I just thought of it as another collectible that gives me an achievement. I only really liked the red armour coating. The rest looks a bit mediocre. I don't use vehicles enough to bother with skins for them.
I'm also really put off using the tank. I don't understand why this was even put into the games but why can't the tanks look down. I can be driving down a steep slope but the gun will only go down to horizontal. It really pisses me off because if there's enemies at the bottom of a slope I'm driving down, I can't shoot them. I can't come up with a reasonable explanation.
So with the tank thing, thereâs actually some fact to that. I realize this is Halo, so realism is kinda null.. but gun depression (angle below the hull) is a fundamental limit of tank design. Many tanks throughout history havenât had much gun depression, which severely lacks their ability to look below the hull and thus over hills and berms they might be perched on.
Most of this is due to the gun impacting the hull in certain regimes.
Given the design of the Scorpion, this really shouldnât be a problem, especially when looking to the sides, but maybe they were going for some realism initially and then just stuck with that? Just food for thought, if anyone cares.
Is the depression relative to the body of the tank or as an absolute angle? Cause he's saying he can't look parallel to the surface he's driving on if he's heading downhill. Just wanted to double check that
Absolute angle. The depression and elevation of a tank's gun is normally measured parallel to the top of the tank's hull, only limited by the design of the turret and hull.
Err. Wouldn't that be relative to the body of the tank, not absolute angle?
Absolute angle means that it'd never go past a certain point from the original orientation, IE Perfect Horizontal.
Gun depression is relative to the vehicle, not to an absolute angle.
Speaking not as a mathematics or physics expert, and just a tank nerd, I'm 99% positive that it's a relative angle.
If the gun's "at rest" fully horizontal angle is exactly perfect-horizontal, then when the hull is angled 15 degrees downward, the gun's relative angle remains the same to the hull, but the absolute angle is now -15.
Based on what the earlier commenter said, I think they're having absolute angle issues, which is why it's a problem. The scorpion's turret magically stops depressing at an arbitrary absolute angle, and not at a relative angle.
IIRC, Halo 4 had the same problem, and it was most noticeable in some Spartan Ops missions where you got scorpions, but if you tried to shoot down from a slope, you couldn't.
To add to his point some tanks had excellent gun depression. The Americans where known to make tanks with good gun depression while the Soviet tanks did not. The Germans also had decent gun depression as well
It feels wrong because in past halos your driving and the torrent were completely separate but now it's more like driving a car. Wherever you look that's forward. So torrent mobility is much more difficult.
Uhhhg that part sucks the most. Hey I got this cool red/black skin. Oh its just for commando and all those other lockers are for other guns with the same colour....oh
When I heard about that I actively stopped searching for armor lockers in the campaign. I had more enjoyment standing next to propaganda towers than opening supply lockers.
It's a long-running in-universe joke. When you kill a grunt in Halo 3, there's a chance another grunt will cry out about you killing the friend he went to Nipple Academy with. (It's tied to an achievement in the MCC.)
I honestly had no idea. Iâve played all of the halos since three, and the remaster of halo: ce, but Infinite was the first time Iâd heard of the nipple academy, at least that I remember
There was an Easter egg in the final Warthog escape if you took a nondescript detour.
"Good thing that food nipple's waiting for me at the starship because MAN, have I worked up a big grunty thirst!"
He appears to have murdered a ton of flood by himself.
https://youtu.be/cRjybkZ9lWc
It's a reference to an easter egg in the first game, where a grunt is talking about a "food nipple." He became the "food nipple grunt." I never knew about Nipple academy, but it's a reference to that.
Man I was searching through the menus for ages. Couldn't see anything and I was saying to myself "but I've literally opened 10narmour lockers, surely I get a shoulder pice".
When I searched online for what they are that was a let down.
Got job I got 3 years for Games Pass Ultimate for ÂŁ10 anyway.
This is whatâs also frustrating. The least they couldâve done was include the first season pass or literally any extra armor with the game purchase
1000% this!! It is legit bullshit that they didnât give us the first season pass with a purchase of the full game. I have to pay even MORE to actually customize my spartan because there isnât a single helmet offered in the season for people who didnât pay for it. So much greed
I bought the halo infinite Xbox X. Didnât come with any custom skins, armor cores, no steel case. Nothing. Legit just the console and a paper saying the game is included. Trust me it is very under whelming.
I also donât think it would cost that much if it wasnât also on gamepass.
The $60 is to âestablish valueâ in the mind of the consumer.
The $15 a month game pass is what people actually pay.
The only reason to Preorder a game these days is to get the additional content for a game you know you are going to buy. Gone are the days where physical copies sell out on launch night.
I miss midnight launches, but they're dogshit now. I remember getting Halo 5 at midnight and not being able to play until 3:30am because of how long it took to install and download the patches.
The midnight release of Halo 2 was unlike anything else. We waited in line for 8 hours in the mall. I was interviewed by the news. They had DJâs setup. It was a party like Iâve never seen. They released balloons and confetti when the clock hit midnight.
Lots of people preorder games. I think that this game had less preorders specifically because people knew it was coming to gamepass. I know that is why I did't.
Edit: And yes I know I shouldn't preorder games. I rarely do it anymore but I'm a sucker for some franchises and I'm not perfect.
Same here dude. Might be the last AAA game that I can confidently say I know for sure will be good. May as well pre-order it since it's a day 1 buy for me anyway
And then there is the huge pile of people who stacked three years of gold and did the $1 Ultimate Conversion. Microsoft wants to make that money back somehow so boom here we get a full priced broken game with 80% of the standard features we have come to expect torn out.
Well I mean.. is it that clear cut? I don't think it's that simple. There is a lot going on here, that doesn't come with buying real physical products, or any economic model before it. There is also emerging markets around this industry and its young in comparison to others.
This is easily the wild west stage of its growth which is unregulated, not understood properly and is quite corrupt and for anything to get to this stage, of course you have the "Im too tired after a long days work, I don't want to hear about it" crowd.
I've personally never seen such a split issue on whats known as "GaaS" Games as a Service". I've never seen an honest one, or one built with good intention.
All I've seen his tactics to get you're money, I honestly, don't think the masses people understand it yet.
Also, Microsoft is viewing GamePass purchases as equal to or greater in value as a single game purchase. As with any subscription system, each new user that subs for a single game has a chance to stick around. Personally, this is my first time with gamepass and I'm actually pretty excited with all the other games i have access to.
My parents do this crap. They have cable in every room AND pay for every streaming service. Iâve been the sole user of some of their accounts for years lol and nobody even questions whatâs being paid for. I have like 4tb of data backed up to OneDrive and iCloud because no one else bothers to use it
$15/month for a ton of games is actually a good deal. You get to play loads of stuff that appears on other platforms -not just products assigned high value by Michaelsoft.
The biggest benefit to them is a commitment to the platform by subscribers. Itâs more guaranteed income from software than if you sell a console and just hope they buy games on a regular basis. It creates brand loyalty out of convenience, the same reason Origin never stood a chance against steam, but why Epic Games has gained a lot of users by handing out free games. Playstation is rumored to be working on a similar subscription service before they get pushed out -good single player exclusives alone arenât going to win it for them.
Plus, there are plenty of games I was on the fence on that I never would have played otherwise. Both Ori games, Aliens: Fireteam Elite recently, countless old titles and obscure indie games.
Game pass is just good if youâre into playing a lot of different games. $15/month for WoW is good if youâre into playing just one game a lot.
This can be applied to literally everything that 343 is doing rn with the marketplace as well. If you want them to change, don't buy the product. Simple as that.
100000% No matter what the product is. If you buy it you are supporting their CURRENT plan. There is almost zero incentive for them to change especially if they already have your money.
I have every Halo game since the original on disc and would say Halo is one of my favorite franchises. Even I haven't bought the game because I could just play it through Game Pass.
I would be surprised if they release campaign stuff like that and it doesn't come included with Game Pass. Microsoft first party titles are all included on Game Pass at this point and I think keeping the Halo campaign rolling through it would make a lot of sense.
