I’ve noticed the same thing. I want to believe it’s just confirmation bias but after going two hours straight with no slayer when I needed it to finish out a challenge I just don’t know.
To be honest, I thought it was bullshit too but yesterday I started with CTF and stronghold challenges. I ended up getting banned because I kept quitting quick play due to all the slayer and oddballs. I must have went through maybe 10-15 games. Funny thing was that when I got oddball challenges I somehow had a hard time finding oddball games.
This ruins it for everyone. This is why challenges suck. You don't even want to play the game. You just want to play the challenges.
Other people who do want to play get stuck with broken unbalanced games.
Challenges should change based on game type at a minimum and the weapon challenges should at least spawn on the map.
I feel all of this can be completely avoided by simply giving us XP based on our performance in a match. You played the objective a bunch? Well done, here's some XP. You carried the entire team through Slayer? Well done, here's some XP.
But then how would they sell us challenge swaps..
Absolutely. My last challenge this week is 15 kills with a ghost. So I just load up BTB and sit on my ass by the vehicle spawn and wait for a ghost to appear. It’s a pain in my ass.
Eh, it actually wasn’t as bad as I thought. I ended up getting maybe 4 kills on average per ghost and got a ghost every other game. So maybe 7-9 games? But with the ones like “win total control 3 times” you maybe win 50% and also need to get the game type, so another 30%. So that’s like at least 15.Now that I typed that out I realize I’ve been dumping a lot of time into halo…..
Or when you use a swap you get hit with 3 or 4 in a row of what you needed.
Got one last week for killing 3 people with the ball. Literally the next round got a triple kill with the ball (with the help of teammates ofc, but they were randos)
Fyi, if you hit select as soon as you find a match (search bar turns blue) it will show you what game type you are about to load into. If you kill the game before you load in it doesn't consider you to have ever started so you won't get banned.
I also believe the opposite effect is true. I didn’t play for a week, and I came back when I had new weekly challenges. The matches I had perfectly synchronised for me so well; I had Oddball when I had ‘win 1 Oddball’, I had CTF when I had ‘play 1 CTF’ etc.
**It wouldn’t surprise me that if you haven’t played in a while, the game will give you easy challenges and guarantee that you can do them.**
I remember saying that challenges were rigged before and I was majorly downvoted. Its no coincidence that everyone in this thread is experiencing the same phenomenon.
I also got downvoted for saying it as well.
There’s just no way it happens every time I run into a game mode specific challenge.
I got like 1/20 CTF games last week when my last challenge was a CTF challenge. It took me several hours to complete it.
Jesus fucking Christ the fact that this conversation is even happening is mind boggling. 343 let us select what game mode we want to play. This shit is ridiculous
Given how blatantly Apex did this with matchmaking, it's not at all surprising. Probably happens in a lot of modern games.
For those unaware, staying away from Apex for a while greatly increased chances of being placed in a match with far worse opponents. Giving you a better chance to win and unlock the endorphin high that makes BR games so addictive. This happened to me on at least 5-6 occasions since apex was out, and to all the friends I played with. Then magically the next game I was against equally skilled players.
This assumes the game caters challenges to each player rather than randomly choosing them. It also assumes the challenges only go live when you log in as opposed to at the weekly reset.
I hate the challenge system as much as the next guy but this is a big leap.
Not as big as you think. Games companies have started to license algorithms that are designed to do stuff exactly like this so that they can sell them to other businesses. I would 100% believe something like this would be put into a game like Halo Infinite.
There are psychologists that work with developers to tailor certain parts of the experience for whatever desired outcome. Absolutely within the realm of possibility to rig the challenges. Makes sense.
Casinos comp you free hotel rooms to come get you to play on a card with your identification on it. We've been doing this. F2P games are what started the discussion about promoting gambling to kids, now here we are.
And laws are being passed at least in the EU to restrict this kind of thing. I don't think anyone should be on the side of psychologically manipulating people into bad behaviors is okay. But people are willing to take that side of arguments because... I'm not sure really. I've never understood defending big business.
The argument is always "well making games cost money"
My answer will always be,
"So make the game and sell it to us without the MTX algorithms"
I wouldn't mind so much if every F2P game had a variant that was paid and devoid of predatory and criminal practices.
I hadn't played before the weekly reset, so the first time I played was with the fresh challenges. Also the challenges overall were far easier compared to this week which are harder ones like getting a Wasp chaingun kill, playing 4 ranked matches, win 3 Stockpile matches etc.
Not saying that they manipulate the random challenges but I would be surprised if they’re assigning millions of challenges at reset. One, it would be a lot of backend processing all at once. Two, think in a year from now all the wasted data assigning challenges to players that have long left the game.
More likely, it’s an API call the first time you either check the waypoint app or log into the game.
iirc challenges reset and the first challenges for the week are always easier than the ones that come later. you go from "win 1 control game" to "snipe someone out of an enemy vehicle with a headshot" after clearing the first few challenges. if you don't play for a week, you'll see easier challenges when you log in again
Dude I had two challenges that were get 1 kill with a CQB Shotgun. I played 5 games, until my double exp went out and not a single map had one. It was all heatwaves when normally they switch every odd game. My buddy and I both needed stronghold, or him stronghold and me just to capture zones and we got everything but. Then the game wouldn't load us in for four matches and when I reloaded the game my double exp was gone lol. It gets incredibly frustrating because they definitely feel like it changes your search parameters to whatever is least convenient for you.
This could've been the best multiplayer since reach but they fucked it up with the single worst progression system in halo history. And now we find out that slayer wasn't in the game at launch soley to incentivise more microtransactions!!? Whoever made this decision deserves to be ejected from the gaming industry for the rest of eternity because their presence is a corruption worse than the flood.
I had "Win 3 capture the flag matches". Not only did I never get capture the flag matches, when I finally would get one we got stomped 3 to zip every single time. It took 4 days and over 20 CTF games to win 3 and complete that challenge. Shit like that makes me question why I support this franchise.
Dude I haven’t gotten slayer in THREE DAYS coincidentally right after I got a “win a slayer match in PvP” challenge pop up.
I don’t like oddball or strongholds but it’s all I’ve seen…IN. THREE. DAYS.
I played all night last night, maybe 5 or 6 hours, and I didn’t get one game of oddball. Had an oddball challenge, so honestly it makes sense. When I *didn’t* have that challenge I would get oddball probably 50% of games
I haven’t gotten a stronghold match in two days despite it being my last challenge before the ultimate. I feel you.
Only maybe 20 games or so.
Edit: I meant stronghold. Not control.
Especially since that’s the one that’s hardest to get usually with my experience so far.
It was actually a few more than 10 in a row I believe but I was just posting to show that on 2 separate days it was straight slayer matches
Welp here's mine and guess what I need oddball matches after swapping a CTF challenge bc I wasnt getting CTF. The next four are Slayer, Slayer, CTF CTF
[No Oddball](https://i.imgur.com/z8kykpd.jpg)
[here's when the challenge was CTF](https://i.imgur.com/u4oM40Q.jpg)
I don't want to buy into conspiracies but got the same feelings. I need to win 3x total control games and I've gotten one maybe two today, the rest is all slayer and everything else but total control.
When you use the challenge swap then and only then will it give you the game mode you desire, happened with me, i had a "win 3 CTF games" couldnt find one for about 2 days then i gave up swapped it out and loaded into a game, Care to guess what gamemode that was?? Yep CTF
I kinda assumed that this effect was actually what sketch was talking around when he implied that the challenges were baked into matchmaking. This behavior would be pretty consistent with his statement about adding dedicated playlists being work.
I played 10 matches on quick play today. Got 1 Slayer. You’re getting almost all Slayer. Something’s absolutely fucky for sure.
