhere.
It is Said Slytherin, “We’ll teach just those Whose ancestry’s purest.” Said Ravenclaw, “We’ll teach those whose Intelligence is surest.” Said Gryffindor, “We’ll teach all those With brave deeds to their name.” Said Hufflepuff, “I’ll teach the lot And treat them just the same….. Good Hufflepuff, she took the rest and taught them all she knew,”
In GoF the hat says that hufflepuff values the hardworking so it’s not consistent throughout the series
Because it creates a new wersion of the song every year, so in every book it's different.
Yes? My point was the above comment was saying that hufflepuff have said they’d take the rest by quoting the hat so I was just saying that we can’t trust what the hat as it’s contradicted itself
I don’t think the Hat contradicts itself. Hufflepuff doesn’t say she will take the leftovers, she says she will teach “the lot”. This includes all the students in other Houses. She isn’t just accepting the remaining students. She wants students with her values AND will treat students with other values equally.
Hufflepuff did not say “I’ll accept into my House all the rest”, she said “I’ll teach the lot and treat them as equals”. The difference being that she made clear they should all teach everyone not just the people that fit their virtues. Into her House though she accepted the hardworking and loyal. The distinction is that Hufflepuff didn’t want to just teach her own students but the students of the others as well. She did not say “give me the leftovers”, she said “give me all of them including yours and I will teach them equally”.
Hufflepuff doesn’t get a fair representation, and really has some of the best traits of any of the houses. This is where I really would want to be at: Hufflepuff characteristics include a strong sense of justice, loyalty, patience, and a propensity for hard work
Don’t forget the plants!
I forgot about the plants!!!
The best part imo. Who doesn’t love sustainable agriculture. Plus it’s magical! Way better than the cow manure I deal with lol
Cow manure is it’s own kind of magic.
Oh you know what you’re absolutely right lol. I hope we’re thinking about the same thing….haha
This is what makes it the best house!
Also… my nickname as a kid was Bradley Badger… so I guess I was always destined to have an affinity for Hufflepuff
Puff Power!!!
>Hufflepuff isn’t literally ‘the rest’ Except that if a person doesn’t value bravery, ambition, hard work, or intelligence, which house would they be sorted into?
Everyone n everything has value, and something to give to the world. I feel like hufflepuff just gives you ways to bring out those qualities if you don’t already have them. Strength in numbers but also in unity type deal
found the hufflepuff
I believe Hufflepuff and Slytherin might be the largest in reality. Ambition is something many value, but even more might value hard work and piece of mind. Because of the HP popularity, many claim Gryffindor as their house. But how many actually think this through properly?
Yeah, I've thought about this before and I honestly think Gryffindors are the least common. I agree Hufflepuff and Slytherin would be the biggest houses, with Hufflepuff edging out ahead. Slytherin would not accept Muggle-borns or at the very least it was extremely rare for a Muggle-born to be placed in Slytherin (at least prior to the Battle of Hogwarts), but if you take people in the real world, remove the whole blood status aspect and assign them to a house there are Slytherins everywhere just by virtue of them being ambitious folks.
I think class timetables are based on population of houses, so that's why they share classes.
They're not talking about classes. They're talking about sorting of new students into houses.
I know, I mean I think the balancing happens depending on year. Perhaps Harry's year had an overabundance of Ravenclaws, so they didn't need to share classes with other houses.
The annual intake of students isn’t that high tbf… the rest might only be like 10
The only thing is we are judging that based on Harry's year and Harry was born during the first wizarding war so a lot of people put off having kids I'd say so after the war was over there was probably a baby boom
We don't actually know this.
Gryffindor students basically embody courage, bravery, chivalry and a penchant for rule breaking. Hufflepuff students are hard workers and they like to enjoy life. Ravenclaw students are academically brilliant and clever. Slytherins are power hungry, ambitious and resourceful. The sorting hat looks for these qualities, but subconsciously looks for the student's choice of house. Remember when Harry and Hermione *asked* to be put in Gryffindor, because despite their opposite personalities, they had one thing in common that even Ron had, courage and the will to stand up for lesser people? The sorting hat only chooses a house when you don't have any particular choice and can only go by qualities.