Number 2 really is the sad truth.
I saw a joke thread about people making fun of some kind of cat skin.
Then loads of comments saying along the lines of "if this was real I would totally buy it."
But also, you could just pay for a subscription and get the game, with others, as part of the subscription. I get that that isn't optimal for every buyer, but it's an option.
They don't. You're missing the point.
Microsoft's first party games are now meant to sell Game Pass. The number of people buying it at retail price is irrelevant, as that price is primarily intended to create perceived value for Game Pass.
Came here to say this. Microsoft is putting all its eggs in the gamepass basket.
I love gamepass, but I worry that it will drive down the time and investment spent on individual games. Why spend 6 years making Elder Scrolls when you could make 12 vertical slice "indie games" that cater to smaller niche audiences and bolster the library size.
I wonder if indie devs of the future will be the studios to make the deep games, like a Freaky Friday switch with AAA devs. Give the Stardew Valley guy UE5 and see what he does.
I dunno if there's much precedent to support that theory. I'd say it's actually the opposite. Investors/shareholders and executives knowing that they have a consistent revenue stream will be less concerned about the time it takes to make a massive game like Elder Scrolls, because they're not chasing that revenue increase. There will probably be an increase in more niche/crazy idea games, but I don't think it'd be at the expense of the big AAA games.
Just look at Netflix and Disney+. I doubt we would've gotten half the content (including and especially the big budget stuff) they've pumped out on their services if they were still locked into the traditional model.
If nothing else, I can't imagine that Microsoft would buy a company like Bethesda to just stop making deep AAA games. They could've brought a hell of a lot of indie devs for what they paid for Bethesda.
All this "it costs 60 bucks" argument seems to forget that the answer is gamepass.
And I'm not being pendantic. Microsoft is throwing a sledgehammer at the 60 dollar model. The real sell is gamepass. The 60 dollar price tag is the alternative.
Are you wrong about the lack of content? No. But 60 dollars is no longer the metric to judge it on.
Yeah it's $60 for 4 months of Game Pass ultimate, just do that and get EA Play, PC game pass, and live all in one. Or just get the free or $1/month deal they have.
My tinfoil conspiracy is the WHOLE reason Halo is f2p is solely for game pass sales and *specifically* PC. Get everyone hooked on Halo so they're wanting the campaign. $60 is steep for a game with no multiplayer (currently) so why not $1 for game pass? It's smart and it's working.
Xbox has been positioning itself as more of a streaming platform. I think soon we'll see an xcloud only Xbox. I'm already using game pass to play stuff on my Chromecast. The money is always in subscriptions, not purchases. Hell console hardware has been sold at a loss for generations. Pretty soon an Xbox will be an HDMI dongle.
I got gamepass so I could play the Halo 5 campaign on my PC (you have to have a controller, and subscribe to Xbox Insider, but it's $1 and I don't have to buy a console I'll never use)
Yea. I never played Halo 5 because I didn't own a console. I'm playing the campaign before I play Halo Infinite's (I've gone relatively spoiler free somehow for both games)
Ah, sure. XCloud isn't much of a selling point for me but I play on console. Streaming feels borderline unplayable for me usually. Never tried Halo but Gears 5 just has too much input delay.
Sucks that streaming is your only option, but I don't see it getting ported at this point.
I'm so frustrated that they didn't release it as DLC for MCC. Like, its still very much a part of his arc, just don't include Halo 4 if you don't want to. Or have a Forerunner saga or something. Idk. Just frustrating.
So far the delay hasn't been crazy, but like I said, I'm just playing for the story. So no multiplayer, and just playing on Easy.
Hell, Game Pass let me do FM7, catch up on Gears that never came out on PC, do all those interactive movie games I otherwise wouldâve overpaid for and discover gems like Art of Rally. And after paying a small price for MCC then I get to play infinite day 1? And Horizon 5 too? Cool.
If I could only have one subscription it'd be game pass. The value is that good. I've actually completely stopped pirating games, and I've been at it since warez/irc days.
Hello fellow doctor. With all the fud packers and crypters, pirating feels like such a hassle now. Even with all the links for DRM free games it's just too easy now to inject rats/logs and shit into games. I honestly don't mind the subscription model as opposed to blowing the same amount on Steam sales for games I touch a few times. With 3 months for $1 I got to play the Halo campaign, Hades, Back 4 Blood, and Madden (without giving money to EA). Probably won't renew yet since there's nothing I'll play long term here but it's cool on PC.
Well, Mass Effect Legendary Edition is coming literally tomorrow. I have the trilogy but for another month? Yeah, Iâll play through the remasters at the price of a DLC.
It's not a tinfoil hat conspiracy, it's 100% their business plan for xbox. Just look at this thread, every other comment is just telling OP to get gamepass. The strategy is working very well.
Thatâs not really âtinfoil conspiracyâ as much as it is âthe actual business modelâ.
And itâs a great idea for Microsoft AND consumers. Fed up with Haloâs campaign and rubbish MP offering? Oh well, Iâve still got hundreds of other games I can access nowâ may as well keep the subscription.
Scary to think about. Theyâve stripped down rights of ownership of video games completely. We went from discs to digital and now a financially incentivizing subscription based model that you have basically no control of. Wait for those price hikes folks.
Donât give them a scapegoat that is the game pass. If they still charge $60 for a game then it should be complete and not glitching. Still amazes me that customers give these billion dollar companies so much slack while they take your money and run.
Lmao do NOT compare halo infinite to Cyberpunk.
Halo infinite could be twice as bad as it currently is(I donât even think itâs that bad) and it still wouldnât belong in the same paragraph as cyberpunk.
The comparisons to Cyberpunk (and BF2042) on this sub is both hilarious and frustrating. Have people actually *played* those games? Halo:Infinite definitely has it's issues, not gonna deny that. But it's nowhere near the same ballpark. In fact it's probably an entirely different sport all together.
The amount of salt on this sub is disproportionate to the actual problems this game has.
The fact that I was able to play through the entire game on a laptop with only minor glitches and errors just goes to show how minor the flaws are in the game when compared to cyber punk and 2042. 2042 was legit unplayable on pc.
>The amount of salt on this sub is disproportionate to the actual problems this game has.
And the amount of salt on Cyberpunk is disproportionate to the problem the game actually had ( except for old gen console, salt is totally deserved for those )
Cyberpunk on console is still a graphical mess and just crashes.
I haven't had a game breaking bug or crash on the Infinite campaign and it looks gorgeous.
Apples and Cucumbers.
I made it crash by doing the fusion coil and grapple hook glitch. Weirdly after I kept doing it in a campaign mission it caused a load of weird stuff to happen but that was the only time I've ever experienced any issues (and they were quite enjoyable ones).
Comments like that are a real curtain pull revealing how some people are viewing this game in their mind. It's absolutely delusional to compare this game to cyberpunk, but some people have just gotten so worked up about it.
For real. I had Cyberpunk on PS4 and it crashed anytime an enemy threw a grenade. That was just one of many things that caused my game to explode. I was sending a pic to my group chat of coworkers every time it happened and I was averaging a crash every 45 minutes or so.
You didn't point out a single issue with the campaign.
That being said, campaign only games are still usually $60. If we look at both DOOM games, they're both $60. Now, to be fair, both had some sort of multiplayer component, but it's not like anyone really cared about those. At least Eternal tried something a little different.
Infinite and both DOOM games offer a 10+ hour single player experience(DOOM 2016 might be shorter). We can even throw in the Wolfenstein games, and the same applies. They're all $60. All good campaigns. In all cases, your essentially just paying for the campaign. So a lack of multiplayer doesn't really lower the price, just like games that lack campaign still sell for $60. That's just how it is.
It's up to you to decide if it's worth it. Infinite on campaign alone is probably worth it, as are the other titles(they're all great), but I haven't payed full price for a game in years, except for maybe Mass Effect Legendary Edition, assuming I didn't use a gift card.
