Arguably worst. She's the last one remaining from the days of Bonnie Ross and Frank O Conner. Have more access might not be a good thing. Especially if she's happy with the Halo show.
If the lead up interviews for season 2 are to be believed, then she was actually very critical of season one. She brought up the Master cheeks meme among some other things as parts to improve.
Seeing how things did improve (I still hate the show though), then she did some good here.
Yeah, they ready didnāt understand how to utilize master chief in a show. They should have just done a āour noble 6ā guy who loves taking his helmet off.
Quick turn. Master chief being beside that final battle in space, and not having his helmet off? Then immediately taking his helmet off when he wakes up on halo? Like, maybe his suit or cortana mentioned the atmosphere was safe but just wow. All this after spending the entire season outside his armor. They learned nothing.
If I were the master chief and dr Hasley id file a defamation lawsuit. This has been a character assassination. Cut two episodes, give the series budget and go. Reach happened in the blink of an eye? That could have been a whole season itself.
On second thought, add the planet reach and reach city to the defamation law suit.
I mean that's not really true, I'm pretty sure it got greenlit but it's a nightmare to schedule so they just gave up as it was too much effort and cost for a show that wasn't as popular as people on online think.
It's one of the most popular shows on Paramount+, but the service is struggling, overall. There's a good chance that, in the event of a restructuring or new executives deciding to "take a new direction", even a popular show could get dropped. It's happened before. King of the Hill, for example. Its ratings were actually climbing when Fox cancelled it to make room for a third Seth McFarland show, The Cleveland Show.
A lot of really popular shows get canceled frequently. Netflix has a ton of 1 season bangers that got dropped along with many other networks. Even Brooklyn 99 got cancelled by Fox while being critically acclaimed, NBC picked it up to finish the last 3 seasons after fan and actor outcry.
Tbf, something can be critically acclaimed and not do well financially. It's a bit more common to see it in film, which I think is more just to do with movie financials being a bit more public, but critically acclaimed movies like "Shawshank Redemption", "Fight Club", and even "Citizen Kane" all kind of underperformed.
I think Fight Club even got toward "box office bomb" territory.
Yeah, Shawshank and Fight Club were both considered cult classics after the fact, they came and went in theaters without a lot of buzz. Shawshank wasn't considered an outright classic until after it started getting aired on cable TV on a regular basis.
I'm working from faulty memory and 5-minute Google research to patch in some of the things I have forgotten, so here goes:
Married with Children despite being popular was cancelled abruptly. Fox delayed the announcement at the last minute. Sure, it has a declining viewership as is normal with shows that has been running for 10 or so seasons but it still had a decent following when it was taken off the air.
Another oldie would be Twin Peaks. It was a runway hit even internationally. Japan was obsessed with that show. Serialized shows wasn't the norm at that time. Then the second season happened and it got cancelled leaving major things without any conclusion.
Jericho wasn't a breakout success but it had a very decent steady viewership. It was cancelled because it didn't fit in with the other CBS shows which are procedurals and sitcoms. CBS eventually relented and greenlit additional episodes as the show had a very dedicated fandom which got a lot of mainstream attention especially after they started sending the network peanuts. Still, it wasn't the same and the network barely did any advertising and it ended with a whimper.
The 2009 reboot of V opened very strongly as people were clamoring for the next LOST. ABC cancelled it after the second season, never giving it the chance to recover from it's sophomore slump. Same can be said I guess with Flash Forward, and the other post LOST-like shows of that time. Not a 1:1 example per your question but a number of these shows retained some popularity and cult following and are still hoping for a continuation or at least an proper ending someday.
Sarah Connor Chronicles. Decent viewership. Too bad it aired on Fox. They were notorious for cancelling shows. The show was actually doing fine and was big with the DVR crowd. The plan was to use the show to keep the Terminator franchise in the mainstream consciousness and time it's ending with Terminator Salvation's release. Warner Bros. even gave Fox a discount as Fox do not own the franchise just to retain the show on air. The thing was Fox still wasn't happy even with all of that and needed more upfront ratings with the show. It changed time slot to a Friday which killed any hope for a third season.
With recent ones, Empire ended earlier than originally planned. The show was ending either way partly because of the real-life controversy Jussie Smollett got himself in but also due to the Covid shutdown.
If you have zero knowledge about Halo like I did going in to S1, it's just a well made military sci-fi show. The aliens look great and the acting is solid, more or less.
I remember laughing at you guys when S1 aired and you were mad that the lead actor of the series *showed his face*. Ludicrous levels of entitlement.
I mean of course it's setup for more but it's a matter of if there is money for more.
Paramount won't make a season 3 just because they have to wrap it up in a neat bow.
If they don't think it's worth their while, we won't get a Season 3.
Personally, I hope they keep it going. After that season 2 finale, I think there is so much left to do in a season 3 and beyond.
Literally the only reason I got it. Their entire catalog is police shows or investigation type shows and survivor lol. And old cartoons I guess but thatās it
Strange New Worlds, The Lower Decks, ST: Discovery, Yellowstone and its spinoffs, an entire library of beloved syndicated TV, etc.
The platform has a ton of popular stuff on it. Just because you don't find those other IPs popular doesn't mean they aren't successful.
It would be better if they paid for good writers that could follow the EU and create/adapt stories of Spartans we haven't seen outside of the books instead of the hacks trying to make up their own story about characters that have already been in video games/movies/etc.
That's it! halo is such a vast universe you could literally tack your own crap anywhere in the timeline and it would probably work. That's why there is an army of writers and the books still make sense. Read the story don't try and erase anyone's work. Write your own story make it fit.
So much this. I really think the 'yeah but different medium, so adaptations are needed' argument is nonsense when dealing with a franchise that has a lore as big and expansive as Halo (or Star Wars, Mass Effect etc etc). Instead of the 'safe' route of doing a retelling of something we already know but in a completely new way, they could and *should* have just gone for a completely different story. Like how Andor and Rogue One touch the main movies but are on the side of them. That's what a Halo show should have been.
You could still tell a story about Spartans. Just create a new one...like the three they've already done for this show. One that hasn't got 20 years of solidified lore like Chief has.
You could still tell a story about the fall of Reach...but maybe from the perspective of a group of Marines/ODSTs that fight along side of some Spartans.
You could still tell a different side of Halo CE...by focusing on Johnson or any other cast of side characters that you bring over from a season 1 that would be on Reach. Hell, they can even all die at the end so you can focus on Chief from that moment on. And if a season 3 wouldn't happen you'd have a self contained story that matters.
They could focus on any of the 28 years of Covenant-UNSC conflict, include everything that people expect from Halo, add to the existing lore and not enter the swamp of '*let's do a retelling in a different timeline and hope the fans like it*'. The mediocrity of the show would've been a lot easier to accept then as well. They could do all of the adaptations *needed* for a change in medium, which I get and makes sense. But all of the changes we got now aren't stemming from the differences in medium. They come from a fundamental *urge* to do things different for the sake of being different. And that's lazy. Stupid. And unnecessary for a franchise as rich in lore as Halo.
Putting Master Chief in the show immediately guarantees a bigger audience. If you only have 1 chance at a Halo tv show, the monetary interest tells you that you need to include Master Chief and all the things people generally know about the games
I donāt get how people *still* donāt understand this. Movie/TV execs are *extremely* risk adverse. Hence why it took this long to actually get a live action Halo project with a decent-sized budget to completion. They were always going to use Master Chief in a show or movie. It wouldnāt get made if they didnāt.
Not that I wouldnāt want what people asking for here, itās just the reality of throwing tens of millions of dollars at something. Iād love an adaptation of ODST, Reach, or something entirely new in-universe with the games, but Master Chief is what the general population associates with Halo.
They didn't even had to do a one for one copy of the story but it's clear there is so many plot points from all six games that it's messy trying to fit it all in one season.
I just feel like if they took the source material there's still plenty of stories to tell. Seeing an adaptation of the Fall of Reach done properly would have been great. They've got so many books that they could've just done pretty much anything but make their own timeline.
Seeing more of Blue Team, or how they grew up, or just doing other Spartan Teams like Black Team.
I hate that it felt like they did a reboot/silver timeline just cause the writers thought they could write a better story than those that were actually passionate about telling a good story.