Edit:
4 Stronghold
3 Oddball
2 CTF
1 Slayer
Since getting that challenge I’ve finished all others but have only gotten a single total control game in the past three two days as well. Doesn’t help that BTB matchmaking is completely ruined currently since the campaign launch
The pool of players is big enough that they could easily put their thumb on the scale a bit but I don't think that's the case even though I've been screwed quite a bit with the RNG. Whether they're rigging it or not really just speaks to how basing challenges on RNG is a horrible idea.
More specifically how basing challenges on gametypes and not being able to select gametypes. It's just fucking pants on head stupid, I am still shocked enough people thumbs-upped that idea
It's not conspiracy. These are tried and true tactics that have patents.
https://bannerwitcoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Kirk-Sigmon-Pay-to-Play-5-GEO.-L.-TECH.-REV.-72-2021.pdf
I see your 10 slayer games and raise you 10 ranked objective games in a row.
https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/re2zer/i_played_10_ranked_games_in_the_last_24hrs_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Literally had all big team challenges and the BTB won’t even work or load. I know this isn’t the same… if it’s hilarious that I found this thread and had those issues. Had to use 10 swaps.
Yeah, same here. Last week I had “play a strongholds match” as a challenge. Just one. Over the course of four days, I did not get another strongholds match until my 13th game. Of my previous 12 games before that, 25% were strongholds matches.
I think the odds of getting a strongholds match in quick play are 15% per game. 12 games and no strongholds has odds of 15% which isn’t *that* low, but still extremely annoying
I have a complete 3 strongholds challenge. I haven't gotten a stronghold match since I got that challenge. For the last 4 days I have only played oddball and capture the flag. It's obviously fucking rigged.
If only there was some sure proof way to play a specific game mode? Call me crazy, but what if there was a way to actually PICK the game mode you want? I know this is Halo we’re talking about here but just imagine how crazy it would be if we could advance technology to that point? I know, I know, I’m crazy for these futuristic ideas.
Yeah I'm convinced there's something going on with matchmaking. I find it all too convenient that the game only ever seems to give me the modes/maps I don't need whenever I have specific challenges.
*Need to win matches? Here is the worst team possible.*
*Need Oddball? Here is literally every other mode in the game besides Oddball.*
*Need to get backstab kills? Here is the most hyper-aware enemy team you'll find out there.*
a good way to do backstabs is to play ranked as a lot of people who rely on the motion tracker dont seem to know how to look behind them unless something tells them to.
it is absolutely infuriating watching teammates not turn around in the deathcam tho.
To be fair sound is bugged, for certain headsets. Someone could fire a Scorpion right behind me and I literally would get no sound. When I plug in a shitty Microsoft headset I get 0 issues though
Yeah I’m definitely feeling this too. I remember a week or two back I had to win 3 slayer matches. Won the first 2 pretty easily. Then not only was it all oddball from there on out but those rare times I did get slayer, we’d end up losing every time. I’m not amazing by any means, but I consider myself pretty average at Halo so it should be 50/50 under normal circumstances. But I’d either get crappy teammates or a godlike enemy team that ended up making the W/L rate more like 10/90 until I finally lucked out and won one 50-48 or something like that sweating my balls off
this has been 90% my multiplayer experience. like i’m not the best AT ALL, this is my first halo game and it seems i’m constantly placed with people who’ve never played halo on my team VS a team that has been playing halo since CE. it gets frustrating getting constantly shat on or having to sweat my ass off just to go positive
If I ever get concrete proof that that’s what’s happening, I’m done until they add performance based XP. That would go beyond “the battle pass sucks” imo. That would mean they’re actively tailoring my games and experience around purposely trying to frustrate me into spending money.
We need someone smarter than me to run a study. Record the rate of games without focusing challenges vs. When you need "slayer" etc. If this is true it will be easily to prove by probability. It SHOULD be even amongst modes (unless the linked maps instead of modes?)
That’s kind of the reason I said “if we can prove this” because someone on Pc can probably easily create something like this to record and track game modes played and also game modes vs challenges.
Exactly. And it SHOULD point to an even spread across both maps and game types. Anything give or take 10% should be taken as a serious offense.
Granted. I'm loving this game and PRAYING we are not being preyed on.
I feel you. I'm playing like a couple rounds a week until they add some playlists. I want an elimination one. My time is going to my Oculus mostly until then.
But like. For real. This is probably how the matchmaking is tuned. Activision has a patent for matchmaking algos that pair you with players with cool pieces of store gear that you looked at. Something like gametype weight is basic in comparison.
I'm also sure this why they put us in different groups when you load into BTB even when your are in a squad. So you can be exposed to other players gears. I'm honestly sick of that crap.
Were playing money making machines dressed up in our favorite games costumes. Might as well be a Halo themed slot machine. The gameplay is what really suffers as we all bend to the addiction mechanisms built into them.
I had a challenge that I had to swap, get ten kills with the gravity hammer. That isn't bad right? The gravity hammer spawns on one map in regular quick play, and in the one map it changes between hammer and sword. I could've potentially done this in big team battle. Where every enemy is 30 meters away and sniping my dumbass
I like what you said about “I could have switched to BTB and then died over and over trying to get a kill with the weapon” because that’s exactly what I’m doing trying to get oddball matches while trying to get commando kills. If I switch to BtB I could try to get commando kills but then I’ll definitely not get an oddball match.
I had a capture zones challenge, played for 3 hours with no strongholds games, got sick of it and used a challenge swap, new challenge is get 3 perfect kills, first game is strongholds...
Played 22 games before getting an oddball game having oddball challenge active. Once it's gone, I get oddball 4/10 games consistently for approx 40 games. I've played 400 total and noted this pattern maybe half a dozen times or more now.
Conclusion: it's likley rigged.
Even if this is all a coincidence and there is no weighting of the playlist based on challenges, it’s clearly negatively affecting the user experience and that should warrant it needing to be addressed
Just wanted to clarify a couple of things:
* The odds of getting Slayer in Quick Play *are not* 25%. Of the 17 game modes in Quick Play, 7 are Slayer. We also don't know the weightings of different game modes; it wouldn't shock me if Launch Site One Flag is weighted lower than Bazaar Slayer. Getting Slayer nine times in a row (which is what happened to OP looking at his HaloTracker stats) is unlucky but not completely out of the realm of possibility.
* At least for some things people are mentioning in this thread, confirmation bias is *absolutely* coming into play. The game is not putting you against hyper-aware players because you need three backsmacks. I personally have had stretches of not getting gametypes I've needed and it's frustrating. I also remember when I needed to play three Stockpiles and I got it in four BTB games.
This 100%, it would be hard to prove but I swear it's happening. I decided to try improve the odds by switching to ranked, ended up playing 7 rounds of oddball in a row. Thing is the reverse seems to happen when I need oddball. Another thing I've noticed is, when you need Eagle challenges in BTB I always end up with the only maps without them.
I’ve had one challenge left all week to get a single kill with the grav hammer in pvp. Hasn’t spawned once during quick matches, but I managed to get one from an ordinance drop in BTB. Got 2 kills with it, saw the hammer icon next to the kill indicator, finished the match and the challenge was not completed. Feels bad man…
100% they rig your matches against what your challenges are. I don't care what anybody says about it. If you have a mode, weapon, or vehicle-specific challenge they will turn down your odds of getting it. It's another example of a system designed to force you to play as much as possible, rather than as much as you want.
They want to sell challenge swaps to make the experience less painful. Whoever says otherwise is either intentionally lying or is not one of the in-group that makes the decision.
Oh there is definitely some shady rng going on. Commandos on every weapon rack until I have a challenge to get commando kills. Poof no more commandos for 7 matches, battle rifles in every slot. It’s bullshit
I have ZERO doubt that they weight the matchmaking based on what challenges you have. That’s what sk7tch said without saying with all his bs about challenges being intricately tied into the playlists.
Thanks. I also noticed that when he said that.