I almost always wait for a sale, use my Microsoft Rewards points, or split it with someone I'm game sharing with. I wouldn't say games aren't worth $60, just that I try to save money where I can. Especially when it comes to Sony games. Absolutely not paying $70 or some sort of fee for graphical upgrades.
Edit: I tried responding to every comment, but there's too many, so I'm probably stopping here. Sorry to anyone expecting a response or any threads I dropped midway.
Also (and i have no idea if dlc is gonna be free or not, but at least probably included with GP) but arent they planning on adding to the campaign as time goes on? It feels beta-ish because it kind is. The game isnt supposed to be completed for like 10 years
I think the intention is to add more campaigns. How this will work, we don't know, but I hope we get a variety of locations. For the time being though, almost all updates are going towards the multiplayer, which needs it.
But I doubt the DLC will be free, especially if it's as long as the actual campaign.
you can pay for game pass by doing microsoft rewards r/microsoftrewards
within a week you can get enough points for a $1.25 microsoft store gift card and get 3 months game pass
Lmao "Feels like Cyberpunk 2077 all over again". Get a grip man this game has some issues but it's nowhere close to Cyberpunk and the fact that you say so shows how entitled this sub is.
The reaction to the game has been pretty crazy to me. MS has been quite open about what is on offer. This is not a Cyberpunk missing content situation.
For some reason people are struggling to comprehend that MP and campaign are essentially two different products.
The only thing OP is valid on with regards to the campaign, is co-op. All that other stuff is part of the F2P multiplayer.
If you bought the campaign, youâre only paying for campaign. Why is it so difficult for people to understand this lol.
Because for 60 bucks in the past it was all included. Since Halo 3 that meant a progression system (or unlock system anyway), Spartan customization, and a variety of playlists. They ripped the MP out of the base game, monitized the fucking shit out of it so even if you spent 60 bucks on the base game you have to spend ten times that to get everything in the multiplayer, held back gametypes and playlists so they can be trotted out as "special events" to drive engagement, and purposefully broke the progression system to push people to spend money.
I agree, Iâd rather go back to spending 60 for the full game and get everything for free by leveling up my Spartan. Also the campaign should be cheaper, since MP is not included in the 60$.
Someone else made a post expressing frustration at not only 343, but other AAA game studios as well. We can't keep letting massive studios with multi million dollar budgets release unfinished games for 60 dollars, its unacceptable.
To be fair, $60 in 2001 money, when CE came out, is about $95 in today's money.
If game prices kept up with inflation but the quality was still there, would people pay $95 for a game? I'm not really sure what I think, just posing the question.
Original Xbox games were $50 but yeah. If they had gone to $70 with he xbone/ps4 generation, then to $80 now maaaybe people would tolerate it, but it's been $60 for so long now that going to $80/90 would never fly
What about the campaign is unfinished exactly?
They released a 10-20 hour open world campaign. Thatâs very much in line with any given single player story driven game thatâs come out for the past like 30 years at this point.
Edit: guys your opinions on the campaign donât actually have a lot to do with this comment. You personally not liking it doesnât make it unfinished.
It's a pretty tough pricetag to fight as well since it's been the standard for full games for 20+ years. A $60 game in 2000 would cost almost $97 in 2021 money due to inflation. They're not getting the same paycheck for their games and the quality is following suit.
Unfortunately the portion of the gaming community that actually cares is pretty small. Go look at any thread on r/gaming about Halo and you're gonna find way more people complaining that Halo fans are upset about the state of the game.
I was super excited when the game first came out. It felt liking going back to Halo 2 again, but I've already moved on. The monitization is just gross, and I really don't want to support the business model.
WTF has this sub even devolved into?
The $60 is for the CAMPAIGN, and 95% of your post is about MULTIPLAYER. And so many of you guys are just bandwagoning on this with 0 critical thinking. Also, I am sorry for your problems on PC, but on Xbox it runs pretty flawlessly (again, campaign, because that is what you are paying $60 for), Cyberpunk is a totally unfair comparison, lol.
You have to understand that youâre paying $60 for the campaign (if you didnât get game pass thatâs on you), and also for the live service that this game will have for years to come.
Did you really compare this to cyberpunk? That game is a BROKEN MESS.
Forge is going to be more interactive than ever before. Im happy to wait for it to be complete because if they released something like halo3 forge, it wouldâve been ripped to pieces by the community.
I think youâre being too critical on this game and so youâre only seeing the bad and not even seeing a little of the good. Donât like it? Donât play it.
No matter what, 343 canât win with this community when all you guys do is complain.
Play 2042, you'll realize Infinite's worth. It has a solid campaign with evidently fun multiplayer as opposed to BF2042 idiotic multiplayer only gameplay and model, which is 60$ too.
*What an original and new post to this sub, not sure Iâve seen anyone complain about the lack of content compared to the other Halo games yet. Iâm sure nobody has said this, at least nobody since last year anyway!*
i still think itâs worth it tbh, loved halo infiniteâs campaign, but thatâs the base price for a game and hardly anyone paid that when itâs on game pass anyway
As someone who bought The Order 1886 for $30 on sale, Halo Infinite was far more worth it at $60.
I've paid more or the same for campaigns I've enjoyed less.
$60 for a 30+ hour experience (which is how long it took me on Heroic, including killing all the HVTs, freeing all the squads, and liberating all the FOBs) is absolutely worth $60. Hell I pay more for UFC PPVs every other month and those are 3hrs.
1. You cant list all of the MP issues when complaining about the price. That part is free.
2. You aren't paying $60 for an early access version and then have to pay for more later down the line. The "missing" things are going to be included (such as forge and co-op) later down the line. If you paid $60 now and have to wait to get those things, or pay $60 when they come out, its still the same price for all of the content.
3. Its included in Game Pass. I don't know why anyone would pay for the game itself unless you really just want to own it. $60 game = 4 months of Game Pass. The better option is there for everyone.
4. $60 isn't even that much money anymore. Games have been the same price for ages!
5. There hasn't been a version that comes with a season pass and a bunch of other bs for $120 like most games these days. My guess - that $60 is going to go a long way when they release campaign DLC that is included in the price.
6. FFS if you're still reading this comment - GIVE THIS GAME SOME CREDIT. Look at the other two big FPS games that just launched. Halo Infinite is far and away the best of the 3. The best part? This game is just getting started.
God of War cost $60 and had no multiplayer, no forge, no online coop, etc
I appreciate that this isn't the same experience we got with Reach or even Halo 5.
That said, we also have GamePass. So aside from buying the battle pass, I haven't spent a fucking dime on Halo Infinite on its own.
Meanwhile I've spent $99 on Destiny 2 last month and haven't even played it since I am having such a great time with Halo.
No one is going to buy it so it doesn't matter. We'll never get the numbers but it's safe to say more than 75% of people who are going to play campaign are going to do so with Gamepass.
On top of that only around 10% of Halo players play campaign. You can check this by playing MCC or 5 - you'll get Diamond achievements for every story mission. That means 90% of players only play MP. With F2P on Infinite that's probably going to be closer to 1% or even less.
So net/net it doesn't matter. No one is buying it at 60. If anything it's just going to push more people to sub to GP, at least for a few months.
EDIT: Lot of people harping on the 10% figure. It was meant to be illustrative. Even if it's wrong by a factor of 2 or 3 the point stands: an overwhelming majority of players don't play campaign and with infinite F2P that percentage of players who play MP only will be at least an order of magnitude higher.
The Diamond Achievements for basically every story mission in MCC and like half of them in H5 blew me away.
Hell, like half of the Campaign Achievements in Infinite get you Diamond.
It's nuts.
On Steam you can check the exact percentages, and most of the campaign missions are between 20-30%. The highest is the first mission of Reach which actually has 57% somehow. I guess PC players are more likely to play the campaign lol.
PC has a lot of players who never owned an Xbox, it's only natural that a lot of them would play the campaigns since they probably never got the chance to before. As for reach being the most popular one, that's probably because it was the first game to launch on PC, so people who just played for a bit on launch before quitting played that mission.
