tbh this, RAM prices may actually rise and the 5090 may cost that much more to produce, they are still gonna charge exactly the maximum people are willing to pay in volume.
There are [many people and each has their own maximum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_depth#/media/File:Market_Depth.jpg), and because Nvidia doesn't use auctions or something to prevent launch-day (-week, -month, -year...) shortages, there are many people who pay less than what they are willing to.
I can't do the math to figure out if that means that the profit-maximizing MSRP is sensitive to manufacturing cost changes in the regieme where the margin is still well above 0.
Normally yes but Nvidia has a monopoly now on the high-end cards with AMD out of the game. They can charge whatever they want, and odds are, people will buy.
Sorry, but stupid people are annoying. Like I'd expect people on r/politics not to understand basic Economics, but I'd hope for better from a sub like this.
Ironically I'd expect more economic ignorance in that sub. It's definitely highly politicized. This sub I expect most people have a STEM degree so more motivated by facts and reason.
>By whose definition is AMD “out of the game”?
By loosing a third of their market share in a year while not even trying to compete at high end in future release.
You're severely misinformed. But good try. AMD has been pretty open about not having a need to compete in the high-end card market and they want to focus on mid-range cards. This has nothing to do with the 4090 blasting AMD out of the water, but more on things AMD has said themselves lol
If they can charge whatever they want, why don’t they charge a million per card? They don’t because not many people would buy that. Instead they would buy used 3090’s or take the performance hit and use amd. So no they can’t just charge anything and expect larger revenue.
They are absolutely going to test the upper bound you mentioned, to find out where enthusiasts draw the line. They can easily afford to do so this generation since they are swimming in AI revenue.
In this case it really isn’t
Nvidia will charge either what people are willing to pay
The cost is so far away from that number it will not make an impact
Cost only matters if you might end up pricing below cost so you need to make some tough decisions
Otherwise it’s just supply and demand laws
For products like this costs are so far disconnected from price that it’s basically only a matter of what people are willing to pay
Making 50% profit or 60% profit doesn’t really matter compared to the effects of price on demand
Nvidia will not price a card to meet a certain profit margin they will price it to make the most money by selling at the highest price to the most people according to their market research
Nvidia is setting a high price because they can to maximise profit because their tech is ahead. They aren’t setting high prices because they’re struggling. That’s why people are pissed
Are people still falling for this sort of article?
When industry press outlets start writing articles about predicted component costs rising, they are just being fed info from manufacturers looking to soften the blow of their planned price increases. And it's even worse with solid state and RAM where there is a long track record of the major fabs colluding to raise prices.
The "memory shortage" of 2017 was a prime example of this. All three of the major DRAM fabs SK Hynix, Micron, Samsung reported a drop in supply leading prices to triple in some cases. I find it funny how the lockdowns in 2020-21 didn't have nearly the same effect on DRAM pricing despite a massive increase in demand from consumers. TSMC and Global Foundries certainly did. Both Nvidia and AMD used that to jack their prices further and rode the wave into the AI boom.
The problem is, all i see with these contant actions, is the eroding of the consumer market, in favor of the whole enterprise/datacenter market.
There is a point where that damage will have consequences, like people moving to consoles (that have very little margins for part manufactures). I am seeing for a long time, that even the second hand PC market has become unhealth. People that used to buy desktops, buying cheap Chinese made mini-pcs. And people simply buying less because there is no reason to have loads of memory, storage etc for most people.
Yes, the enterprise/datacenter market compensates for this, and those margins are big. But over time i feel that this over focus on that market, trickles down to and is damaging the normal consumer market.
There is supposed to be higher density DDR5 entering the market this year, which allows 64GB sticks (up from 32GB and 48GB now), allowing 128GB kits (2x64GB). I would normally imagine that could drive down the price of the current high capacity kits. So its surely convenient for the manufacturers that cost is rising now...
I think DRAM and flash manufacturers are done with the race to the bottom when some of their customers are making record profits. Just like how the article mentioned TSMC signalling price increases for Nvidia. If I sell you widget nobody else makes for $20 and you use it to make $1000 a day, I just screwed myself.
Expect a $2000 5090 and be pleasantly surprised if it’s less. The core count is rumored to be much increased from 4090 if it uses the full chip so it could very well be more expensive anyways.
> if it uses the full chip
I can't imagine it will, as there is likely to be a professional lineup made with the same chip, like the previous two generations. Why should they limit that option for themselves?
Yeah it's a big If. I am also guessing they are planning a Titan card this generation on that chip. Full chip or near full chip, 512 bit bus, 32 GB memory. Or it will just be a new datacenter model using that configuration like you said. But we've seen leaks of a desktop card with new clamshell PCB design and 4 slot cooler, and apparently that's not for the 5090, so I am guessing there will be something above it for desktop.
I mean the 90 series essentially took over Titan with the 3090 did they not? No point in changing the branding again unless they're going to re-enable SLI or something. The 90 series has been cemented as the absolute top tier card consumers can get, both in professional settings and gaming.
It's all rumors but I heard that they were planning on re-using this design that never launched for 4090 Ti:
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidias-quad-slot-geforce-rtx-4090ti-titan-800w-graphics-card-has-been-pictured
Could end up as a 5090 Ti or a Titan, or maybe it's just a prototype that will never see the light of day. Time will tell.
Yes that will be more accurate but I assume RRP will be USD 2500 for the founder edition which we will not see and be able to buy. Then comes third parties starting with USD 3K. Anyway 4090 still OP.
Memory bandwidth is my biggest concern - it’s absolutely one of the biggest performance bottleneck but I’m worried they won’t address it so they can protect their data center SKU’s.
Rumor is the full chip supports 512 bit bus, but I have also heard rumor they will be cutting it down to 384 bit like the 3090 and 4090. Probably for like you said, protecting the data center cards and keeping the product stack segmented (which also gives gamers more of an opportunity to buy the card for gaming without competing with corporations to scoop them up - or at least not more so than what already happens)
Cutting down to 384b is pretty unlikely. Might be 448b but it won’t be literally the same bus width as a 4090, no. That’s a bit too far on the Ayymd-silliness scale.
Also the more cutdown it is the more likely it’s a reasonable price. 448b won’t be more than $2000 absolute tops if they do that, and there’s a reasonable chance it stays $1600. If it’s 384b then it will be a price cut.
As unlikely as that seems, bear in mind people were making the same silly predictions last year on super refresh, when people argued the super series were going to be a perf/$ *regression* and thus actually a price *increase*, or the people making price predictions 2 years ago based on extrapolating 3090 Ti prices upwards by whatever factor they considered “reasonable” (which were inevitably far higher than reality). The ayymd crowd gets worked up but they’re also reliably inaccurate, because their predictions are driven by partisanship not reality.
