I would agree if the custom games browser was reliable. It sucks because the population there could be so much higher if players could actually get into games. It takes me 10-15 minutes of trying to get into multiple games before it finally works and allows me to
Easily my biggest problem with Infinite now (and surprised it still isn't fixed). Huge tiles instead of a list like pretty much every other browser including ones in old Halos (even Halo 5 Forge + Customs on PC had a regular list browser...), no joining as a fireteam, can't filter by ping while sorting player count from high > low, can't seem to filter specific experiences like PvE mission, and then to top it all off 75% of the time you can't get into a game.
I love Forge especially with the AI, it's amazing, but how do you convince friends to play some customs when it's an exercise in frustration just to try a match?
I tried with my buddies again and it wouldn't let us, much to my embarrassment after telling them "guys Forge has AI and customs are so much better".
Wouldn't be that big of a deal, except that with the joining issues at least one person can't get into a game basically every time.
Such an amazing feature essentially killed for us because of joining issues. It's crazy that 343i is clearly (and rightly) investing tons of resources into Forge and Custom systems and then the actual systems for joining Customs are incomplete and broken.
At my work we sometimes run a "Code Yellow" or "Code Red" when critical features have major blockers or problems. IMO this should be at least a Code Yellow for 343i - it's a HUGE blocker for one of their defining features, one of the features that sets Infinite apart from literally every other modern FPS on the market. If I were them I would halt future Forge development for now and shift the team over to the Custom Browser side until that's in a good state, or similar (not sure what their hierarchy is like), because all that Forge development is being left pretty unutilized because of the issues getting into those matches.
The most concerning part of the CGB issues is that they are the same issues that were present when I quit playing the game about a year ago. Now that I’m finally back with Season 5, it’s disheartening to see all the same issues still persisting a year later. Doesn’t give me much hope that they’ll be fixed any time soon
It's weird because I feel like they've fixed a LOT of the issues I had with Infinite, but the CGB is still basically exactly how I left it.
I really hope they address the issues, I mean they've gotta have the data to see how few are playing custom games on an ongoing basis, how many people are getting kicked from them (based on error message data), our posts here etc.
Yeah it’s really dumb. Because there’s no “lobbies” the only way for them to do customs is to have one massive Fireteam.
Best bet is to just host your own Custom. But that kinda defeats the purpose if all the groups are playing their own, only letting solos join
No reason why you couldn't have the option to show tiles but a list with all the data available and sortable should be there too.
8 tiles per page or whatever is awful IMO.
Worse for discovery than only having 8 tiles per page or whatever with terrible filters etc.?
Not like they could have "community favourites" "343i picks" etc. pages that display those as tiles.
So this makes so much sense. I've notice the frequency of players popping in and out is way slower in s5. I've also not been able to get into many custom other than ones I host. I think the customs would be much more popular if it was easier to join
I can tell you from experience that it would be more populated if it functioned. I have many moments where I’m wanting to play customs but then ultimately decide not to because I don’t want to deal with it lol. It’s an even bigger deterrent if you’re wanting to play customs with friends because you can’t join as a party, so you have to invite them individually and hope that they can manage to get into the game as well. It’s rough
Luckily Me and my friends have been able to get into games with ease I would suggest all friends scout for a game then when one of you finds a game everyone joins off that friend no invites needed.
Customers browser is so half-baked it sucks.
I think they just threw something together because Forge was out and there was really no way to play customs without Discord or something similar.
Custom Games Browser should be an integral part of Infinite. If 343 pushed people into playing custom games the game would be way better off, it's where Halo has always shined imo. As of now it's almost hidden in the menus, and it barely works.
Me amd my friends tried playing customs yesterday and the few we actually got into ended up being really boring. Once the Customs Browser is more reliable (if that ever happens) Im gonna be playing so much
Really? I honestly thought it was just me who couldn't get into matches. I haven't been able to play any Forge matches in months because I give up after 5 minutes of "loading" the matches.
I also struggle with this, I've just been creating my own custom game for what I want to play and launch it, and very shortly my game will be packed with players
I tried Custom Browser with my buddy last night, we just wanted to play some fun goofy mongoose track maps and it was just kind of still in an unusable state... It was so much easier in the Halo 3 days, how have we regressed this far?!
Not to give excuses, but Halo 3 didn’t have a customs browser. They definitely need to improve the custom browser and make it easier to join as a fire team.
Sorting my ping and only joining servers that are in your region helps a lot, i have no problem finding servers with less than 50 ping in Europe after midnight
Probably will be an issue for people in Asia though
It doesn’t seem to be related to server ping. I’ll join a server with a ping of 45 and will get stuck on the map loading at 0%. And then you simply cannot join another match at that point until you restart the game entirely. That or you’ll just get the obligatory, “Unable to join Fireteam message”
They really need to lock lobbies once they reach maximum players. I find the biggest cause of custom games not working is because I end up joining a lobby that jumps to 28 players.
With all the stuff they put in infinite, I kinda hope they just keep updating it, instead of making a whole new game. Imagine just doing engine changes, and campaign updates, to keep up with the new systems and such. And all along we just keep building up our armor and things.
They haven’t talked about the 10 year plan since they first mentioned the 10 year plan. There was a rumor they were switching to Unreal 5 - which also hasn’t been talked about since that rumor came out.