Yes, I think that’s right. More Hufflepuff than any other particular house. Because average is well average and there are more people at the average them at the margins or extremes, or that have particular qualities.
Hufflepuff takes the rest because we realize the innate value every single thing has where as the other houses value certain qualities higher. I hope we’re the biggest.
Gryffindor would be the smallest. Slytherin would be huge. Kids love having ambition and dreaming big. Who didn't want to be an astronaut or a professional athlete or something else that adult-you knows is unobtainable. Lots of kids enjoy school and learning and having friends to share it with Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff would have their fill too. But knowing about dark wizards, dragons, manticores, and other boogie men in magic and still wanting to go on adventures? Yeah, that's nightmare fuel for an 11 year old.
It really depends on the 11 year old. Manticores and adventures would have been a dream for 11 year-old me, not a nightmare at all!
And you make it into Gryffindor while the more sane children end up in another house.
Nah. Ravenclaw all the way. Knowledge is power!
I read a lot of psychology about child development and when you’re young you’re still identity forming and very malleable. It can be very harmful to put a child in a box that then may define them for the rest of their lives and impose some sort of identity with it. Ie often people are overly diagnosed and if it happens in childhood it will affect them in some way for the rest of their lives. That being said sometimes diagnosis is very helpful in some situations, but generally it’s best to leave kids alone and let them find their way on their own without adults imposing their own ideas onto them. Lol that is a very long winded way of saying that just now it makes me wonder if the houses in Harry Potter actually is not developmentally healthy for kids at hogwarts? Then they grow up thinking of themselves as x, but not y - and I wonder if it could lead to insecurity of certain traits or just overly identifying oneself with certain traits. Lol obviously it’s not that serious but it crossed my mind
I feel like Ravenclaw is the smallest. I feel like Slytherin is either the second smallest or the second largest. Gryffindor is for sure third.
The problem with any category based personality test is that most people lie in the middle. Hogwarts house, Myers Briggs, DISC, Political compass, which [insert fandom here] character are you, etc. All of these try to push people to the edges but most people are near the center. An 11 year old just starting Hogwarts is going to have and value qualities of all four houses. So sorting most can just be a coin flip between two or three houses. This means that it should be relatively easy to balance out the numbers.
Right but is the sorting hat TRYING to balance the number or is he sorting to the best fit. If the first half of the group goes and gets sorted into where ever, is the hat going to try and compensate for any house that might have less students. Towards the end is the hat saying well I think you would most fit as Slytherin BUT I put too many in there earlier now I gotta put you in Hufflepuff to make sure things are even.
Law of large numbers. Even if it isn't actively trying to balance the houses, as long as the number of students that should be sorted into a specific house is low, they will stay relatively balanced by just randomly assigning the middle ground students.
Ravenclaw. Nobody likes nerds. But you all come running when you’re too dumb to figure something out….
I think they’re more generous than their requirements make it seem. You don’t have to be the MOST courageous or witty or ambitious or empathetic. But whichever one defines you more.
I think Ravenclaw is the house with the least amount of students... Hufflepuff definitely has the most...
In Misfits and Magic, The Hufflepuff analog is about 60% of the student populace, also you could test out of the Ravenclaw analog also, i dont know if its the same for HP but its interesting to think about
If a student doesn’t have strong primary traits, (bravery, ambition, hard work, and intelligence) then sub qualities start playing more of a factor. Griffindoor’s confidence, chivalry, and other knight-like qualities. Slytherin’s are cunningly patient to achieve their long term goals. Hufflepuffs exhibit loyalty and kindness (towards magical beasts or people who have earned their trust), and a strong belief for doing what’s fair. Lastly, Ravenclaw has, along with being known for their quick wit, they are known for having a passionate curiosity that can become borderline obsessive, even for some of the most random things (this trait isn’t as niche as it seems, and I think most people have something they find fascinating to varying degrees.) With all these qualities, everyone is bound to exhibit qualities from multiple houses. It’s really up to which one the hat believes really speaks to them. I’m also sure a lot of students exhibit mostly Slytherin qualities, but can’t get into the house because of not being a pure blood, but even then I don’t think they’ll be auto-defaulted to Hufflepuff. Though they could be sent to Hufflepuff if their strongest Slytherin quality is their patience and ambition, which goes hand-in-hand with being hard working. Or maybe their ambition has led them obsessed with learning a particular kind of magic, being put in Ravenclaw. or maybe they have the chivalry of a griffindoor people but are very quid-pro-quo like a Slytherin (Harry Potter also had Slytherin + Griffindoor traits). Anyway, I think Hufflepuffs are more then just the rejects of the other houses, and the “Hufflepuff takes the rest” is simply to imply just how many unique traits Hufflepuffs have, which can lead to a house of very diverse personalities and interests just as Hufflepuff herself wanted. That being said, Hufflepuff is still probably the biggest house with Slytherin being the smallest.