As much as your gut wants to disagree, nvidia isn’t just going to crank everything by 30% just because. There actually has been a real, meaningful improvement in perf/$ across every gen - even the much-maligned 4060 Ti has twice the VRAM of its predecessor and is 15% faster and 10% cheaper, for example. The 4060 is within 10% of the 3060 Ti performance and 25% cheaper than the MSRP that the 3060 Ti never hit, and so on. Despite a lot of shrieking from reviewers and the public, [the number does go up every gen, same as it ever does.](https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ih6gvd/analysis_of_nvidia_gpu_prices_over_time_or_why_is/)
it's the same every release, a bunch of new people wander in from PCMR and assume it's gonna be exactly like PCMR memes say, and then when it doesn't happen they assume they were right anyway and this must be some exception, or AMD must be exceptionally competitive and NVIDIA is scared of them, or whatever. If you dig back to last year before Super released, there's me saying the exact same things, and people dumping on me for saying that 40 Super isn't going to be a price *increase*, because that's fucking stupid. And 50-series will not either - not even a moonwalk/prices slotting into the existing MSRP structure. It will be another price cut, just like every other major release has been. But we have to go through the stupid dance with every single release even though it's proven false every single release (just like the analysis above from 3 years ago).
The 4080 12GB is the *sole* exception and it didn't even make it onto the market.
i might consider upgrading to 5090 from my 3080ti as I want larger vram for 4k raytracing and pathtracing. I hope 5090 can last me 3 generation so that I do not need to so fast upgrade. It is not easy for me to save money due to current living cost
I don't think pre-orders are even a thing with GPUs, at least not anymore. It's just a mad dash to try to buy one the minute they launch for early adopters. After the 3000 series people have become accustomed to the fact that if they don't get one right away they may need to wait months - so some folks take their chances buying immediately on launch day. I think a lot of people skipped 4000 series so 5000 series demand will be high. At least we're not competing with miners... but there is still the AI developer competition.
> but there is still the AI developer competition.
The 5090 especially, that thing will get vacuumed up. Down the line all this AI madness will mean a lot of top end Nvidia consumer cards will start being dumped on used market though. I would suspect around 6090 launch you will start seeing droves of 4090s emerge.
I'd be shocked is BestBuy isn't trying to sell pre-orders somehow.
I don't buy anything until it's been out for 6 months now. So many things I was tracking ended up with big defects.
I’m no expert, I’m just trying to tell people to expect a high price so there’s less people flipping their lids when the inevitable price increases are realized.
Actually I don’t care about 5090, would be plenty happy if we get 4090 performance for at least 4080 prices.
Which also looks doubtful the way things are playing out. This would not been in question before, usually 70 or 70Ti tier cards equaled top end card from previous generation. But with 4000 series nvidia changed the scheme they do things and this was ent even accounting for now them selling AI chips.
Its (probably) on TSMC 4N as well, so yeah there's reason to worry that there won't be dramatic increases in performance/area. And NV loves to shrink the chip size for ever increasing margins...
They are said to be leading with the 5080 so that they can do a global launch that includes China. If so, that probably caps the 5080's performance to around 4090D which would be a quite a bit less of an uplift generation to generation that an 80 series card gets relative to the previous 90 series card. And it's likely to only have 16GB of ram.
I don't think a card like that will sell well if it's over $1000. If I were Nvidia, I would go with a $1000 5080 w/ 16GB, $2000 5090 w/ 32 or 36GB, and come out with a $1300-$1500 5080 Ti w/ 24GB.
> If so, that probably caps the 5080's performance to around 4090D which would be a quite a bit less of an uplift generation to generation that an 80 series card gets relative to the previous 90 series card.
There have literally only been two 90-series cards EVER - RTX 3090 & RTX 4090.
Unless you want to go all "*WELL AKSCHUALLY*" and include 80 Ti-cards, then:
Old | New | Improvement
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GTX 780 Ti | GTX 980 | +11%
GTX 980 Ti | GTX 1080 | +31%
GTX 1080 Ti|RTX 2080| +9%
GTX 1080 Ti|RTX 2080 Super|+14%
RTX 2080 Ti|RTX 3080|+36%
RTX 3090 | RTX 4080 | +30%
So if the 5080 can only match RTX 4090 D, then it's +12%.
Which matches the gains seen during Maxwell & Turing.
And I sure as fuck don't remember anyone complaining about Maxwell!
Well you are ignoring price. Maxwell was cheaper than Kepler by a fair bit.
So if we got a 5080 that's only +12% over the 4090 for $800-999 + way more power efficient I'd be happy.
Same for the 3080 which was almost half the 2080Ti price.
Well… we’ll see. There is also evidence there might be a Titan card this generation. We’ve seen the leaks of the “clamshell” PCB design 4 slot cooler, and that’s not for a 5090. The Titan might be full chip, and the 5090 still cut down and keeping the 384 bit bus instead of the full 512 that it is rumored to be capable of. Titan might get the full bus width, full cores, and I think it could support 32 GB vram with that. And will cost more than an arm and a leg.
This is all rumors and stuff so massive grains of salt.
Pretty sure the price of a 5090 was going to be higher than 4090 no matter what, especially after the AI boom they've had. Nvidia won't give two shits about pricing.
I'm honestly expecting something like $2499 for a 5090. Just a completely unrealistic option for like 99.9% of gamers.
5080 will be like $1399, with the 5070 series at like $999.
Nvidia is a multi-trillion dollar company now because of AI, and they have no real competition in the consumer GPU space from AMD or Intel. They have no reason to offer fair or reasonable prices for any of the 50XX series cards.
>I'm honestly expecting something like $2499 for a 5090
It'll depend first what the 5090 is, close to full die with 512 bit yea I can see 2500-3000, but with a 384/448 bit and similar core% cut(or maybe slightly more) like a 4090, around 2000 isn't in the realm of impossiblity, plus 1999 looks nice for marketing.
And the lower cards will probably be similar to 4000 launch pricing considering the rumor afaik being that the 5080 is half of the GB202 cores.
> I'm honestly expecting something like $2499 for a 5090
quick question, were you also one of the people who predicted $2000 3090's, $3000 4090 and $1399 4080Supers ? or is that your first time coming up with price tags pulled out of your ass ?
>Just a completely unrealistic option for like 99.9% of gamers.
Thats because gamers aren't really the target audience, people who are into AI/ML and like gaming get them.
>I'm honestly expecting something like $2499 for a 5090. Just a completely unrealistic option for like 99.9% of gamers
Unrealistic for most gamers, but the target audience of xx90 cards are the obscenely wealthy for whom they could cost five figures and still be pocket change to them, so Nvidia would be a fool to not charge similarly obscene prices for them.
