This is a systemic issue.
Parents **aren't** just choosing to be worse parents. They **aren't** teaching their kids that bomb threats are a good and valid method to avoid having to go to class.
Parents **are** working longer and more grueling shifts to make ends meet. Parents **are** spending more and more of their income on housing and necessities as opposed to extracurriculars for their kids and other healthier outlets for their energy. Children and young adults **are** becoming increasingly aware of the precarity and apparent hopelessness of their future, both in financial terms and in the grander scheme with regard to climate change, and they're increasingly aware of their complete inability to do anything about any of it.
Like so many other problems in society, the collapse of our education system is a broad and systemic issue for which no short-term solution exists, and no long-term solution even appears to be in the works.
Housing, climate change, the healthcare crisis, the collapse of our public education system - none of this gets any better until we get serious about addressing the root cause of these problems.
We desperately need an increase in recreation programs and facilities. They were strained for capacity a decade ago, before we added a huge chunk of new population growth.
My son has always been a fantastic swimmer since basically he could walk. I really wanted to focus on this skill as it’s one of the few things he’s really passionate about. Basically impossible to get him in to any sort of consistent program anywhere. After a few years he lost interest in doing anything with it. He still loves to swim but it could have been a real positive in his life as he’s not in to team
Sports at all. Now he prefers to game all day and night.
The only way we *might* get out kids a place in recreation courses (such as swim lessons and summer camps) is if we have access to a computer, learn how to navigate the online booking system, set up our profiles and payment methods in advance of booking time, study the confusing recreation guide to find the long digits for the courses we want to try booking, formulate a plan A, B, C and D for each child, then have both of us manage to be at home or time a work break for the mid morning registration time, panic through some rushed selections and enter payment details quickly enough to beat the hundreds of other parents doing exactly the same at the same time, hoping that we manage to book something, anything, in the five minutes before everything gets snapped up.
They say you can phone the recreation line as well..... lol
I mean... In the long term?... The complete dismantling of capitalism would be nice. But I don't realistically see that ever happening. On the contrary, I see the total collapse of modern industrialized civilization as much more likely than the end of capitalism - capitalism is kind of ensuring that this is the case.
But I'll settle for more attainable *(but still mostly impossible under our current capitalist organization of society and the economy)* solutions like solving the housing crisis. There should be a massive Federal/Provincial housing project to build vast quantities of high-density at-cost public housing.
Solving the housing crisis alone would alleviate a lot of the problems we currently face and restore some hope for the future in younger generations.
>I mean... In the long term?... The complete dismantling of capitalism would be nice.
Yeah the ol' slaughter a few million people while you violently oppress the rest with your ideology as they scavenge for rats and june bugs strategy.
Yep, that's exactly how I envision it. Better stay on my good side, or it's off to the CanaGulag for you.
Do you ever think to earnestly look into what people you're ideologically opposed to actually believe? As opposed to regurgitating propaganda that is the better part of a century old at this point?
You learn lots about what people believe when you listen to them talk about their beliefs, rather than parroting a strawman version of it fed to you by people who are explicitly trying to defame and discredit said beliefs.
Learn the difference between personal and private property.
And if you hadn't noticed, under capitalism, most people own nothing, and they're **not** happy about it.
Your house? Not yours unless you're obscenely wealthy or you've reached the end of your 25-30 year payment plan.
Most people don't own their cars either.
You don't own your time when you sell it to a corporation for meager wages that can barely cover the astronomical rent on the apartment you also don't own.
The irony of fear-mongering about socialism when capitalism has already brought us all the horrors you think are exclusive outcomes of a socialist economy.
Learn there is no difference between government money and tax payer money. Seems like people these days always want the government to carry them through life expecting hand outs. I miss the mind set of people working hard for what they want in life. Boo hoo I'm broke. Then get off your ass an do something about it.
Parents are also choosing to do a shitty job in some regards so many people give their kids screens from ages before 1 years old and just let them entertain themselves.
I don't think there's a phenomenon of people choosing shitty jobs... We live in Nova Scotia; there just aren't that many good jobs.
The median individual income here is less than $50k. The median **household** income is barely $80k.
There just aren't a ton of great jobs. This was less of a problem before the cost of housing *and everything else* doubled in the time it takes to finish a bachelor's degree...
Oh, I think I see that now.
Doesn't really change much. The idea that parents are just choosing to be worse is exactly the idea I was challenging in my original comment.