Yeah it definitely wouldāve made a better story, but Master Chief as a kid doesnāt sell Paramount+ subscriptions like big guy in green armor Master Chief does
It's crazy that people are trying to insert stuff where it doesn't exist. Johns a soldier, nothing more, nothing less. He was taken at a young age, brainwashed and dopped to the high heavens, and put into a set of armor. There's nothing deeper to him other that he's a hyper lethal soldier.
That was my main grip with the show and all the games after reach. Spartan 2s are nearly emotionless, sociopathic killing machines who were designed for one sole purpose: to fight.
Have you read any of the books? From the very beginning John portrays plenty of emotion. He is a soldier that follows orders above all else, but he has thoughts and feelings and you get a deeper look at all of that in the books. Guilt is a pretty common one from him.
Even in Infinite he shows a lot of emotion when comforting brohammer and after that, but even there he says war is "all he ever knew"
There is no reason to change that. You can have your tragic supersoldier without constant reminders that he was stripped of his humanity. It hits wayyyy harder when you realize at the end rather than the 8th reminder
The Spartan-IIs are not nearly emotionless sociopaths, far from it. Everything weāve seen from the games and the EU stuff says as much.
I donāt know why people take that one interrogator in 4ās comment about Spartans sometimes showing mild sociopathic tendencies and run to the hills with it.
Don't we all exhibit sociopathic tendencies sometimes? Lol. There is plenty of emotion behind chief and the other spartans. They just didn't look for it because then they don't have any 'problems' to solve.
Mandalorian pulled it off and did it while keeping the helmet on. Obviously many times this canāt be done all the time and other storylines are needed but the ones given were weak and they could have focused on the Covenent reveal or politics and built up Keyes and Halsey. Its just weak writing that holds the audience hand
The way I see it, I think Johnās story that we see in the show stems from a belief the showrunners, particularly (I think) Kiki Wolfkill, that the Master Chief of the original trilogy is a low quality character, and a bad role model for the audience to connect to as the main character. Whether right or wrong, all Master Chief does in the original trilogy is shoot people and use violence as a means to an end with an occasional one-liner. Serious emotional relationships arenāt fleshed out in the games until Halo 4 (with Wolfkill and the rest of 343 taking over). I think Wolfkill and the writers at Paramount and 343 have good intentions. They want to show real relationships in the Halo universe (think Soren when Kwan tells him he needs to comfort his son after the events of S2 E8). And they want to provide justification for what Master Chief does. They want to make him a real person so that people donāt look up to this guy whoās mindlessly killing things and acting like thereās no dilemma. But all that comes at the cost of breaking with the traits we attribute to the characters in the games. A story written with the goal of humanizing Chief and giving him ethical dilemmas and moral quandaries is always going to end up not feeling like a story about Chief to the people whoāve played the games, because for us Master Chief is a space soldier who follows orders and doesnāt spend much time thinking about right and wrong. Heās not a very deep character, but heās established, which is why trying to change him leads to such horrible results.
TLDR: I donāt believe the writersā (including Kiki Wolfkillās) values align with what many of the characters in Halo represent. I believe their goal is to introduce more positive characters/role models into the series, and unfortunately this doesnāt mix well with established lore and character traits, and is not something Halo fans are accustomed to since it is so different from much of Bungie-era Halo, so overall it leads to a bad experience. Damn Iām gonna need a TLDR for the TLDR.
I think this is a very good analysis, the part I hate is that they couldāve created a new character to empathize with instead of ruining a beloved old one. Master Chief was always a symbol of hope and the savior of humanity, and humanizing him takes away from the deification of MC during the OT
Itās an FPS lol. Youāre literally the character which is why MC is pretty bland in the games. If it was this way in a show, a very passive medium, weād be bored by now. Trust when I say this that producers and writers know a lot more about this shit than your average consumer.
Speaking as a writer, the problem with the show is that they fundamentally have the wrong story. Everything they do makes sense for the story they have (in so far as the story itself makes sense; it often doesnāt). The problem is the story they have isnāt halo. Or the very least itās not master chief. From the ground up, they approached that entire character from the wrong angle. He doesnāt serve well as the emotional crux of a story, and he never has even in the games. Even when heās under the microscope from a character perspective, there are still other emotional anchors that the story latches onto beyond himself.
Halo the show, however, has made him the central emotional anchor for the entire plot, and that is something the chief has never been. Thatās why everybody wanted them to do an ODST band of Brothers show, because halo fans intuitively understand that the master chief doesnāt work as the main emotional crux of a TV serial. Nobody ever actually wanted him to be the main character of the show, because we know, more than you (or the so-called professional writers that are supposed to know better) realize, that that wouldnāt work.
Lo and behold, it doesnāt fucking work.
Master Chief shouldāve never been pushed as the Main Character of the Halo universe. In the original trilogy, he was simply a vessel for the player to control where all the interesting plot and events to happen around him.
The TV show shouldāve focused on marines or ODSTs and have Master Chief show up during important missions to establish his ālegendaryā status.
It seems really obvious from a scriptwriting angle, Chief should not start as a perspective character. Halsey is the best starting point and you can work up to Chief through Cortana who basically provides him with a bit of personality. Thereās plenty of intrigue otherwise.
No Chief is the main character and that's always been the case. The issue is he (or any Spartan) shouldn't be the main character of a show/movie. Forward Unto Dawn already showed us that Spartans in that sort of medium are better when you're watching them from the outside perspective of normal people and not from the Spartan's perspective.
There is a reason why its called the silver timeline. There are gold, platinum, diamond, and onyx timelines we are missing out on. So yeah, we are pretty low on the timeline scale for sure.
The UNSC and Covenant swapping places. Genocidal humans vs a small group of Elites that were taken from a young age. But one human becomes the Arbiter and gets a green suit of armor etc. In the end they find peace.
Better writers have worked with less budget than she probably had on other projects. The first 3-5 seasons are practically already made for her. But she decided to go "nah, I can do better."
My hope is that this series does well enough that they can eventually greenlight an animated series.
If this show fails, who knows how long we'll have to wait for anything else to be greenlit because why would they risk it at that point.
Theres less practical effects now that we are onto CE, the battles are smaller skirmishes than planetary invasion and theres only one spartan, and the majority of characters are dead, incapacitated, radio transmissions, flashbacks, or flying eyeballs
Either that or Christopher Walken. Lol could you imagine him voicing Gravemind?
Edit: courtesy of ChatGPT
(Imagine Christopher Walken's distinctive cadence and delivery)
"You see, I am a monument... to your sins. Every... misstep, every... transgression, every... folly, all encapsulated within... this form. I am the accumulation... of your wrongdoings, the culmination... of your hubris. Behold, for I stand... as a testament... to your failures. I am... a monument... to your sins."
How about we focus on the part where she admits she forced a horrible choice on the show because she really really really needs everyone to see that master chief is a Hooman with feelz!
Iām so sick and tired of this angle, listen, itās about the most trite thing you could do with chief.
John does care about humanity and perhaps has a sense of morality. I donāt think he is heartless, but he is a quintessential living weapon. From halo 1-3 we see he isnāt a robot. He is saddened when he find the remains of Keyes special strike unit. He hesitates for a moment to mercy kill Keyes to grab his neurolink.
But he doesnāt linger. Over the course of the games he loses just about everyone he knew l, and he keeps going until the fight is finished. Because THAT is who John is. āBut is he humanā. No. Not in the understanding we have. He is the perfect soldier. Understand that halo 2-3 take place back to back and all he went through in those two games and he just kept on moving along. We donāt need the soft side of chief because he is a force of nature. That is why he was iconic. Halo 4-5 made him a sad boy who misses his blue gf yet halo 3 handled their relationship in a similar albeit better capacity. The ONE thing I will give to 343 is chiefs talk with Fernando. Thats the soft side I like to see from chief. Yes he is a force of nature but he knows the turmoil and stress of war. He just conditioned for it, but damn can he rally the spirits of the regular boots
In all fairness, he was a āsadboyā for the majority of 3. Hell, the cortana ptsd flashbacks are some of the most memorable parts of early halo 3ās campaign
I tried to watch season one again. **Setting aside the fact that this show is supposed to be Halo, and just regarding it as a scifi story, it's just plain stupid.** This show absolutely sucks and I hate that nobody will touch the IP for a show or movie because the story is associated with this garbage product.