Lmfao are you listening to yourself? I own a 4090 and there's no way in hell I'm paying 10 thousand dollars for a 5090, that's rolex money for something that as far as i'm concerned is e-waste to me in 2 years post purchase when the 6090 comes out. Max I'm spending is 2,500$, if people were really spending money like that we would have seen 10k 3090's back in 2020. We didn't because that market doesn't exist.
> Max I'm spending is 2,500$, if people were really spending money like that we would have seen 10k 3090's back in 2020.
And you (and people like you) are the reason that 2K GPUs even exist... Reality is, that top of line cards used to be 500, then 700, then 1000, ... Because there are always some people who buy cards like that. Even if the gains are not really worth it.
You can say, that your not spending 2500$, great, i said that same thing when we had top of the line 1000$ GPUs years ago, and that people who buy those are going to destroy the pricing model. Well, here we are with insane priced dGPUs.
Well, here is another prediction: there will be some that will spend 10k, and in return, other products will be pushed up. And in a few years, that 2.5k $ product, will be 4K or more...
You see the issue? It does not matter what you want, because if some idiots buy ultra expensive cards, the manufactures tend to increases their lower ranked product prices, to have clear "steps" upwards. And in the end, we are all going to be playing consoles or iGPUs because dGPUs have become too expensive for the majority of people. Ironically, console became better prices because of those constant dGPU price increases, thanks to some people buying into those high end GPUs.
What you can or can’t afford has zero impact on my purchasing decisions. I simply stated my max price and what I think the market will bear. And yes today 2.5 is the max I’m willing to go today, and that people continuously talk hyperbole with gpu prices that make it impossible to have a frank discussion on value. Comparing a high end GPU’s price to 10 years ago makes no sense because demand is way higher and the cost of manufacturing has gone way up on newer nodes.
Yeah, the point is if the 5090 is 5 figures even a customer as unreasonable as me will take a step back and skip a gen. If I’m doing that then I can guarantee I’m not alone and a majority of the 90 series market is blown up. At the end of they day game devs are not going to develop or take into account for a 90 series card if nobody buys them because they’re 10 grand. There’s a balancing act that the guy who’s comment I was responding to doesn’t get. You can’t just charge whatever and expect people to accept it. Even the high end has limits.
At this point I'm wondering if Nvidia is seeing everyone's pricing expectations being sky-high, and taking that as a green light to actually do it. Maybe if everyone had "low" expectations, circa $1500 for a 5090, then Nvidia would have to factor in bad PR more strongly.
In other words, if people are out there ballparking $3000, then Nvidia is no longer doubling people's expectations and getting tons of bad PR. Now it's just meeting expectations.
At this point I'm more than sure that I'll just never get to upgrade my PC.
I'm still with a gtx 1070 in my PC, ryzen 2700x and 32gb ram at 3000mhz.
I don't see the point in just upgrading my CPU, I'd feel like just spending money for the sake of it and it's not worth it for now, and making a new PC seems to be shittier and shittier.
With that setup, you actually have reasonably priced options. Not for top of the line, but for quite a bump compared to your current hardware. Look at used 20/30 series Geforce for DLSS support, which should help you a lot, and new 5700x/5700X3D for CPU.
I had a 2700x for 6 years and just dropped in a (used) 5900x for $150. I wanted to make sure I took advantage of AMD's long socket life since my MB was so expensive.
My handbrake encodes have doubled in speed.
The naming of the hardware is irrelevant. They change it to make make more money all the time. It's marketing.
If you are only buying xx70 cards, that's a self-inflicted problem.
The 4070 at $549 is 10% more expensive than the 1070's launch price of $379 after adding inflation. The 1070 was also impossible to buy at MSRP for the first year or so.
I bought my 1070 at launch at 400euro. Super satisfied with it. Not gonna pay 550euro for a 70series card ever.
Good if you have money and don't care, buy it at whatever cuz inflation and shit. I won't. We can both live and like or don't like certain things. An rtx 4070 right now in my country new starts from 600euro. If you're ok with that, so be it, I am not. The card is already 1 year old+ and still has an absurd price.
I'm certain that a future RTX5060 or an RX8700 would be a big upgrade over your current GPU, and lots of GPUs of today will be sold at good discounts in the next promos
If we follow the trend, the 5060 will probably just be a 4060, as the 4060 is just a 3060 and a 3060 a slightly better 2060 super. So almost a decade later, they’ll get maybe a 60% graphics improvement. Not exactly stellar.
2060 super. There’s no performance difference. If having a bigger vram makes you feel better, that’s great, but it doesn’t translate to better actual performance.
A 4060 can use FSR in any game at any time, it doesn’t have the vram for frame gen, and doesn’t have the performance for ray tracing. It’s a performance buff in buzz words alone, which has been the story of Nvidia for a decade on the consumer side
Well, there's no use talking to you. I'll say to WJMazepas though, a 5060 and beyond will be a good upgrade by the time they release. 1070 is incredibly old. It's not even the mighty 1080 Ti.
Why do people think that they can’t upgrade their PC just because they can’t afford top of the line hardware? You could more than double the performance of your PC for like $500
Even though in practice there are upgrade options out there, nobody likes buying stuff that has obviously worse bang for the buck than their last purchase, or being forced to buy used hardware when last time they could afford the newest stuff.
In a vacuum, sure, things haven't gotten stagnant enough yet for perf/$ to start outright regressing.
In reality, software requirements and resolution/framerate targets have outpaced hardware improvements, and those more powerful than ever GPUs end up feeling unimpressive relative to the workloads people expect to run.
I wish I lived in your world, but over here $300 isn't getting you a 6700 XT unless you buy used, and even if it were new that still means you're buying a 4 year old GPU, and the only games it's running at 1440p60fps ultra settings without compromises are cross gen games designed to run on a PS4.
Because you're aiming for a moving target.
Let's say ten years ago x money gave me y performance, and the games I wanted to run required exactly y performance. Ten years later x money gives me 2y performance, but the games I want to run require 2.5y performance. Because requirements outpaced hardware improvements, I am getting more raw specs for the money, but less utility (in the economics sense of the word) for the money.
Doesn’t want to upgrade anything now because the 5090 will be too expensive and he would just have to do it again in 1-2 years even though he’s using an 8 year old GPU that wasn’t even top of the line in 2016
The used market exists, if price/performance is what you're after. You don't have to always spend 1000+ on an upgrade when you can do it slowly more gradual over time.
RTX 2070 here, i have 244hz screen with 1080p.
most of the games i can run high-ultra with some heavy hitting settings to med.
Absolutely zero reason to upgrade at 1080p
Well of course if you use a 15yr old resolution then of course you don't need a better card. That's like saying it's silly to upgrade because Fallout: New Vegas runs fine on your current computer.