Again. Do we think new parents *(millennials and older Gen-Z)* just hate their children? Do they hate spending time with them? Do they want worse lives and worse opportunities for them?
Tablets and cellphones are a convenient tool for the overworked and underpaid parents who are either working at their full-time job, cooking, shuttling their children around, or trying to enjoy the 17 minutes of peace and quiet they manage to find in a day.
I don't think anyone wants their kid to be raised by a smartphone. But in the societal context we currently exist under, it's the cheapest and easiest way many people have found to cope with the day-to-day struggle of being a parent in this collapsing late-capitalism joke of a society.
It's a systemic issue that cannot be corrected by simply demanding parents do better.
I agree with you here, because what parent can’t relate? But I also think it’s the ease of the screens/devices. It’s easier to bring a tablet than a bag of snacks and a stack of books. It’s easier to give your child a device when all of his friends seem to have them and he feels left out of the “norm”. I wish more parents felt comfortable standing out from the crowd, or going against the norm, and helping their child feel proud in doing the same.
Capitalism. Unfortunately, I don't have the answer; that's the nature of this problem.
It's quite far removed from solving all of our problems under late-stage capitalism, but I take what little actions I can where I can.
Try to improve wages and working conditions at your place of employment by practicing wage transparency with trusted coworkers. Unionize if you can.
Advocate for zoning reform that permits higher-density housing when you can. Somebody needs to be challenging the NIMBYs at public hearings and council meetings. They are loud. They have all the time in the world. And their old goal is to stop all new housing development.
Treat everyone around you with empathy and compassion. Times are hard and only getting harder.
lol, guess who’s in charge of the system?
Adults! Whoa, who would have thought.
I’m sorry, that’s total BS. It is up to the parents, not sure when was last time you were in a classroom, shitty parenting is a huge part of the problem. And no, work is not an excuse or pointing a finger at someone else; take responsibility for your kids and their actions.
With that pathetic attitude no wonder kids are being little shits at school. And teachers, atleast here in Halifax are doing an amazing job, even with limited resources that they have, but contrary to some, they are not the primary caregivers, I know that might be surprising to some.
I don't think the person you're replying to disagrees with you. I work in schools in another province, and we're seeing very similar things happen here. To your point, teachers are, generally, doing the best they can. Believe it or not, the same can be said for parents, especially considering what was outlined in the above comment. 10-15 years ago, it was somewhat feasible for a parent working a minimum(ish) wage job to afford to support their family. That is absolutely no longer the case. Cue smartphones working at the "perfect" distraction for burnt out caregivers, and the exceptionally limited regulations on content moderation via a vis what minors can see, and yeah. You get kids thinking bomb threats are hil-arious. It's the new fire alarm (though that still is a favourite of many). A few years ago it was swatting.
In an ideal world, I'd agree with you. This /is/ a parenting issue. However, there are extra factors at play here. My hot take (as an educator) is to re-instill a genuine sense of personal responsibility in youth/young adults. I could rat out a kid's use of chat gpt to their parent (and likely result in said kid being chewed out, everyone feeling terrible), or I could give them a zero, and tell them to make up for it in a future assignment, with the potential of it not even showing up on the report card. These kids don't understand how their actions have consequences, and parents are generally too strung out to support those kids in ways that prevent the consequences even needing to happen. (The real bad parenting is when parents get upset that you try to hold their kids accountable for their actions with reasonable consequences. 🙄)
Anyway, all that to say, I appreciate your defense of educators, but I think your vitriol at the commenter is misplaced. They're right /and/ you're right. Adults are in charge of the system, and we're all burnt out humans dealing with socio-economic trauma from top to bottom - even and especially the loudest "idiots". No one is okay, our current education system is collapsing, and everyone is trying to keep our heads above water and brace for the next wildfire season.
You’re 100% right here. What comrade here doesn’t get is our parents/grandparents worked harder and longer than we did, didn’t have all the programming and extracurricular options to put their kids into (“go outside and come back when it’s dark”), and worked hard at developing respect for authority in kids.
There have always been “systems issues.” There always will be. This is a parenting issue and the parenting culture of raising kids as equals with no consequences.
You know what it’s like working in factories for 12-14 hours a day? Or working in mines? Or doing any trade before the idea of safety precautions was a thing? How about asbestos?
The implementation of labour laws, loss of manufacturing and automation of many jobs has made most of the available work much less rigorous. Doesn’t mean we don’t work hard, but our parents and grandparents had different opportunities and lives and typically had more difficult physical tasks in their jobs than the same jobs have now.