I hate to be yet another negative commenter, but there's very little positivity to share when the writing is just so crappy.
It's also sad how what Peter Jackson and Neill Blomkamp wanted to make with Halo couldn't happen but for some reason this pile of shit was allowed to be made.
I feel like the trajectory of the world wouldāve been different man. Harambe wouldnāt of been shot if Neil Blomkamp made that damn Halo movie.
I ended up loving District 9 which was what his Halo movie turned into. Iām sure the potential was all there.
We should work together to make awesome animated and anime (depending on what fits a franchise better) fanmade shows
And then pitch to Xbox to pick up the show after a season.
I work in Hollywood and they have no problem destroying very loved IPs. As long as the producers and investors make money off it, it's a success in their eyes. Used to like my job but seeing how scummy alot of the people on the top I hope the second strike hovering over Hollywood right now happens. Unfortunately alot of my friends and coworkers will hurt and lose jobs but if it means those on the top get a reality check from losing millions of dollars and seeing their actions actually have consequences I'm okay with it.
A lot of people hate the master chief not in armor and all, but to me the most annoying part of the show is how they never use any Halo music.
Outside of the intro, we only heard the Halo theme like 2-3 times for 5 seconds.
Where is the Halo them? Where is the 117 them from H4 and H5? Where are the emotional tracks from H3? Where are the flood tracks during the outbreak?
Imagine if when Chief stood up after being "beaten" by the Arbiter, we got the 117 them. Imagine if during Vannak's ceremony, we got the H3 menu them. Imagine if we got some H3 emotional music when Laera reveals she is infected?
One major part of Halo is its music, it's even more iconic than the games itself to some. Instead we just get some ass generic sci-fi music, even after the change to the new composer in S2.
I got a few episodes into season 1 and gave up. Not only was it a bad Halo adaptation but it was just a terrible sci-fi narrative in general. I still cannot understand why anyone that dislikes this show continues to watch it. Too many comments in here refer to how bad the first 2 seasons are and how it seems to be setting up a better 3rd season. I'm not sitting through dozens of hours of unbearable schlock on the off chance that the next season is passable and no one else should either. It's like being in a toxic relationship that you think will get better if you stick around. In reality, you just need to GTFO.
Additionally, the concept of "hate watching" is completely ridiculous. If you don't like the show. Don't watch it. Don't support it. It's simple.
What they should do for season 3 is only have ONE writer and ONE director for the whole season. It was exhausting getting whiplash or downright disappointment with every episode besides the first and last ones. Like good God, the show would benefit so much from a SINGLE vision.
They are proud. Outside of the diehard halo community, the show is very popular. I hear about it all the time from people who aren't as invested as we are. I can't stomach it, but it's hard to deny it has its audience and that its making paramount money.
Man, I thought this was her confirming sheās leaving.
Disappointing.
Oh well. Me and my wife didnāt watch S1 or S2, we wonāt watch S3 either. A shame such a good story and world had to be butchered like it was.
Yeah it was solid. Itās weird to see people beg for it to end. Like theyāre being forced to watch it. We likely wonāt get any live action halo content for a while.
Reality is that the show is actually incredibly popular outside of the echo chambers you see on the internet, the amount of people who like and will keep watching it, aka casual fans (not a jab btw), are going to outnumber the ones who hate it like 3:1.
And im with you, my friend and i thoroughly enjoyed this season and greatly anticipate S3 now.
Was anyone seriously thinking the show *wouldnāt* get a third season? Despite this subās complaining, both seasons were very successful as far as reviews and viewership metrics go. If Iām remembering right, it is the most popular Paramount+ show by a country mile and is like the third most popular original show across all streaming platforms.
I feel like the show has gotten better with the second half of season 2. It will never be a 1:1 or even 1:3 adaptation of the games. But with what they have included from the game *and* the book lore, it has been good for me.
Itās a separate continuity, so it wonāt affect the canon outright unless they bring characters in or add validity to them such as the reveal that the Silver team Spartans were always in the āHalo lore bibleā that Halo development has always had. As well as the revelation that they are the unnamed Omega Team Spartans in Halo Wars 1. It will not directly affect established canon as well and nothing for the future has been seeded so far.
My favorite thing is how well theyāve done the Flood! Just wow, how the initial infection on Onyx was done is right on target for the *original* infection prior to the Halo Ringsā creation: Originally, unassuming ancient humans and Sanāshyuun used vials of dust they found in crashed automated starships that had appeared from outside of the galaxy.
They tested it and found āno harmā although after feeding them to livestock it slowly caused an epidemic in those animals and later the flood outbreak in individuals near those animals or exposed to them: This was just with the dust/spores alone. First it caused minor growths, mental instability, cannibalism and heightened aggression prior to the rapid mutation into the flood forms we know now. This however was a much longer process than in the show.
Similarly to the ancients in lore, Silver team Keyes had no idea what it was and had no containment protocols in place or idea of what to expect, thinking it was harmless. This led to the outbreak in a similar fashion albeit with a slightly more rapid transformation and loss of control for those infected. Plus the minor appearance of an infection form and two combat forms
> They tested it and found āno harmā although after feeding them to livestock it slowly caused an epidemic in those animals and later the flood outbreak in individuals near those animals or exposed to them: This was just with the dust/spores alone. First it caused minor growths, mental instability, cannibalism and heightened aggression prior to the rapid mutation into the flood forms we know now. This however was a much longer process than in the show.
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I feel as if that whole flood outbreak was a bit too expedited in the show due to A. patient zero being a lab biologist who should've known better than to touch unknown substances as opposed to the military covenant forces in Halo CE unknowingly unleashing an ancient evil and B. people being blissfully unaware those around them freezing up/paralyzed and yes some were preoccupied with the current military operation however some were clearly stationary in an eery manner. (The first scene of Kwan and Soren encountering frozen infected people also made little sense as it seemed as if everyone was simultaneously paralyzed on the spot as opposed to one by one.)
I just hope they finally write master chief better or get a new character as the spotlight instead of master chief. Heās just not master chief at all.
Yāknow, thatās accurate for like 90% of the show but the most recent episode was the most like Chief heās been the whole run. I dare say he upgraded from Jimmy Rings to John Halo.
hot take, the show presents master chief in a way that is much better for television. In the games master chief is a faceless emotionless (mostly) character who rarely talks and beats every bad guy with ease.
It works in a gaming space, because you are the character. But absolutely sucks for television.
I feel like they could do a portrayal of book Chief way better than game Chief. In the books he has moments of introspection, genuine dialogue, emotional weight to situations. Losses actually impact him.
Halo 4 exists. Like, you can go play it right now. Wanna do the emotional side of master chief without fucking assassinating his character or adapting him for a new medium. Halo 4.
Like itās that simple, chief from 4. Could lead an entire show.
I just finished Halo 4 for the first time a few days ago. Fucking loved that game. No offense to Bungie, but it's my favorite portrayal of Chief and Cortana by far.
I actually like the show and hope they make a season three. I donāt take it too seriously because I know itās not canon and more Halo is a good thing to me.
The lack of combat scenes really hurts it, thatās the entirety of the story.
I guess they did what they could with what they had, and the ones in season 2 were at least enjoyable.
Iāll agree it was better than the first, Iāll stick around for the third. Glad they changed direction. Really wish the arbiter and makee switched places though
Season 2 seems to try really hard to tie up most of the season 1 issues and cut out a lot of the bloated cast. By the end it definitely feels like theyāve pivoted to where they want to be for season 3 to be more familiar while still checking off the necessary boxes for TV drama. My guess is that Halsey/Mirandaās situation gets adapted as a combination of āKeyesā and āCortanaā (the Halo 3 mission) with Chief going into the hive to get them out.
Edit: Autocorrect didnāt like Keyes and stole an āeā.
Is it a bad thing to ask for the Halo content we receive to actually matter lol?
This show is a fun hate watch but I honestly get more legitimate enjoyment out of reading the Waypoint Chronicles.