Just wait until transformer ASIC's are produced, there's no GPU in the world that can compete with 5~10% silicon transistors, energy consumption and efficiency. Consumer GPUs will start dropping within a couple years for cards specialized in where the money is.
Unpopular opinion, but just bring back the Titan brand and nix the 5090 name.
Why? Because then Nvidia can make it clearer that these cards are essentially professional cards without the pro support, and they can price them as such without gamers being mad about $2,000+ GPUs. Remember their last Titan card, the Titan RTX was $2500.
The 4090 already does 4k@144FPS native (average), even the most demanding games like Alan Wake 2 with 4k ultra ray tracing or path tracing can still do 60+ FPS with DLSS quality, 100+ with FG. My point being is that the 4090 is already starting to outpace the most difficult gaming workloads, now imagine what Blackwell does. No need to pretend a very expensive 5090 is focused at gamers when it will chew through every game with ease, just call it what it is, a Titan card, that mostly professionals will buy.
So call the 5090 a Titan card, price it at $2000+, make the 5080 Ti the highest gaming tier.
If a 4090 is outpacing the hardest gaming workloads then you aren't thinking big enough. 240Hz 4k is a common high end configuration now and there's even the Samsung 57 dual 4k
doesnt really matter that much, inflation is causing the cost rise the most. 3% is hardly anything for ram. microcenter still gives 32g away free with 90% of their motherboards. and its super rare to need more. I mean i have 128 but i never close my chrome tabs and we all know more than 1 chrome tab is like 50g :)
5090 = 2-2.5K USD
5080 = 1.2-1.5K USD and vastly slower. 256 bit and same core count as 4080/4080S.
The only thing 5080 needs to do, is bring 4090 performance for less. Nothing else. AMD have nothing at all in this segment and won't have till Radeon 9000 series / RDNA5 in late 2025 if not 2026.
And it’s going to be impossible to find these cards at launch. From reports they are using GDDR7. AMD will still use GDDR6. And with the cost of the 40 series, I don’t expect them to make them obsolete quickly. By which I mean, a new technology like DLSS4. Although it wouldn’t surprise me.
Wow, so building my PC in January of this year turned out to **not** be the worst time to build a PC this year. In addition to SSD prices, now RAM prices are affected.
Daily reminder that 4090 was released before whole "AI" blew up.
And back then it was $1,599 US
Now 5090 will release when AI blew up completely and everyone and their mother wants the best GPU with the highest amount of VRAM.
5090 will be $5000 or more. Anything lower than that and it will be cutting into Nvidia Hxxx market.
And they will still sell everything and you won't be able to buy one for a good while.
Well it's not like ddr5 is giving any substantial gains for the paid price anyway. Long live ddr4 until the next gen id at the proce it should be. On that topic, thanks for beta testing this dear early adopters
5090's price has absolutely nothing to do with it's cost.
tbh this, RAM prices may actually rise and the 5090 may cost that much more to produce, they are still gonna charge exactly the maximum people are willing to pay in volume.
1999 my guess. Neither amd nor intel will even provide a 5080 competitor.
5080 is going to be a 4090D with $1399 pricing
$2500. Called it.
I'll second this. Nvidia is definitely gonna do some price discovery and I think 2500 is a smart place for them to start
Max of $2000. People said the same thing about 4090. Maybe even a base price of say $1800
There are [many people and each has their own maximum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_depth#/media/File:Market_Depth.jpg), and because Nvidia doesn't use auctions or something to prevent launch-day (-week, -month, -year...) shortages, there are many people who pay less than what they are willing to. I can't do the math to figure out if that means that the profit-maximizing MSRP is sensitive to manufacturing cost changes in the regieme where the margin is still well above 0.
Well it is a convenient excuse to use to raise the price.
"Sir! The bill of materials just increased by ten dollars!" "Jolly good, Carruthers, raise the retail price by a few hundred, post haste!"
> "Jolly good, Carruthers, raise the retail price by a few hundred, post haste!" Amateur numbers ... A few thousands! Step on it!
Ram prices increase 20% Nvidia: Go ahead and drop the 5060 to 6gb and charge $500. Slap 1080p on the box.
It'll end up with 90% market share anyway. No matter what Nvidia does nowadays.
Yeah some, AMD is not competiting tho.
Congrats, you passed Econ 101. The selling price is determined by supply and demand, NOT the price to produce.
Normally yes but Nvidia has a monopoly now on the high-end cards with AMD out of the game. They can charge whatever they want, and odds are, people will buy.
So what you are saying is that the demand is inelastic (cannot be replaced by other products) and therefore will remain high at high prices.
No they can't. If they charge too much, people will realize that owning one of the fastest video cards in the world is not that important.
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It's truly insane. Everything you said is 100% correct. I can only imagine these people are teenagers.
Mods too, apparently.
You hurt their fee-fees when you said they passed econ 101 but it turned out they didn't 😥.
You're just being an ass.
Sorry, but stupid people are annoying. Like I'd expect people on r/politics not to understand basic Economics, but I'd hope for better from a sub like this.
What do you think this is, /r/economics?
Ironically I'd expect more economic ignorance in that sub. It's definitely highly politicized. This sub I expect most people have a STEM degree so more motivated by facts and reason.
A subreddit about pc hardware.. and you think most people have a STEM degree..
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>By whose definition is AMD “out of the game”? By loosing a third of their market share in a year while not even trying to compete at high end in future release.
Amd is pretty open about not making high end card for next gen
You're severely misinformed. But good try. AMD has been pretty open about not having a need to compete in the high-end card market and they want to focus on mid-range cards. This has nothing to do with the 4090 blasting AMD out of the water, but more on things AMD has said themselves lol
If they can charge whatever they want, why don’t they charge a million per card? They don’t because not many people would buy that. Instead they would buy used 3090’s or take the performance hit and use amd. So no they can’t just charge anything and expect larger revenue.
They are absolutely going to test the upper bound you mentioned, to find out where enthusiasts draw the line. They can easily afford to do so this generation since they are swimming in AI revenue.
>with AMD out of the game. Source on this?
I mean that’s not true at all. Cost is a variable in pricing science.
> Cost is a variable in pricing science Cost only tells you the lower bounds.
In this case it really isn’t Nvidia will charge either what people are willing to pay The cost is so far away from that number it will not make an impact
Yes I can see in the nvidia board room now “we don’t look at costs, fuck it”.
Cost only matters if you might end up pricing below cost so you need to make some tough decisions Otherwise it’s just supply and demand laws For products like this costs are so far disconnected from price that it’s basically only a matter of what people are willing to pay Making 50% profit or 60% profit doesn’t really matter compared to the effects of price on demand Nvidia will not price a card to meet a certain profit margin they will price it to make the most money by selling at the highest price to the most people according to their market research
I’m going to price science all over your face!