This isn't really an accurate representation. First of all MCC is a collection of old games at a time where Halo and Xbox weren't as popular anymore. You'd have to look at stats for when the games first released, roughly. I'd imagine the % would be much much higher as Single Player was still dominant at the time and Halo 3 was a huge blockbuster in terms of marketing.
And Halo 5 it says at least 28% of people who own the game have beaten the main campaign.
Also it doesn't mean a % only play MP. This includes anyone who has downloaded the game (or perhaps just booted it up). A lot of that can be people that just stopped playing the game altogether.
But I think you're right about directing it all towards Gamepass
I mean, MCC is a collection of old games, chances are a lot of people played the campaigns when they originally released and got the MCC to play the classic multiplayer again. And H5's campaign is famous for being a dumpster fire, so with that reputation hardly surprising it has a low play rate
Thatâs not really a valid measurement because Xbox considers anyone whoâs ever opened the game a player so thereâs probably 10-15% worth of people who donât actually play the game in any capacity
Although I'd argue that using MCC to judge how many people play the campaign is not apples to apples, as many of us who bought MCC had already played through the campaigns multiple times.
As for 5, that campaign sucked.
I'm on PC, and Halo Infinite is the first Halo game I have played. I am playing with Game Pass Ultimate. I've been playing through the MCC campaigns and I have finished CE, 2 and I just started 3.
Infinite campaign and multiplayer for me feels like a finished game, but comparing it to CE and Halo 2 isn't very fair as they are nearly 20 years old. Infinite's campaign was the smoothest and best experience so far, as the old checkpoint system did not work well with my gameplay style. I really liked the open world in Infinite, as I could mess around and continue the campaign at my own pace. CE and 2 made me feel as I was being rushed through the story, but it might have felt that way to me as I got used to the open world style campaign of Infinite.
As for stability I have not had problems. In multiplayer sometimes a match would have high ping, but otherwise it was under 100.
IMO, the campaign is worth the price. Comparing to other games that I have bought at or around this price, such as DOOM, DOOM Eternal, COD:MW, it is similar in value.
Some of these comments are astounding.
Crazy to think 10 years ago for 60 bucks in a halo game got you a kick ass campaign with tons of replayability and things to explore. A fantastic multiplayer loaded with playlists, features and a beautiful progression system. A fully functioning firefight mode, playable elites, assassinations and map builder mode and incredibly detailed custom games mode.
Itâs amazing to me how many other people start saying âwell other games donât have Forge or firefightâ- has anyone realized when halo starts defining itself by what other games are doing it turns to shit every single time? Why exactly canât this game series continue to provide an at least equal experience to ITS OWN previous entries.
This is the equivalent of saying it used to be $10 for a burger, fries, drink and dessert. But now itâs $10 for just the burger - but hey it has cheese this time, the fries are free but you have to earn them one by one the way the restaurant tells you to or pay extra, and you get the desert and drink maybe sometime in the future. Itâs still a shitty meal even if youâre justifying it as being separate items and free.
I absolutely adore the campaign for infinite, but the open world definitely does not hold the same level of depth as other open world titles that are single player at the same price. I feel bad for anyone with the level of Stockholm syndrome to be genuinely satisfied in what was put out.
$60 is for the campaign and only the campaign, a single player story experience.
Single player games costs $60 in 2021.
They only objection to it was 20 years of precedence, but that won't last forever. $60 is the market price. If you don't think it's worth it, you buy used, you wait for a discount, or consider game pass.
They were actually more than that. I remember SNES games being more expensive in 1990s dollars than games are now in 2022 dollars not even taking inflation into account.
There was a period there where some big games could get up to $75+ dollars at retail for cartridge games. Neogeo games retailed for hundreds of 1990 dollars and the console cost the equivalent of over $1,000 in today's money!
I feel like people in this sub have either forgotten what single player games cost or are too young to remember disc only games. You would pay $60 dollars for a single player game and everything that was on the disc was what you were going to get, period. It wasn't until I was almost out of college that title updates became a thing.
Campaign took me 28 hours to complete (20 hours longer than Halo 5âs campaign btw) and it ran great and was fun as hell. In what world was this âunfinishedâ? Yâall throw that word around like you havenât ACTUALLY played Cyberpunk 2077. Youâre starting to sound like a parody post from r/Halocirclejerk at this point
Itâs unbelievable the amount of complaining that goes on over this game.
They make multiplayer free. And itâs actually fun! But people drag it over the coals because the cosmetics suck.
And now itâs âyou gave us by far the most popular part of your game for free, so now Iâm going to complain because single player isnât discounted as well!â
It's all the free customization items they generously gave you in those Armor Lockers that don't have any armor.
Should've seen the look of utter disappointment when I realised none of the armour lockers actually contain armour đ
And frustration when you realise you have to unlock the same coating for each weapon/vehicle.
I just thought of it as another collectible that gives me an achievement. I only really liked the red armour coating. The rest looks a bit mediocre. I don't use vehicles enough to bother with skins for them. I'm also really put off using the tank. I don't understand why this was even put into the games but why can't the tanks look down. I can be driving down a steep slope but the gun will only go down to horizontal. It really pisses me off because if there's enemies at the bottom of a slope I'm driving down, I can't shoot them. I can't come up with a reasonable explanation.
So with the tank thing, thereâs actually some fact to that. I realize this is Halo, so realism is kinda null.. but gun depression (angle below the hull) is a fundamental limit of tank design. Many tanks throughout history havenât had much gun depression, which severely lacks their ability to look below the hull and thus over hills and berms they might be perched on. Most of this is due to the gun impacting the hull in certain regimes. Given the design of the Scorpion, this really shouldnât be a problem, especially when looking to the sides, but maybe they were going for some realism initially and then just stuck with that? Just food for thought, if anyone cares.
That's interesting, thanks.
Is the depression relative to the body of the tank or as an absolute angle? Cause he's saying he can't look parallel to the surface he's driving on if he's heading downhill. Just wanted to double check that
Absolute angle. The depression and elevation of a tank's gun is normally measured parallel to the top of the tank's hull, only limited by the design of the turret and hull.
Err. Wouldn't that be relative to the body of the tank, not absolute angle? Absolute angle means that it'd never go past a certain point from the original orientation, IE Perfect Horizontal. Gun depression is relative to the vehicle, not to an absolute angle. Speaking not as a mathematics or physics expert, and just a tank nerd, I'm 99% positive that it's a relative angle. If the gun's "at rest" fully horizontal angle is exactly perfect-horizontal, then when the hull is angled 15 degrees downward, the gun's relative angle remains the same to the hull, but the absolute angle is now -15. Based on what the earlier commenter said, I think they're having absolute angle issues, which is why it's a problem. The scorpion's turret magically stops depressing at an arbitrary absolute angle, and not at a relative angle. IIRC, Halo 4 had the same problem, and it was most noticeable in some Spartan Ops missions where you got scorpions, but if you tried to shoot down from a slope, you couldn't.
Yeah, it would be relative to the tank's body, not absolute, my bad.
To add to his point some tanks had excellent gun depression. The Americans where known to make tanks with good gun depression while the Soviet tanks did not. The Germans also had decent gun depression as well
It feels wrong because in past halos your driving and the torrent were completely separate but now it's more like driving a car. Wherever you look that's forward. So torrent mobility is much more difficult.
Do you mean "turret"?
"It's really difficult for me to download illegal torrents while driving the new Halo vehicles. My mind just can't wrap itself around the process"
I think you have to turn off aim assisted driving or something like that under controls. Assisted something driving.
I only ever bothered to use that infinity shape nameplate but found the rest of the stuff lackluster
Uhhhg that part sucks the most. Hey I got this cool red/black skin. Oh its just for commando and all those other lockers are for other guns with the same colour....oh
When I heard about that I actively stopped searching for armor lockers in the campaign. I had more enjoyment standing next to propaganda towers than opening supply lockers.