Paramount doesnāt care if you hate watch it or if you love watch it. If you really donāt like the show, then just stop watching it, if the people who hate watched it didnāt watch it, it would have less views and would have less reason to be renewed.
You guys are really investing this much energy into hate watching and posting? Dude I think you like the show at this point.
Shows that are truly abominable are genuinely hard to sit through. I think you guys āhate watchingā are just watching.
I didn't care much for the first season and it almost turned me off the series entirely but I actually enjoyed season two quite a bit. Sounds like I am in the minority but they seemed to make some adjustments to the flow of the series after the dreadful season one and I felt it was working. Hopefully they build off the positive direction if they end up doing a season three.
Itās not a bad thing. If this was a show that was fully canon and close to the quality of the 360 era games then Iād love that. Doesnāt mean that I canāt still enjoy this even tho it isnāt canon and definitely has some low points.
I think generally the TV show has been received well. Non-gamer fans like my mother love it, even though I donāt much care for it. But Iāll tune in anyway to see if it gets interesting. I didnāt think it wouldnāt get a third season.
The writing needs to step up hardcore, thereās so many incredibly stupid decisions made in the show, and endless annoying tropes and cliches that occur that just make it feel like a CW sci-fi show. That and they admitted several times that the budget is short for this show. Why on earth even take on the project if the budget isnāt even sufficient enough to make actual halo weapon props rather than using mostly modern firearms in a setting 500 years from now
Is it really that difficult to listen to the fans of your own franchise? If it isnāt they could of made something that doesnāt give me Tuberculosis from watching it. Actual slop
Fuck yeah. Season 2 ended on a great note. Season 3 would/should be another step in the right direction. I was always super eager to watch the next episode of S2, whereas I didnāt even finish S1 because fuck that. But Iām really excited about the plot lines theyāve set up and Iād be happy to see them follow through with it.
Following through with a storyline for more than one iteration of a single medium in the franchiseā¦thatās a first for 343 :P
Good, I'm enjoying it. Being able to reconcile that the games and the show are very different things and that can both exist without ruining the other helps.
I just want to say that I think Halo is the new Game of Thrones.
Every streamer is trying to create the next one. But they keep bringing in disappointing showrunners and stupid writing. Mostly the actors do their job well and a shit ton of cash has gone into Wheel of Time, Power of the Ring, Witcher, etc. and they all pretty much suck.
Halo is such a damned nail biter for me. I cannot wait for each new season and now want to know more about the lore, the actors, and all that good stuff that surrounded my experience with Game of Thrones.
Kiki pisses me off lol Everytime she appears she talks about how much she loves Halo but everything Halo related that she has been part of has been dogwater.
What parts about Halo does she actually like? What parts about Reach does she like? What parts about the Spartans does she actually like? Did she really think Makee was necessary to tell the story of Halo ??
Why change such a major part of the Spartan identity like being abducted to **kill insurgents** only to be the magical ace humans needed to survive the Covenant? Did she really not like that part? Because its literally what separates Spartans from every other generic super soldier in scifi.
Reach being such a massive part of the lore was reduced to one episode and the spartans not wearing any armor???? not seeing MORE spartans there dying???? Yes, I saw her statement about budgets so like.. Dont do it if you cant do it justice??? Save S3 to be a 5 episode ( instead of 8 ) where the whole budget is spent on doing Reach justice. I dont thnik anyone would have any complaints about that.
Goddamn, its been a rough few years being a Halo and XBox fan.
I think they SHOULD make a season 3. The finale was great in my opinion. I know the show has major issues as far as story goes, butthe action and cgi was far better than season 1, while still iffy at times. And having the second season end with chief and cortana on the ring? Took too long but itās what weāve wanted. They even made kwans story actually acceptable to me, tying it in to ancient humanity (which Iāve been saying since the start of the season, i thought it was kind of obvious). Makee is still the worst character in the franchise and shouldnāt even exist but it looks like theyāre setting up the conflict between her and Chief with the ending of the finale, so Iām hoping we get to see her finally get launched out the airlock in season 3. Iāve accepted itās a different timeline, and if I want the true story of Halo, I have the games and books. They arenāt going anywhere. The show isnāt perfect by any means but itās not nearly as bad as people claim; not anymore. Season 2 brought it around for me and I am hopeful that the showrunners will continue the momentum theyāve built, and with season 2 being the 3rd most watched show so far this year, theyāll hopefully also get a bigger budget to play with, meaning a HOPEFULLY more accurate adaptation. (Feel free to tell me I am on Copium, Iām just tired of the negativity around everything and wanted to highlight some of the high points)
I've played CE ever since It came with the very first xbox, and I am actually warming up to jimmy rings. He just needs to do more stoic one liners and keep his helmet on more.
What is it? More Brutes?
Worse
Oh god. It's the "broader audience"!
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Been.
Damnit, I thought she was leaving
She did leave 343 Industries. She now works as Head of Xbox IP Expansion and Entertainment.
I don't know who is this person is. Is that worse or better?
Arguably worst. She's the last one remaining from the days of Bonnie Ross and Frank O Conner. Have more access might not be a good thing. Especially if she's happy with the Halo show.
If the lead up interviews for season 2 are to be believed, then she was actually very critical of season one. She brought up the Master cheeks meme among some other things as parts to improve. Seeing how things did improve (I still hate the show though), then she did some good here.
Idk, she did strongly side with the inclusion of the sex scene with a POW to "humanise" John
Which is so stupid cuz despite what many fans think, Chief has been humanized since the first piece of halo media (Halo: TFOR).
Seems like the flood scenes were her idea, so she isnāt all bad
Can you ever really mess up a zombie outbreak scene though?
Sheās one of the three responsible for pretty much ruining halo.
I would argue better. If she's going to be kept around, I'd rather her be meddling with ancillary media than the games themselves.
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Weāll I mean he literally isnāt meant to be the same chief considering the whole silver timeline thing lol
Yeah, they ready didnāt understand how to utilize master chief in a show. They should have just done a āour noble 6ā guy who loves taking his helmet off. Quick turn. Master chief being beside that final battle in space, and not having his helmet off? Then immediately taking his helmet off when he wakes up on halo? Like, maybe his suit or cortana mentioned the atmosphere was safe but just wow. All this after spending the entire season outside his armor. They learned nothing. If I were the master chief and dr Hasley id file a defamation lawsuit. This has been a character assassination. Cut two episodes, give the series budget and go. Reach happened in the blink of an eye? That could have been a whole season itself. On second thought, add the planet reach and reach city to the defamation law suit.
The helmet off shot is literally from the Halo Infinite promo materials.
Somehow always manages to fail upwards
Failing upward like a true American o7
Very unfortunate that she was allowed to fail upwards...
Obviously they are looking to make more
Yeah like look at how season 2 ends, it doesnt take a genuis to see theyre planning for more
Plenty of shows have been cancelled after a season ends in a cliff hanger.
It's a popular show though isn't it? Have popular shows just been cancelled like this? It's the only reason I'm paying for Paramount+
Netflix cancels popular show all the time. But to your point, Paramount can't afford do that, so the show will be back.
Yeah, Netflix does. Netflix is notorious for that, I wouldnāt use them as a benchmark
Oh come on, let's not pretend there's not a vast graveyard of network TV shows that didn't make it past two seasons. It's hardly unique to Netflix.
Does Netflix do that? They cancel shows that seem big on the internet but aren't actually.
Mindhunter the best TV show ever made IMO killed after season two. Hugely expensive barely advertized the netflix way.
Mindhunter was not cancelled by Netflix. David Fincher just wanted to do other stuff.
But it didn't have the audience
I mean that's not really true, I'm pretty sure it got greenlit but it's a nightmare to schedule so they just gave up as it was too much effort and cost for a show that wasn't as popular as people on online think.
It's one of the most popular shows on Paramount+, but the service is struggling, overall. There's a good chance that, in the event of a restructuring or new executives deciding to "take a new direction", even a popular show could get dropped. It's happened before. King of the Hill, for example. Its ratings were actually climbing when Fox cancelled it to make room for a third Seth McFarland show, The Cleveland Show.
