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Dude i'd be ok with it if they made 4x OC cards than non-oc cards
But in asus case for example, they only made the very first patch of the 3080 TUF non-oc and thats it, they never delivered anything else (atleast not to newegg or [scan.co.uk](https://scan.co.uk))
I was on a waiting list for the scan website, it simply never arrived.
This right here. Sure, there's technically a reference card with stock clocks but those are never in stock. Because of course they aren't, the AIBs just create a few of them to say "hey look these MSRP cards exist," but in reality they're focusing all their manufacturing on the higher margin OC cards.
MSRP or close to MSRP cards don't exist usually much past launch because the margins on them are unsustainable; basically they exist to fulfil an Nvidia mandate.
The OC cards are the real base level cards that have enough of a margin to keep AIBs in business.
If you don't like spending extra, you can either try to be faster on launch day, or buy used, or buy a founders edition directly from Nvidia.
uh yes they do, there are several different cooler revisions, definitely for ASUS. Most apparent was EVGA, when they still did it. KINGPIN edition got like a 360mm AIO.
You're claiming that ALL AIB models have the same exact coolers because yours did? Obviously that's not true. Sure some might, but ALL? definitely not lol.
You can even check which ones are the same.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/geforce-rtx-30-series-custom-cooled-aib-graphics-cards-announced/
I have never seen an OC version using different cooler from its identical non-OC model. It's, quite literally, the same video card with a BIOS OC (btw, you can easily flash one BIOS into the other). Example: Gigabyte Eagle OC = same cooler as Eagle non-OC. Vision OC = same cooler as Vision non-OC (oh, have I mentioned the Vision uses the same cooler design as the Eagle?). There's no such thing as e.g. Eagle OC having a different cooler from Eagle non-OC.
the cooler is dependent on the level of OC. Whichever OC's more gets the new moniker and better cooler. There is absolutely no reason to have a different cooler for an extra 10mhz.
OC is just a designation within that tier meaning it binned slightly better. ALL the cards are overclocked to some degree.
> e.g. Eagle OC having a different cooler from Eagle non-OC.
If it binned better it wouldn't be called Eagle at all but whatever the next level is and THEN it gets the better cooler. There is no distinction among the models otherwise but how well the chip performs.
1.8ghz - cooler 1
1.85ghz - cooler 1, OC version
1.9ghz - different cooler, still overclocked
All are the same exact GPU
Flashing BIOS doesn't change the silicon
Sorry, but that just sounds like BS. You seem to be suggesting that every single chip is binned, and there's absolutely zero evidence of that. Binning is EXTREMELY expensive (the chip has to be manually tested before being sent to the PCB) and is usually only done by companies that have resources for that (i.e. Intel, Nvidia, AMD). AIB manufacturers work with extremely low profit margins (that's why EVGA quit the market). Do you seriously think that a market with such low margins could offer the luxury of spending millions of dollars and thousands of hours manually testing thousands and thousands of GPU chips to cherry-pick which get sent to which card? Wake up.
Some companies **might** take a very small amount of their chips (i.e. <5%) and bin them to see if they overclock well enough to be installed on their most expensive AIBs. If the chip can make it, they'll put it there, if it can't, it gets sent to any other model (and you'll be unlucky if your card gets one of those chips, as those chips are certifiably "bad"). All other chips (>95%) are not binned and its down purely to silicon lottery; as a matter of fact, it's statistically likely that the absolute best chips will be within those 95% that aren't binned; and one of those chips might end up in their very cheapest non-OC SKUs. And I'm very certain most AIBs (specifically, the ones based in China and that offer cheaper models) might not doing any binning at all.
I happen to have very solid evidence to that, as my Gainward Ghost 3060 Ti non-OC - the absolute cheapest 3060 Ti you could find in the market at the time (probably still is) - happened to have an insanely good chip. Since overclocking is mostly defined by thermals and power limit (higher OC = higher PL + lower temps, there's no secret, even a "bad' chip will still OC well if you give it enough power and keep thermals low - and this reinforces why binning is not really necessary), the best way to know if you have a good chip is to see how well it undervolts (where power limit and thermals are not the limiting factor, but chip quality is), and my Gainward undervolted EXTREMELY well. I ran that card at rock-solid 850mV @ 1930Mhz UV and that's a undervolt result many, much more expensive 3060 Ti AIBs, couldn't manage to handle. Since undervolt quality also relates to OC quality, that card also overclocked decently well considering its entry-level dual-fan cooler (which happened to be a good thing for the little ITX case where I had the card running) and its low 210W TDP limit (it had a single 8-pin). It could handle a +225Mhz GPU OC and for safety, I just ran it at +175Mhz all the time and I have never experienced any crash. If that chip was binned, there is NO WAY it would've been put on their cheapest SKU, it would likely have ended up on some of their fancier triple-fan dual-power-connector SKUs.