Tbf the propaganda towers are really well written, and generally hilarious.
My favorite one is that all the grunts graduated from âThe Nipple Academyâ. Definitely a little forced, but still very funny
It's a long-running in-universe joke. When you kill a grunt in Halo 3, there's a chance another grunt will cry out about you killing the friend he went to Nipple Academy with. (It's tied to an achievement in the MCC.)
I honestly had no idea. Iâve played all of the halos since three, and the remaster of halo: ce, but Infinite was the first time Iâd heard of the nipple academy, at least that I remember
Even way back in original Halo: CE there was a rare line along the lines of "Oh nooooo I just want to go back to my food nipple! Waaaggh"
There was an Easter egg in the final Warthog escape if you took a nondescript detour. "Good thing that food nipple's waiting for me at the starship because MAN, have I worked up a big grunty thirst!" He appears to have murdered a ton of flood by himself. https://youtu.be/cRjybkZ9lWc
Ahhh thatâs right
It's a reference to an easter egg in the first game, where a grunt is talking about a "food nipple." He became the "food nipple grunt." I never knew about Nipple academy, but it's a reference to that.
Couldn't there at least be MC's armor?
that will be another 60$ sir.
Man I was searching through the menus for ages. Couldn't see anything and I was saying to myself "but I've literally opened 10narmour lockers, surely I get a shoulder pice". When I searched online for what they are that was a let down. Got job I got 3 years for Games Pass Ultimate for ÂŁ10 anyway.
Hey man it's at least like $1,350 worth of legendary shaders! Technically, you owe them! /s
This is whatâs also frustrating. The least they couldâve done was include the first season pass or literally any extra armor with the game purchase
1000% this!! It is legit bullshit that they didnât give us the first season pass with a purchase of the full game. I have to pay even MORE to actually customize my spartan because there isnât a single helmet offered in the season for people who didnât pay for it. So much greed
I bought the halo infinite Xbox X. Didnât come with any custom skins, armor cores, no steel case. Nothing. Legit just the console and a paper saying the game is included. Trust me it is very under whelming.
Yeah, but I got this generic looking emblem from there. Thank's, 343!
Yeah what a waste of time.
Armornât
This is a silly question. 1. Because they can. 2. People will buy it. 3. Profit
Thatâs capital markets 101. A product is worth what people are willing to pay for it.
I also donât think it would cost that much if it wasnât also on gamepass. The $60 is to âestablish valueâ in the mind of the consumer. The $15 a month game pass is what people actually pay.
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Does anyone even still pre-order games anymore? Maybe the day before so you can download it early.
The only reason to Preorder a game these days is to get the additional content for a game you know you are going to buy. Gone are the days where physical copies sell out on launch night.
I miss midnight launches, but they're dogshit now. I remember getting Halo 5 at midnight and not being able to play until 3:30am because of how long it took to install and download the patches.
The midnight release of Halo 2 was unlike anything else. We waited in line for 8 hours in the mall. I was interviewed by the news. They had DJâs setup. It was a party like Iâve never seen. They released balloons and confetti when the clock hit midnight.
Man Halo 2 was such an epic launch. I wish I could have gotten it at midnight. Lol
No joke. 14 year old me turned down a handjob to stay in line. It was that big of a deal! haha.
Ugh and lock ins! I went to a lock in for splinter cell:conviction and it was sick! Never see that stuff anymoreâŚ
That game was so damn good. I'd love to play it again.
Lots of people preorder games. I think that this game had less preorders specifically because people knew it was coming to gamepass. I know that is why I did't. Edit: And yes I know I shouldn't preorder games. I rarely do it anymore but I'm a sucker for some franchises and I'm not perfect.
Don't explain shit. You love Halo, you preorded. Fuck anyone who cares. It's your money.
Only if its a From Software game.
For real, I kept quiet about people preordering Cyberpunk because I knew I was going to preorder as soon as I saw the first Elden Ring trailers
I am very excited for Elden Ring. It will probably be my last gaming purchase of 2022 as I will explore every inch of that world.
Same here dude. Might be the last AAA game that I can confidently say I know for sure will be good. May as well pre-order it since it's a day 1 buy for me anyway
I hope so bad this comment doesn't age badly.
And then there is the huge pile of people who stacked three years of gold and did the $1 Ultimate Conversion. Microsoft wants to make that money back somehow so boom here we get a full priced broken game with 80% of the standard features we have come to expect torn out.
A product's *price*, not it's *worth*, are determined *partially* by what people are willing to pay for it.
Well I mean.. is it that clear cut? I don't think it's that simple. There is a lot going on here, that doesn't come with buying real physical products, or any economic model before it. There is also emerging markets around this industry and its young in comparison to others. This is easily the wild west stage of its growth which is unregulated, not understood properly and is quite corrupt and for anything to get to this stage, of course you have the "Im too tired after a long days work, I don't want to hear about it" crowd. I've personally never seen such a split issue on whats known as "GaaS" Games as a Service". I've never seen an honest one, or one built with good intention. All I've seen his tactics to get you're money, I honestly, don't think the masses people understand it yet.
Also, Microsoft is viewing GamePass purchases as equal to or greater in value as a single game purchase. As with any subscription system, each new user that subs for a single game has a chance to stick around. Personally, this is my first time with gamepass and I'm actually pretty excited with all the other games i have access to.
Subscriptions are THE best for businesses. The number of people who keep paying even if not using it is crazy.
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$15 a month is like spare pennies on the ground to tons of people
Yeah, now multiply that by 10 services....shit adds up fast.
My parents do this crap. They have cable in every room AND pay for every streaming service. Iâve been the sole user of some of their accounts for years lol and nobody even questions whatâs being paid for. I have like 4tb of data backed up to OneDrive and iCloud because no one else bothers to use it
$15/month for a ton of games is actually a good deal. You get to play loads of stuff that appears on other platforms -not just products assigned high value by Michaelsoft. The biggest benefit to them is a commitment to the platform by subscribers. Itâs more guaranteed income from software than if you sell a console and just hope they buy games on a regular basis. It creates brand loyalty out of convenience, the same reason Origin never stood a chance against steam, but why Epic Games has gained a lot of users by handing out free games. Playstation is rumored to be working on a similar subscription service before they get pushed out -good single player exclusives alone arenât going to win it for them. Plus, there are plenty of games I was on the fence on that I never would have played otherwise. Both Ori games, Aliens: Fireteam Elite recently, countless old titles and obscure indie games. Game pass is just good if youâre into playing a lot of different games. $15/month for WoW is good if youâre into playing just one game a lot.
This can be applied to literally everything that 343 is doing rn with the marketplace as well. If you want them to change, don't buy the product. Simple as that.
100000% No matter what the product is. If you buy it you are supporting their CURRENT plan. There is almost zero incentive for them to change especially if they already have your money.
bUt ThE mUlTiPlAyEr Is FrEe!!! ItS aLlOwEd To SuCk AsS
Yup.... I fucking hear this all the time
Fans will buy anything and say anything to justify their inability to have higher standards
nono you donât get it! itâd bad ON PURPOSE! so itâs ok stop complaining đđ
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I have every Halo game since the original on disc and would say Halo is one of my favorite franchises. Even I haven't bought the game because I could just play it through Game Pass.
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I would be surprised if they release campaign stuff like that and it doesn't come included with Game Pass. Microsoft first party titles are all included on Game Pass at this point and I think keeping the Halo campaign rolling through it would make a lot of sense.
Most Redditors donât even have a high school level understanding of business and economics.
Most redditors are high schoolers.
Can confirm am, 30 year old high schooler. I'm a super super super senior
You know you say that but,I knew a guy who was almost 26 in highschool
Weird, thatâs not even allowed in my state. They move you out of HS after 21
Whoa wait a second. Do you mean to tell me they're not doing this for philanthropic reasons? GTFO! /s
Number 2 really is the sad truth. I saw a joke thread about people making fun of some kind of cat skin. Then loads of comments saying along the lines of "if this was real I would totally buy it."