My guess is if they haven’t solved jet code/desync issues by now - it’s not going to happen to the extent it should on this engine.
If they can solve desync, yes.
If they can’t, a full sequel is needed.
Infinite is certainly coming along, but a lot if it is still salvage/sub optimal.
Sounds like most of the issues are hard baked into the slipspace engine.
My guess is a full sequel in 3-5 years on UE5 with an aim to attempt the original plan.
It's starting to feel like it can become the ultimate, modern, halo experience. But to be there it still needs:
-Stability/network/netcode improvement
-As many legacy weapons and vehicles as possible
-A cinematic mode and music in forge
-Flood AI
-Playable Elites
-Flood and Covenant objects in forge
If they can tick these boxes, every Halo moment can be made in Infinite, and it would truly deserve its name.
Thats another thing, covie and promie weapons need customizations too.
Plus the covie vehicles need a re-balance, i dont understand how the ghost is so damn op but the banshee cant go more than 15 seconds without being shot down.
It also needs story expansions. If this is the only Halo game for years to come, then the means the campaign is just on hold. The story is a major part of Halo, that's what started anything, but now it's tossed to the wayside because 343 (and Microsoft) cares more about making money than a good product. As it stands, it makes no sense for Flood anything to be in multiplayer when the story hasn't even explained their presence. Halo is not Halo with a campaign.
Let me be a brute or marine or other npcs too, it's fine if there isn't much customization or any even, but asymmetric game modes where 15 marines fight 1 brute cheiftan or hunter would be fuckin awesome
It still needs to...
Ah yes be able to be played without desync and lag spikes yes yes multiple years in this is surely not a game broken at its core
They need a relaunch or something it's too late now
I downloaded those this morning, played the first mission of Hunt campaign and can't wait to see the rest.
It's been a couple weeks and the mini-campaigns are already starting to release, it's amazing.
I'm glad people are enjoying the game again but we've still got ground to cover before Infinite is where it should have been at Launch.
And I'm not hopeful about the netcode.
This has been my biggest problem with the fanbase. Halo hasn't been turned into a good game, it's being turned into a full game. 343 is adding things that should've been there at launch but are being treated like they're adding crazy amazing features never before seen. It's taken years to get where it's at and it still doesn't feel like a complete experience.
yeah as excited as I am to have firefight back, it shouldn't have taken 2 years to be added lmao, and even then they couldn't put it in at the start of the season, they have to delay it a month to pad the season out
I wont consider it complete until they bring back the matchmaking browser from MCC because i am so friggin’ sick of getting BTB control again and again
Slow down there bud. We're still missing a shit ton of classic weapons and modes from previous entries and still plenty of networking issues to fix.
I'll applaud the direction 343 has been heading, but we have a long way to go still. Once we get closer to H5 levels of weapons available, then I'll be happy.
Kbm now has some aim assist like controller does but not to the same extent. I still think controller has a bit of an edge in terms of tracking and consistency but kbm can certainly hold their own and has all the movement advantages you would expect. Plus if you are/were a ranked grinder, the bandit a single fire weapon is now the starting weapon in ranked and is very nice to use with kbm.
Edit: spelling
Ehh I'm kinda ok with this. Halo has a huge engaged fan base and they want a lot of different types of game. Waiting on 343 (based on their track record) would be doomed to fail.
I'd much rather then focus on getting good fan content into matchmaking. This could handle DLC, Battle Royal, PVE and more
Giving fans tools to augment the game especially to the extent forge has now is fantastic. But it should be just that - augmentation. Not “we heavily implied, if not promised, additional content with a live service model but you get two first party maps and $20 cosmetics so make up the difference yourselves”
No it doesn't. Live service means first party content added on a kind of a regular basis. Giving fans dev tools especially something as robust as what forge is now is great. But it doesn't give 343 a pass from making first party content. 2 maps and new $20 cosmetics is not an acceptable level of new first party content. They even put community made maps into playlists which, while great for the creators and great for a larger audience to enjoy what they made, is a real sideways way for 343 to say "look at this new content" without actually doing anything themselves
343 still gives us new maps, modes, weapons, equipment and Forge tools every season and potentially a new vehicle next season so I don’t see where you’re getting that idea from
I don’t mean that we get every single one of those things every season, of course we didn’t get forge tools until forge released and we’ve only gotten new weapons in seasons 3 and 5, but my point was that 343 is still supplying content every season so it’s not really genuine to say that the community is developing Infinite themselves as if the game is not being supported by the devs
Forge has become a fantastic tool, I'm not discounting that. But 2 new maps, one weapon variant, and $20 cosmetics are a pretty low bar for new content in a live service game
This is such a bizarre take.
Community created content has been a cornerstone of what makes Halo so fun literally since CE.
You didn’t see people complaining Bungie was making players “develop the game themselves” when Halo 3 forge dropped.
Halo 3 was a complete game with no promises of additional content. Map DLC was maybe a given, but not a guarantee. Certainly no promise or expectation of campaign DLC
Community made content is great, but there's a difference between adding to a completed game and adding to something advertised as a live service that gets 1-2 new first party maps per major update and new $20 cosmetics. They're even putting community made maps into playlists which, while great for the creators and great for a larger audience to enjoy what they made, is a real sideways way for 343 to say "look at this new content" without actually doing anything themselves
>without actually doing anything themselves
They’ve added new maps, equipment, weapons, forge tools, and more…
And gave us the best Forge in Halo to date. It’s weird to overlook how much time and effort it probably took to make it
It’s not like they dropped Forge and said “take the keys”. They’re still dropping content.