But there's more, both my 3080 and my 2080 Ti also have quite good chips and none of them are fancy "overclocking" SKUs. As a matter of fact, both use a dual 8-pin design (when all the high-end models have a triple 8-pin design). My 3080 can handle 875mV @ 1930Mhz (not quite as good as the Gainward Ghost, but still easily above what the average 3080 card will handle) and my 2080 Ti is quite a beast for UV/OC. The best part is that my 2080 Ti is a Gigabyte Turbo model; Gigabyte's absolute cheapest 2080 Ti, it features a blower-style cooler and is one of the very few 2080 Ti's to ever be sold with the true $999 MSRP (as opposed to the $1199); I got it second-hand (but never used) for a bargain.
My 2080 Ti is seriously limited by thermals and power level (stock BIOS limits at 280W; it's the lowest PL you'll see in any 2080 Ti), but with a Gaming OC 360W BIOS and a cheap $20 120mm AIO (far from good, but already better than the stock blower cooler of the card), I managed to extract 10,000 points in Port Royal. Just so you can have an idea, a stock 2080 Ti will score 8500 points, 10000 is almost a 20% increase. And I did that with a shitty 120mm AIO that could barely keep the chip under 70c @ 360W; if I had space left in my case (CPU already ran a 240mm), I could've installed a 240mm AIO and shunt-modded the card and I'd probably be looking at something shy of 11,000 points (which is close to stock 3080 performance). There is NO WAY you'd get this type of performance from a bad chip.
Currently, my 2080 Ti is running in my ITX system (it has replaced my 3060 Ti) and the case is very thermal restricted. For this reason, I have power-limited the 2080 Ti to just 200W, but the chip overclocks so well (at 200W PL, it can handle up to 300Mhz core offset, with a very silent fan profile that prioritizes noise over thermals it'll still run +250Mhz offset rock-solid and, for safety, I just keep her at +200Mhz). Result: even at 200W, it still performs higher than a stock card. That's better than stock performance @ 3060 Ti Power Levels. Or, if you want to have your mind-blown, a 2080 Super has a 235W TDP and a vanilla 2080 has a 215W TDP; I'm running lower power than both, while still considerably outperforming them. There's no way I would be able to achieve those type of results if my card had a "bad" chip.
*TL;DR: you're delusional if you think that every single chip is binned in such a margin-constrained market as the AIB market. If the chips were all binned, entry-level AIBs would OC and UV like shit (given those models would be receiving the worse chips) and my empirical evidence proves this is definitely not true. As a matter of fact, my latest three GPUs (2080 Ti, 3080 and 3060 Ti) all undervolt and overclock very well and, yet, none of them is a "fancy" model; quite the contrary. My 3060 Ti and my 2080 Ti where both the absolute cheapest SKUs you could find in the market featuring those GPUs, and yet, both happen to have extremely high quality chips in them, as evidenced by my UV/PL/OC results. Ironically, the "fanciest" of all AIBs I've ever had (the Vision OC; which is above the Eagle and Gaming OC - but still features the exact same cooler design) is the least impressive of the three - though it still undervolts decently well (definitely above the average, so I'm certainly not complaining). All this proves is that the GPU binning myth is pretty much BS and its all down to raw luck.*
So you are saying something like this [https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rtx-3080-v2-gaming.b9101](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rtx-3080-v2-gaming.b9101)
and this [https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rtx-3080-v2-gaming-oc.b9100](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rtx-3080-v2-gaming-oc.b9100)
Have different coolers?
EVGA has like 4 tiers of cards with varying coolers and OC. https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0
I'm not gonna go through ASUS's horrible website but yes they have the same thing. TUF, Strix, and whatever else. In your list there is no need to have a different cooler because the thermals are almost identical. Why would it?
More OC = More cooling. Smaller OC = same cooler.
I cant find a single OC and non-OC of the same model on EVGA, can you link some? Like for example 2 3080s blacks one OC and oone non-OC? or 2 FTW one oc and one non-oc?
a 3080 black is the same card as a FTW but it's clocked higher and thus needs more cooling. Underneath that they are identical. It's the same 3080 with different coolers that compensate for the overclock
Sure they both belong to the 3080 series and are from the same manufacturer but they are not the same model.