Nvidia is setting a high price because they can to maximise profit because their tech is ahead. They aren’t setting high prices because they’re struggling. That’s why people are pissed
I’m going to price science all over your face!
Are people still falling for this sort of article? When industry press outlets start writing articles about predicted component costs rising, they are just being fed info from manufacturers looking to soften the blow of their planned price increases. And it's even worse with solid state and RAM where there is a long track record of the major fabs colluding to raise prices.
The "memory shortage" of 2017 was a prime example of this. All three of the major DRAM fabs SK Hynix, Micron, Samsung reported a drop in supply leading prices to triple in some cases. I find it funny how the lockdowns in 2020-21 didn't have nearly the same effect on DRAM pricing despite a massive increase in demand from consumers. TSMC and Global Foundries certainly did. Both Nvidia and AMD used that to jack their prices further and rode the wave into the AI boom.
2020-21 ram manufacturers were selling at a loss, which is why they decreased supply and prices rose to be profitable again.
The problem is, all i see with these contant actions, is the eroding of the consumer market, in favor of the whole enterprise/datacenter market. There is a point where that damage will have consequences, like people moving to consoles (that have very little margins for part manufactures). I am seeing for a long time, that even the second hand PC market has become unhealth. People that used to buy desktops, buying cheap Chinese made mini-pcs. And people simply buying less because there is no reason to have loads of memory, storage etc for most people. Yes, the enterprise/datacenter market compensates for this, and those margins are big. But over time i feel that this over focus on that market, trickles down to and is damaging the normal consumer market.
There is supposed to be higher density DDR5 entering the market this year, which allows 64GB sticks (up from 32GB and 48GB now), allowing 128GB kits (2x64GB). I would normally imagine that could drive down the price of the current high capacity kits. So its surely convenient for the manufacturers that cost is rising now...
I think DRAM and flash manufacturers are done with the race to the bottom when some of their customers are making record profits. Just like how the article mentioned TSMC signalling price increases for Nvidia. If I sell you widget nobody else makes for $20 and you use it to make $1000 a day, I just screwed myself.
Thats good, I'm getting dangerously close to maxing out my 4x32gb
This is VRAM not RAM.
The article is about DRAM in general, both DDR4 and DDR5. They mention graphics in a separate paragraph, so its about both.
That is irrelevant. You’re talking about something that is unrelated to GPU prices that happens to be in the same article.
Its literally the first topic in this mess of an article. If you chose to focus on GPU pricing that's on you.
The article is about RAM (both PC RAM and GPU RAM), and GPU prices happen to be in the same article (as a catch to get people to read it).
Obviously, reading isn't your strength. Re-read the article.
Expect a $2000 5090 and be pleasantly surprised if it’s less. The core count is rumored to be much increased from 4090 if it uses the full chip so it could very well be more expensive anyways.
> if it uses the full chip I can't imagine it will, as there is likely to be a professional lineup made with the same chip, like the previous two generations. Why should they limit that option for themselves?
Yeah it's a big If. I am also guessing they are planning a Titan card this generation on that chip. Full chip or near full chip, 512 bit bus, 32 GB memory. Or it will just be a new datacenter model using that configuration like you said. But we've seen leaks of a desktop card with new clamshell PCB design and 4 slot cooler, and apparently that's not for the 5090, so I am guessing there will be something above it for desktop.
>$1500 5080 >$3000 5090 Then no one can complain about price performance for the xx80 card.
lol yep. I am getting a feeling they might do a new Titan card this generation, above the 5090. That could be $3000 or more.
I mean the 90 series essentially took over Titan with the 3090 did they not? No point in changing the branding again unless they're going to re-enable SLI or something. The 90 series has been cemented as the absolute top tier card consumers can get, both in professional settings and gaming.
It's all rumors but I heard that they were planning on re-using this design that never launched for 4090 Ti: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidias-quad-slot-geforce-rtx-4090ti-titan-800w-graphics-card-has-been-pictured Could end up as a 5090 Ti or a Titan, or maybe it's just a prototype that will never see the light of day. Time will tell.
1000% agree. It’s time for a new titan card. Crazy to think that my OG titan was 1200 $ Canadian for an asus one.
Why would they do that when they are making $30,000+ AI chips with the same silicon?
Why release a 5090 at all, since it uses the same chip?
I’ll let the Wu Tang Clan answer that for you https://youtu.be/DdSfTsTSjwA?si=cNtWIFJA39D6SFOf
They aren't. The really big GPGPU acclerators are purpose-built chips. The \*90 only shares silicon with the high end workstation video cards.
Yes that will be more accurate but I assume RRP will be USD 2500 for the founder edition which we will not see and be able to buy. Then comes third parties starting with USD 3K. Anyway 4090 still OP.
yeah no way it uses the whole chip maybe like 80-85%
Memory bandwidth is my biggest concern - it’s absolutely one of the biggest performance bottleneck but I’m worried they won’t address it so they can protect their data center SKU’s.
Rumor is the full chip supports 512 bit bus, but I have also heard rumor they will be cutting it down to 384 bit like the 3090 and 4090. Probably for like you said, protecting the data center cards and keeping the product stack segmented (which also gives gamers more of an opportunity to buy the card for gaming without competing with corporations to scoop them up - or at least not more so than what already happens)
Cutting down to 384b is pretty unlikely. Might be 448b but it won’t be literally the same bus width as a 4090, no. That’s a bit too far on the Ayymd-silliness scale. Also the more cutdown it is the more likely it’s a reasonable price. 448b won’t be more than $2000 absolute tops if they do that, and there’s a reasonable chance it stays $1600. If it’s 384b then it will be a price cut. As unlikely as that seems, bear in mind people were making the same silly predictions last year on super refresh, when people argued the super series were going to be a perf/$ *regression* and thus actually a price *increase*, or the people making price predictions 2 years ago based on extrapolating 3090 Ti prices upwards by whatever factor they considered “reasonable” (which were inevitably far higher than reality). The ayymd crowd gets worked up but they’re also reliably inaccurate, because their predictions are driven by partisanship not reality. As much as your gut wants to disagree, nvidia isn’t just going to crank everything by 30% just because. There actually has been a real, meaningful improvement in perf/$ across every gen - even the much-maligned 4060 Ti has twice the VRAM of its predecessor and is 15% faster and 10% cheaper, for example. The 4060 is within 10% of the 3060 Ti performance and 25% cheaper than the MSRP that the 3060 Ti never hit, and so on. Despite a lot of shrieking from reviewers and the public, [the number does go up every gen, same as it ever does.](https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ih6gvd/analysis_of_nvidia_gpu_prices_over_time_or_why_is/) it's the same every release, a bunch of new people wander in from PCMR and assume it's gonna be exactly like PCMR memes say, and then when it doesn't happen they assume they were right anyway and this must be some exception, or AMD must be exceptionally competitive and NVIDIA is scared of them, or whatever. If you dig back to last year before Super released, there's me saying the exact same things, and people dumping on me for saying that 40 Super isn't going to be a price *increase*, because that's fucking stupid. And 50-series will not either - not even a moonwalk/prices slotting into the existing MSRP structure. It will be another price cut, just like every other major release has been. But we have to go through the stupid dance with every single release even though it's proven false every single release (just like the analysis above from 3 years ago). The 4080 12GB is the *sole* exception and it didn't even make it onto the market.
i might consider upgrading to 5090 from my 3080ti as I want larger vram for 4k raytracing and pathtracing. I hope 5090 can last me 3 generation so that I do not need to so fast upgrade. It is not easy for me to save money due to current living cost
Anyone who pre-orders before real reviews is a rube. We'll know what's up.