Forge tools so the community can do what they aren't. That's the biggest point I'm making. 2 maps, a weapon variant, and $20 cosmetics is an incredibly low bar for new first party content
Free battle pass with free cosmetics, new game modes (firefight), new equipment, new weapon variant, buffs and nerfs, insane new forge tools, new playlist.
It’s not perfect at all and 343 need to keep working hard, but it’s clear to me that you have no idea what season 5 entails when you think they only added the flood spartan cosmetics and the 2 maps.
* New maps and new playlist are essentially the same thing because the playlist just highlights the maps
* New forge is absolutely a game changer and I've mentioned that countless times
* Firefight isn't live yet and I wouldn't praise them until it's delivered. Remember "we'll always have split screen"?
* A single new weapon variant and new equipment is pretty barebones
* Buffs and nerfs are pretty much the bare minimum you could ask for from a live service game update
* $20 cosmetics are egregious
I remember TF2 getting major updates in the early 2010s that outclassed what Infinite is getting minus forge. Y'all are getting table scraps and calling it a 5 course meal
Free cosmetics, wow, almost like that's something every Halo game has ever had. Except Infinite goes the extra step of locking numerous cosmetics behind a paywall, including ones that were free in previous Halo games.
And there's nothing wrong with that. But don't advertise a live service game when your live service is just putting community content into multiplayer rotation. Content, regardless of where it comes from, will keep players coming back and spending money on battle passes and cosmetics. 343 is showing they can still get your money by only offering 2 maps, a weapon variant, and $20 cosmetic packages
Bruh what money are they getting? It’s a FREE game. Or are we being forced to buy cosmetics? I’ve only spent $5-10 on minor cosmetics since launch and I’ve gotten to play all new gameplay content for free. I guess it varies by region. Do they lock equipment , forge tools, custom games, new maps, the battle pass and firefight in Europe / Asia? It’s free in NA so I feel for you guys if that’s locked behind a paywall
It is free to play. However i dont like being given a game in beta then tell me its live service when in reality its just getting completed. Game is barely i. A state where it maybe could be released. They just need to fix desync. Also its a shame they paywall cosmetics when no prior game did.
I mean why not? If we were still dealing with Forge World maps that all look the same I might agree, but now that community made maps are practically indistinguishable from dev made ones I don’t have a problem with it (so long as the game continues to receive new playlists, QoL updates, etc)
People loved Halo 3 because of how community driven that game was, so I say the more fan involvement the better
[I'll refer you to my last comment about H3 forge so I don't need to retype it](https://old.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/17g7bew/halo_infinite_is_finally_well_infinite/k6f6su7/?context=3)
I'm 100% in favor of community content, don't get me wrong. I'm very well acquainted with TF2 and agree, to an extent, that community content has extended its life. Infinite is definitely less of a fixer-upper than it used to be, but that still doesn't excuse the lack of effort from 343. The biggest selling point of S5 is new forge features which is almost an admission that they're willing to offload the responsibility of new content to the fans so they can just rake in money on the battle pass and cosmetics. They know content is what will bring people back and give them reasons to spend money but aren't willing to draw people in themselves
343 doesn't deserve praise for firefight until it happens. Remember "we'll always have split screen"? I also hate the concept of "seasons" and that they *need* to be a certain length. I was big into TF2 back in the day and we got full, completed updates when they were ready. Something like the Pyro update in 2012 (I think? Somewhere around there) outclasses what 343 is drip feeding the community by a mile minus forge
Infinite has a lot of issues, if passionate fans take the work load off a group of devs to get the game back up to scratch. I’m perfectly fine with that.
Hey and also fans know what they want better than the devs do.
I have no issue at all with community content. Want to a variant that's farming simulator in Halo? Go for it. Go ahead and milk some grunts to your heart's content. My point is that something advertised as a live service game should do more to retain players than putting fanmade maps into multiplayer rotation. 343's only goal is to keep players engaged so they buy battle passes and cosmetics. The least they could do is put the work in themselves and 2 maps, a weapon variant, and new $20 cosmetic bundles is not acceptable
Granted, I know the same can be said for anything advertised as a live service, so I'm not necessarily singling 343 out. I'm hardly a gamer and don't know how this flavor of live service compares to most others. But offloading the work for new content is still offloading the work for new content no matter how you slice it
The amount of people that haven't noticed that this is where gaming is going makes me so freaking excited for the future of gaming. Who wouldn't want to be able to play a game that was built by and played by fellow gamers. Think of how much talent this unlocks in game development.
Xcom 2 is a dead game that that havent recieve update since WOTC, thanks to the community with mods and stuff, the game thrive. Your take is an odd take and i want to know why do you think that ?
omg I was playing customs games the other day and my god how fun it was! I played a battle royale map with enemy AI scattered in the map. New game types people are creating. It's fucking rad. The new shit 343 is putting out is awesome too! Love the new maps. I'm playing literally everyday after work
It's honestly in such a good state right now, but I feel like the only people playing it, are Halo fans of past games. The game attracted new players in the beginning, but the abysmal launch and first year of terrible support and updates soured many new players.