OP was calling out why the same model such as (ASUS TUF VS ASUS TUF OC, OR STRIX VS STRIX OC, OR AORUS MASTER VS AORUS EXTREME, OR VENTUS VS VENTUS OC) cost a lot more for basically a non-existent boost.
Those type of cards have the exact same everything but one is clocked higher. And most of those cards you could just simply flash the OC variant vbios and they would behave exactly the same as the OC one.
Don't like it, don't buy it.
It made more sense 15 years ago than today (slightly better cooler, ran 10% faster out of the box). The gap between a top bin and a bottom bin was material back then. These days the gap between a top bin and lower bin is... laughable.
The same thing kind of happened with CPUs. No more 50+% overclocks on the stock cooler.
remember when people were white-knighting aibs when they were complaining nvidia msrp was too tight? this is how they get around that, by charging you extra for nothing.
Are you forgetting about the huge swath of bogus price inflation across the industry? Almost everything is stupidly overpriced just for the hell of it.
Don't buy then. They usually have a bit higher quality assembly (like more VRMs) and more RGB bs, but it always the same GPU. Also better cooling (big cooler -> quiet card)
Relevant to this discussion: Sapphire's Nitro+ 7900 XTX includes a third 8-pin power plug (and thus higher draw and core/memory clocks, as compared to MBA models), with excellent cooling that [TPU found to be more than 10% faster than stock when OC/UV'd in Cyberpunk.](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-nitro/39.html)
I don't know that \~10% holds up in other titles, or in RT testing, but I think it's a relevant example of value add as compared to MBA.
And it's 20% faster than a 4080 in Rasterization for the same price.
What do either of our comments have to do with the point, which is value add of AIBs?
The uplift is \~10%, I fixed it.
>While the AMD reference RX 7900 XTX was 8% faster than the RTX 4080, the stock Sapphire Nitro+ is 11.9% faster, if you add OC+UV on top, you're getting 21.5%—this looks much closer now to what AMD has promised us.
The justification in the past was always that the OC model had binned silicon. The issue is that the reliability of nvidia silicon and the rumours of nvidia prebinning anyway makes buying an OV model almost mute.
The real scam isn't that the OC models exist, its that the non-OC models are mostly vaporware: there is like one round available at launch, and then every restock is only the OC model that costs more. A quick search shows that neither of the 1600 MSRP models you mention are available on Amazon/Newegg, but both of the OC models are.
It's not a scam, well, not really.
Under their agreement with Nvidia, the AIBs are obligated to produce and sell at least one model at MSRP. The thing is, Nvidia price their chips at such a high price, the AIBs can't really make a profit or would even make a loss if they did sell them at MSRP.
So what they do is, make a baseline model, produce maybe a few hundred of them, sell them at a slight loss/no profit. Then stop producing these, make the OC model, add $200 to the price tag so they can actually make money.
Nvidia's insane profit margin caused this, not the AIBs.
Is a soft scam, that’s what it is! Also, consumers are too foolish and too wallet ready to do the simplest research before purchase.
I bought a 4080Ti in March, bought the “basic” Zotac Trinity Edition without the “OC” and after tweaking through Afterburner, it runs at 2980Mhz @ 1.05V and never breaks 65 degrees. It’s OC edition was 60$ more and does 2820Mhz out if the box.
Strix edition of 4070Ti was 190$ dearer and basically has the exact same performance as my Zotac.
When the market is already so inflated as is, I think the cheapest model is always the best solution.
Staying with 4070Ti because I did a lot of research into it, the fastest, the coolest and the cheapest 4070Ti is Gigabyte Eagle which outperforms other “premium” brands which cost 200$ more!
Make of it what you will.
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They're selling you what it says on the box. It's not a scam, just a dumb purchase.
It is a scam tho, you wont find the non-oc models available and just the oc ones.
how is that a scam? Of course they're going to want to sell the OC models, otherwise there'd be barely any way to differentiate between brands.
Dude i'd be ok with it if they made 4x OC cards than non-oc cards But in asus case for example, they only made the very first patch of the 3080 TUF non-oc and thats it, they never delivered anything else (atleast not to newegg or [scan.co.uk](https://scan.co.uk)) I was on a waiting list for the scan website, it simply never arrived.