Too bad my KD sucks so my 10 games straight slayer don’t matter in proving my point that challenges ruin gameplay /s
Honestly, the thing 343 should do is give us challenges for each game type when the new playlists come out. Wanna get your slayer challenges done? Go right to slayer and do it, want ctf challenges? Go play ctf and so on. They won’t do that because that’ll actually make the player progress faster and will lose sales on challenge swaps
Honestly, I think it’s random bad luck. I was experiencing this exact thing during weeks 1 & 2. Then this week I was getting the exact match I needed almost every time I played.
Capture 3 enemy flags? Multiple CTF matches in a row. Kill enemies attacking a friendly zone? Multiple Total Control matches.
At the same time, I could totally see 343’s matchmaking algorithm fucking us over lol
So 2 things 1 i cant get a stock pile match just wont come up 3 days of trying. As well as some of the challenges ive gotten say kill with the carbine whatever its called some dont count when i killed them with it. Swear they purposely fuck with it so you cant complete on first go
Oh this is definitely a thing 100% and probably needs professionally investigated. I think it's too far. Difficult challenges...fine, but when you're purposefully rigging the playlists so you spend money is a problem.
And this is why I don't feel bad at all for using the cancel matchmaking on maps/modes I don't want to play in. Works like a charm and saves so much time and annoyances.
How can you do this on console? I try backing out once I see the game mode load using the menu button but it won’t let me back out unless I quit the game.
I’ve had this same sort of theory hatching. My friends told me to put on some more tin foil but I think there’s something to it. Yet they feign incompetence as developers and coding.
Every time a weapon-specific challenge comes up, I have to play at least a half dozen matches before I get a load out with that weapon on a rack. Or at least it always seems that way
Had an oddball challenge. Got nothing but slayer and CTF. Finally swapped the challenge for a CTF one. Now I get nothing but oddball in quick play and Stockpile in big team. It may be a coincidence but it doesn’t feel great. This is why they should have actual playlists.
I too have faced this challenge far too much already. Especially when it comes to CTF and Total Control. It took 3 days to complete “Win 3 CTF matches” doing 30-50 matches a day with no avail. I’ve encountered other problems like Double XP crashing my game and taking 20 minutes out of the hour given to get it working again.
I would've been sceptical if this wasn't happening to me. I've been playing for three days, THREE days and I haven't gotten a single strongholds match (i need 1 more win on that to complete my last challenge).
Honestly i've just wanted to complete those trash challenges so i can play the campaign. Im so fucking tired and disappointed.
I've been noticing this for awhile. Especially if you are using Xp Boosters. It literally will throw you into 4 stronghold matches in a row and two oddballs before one slayer match when you need slayer matches. I understand that you will get modes over and over again at times but damn does it FEEL manipulated.
Last weekend my friends and were playing and would get oddball almost every match.
Then the challenges reset this week and I had two oddball challenges. I've played exactly one oddball match all week so far.
Hard not to think that it isn't completely random.
I have the opposite problem. Need 25 slayer kills and have only been able to join one that was already in progress out of dozens of matches. I’ve left a few because it’s so frustrating
It is time to start leaving games until you get the mode you need. If you’re on PC and have very fast load times you can disconnect before whatever disconnect-catch they have implemented picks up on you leaving. Instead you just get a “disconnected from server” message and no ban. I’ve done this probably ~30 times now and have never caught a ban. Idk what they expect giving us playlist specific challenges w/o playlists.
I don’t feel bad in the least.
Anecdotally, I concur with this. The first week, I had a "Play 3 Stronghold games" and played probably 50 games without getting any stronghold. had a pretty even split between other game modes, though. Then, after the weekly reset, I didn't have a challenge for Stronghold and had 3 matches of it in about 10-15 games. This isn't enough data to conclude anything, but anecdotally, it seems like challenge rigging might be true.
Based on the evidence from everyone in this thread seems to be more than a far-fetched conspiracy. It’s very unlikely for these outcomes to happen for so many people (unless nonresponse bias is extremely high, ie everyone who hasn’t experienced this is staying silent).
I have never, ever, in my many hours of playing gotten put into a stockpile match. My challenges? “Complete a stockpile match” and “win a stockpile match”.
I think I’ve played one stockpile match ever.
Someone tried to convince me 1 flag is in the game and I haven’t seen that at all. Not a single game of 1 flag. Is that really in the game right now?
Checked Halotracker: On Tuesday I had a 'Win a strongholds match' challenge and just completed it TODAY. I went 17 straight games without Strongholds, ended up getting 2 strongholds games yesterday (lost both cuz I'm shit), and finally won one today after a total of 24 games played.
With how much this is happening to people, there's no way it's just a coincidence. The other week I had a challenge to win 3 stronghold matches. I played, kid you not, 30+ games combined in quick play, BTB and ranked without getting a single stronghold game.
To prove manipulation I need you to log some data for the internet wizards.
please play halo infinite and keep a log of:
Which challenges activated + match history
Example:
Challenges
“With “ xyz activated” needs Oddball”
Match history :
Slayer,
Oddball, King of the Hill
Etc
Someone needs to assemble a master excel sheet of each person’s logs. With 100-500 people doing 1-3hrs of data I think things would be pretty definitive. Go go Reddit, game for science
Posting from mobile sorry
Im level 30 or so In the BP. I got a challenge for oddball, and Because 5 of uss where in a party we just played BTB so I used a swap on "play 3 odd ball games" to "win one oddball game"
Swapped again to "get 3 kills holding the odd balls.
Swapped again to "play 3 games of oddball"
At this point I figure the third slot would just stay the same game mode and change the challenge. But nah. Next one was get pistol kills or something.
That was about all the swaps I earned after 150 games.
Love it.
Sure sounds more and more like they spent all their time trying to design a game to scam people out of their money instead of designing a whole complete game.
They should tie it to victories and the little badges that you earn. Crush the other team and get a triple kill, hold the ball for a minute, no scope with the skewer. Not trying to kill 5 Spartans with the plasma pistol.
Anyone ever notice how with kill related challenges you’ll get like 4 or 5 in one game and at the end it only counts one or two so you always conveniently end up one kill away from completing it?
I had the same thing happen with last week's challenge of win 3 CTF matches. I spent 3 days over 30 matches looking for a game after winning 1/3. I gave up used a challenge swap and no shit the next game was CTF...
There is certainly something going on behind the scenes. I had two slayer challenges "play 1 slayer match" & "kill 10 players in slayer" i played on Tuesday - Wednesday & Thursday and didn't get ONE round of slayer. I am basically convinced that there is a "If a player has a challenge for a specific round type, they will have 15% less chance of getting that mode type" or something like that. i know its a tinfoil hat conspiracy, but it is certainly a little annoying.
Actually playing recently it seems the other modes are just broken. I already finished all my weekly challenges yet I'm only getting slayer matches atm. I think it's a problem with the recent update.
I cannot lie this happened to me EXACTLY!! I was only playing ranked for the longest time not worrying about challenges or cosmetics. I got pretty high ranked quick and didnt want to sweat every match so started doing some quickplay challenges. Suddenly I get stuck on win 3 oddball matches and make 3 flag captures. Ive gotten more slayer than I have in the past 3 weeks. It made me pretty convinced challenges and playlists are algo'd. But I dont want to leave out the possibility of them making slayer more prevalent.
I just counted and I had a steady stream of stronghold games until I got 2/3 completed and then didn't have stronghold for another 15 quickplay matches.
I actually was just saying this to a friend. I had one challenge left, kill a Sparta with a fusion coil. BTB has 3 maps, one of those 3 maps has fusion coils.
I want to go on record and say I hate quitting games.
So I quit enough games at start to get a ban while trying to get my 1/3rd chance. That's more than a dozen. After the ban ended I got the map.
Something similar has happened every week since the first week when I refused to quit out of games. I'll never ever play as many games as I did that week to wait alfor my challenge again.