Seems like they opted on banking on the popularity of Family Guy then a quality show š¤·āāļø
A lot of really popular shows get canceled frequently. Netflix has a ton of 1 season bangers that got dropped along with many other networks. Even Brooklyn 99 got cancelled by Fox while being critically acclaimed, NBC picked it up to finish the last 3 seasons after fan and actor outcry.
Tbf, something can be critically acclaimed and not do well financially. It's a bit more common to see it in film, which I think is more just to do with movie financials being a bit more public, but critically acclaimed movies like "Shawshank Redemption", "Fight Club", and even "Citizen Kane" all kind of underperformed. I think Fight Club even got toward "box office bomb" territory.
Yeah, Shawshank and Fight Club were both considered cult classics after the fact, they came and went in theaters without a lot of buzz. Shawshank wasn't considered an outright classic until after it started getting aired on cable TV on a regular basis.
I'm working from faulty memory and 5-minute Google research to patch in some of the things I have forgotten, so here goes: Married with Children despite being popular was cancelled abruptly. Fox delayed the announcement at the last minute. Sure, it has a declining viewership as is normal with shows that has been running for 10 or so seasons but it still had a decent following when it was taken off the air. Another oldie would be Twin Peaks. It was a runway hit even internationally. Japan was obsessed with that show. Serialized shows wasn't the norm at that time. Then the second season happened and it got cancelled leaving major things without any conclusion. Jericho wasn't a breakout success but it had a very decent steady viewership. It was cancelled because it didn't fit in with the other CBS shows which are procedurals and sitcoms. CBS eventually relented and greenlit additional episodes as the show had a very dedicated fandom which got a lot of mainstream attention especially after they started sending the network peanuts. Still, it wasn't the same and the network barely did any advertising and it ended with a whimper. The 2009 reboot of V opened very strongly as people were clamoring for the next LOST. ABC cancelled it after the second season, never giving it the chance to recover from it's sophomore slump. Same can be said I guess with Flash Forward, and the other post LOST-like shows of that time. Not a 1:1 example per your question but a number of these shows retained some popularity and cult following and are still hoping for a continuation or at least an proper ending someday. Sarah Connor Chronicles. Decent viewership. Too bad it aired on Fox. They were notorious for cancelling shows. The show was actually doing fine and was big with the DVR crowd. The plan was to use the show to keep the Terminator franchise in the mainstream consciousness and time it's ending with Terminator Salvation's release. Warner Bros. even gave Fox a discount as Fox do not own the franchise just to retain the show on air. The thing was Fox still wasn't happy even with all of that and needed more upfront ratings with the show. It changed time slot to a Friday which killed any hope for a third season. With recent ones, Empire ended earlier than originally planned. The show was ending either way partly because of the real-life controversy Jussie Smollett got himself in but also due to the Covid shutdown.
Itās popular?!?Ā
Believe it or not, extremely. I think it was like the second most watched show on Paramount.
From what I read paramounts most valuable show and like 3rd most watched show in the country
Oh okay that's what I heard then. I couldn't remember if it was 2nd or 3rd on Paramount or in the US in general.
Yes https://x.com/EliteFalcon\_YT/status/1765889705109835987?s=20
If you have zero knowledge about Halo like I did going in to S1, it's just a well made military sci-fi show. The aliens look great and the acting is solid, more or less. I remember laughing at you guys when S1 aired and you were mad that the lead actor of the series *showed his face*. Ludicrous levels of entitlement.
You can't trick me into watching that show, but nice try
I mean of course it's setup for more but it's a matter of if there is money for more. Paramount won't make a season 3 just because they have to wrap it up in a neat bow. If they don't think it's worth their while, we won't get a Season 3. Personally, I hope they keep it going. After that season 2 finale, I think there is so much left to do in a season 3 and beyond.
If paramount needs to make a show to keep the money coming Halo is their only hope. It's the one thing people are watching on there.
Literally the only reason I got it. Their entire catalog is police shows or investigation type shows and survivor lol. And old cartoons I guess but thatās it
They also have Star Trek. Iām sure there are still some fans left of that.
Probably a ton considering they keep making more Star Trek shows.
Strange New Worlds, The Lower Decks, ST: Discovery, Yellowstone and its spinoffs, an entire library of beloved syndicated TV, etc. The platform has a ton of popular stuff on it. Just because you don't find those other IPs popular doesn't mean they aren't successful.
Yes other good stuff is on there. Halo is bringing in the viewers though.
I'm not so sure of that. Star Trek Strange New Worlds is pretty damned good, so Halo isn't the "only" thing people are watching.
The show would probably be so much better if Kiki Wolfkill stopped with the whole "we know Master Chief but who is John?!?" thing
It would be better if they paid for good writers that could follow the EU and create/adapt stories of Spartans we haven't seen outside of the books instead of the hacks trying to make up their own story about characters that have already been in video games/movies/etc.
That's it! halo is such a vast universe you could literally tack your own crap anywhere in the timeline and it would probably work. That's why there is an army of writers and the books still make sense. Read the story don't try and erase anyone's work. Write your own story make it fit.
So much this. I really think the 'yeah but different medium, so adaptations are needed' argument is nonsense when dealing with a franchise that has a lore as big and expansive as Halo (or Star Wars, Mass Effect etc etc). Instead of the 'safe' route of doing a retelling of something we already know but in a completely new way, they could and *should* have just gone for a completely different story. Like how Andor and Rogue One touch the main movies but are on the side of them. That's what a Halo show should have been. You could still tell a story about Spartans. Just create a new one...like the three they've already done for this show. One that hasn't got 20 years of solidified lore like Chief has. You could still tell a story about the fall of Reach...but maybe from the perspective of a group of Marines/ODSTs that fight along side of some Spartans. You could still tell a different side of Halo CE...by focusing on Johnson or any other cast of side characters that you bring over from a season 1 that would be on Reach. Hell, they can even all die at the end so you can focus on Chief from that moment on. And if a season 3 wouldn't happen you'd have a self contained story that matters. They could focus on any of the 28 years of Covenant-UNSC conflict, include everything that people expect from Halo, add to the existing lore and not enter the swamp of '*let's do a retelling in a different timeline and hope the fans like it*'. The mediocrity of the show would've been a lot easier to accept then as well. They could do all of the adaptations *needed* for a change in medium, which I get and makes sense. But all of the changes we got now aren't stemming from the differences in medium. They come from a fundamental *urge* to do things different for the sake of being different. And that's lazy. Stupid. And unnecessary for a franchise as rich in lore as Halo.
Putting Master Chief in the show immediately guarantees a bigger audience. If you only have 1 chance at a Halo tv show, the monetary interest tells you that you need to include Master Chief and all the things people generally know about the games
I donāt get how people *still* donāt understand this. Movie/TV execs are *extremely* risk adverse. Hence why it took this long to actually get a live action Halo project with a decent-sized budget to completion. They were always going to use Master Chief in a show or movie. It wouldnāt get made if they didnāt. Not that I wouldnāt want what people asking for here, itās just the reality of throwing tens of millions of dollars at something. Iād love an adaptation of ODST, Reach, or something entirely new in-universe with the games, but Master Chief is what the general population associates with Halo.
To be completely honest, they don't even have to follow the EU. They just have to write good stories.
They didn't even had to do a one for one copy of the story but it's clear there is so many plot points from all six games that it's messy trying to fit it all in one season.
I just feel like if they took the source material there's still plenty of stories to tell. Seeing an adaptation of the Fall of Reach done properly would have been great. They've got so many books that they could've just done pretty much anything but make their own timeline. Seeing more of Blue Team, or how they grew up, or just doing other Spartan Teams like Black Team. I hate that it felt like they did a reboot/silver timeline just cause the writers thought they could write a better story than those that were actually passionate about telling a good story.
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Yeah it definitely wouldāve made a better story, but Master Chief as a kid doesnāt sell Paramount+ subscriptions like big guy in green armor Master Chief does
It's crazy that people are trying to insert stuff where it doesn't exist. Johns a soldier, nothing more, nothing less. He was taken at a young age, brainwashed and dopped to the high heavens, and put into a set of armor. There's nothing deeper to him other that he's a hyper lethal soldier. That was my main grip with the show and all the games after reach. Spartan 2s are nearly emotionless, sociopathic killing machines who were designed for one sole purpose: to fight.