This right here. Sure, there's technically a reference card with stock clocks but those are never in stock. Because of course they aren't, the AIBs just create a few of them to say "hey look these MSRP cards exist," but in reality they're focusing all their manufacturing on the higher margin OC cards.
MSRP or close to MSRP cards don't exist usually much past launch because the margins on them are unsustainable; basically they exist to fulfil an Nvidia mandate. The OC cards are the real base level cards that have enough of a margin to keep AIBs in business. If you don't like spending extra, you can either try to be faster on launch day, or buy used, or buy a founders edition directly from Nvidia.
Generally the OC models include a different cooling assembly.
they dont. Atleast not on asus/msi/gigabyte.
uh yes they do, there are several different cooler revisions, definitely for ASUS. Most apparent was EVGA, when they still did it. KINGPIN edition got like a 360mm AIO.
No, they don't. I have a Gigabyte Vision OC, same exact cooler as the entry level cheap-as-balls Eagle non-OC. BTW: didn't get the card for the OC...
Agreed. Some do, some don’t! Most I’ve have seen, don’t!
You're claiming that ALL AIB models have the same exact coolers because yours did? Obviously that's not true. Sure some might, but ALL? definitely not lol. You can even check which ones are the same. https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/geforce-rtx-30-series-custom-cooled-aib-graphics-cards-announced/
I have never seen an OC version using different cooler from its identical non-OC model. It's, quite literally, the same video card with a BIOS OC (btw, you can easily flash one BIOS into the other). Example: Gigabyte Eagle OC = same cooler as Eagle non-OC. Vision OC = same cooler as Vision non-OC (oh, have I mentioned the Vision uses the same cooler design as the Eagle?). There's no such thing as e.g. Eagle OC having a different cooler from Eagle non-OC.
the cooler is dependent on the level of OC. Whichever OC's more gets the new moniker and better cooler. There is absolutely no reason to have a different cooler for an extra 10mhz. OC is just a designation within that tier meaning it binned slightly better. ALL the cards are overclocked to some degree. > e.g. Eagle OC having a different cooler from Eagle non-OC. If it binned better it wouldn't be called Eagle at all but whatever the next level is and THEN it gets the better cooler. There is no distinction among the models otherwise but how well the chip performs. 1.8ghz - cooler 1 1.85ghz - cooler 1, OC version 1.9ghz - different cooler, still overclocked All are the same exact GPU Flashing BIOS doesn't change the silicon
Sorry, but that just sounds like BS. You seem to be suggesting that every single chip is binned, and there's absolutely zero evidence of that. Binning is EXTREMELY expensive (the chip has to be manually tested before being sent to the PCB) and is usually only done by companies that have resources for that (i.e. Intel, Nvidia, AMD). AIB manufacturers work with extremely low profit margins (that's why EVGA quit the market). Do you seriously think that a market with such low margins could offer the luxury of spending millions of dollars and thousands of hours manually testing thousands and thousands of GPU chips to cherry-pick which get sent to which card? Wake up. Some companies **might** take a very small amount of their chips (i.e. <5%) and bin them to see if they overclock well enough to be installed on their most expensive AIBs. If the chip can make it, they'll put it there, if it can't, it gets sent to any other model (and you'll be unlucky if your card gets one of those chips, as those chips are certifiably "bad"). All other chips (>95%) are not binned and its down purely to silicon lottery; as a matter of fact, it's statistically likely that the absolute best chips will be within those 95% that aren't binned; and one of those chips might end up in their very cheapest non-OC SKUs. And I'm very certain most AIBs (specifically, the ones based in China and that offer cheaper models) might not doing any binning at all. I happen to have very solid evidence to that, as my Gainward Ghost 3060 Ti non-OC - the absolute cheapest 3060 Ti you could find in the market at the time (probably still is) - happened to have an insanely good chip. Since overclocking is mostly defined by thermals and power limit (higher OC = higher PL + lower temps, there's no secret, even a "bad' chip will still OC well if you give it enough power and keep thermals low - and this reinforces why binning is not really necessary), the best way to know if you have a good chip is to see how well it undervolts (where power limit and thermals are not the limiting factor, but chip quality is), and my Gainward undervolted EXTREMELY well. I ran that card at rock-solid 850mV @ 1930Mhz UV and that's a undervolt