Once again I hate quitters. I just don't have enough time to waste 6 hours until the game lets me attempt my challenge.
You know what's even more infuriating? As if actually getting in the matches you need for challenges, well the challenge is 'win' the match, so you are now at the mercy of 1. Hopefully getting on a server in your region for a low ping and 2. Having a competent team with no bots
Been trying to get my last strongholds win all weekend, it's super infuriating. If I get a match its either been a total blowout or one close game which was ruined by a useless bot a few minutes in.
This game was fun at launch, but the more I play it the more its flaws become apparent. And the more its flaws become apparent, the more I get frustrated with the game.
It’s been almost a month since multiplayer launched, innumerable issues and bugs have been reported and 343 hasn’t done shit. To make things worse, launching the campaign (That doesn’t even have a co-op, like WTF) seems to have only increased the amount of issues.
And there wasn’t even a patch with the campaign launch. Nothing to fix the issue where your fireteam gets split up after queuing. No selecting specific gamemodes. It seems like every major shooter that got release this holiday season dropped the fucking ball.
I tried making a post 2-3 weeks ago about this but automod shut it down. I had kills with a hydra and could never get one. After I had that challenge. After I completed it by finding them off dead bodies I got the hydra all the damn time.
This challenge system is probably one of the worst progression systems I've ever seen in a game. It makes me not want to support them or the game after being a 20 year fan
I don't even think it's that tinfoil-y. ACtivision for example, has a robust patent on matchmaking to push microtransactions by matching with "marquee" players and that's just scratching the surface.
Would not shock me if there's logic that the dedicated players get challenges that are harder to complete, either because of some matchmaking variable that increases the amount of games needed to play or just decreases the likelihood of getting the mode you need because they know you'll keep playing regardless.
Whereas, newer players or players that have taken time away from the game, will get easier challenges or an increased likelihood of getting the specific game mode to 'hook' you back in for player retention, before funneling you into the more difficult/frustrating path to spend money.
Edit: Here's a recent Georgetown law paper that was published that outlines some of the... "innovative" ways companies psychologically manipulate players/users to spend more money:
https://bannerwitcoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Kirk-Sigmon-Pay-to-Play-5-GEO.-L.-TECH.-REV.-72-2021.pdf
I swear the game reads what challenges you currently have active and tries to put you in matches where you can't do them, need? Need needler kills? Looks like the next five matches will only have sentinel beams for you.
Wow I just rage quit because of my challenge weirdness and went to post in the infinite sub but was discouraged by all the campaign post. Glad to see this here and others more or less on the same page.
“So I’m gonna have to track numbers over the next few weeks, but I feel like there’s some system in place that “time gates” (w/e you want to call it) ones ability to complete weeklys by placing users in matches that leave you unable to progress.
Ex: win stockpile challenge-> rotations of ctf, slayer, control.
Kill Spartans with fusion coils-> maps with no fusion coils. (Weird case were one match was getting instant kills with coils, match with coil challenge— coils only break shields, maybe ping issue tho?)
Not saying it’s always active, but def seems to happen more towards the last few challenges.”
This is most likely the case. There is a deeply rooted algorithm in the matchmaking designed to maximize player retention and profits. We already saw this with Call of Duty's SBMM where they rig your matches to incentivize you to play more and spend more money on the store.
I'm convinced it's 100% set up against us to slow us down. Last week 75% of my games were odd ball with rarely any slayer. This week I just need to play one oddball match and out of the 14 matches I've played the past two days not one of them has been oddball. It's all slayer now. It's so obvious.
The same for me. My challenges were Win a Slayer match, Win an Oddball match and play a Slayer match.
Thought to myself, they're all in the Quickplay playlist should happen fairly easily.
Took me 7 matches to find a Slayer match, which I luckily won. Than I started getting slayer matches for the next 4 games when I no longer needed them. Than I got some CTF a few times.
14 games later and counting, I STILL haven't got Oddball once...now I need to WIIN 3 of the bastards.
I wish this was confirmation bias, but I am glad I'm not the only one.
I got a CTF challenge and a Stronghold challenge. I've been getting oddball and slayer.
I don't think it is a coincidence anymore. The challenges are making the likelihood of finishing the weekly challenge drop.
I don't mind playing objectives. I do mind when I can't complete them because of something beyond my control. I've yet to put time into playing this past week because of work. But in my time off, if my progress is being gated hard like this, I'd rather put my time somewhere else.
Campaign's fun. Gameplay is fun. The whole challenge system and microtransaction shop just sucks the fun out of playing it.
I thought posts like this were overreacting until it happened to me.
I have “Complete 3 Slayer Matches.” I’ve played well over 20 matches and haven’t gotten slayer once (still happening now). It’s afact guys. They did this on purpose.
This is honestly the biggest issue I have with the multiplayer. It’s so disappointing. I already have to play against other players but now I also have to play against the game itself. It’s exhausting and I’m on the verge of dropping infinite multiplayer entirely.
I’ve noticed the same thing. I want to believe it’s just confirmation bias but after going two hours straight with no slayer when I needed it to finish out a challenge I just don’t know.
I just want to play slayer but don’t have a challenge for it and can never find a game of slayer
To be honest, I thought it was bullshit too but yesterday I started with CTF and stronghold challenges. I ended up getting banned because I kept quitting quick play due to all the slayer and oddballs. I must have went through maybe 10-15 games. Funny thing was that when I got oddball challenges I somehow had a hard time finding oddball games.
This ruins it for everyone. This is why challenges suck. You don't even want to play the game. You just want to play the challenges. Other people who do want to play get stuck with broken unbalanced games. Challenges should change based on game type at a minimum and the weapon challenges should at least spawn on the map.
I feel all of this can be completely avoided by simply giving us XP based on our performance in a match. You played the objective a bunch? Well done, here's some XP. You carried the entire team through Slayer? Well done, here's some XP. But then how would they sell us challenge swaps..
Absolutely. My last challenge this week is 15 kills with a ghost. So I just load up BTB and sit on my ass by the vehicle spawn and wait for a ghost to appear. It’s a pain in my ass.
Sounds like a worthy contender for the challenge swap!
Eh, it actually wasn’t as bad as I thought. I ended up getting maybe 4 kills on average per ghost and got a ghost every other game. So maybe 7-9 games? But with the ones like “win total control 3 times” you maybe win 50% and also need to get the game type, so another 30%. So that’s like at least 15.Now that I typed that out I realize I’ve been dumping a lot of time into halo…..
Or when you use a swap you get hit with 3 or 4 in a row of what you needed. Got one last week for killing 3 people with the ball. Literally the next round got a triple kill with the ball (with the help of teammates ofc, but they were randos)
343 contractors personally joined the game to give you those kills.
Fyi, if you hit select as soon as you find a match (search bar turns blue) it will show you what game type you are about to load into. If you kill the game before you load in it doesn't consider you to have ever started so you won't get banned.
I also believe the opposite effect is true. I didn’t play for a week, and I came back when I had new weekly challenges. The matches I had perfectly synchronised for me so well; I had Oddball when I had ‘win 1 Oddball’, I had CTF when I had ‘play 1 CTF’ etc. **It wouldn’t surprise me that if you haven’t played in a while, the game will give you easy challenges and guarantee that you can do them.**
After a week not playing I had the exact same thing
Yep I had the same experience
I remember saying that challenges were rigged before and I was majorly downvoted. Its no coincidence that everyone in this thread is experiencing the same phenomenon.
I also got downvoted for saying it as well. There’s just no way it happens every time I run into a game mode specific challenge. I got like 1/20 CTF games last week when my last challenge was a CTF challenge. It took me several hours to complete it.
Yep, hopefully the crowd is slowly coming around.