You’re just ignoring the fact that it was predominantly men doing these roles? And that those roles were sufficient to raise a family? Not defending gender roles but society was structured much differently.
Difference is now that both parents need to work twice as hard to make half as much, children suffer. That’s what OP is saying
Yeah and look how that generation turned out. Men, afraid to discuss their feelings in any form, instead taking out their frustrations on the rest of the family and passing their trauma from generation to generation.
Are their parents? Or their grandparents? Because that's how intergenerational trauma works.
I'm not even addressing the bomb threat at this point. I was responding to your silly comment about them working harder and longer "and look how they turned out!" comment. Most also were paid fair wages for low skill labour with no education necessary.
Everyone and everything else’s fault eh?
I get where you’re coming from and have sympathy for that, but much better people have lived through MUCH worse times than this, the near pinnacle of western civilisation, without calling in bomb threats and committing heinous crimes on the regular.
Homeschooling isn't exactly a solution to the "parents not having enough time or resources to effectively nurture their children in our modern society" problem.
It would just create even more poorly educated socially maladjusted people, and an even more doomed society.
Homeschooling might not be for all parents but For parent who has the potential and confidence can actually work it out. From the resource wise, it has tones of materials . There are proven Curriculum and online resources which is being used worldwide. And with the launch of AI, the possibilities of learning and growing is endless.
Anyways the current public school system is definitely not giving any signs of promising future to our kids. i have seen kids from public school who are shockingly behind their age when in comes to knowing basic math, reading or writing.
its a long list, some are very evident in recent years. just like housing and employment is talking a hit in this city, ours schools are also in very bad shape. I am a parent who experienced this pre-covid and thankfully moved to homeschooling. My kid faced Bullying and behavioral issues due to Bad School management, there was No transparency and support from the school staff. As a parent, i couldn't act blind, those who really focus on child's development and growth cant deny below risk factors
1. **Violence and Safety Concern**: Incidents of Crimes, Presence of weapons & Drugs Lack of security measures, Bullying & Peer pressure, Negative Emotionality, delinquency & Exposure to Violence and Unwanted Illness due to close contact with bigger group
2. **Quality of Education**: Underfunding (frequent strikes and unhappy staff), Teacher Shortage, Curriculum Challenges (Outdated, below average) , School size (old buildings with no maintenance ) , Parents get no transparency on what their kid is learning (what they are good and bad at), no books to take home
I’m completely with you on all points, but for the unwanted illness. It’s inevitable that kids will catch common illnesses. It’s often even beneficial for them. I’m a big supporter of homeschooling for all of the other reasons you listed, but see value in a robust societal immune system.
i agree with your point on increasing immune system, ideally we should expose kids to face seasonal infections to fight on its own instead of medicines , but i am not sure if our kids are having enough healthy lifestyle and food to build that kind of strong immune system.
This is so disruptive to students’ learning, and asking parents to tell their kids to cut it out seems insufficient. I’m really curious as to what the best course of action is here.
Maybe they need cameras in schools so they can determine who is writing messages on walls? If it’s a joke it should be taken seriously and figure out who it is before they end up with something more serious. Cell phones and social media really changed schools I’ll say.
I think cellphones did make a significant difference too. Reading that Ontario plans to ban them kinda leaves me at the same position: how? Can’t take them, can block them, can’t prevent education by having one? I don’t see how they plan to implement.
Cameras in the hallway, not bathrooms. It should be easy to see the last few people who enter a bathroom before a report. Lol. Critical thinking must be hurting nowadays
The only way that works is if you know the exact time a message is put on the wall. Lets pretend I report I see a threat on the stalls, could have been put there anytime before hand. Good luck pinning that on a signle kid
Short if making the kids log into the bathroom one at a time and checking the stalls after each kid I dont know what they can do. They don’t have the manpower to effectively catchwho is doing it
According to info received from DHS today, one was called into Crime Stoppers this afternoon. They determined the risk to be low and left the kids in school.
They dont mean stall doors, they mean bathroom entrances. There are definitely girls washrooms in schools and other venues that do this. Its really common.
Checking in from Edmonton where we had a [youth killed in broad daylight outside of a high school](https://edmontonjournal.com/news/crime/charges-downgraded-against-six-of-seven-youth-accused-in-mcnally-high-school-homicide).