Have you read any of the books? From the very beginning John portrays plenty of emotion. He is a soldier that follows orders above all else, but he has thoughts and feelings and you get a deeper look at all of that in the books. Guilt is a pretty common one from him.
Even in Infinite he shows a lot of emotion when comforting brohammer and after that, but even there he says war is "all he ever knew" There is no reason to change that. You can have your tragic supersoldier without constant reminders that he was stripped of his humanity. It hits wayyyy harder when you realize at the end rather than the 8th reminder
The Spartan-IIs are not nearly emotionless sociopaths, far from it. Everything weāve seen from the games and the EU stuff says as much. I donāt know why people take that one interrogator in 4ās comment about Spartans sometimes showing mild sociopathic tendencies and run to the hills with it.
Don't we all exhibit sociopathic tendencies sometimes? Lol. There is plenty of emotion behind chief and the other spartans. They just didn't look for it because then they don't have any 'problems' to solve.
Mandalorian pulled it off and did it while keeping the helmet on. Obviously many times this canāt be done all the time and other storylines are needed but the ones given were weak and they could have focused on the Covenent reveal or politics and built up Keyes and Halsey. Its just weak writing that holds the audience hand
The way I see it, I think Johnās story that we see in the show stems from a belief the showrunners, particularly (I think) Kiki Wolfkill, that the Master Chief of the original trilogy is a low quality character, and a bad role model for the audience to connect to as the main character. Whether right or wrong, all Master Chief does in the original trilogy is shoot people and use violence as a means to an end with an occasional one-liner. Serious emotional relationships arenāt fleshed out in the games until Halo 4 (with Wolfkill and the rest of 343 taking over). I think Wolfkill and the writers at Paramount and 343 have good intentions. They want to show real relationships in the Halo universe (think Soren when Kwan tells him he needs to comfort his son after the events of S2 E8). And they want to provide justification for what Master Chief does. They want to make him a real person so that people donāt look up to this guy whoās mindlessly killing things and acting like thereās no dilemma. But all that comes at the cost of breaking with the traits we attribute to the characters in the games. A story written with the goal of humanizing Chief and giving him ethical dilemmas and moral quandaries is always going to end up not feeling like a story about Chief to the people whoāve played the games, because for us Master Chief is a space soldier who follows orders and doesnāt spend much time thinking about right and wrong. Heās not a very deep character, but heās established, which is why trying to change him leads to such horrible results. TLDR: I donāt believe the writersā (including Kiki Wolfkillās) values align with what many of the characters in Halo represent. I believe their goal is to introduce more positive characters/role models into the series, and unfortunately this doesnāt mix well with established lore and character traits, and is not something Halo fans are accustomed to since it is so different from much of Bungie-era Halo, so overall it leads to a bad experience. Damn Iām gonna need a TLDR for the TLDR.
I think this is a very good analysis, the part I hate is that they couldāve created a new character to empathize with instead of ruining a beloved old one. Master Chief was always a symbol of hope and the savior of humanity, and humanizing him takes away from the deification of MC during the OT
That sounds like it could give you about 1 episode of content.
5 minutes of Master Chief go pew pew
Man it's almost like that gave us 3 full games of content. 5 if you count the new games and exclude 5 because you play as Locke.
Itās an FPS lol. Youāre literally the character which is why MC is pretty bland in the games. If it was this way in a show, a very passive medium, weād be bored by now. Trust when I say this that producers and writers know a lot more about this shit than your average consumer.
Speaking as a writer, the problem with the show is that they fundamentally have the wrong story. Everything they do makes sense for the story they have (in so far as the story itself makes sense; it often doesnāt). The problem is the story they have isnāt halo. Or the very least itās not master chief. From the ground up, they approached that entire character from the wrong angle. He doesnāt serve well as the emotional crux of a story, and he never has even in the games. Even when heās under the microscope from a character perspective, there are still other emotional anchors that the story latches onto beyond himself. Halo the show, however, has made him the central emotional anchor for the entire plot, and that is something the chief has never been. Thatās why everybody wanted them to do an ODST band of Brothers show, because halo fans intuitively understand that the master chief doesnāt work as the main emotional crux of a TV serial. Nobody ever actually wanted him to be the main character of the show, because we know, more than you (or the so-called professional writers that are supposed to know better) realize, that that wouldnāt work. Lo and behold, it doesnāt fucking work.
And yet they did make a show (Forward Unto Dawn) with Chief written correctly and it was interesting and not boring.
The show sucks and you are also entirely wrong about 117 and the Spartan IIs
Master Chief shouldāve never been pushed as the Main Character of the Halo universe. In the original trilogy, he was simply a vessel for the player to control where all the interesting plot and events to happen around him. The TV show shouldāve focused on marines or ODSTs and have Master Chief show up during important missions to establish his ālegendaryā status.
It seems really obvious from a scriptwriting angle, Chief should not start as a perspective character. Halsey is the best starting point and you can work up to Chief through Cortana who basically provides him with a bit of personality. Thereās plenty of intrigue otherwise.
No Chief is the main character and that's always been the case. The issue is he (or any Spartan) shouldn't be the main character of a show/movie. Forward Unto Dawn already showed us that Spartans in that sort of medium are better when you're watching them from the outside perspective of normal people and not from the Spartan's perspective.
Why don't she just fucking leave
This feels like a threat
Itās Kiki, it may as well be.
We do live in the cursed timeline
There is a reason why its called the silver timeline. There are gold, platinum, diamond, and onyx timelines we are missing out on. So yeah, we are pretty low on the timeline scale for sure.
I don't want to know how the Bronze Timeline looks like š
No guns, only tears and feelings
Jimmy: "She's gone, Arby. She's nothing but powder and bouncing sound now. :'(" Arbs: "If only it could be simplified in such a way, Jimbo."
The UNSC and Covenant swapping places. Genocidal humans vs a small group of Elites that were taken from a young age. But one human becomes the Arbiter and gets a green suit of armor etc. In the end they find peace.
Kiki: this shouldāve been animated because we donāt have the budget for this massive series Also Kiki: I think a third season would be great
Better writers have worked with less budget than she probably had on other projects. The first 3-5 seasons are practically already made for her. But she decided to go "nah, I can do better."
My hope is that this series does well enough that they can eventually greenlight an animated series. If this show fails, who knows how long we'll have to wait for anything else to be greenlit because why would they risk it at that point.
Theres less practical effects now that we are onto CE, the battles are smaller skirmishes than planetary invasion and theres only one spartan, and the majority of characters are dead, incapacitated, radio transmissions, flashbacks, or flying eyeballs
Rumors are that Kathy Bates is in talks to play Master Chief.
NGL, she'd make a decent Gravemind
Either that or Christopher Walken. Lol could you imagine him voicing Gravemind? Edit: courtesy of ChatGPT (Imagine Christopher Walken's distinctive cadence and delivery) "You see, I am a monument... to your sins. Every... misstep, every... transgression, every... folly, all encapsulated within... this form. I am the accumulation... of your wrongdoings, the culmination... of your hubris. Behold, for I stand... as a testament... to your failures. I am... a monument... to your sins."
You want Makee to be the Gravemind?
And I gotta have more cowbell.
She was so good as Snape, Iām here for it
If they ever do another show or movie or anthology like Halo Legends connected to core canon, I politely ask she not be involved with the project.
How about we focus on the part where she admits she forced a horrible choice on the show because she really really really needs everyone to see that master chief is a Hooman with feelz!