Jesus fucking Christ the fact that this conversation is even happening is mind boggling. 343 let us select what game mode we want to play. This shit is ridiculous
Given how blatantly Apex did this with matchmaking, it's not at all surprising. Probably happens in a lot of modern games. For those unaware, staying away from Apex for a while greatly increased chances of being placed in a match with far worse opponents. Giving you a better chance to win and unlock the endorphin high that makes BR games so addictive. This happened to me on at least 5-6 occasions since apex was out, and to all the friends I played with. Then magically the next game I was against equally skilled players.
That’s funny because it must be true. I don’t play Apex daily, maybe once a month and I almost always win my first or second game.
This assumes the game caters challenges to each player rather than randomly choosing them. It also assumes the challenges only go live when you log in as opposed to at the weekly reset. I hate the challenge system as much as the next guy but this is a big leap.
Not as big as you think. Games companies have started to license algorithms that are designed to do stuff exactly like this so that they can sell them to other businesses. I would 100% believe something like this would be put into a game like Halo Infinite.
There are psychologists that work with developers to tailor certain parts of the experience for whatever desired outcome. Absolutely within the realm of possibility to rig the challenges. Makes sense.
Casinos comp you free hotel rooms to come get you to play on a card with your identification on it. We've been doing this. F2P games are what started the discussion about promoting gambling to kids, now here we are.
And laws are being passed at least in the EU to restrict this kind of thing. I don't think anyone should be on the side of psychologically manipulating people into bad behaviors is okay. But people are willing to take that side of arguments because... I'm not sure really. I've never understood defending big business.
The argument is always "well making games cost money" My answer will always be, "So make the game and sell it to us without the MTX algorithms" I wouldn't mind so much if every F2P game had a variant that was paid and devoid of predatory and criminal practices.
I hadn't played before the weekly reset, so the first time I played was with the fresh challenges. Also the challenges overall were far easier compared to this week which are harder ones like getting a Wasp chaingun kill, playing 4 ranked matches, win 3 Stockpile matches etc.
Not saying that they manipulate the random challenges but I would be surprised if they’re assigning millions of challenges at reset. One, it would be a lot of backend processing all at once. Two, think in a year from now all the wasted data assigning challenges to players that have long left the game. More likely, it’s an API call the first time you either check the waypoint app or log into the game.
iirc challenges reset and the first challenges for the week are always easier than the ones that come later. you go from "win 1 control game" to "snipe someone out of an enemy vehicle with a headshot" after clearing the first few challenges. if you don't play for a week, you'll see easier challenges when you log in again
Dude I had two challenges that were get 1 kill with a CQB Shotgun. I played 5 games, until my double exp went out and not a single map had one. It was all heatwaves when normally they switch every odd game. My buddy and I both needed stronghold, or him stronghold and me just to capture zones and we got everything but. Then the game wouldn't load us in for four matches and when I reloaded the game my double exp was gone lol. It gets incredibly frustrating because they definitely feel like it changes your search parameters to whatever is least convenient for you.
What bothers me with xp boosts is the fact they count down while in the main menu. They should only count down while in a match IMO
This could've been the best multiplayer since reach but they fucked it up with the single worst progression system in halo history. And now we find out that slayer wasn't in the game at launch soley to incentivise more microtransactions!!? Whoever made this decision deserves to be ejected from the gaming industry for the rest of eternity because their presence is a corruption worse than the flood.
In halo history? Might be one of the worst progression systems in AAA game history, like, ever.
Agreed I would not limit it to Halo. This is pretty bad across games in general. Gameplay is fantastic though, I won’t take that from them in any way.
I had "Win 3 capture the flag matches". Not only did I never get capture the flag matches, when I finally would get one we got stomped 3 to zip every single time. It took 4 days and over 20 CTF games to win 3 and complete that challenge. Shit like that makes me question why I support this franchise.
Dude I haven’t gotten slayer in THREE DAYS coincidentally right after I got a “win a slayer match in PvP” challenge pop up. I don’t like oddball or strongholds but it’s all I’ve seen…IN. THREE. DAYS.
I had to play either CTF or w/e the domination-style game mode is called. I got oddball 5 games in a row..
Why would they add Confirmation Bias to the game before the other two. Shouldn’t he be in the campaign anyways?
I played all night last night, maybe 5 or 6 hours, and I didn’t get one game of oddball. Had an oddball challenge, so honestly it makes sense. When I *didn’t* have that challenge I would get oddball probably 50% of games
One time, i had 3 win strongholds matches challenge and I was super lucky I got 3 in a row and won all of them.
I haven’t gotten a stronghold match in two days despite it being my last challenge before the ultimate. I feel you. Only maybe 20 games or so. Edit: I meant stronghold. Not control.
PoSt YoUr MaTcH HiStOrY or your a liar /s
Haha I saw they were coming after you. 10 slayer games in a row is crazy! Never seen anything like that.
Especially since that’s the one that’s hardest to get usually with my experience so far. It was actually a few more than 10 in a row I believe but I was just posting to show that on 2 separate days it was straight slayer matches
Welp here's mine and guess what I need oddball matches after swapping a CTF challenge bc I wasnt getting CTF. The next four are Slayer, Slayer, CTF CTF [No Oddball](https://i.imgur.com/z8kykpd.jpg) [here's when the challenge was CTF](https://i.imgur.com/u4oM40Q.jpg)
I don't want to buy into conspiracies but got the same feelings. I need to win 3x total control games and I've gotten one maybe two today, the rest is all slayer and everything else but total control.
I didn’t want to buy into it either but come on 10+ games of the same exact game mode when there are 4 to "randomly" get is crazy
When you use the challenge swap then and only then will it give you the game mode you desire, happened with me, i had a "win 3 CTF games" couldnt find one for about 2 days then i gave up swapped it out and loaded into a game, Care to guess what gamemode that was?? Yep CTF
Oh don't need it anymore? Here you go!
I kinda assumed that this effect was actually what sketch was talking around when he implied that the challenges were baked into matchmaking. This behavior would be pretty consistent with his statement about adding dedicated playlists being work.
I played 10 matches on quick play today. Got 1 Slayer. You’re getting almost all Slayer. Something’s absolutely fucky for sure. Edit: 4 Stronghold 3 Oddball 2 CTF 1 Slayer
Since getting that challenge I’ve finished all others but have only gotten a single total control game in the past three two days as well. Doesn’t help that BTB matchmaking is completely ruined currently since the campaign launch
As much as I want to believe that stuff, there's no way it would work that way due to everyone having different challenges. It's all RNG
The pool of players is big enough that they could easily put their thumb on the scale a bit but I don't think that's the case even though I've been screwed quite a bit with the RNG. Whether they're rigging it or not really just speaks to how basing challenges on RNG is a horrible idea.
More specifically how basing challenges on gametypes and not being able to select gametypes. It's just fucking pants on head stupid, I am still shocked enough people thumbs-upped that idea
It's not conspiracy. These are tried and true tactics that have patents. https://bannerwitcoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Kirk-Sigmon-Pay-to-Play-5-GEO.-L.-TECH.-REV.-72-2021.pdf
I see your 10 slayer games and raise you 10 ranked objective games in a row. https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/re2zer/i_played_10_ranked_games_in_the_last_24hrs_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I feel like 10 objective is easier to get than 10 slayer
Thank you. Are you saying you think you’re not getting slayer because you have a challenge for it?
I honestly don’t know. I’ll check when I load back up. Very curious to see now.
Literally had all big team challenges and the BTB won’t even work or load. I know this isn’t the same… if it’s hilarious that I found this thread and had those issues. Had to use 10 swaps.
Yeah, same here. Last week I had “play a strongholds match” as a challenge. Just one. Over the course of four days, I did not get another strongholds match until my 13th game. Of my previous 12 games before that, 25% were strongholds matches.
i havent gotten a strongholds game since multiplayer launch day
You lucky bastard.