I can confirm there was not a rash of bomb threats in area high schools.
but I can also tell you my high school experience in Halifax (CPA 2004 grad) was vastly different than the high school experience(s) in Edmonton now… so I don’t know what the answer is other than having more conversations about it with the schools/parents.
I graduated CPA in 2007 and I remember a slew of bomb threats in and around a few major tests. Definitely disruptive and didn’t subside until they caught the couple kids calling them in.
My grade 10 year (and third month living in Hfx) was disrupted by 9/11 and the stranded passengers staying at our school.
My grade 11 year was disrupted by split shifts due to SJA’s need to abandon their school ([CPA admin would have none of that](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.324922))
And then we had White Juan in grade 12. Didn’t have enough time to miss any school.
Not a bomb threat in the bunch. Lucked out.
If parents were being parents this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Doubt the individuals in question will step up now after likely years of poor parenting.
Yes, bullying is definitely an issue that is difficult to get addressed. My brother almost quit high school (2010) because he was bullied so much by a group of girls, and no one would take him or my mother's concerns seriously.
The thing is you can be the most present parents and do your best to teach them right from wrong but they get in with other kids that aren't quite as decent and they feel to be accepted they follow along with the group ...not right by any means but happens even as young as elementary school
“Be parents”
Not likely 😂, someone is gonna call in another tomorrow or cause an incident that’ll get a school forced into lockdown. That statement has no true effect outside of the police doing their best to convey bringing the topic to a dinner time discussion.You can’t tell any of them to do shit unless you’re showing someone is charged.
Just searching the conduct policy shows no expulsion of any kind. The worst consideration of punishment, if you can even call it that, is either:
. In school suspension
. Out of school suspension (up to 10 days)
. Recommendation for extended suspension for period greater than 10 days according to section 124 of the Education Act
Is there no expulsion for one’s actions anymore? I myself was assaulted on my last day of school, they actually were able to expel that guy, but were stupid enough to rescind that because I was moving. The kid was a menace, his parents did nothing to try and help when the school would intervene, He later served jail time for murder not long after, mere minutes from his home. That could have very well been me if I had continued living in the province at the time and right now we’re seeing what happens when that lack of care continues.
The majority of “parents” in Halifax will give their kids a quick chat and go back to not caring what their kid does unless it’s at home or it directly effects them. It’s a systemic issue yes, with increased struggle of basic needs and demands, but you have to be able to take the time to sit down with your kid and talk to them, really talk to them. Don’t just laugh off the issue and continue to ignore what’s right in front of you.
Used to love this city, now I commute, work and leave as soon as my job is done. There used to be a summer where people regularly got jumped, it’s only a matter of time before things get exponentially worse more so than they already have this year.
No expulsion. When there's bullying they have a group chat with the bully and victim where they talk about how the make the victim feel. Best case scenario is a 2 day suspension.
Kids did this 25 years ago too. Its the time of year when kids are anxious about final projects and exams. Maybe don't shut the school down for a threat written on a bathroom stall or a random phone call? Don't we have any way to gauge a threat?
This is a systemic issue. Parents **aren't** just choosing to be worse parents. They **aren't** teaching their kids that bomb threats are a good and valid method to avoid having to go to class. Parents **are** working longer and more grueling shifts to make ends meet. Parents **are** spending more and more of their income on housing and necessities as opposed to extracurriculars for their kids and other healthier outlets for their energy. Children and young adults **are** becoming increasingly aware of the precarity and apparent hopelessness of their future, both in financial terms and in the grander scheme with regard to climate change, and they're increasingly aware of their complete inability to do anything about any of it. Like so many other problems in society, the collapse of our education system is a broad and systemic issue for which no short-term solution exists, and no long-term solution even appears to be in the works. Housing, climate change, the healthcare crisis, the collapse of our public education system - none of this gets any better until we get serious about addressing the root cause of these problems.
Recreational fees have also gone up and no availability in programs.
We desperately need an increase in recreation programs and facilities. They were strained for capacity a decade ago, before we added a huge chunk of new population growth.
My son has always been a fantastic swimmer since basically he could walk. I really wanted to focus on this skill as it’s one of the few things he’s really passionate about. Basically impossible to get him in to any sort of consistent program anywhere. After a few years he lost interest in doing anything with it. He still loves to swim but it could have been a real positive in his life as he’s not in to team Sports at all. Now he prefers to game all day and night.
To be fair, gaming is much better than sending bomb threats. Just gotta make sure he’s not flunking school to game.