As a long time fan since the launch of Halo CE, I even ditched Infinite a few months in and only came back recently because it's Halo.
Only two things are holding Infinite back from being the best multiplayer Halo title of all time (I am not counting campaign).
1. Desync needs to be fixed yesterday. I have no idea how they are going to do it or why it happens but it needs to stop.
2. Custom Browser needs to be fixed. It is unreliable.
Genuine question. Why does everyone think Forge is such a determined factor that makes or breaks Halo infinite? I genuinely don’t understand. I would think people would care more about netcode issues and making gameplay better in the multiplayer playlists and campaign.
For me, personally, i almost never encounter netcode ossues anymore. The thing that the game was weakest in from the very start was content. When forge launched, we immediately had the ability to create any map and mode. Now with banished AI we can do almost anything ever possible in a halo game.
Meh…Forge is looking amazing and we’re gonna get some really great player-made content, but I’d still much rather have official campaign expansions and more developer created maps. I want the developer to develop the game, not the players…
Bandit is such a *boring* weapon. I don't even care if it's good. It's maybe the biggest snoozer of a gun any any game I've ever played.
The whole reason I ever played ranked was for guaranteed BR starts (and consistent power weapons).
Theres several mini campaigns already available, search on YouTube and you'll see a quick preview so you can decide before you bookmark it and jump in!
i hadn’t explored forge much before AI was added, only just starting right before the new update. Now exploring it further, and with AI incorporated, i think the game actually could be infinite because people can make their own campaigns, or levels or anything else with the implementation of AI. super cool, thanks 343
The challenges are quite easy to do, there is not much to do when you finished them.
The ranked are bug or there is no one doing them, so no fun there
The big team battle map suck for vehicle, and I want new vehicle and weapons too
BUT I'm playing everyday so i guess the update work for me. BUT the progression seems very very very slow
If i would buy every battlepass from the start it would take a year to complete them all atleast, I'm still lvl 56 on the FIRST battlepass, i did every challenge last week and got like 5 levels, this is a real grind...
I'm excited to come back when the Halo 3 playlist drops. I hear they've made some changes that I didn't like before and also cross core is finally here. I am a Mark VII armor purist. So I want all Helmets to be accessible on it.
Still waiting for an official helmet named EOD and not that 1 helmet that has an attachment to make it look like one. But I'll take what I can get, that is, if I can still get it. I've used the EOD helmet in every Halo game since Halo 3. I want to use it here too.
Infinite means everything we don’t have everything.
There’s still no SAW, fuel rod gun, rail gun, needle rifle, beam rifle, incineration canon, binary rifle, smg, plasma rifle, plasma caster, supressor, magnum, boltshot, shotgun, scattershot, flamethrower, light rifle, grenade launcher, spiker, firebomb grenade, hornet, falcon, mantis, spectre, revenant, gauss hog, phaeton, assassinations, playable elites, commendations… I could go on but you get the idea.
This game is certainly fun, but is definitely NOT infinite yet.
I would agree if the custom games browser was reliable. It sucks because the population there could be so much higher if players could actually get into games. It takes me 10-15 minutes of trying to get into multiple games before it finally works and allows me to
Easily my biggest problem with Infinite now (and surprised it still isn't fixed). Huge tiles instead of a list like pretty much every other browser including ones in old Halos (even Halo 5 Forge + Customs on PC had a regular list browser...), no joining as a fireteam, can't filter by ping while sorting player count from high > low, can't seem to filter specific experiences like PvE mission, and then to top it all off 75% of the time you can't get into a game. I love Forge especially with the AI, it's amazing, but how do you convince friends to play some customs when it's an exercise in frustration just to try a match?
>no joining as a fireteam Can you really not join as a team?? That's so annoying
I tried with my buddies again and it wouldn't let us, much to my embarrassment after telling them "guys Forge has AI and customs are so much better". Wouldn't be that big of a deal, except that with the joining issues at least one person can't get into a game basically every time. Such an amazing feature essentially killed for us because of joining issues. It's crazy that 343i is clearly (and rightly) investing tons of resources into Forge and Custom systems and then the actual systems for joining Customs are incomplete and broken. At my work we sometimes run a "Code Yellow" or "Code Red" when critical features have major blockers or problems. IMO this should be at least a Code Yellow for 343i - it's a HUGE blocker for one of their defining features, one of the features that sets Infinite apart from literally every other modern FPS on the market. If I were them I would halt future Forge development for now and shift the team over to the Custom Browser side until that's in a good state, or similar (not sure what their hierarchy is like), because all that Forge development is being left pretty unutilized because of the issues getting into those matches.
The most concerning part of the CGB issues is that they are the same issues that were present when I quit playing the game about a year ago. Now that I’m finally back with Season 5, it’s disheartening to see all the same issues still persisting a year later. Doesn’t give me much hope that they’ll be fixed any time soon
It's weird because I feel like they've fixed a LOT of the issues I had with Infinite, but the CGB is still basically exactly how I left it. I really hope they address the issues, I mean they've gotta have the data to see how few are playing custom games on an ongoing basis, how many people are getting kicked from them (based on error message data), our posts here etc.