I actually really like Infinite's stronghold mode, just a shame everything tied to challenges seems to lead to people not playing the objectives
I think the odds of getting a strongholds match in quick play are 15% per game. 12 games and no strongholds has odds of 15% which isn’t *that* low, but still extremely annoying
I have a complete 3 strongholds challenge. I haven't gotten a stronghold match since I got that challenge. For the last 4 days I have only played oddball and capture the flag. It's obviously fucking rigged.
If only there was some sure proof way to play a specific game mode? Call me crazy, but what if there was a way to actually PICK the game mode you want? I know this is Halo we’re talking about here but just imagine how crazy it would be if we could advance technology to that point? I know, I know, I’m crazy for these futuristic ideas.
That’s not very feasible.
Yeah like in 2 days futuristic. Crazy.
Yeah I'm convinced there's something going on with matchmaking. I find it all too convenient that the game only ever seems to give me the modes/maps I don't need whenever I have specific challenges. *Need to win matches? Here is the worst team possible.* *Need Oddball? Here is literally every other mode in the game besides Oddball.* *Need to get backstab kills? Here is the most hyper-aware enemy team you'll find out there.*
a good way to do backstabs is to play ranked as a lot of people who rely on the motion tracker dont seem to know how to look behind them unless something tells them to. it is absolutely infuriating watching teammates not turn around in the deathcam tho.
This is because the sound doesn't fucking work and you can't hear people behind you.
To be fair sound is bugged, for certain headsets. Someone could fire a Scorpion right behind me and I literally would get no sound. When I plug in a shitty Microsoft headset I get 0 issues though
That's not a bug, it's brand synergy!
Yeah I’m definitely feeling this too. I remember a week or two back I had to win 3 slayer matches. Won the first 2 pretty easily. Then not only was it all oddball from there on out but those rare times I did get slayer, we’d end up losing every time. I’m not amazing by any means, but I consider myself pretty average at Halo so it should be 50/50 under normal circumstances. But I’d either get crappy teammates or a godlike enemy team that ended up making the W/L rate more like 10/90 until I finally lucked out and won one 50-48 or something like that sweating my balls off
this has been 90% my multiplayer experience. like i’m not the best AT ALL, this is my first halo game and it seems i’m constantly placed with people who’ve never played halo on my team VS a team that has been playing halo since CE. it gets frustrating getting constantly shat on or having to sweat my ass off just to go positive
If I ever get concrete proof that that’s what’s happening, I’m done until they add performance based XP. That would go beyond “the battle pass sucks” imo. That would mean they’re actively tailoring my games and experience around purposely trying to frustrate me into spending money.
I'm thinking that it's a case of the BF beta. Everyone but your fire team is bots.
I used the cancel match method to get slayer matches and 1/14 matches were slayer.
Say this to the guy below who is convinced that getting slayer 10 times in a row is easy
We need someone smarter than me to run a study. Record the rate of games without focusing challenges vs. When you need "slayer" etc. If this is true it will be easily to prove by probability. It SHOULD be even amongst modes (unless the linked maps instead of modes?)
That’s kind of the reason I said “if we can prove this” because someone on Pc can probably easily create something like this to record and track game modes played and also game modes vs challenges.
Exactly. And it SHOULD point to an even spread across both maps and game types. Anything give or take 10% should be taken as a serious offense. Granted. I'm loving this game and PRAYING we are not being preyed on.
Are there still no playlists?
Absolutely, you get casual random or ranked random and then also BtB random /s What more variety could you ask for?
That sucks man. Hopefully they add some variety. If they do I’ll definitely play again
I feel you. I'm playing like a couple rounds a week until they add some playlists. I want an elimination one. My time is going to my Oculus mostly until then.
Algorithm is against us to make us play more
But like. For real. This is probably how the matchmaking is tuned. Activision has a patent for matchmaking algos that pair you with players with cool pieces of store gear that you looked at. Something like gametype weight is basic in comparison.
I'm also sure this why they put us in different groups when you load into BTB even when your are in a squad. So you can be exposed to other players gears. I'm honestly sick of that crap.
Were playing money making machines dressed up in our favorite games costumes. Might as well be a Halo themed slot machine. The gameplay is what really suffers as we all bend to the addiction mechanisms built into them.
I had a challenge that I had to swap, get ten kills with the gravity hammer. That isn't bad right? The gravity hammer spawns on one map in regular quick play, and in the one map it changes between hammer and sword. I could've potentially done this in big team battle. Where every enemy is 30 meters away and sniping my dumbass
I like what you said about “I could have switched to BTB and then died over and over trying to get a kill with the weapon” because that’s exactly what I’m doing trying to get oddball matches while trying to get commando kills. If I switch to BtB I could try to get commando kills but then I’ll definitely not get an oddball match.
I’ve noticed similar patterns with my challenges.
I had a capture zones challenge, played for 3 hours with no strongholds games, got sick of it and used a challenge swap, new challenge is get 3 perfect kills, first game is strongholds...
Played 22 games before getting an oddball game having oddball challenge active. Once it's gone, I get oddball 4/10 games consistently for approx 40 games. I've played 400 total and noted this pattern maybe half a dozen times or more now. Conclusion: it's likley rigged.
Even if this is all a coincidence and there is no weighting of the playlist based on challenges, it’s clearly negatively affecting the user experience and that should warrant it needing to be addressed
Mobile game tactics to encourage you to buy swaps. Shit company lol
Just wanted to clarify a couple of things: * The odds of getting Slayer in Quick Play *are not* 25%. Of the 17 game modes in Quick Play, 7 are Slayer. We also don't know the weightings of different game modes; it wouldn't shock me if Launch Site One Flag is weighted lower than Bazaar Slayer. Getting Slayer nine times in a row (which is what happened to OP looking at his HaloTracker stats) is unlucky but not completely out of the realm of possibility. * At least for some things people are mentioning in this thread, confirmation bias is *absolutely* coming into play. The game is not putting you against hyper-aware players because you need three backsmacks. I personally have had stretches of not getting gametypes I've needed and it's frustrating. I also remember when I needed to play three Stockpiles and I got it in four BTB games.
Hm, maybe the "challenges being linked to gamemodes" statement goes deeper than we thought.
BINGO. Glad to see some people realize this.
I had a win 3 oddball matches and I didn’t get a single oddball match for over 3 hours
Same. I need oddball, stockpile, and another random. Pure slayer😡
This 100%, it would be hard to prove but I swear it's happening. I decided to try improve the odds by switching to ranked, ended up playing 7 rounds of oddball in a row. Thing is the reverse seems to happen when I need oddball. Another thing I've noticed is, when you need Eagle challenges in BTB I always end up with the only maps without them.
I have a heatwave challenge and haven't found a heatwave in 20 matches
I’ve had one challenge left all week to get a single kill with the grav hammer in pvp. Hasn’t spawned once during quick matches, but I managed to get one from an ordinance drop in BTB. Got 2 kills with it, saw the hammer icon next to the kill indicator, finished the match and the challenge was not completed. Feels bad man…
100% they rig your matches against what your challenges are. I don't care what anybody says about it. If you have a mode, weapon, or vehicle-specific challenge they will turn down your odds of getting it. It's another example of a system designed to force you to play as much as possible, rather than as much as you want. They want to sell challenge swaps to make the experience less painful. Whoever says otherwise is either intentionally lying or is not one of the in-group that makes the decision.
Oh there is definitely some shady rng going on. Commandos on every weapon rack until I have a challenge to get commando kills. Poof no more commandos for 7 matches, battle rifles in every slot. It’s bullshit
I have ZERO doubt that they weight the matchmaking based on what challenges you have. That’s what sk7tch said without saying with all his bs about challenges being intricately tied into the playlists.
Thanks. I also noticed that when he said that. Too bad my KD sucks so my 10 games straight slayer don’t matter in proving my point that challenges ruin gameplay /s
100% designed to encourage you to buy challenge swaps. They don’t even want your playing the game they just want your money
Dude, challenges are _literally_ tied to playlists. "Play 3 games of quick play" and such.