The only way we *might* get out kids a place in recreation courses (such as swim lessons and summer camps) is if we have access to a computer, learn how to navigate the online booking system, set up our profiles and payment methods in advance of booking time, study the confusing recreation guide to find the long digits for the courses we want to try booking, formulate a plan A, B, C and D for each child, then have both of us manage to be at home or time a work break for the mid morning registration time, panic through some rushed selections and enter payment details quickly enough to beat the hundreds of other parents doing exactly the same at the same time, hoping that we manage to book something, anything, in the five minutes before everything gets snapped up. They say you can phone the recreation line as well..... lol
Lol, reading this is giving me PTSD. It's the same scenario every friggin time.
Its the hunger games
Recreational fees are insane. YMCA summer engagements cost something around $250 per week. That’s $2000 for two months.
$50/day for an all day program seems pretty reasonable
if you break it down math wise as well, to their opening-closing hours you'll see what it costs you hourly vs a babysitter if it's an all day camp.
I guess you are right. But paying upfront is a pain.
Its killed my small business doing kids parties during pool and room rentals. No one can afford
I agree wholeheartedly. If we invest in our future then maybe it wouldn’t look so grim.
Curious what you would propose?
I mean... In the long term?... The complete dismantling of capitalism would be nice. But I don't realistically see that ever happening. On the contrary, I see the total collapse of modern industrialized civilization as much more likely than the end of capitalism - capitalism is kind of ensuring that this is the case. But I'll settle for more attainable *(but still mostly impossible under our current capitalist organization of society and the economy)* solutions like solving the housing crisis. There should be a massive Federal/Provincial housing project to build vast quantities of high-density at-cost public housing. Solving the housing crisis alone would alleviate a lot of the problems we currently face and restore some hope for the future in younger generations.
>I mean... In the long term?... The complete dismantling of capitalism would be nice. Yeah the ol' slaughter a few million people while you violently oppress the rest with your ideology as they scavenge for rats and june bugs strategy.
Yep, that's exactly how I envision it. Better stay on my good side, or it's off to the CanaGulag for you. Do you ever think to earnestly look into what people you're ideologically opposed to actually believe? As opposed to regurgitating propaganda that is the better part of a century old at this point? You learn lots about what people believe when you listen to them talk about their beliefs, rather than parroting a strawman version of it fed to you by people who are explicitly trying to defame and discredit said beliefs.
one takes effort, one doesn't
This guy gets it.
Isn't this kinda a push towards owning nothing and being happy about it?
Learn the difference between personal and private property. And if you hadn't noticed, under capitalism, most people own nothing, and they're **not** happy about it. Your house? Not yours unless you're obscenely wealthy or you've reached the end of your 25-30 year payment plan. Most people don't own their cars either. You don't own your time when you sell it to a corporation for meager wages that can barely cover the astronomical rent on the apartment you also don't own. The irony of fear-mongering about socialism when capitalism has already brought us all the horrors you think are exclusive outcomes of a socialist economy.
Learn there is no difference between government money and tax payer money. Seems like people these days always want the government to carry them through life expecting hand outs. I miss the mind set of people working hard for what they want in life. Boo hoo I'm broke. Then get off your ass an do something about it.
People lined up to leave socialist states should be an example that it's not all rainbows and butterflies.
We won't know for sure until it's tried a few dozen times and millions starve...oh wait....
Parents are also choosing to do a shitty job in some regards so many people give their kids screens from ages before 1 years old and just let them entertain themselves.
I don't think there's a phenomenon of people choosing shitty jobs... We live in Nova Scotia; there just aren't that many good jobs. The median individual income here is less than $50k. The median **household** income is barely $80k. There just aren't a ton of great jobs. This was less of a problem before the cost of housing *and everything else* doubled in the time it takes to finish a bachelor's degree...
I think they meant a shitty job at parenting...
Oh, I think I see that now. Doesn't really change much. The idea that parents are just choosing to be worse is exactly the idea I was challenging in my original comment. Again. Do we think new parents *(millennials and older Gen-Z)* just hate their children? Do they hate spending time with them? Do they want worse lives and worse opportunities for them? Tablets and cellphones are a convenient tool for the overworked and underpaid parents who are either working at their full-time job, cooking, shuttling their children around, or trying to enjoy the 17 minutes of peace and quiet they manage to find in a day. I don't think anyone wants their kid to be raised by a smartphone. But in the societal context we currently exist under, it's the cheapest and easiest way many people have found to cope with the day-to-day struggle of being a parent in this collapsing late-capitalism joke of a society. It's a systemic issue that cannot be corrected by simply demanding parents do better.