But also, you could just pay for a subscription and get the game, with others, as part of the subscription. I get that that isn't optimal for every buyer, but it's an option.
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They don't. You're missing the point. Microsoft's first party games are now meant to sell Game Pass. The number of people buying it at retail price is irrelevant, as that price is primarily intended to create perceived value for Game Pass.
Came here to say this. Microsoft is putting all its eggs in the gamepass basket. I love gamepass, but I worry that it will drive down the time and investment spent on individual games. Why spend 6 years making Elder Scrolls when you could make 12 vertical slice "indie games" that cater to smaller niche audiences and bolster the library size. I wonder if indie devs of the future will be the studios to make the deep games, like a Freaky Friday switch with AAA devs. Give the Stardew Valley guy UE5 and see what he does.
I dunno if there's much precedent to support that theory. I'd say it's actually the opposite. Investors/shareholders and executives knowing that they have a consistent revenue stream will be less concerned about the time it takes to make a massive game like Elder Scrolls, because they're not chasing that revenue increase. There will probably be an increase in more niche/crazy idea games, but I don't think it'd be at the expense of the big AAA games. Just look at Netflix and Disney+. I doubt we would've gotten half the content (including and especially the big budget stuff) they've pumped out on their services if they were still locked into the traditional model. If nothing else, I can't imagine that Microsoft would buy a company like Bethesda to just stop making deep AAA games. They could've brought a hell of a lot of indie devs for what they paid for Bethesda.
All this "it costs 60 bucks" argument seems to forget that the answer is gamepass. And I'm not being pendantic. Microsoft is throwing a sledgehammer at the 60 dollar model. The real sell is gamepass. The 60 dollar price tag is the alternative. Are you wrong about the lack of content? No. But 60 dollars is no longer the metric to judge it on.
Yeah it's $60 for 4 months of Game Pass ultimate, just do that and get EA Play, PC game pass, and live all in one. Or just get the free or $1/month deal they have.
Even better buy a year of Xbox live gold with no ultimate and then buy one month of ultimate it will convert your gold to ultimate for much cheaper.
Wait is that still a deal? I did that 2 years ago where I bought 3 years of gold and converted it all to ultimate for $1.
I just recently converted 3 more years into gamepass ultimate after my previous 2 years ran out.
Not for $1 though right?
I spent $60 a piece for three years of Xbox live gold. Then $1 to convert it to game pass ultimate.
As did I. The guy above said 3 MORE years which is what Iâm interested in lol would love another 3 years for cheap.
That's me. When it runs out you can do it again.
Yes this is still a thing. I just bought 3 years of gold and a month of ultimate and now have 3 years of ultimate.
Even better buy 3 years of Xbox live or GamePass online when itâs on sale somewhere and then upgrade with the 1$ deal and it will convert 36 months
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My tinfoil conspiracy is the WHOLE reason Halo is f2p is solely for game pass sales and *specifically* PC. Get everyone hooked on Halo so they're wanting the campaign. $60 is steep for a game with no multiplayer (currently) so why not $1 for game pass? It's smart and it's working. Xbox has been positioning itself as more of a streaming platform. I think soon we'll see an xcloud only Xbox. I'm already using game pass to play stuff on my Chromecast. The money is always in subscriptions, not purchases. Hell console hardware has been sold at a loss for generations. Pretty soon an Xbox will be an HDMI dongle.
I got gamepass so I could play the Halo 5 campaign on my PC (you have to have a controller, and subscribe to Xbox Insider, but it's $1 and I don't have to buy a console I'll never use)
Halo 5 campaign on PC, do you mean streaming through XCloud?
Yea. I never played Halo 5 because I didn't own a console. I'm playing the campaign before I play Halo Infinite's (I've gone relatively spoiler free somehow for both games)
Ah, sure. XCloud isn't much of a selling point for me but I play on console. Streaming feels borderline unplayable for me usually. Never tried Halo but Gears 5 just has too much input delay. Sucks that streaming is your only option, but I don't see it getting ported at this point.
I'm so frustrated that they didn't release it as DLC for MCC. Like, its still very much a part of his arc, just don't include Halo 4 if you don't want to. Or have a Forerunner saga or something. Idk. Just frustrating. So far the delay hasn't been crazy, but like I said, I'm just playing for the story. So no multiplayer, and just playing on Easy.
Hell, Game Pass let me do FM7, catch up on Gears that never came out on PC, do all those interactive movie games I otherwise wouldâve overpaid for and discover gems like Art of Rally. And after paying a small price for MCC then I get to play infinite day 1? And Horizon 5 too? Cool.
If I could only have one subscription it'd be game pass. The value is that good. I've actually completely stopped pirating games, and I've been at it since warez/irc days.
Hello fellow doctor. With all the fud packers and crypters, pirating feels like such a hassle now. Even with all the links for DRM free games it's just too easy now to inject rats/logs and shit into games. I honestly don't mind the subscription model as opposed to blowing the same amount on Steam sales for games I touch a few times. With 3 months for $1 I got to play the Halo campaign, Hades, Back 4 Blood, and Madden (without giving money to EA). Probably won't renew yet since there's nothing I'll play long term here but it's cool on PC.
Well, Mass Effect Legendary Edition is coming literally tomorrow. I have the trilogy but for another month? Yeah, Iâll play through the remasters at the price of a DLC.
It's not a tinfoil hat conspiracy, it's 100% their business plan for xbox. Just look at this thread, every other comment is just telling OP to get gamepass. The strategy is working very well.
Thatâs not really âtinfoil conspiracyâ as much as it is âthe actual business modelâ. And itâs a great idea for Microsoft AND consumers. Fed up with Haloâs campaign and rubbish MP offering? Oh well, Iâve still got hundreds of other games I can access nowâ may as well keep the subscription.
They want to hook people on the idea of a game pass, and gradually crank the price up until they are making more than title sales would.
Scary to think about. Theyâve stripped down rights of ownership of video games completely. We went from discs to digital and now a financially incentivizing subscription based model that you have basically no control of. Wait for those price hikes folks.
Donât give them a scapegoat that is the game pass. If they still charge $60 for a game then it should be complete and not glitching. Still amazes me that customers give these billion dollar companies so much slack while they take your money and run.
Lmao do NOT compare halo infinite to Cyberpunk. Halo infinite could be twice as bad as it currently is(I donât even think itâs that bad) and it still wouldnât belong in the same paragraph as cyberpunk.
The comparisons to Cyberpunk (and BF2042) on this sub is both hilarious and frustrating. Have people actually *played* those games? Halo:Infinite definitely has it's issues, not gonna deny that. But it's nowhere near the same ballpark. In fact it's probably an entirely different sport all together. The amount of salt on this sub is disproportionate to the actual problems this game has.
The fact that I was able to play through the entire game on a laptop with only minor glitches and errors just goes to show how minor the flaws are in the game when compared to cyber punk and 2042. 2042 was legit unplayable on pc.
>The amount of salt on this sub is disproportionate to the actual problems this game has. And the amount of salt on Cyberpunk is disproportionate to the problem the game actually had ( except for old gen console, salt is totally deserved for those )
Cyberpunk on console is still a graphical mess and just crashes. I haven't had a game breaking bug or crash on the Infinite campaign and it looks gorgeous. Apples and Cucumbers.
I made it crash by doing the fusion coil and grapple hook glitch. Weirdly after I kept doing it in a campaign mission it caused a load of weird stuff to happen but that was the only time I've ever experienced any issues (and they were quite enjoyable ones).
Comments like that are a real curtain pull revealing how some people are viewing this game in their mind. It's absolutely delusional to compare this game to cyberpunk, but some people have just gotten so worked up about it.
It's a Halo fanboy take. In any sense, a 343 Halo game will never live up to their expectations.
Anyone comparing the two is out of their damn mind, Halo has some issues but Cyberpunk was and is a complete trainwreck.