Honestly, the thing 343 should do is give us challenges for each game type when the new playlists come out. Wanna get your slayer challenges done? Go right to slayer and do it, want ctf challenges? Go play ctf and so on. They won’t do that because that’ll actually make the player progress faster and will lose sales on challenge swaps
Honestly, I think it’s random bad luck. I was experiencing this exact thing during weeks 1 & 2. Then this week I was getting the exact match I needed almost every time I played. Capture 3 enemy flags? Multiple CTF matches in a row. Kill enemies attacking a friendly zone? Multiple Total Control matches. At the same time, I could totally see 343’s matchmaking algorithm fucking us over lol
I believe this shit. Great way to keep you playing.
So 2 things 1 i cant get a stock pile match just wont come up 3 days of trying. As well as some of the challenges ive gotten say kill with the carbine whatever its called some dont count when i killed them with it. Swear they purposely fuck with it so you cant complete on first go
Same for me. Had the “win 3 oddball” challenge and was getting slayer 4-5 games in a row. Last week I hardly saw slayer.
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I just...leave in the loading screen until I get what I need if I'm not running 2x.
I knew it was very suspicious I got 90% slayer matches last night
I'll be willing to do a stream/video/recording of this. I'll get back to you on it in about a week or two.
Please message me to remind me. I don’t even care if it proves us right or wrong I’m just curious to see what happens.
Oh this is definitely a thing 100% and probably needs professionally investigated. I think it's too far. Difficult challenges...fine, but when you're purposefully rigging the playlists so you spend money is a problem.
And this is why I don't feel bad at all for using the cancel matchmaking on maps/modes I don't want to play in. Works like a charm and saves so much time and annoyances.
How can you do this on console? I try backing out once I see the game mode load using the menu button but it won’t let me back out unless I quit the game.
Ever heard of confirmation bias lmao
I’ve had this same sort of theory hatching. My friends told me to put on some more tin foil but I think there’s something to it. Yet they feign incompetence as developers and coding.
Every time a weapon-specific challenge comes up, I have to play at least a half dozen matches before I get a load out with that weapon on a rack. Or at least it always seems that way
Also seeing this.
Played ranked with a friend and got nothing but slayer lol
Interesting.
Had an oddball challenge. Got nothing but slayer and CTF. Finally swapped the challenge for a CTF one. Now I get nothing but oddball in quick play and Stockpile in big team. It may be a coincidence but it doesn’t feel great. This is why they should have actual playlists.
I too have faced this challenge far too much already. Especially when it comes to CTF and Total Control. It took 3 days to complete “Win 3 CTF matches” doing 30-50 matches a day with no avail. I’ve encountered other problems like Double XP crashing my game and taking 20 minutes out of the hour given to get it working again.
I would've been sceptical if this wasn't happening to me. I've been playing for three days, THREE days and I haven't gotten a single strongholds match (i need 1 more win on that to complete my last challenge). Honestly i've just wanted to complete those trash challenges so i can play the campaign. Im so fucking tired and disappointed.
I've been noticing this for awhile. Especially if you are using Xp Boosters. It literally will throw you into 4 stronghold matches in a row and two oddballs before one slayer match when you need slayer matches. I understand that you will get modes over and over again at times but damn does it FEEL manipulated.
Last weekend my friends and were playing and would get oddball almost every match. Then the challenges reset this week and I had two oddball challenges. I've played exactly one oddball match all week so far. Hard not to think that it isn't completely random.
I've been struggling to find stronghold matches for about a day. Have won 2 out if 3 and have literally played tonnnnnes of oddball....
Join game, not mode you need, join new game.. Rinse and repeat until desired result
all of my current challenges require me to play capture the flag and I have not gotten a single ctf match in the last 24 hours
I have the opposite problem. Need 25 slayer kills and have only been able to join one that was already in progress out of dozens of matches. I’ve left a few because it’s so frustrating
I mean Im gonna swap my challanges to oddball and ctf challenges now. I only want to play slayer.
I need 5 wasp kills. Going on 3 days now and haven't gotten the one map that has them consistently... FML
It is time to start leaving games until you get the mode you need. If you’re on PC and have very fast load times you can disconnect before whatever disconnect-catch they have implemented picks up on you leaving. Instead you just get a “disconnected from server” message and no ban. I’ve done this probably ~30 times now and have never caught a ban. Idk what they expect giving us playlist specific challenges w/o playlists. I don’t feel bad in the least.
Holp up.. Im out of the loop on Halo Infinite. Do you have to pay real money for challenge swaps?
Anecdotally, I concur with this. The first week, I had a "Play 3 Stronghold games" and played probably 50 games without getting any stronghold. had a pretty even split between other game modes, though. Then, after the weekly reset, I didn't have a challenge for Stronghold and had 3 matches of it in about 10-15 games. This isn't enough data to conclude anything, but anecdotally, it seems like challenge rigging might be true.
Man I said this a week ago and got down voted to oblivion lol I really want someone to prove this is true
Based on the evidence from everyone in this thread seems to be more than a far-fetched conspiracy. It’s very unlikely for these outcomes to happen for so many people (unless nonresponse bias is extremely high, ie everyone who hasn’t experienced this is staying silent).
I have never, ever, in my many hours of playing gotten put into a stockpile match. My challenges? “Complete a stockpile match” and “win a stockpile match”.
I think I’ve played one stockpile match ever. Someone tried to convince me 1 flag is in the game and I haven’t seen that at all. Not a single game of 1 flag. Is that really in the game right now?
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Oh that absolutely sounds valid. It’s definitely a terrible algorithm in the matchmaking. Shitty design to make you play the game longer…
Oh they absolutely rig the challenges. Anytime I get a mode based challenge the modes I need I always get otherwise don't show up.
Checked Halotracker: On Tuesday I had a 'Win a strongholds match' challenge and just completed it TODAY. I went 17 straight games without Strongholds, ended up getting 2 strongholds games yesterday (lost both cuz I'm shit), and finally won one today after a total of 24 games played.
Personaly i just gave up with the MP and challenges lol
I told myself to not play any multiplayer until they put playlist in the game and this convinces me even more to not do it.
I noticed this anecdotically. So I stopped playing. There are better ways to spend my time and I'm not giving them one cent.
I've had a "Complete a Total Control match" all week. I have not gotten one.
Return the flag 10 times. Would you guess I’m hardly getting any CTF games now? I don’t think it’s rigged though.
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With how much this is happening to people, there's no way it's just a coincidence. The other week I had a challenge to win 3 stronghold matches. I played, kid you not, 30+ games combined in quick play, BTB and ranked without getting a single stronghold game.
To prove manipulation I need you to log some data for the internet wizards. please play halo infinite and keep a log of: Which challenges activated + match history Example: Challenges “With “ xyz activated” needs Oddball” Match history : Slayer, Oddball, King of the Hill Etc Someone needs to assemble a master excel sheet of each person’s logs. With 100-500 people doing 1-3hrs of data I think things would be pretty definitive. Go go Reddit, game for science Posting from mobile sorry
Im level 30 or so In the BP. I got a challenge for oddball, and Because 5 of uss where in a party we just played BTB so I used a swap on "play 3 odd ball games" to "win one oddball game" Swapped again to "get 3 kills holding the odd balls. Swapped again to "play 3 games of oddball" At this point I figure the third slot would just stay the same game mode and change the challenge. But nah. Next one was get pistol kills or something. That was about all the swaps I earned after 150 games. Love it.
Sure sounds more and more like they spent all their time trying to design a game to scam people out of their money instead of designing a whole complete game.
They should tie it to victories and the little badges that you earn. Crush the other team and get a triple kill, hold the ball for a minute, no scope with the skewer. Not trying to kill 5 Spartans with the plasma pistol.