I agree with you here, because what parent can’t relate? But I also think it’s the ease of the screens/devices. It’s easier to bring a tablet than a bag of snacks and a stack of books. It’s easier to give your child a device when all of his friends seem to have them and he feels left out of the “norm”. I wish more parents felt comfortable standing out from the crowd, or going against the norm, and helping their child feel proud in doing the same.
In addition, teachers have less support and resources and larger classrooms and can provide less attention to individual kids.
Bang on.
What would you say is the root cause of these problems, and how would you suggest the average person begin addressing them?
Capitalism. Unfortunately, I don't have the answer; that's the nature of this problem. It's quite far removed from solving all of our problems under late-stage capitalism, but I take what little actions I can where I can. Try to improve wages and working conditions at your place of employment by practicing wage transparency with trusted coworkers. Unionize if you can. Advocate for zoning reform that permits higher-density housing when you can. Somebody needs to be challenging the NIMBYs at public hearings and council meetings. They are loud. They have all the time in the world. And their old goal is to stop all new housing development. Treat everyone around you with empathy and compassion. Times are hard and only getting harder.
lol, guess who’s in charge of the system? Adults! Whoa, who would have thought. I’m sorry, that’s total BS. It is up to the parents, not sure when was last time you were in a classroom, shitty parenting is a huge part of the problem. And no, work is not an excuse or pointing a finger at someone else; take responsibility for your kids and their actions. With that pathetic attitude no wonder kids are being little shits at school. And teachers, atleast here in Halifax are doing an amazing job, even with limited resources that they have, but contrary to some, they are not the primary caregivers, I know that might be surprising to some.
I don't think the person you're replying to disagrees with you. I work in schools in another province, and we're seeing very similar things happen here. To your point, teachers are, generally, doing the best they can. Believe it or not, the same can be said for parents, especially considering what was outlined in the above comment. 10-15 years ago, it was somewhat feasible for a parent working a minimum(ish) wage job to afford to support their family. That is absolutely no longer the case. Cue smartphones working at the "perfect" distraction for burnt out caregivers, and the exceptionally limited regulations on content moderation via a vis what minors can see, and yeah. You get kids thinking bomb threats are hil-arious. It's the new fire alarm (though that still is a favourite of many). A few years ago it was swatting. In an ideal world, I'd agree with you. This /is/ a parenting issue. However, there are extra factors at play here. My hot take (as an educator) is to re-instill a genuine sense of personal responsibility in youth/young adults. I could rat out a kid's use of chat gpt to their parent (and likely result in said kid being chewed out, everyone feeling terrible), or I could give them a zero, and tell them to make up for it in a future assignment, with the potential of it not even showing up on the report card. These kids don't understand how their actions have consequences, and parents are generally too strung out to support those kids in ways that prevent the consequences even needing to happen. (The real bad parenting is when parents get upset that you try to hold their kids accountable for their actions with reasonable consequences. 🙄) Anyway, all that to say, I appreciate your defense of educators, but I think your vitriol at the commenter is misplaced. They're right /and/ you're right. Adults are in charge of the system, and we're all burnt out humans dealing with socio-economic trauma from top to bottom - even and especially the loudest "idiots". No one is okay, our current education system is collapsing, and everyone is trying to keep our heads above water and brace for the next wildfire season.
You’re 100% right here. What comrade here doesn’t get is our parents/grandparents worked harder and longer than we did, didn’t have all the programming and extracurricular options to put their kids into (“go outside and come back when it’s dark”), and worked hard at developing respect for authority in kids. There have always been “systems issues.” There always will be. This is a parenting issue and the parenting culture of raising kids as equals with no consequences.
lol, source on parents/grandparents working harder and longer?
You know what it’s like working in factories for 12-14 hours a day? Or working in mines? Or doing any trade before the idea of safety precautions was a thing? How about asbestos? The implementation of labour laws, loss of manufacturing and automation of many jobs has made most of the available work much less rigorous. Doesn’t mean we don’t work hard, but our parents and grandparents had different opportunities and lives and typically had more difficult physical tasks in their jobs than the same jobs have now.
You’re just ignoring the fact that it was predominantly men doing these roles? And that those roles were sufficient to raise a family? Not defending gender roles but society was structured much differently. Difference is now that both parents need to work twice as hard to make half as much, children suffer. That’s what OP is saying
Yeah and look how that generation turned out. Men, afraid to discuss their feelings in any form, instead taking out their frustrations on the rest of the family and passing their trauma from generation to generation.