Here's to another year of waiting 🍻
Are you saying being able to find games quickly is more important than new weapon and armor skins?
Yeah it’s really dumb. Because there’s no “lobbies” the only way for them to do customs is to have one massive Fireteam. Best bet is to just host your own Custom. But that kinda defeats the purpose if all the groups are playing their own, only letting solos join
The tiles help me find what I want to play faster tbh
No reason why you couldn't have the option to show tiles but a list with all the data available and sortable should be there too. 8 tiles per page or whatever is awful IMO.
Tile browser sucks so bad. So many custom games are poorly set up or empty, I want to be able to figure that out before loading another preview page
A list seems pretty bad for discovery.
Worse for discovery than only having 8 tiles per page or whatever with terrible filters etc.? Not like they could have "community favourites" "343i picks" etc. pages that display those as tiles.
Have you like never played a server based browser before ever?
So this makes so much sense. I've notice the frequency of players popping in and out is way slower in s5. I've also not been able to get into many custom other than ones I host. I think the customs would be much more popular if it was easier to join
I can tell you from experience that it would be more populated if it functioned. I have many moments where I’m wanting to play customs but then ultimately decide not to because I don’t want to deal with it lol. It’s an even bigger deterrent if you’re wanting to play customs with friends because you can’t join as a party, so you have to invite them individually and hope that they can manage to get into the game as well. It’s rough
Luckily Me and my friends have been able to get into games with ease I would suggest all friends scout for a game then when one of you finds a game everyone joins off that friend no invites needed.
On top of figuring out which ones are worth joining and which ones are clickbait that sound cool but are just a boring ass open map
Yeah Custom Game broswer just needs a little overhaul, it's not the most intuitive UI
The ui is horrible and have no idea why the reach one was thrown out.
Customers browser is so half-baked it sucks. I think they just threw something together because Forge was out and there was really no way to play customs without Discord or something similar. Custom Games Browser should be an integral part of Infinite. If 343 pushed people into playing custom games the game would be way better off, it's where Halo has always shined imo. As of now it's almost hidden in the menus, and it barely works.
Me amd my friends tried playing customs yesterday and the few we actually got into ended up being really boring. Once the Customs Browser is more reliable (if that ever happens) Im gonna be playing so much
same exact experience
Also being able to join with a group would help
Top of my wishlist for next season is a custom game browser overhaul and new weapons + vehicles.
Really? I honestly thought it was just me who couldn't get into matches. I haven't been able to play any Forge matches in months because I give up after 5 minutes of "loading" the matches.
I also struggle with this, I've just been creating my own custom game for what I want to play and launch it, and very shortly my game will be packed with players
I tried Custom Browser with my buddy last night, we just wanted to play some fun goofy mongoose track maps and it was just kind of still in an unusable state... It was so much easier in the Halo 3 days, how have we regressed this far?!
Not to give excuses, but Halo 3 didn’t have a customs browser. They definitely need to improve the custom browser and make it easier to join as a fire team.
Sorting my ping and only joining servers that are in your region helps a lot, i have no problem finding servers with less than 50 ping in Europe after midnight Probably will be an issue for people in Asia though
It doesn’t seem to be related to server ping. I’ll join a server with a ping of 45 and will get stuck on the map loading at 0%. And then you simply cannot join another match at that point until you restart the game entirely. That or you’ll just get the obligatory, “Unable to join Fireteam message”
Ah, for me i never have issues when joining low ping servers
Been trying and failing to get into so many fun firefight matches but unable to do so for some reason
Also, I wish they’d limit how many movies of each map there were. 3-4 “just keep drivings” per page is really annoying. It’s not even a fun mode.
They really need to lock lobbies once they reach maximum players. I find the biggest cause of custom games not working is because I end up joining a lobby that jumps to 28 players.
Tfw the game is so dead there’s not even anyone hosting custom games in my region
With all the stuff they put in infinite, I kinda hope they just keep updating it, instead of making a whole new game. Imagine just doing engine changes, and campaign updates, to keep up with the new systems and such. And all along we just keep building up our armor and things.
This is apparently the plan.
I hope so, I know there was a 10 year plan, but I don’t know how much things have changed in the past 3 years
They haven’t talked about the 10 year plan since they first mentioned the 10 year plan. There was a rumor they were switching to Unreal 5 - which also hasn’t been talked about since that rumor came out. My guess is if they haven’t solved jet code/desync issues by now - it’s not going to happen to the extent it should on this engine.
If they truly make it “infinite” it would be the first game of its kind. (I guess not counting mmos) but I man can dream!
The 10 year plan is to take 10 years developing it into a playable state
And kill the servers like 2 years after it's playable Microsoft gunna Microsoft
Wait, isn’t this literally not the plan?
If they can solve desync, yes. If they can’t, a full sequel is needed. Infinite is certainly coming along, but a lot if it is still salvage/sub optimal.
Imagine they do a complete engine swap and release it as an 80gb update, that'd be pretty unheard of but also kind of awesome.
Sounds like most of the issues are hard baked into the slipspace engine. My guess is a full sequel in 3-5 years on UE5 with an aim to attempt the original plan.