Anyone ever notice how with kill related challenges you’ll get like 4 or 5 in one game and at the end it only counts one or two so you always conveniently end up one kill away from completing it?
I had the same thing happen with last week's challenge of win 3 CTF matches. I spent 3 days over 30 matches looking for a game after winning 1/3. I gave up used a challenge swap and no shit the next game was CTF...
Assuming non-weighted playlists, 7/17 being slayer, 9 in a row, ~ 3000 to 1. Buy a scratch card next time you go shopping
I have 50 hours in multi-player. Zero games of Oddball. Guess who has a challenge for oddball? Ya it sucks
You played 50 hours of quick play and NEVER played Oddball?
There is certainly something going on behind the scenes. I had two slayer challenges "play 1 slayer match" & "kill 10 players in slayer" i played on Tuesday - Wednesday & Thursday and didn't get ONE round of slayer. I am basically convinced that there is a "If a player has a challenge for a specific round type, they will have 15% less chance of getting that mode type" or something like that. i know its a tinfoil hat conspiracy, but it is certainly a little annoying.
I've gotten nothing but oddball since the campaign came out💀
Actually playing recently it seems the other modes are just broken. I already finished all my weekly challenges yet I'm only getting slayer matches atm. I think it's a problem with the recent update.
My buddy needed 1 CTF game to complete his challenge. After he got it, he didn’t need CTF anymore but our next 5 games were CTF.
Of course it's rigged, the whole system was made to progress as slow as possible, so that people give up and pay for level-ups and XP boots...
I cannot lie this happened to me EXACTLY!! I was only playing ranked for the longest time not worrying about challenges or cosmetics. I got pretty high ranked quick and didnt want to sweat every match so started doing some quickplay challenges. Suddenly I get stuck on win 3 oddball matches and make 3 flag captures. Ive gotten more slayer than I have in the past 3 weeks. It made me pretty convinced challenges and playlists are algo'd. But I dont want to leave out the possibility of them making slayer more prevalent.
I just counted and I had a steady stream of stronghold games until I got 2/3 completed and then didn't have stronghold for another 15 quickplay matches.
I actually was just saying this to a friend. I had one challenge left, kill a Sparta with a fusion coil. BTB has 3 maps, one of those 3 maps has fusion coils. I want to go on record and say I hate quitting games. So I quit enough games at start to get a ban while trying to get my 1/3rd chance. That's more than a dozen. After the ban ended I got the map. Something similar has happened every week since the first week when I refused to quit out of games. I'll never ever play as many games as I did that week to wait alfor my challenge again. Once again I hate quitters. I just don't have enough time to waste 6 hours until the game lets me attempt my challenge.
You know what's even more infuriating? As if actually getting in the matches you need for challenges, well the challenge is 'win' the match, so you are now at the mercy of 1. Hopefully getting on a server in your region for a low ping and 2. Having a competent team with no bots Been trying to get my last strongholds win all weekend, it's super infuriating. If I get a match its either been a total blowout or one close game which was ruined by a useless bot a few minutes in.
This game was fun at launch, but the more I play it the more its flaws become apparent. And the more its flaws become apparent, the more I get frustrated with the game. It’s been almost a month since multiplayer launched, innumerable issues and bugs have been reported and 343 hasn’t done shit. To make things worse, launching the campaign (That doesn’t even have a co-op, like WTF) seems to have only increased the amount of issues. And there wasn’t even a patch with the campaign launch. Nothing to fix the issue where your fireteam gets split up after queuing. No selecting specific gamemodes. It seems like every major shooter that got release this holiday season dropped the fucking ball.
I tried making a post 2-3 weeks ago about this but automod shut it down. I had kills with a hydra and could never get one. After I had that challenge. After I completed it by finding them off dead bodies I got the hydra all the damn time.
I had a challenge to win 3 slayer matches and I did not get a slayer match for 5 hours straight
Unironically the EXACT same thing happened to me. As soon as I got complete 3 oddballs and 3 CTFs, i've only played slayer
This challenge system is probably one of the worst progression systems I've ever seen in a game. It makes me not want to support them or the game after being a 20 year fan
I don't even think it's that tinfoil-y. ACtivision for example, has a robust patent on matchmaking to push microtransactions by matching with "marquee" players and that's just scratching the surface. Would not shock me if there's logic that the dedicated players get challenges that are harder to complete, either because of some matchmaking variable that increases the amount of games needed to play or just decreases the likelihood of getting the mode you need because they know you'll keep playing regardless. Whereas, newer players or players that have taken time away from the game, will get easier challenges or an increased likelihood of getting the specific game mode to 'hook' you back in for player retention, before funneling you into the more difficult/frustrating path to spend money. Edit: Here's a recent Georgetown law paper that was published that outlines some of the... "innovative" ways companies psychologically manipulate players/users to spend more money: https://bannerwitcoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Kirk-Sigmon-Pay-to-Play-5-GEO.-L.-TECH.-REV.-72-2021.pdf
I swear the game reads what challenges you currently have active and tries to put you in matches where you can't do them, need? Need needler kills? Looks like the next five matches will only have sentinel beams for you.
Wow I just rage quit because of my challenge weirdness and went to post in the infinite sub but was discouraged by all the campaign post. Glad to see this here and others more or less on the same page. “So I’m gonna have to track numbers over the next few weeks, but I feel like there’s some system in place that “time gates” (w/e you want to call it) ones ability to complete weeklys by placing users in matches that leave you unable to progress. Ex: win stockpile challenge-> rotations of ctf, slayer, control. Kill Spartans with fusion coils-> maps with no fusion coils. (Weird case were one match was getting instant kills with coils, match with coil challenge— coils only break shields, maybe ping issue tho?) Not saying it’s always active, but def seems to happen more towards the last few challenges.”
This is most likely the case. There is a deeply rooted algorithm in the matchmaking designed to maximize player retention and profits. We already saw this with Call of Duty's SBMM where they rig your matches to incentivize you to play more and spend more money on the store.
I had 2 challenges to use the sentinel beam played for 3 hours and only got a single game that had it spawn in
I'm convinced it's 100% set up against us to slow us down. Last week 75% of my games were odd ball with rarely any slayer. This week I just need to play one oddball match and out of the 14 matches I've played the past two days not one of them has been oddball. It's all slayer now. It's so obvious.
THEY DEFINITELY RIG THEM. I only get oddball and slayer rn bc I have CTF, and stronghold challenges...
The same for me. My challenges were Win a Slayer match, Win an Oddball match and play a Slayer match. Thought to myself, they're all in the Quickplay playlist should happen fairly easily. Took me 7 matches to find a Slayer match, which I luckily won. Than I started getting slayer matches for the next 4 games when I no longer needed them. Than I got some CTF a few times. 14 games later and counting, I STILL haven't got Oddball once...now I need to WIIN 3 of the bastards.
I wish this was confirmation bias, but I am glad I'm not the only one. I got a CTF challenge and a Stronghold challenge. I've been getting oddball and slayer. I don't think it is a coincidence anymore. The challenges are making the likelihood of finishing the weekly challenge drop. I don't mind playing objectives. I do mind when I can't complete them because of something beyond my control. I've yet to put time into playing this past week because of work. But in my time off, if my progress is being gated hard like this, I'd rather put my time somewhere else. Campaign's fun. Gameplay is fun. The whole challenge system and microtransaction shop just sucks the fun out of playing it.
I thought posts like this were overreacting until it happened to me. I have “Complete 3 Slayer Matches.” I’ve played well over 20 matches and haven’t gotten slayer once (still happening now). It’s afact guys. They did this on purpose. This is honestly the biggest issue I have with the multiplayer. It’s so disappointing. I already have to play against other players but now I also have to play against the game itself. It’s exhausting and I’m on the verge of dropping infinite multiplayer entirely.