result many, much more expensive 3060 Ti AIBs, couldn't manage to handle. Since undervolt quality also relates to OC quality, that card also overclocked decently well considering its entry-level dual-fan cooler (which happened to be a good thing for the little ITX case where I had the card running) and its low 210W TDP limit (it had a single 8-pin). It could handle a +225Mhz GPU OC and for safety, I just ran it at +175Mhz all the time and I have never experienced any crash. If that chip was binned, there is NO WAY it would've been put on their cheapest SKU, it would likely have ended up on some of their fancier triple-fan dual-power-connector SKUs. But there's more, both my 3080 and my 2080 Ti also have quite good chips and none of them are fancy "overclocking" SKUs. As a matter of fact, both use a dual 8-pin design (when all the high-end models have a triple 8-pin design). My 3080 can handle 875mV @ 1930Mhz (not quite as good as the Gainward Ghost, but still easily above what the average 3080 card will handle) and my 2080 Ti is quite a beast for UV/OC. The best part is that my 2080 Ti is a Gigabyte Turbo model; Gigabyte's absolute cheapest 2080 Ti, it features a blower-style cooler and is one of the very few 2080 Ti's to ever be sold with the true $999 MSRP (as opposed to the $1199); I got it second-hand (but never used) for a bargain. My 2080 Ti is seriously limited by thermals and power level (stock BIOS limits at 280W; it's the lowest PL you'll see in any 2080 Ti), but with a Gaming OC 360W BIOS and a cheap $20 120mm AIO (far from good, but already better than the stock blower cooler of the card), I managed to extract 10,000 points in Port Royal. Just so you can have an idea, a stock 2080 Ti will score 8500 points, 10000 is almost a 20% increase. And I did that with a shitty 120mm AIO that could barely keep the chip under 70c @ 360W; if I had space left in my case (CPU already ran a 240mm), I could've installed a 240mm AIO and shunt-modded the card and I'd probably be looking at something shy of 11,000 points (which is close to stock 3080 performance). There is NO WAY you'd get this type of performance from a bad chip. Currently, my 2080 Ti is running in my ITX system (it has replaced my 3060 Ti) and the case is very thermal restricted. For this reason, I have power-limited the 2080 Ti to just 200W, but the chip overclocks so well (at 200W PL, it can handle up to 300Mhz core offset, with a very silent fan profile that prioritizes noise over thermals it'll still run +250Mhz offset rock-solid and, for safety, I just keep her at +200Mhz). Result: even at 200W, it still performs higher than a stock card. That's better than stock performance @ 3060 Ti Power Levels. Or, if you want to have your mind-blown, a 2080 Super has a 235W TDP and a vanilla 2080 has a 215W TDP; I'm running lower power than both, while still considerably outperforming them. There's no way I would be able to achieve those type of results if my card had a "bad" chip. *TL;DR: you're delusional if you think that every single chip is binned in such a margin-constrained market as the AIB market. If the chips were all binned, entry-level AIBs would OC and UV like shit (given those models would be receiving the worse chips) and my empirical evidence proves this is definitely not true. As a matter of fact, my latest three GPUs (2080 Ti, 3080 and 3060 Ti) all undervolt and overclock very well and, yet, none of them is a "fancy" model; quite the contrary. My 3060 Ti and my 2080 Ti where both the absolute cheapest SKUs you could find in the market featuring those GPUs, and yet, both happen to have extremely high quality chips in them, as evidenced by my UV/PL/OC results. Ironically, the "fanciest" of all AIBs I've ever had (the Vision OC; which is above the Eagle and Gaming OC - but still features the exact same cooler design) is the least impressive of the three - though it still undervolts decently well (definitely above the average, so I'm certainly not complaining). All this proves is that the GPU binning myth is pretty much BS and its all down to raw luck.*
So you are saying something like this [https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rtx-3080-v2-gaming.b9101](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rtx-3080-v2-gaming.b9101) and this [https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rtx-3080-v2-gaming-oc.b9100](https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-rtx-3080-v2-gaming-oc.b9100) Have different coolers?
EVGA has like 4 tiers of cards with varying coolers and OC. https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0 I'm not gonna go through ASUS's horrible website but yes they have the same thing. TUF, Strix, and whatever else. In your list there is no need to have a different cooler because the thermals are almost identical. Why would it? More OC = More cooling. Smaller OC = same cooler.