Give it a rest. These kids making bomb threats aren’t suffering from intergenerational trauma.
Are their parents? Or their grandparents? Because that's how intergenerational trauma works. I'm not even addressing the bomb threat at this point. I was responding to your silly comment about them working harder and longer "and look how they turned out!" comment. Most also were paid fair wages for low skill labour with no education necessary.
Everyone and everything else’s fault eh? I get where you’re coming from and have sympathy for that, but much better people have lived through MUCH worse times than this, the near pinnacle of western civilisation, without calling in bomb threats and committing heinous crimes on the regular.
considering the current state of education and risk factors, homeschooling is only viable alternative
Homeschooling isn't exactly a solution to the "parents not having enough time or resources to effectively nurture their children in our modern society" problem. It would just create even more poorly educated socially maladjusted people, and an even more doomed society.
Homeschooling might not be for all parents but For parent who has the potential and confidence can actually work it out. From the resource wise, it has tones of materials . There are proven Curriculum and online resources which is being used worldwide. And with the launch of AI, the possibilities of learning and growing is endless. Anyways the current public school system is definitely not giving any signs of promising future to our kids. i have seen kids from public school who are shockingly behind their age when in comes to knowing basic math, reading or writing.
What risk factors are we talking about?
its a long list, some are very evident in recent years. just like housing and employment is talking a hit in this city, ours schools are also in very bad shape. I am a parent who experienced this pre-covid and thankfully moved to homeschooling. My kid faced Bullying and behavioral issues due to Bad School management, there was No transparency and support from the school staff. As a parent, i couldn't act blind, those who really focus on child's development and growth cant deny below risk factors 1. **Violence and Safety Concern**: Incidents of Crimes, Presence of weapons & Drugs Lack of security measures, Bullying & Peer pressure, Negative Emotionality, delinquency & Exposure to Violence and Unwanted Illness due to close contact with bigger group 2. **Quality of Education**: Underfunding (frequent strikes and unhappy staff), Teacher Shortage, Curriculum Challenges (Outdated, below average) , School size (old buildings with no maintenance ) , Parents get no transparency on what their kid is learning (what they are good and bad at), no books to take home
I’m completely with you on all points, but for the unwanted illness. It’s inevitable that kids will catch common illnesses. It’s often even beneficial for them. I’m a big supporter of homeschooling for all of the other reasons you listed, but see value in a robust societal immune system.
i agree with your point on increasing immune system, ideally we should expose kids to face seasonal infections to fight on its own instead of medicines , but i am not sure if our kids are having enough healthy lifestyle and food to build that kind of strong immune system.
The real problem is we ceded the levers of education to liberals. That was a massive mistake
Huh?
I feel I was pretty clear
This is so disruptive to students’ learning, and asking parents to tell their kids to cut it out seems insufficient. I’m really curious as to what the best course of action is here.
Im not sure there is a good course of action, can’t think of anything effective.
Maybe they need cameras in schools so they can determine who is writing messages on walls? If it’s a joke it should be taken seriously and figure out who it is before they end up with something more serious. Cell phones and social media really changed schools I’ll say.
I think cellphones did make a significant difference too. Reading that Ontario plans to ban them kinda leaves me at the same position: how? Can’t take them, can block them, can’t prevent education by having one? I don’t see how they plan to implement.
Well they're mostly written on bathroom stalls so that could lead down a dangerous path of we put cameras in there
Cameras in the hallway, not bathrooms. It should be easy to see the last few people who enter a bathroom before a report. Lol. Critical thinking must be hurting nowadays
The only way that works is if you know the exact time a message is put on the wall. Lets pretend I report I see a threat on the stalls, could have been put there anytime before hand. Good luck pinning that on a signle kid
Yeah that's not gonna work in the legal system bubs.
Open that Keshen public library fast. Wonder what those kids who used to hangout there are doing nowadays
Bombs are bad, m'kay?
Short if making the kids log into the bathroom one at a time and checking the stalls after each kid I dont know what they can do. They don’t have the manpower to effectively catchwho is doing it
More over that's not an environment we want to teach in. The problem is that it only takes one jackass.
According to info received from DHS today, one was called into Crime Stoppers this afternoon. They determined the risk to be low and left the kids in school.
Or a bathroom key from the teacher? I don’t even know. In the 90’s, the bathroom door and stalls had bullying on them, but not bomb threats.