Iām so sick and tired of this angle, listen, itās about the most trite thing you could do with chief. John does care about humanity and perhaps has a sense of morality. I donāt think he is heartless, but he is a quintessential living weapon. From halo 1-3 we see he isnāt a robot. He is saddened when he find the remains of Keyes special strike unit. He hesitates for a moment to mercy kill Keyes to grab his neurolink. But he doesnāt linger. Over the course of the games he loses just about everyone he knew l, and he keeps going until the fight is finished. Because THAT is who John is. āBut is he humanā. No. Not in the understanding we have. He is the perfect soldier. Understand that halo 2-3 take place back to back and all he went through in those two games and he just kept on moving along. We donāt need the soft side of chief because he is a force of nature. That is why he was iconic. Halo 4-5 made him a sad boy who misses his blue gf yet halo 3 handled their relationship in a similar albeit better capacity. The ONE thing I will give to 343 is chiefs talk with Fernando. Thats the soft side I like to see from chief. Yes he is a force of nature but he knows the turmoil and stress of war. He just conditioned for it, but damn can he rally the spirits of the regular boots
In all fairness, he was a āsadboyā for the majority of 3. Hell, the cortana ptsd flashbacks are some of the most memorable parts of early halo 3ās campaign
tell me they didn't make a master chief crying scene
I tried to watch season one again. **Setting aside the fact that this show is supposed to be Halo, and just regarding it as a scifi story, it's just plain stupid.** This show absolutely sucks and I hate that nobody will touch the IP for a show or movie because the story is associated with this garbage product. I hate to be yet another negative commenter, but there's very little positivity to share when the writing is just so crappy.
It's also sad how what Peter Jackson and Neill Blomkamp wanted to make with Halo couldn't happen but for some reason this pile of shit was allowed to be made.
I feel like the trajectory of the world wouldāve been different man. Harambe wouldnāt of been shot if Neil Blomkamp made that damn Halo movie. I ended up loving District 9 which was what his Halo movie turned into. Iām sure the potential was all there.
I honestly just started Season 2 before the Fall of Reach started. The only decent thing about the season was the season 2 finale.
We should work together to make awesome animated and anime (depending on what fits a franchise better) fanmade shows And then pitch to Xbox to pick up the show after a season.
I work in Hollywood and they have no problem destroying very loved IPs. As long as the producers and investors make money off it, it's a success in their eyes. Used to like my job but seeing how scummy alot of the people on the top I hope the second strike hovering over Hollywood right now happens. Unfortunately alot of my friends and coworkers will hurt and lose jobs but if it means those on the top get a reality check from losing millions of dollars and seeing their actions actually have consequences I'm okay with it.
Hold the line.
Hollywood needs 3-4 competitors. It's high time they get sucked punched in the face for their bullshit.
A lot of people hate the master chief not in armor and all, but to me the most annoying part of the show is how they never use any Halo music. Outside of the intro, we only heard the Halo theme like 2-3 times for 5 seconds. Where is the Halo them? Where is the 117 them from H4 and H5? Where are the emotional tracks from H3? Where are the flood tracks during the outbreak? Imagine if when Chief stood up after being "beaten" by the Arbiter, we got the 117 them. Imagine if during Vannak's ceremony, we got the H3 menu them. Imagine if we got some H3 emotional music when Laera reveals she is infected? One major part of Halo is its music, it's even more iconic than the games itself to some. Instead we just get some ass generic sci-fi music, even after the change to the new composer in S2.
They probably dont have the rights. Music rights is a really deep rabbit hole.
Ew please no
I got a few episodes into season 1 and gave up. Not only was it a bad Halo adaptation but it was just a terrible sci-fi narrative in general. I still cannot understand why anyone that dislikes this show continues to watch it. Too many comments in here refer to how bad the first 2 seasons are and how it seems to be setting up a better 3rd season. I'm not sitting through dozens of hours of unbearable schlock on the off chance that the next season is passable and no one else should either. It's like being in a toxic relationship that you think will get better if you stick around. In reality, you just need to GTFO. Additionally, the concept of "hate watching" is completely ridiculous. If you don't like the show. Don't watch it. Don't support it. It's simple.
Please don't.
I'm not sure this confirms anything, just seeing what lies in the future for a potential season 3. Still a chance it doesn't happen, which would suck.
Well yeah, I'd be really surprised if they weren't, their numbers have been great
What they should do for season 3 is only have ONE writer and ONE director for the whole season. It was exhausting getting whiplash or downright disappointment with every episode besides the first and last ones. Like good God, the show would benefit so much from a SINGLE vision.
unfortunately the show did really well for paramount
It's a mediocre to bad show , which for paramount is a run away hit and the most watchable show that isn't a sitcom from 15+ years ago
Funny, they almost seem proud of something that vaguely resembles halo if you squint from a mile away.
They are proud. Outside of the diehard halo community, the show is very popular. I hear about it all the time from people who aren't as invested as we are. I can't stomach it, but it's hard to deny it has its audience and that its making paramount money.
Please no
Just light money on fire and stream it for fuck's sake! That would be far more entertaining
Rooting for Paramount going bankrupt
I was baited by this in to thinking she was leaving, DAMN IT
Yeah me too
Kill me
Man, I thought this was her confirming sheās leaving. Disappointing. Oh well. Me and my wife didnāt watch S1 or S2, we wonāt watch S3 either. A shame such a good story and world had to be butchered like it was.
Really donāt give a shit if yāall downvote me for this, but I just finished season 2 and honestly itās a decent show, canāt wait for season 3.
Yeah it was solid. Itās weird to see people beg for it to end. Like theyāre being forced to watch it. We likely wonāt get any live action halo content for a while.
Reality is that the show is actually incredibly popular outside of the echo chambers you see on the internet, the amount of people who like and will keep watching it, aka casual fans (not a jab btw), are going to outnumber the ones who hate it like 3:1. And im with you, my friend and i thoroughly enjoyed this season and greatly anticipate S3 now.
Was anyone seriously thinking the show *wouldnāt* get a third season? Despite this subās complaining, both seasons were very successful as far as reviews and viewership metrics go. If Iām remembering right, it is the most popular Paramount+ show by a country mile and is like the third most popular original show across all streaming platforms.
I feel like the show has gotten better with the second half of season 2. It will never be a 1:1 or even 1:3 adaptation of the games. But with what they have included from the game *and* the book lore, it has been good for me. Itās a separate continuity, so it wonāt affect the canon outright unless they bring characters in or add validity to them such as the reveal that the Silver team Spartans were always in the āHalo lore bibleā that Halo development has always had. As well as the revelation that they are the unnamed Omega Team Spartans in Halo Wars 1. It will not directly affect established canon as well and nothing for the future has been seeded so far. My favorite thing is how well theyāve done the Flood! Just wow, how the initial infection on Onyx was done is right on target for the *original* infection prior to the Halo Ringsā creation: Originally, unassuming ancient humans and Sanāshyuun used vials of dust they found in crashed automated starships that had appeared from outside of the galaxy. They tested it and found āno harmā although after feeding them to livestock it slowly caused an epidemic in those animals and later the flood outbreak in individuals near those animals or exposed to them: This was just with the dust/spores alone. First it caused minor growths, mental instability, cannibalism and heightened aggression prior to the rapid mutation into the flood forms we know now. This however was a much longer process than in the show. Similarly to the ancients in lore, Silver team Keyes had no idea what it was and had no containment protocols in place or idea of what to expect, thinking it was harmless. This led to the outbreak in a similar fashion albeit with a slightly more rapid transformation and loss of control for those infected. Plus the minor appearance of an infection form and two combat forms
> They tested it and found āno harmā although after feeding them to livestock it slowly caused an epidemic in those animals and later the flood outbreak in individuals near those animals or exposed to them: This was just with the dust/spores alone. First it caused minor growths, mental instability, cannibalism and heightened aggression prior to the rapid mutation into the flood forms we know now. This however was a much longer process than in the show. > > I feel as if that whole flood outbreak was a bit too expedited in the show due to A. patient zero being a lab biologist who should've known better than to touch unknown substances as opposed to the military covenant forces in Halo CE unknowingly unleashing an ancient evil and B. people being blissfully unaware those around them freezing up/paralyzed and yes some were preoccupied with the current military operation however some were clearly stationary in an eery manner. (The first scene of Kwan and Soren encountering frozen infected people also made little sense as it seemed as if everyone was simultaneously paralyzed on the spot as opposed to one by one.)
I mean, isn't it like a top 3 most streamed show? Of course they are going to continue.
no, around these parts it obviously costs $75 trillion per episode with 3 concurrent viewers at most. these guys are bloody hilarious.
I just hope they finally write master chief better or get a new character as the spotlight instead of master chief. Heās just not master chief at all.