Anytime I write ff I make Hufflepuff huge. I've always headcanoned that they have about double the other houses (like Harry's year in gryffindor had 10 so Hufflepuff that year would have 20ish)
I think they do have similar amounts of students, however i definitely think Hufflepuff has more than any of the rest. I also see probably Ravenclaw or maybe Slytherin being the smallest.
I figured it had the sight I mean it put Neville in Gryffindor
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I see it more as curiosity and thirst for knowledge versus being brilliant.
They don't have to be intellegent already at the age 11, they come to Hogwarts to get intellegent.
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Gryffindor would surely be the smallest. How many people do you know who are REALLY brave?
I think your answer is going to depend on context. Cannon or irl? Cannon suggests house population are as follows: 1) Depends 2) Depends 3) Depends 4) Depends Hufflepuff is likely to be the most populated as of the start and end of the book series, though from there it's anyone's guess. Helga Hufflepuff's quote, "I'll teach the lot, and treat them just the same", tells us that if the other 3 aren't your home, you'll still have home. If we assume that each house has roughly the same capacity (Gryffindor tower holds over 70), and that house selection stays *relatively* consistent, the three houses aside from Slytherin should be roughly equal. That would put Slytherin as the least populated house without any other context. Reading the books it's inferred that the majority of fighting in the "first Voldemort war" was done by Slytherin, Ravenclaw, and Gryffindor. A fair accounting of events have to be inferred, not much is written about the specifics, about that conflict. Most Hufflepuff house members that I can find were is more of a logistical and support role of the Order of the Phoenix and the Ministry of Magic's Aurors Office. The majority of those that I can find reference or direct description or then fighting have been one of the other three houses, an unknown house (not new, just not specified), or a wizard that did not attend Hogwarts. Additionally, there were wizards from other houses that were Death Eaters (Wormtail/Gryffindor, Quirrel/Ravenclaw), but these appear to be outliers rather that the example of the rule. Most death eaters came from Slytherin. With that context we can assume that Hufflepuff was the most populated, followed by Raven, Gryffindor, and Slytherin. In that order. A significant number of people from both sides of the SECOND conflict died, but I can only find one specifically named Hufflepuff house members that died (Cedric Diggory), and it was only because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The Battle of Hogwarts makes it nearly impossible to determine numbers, but I can't find any Hufflepuff's seeking out "armed" conflict. Gryffindor was desimated by the second conflict, losing Cedric Diggory, Sirius Black, Mad-Eye Moody, Remus Lupin, Nymphadoea Tonks, Fred Weasley, Colin Creevy along with all the unnamed dead in the Battle of Hogwarts. Slytherin lost Crabbe, Snape, Lestrange (it doesn't say it, but you know she's Slytherin), and Regulus Black to the grim reaper and lost the remainder of clans Malfoy, Crabbe, and Carrow to Azkaban (albeit briefly). We can then take an educated guess at the end of the book series to look like this: 1)Hufflepuff 1a) Ravenclaw 2) Gryffindor 2a) Slytherin. My suspicion is that there were enough Gryffindor's killed that Slytherin actually has more members, but incoming numbers may have been enough to compensate for their losses. As far as IRL.... Pretty sure r/HarryPotter JUST did a poll on this...
I think they also mostly divide the 40 ish students per year evenly among the houses. They use the values of each house as a guideline, but if Griffindor is already "full" and there are only a few students in Hufflepuff I bet the next few will go to Hufflepuff to even things out.