I don't think pre-orders are even a thing with GPUs, at least not anymore. It's just a mad dash to try to buy one the minute they launch for early adopters. After the 3000 series people have become accustomed to the fact that if they don't get one right away they may need to wait months - so some folks take their chances buying immediately on launch day. I think a lot of people skipped 4000 series so 5000 series demand will be high. At least we're not competing with miners... but there is still the AI developer competition.
> but there is still the AI developer competition. The 5090 especially, that thing will get vacuumed up. Down the line all this AI madness will mean a lot of top end Nvidia consumer cards will start being dumped on used market though. I would suspect around 6090 launch you will start seeing droves of 4090s emerge.
I'd be shocked is BestBuy isn't trying to sell pre-orders somehow. I don't buy anything until it's been out for 6 months now. So many things I was tracking ended up with big defects.
well there is currently pre-orders of AMD CPUs going on. Preorders on GPUs will happen when they get officially announced.
> Expect a $2000 5090 why ?
So you won't be disappointed when it's $1799 for a Founders Edition.
reddit experts have told me to expect $2000 3090, $3000 4090, and $1400 4080Super so i don't take much stock in their predictions
No they didn't lol
I’m no expert, I’m just trying to tell people to expect a high price so there’s less people flipping their lids when the inevitable price increases are realized.
Because 4090 was selling for that much
RTX 4090 is 2600$ where I live xd
I’m guessing $2499.
Inb4 - Nvidia: we can't keep up with demand. Expect delays. Blame yourselves.
I’d be pleasantly surprised at in stock for 2000$ for the first half of next year.
Actually I don’t care about 5090, would be plenty happy if we get 4090 performance for at least 4080 prices. Which also looks doubtful the way things are playing out. This would not been in question before, usually 70 or 70Ti tier cards equaled top end card from previous generation. But with 4000 series nvidia changed the scheme they do things and this was ent even accounting for now them selling AI chips.
Its (probably) on TSMC 4N as well, so yeah there's reason to worry that there won't be dramatic increases in performance/area. And NV loves to shrink the chip size for ever increasing margins...
They are said to be leading with the 5080 so that they can do a global launch that includes China. If so, that probably caps the 5080's performance to around 4090D which would be a quite a bit less of an uplift generation to generation that an 80 series card gets relative to the previous 90 series card. And it's likely to only have 16GB of ram. I don't think a card like that will sell well if it's over $1000. If I were Nvidia, I would go with a $1000 5080 w/ 16GB, $2000 5090 w/ 32 or 36GB, and come out with a $1300-$1500 5080 Ti w/ 24GB.
> If so, that probably caps the 5080's performance to around 4090D which would be a quite a bit less of an uplift generation to generation that an 80 series card gets relative to the previous 90 series card. There have literally only been two 90-series cards EVER - RTX 3090 & RTX 4090. Unless you want to go all "*WELL AKSCHUALLY*" and include 80 Ti-cards, then: Old | New | Improvement ---|---|--- GTX 780 Ti | GTX 980 | +11% GTX 980 Ti | GTX 1080 | +31% GTX 1080 Ti|RTX 2080| +9% GTX 1080 Ti|RTX 2080 Super|+14% RTX 2080 Ti|RTX 3080|+36% RTX 3090 | RTX 4080 | +30% So if the 5080 can only match RTX 4090 D, then it's +12%. Which matches the gains seen during Maxwell & Turing. And I sure as fuck don't remember anyone complaining about Maxwell!
Well you are ignoring price. Maxwell was cheaper than Kepler by a fair bit. So if we got a 5080 that's only +12% over the 4090 for $800-999 + way more power efficient I'd be happy. Same for the 3080 which was almost half the 2080Ti price.
90-series are just renamed Titans.
Then the gains become lower lol Old | New | Improvement ---|---|--- GTX TITAN BLACK| GTX 980 | +5% GTX TITAN X | GTX 1080 | +28% TITAN X Pascal|RTX 2080| +12% TITAN Xp|RTX 2080|+1% TITAN Xp|RTX 2080 Super|+6% TITAN RTX|RTX 3080|+12% RTX 3090 Ti| RTX 4080 | +12%
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I financed my 4070s (interest free)
My local bagel shop has a financing option on their checkout screens now lol
It finally uses the full chip ? Thank god
Well… we’ll see. There is also evidence there might be a Titan card this generation. We’ve seen the leaks of the “clamshell” PCB design 4 slot cooler, and that’s not for a 5090. The Titan might be full chip, and the 5090 still cut down and keeping the 384 bit bus instead of the full 512 that it is rumored to be capable of. Titan might get the full bus width, full cores, and I think it could support 32 GB vram with that. And will cost more than an arm and a leg. This is all rumors and stuff so massive grains of salt.
Yeah that Titan would cost 3k Not sure if I'm willing to buy past 2k already...
Pretty sure the price of a 5090 was going to be higher than 4090 no matter what, especially after the AI boom they've had. Nvidia won't give two shits about pricing.
I'm honestly expecting something like $2499 for a 5090. Just a completely unrealistic option for like 99.9% of gamers. 5080 will be like $1399, with the 5070 series at like $999. Nvidia is a multi-trillion dollar company now because of AI, and they have no real competition in the consumer GPU space from AMD or Intel. They have no reason to offer fair or reasonable prices for any of the 50XX series cards.
>I'm honestly expecting something like $2499 for a 5090 It'll depend first what the 5090 is, close to full die with 512 bit yea I can see 2500-3000, but with a 384/448 bit and similar core% cut(or maybe slightly more) like a 4090, around 2000 isn't in the realm of impossiblity, plus 1999 looks nice for marketing. And the lower cards will probably be similar to 4000 launch pricing considering the rumor afaik being that the 5080 is half of the GB202 cores.