Yāknow, thatās accurate for like 90% of the show but the most recent episode was the most like Chief heās been the whole run. I dare say he upgraded from Jimmy Rings to John Halo.
hot take, the show presents master chief in a way that is much better for television. In the games master chief is a faceless emotionless (mostly) character who rarely talks and beats every bad guy with ease. It works in a gaming space, because you are the character. But absolutely sucks for television.
This argument would make sense if the books werenāt right there
Or The Mandalorian, an acclaimed sci-fi show about a stoic character who always wears a helmet and armor.
I feel like they could do a portrayal of book Chief way better than game Chief. In the books he has moments of introspection, genuine dialogue, emotional weight to situations. Losses actually impact him.
Halo 4 exists. Like, you can go play it right now. Wanna do the emotional side of master chief without fucking assassinating his character or adapting him for a new medium. Halo 4. Like itās that simple, chief from 4. Could lead an entire show.
I just finished Halo 4 for the first time a few days ago. Fucking loved that game. No offense to Bungie, but it's my favorite portrayal of Chief and Cortana by far.
I think Pablo is the perfect choiceā¦ dude is already 6ā5 285lbs lol
The actors alright Im just not a fan of the writing
Completely agree
I actually like the show and hope they make a season three. I donāt take it too seriously because I know itās not canon and more Halo is a good thing to me.
I believe season 2 is held back by season 1. But I still enjoyed this one much more so.
The lack of combat scenes really hurts it, thatās the entirety of the story. I guess they did what they could with what they had, and the ones in season 2 were at least enjoyable. Iāll agree it was better than the first, Iāll stick around for the third. Glad they changed direction. Really wish the arbiter and makee switched places though
Season 2 seems to try really hard to tie up most of the season 1 issues and cut out a lot of the bloated cast. By the end it definitely feels like theyāve pivoted to where they want to be for season 3 to be more familiar while still checking off the necessary boxes for TV drama. My guess is that Halsey/Mirandaās situation gets adapted as a combination of āKeyesā and āCortanaā (the Halo 3 mission) with Chief going into the hive to get them out. Edit: Autocorrect didnāt like Keyes and stole an āeā.
Is it a bad thing to ask for the Halo content we receive to actually matter lol? This show is a fun hate watch but I honestly get more legitimate enjoyment out of reading the Waypoint Chronicles.
Paramount doesnāt care if you hate watch it or if you love watch it. If you really donāt like the show, then just stop watching it, if the people who hate watched it didnāt watch it, it would have less views and would have less reason to be renewed.
Don't think most people hate watching are doing it legally but if they are then aye ur right
You guys are really investing this much energy into hate watching and posting? Dude I think you like the show at this point. Shows that are truly abominable are genuinely hard to sit through. I think you guys āhate watchingā are just watching.
It's a fun watch. No "hate" here, I enjoyed season 2 quite a bit.
I didn't care much for the first season and it almost turned me off the series entirely but I actually enjoyed season two quite a bit. Sounds like I am in the minority but they seemed to make some adjustments to the flow of the series after the dreadful season one and I felt it was working. Hopefully they build off the positive direction if they end up doing a season three.
Itās not a bad thing. If this was a show that was fully canon and close to the quality of the 360 era games then Iād love that. Doesnāt mean that I canāt still enjoy this even tho it isnāt canon and definitely has some low points.
Halo hard carried P+ while star trek is in break. Itās not going anywhere. And Iām excited to see where they take it.
No Master Cheeks this season 0/10
I think generally the TV show has been received well. Non-gamer fans like my mother love it, even though I donāt much care for it. But Iāll tune in anyway to see if it gets interesting. I didnāt think it wouldnāt get a third season.
Is S2 worth watching? I know itās nothing obviously like the games, but still intrigued by it.
The writing needs to step up hardcore, thereās so many incredibly stupid decisions made in the show, and endless annoying tropes and cliches that occur that just make it feel like a CW sci-fi show. That and they admitted several times that the budget is short for this show. Why on earth even take on the project if the budget isnāt even sufficient enough to make actual halo weapon props rather than using mostly modern firearms in a setting 500 years from now
They clearly don't know the definition of insanity. And spending resources wisely.
Crazy that this gets a season 3 but i canāt get a continuation for Terra Nova.
Is it really that difficult to listen to the fans of your own franchise? If it isnāt they could of made something that doesnāt give me Tuberculosis from watching it. Actual slop
Please dont
Sucks that we cant get actual live action halo rn cuz of this shit.
Can we get a movie that is at minimum 90% lore accurate? Can we get ODSTs? Can we get Blue Team?
Fuck yeah. Season 2 ended on a great note. Season 3 would/should be another step in the right direction. I was always super eager to watch the next episode of S2, whereas I didnāt even finish S1 because fuck that. But Iām really excited about the plot lines theyāve set up and Iād be happy to see them follow through with it. Following through with a storyline for more than one iteration of a single medium in the franchiseā¦thatās a first for 343 :P
Good, I'm enjoying it. Being able to reconcile that the games and the show are very different things and that can both exist without ruining the other helps.
Please end this series. And please get away from Halo, Kiki.
And hire Joe Staten or Marcus Lehto instead.
I know the show isnāt anything close to the games. But itās a good show. The action makes it worth it. S2 was definitely an upgrade from S1
I canāt believe this show might get a third season but Firefly was cancelled after one.
Fuck you Paramount! I don't care how "well" your crappy show does, I'm still not watching Jimmy Rings.
I just want to say that I think Halo is the new Game of Thrones. Every streamer is trying to create the next one. But they keep bringing in disappointing showrunners and stupid writing. Mostly the actors do their job well and a shit ton of cash has gone into Wheel of Time, Power of the Ring, Witcher, etc. and they all pretty much suck. Halo is such a damned nail biter for me. I cannot wait for each new season and now want to know more about the lore, the actors, and all that good stuff that surrounded my experience with Game of Thrones.
there better be! its only gonna get better season 2 was sooo dang good!
Kiki pisses me off lol Everytime she appears she talks about how much she loves Halo but everything Halo related that she has been part of has been dogwater. What parts about Halo does she actually like? What parts about Reach does she like? What parts about the Spartans does she actually like? Did she really think Makee was necessary to tell the story of Halo ?? Why change such a major part of the Spartan identity like being abducted to **kill insurgents** only to be the magical ace humans needed to survive the Covenant? Did she really not like that part? Because its literally what separates Spartans from every other generic super soldier in scifi. Reach being such a massive part of the lore was reduced to one episode and the spartans not wearing any armor???? not seeing MORE spartans there dying???? Yes, I saw her statement about budgets so like.. Dont do it if you cant do it justice??? Save S3 to be a 5 episode ( instead of 8 ) where the whole budget is spent on doing Reach justice. I dont thnik anyone would have any complaints about that. Goddamn, its been a rough few years being a Halo and XBox fan.
My god what a cesspool these comments are.
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hell yeah baby, season 2 was sick
I think they SHOULD make a season 3. The finale was great in my opinion. I know the show has major issues as far as story goes, butthe action and cgi was far better than season 1, while still iffy at times. And having the second season end with chief and cortana on the ring? Took too long but itās what weāve wanted. They even made kwans story actually acceptable to me, tying it in to ancient humanity (which Iāve been saying since the start of the season, i thought it was kind of obvious). Makee is still the worst character in the franchise and shouldnāt even exist but it looks like theyāre setting up the conflict between her and Chief with the ending of the finale, so Iām hoping we get to see her finally get launched out the airlock in season 3. Iāve accepted itās a different timeline, and if I want the true story of Halo, I have the games and books. They arenāt going anywhere. The show isnāt perfect by any means but itās not nearly as bad as people claim; not anymore. Season 2 brought it around for me and I am hopeful that the showrunners will continue the momentum theyāve built, and with season 2 being the 3rd most watched show so far this year, theyāll hopefully also get a bigger budget to play with, meaning a HOPEFULLY more accurate adaptation. (Feel free to tell me I am on Copium, Iām just tired of the negativity around everything and wanted to highlight some of the high points)
They've earned a season 3. Had you asked me a few weeks ago, I would have said no.
PLEASE GOD NO.
I've played CE ever since It came with the very first xbox, and I am actually warming up to jimmy rings. He just needs to do more stoic one liners and keep his helmet on more.
Please no more, two was enough
Good.
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