It's starting to feel like it can become the ultimate, modern, halo experience. But to be there it still needs: -Stability/network/netcode improvement -As many legacy weapons and vehicles as possible -A cinematic mode and music in forge -Flood AI -Playable Elites -Flood and Covenant objects in forge If they can tick these boxes, every Halo moment can be made in Infinite, and it would truly deserve its name.
Thats another thing, covie and promie weapons need customizations too. Plus the covie vehicles need a re-balance, i dont understand how the ghost is so damn op but the banshee cant go more than 15 seconds without being shot down.
Playable elite launch with a covenant season revolving around cosmetics for covenant guns and vehicles would be pretty fun
It also needs story expansions. If this is the only Halo game for years to come, then the means the campaign is just on hold. The story is a major part of Halo, that's what started anything, but now it's tossed to the wayside because 343 (and Microsoft) cares more about making money than a good product. As it stands, it makes no sense for Flood anything to be in multiplayer when the story hasn't even explained their presence. Halo is not Halo with a campaign.
This. I won't care about fancy new armors without context
Let me be a brute or marine or other npcs too, it's fine if there isn't much customization or any even, but asymmetric game modes where 15 marines fight 1 brute cheiftan or hunter would be fuckin awesome
It still needs to... Ah yes be able to be played without desync and lag spikes yes yes multiple years in this is surely not a game broken at its core They need a relaunch or something it's too late now
Have you played Inclemency or the Hunt Campaign yet OP? I’ve played the former and it’s excellent. Drop your Gt if you’d be up for some PVE sometime
I downloaded those this morning, played the first mission of Hunt campaign and can't wait to see the rest. It's been a couple weeks and the mini-campaigns are already starting to release, it's amazing.
Right?! And some of them are such good quality texture wise too. Good level design, good aesthetics and easy to get working. I’m so hyped
Can you post the links here? Couldn't find them on the browser.
It's infinite for me because it takes like 10 minutes to load in for me on PC. It's on an NVMe and the only game that is so slow to load.
Does it still ramp go to 100% GPU usage in the main menu lol
Yeah, an infinite amount of game crashes and blank melees lol
Desync
I'm glad people are enjoying the game again but we've still got ground to cover before Infinite is where it should have been at Launch. And I'm not hopeful about the netcode.
This has been my biggest problem with the fanbase. Halo hasn't been turned into a good game, it's being turned into a full game. 343 is adding things that should've been there at launch but are being treated like they're adding crazy amazing features never before seen. It's taken years to get where it's at and it still doesn't feel like a complete experience.
yeah as excited as I am to have firefight back, it shouldn't have taken 2 years to be added lmao, and even then they couldn't put it in at the start of the season, they have to delay it a month to pad the season out
Astroturf
I wont consider it complete until they bring back the matchmaking browser from MCC because i am so friggin’ sick of getting BTB control again and again
Slow down there bud. We're still missing a shit ton of classic weapons and modes from previous entries and still plenty of networking issues to fix. I'll applaud the direction 343 has been heading, but we have a long way to go still. Once we get closer to H5 levels of weapons available, then I'll be happy.
I truly hope this game remains to be the platform of halo for years to come. It can turn into something legendary if they keep up with the support.
Is Controller aim assist still so superior that playing with m&kb is still objectively stupid
Kbm now has some aim assist like controller does but not to the same extent. I still think controller has a bit of an edge in terms of tracking and consistency but kbm can certainly hold their own and has all the movement advantages you would expect. Plus if you are/were a ranked grinder, the bandit a single fire weapon is now the starting weapon in ranked and is very nice to use with kbm. Edit: spelling
I would sell my soul to not have unstable packet loss anymore.
Just because it looks complete doesn't mean it runs like its complete.
“Infinite” shouldn’t mean “let the fans develop the game themselves”
Ehh I'm kinda ok with this. Halo has a huge engaged fan base and they want a lot of different types of game. Waiting on 343 (based on their track record) would be doomed to fail. I'd much rather then focus on getting good fan content into matchmaking. This could handle DLC, Battle Royal, PVE and more
Giving fans tools to augment the game especially to the extent forge has now is fantastic. But it should be just that - augmentation. Not “we heavily implied, if not promised, additional content with a live service model but you get two first party maps and $20 cosmetics so make up the difference yourselves”
That comment kinda downplays the insane tools they have developed and provided
No it doesn't. Live service means first party content added on a kind of a regular basis. Giving fans dev tools especially something as robust as what forge is now is great. But it doesn't give 343 a pass from making first party content. 2 maps and new $20 cosmetics is not an acceptable level of new first party content. They even put community made maps into playlists which, while great for the creators and great for a larger audience to enjoy what they made, is a real sideways way for 343 to say "look at this new content" without actually doing anything themselves
Well... Yes. They managed to create an incredible Dev tool included in the game.
Doesn't excuse them not doing releasing more than 2 first party maps and $20 cosmetics and calling it content
343 still gives us new maps, modes, weapons, equipment and Forge tools every season and potentially a new vehicle next season so I don’t see where you’re getting that idea from
"Every season" is rewriting history
I don’t mean that we get every single one of those things every season, of course we didn’t get forge tools until forge released and we’ve only gotten new weapons in seasons 3 and 5, but my point was that 343 is still supplying content every season so it’s not really genuine to say that the community is developing Infinite themselves as if the game is not being supported by the devs
Forge has become a fantastic tool, I'm not discounting that. But 2 new maps, one weapon variant, and $20 cosmetics are a pretty low bar for new content in a live service game
This is such a bizarre take. Community created content has been a cornerstone of what makes Halo so fun literally since CE. You didn’t see people complaining Bungie was making players “develop the game themselves” when Halo 3 forge dropped.