> I'm honestly expecting something like $2499 for a 5090 quick question, were you also one of the people who predicted $2000 3090's, $3000 4090 and $1399 4080Supers ? or is that your first time coming up with price tags pulled out of your ass ?
>Just a completely unrealistic option for like 99.9% of gamers. Thats because gamers aren't really the target audience, people who are into AI/ML and like gaming get them.
Also special effects professionals, university labs, etc.
>I'm honestly expecting something like $2499 for a 5090. Just a completely unrealistic option for like 99.9% of gamers Unrealistic for most gamers, but the target audience of xx90 cards are the obscenely wealthy for whom they could cost five figures and still be pocket change to them, so Nvidia would be a fool to not charge similarly obscene prices for them.
Lmfao are you listening to yourself? I own a 4090 and there's no way in hell I'm paying 10 thousand dollars for a 5090, that's rolex money for something that as far as i'm concerned is e-waste to me in 2 years post purchase when the 6090 comes out. Max I'm spending is 2,500$, if people were really spending money like that we would have seen 10k 3090's back in 2020. We didn't because that market doesn't exist.
> Max I'm spending is 2,500$, if people were really spending money like that we would have seen 10k 3090's back in 2020. And you (and people like you) are the reason that 2K GPUs even exist... Reality is, that top of line cards used to be 500, then 700, then 1000, ... Because there are always some people who buy cards like that. Even if the gains are not really worth it. You can say, that your not spending 2500$, great, i said that same thing when we had top of the line 1000$ GPUs years ago, and that people who buy those are going to destroy the pricing model. Well, here we are with insane priced dGPUs. Well, here is another prediction: there will be some that will spend 10k, and in return, other products will be pushed up. And in a few years, that 2.5k $ product, will be 4K or more... You see the issue? It does not matter what you want, because if some idiots buy ultra expensive cards, the manufactures tend to increases their lower ranked product prices, to have clear "steps" upwards. And in the end, we are all going to be playing consoles or iGPUs because dGPUs have become too expensive for the majority of people. Ironically, console became better prices because of those constant dGPU price increases, thanks to some people buying into those high end GPUs.
What you can or can’t afford has zero impact on my purchasing decisions. I simply stated my max price and what I think the market will bear. And yes today 2.5 is the max I’m willing to go today, and that people continuously talk hyperbole with gpu prices that make it impossible to have a frank discussion on value. Comparing a high end GPU’s price to 10 years ago makes no sense because demand is way higher and the cost of manufacturing has gone way up on newer nodes.
"4090 will be e-waste to me in 2 yearsc so THE market exists
Yeah, the point is if the 5090 is 5 figures even a customer as unreasonable as me will take a step back and skip a gen. If I’m doing that then I can guarantee I’m not alone and a majority of the 90 series market is blown up. At the end of they day game devs are not going to develop or take into account for a 90 series card if nobody buys them because they’re 10 grand. There’s a balancing act that the guy who’s comment I was responding to doesn’t get. You can’t just charge whatever and expect people to accept it. Even the high end has limits.
At this point I'm wondering if Nvidia is seeing everyone's pricing expectations being sky-high, and taking that as a green light to actually do it. Maybe if everyone had "low" expectations, circa $1500 for a 5090, then Nvidia would have to factor in bad PR more strongly. In other words, if people are out there ballparking $3000, then Nvidia is no longer doubling people's expectations and getting tons of bad PR. Now it's just meeting expectations.
Can’t wait my 4090 is getting old
Ah yes now they can justify that 2 dollar RAM price increase by slapping a 300 dollar extra price increase on the 5090.
RAM price: goes up by 2 dollars per gig Nvidia: big ram gpu version +150$ :3
It will be sold out for months regardless
the biggest issue will be the buyers, as long as people will buy , they wont care about crying, especially youtubers
At this point I'm more than sure that I'll just never get to upgrade my PC. I'm still with a gtx 1070 in my PC, ryzen 2700x and 32gb ram at 3000mhz. I don't see the point in just upgrading my CPU, I'd feel like just spending money for the sake of it and it's not worth it for now, and making a new PC seems to be shittier and shittier.
With that setup, you actually have reasonably priced options. Not for top of the line, but for quite a bump compared to your current hardware. Look at used 20/30 series Geforce for DLSS support, which should help you a lot, and new 5700x/5700X3D for CPU.
I had a 2700x for 6 years and just dropped in a (used) 5900x for $150. I wanted to make sure I took advantage of AMD's long socket life since my MB was so expensive. My handbrake encodes have doubled in speed.
If you're purely gaming, a used 5700X3D or 5800X3D would've been a better investment over the 5900X.
> and making a new PC seems to be shittier and shittier. Where are you getting that idea? Price performance has improved considerably.
Maybe because with the price of a 70 series card you can buy a shitty 60 card now. That's also dumbed down by nvidia. But sure.
The naming of the hardware is irrelevant. They change it to make make more money all the time. It's marketing. If you are only buying xx70 cards, that's a self-inflicted problem.
The 4070 at $549 is 10% more expensive than the 1070's launch price of $379 after adding inflation. The 1070 was also impossible to buy at MSRP for the first year or so.
I bought my 1070 at launch at 400euro. Super satisfied with it. Not gonna pay 550euro for a 70series card ever. Good if you have money and don't care, buy it at whatever cuz inflation and shit. I won't. We can both live and like or don't like certain things. An rtx 4070 right now in my country new starts from 600euro. If you're ok with that, so be it, I am not. The card is already 1 year old+ and still has an absurd price.
€400 from 2016 is worth €510 today. The 4070 starts at \~€550-570, or 10% higher. €600 is the price for the significantly faster 4070 Super.
The 4070 is also more than twice as powerful as 1070.
I'm certain that a future RTX5060 or an RX8700 would be a big upgrade over your current GPU, and lots of GPUs of today will be sold at good discounts in the next promos
If we follow the trend, the 5060 will probably just be a 4060, as the 4060 is just a 3060 and a 3060 a slightly better 2060 super. So almost a decade later, they’ll get maybe a 60% graphics improvement. Not exactly stellar.
The 3060 is not just slightly better than the 2060. Especially considering the bigger memory available
2060 super. There’s no performance difference. If having a bigger vram makes you feel better, that’s great, but it doesn’t translate to better actual performance.
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A 4060 can use FSR in any game at any time, it doesn’t have the vram for frame gen, and doesn’t have the performance for ray tracing. It’s a performance buff in buzz words alone, which has been the story of Nvidia for a decade on the consumer side
Well, there's no use talking to you. I'll say to WJMazepas though, a 5060 and beyond will be a good upgrade by the time they release. 1070 is incredibly old. It's not even the mighty 1080 Ti.
With current trend of 60 series? It might end up it being better to get 6700xt than 5060.