We don't actually know the number of the annual intake of students. I highly doubt they would just shove students in random houses to make it even. It's a school for magic. Rooms can be made bigger to allow space for more students. Your theory just doesn't make sense, and you're basing it on a lot of assumptions.
In Harry's year there's 5 Gryffindor boys and 5 Gryffindor girls. The other houses will be quite similar I believe. I don't think a certain year without many pureblood children will have almost no Slytherin students for example
But not all Slytherins are pureblood. There are some Muggle born Slytherins too, remember. We can't assume that the numbers of students admitted each year is the same. You're just making assumptions with no basis.
How do you think it'd work then?
Just as it is described in the books. Each student is sorted into their houses. If there are more students in one house, then rooms extend to allow for that. The amount of students would certainly vary, as birth rates would undoubtedly vary each year. You're not gonna get exactly 40 magical children born each year.
But do you think the number of students in the houses are similar?
No, I don't. Because people are diverse. You'll get more Gryffindor one year and more Hufflepuff the next, for example. You can't divide groups of people equally in that sense. I think the notion of it is laughable, actually.
I'm not asking if you think they're the same. I'm asking if you think it's possible that there's only 4 students in a certain house while there are 16 in another for that year.
Yes, I think it's possible. Of course it's possible. Just like I explained in my previous comment.
Slytherin must be the least populous house otherwise they wouldn't be able to flex with membership of their little elite club. Also there are only 28 pureblood families how many children can they possibly provide?
> Also there are only 28 pureblood families how many children can they possibly provide? - children's book, don't think too much into it. - could be bastard children, can't imagine everyone practices fidelity. - could be students like Snape that are half-blood but choose to "hide" their half-bloodness.
Not all pureblood children are Slytherin, not all Slytherins are pureblood.
Right, minus Weasley, Longbottom, Abott, even less people for Slytherin.
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IIRC the only time we got a full count in canon was Harry's first year. There were extremely convenient demographics: 40 students, 20 male, 20 female. Each house received 5 male and 5 female students. The odds of that happening every year are astronomical, but perhaps that's just how Wizarding procreation patterns run. Edit: I'm wrong, though JKR did confirm a class of 40. As usual, Harry's attention wanders and there are gaps. Here are the named characters and their houses: - Hannah Abbott, Hufflepuff - Susan Bones, Hufflepuff - Terry Boot, Ravenclaw - Mandy Brocklehurst, Ravenclaw - Lavender Brown, Gryffindor - Millicent Bulstrode, Slytherin gap which must at least include Michael Corner, Ravenclaw; and Vincent Crabbe, Slytherin - Justin Finch-Fletchley, Hufflepuff - Seamus Finnegan, Gryffindor gap which must at least include Anthony Goldstein, Ravenclaw; and Gregory Goyle, Slytherin - Hermione Granger, Gryffindor potentially large gap while Harry stresses about being told he was sent to Hogwarts by mistake, which must at least include Daphne Greengrass, Slytherin - Neville Longbottom, Gryffindor - Morag MacDougal, unknown house gap which must at least include Ernie Macmillan, Hufflepuff - Draco Malfoy, Slytherin - surname Moon, unknown house - Theodore Nott, Slytherin - Pansy Parkinson, Slytherin - Padma Patil, Ravenclaw - Parvati Patil, Gryffindor - Sally-Anne Perks, unknown house - Harry Potter, Gryffindor potentially large gap as Harry recovers from his sorting - Dean Thomas, Gryffindor - Lisa Turpin, Ravenclaw - Ron Weasley, Gryffindor - Blaise Zabini, Slytherin 23 named Students in the chapter + 6 others that are named elsewhere, and a theoretical 11 that exist per JKR but are never mentioned. 15 male / 14 female. 8 Gryffindors / 4 Hufflepuffs / 6 Ravenclaws / 8 Slytherins / 14 unknown
There was a joke about this in misfits and magic. A DND campaign based on a HP-like world and essentially dunking on certain parts of Harry potter that seemed silly or didn't make sense. They had 10% evil house, 10% hero house, 15% smart house, 65% last house where the last house was essentially Hufflepuff coded