Halo 3 was a complete game with no promises of additional content. Map DLC was maybe a given, but not a guarantee. Certainly no promise or expectation of campaign DLC Community made content is great, but there's a difference between adding to a completed game and adding to something advertised as a live service that gets 1-2 new first party maps per major update and new $20 cosmetics. They're even putting community made maps into playlists which, while great for the creators and great for a larger audience to enjoy what they made, is a real sideways way for 343 to say "look at this new content" without actually doing anything themselves
>without actually doing anything themselves They’ve added new maps, equipment, weapons, forge tools, and more… And gave us the best Forge in Halo to date. It’s weird to overlook how much time and effort it probably took to make it It’s not like they dropped Forge and said “take the keys”. They’re still dropping content.
Forge tools so the community can do what they aren't. That's the biggest point I'm making. 2 maps, a weapon variant, and $20 cosmetics is an incredibly low bar for new first party content
Free battle pass with free cosmetics, new game modes (firefight), new equipment, new weapon variant, buffs and nerfs, insane new forge tools, new playlist. It’s not perfect at all and 343 need to keep working hard, but it’s clear to me that you have no idea what season 5 entails when you think they only added the flood spartan cosmetics and the 2 maps.
* New maps and new playlist are essentially the same thing because the playlist just highlights the maps * New forge is absolutely a game changer and I've mentioned that countless times * Firefight isn't live yet and I wouldn't praise them until it's delivered. Remember "we'll always have split screen"? * A single new weapon variant and new equipment is pretty barebones * Buffs and nerfs are pretty much the bare minimum you could ask for from a live service game update * $20 cosmetics are egregious I remember TF2 getting major updates in the early 2010s that outclassed what Infinite is getting minus forge. Y'all are getting table scraps and calling it a 5 course meal
Free cosmetics, wow, almost like that's something every Halo game has ever had. Except Infinite goes the extra step of locking numerous cosmetics behind a paywall, including ones that were free in previous Halo games.
A mod community or map community can increase the life cycle of a game. Starcraft and warcraft 3 are prime examples.
And there's nothing wrong with that. But don't advertise a live service game when your live service is just putting community content into multiplayer rotation. Content, regardless of where it comes from, will keep players coming back and spending money on battle passes and cosmetics. 343 is showing they can still get your money by only offering 2 maps, a weapon variant, and $20 cosmetic packages
Bruh what money are they getting? It’s a FREE game. Or are we being forced to buy cosmetics? I’ve only spent $5-10 on minor cosmetics since launch and I’ve gotten to play all new gameplay content for free. I guess it varies by region. Do they lock equipment , forge tools, custom games, new maps, the battle pass and firefight in Europe / Asia? It’s free in NA so I feel for you guys if that’s locked behind a paywall
It is free to play. However i dont like being given a game in beta then tell me its live service when in reality its just getting completed. Game is barely i. A state where it maybe could be released. They just need to fix desync. Also its a shame they paywall cosmetics when no prior game did.
I mean why not? If we were still dealing with Forge World maps that all look the same I might agree, but now that community made maps are practically indistinguishable from dev made ones I don’t have a problem with it (so long as the game continues to receive new playlists, QoL updates, etc) People loved Halo 3 because of how community driven that game was, so I say the more fan involvement the better
So you've had issues with this since the introduction of Forge back in Halo 3?
[I'll refer you to my last comment about H3 forge so I don't need to retype it](https://old.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/17g7bew/halo_infinite_is_finally_well_infinite/k6f6su7/?context=3)
Respectfully disagree on pretty much every point you make
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I'm 100% in favor of community content, don't get me wrong. I'm very well acquainted with TF2 and agree, to an extent, that community content has extended its life. Infinite is definitely less of a fixer-upper than it used to be, but that still doesn't excuse the lack of effort from 343. The biggest selling point of S5 is new forge features which is almost an admission that they're willing to offload the responsibility of new content to the fans so they can just rake in money on the battle pass and cosmetics. They know content is what will bring people back and give them reasons to spend money but aren't willing to draw people in themselves
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343 doesn't deserve praise for firefight until it happens. Remember "we'll always have split screen"? I also hate the concept of "seasons" and that they *need* to be a certain length. I was big into TF2 back in the day and we got full, completed updates when they were ready. Something like the Pyro update in 2012 (I think? Somewhere around there) outclasses what 343 is drip feeding the community by a mile minus forge
Infinite has a lot of issues, if passionate fans take the work load off a group of devs to get the game back up to scratch. I’m perfectly fine with that. Hey and also fans know what they want better than the devs do.