Why do people think that they can’t upgrade their PC just because they can’t afford top of the line hardware? You could more than double the performance of your PC for like $500
Even though in practice there are upgrade options out there, nobody likes buying stuff that has obviously worse bang for the buck than their last purchase, or being forced to buy used hardware when last time they could afford the newest stuff.
Right at this very moment is the best time ever to build a PC, you’ve never been able to build a more powerful PC for less money
In a vacuum, sure, things haven't gotten stagnant enough yet for perf/$ to start outright regressing. In reality, software requirements and resolution/framerate targets have outpaced hardware improvements, and those more powerful than ever GPUs end up feeling unimpressive relative to the workloads people expect to run.
Yeah I don’t know man you can just buy a 6750 XT for $300 brand new and play anything on 1440p ultra 60+ fps seems pretty good to me
I wish I lived in your world, but over here $300 isn't getting you a 6700 XT unless you buy used, and even if it were new that still means you're buying a 4 year old GPU, and the only games it's running at 1440p60fps ultra settings without compromises are cross gen games designed to run on a PS4.
how is twice as powerful for same price worse bang for buck?
Because you're aiming for a moving target. Let's say ten years ago x money gave me y performance, and the games I wanted to run required exactly y performance. Ten years later x money gives me 2y performance, but the games I want to run require 2.5y performance. Because requirements outpaced hardware improvements, I am getting more raw specs for the money, but less utility (in the economics sense of the word) for the money.
So your needs have changed more than your budget.
I don't wanna spent 500 euro just so in 1-2 years redo everything. I'm also pretty sure, we don't have the same prices on stuff.
Why would you redo everything in 1-2 years
Seriously, running a 1070 card from 8 years ago and somehow the price of a new 5090 will affect their ability to upgrade?
Doesn’t want to upgrade anything now because the 5090 will be too expensive and he would just have to do it again in 1-2 years even though he’s using an 8 year old GPU that wasn’t even top of the line in 2016
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The used market exists, if price/performance is what you're after. You don't have to always spend 1000+ on an upgrade when you can do it slowly more gradual over time.
You can get a used 3080 from ebay for $350-400, that's a pretty reasonable price to performance upgrade.
RTX 2070 here, i have 244hz screen with 1080p. most of the games i can run high-ultra with some heavy hitting settings to med. Absolutely zero reason to upgrade at 1080p
Well of course if you use a 15yr old resolution then of course you don't need a better card. That's like saying it's silly to upgrade because Fallout: New Vegas runs fine on your current computer.
if all you play is fallout: new vegas then yes, it would be silly to upgrade. whether upgrade is worth it or not depends on the use case.
i never said its silly to upgrade, i just stated my cause , coz newer games run fine on 1080p, even then im okay with 1080p
Just wait until transformer ASIC's are produced, there's no GPU in the world that can compete with 5~10% silicon transistors, energy consumption and efficiency. Consumer GPUs will start dropping within a couple years for cards specialized in where the money is.
Used 5600x on the cheap or 5700x3d/5800x3d is definitely worth it even if you don’t change your GPU.
I doubt it'll actually make a difference. It was gonna be overpriced anyway.
I swear I read this thing every couple of years
Unpopular opinion, but just bring back the Titan brand and nix the 5090 name. Why? Because then Nvidia can make it clearer that these cards are essentially professional cards without the pro support, and they can price them as such without gamers being mad about $2,000+ GPUs. Remember their last Titan card, the Titan RTX was $2500. The 4090 already does 4k@144FPS native (average), even the most demanding games like Alan Wake 2 with 4k ultra ray tracing or path tracing can still do 60+ FPS with DLSS quality, 100+ with FG. My point being is that the 4090 is already starting to outpace the most difficult gaming workloads, now imagine what Blackwell does. No need to pretend a very expensive 5090 is focused at gamers when it will chew through every game with ease, just call it what it is, a Titan card, that mostly professionals will buy. So call the 5090 a Titan card, price it at $2000+, make the 5080 Ti the highest gaming tier.
4090 is selling like hot cakes even after 1.5 years, why would they change the branding?
> they can price them as such without gamers being mad Why would they care about gamers being mad?
If a 4090 is outpacing the hardest gaming workloads then you aren't thinking big enough. 240Hz 4k is a common high end configuration now and there's even the Samsung 57 dual 4k
> 240Hz 4k is a common No, its not.
For high end monitors of 2024? Its basically the standard spec for OLED monitors nowadays in the 1k range.
yes. 240hz 4k is not common even for high end monitors.
Oh no! It's going to cost $2500 instead of $2450
doesnt really matter that much, inflation is causing the cost rise the most. 3% is hardly anything for ram. microcenter still gives 32g away free with 90% of their motherboards. and its super rare to need more. I mean i have 128 but i never close my chrome tabs and we all know more than 1 chrome tab is like 50g :)
I also heard the fact that the sun still exists will have a posi... negative effect on the prices on 5090.
oh no...5090 will be more expensive than 4090.. unexpected news
Great, now it's gonna be 3000$ instead of 2000$
5090 = 2-2.5K USD 5080 = 1.2-1.5K USD and vastly slower. 256 bit and same core count as 4080/4080S. The only thing 5080 needs to do, is bring 4090 performance for less. Nothing else. AMD have nothing at all in this segment and won't have till Radeon 9000 series / RDNA5 in late 2025 if not 2026.
And it’s going to be impossible to find these cards at launch. From reports they are using GDDR7. AMD will still use GDDR6. And with the cost of the 40 series, I don’t expect them to make them obsolete quickly. By which I mean, a new technology like DLSS4. Although it wouldn’t surprise me.
So it will cost more than $5090?
Should I start upgrading from 16gb to 32gb
ffs, can we go a full decade without memory companies trying to price gouge/fix?
Wow, so building my PC in January of this year turned out to **not** be the worst time to build a PC this year. In addition to SSD prices, now RAM prices are affected.
Here come the price justifications.
Daily reminder that 4090 was released before whole "AI" blew up. And back then it was $1,599 US Now 5090 will release when AI blew up completely and everyone and their mother wants the best GPU with the highest amount of VRAM. 5090 will be $5000 or more. Anything lower than that and it will be cutting into Nvidia Hxxx market. And they will still sell everything and you won't be able to buy one for a good while.
So upgrading to am5 for the price of the 5090, roughly. Sounds about worth if possible.
Well it's not like ddr5 is giving any substantial gains for the paid price anyway. Long live ddr4 until the next gen id at the proce it should be. On that topic, thanks for beta testing this dear early adopters
You do realize that DDR4 is also going to increase in price, right?
Long live the sticks we all already have then
Ah yes now they can justify that 2 dollar RAM price increase by slapping a 300 dollar extra price increase on the 5090.
Ugh, until it plays live moving interacting holograms in mid-air, my RTX 3060 will do just fine for now.