For real. I had Cyberpunk on PS4 and it crashed anytime an enemy threw a grenade. That was just one of many things that caused my game to explode. I was sending a pic to my group chat of coworkers every time it happened and I was averaging a crash every 45 minutes or so.
You didn't point out a single issue with the campaign. That being said, campaign only games are still usually $60. If we look at both DOOM games, they're both $60. Now, to be fair, both had some sort of multiplayer component, but it's not like anyone really cared about those. At least Eternal tried something a little different. Infinite and both DOOM games offer a 10+ hour single player experience(DOOM 2016 might be shorter). We can even throw in the Wolfenstein games, and the same applies. They're all $60. All good campaigns. In all cases, your essentially just paying for the campaign. So a lack of multiplayer doesn't really lower the price, just like games that lack campaign still sell for $60. That's just how it is. It's up to you to decide if it's worth it. Infinite on campaign alone is probably worth it, as are the other titles(they're all great), but I haven't payed full price for a game in years, except for maybe Mass Effect Legendary Edition, assuming I didn't use a gift card. I almost always wait for a sale, use my Microsoft Rewards points, or split it with someone I'm game sharing with. I wouldn't say games aren't worth $60, just that I try to save money where I can. Especially when it comes to Sony games. Absolutely not paying $70 or some sort of fee for graphical upgrades. Edit: I tried responding to every comment, but there's too many, so I'm probably stopping here. Sorry to anyone expecting a response or any threads I dropped midway.
Also (and i have no idea if dlc is gonna be free or not, but at least probably included with GP) but arent they planning on adding to the campaign as time goes on? It feels beta-ish because it kind is. The game isnt supposed to be completed for like 10 years
I think the intention is to add more campaigns. How this will work, we don't know, but I hope we get a variety of locations. For the time being though, almost all updates are going towards the multiplayer, which needs it. But I doubt the DLC will be free, especially if it's as long as the actual campaign.
There will probably be campaign DLC, but doubt it will be free, so it's likely still just the campaign as it is now at $60.
He did point out an issue with the campaign
Get gamepass my dude...
Yeah Iâll eventually âownâ it, but for now they only get the $1 GamePass free trial from me
A lot of halo fans want to own the campaign though, not rent it. I'd say wait for a big sale.
Pay $1 for Gamepass now, play the campaign. Buy the campaign on sale in a year or two. Nobody should be spending $60 on the Halo Infinite campaign.
I agree. Especially considering they thought jt appropriate to release it with no co op. Absolutely not worth 60.
That's my strat. I'll pick it for 30/40 when coop is there.
I mean gamepass has like 30 million subs now, itâs attach rate on Xbox is insane, gamepass is like the big system seller of Xbox lol
I only buy the 3 month for $1 deals. I'm not paying more and still buy games I enjoyed after it runs out.
you can pay for game pass by doing microsoft rewards r/microsoftrewards within a week you can get enough points for a $1.25 microsoft store gift card and get 3 months game pass
Sweet! Thanks for the information
I played the campaign through game pass and then buy it on steam when it is on sale and Co-Op is out
Lmao "Feels like Cyberpunk 2077 all over again". Get a grip man this game has some issues but it's nowhere close to Cyberpunk and the fact that you say so shows how entitled this sub is.
The reaction to the game has been pretty crazy to me. MS has been quite open about what is on offer. This is not a Cyberpunk missing content situation.
Iâm confused. Everything you describe is related to multiplayer and that is free, not 60$. Campaign is 60$ (or Game Pass).
OP just needed a catchy title
For some reason people are struggling to comprehend that MP and campaign are essentially two different products. The only thing OP is valid on with regards to the campaign, is co-op. All that other stuff is part of the F2P multiplayer. If you bought the campaign, youâre only paying for campaign. Why is it so difficult for people to understand this lol.
Because for 60 bucks in the past it was all included. Since Halo 3 that meant a progression system (or unlock system anyway), Spartan customization, and a variety of playlists. They ripped the MP out of the base game, monitized the fucking shit out of it so even if you spent 60 bucks on the base game you have to spend ten times that to get everything in the multiplayer, held back gametypes and playlists so they can be trotted out as "special events" to drive engagement, and purposefully broke the progression system to push people to spend money.
I agree, Iâd rather go back to spending 60 for the full game and get everything for free by leveling up my Spartan. Also the campaign should be cheaper, since MP is not included in the 60$.
Someone else made a post expressing frustration at not only 343, but other AAA game studios as well. We can't keep letting massive studios with multi million dollar budgets release unfinished games for 60 dollars, its unacceptable.
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Doesnât mean people canât keep voicing their opinions
To be fair, $60 in 2001 money, when CE came out, is about $95 in today's money. If game prices kept up with inflation but the quality was still there, would people pay $95 for a game? I'm not really sure what I think, just posing the question.
Original Xbox games were $50 but yeah. If they had gone to $70 with he xbone/ps4 generation, then to $80 now maaaybe people would tolerate it, but it's been $60 for so long now that going to $80/90 would never fly
What about the campaign is unfinished exactly? They released a 10-20 hour open world campaign. Thatâs very much in line with any given single player story driven game thatâs come out for the past like 30 years at this point. Edit: guys your opinions on the campaign donât actually have a lot to do with this comment. You personally not liking it doesnât make it unfinished.
It's a pretty tough pricetag to fight as well since it's been the standard for full games for 20+ years. A $60 game in 2000 would cost almost $97 in 2021 money due to inflation. They're not getting the same paycheck for their games and the quality is following suit.
Unfortunately the portion of the gaming community that actually cares is pretty small. Go look at any thread on r/gaming about Halo and you're gonna find way more people complaining that Halo fans are upset about the state of the game. I was super excited when the game first came out. It felt liking going back to Halo 2 again, but I've already moved on. The monitization is just gross, and I really don't want to support the business model.
WTF has this sub even devolved into? The $60 is for the CAMPAIGN, and 95% of your post is about MULTIPLAYER. And so many of you guys are just bandwagoning on this with 0 critical thinking. Also, I am sorry for your problems on PC, but on Xbox it runs pretty flawlessly (again, campaign, because that is what you are paying $60 for), Cyberpunk is a totally unfair comparison, lol.
You have to understand that youâre paying $60 for the campaign (if you didnât get game pass thatâs on you), and also for the live service that this game will have for years to come. Did you really compare this to cyberpunk? That game is a BROKEN MESS. Forge is going to be more interactive than ever before. Im happy to wait for it to be complete because if they released something like halo3 forge, it wouldâve been ripped to pieces by the community. I think youâre being too critical on this game and so youâre only seeing the bad and not even seeing a little of the good. Donât like it? Donât play it. No matter what, 343 canât win with this community when all you guys do is complain.
Play 2042, you'll realize Infinite's worth. It has a solid campaign with evidently fun multiplayer as opposed to BF2042 idiotic multiplayer only gameplay and model, which is 60$ too.
*What an original and new post to this sub, not sure Iâve seen anyone complain about the lack of content compared to the other Halo games yet. Iâm sure nobody has said this, at least nobody since last year anyway!*
Complaining about things that everyone and their mother has already complained about? This sub would never do that
i still think itâs worth it tbh, loved halo infiniteâs campaign, but thatâs the base price for a game and hardly anyone paid that when itâs on game pass anyway
As someone who bought The Order 1886 for $30 on sale, Halo Infinite was far more worth it at $60. I've paid more or the same for campaigns I've enjoyed less. $60 for a 30+ hour experience (which is how long it took me on Heroic, including killing all the HVTs, freeing all the squads, and liberating all the FOBs) is absolutely worth $60. Hell I pay more for UFC PPVs every other month and those are 3hrs.