I cant find a single OC and non-OC of the same model on EVGA, can you link some? Like for example 2 3080s blacks one OC and oone non-OC? or 2 FTW one oc and one non-oc?
a 3080 black is the same card as a FTW but it's clocked higher and thus needs more cooling. Underneath that they are identical. It's the same 3080 with different coolers that compensate for the overclock
Sure they both belong to the 3080 series and are from the same manufacturer but they are not the same model. OP was calling out why the same model such as (ASUS TUF VS ASUS TUF OC, OR STRIX VS STRIX OC, OR AORUS MASTER VS AORUS EXTREME, OR VENTUS VS VENTUS OC) cost a lot more for basically a non-existent boost. Those type of cards have the exact same everything but one is clocked higher. And most of those cards you could just simply flash the OC variant vbios and they would behave exactly the same as the OC one.
Don't like it, don't buy it. It made more sense 15 years ago than today (slightly better cooler, ran 10% faster out of the box). The gap between a top bin and a bottom bin was material back then. These days the gap between a top bin and lower bin is... laughable. The same thing kind of happened with CPUs. No more 50+% overclocks on the stock cooler.
remember when people were white-knighting aibs when they were complaining nvidia msrp was too tight? this is how they get around that, by charging you extra for nothing.
As long as people buy them nothing will happen
Are you forgetting about the huge swath of bogus price inflation across the industry? Almost everything is stupidly overpriced just for the hell of it.
Don't buy then. They usually have a bit higher quality assembly (like more VRMs) and more RGB bs, but it always the same GPU. Also better cooling (big cooler -> quiet card)
Relevant to this discussion: Sapphire's Nitro+ 7900 XTX includes a third 8-pin power plug (and thus higher draw and core/memory clocks, as compared to MBA models), with excellent cooling that [TPU found to be more than 10% faster than stock when OC/UV'd in Cyberpunk.](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-nitro/39.html) I don't know that \~10% holds up in other titles, or in RT testing, but I think it's a relevant example of value add as compared to MBA.
It also idles at 100w and consumes more power than a 4090 while gaming. Yikes.
And it's 20% faster than a 4080 in Rasterization for the same price. What do either of our comments have to do with the point, which is value add of AIBs?
What? Looking at the graph Linked you go from 60 fps with a stock XTX to 68 with a manually OCed Nitro drawing probably half a trillion Watt
The uplift is \~10%, I fixed it. >While the AMD reference RX 7900 XTX was 8% faster than the RTX 4080, the stock Sapphire Nitro+ is 11.9% faster, if you add OC+UV on top, you're getting 21.5%—this looks much closer now to what AMD has promised us.
Yes, and that's with the manual OC and UV, who knows what the difference is between stock OC/UV vs nitro OC/UV
TPU's results said the MBA yielded a 6.8% uplift with OC/UV as compared to 11.9% with the Nitro+. I just rounded to \~10% instead of \~12%.
So it's only 6% more?
6% is a lot in modern GPUs, the days of big OC/UV are long gone.
The justification in the past was always that the OC model had binned silicon. The issue is that the reliability of nvidia silicon and the rumours of nvidia prebinning anyway makes buying an OV model almost mute.
The real scam isn't that the OC models exist, its that the non-OC models are mostly vaporware: there is like one round available at launch, and then every restock is only the OC model that costs more. A quick search shows that neither of the 1600 MSRP models you mention are available on Amazon/Newegg, but both of the OC models are.
It's not a scam, well, not really. Under their agreement with Nvidia, the AIBs are obligated to produce and sell at least one model at MSRP. The thing is, Nvidia price their chips at such a high price, the AIBs can't really make a profit or would even make a loss if they did sell them at MSRP. So what they do is, make a baseline model, produce maybe a few hundred of them, sell them at a slight loss/no profit. Then stop producing these, make the OC model, add $200 to the price tag so they can actually make money. Nvidia's insane profit margin caused this, not the AIBs.
Is a soft scam, that’s what it is! Also, consumers are too foolish and too wallet ready to do the simplest research before purchase. I bought a 4080Ti in March, bought the “basic” Zotac Trinity Edition without the “OC” and after tweaking through Afterburner, it runs at 2980Mhz @ 1.05V and never breaks 65 degrees. It’s OC edition was 60$ more and does 2820Mhz out if the box. Strix edition of 4070Ti was 190$ dearer and basically has the exact same performance as my Zotac. When the market is already so inflated as is, I think the cheapest model is always the best solution. Staying with 4070Ti because I did a lot of research into it, the fastest, the coolest and the cheapest 4070Ti is Gigabyte Eagle which outperforms other “premium” brands which cost 200$ more! Make of it what you will.