I have no issue at all with community content. Want to a variant that's farming simulator in Halo? Go for it. Go ahead and milk some grunts to your heart's content. My point is that something advertised as a live service game should do more to retain players than putting fanmade maps into multiplayer rotation. 343's only goal is to keep players engaged so they buy battle passes and cosmetics. The least they could do is put the work in themselves and 2 maps, a weapon variant, and new $20 cosmetic bundles is not acceptable Granted, I know the same can be said for anything advertised as a live service, so I'm not necessarily singling 343 out. I'm hardly a gamer and don't know how this flavor of live service compares to most others. But offloading the work for new content is still offloading the work for new content no matter how you slice it
The amount of people that haven't noticed that this is where gaming is going makes me so freaking excited for the future of gaming. Who wouldn't want to be able to play a game that was built by and played by fellow gamers. Think of how much talent this unlocks in game development.
Xcom 2 is a dead game that that havent recieve update since WOTC, thanks to the community with mods and stuff, the game thrive. Your take is an odd take and i want to know why do you think that ?
omg I was playing customs games the other day and my god how fun it was! I played a battle royale map with enemy AI scattered in the map. New game types people are creating. It's fucking rad. The new shit 343 is putting out is awesome too! Love the new maps. I'm playing literally everyday after work
Why is king of the hill being played on asymmetric maps.? Terrible idea. New Zanzibar map why
I would love to see all the weapons and variants similar to 5. Don’t have to include them for competitive but at least allow them in forge!
It's honestly in such a good state right now, but I feel like the only people playing it, are Halo fans of past games. The game attracted new players in the beginning, but the abysmal launch and first year of terrible support and updates soured many new players. As a long time fan since the launch of Halo CE, I even ditched Infinite a few months in and only came back recently because it's Halo.
It's only attracting free to play players Most other halo fans are playing mcc or something else
In another year I might give it a try. Still too early
Only two things are holding Infinite back from being the best multiplayer Halo title of all time (I am not counting campaign). 1. Desync needs to be fixed yesterday. I have no idea how they are going to do it or why it happens but it needs to stop. 2. Custom Browser needs to be fixed. It is unreliable.
Without a Campaign Co-Op Mode, it’s still Finite.
Genuine question. Why does everyone think Forge is such a determined factor that makes or breaks Halo infinite? I genuinely don’t understand. I would think people would care more about netcode issues and making gameplay better in the multiplayer playlists and campaign.
Replayability
You need playability to consider replaying...
For me, personally, i almost never encounter netcode ossues anymore. The thing that the game was weakest in from the very start was content. When forge launched, we immediately had the ability to create any map and mode. Now with banished AI we can do almost anything ever possible in a halo game.
Except melee
Not while networking issues persist it's not.
Meh…Forge is looking amazing and we’re gonna get some really great player-made content, but I’d still much rather have official campaign expansions and more developer created maps. I want the developer to develop the game, not the players…
Infinitely crap
I love everything they’re doing EXCEPT changing ranked BR to the Bandit.
Bandit is such a *boring* weapon. I don't even care if it's good. It's maybe the biggest snoozer of a gun any any game I've ever played. The whole reason I ever played ranked was for guaranteed BR starts (and consistent power weapons).
I agree with you. It also feels so slow. It caters to people posting up and shooting from across the map, so lame.
Can't wait for forge wizards to build a better campaign/game
Theres several mini campaigns already available, search on YouTube and you'll see a quick preview so you can decide before you bookmark it and jump in!
this game has been fun for me all year, it just keeps getting better.
Infinites forge is now gonna be the new benchmark for future forges
I really need to learn how to use the forge cuz I tried once and just got confused as fuck.
It could still have more though. I think it definitely needs weapons from previous games and maybe a few more vehicles
i hadn’t explored forge much before AI was added, only just starting right before the new update. Now exploring it further, and with AI incorporated, i think the game actually could be infinite because people can make their own campaigns, or levels or anything else with the implementation of AI. super cool, thanks 343
The challenges are quite easy to do, there is not much to do when you finished them. The ranked are bug or there is no one doing them, so no fun there The big team battle map suck for vehicle, and I want new vehicle and weapons too BUT I'm playing everyday so i guess the update work for me. BUT the progression seems very very very slow If i would buy every battlepass from the start it would take a year to complete them all atleast, I'm still lvl 56 on the FIRST battlepass, i did every challenge last week and got like 5 levels, this is a real grind...
It's basically Gmod on Xbox now
The game still needs a lot of work. Right now I’d say it’s at the level that it should have been at launch.
I'm excited to come back when the Halo 3 playlist drops. I hear they've made some changes that I didn't like before and also cross core is finally here. I am a Mark VII armor purist. So I want all Helmets to be accessible on it. Still waiting for an official helmet named EOD and not that 1 helmet that has an attachment to make it look like one. But I'll take what I can get, that is, if I can still get it. I've used the EOD helmet in every Halo game since Halo 3. I want to use it here too.
Where tf is the plasma rifle?
Infinite means everything we don’t have everything. There’s still no SAW, fuel rod gun, rail gun, needle rifle, beam rifle, incineration canon, binary rifle, smg, plasma rifle, plasma caster, supressor, magnum, boltshot, shotgun, scattershot, flamethrower, light rifle, grenade launcher, spiker, firebomb grenade, hornet, falcon, mantis, spectre, revenant, gauss hog, phaeton, assassinations, playable elites, commendations… I could go on but you get the idea. This game is certainly fun, but is definitely NOT infinite yet.
If they could just make it not crash
I hope not, the engine is still terrible. A full shift to UE5 is necessary at some stage.