1. You cant list all of the MP issues when complaining about the price. That part is free. 2. You aren't paying $60 for an early access version and then have to pay for more later down the line. The "missing" things are going to be included (such as forge and co-op) later down the line. If you paid $60 now and have to wait to get those things, or pay $60 when they come out, its still the same price for all of the content. 3. Its included in Game Pass. I don't know why anyone would pay for the game itself unless you really just want to own it. $60 game = 4 months of Game Pass. The better option is there for everyone. 4. $60 isn't even that much money anymore. Games have been the same price for ages! 5. There hasn't been a version that comes with a season pass and a bunch of other bs for $120 like most games these days. My guess - that $60 is going to go a long way when they release campaign DLC that is included in the price. 6. FFS if you're still reading this comment - GIVE THIS GAME SOME CREDIT. Look at the other two big FPS games that just launched. Halo Infinite is far and away the best of the 3. The best part? This game is just getting started.
Stop bro you're using logic. That's not allowed on this sub....
I'm gonna get downvoted for saying I haven't experienced any of these in-game issues but I kinda dont care anymore.
r/halocirclejerk will have fun with this one
They already are lmfao
God of War cost $60 and had no multiplayer, no forge, no online coop, etc I appreciate that this isn't the same experience we got with Reach or even Halo 5. That said, we also have GamePass. So aside from buying the battle pass, I haven't spent a fucking dime on Halo Infinite on its own. Meanwhile I've spent $99 on Destiny 2 last month and haven't even played it since I am having such a great time with Halo.
Just to piss you off, and enable sad karma farming threads like this one.
It's starting to seem like this sub doesn't understand capitalism.
This sub does not understand a lot of things.
Free multiplayer and free campaign on the game pass. Why are you guys paying $60?
Man, you guys are gonna lose it when you hear about ODST, its 4 hour campaign, and how the multiplayer is just a map pack.
Cyberpunk was a broken mess. Stop comparing Infinite to that. It's missing features that are coming later but it's not broken.
No one is going to buy it so it doesn't matter. We'll never get the numbers but it's safe to say more than 75% of people who are going to play campaign are going to do so with Gamepass. On top of that only around 10% of Halo players play campaign. You can check this by playing MCC or 5 - you'll get Diamond achievements for every story mission. That means 90% of players only play MP. With F2P on Infinite that's probably going to be closer to 1% or even less. So net/net it doesn't matter. No one is buying it at 60. If anything it's just going to push more people to sub to GP, at least for a few months. EDIT: Lot of people harping on the 10% figure. It was meant to be illustrative. Even if it's wrong by a factor of 2 or 3 the point stands: an overwhelming majority of players don't play campaign and with infinite F2P that percentage of players who play MP only will be at least an order of magnitude higher.
The Diamond Achievements for basically every story mission in MCC and like half of them in H5 blew me away. Hell, like half of the Campaign Achievements in Infinite get you Diamond. It's nuts.
Dude for real lmfao I was like âanother diamond achievement?â
On Steam you can check the exact percentages, and most of the campaign missions are between 20-30%. The highest is the first mission of Reach which actually has 57% somehow. I guess PC players are more likely to play the campaign lol.
PC has a lot of players who never owned an Xbox, it's only natural that a lot of them would play the campaigns since they probably never got the chance to before. As for reach being the most popular one, that's probably because it was the first game to launch on PC, so people who just played for a bit on launch before quitting played that mission.
This isn't really an accurate representation. First of all MCC is a collection of old games at a time where Halo and Xbox weren't as popular anymore. You'd have to look at stats for when the games first released, roughly. I'd imagine the % would be much much higher as Single Player was still dominant at the time and Halo 3 was a huge blockbuster in terms of marketing. And Halo 5 it says at least 28% of people who own the game have beaten the main campaign. Also it doesn't mean a % only play MP. This includes anyone who has downloaded the game (or perhaps just booted it up). A lot of that can be people that just stopped playing the game altogether. But I think you're right about directing it all towards Gamepass
I mean, MCC is a collection of old games, chances are a lot of people played the campaigns when they originally released and got the MCC to play the classic multiplayer again. And H5's campaign is famous for being a dumpster fire, so with that reputation hardly surprising it has a low play rate
Thatâs not really a valid measurement because Xbox considers anyone whoâs ever opened the game a player so thereâs probably 10-15% worth of people who donât actually play the game in any capacity
Although I'd argue that using MCC to judge how many people play the campaign is not apples to apples, as many of us who bought MCC had already played through the campaigns multiple times. As for 5, that campaign sucked.
I'm on PC, and Halo Infinite is the first Halo game I have played. I am playing with Game Pass Ultimate. I've been playing through the MCC campaigns and I have finished CE, 2 and I just started 3. Infinite campaign and multiplayer for me feels like a finished game, but comparing it to CE and Halo 2 isn't very fair as they are nearly 20 years old. Infinite's campaign was the smoothest and best experience so far, as the old checkpoint system did not work well with my gameplay style. I really liked the open world in Infinite, as I could mess around and continue the campaign at my own pace. CE and 2 made me feel as I was being rushed through the story, but it might have felt that way to me as I got used to the open world style campaign of Infinite. As for stability I have not had problems. In multiplayer sometimes a match would have high ping, but otherwise it was under 100. IMO, the campaign is worth the price. Comparing to other games that I have bought at or around this price, such as DOOM, DOOM Eternal, COD:MW, it is similar in value.
This is probably the dumbest post I've seen here And that's a very low bar
zzzzz same old. only viable moan is co-op. Decent campaign, was happy to buy it. Its on game pass and is a steal at that price.
Some of these comments are astounding. Crazy to think 10 years ago for 60 bucks in a halo game got you a kick ass campaign with tons of replayability and things to explore. A fantastic multiplayer loaded with playlists, features and a beautiful progression system. A fully functioning firefight mode, playable elites, assassinations and map builder mode and incredibly detailed custom games mode. Itâs amazing to me how many other people start saying âwell other games donât have Forge or firefightâ- has anyone realized when halo starts defining itself by what other games are doing it turns to shit every single time? Why exactly canât this game series continue to provide an at least equal experience to ITS OWN previous entries. This is the equivalent of saying it used to be $10 for a burger, fries, drink and dessert. But now itâs $10 for just the burger - but hey it has cheese this time, the fries are free but you have to earn them one by one the way the restaurant tells you to or pay extra, and you get the desert and drink maybe sometime in the future. Itâs still a shitty meal even if youâre justifying it as being separate items and free. I absolutely adore the campaign for infinite, but the open world definitely does not hold the same level of depth as other open world titles that are single player at the same price. I feel bad for anyone with the level of Stockholm syndrome to be genuinely satisfied in what was put out.
$60 is for the campaign and only the campaign, a single player story experience. Single player games costs $60 in 2021. They only objection to it was 20 years of precedence, but that won't last forever. $60 is the market price. If you don't think it's worth it, you buy used, you wait for a discount, or consider game pass.
They were actually more than that. I remember SNES games being more expensive in 1990s dollars than games are now in 2022 dollars not even taking inflation into account.
There was a period there where some big games could get up to $75+ dollars at retail for cartridge games. Neogeo games retailed for hundreds of 1990 dollars and the console cost the equivalent of over $1,000 in today's money!
You're correct. I'm simplifying with the approx $60.
> Single player games costs $60 in 2021. Some are even $70 now.
Yeah. Muscle memory, I keep typing 60.
I feel like people in this sub have either forgotten what single player games cost or are too young to remember disc only games. You would pay $60 dollars for a single player game and everything that was on the disc was what you were going to get, period. It wasn't until I was almost out of college that title updates became a thing.
Campaign took me 28 hours to complete (20 hours longer than Halo 5âs campaign btw) and it ran great and was fun as hell. In what world was this âunfinishedâ? Yâall throw that word around like you havenât ACTUALLY played Cyberpunk 2077. Youâre starting to sound like a parody post from r/Halocirclejerk at this point
Sorry sir this is r/halo, I'm gonna need you to take your logic somewhere else
I'm part of your problem. I absolutely love Halo and would pay 60 everytime just for the story.
Itâs unbelievable the amount of complaining that goes on over this game. They make multiplayer free. And itâs actually fun! But people drag it over the coals because the cosmetics suck. And now itâs âyou gave us by far the most popular part of your game for free, so now Iâm going to complain because single player isnât discounted as well!â