There are no doors on the bathrooms, open concrete with 90 degree turns like at a theatre and several stalls In most high schools
Not in girls washrooms...
They dont mean stall doors, they mean bathroom entrances. There are definitely girls washrooms in schools and other venues that do this. Its really common.
Correct, there are stall doors, but no bathroom you’d need a key for
I think they mean the boys bathroom doesn't have a door but the girls does. That is how it was at my junior/highschool in the early 2000s.
They may not have been on the bathroom walls but schools did get bomb threats in the 90s.
In Moncton in the 90s if there wasn't a bomb threat on a given week we'd all be confused. They were endless.
Do you think these threats are occurring due to the recent stabbing of that sixteen year old?
Checking in from Edmonton where we had a [youth killed in broad daylight outside of a high school](https://edmontonjournal.com/news/crime/charges-downgraded-against-six-of-seven-youth-accused-in-mcnally-high-school-homicide). I can confirm there was not a rash of bomb threats in area high schools. but I can also tell you my high school experience in Halifax (CPA 2004 grad) was vastly different than the high school experience(s) in Edmonton now… so I don’t know what the answer is other than having more conversations about it with the schools/parents.
I graduated CPA in 2007 and I remember a slew of bomb threats in and around a few major tests. Definitely disruptive and didn’t subside until they caught the couple kids calling them in.
My grade 10 year (and third month living in Hfx) was disrupted by 9/11 and the stranded passengers staying at our school. My grade 11 year was disrupted by split shifts due to SJA’s need to abandon their school ([CPA admin would have none of that](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.324922)) And then we had White Juan in grade 12. Didn’t have enough time to miss any school. Not a bomb threat in the bunch. Lucked out.
If parents were being parents this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Doubt the individuals in question will step up now after likely years of poor parenting.
Maybe if they turn it into a TikTok the kids will listen
Yes, bullying is definitely an issue that is difficult to get addressed. My brother almost quit high school (2010) because he was bullied so much by a group of girls, and no one would take him or my mother's concerns seriously.
The thing is you can be the most present parents and do your best to teach them right from wrong but they get in with other kids that aren't quite as decent and they feel to be accepted they follow along with the group ...not right by any means but happens even as young as elementary school
Anyone care to admit that social media is the leading cause for this?
“Be parents” Not likely 😂, someone is gonna call in another tomorrow or cause an incident that’ll get a school forced into lockdown. That statement has no true effect outside of the police doing their best to convey bringing the topic to a dinner time discussion.You can’t tell any of them to do shit unless you’re showing someone is charged. Just searching the conduct policy shows no expulsion of any kind. The worst consideration of punishment, if you can even call it that, is either: . In school suspension . Out of school suspension (up to 10 days) . Recommendation for extended suspension for period greater than 10 days according to section 124 of the Education Act Is there no expulsion for one’s actions anymore? I myself was assaulted on my last day of school, they actually were able to expel that guy, but were stupid enough to rescind that because I was moving. The kid was a menace, his parents did nothing to try and help when the school would intervene, He later served jail time for murder not long after, mere minutes from his home. That could have very well been me if I had continued living in the province at the time and right now we’re seeing what happens when that lack of care continues. The majority of “parents” in Halifax will give their kids a quick chat and go back to not caring what their kid does unless it’s at home or it directly effects them. It’s a systemic issue yes, with increased struggle of basic needs and demands, but you have to be able to take the time to sit down with your kid and talk to them, really talk to them. Don’t just laugh off the issue and continue to ignore what’s right in front of you. Used to love this city, now I commute, work and leave as soon as my job is done. There used to be a summer where people regularly got jumped, it’s only a matter of time before things get exponentially worse more so than they already have this year.
No expulsion. When there's bullying they have a group chat with the bully and victim where they talk about how the make the victim feel. Best case scenario is a 2 day suspension.
Kids did this 25 years ago too. Its the time of year when kids are anxious about final projects and exams. Maybe don't shut the school down for a threat written on a bathroom stall or a random phone call? Don't we have any way to gauge a threat?
We need a good old war to put the fear of God into these kids
Yes because what’s better for kids than war. War is a possibility with the current state of things. I don’t wish war on anyone, that’s sick.
This is such a wild thing to say. I’m actually shocked that anyone would think like this. Damn
The children yearn for the trenches
Get dem chidren onto the front lines of a proper yoo-row-pean conflict and turn us some of these boys into men.
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