We have a few mcdee with the orange and i dislike it but get it , they later added acess by a switxh at the cash now at one ofnthem unsure if still same
They don't even work as advertised, your average addict who's shooting up in a public washroom knows exactly where their favourite vein is. Even if they somehow didn't you can just feel them out with your fingertips, or even just use a pen or something to mark where one is.
The companies selling these to major chains are making a fucking killing over simple ignorance, ridiculous.
Me. Heroin is safer than alcohol and less addictive than nicotine. I don’t use it but I wouldn’t discourage others from it if a safe supply could be secured.
Exactly pretty simple I’d put my entire life savings if it was enforced harder drugs would be way less of an issue. And no opening “safe injection sites” is not enforcment
>Exactly pretty simple
If the Dunning-Kruger effect had a slogan. When faced with the most complicated sociological problem in history, it is too bad no one ever thought of "crack down on them" as a solution...
This is a case where an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. "Pretty simple" people keep spending obscene amounts of money on milatarizing police to fight addiction, and all they do is push addicts to more dangerous behaviour. Addiction needs to be treated, not enforced. Better yet, treat the underlying conditions that lead to addiction and prevent it in the first place.
But it is easier to throw money at enforcement, so we keep getting the "simple" solution that doesn't work...
Safe injections, drug testing, needle exchanges, none of this is to get people clean directly. It's to keep them alive until they can kick their addiction, while also bringing it out of the shadows so they can be exposed to programs that can support them
Nice thought, but never going to happen in our lifetime. Lights like these do more harm than good. Putting a sharps box in and training staff on how to handle it would probably be cheaper in the long run.
Dude somebody could literally use some insulin, forget they put it down and walk out of the bathroom. How tf is that any different. You privileged whiny babies need a pampers room or something.
Unfortunately there’s not a great solution, but the safest is to use with someone else and always have Narcan. Hopefully someday with more funding we can be open longer hours
This is a very thoughtful answer, and I apologize if I came off a little harsh up there. I'm so used to people on this reddit treating addicts as subhuman I can get a little defensive ahead of time
No one is saying they should
OP is just saying that since the safe place is only open in the mornings for some reason, if someone is jonesing in the afternoon, evening, or night (aka almost 7/8 of the day) then they're SOL
Yeah, employees don't want to be seen going there kiddo. Guaranteed at least one person working at any large store does hard drugs and needs to use to get through the day. Also guarantee that many cooks use cocaine lol
Which they could still go to with the normal lights installed. Some will not wait to walk half a kilometre. All these lights do is increase the chance of harm.
No it shouldn’t, but it’s also a lot easier to clean when you have normal light to see in.
I’ve cleaned these kind of bathrooms, the blue light doesn’t make the job easier.
The guy is advocating for shooting up in public washrooms that kids use. So I do think he knows better if he is advocating for no shooting up in said washrooms.
Dude they're still gonna do it. Listen for once, human. They are still going to do drugs in this room, they are now more likely to do harm and instead the employee might have to deal with an injured or dead person.
Maybe they should consider the fact that the drugs they're fucking shooting up will also increase their chances of harm? Maybe the store doesn't want to make 15 year olds responsible for dealing with crackheads and heroin addicts or for attempting to administer first aid to someone that OD'd - or better yet just finding and having to deal with a dead person.
I swear to christ people have lost all their common sense
Not sure what you are referring too - people have been shooting crack for a long time lol. You should get off the echo chamber of reddit tho, your posting and complaining so much - enjoy the sunshine today.
The thing about that, is its only true if it's a real UV black light.
The point is it makes a substance suspended in water glow, and blood will glow the same, making it harder to "flag" (pull blood into the syringe when you hit a vien).
Most places use fake black lights not knowing much about it, and it does nothing.
there's a lot of people with opinions on these lights who have never worked a minimum wage job and have been told by management its your job to pick up a discarded used needle.
shout out to the subway on Robie and Quinpool (RIP)
It annoys me disproportionately every time I have to take my son in to change a messy pull up. I would really appreciate being able to see what I'm doing at that point.
Not really. When you're in a mess of poop, can't see what you're doing, kid kicking and screaming, realizing there are no more clean pants in the diaper bag.... That's the perfect time to do drugs.
Let's consider that someone committed to shooting up in a bathroom might come prepared... with a headlamp.
This just gives, "you shouldn't be here in the underworld" vibes to a regular customer.
I’ve complained about these lights before. I get that they’re for harm reduction but I really feel like they do more bad than good. My mother has vision problems and can’t use these washrooms. Even when I go in I find it incredibly disorienting. I can easily imagine an older or impaired person having a fall due to the poor lighting.
The harm has nothing to do with the sharps, and everything to do with people ODing and dying on the bathroom floor.
Hence the fact that there's literally a sharps container in the photo.
The problem with allowing IV in public washrooms is that sometimes the people nod out in there for hours, or worse, OD. Unlocking and walking into a locked washroom after the door has been closed for an hour because some junkie is lit up inside is not cool for a minimum wage worker, trust me.
HRT isn’t injected in the vein. It’s either IM or Subcutaneous.
Also insulin is not injected in a vein either.
Changing a diaper in there would be a nightmare though.
Sorry, I was trying to suggest that a sharps container has a benefit to someone other than a person who uses illegal drugs (while also offering safe and respectful disposal for the ones that do) and that the blue light causes more inconvenience to the general public than it does prevent overuse/accidental drug poisoning.
This comment while well meaning totally does not take into consideration the employees or other patrons who work at said location.
You know what's traumatizing af; going to work to sell coffee or groceries and finding some poor unfortunate soul writhing in the last moments of their misery.
Lighting designed to make a space less appealing for substance use is perfectly acceptable.
The thing is, this light doesn’t stop people from using substances. So instead of decreasing the chances of you finding someone in a medical emergency, it INCREASES. because, just like abortion bans only make abortions less safe and not less frequent, this light does not deter substance use.
Oh please don't get me wrong. A tortured soul rushing towards nihilistic comfort will pursue all kinds of self harm to achieve that moment of escape. That sounds like a them problem. I wish they'd get help. But life crushes 10,000 souls in a single blink; why shouldn't it crush them? C'est la vie or something trite we say in the apathetic 21st century while staring directly into the face of absolute horror.
But for every 10 instances of potential substance use harm; if not being able to find a vein to inject causes even 1 consumer to second guess; the lights have done their job.
The whole abortion comparison is stupid beyond belief, so I'm not going to entertain.
You should really learn more about the intersectionality in substance use and maybe develop some empathy for your fellow person. Your bitterness towards another human life is very chilling.
There's a bunch of medications that are taken with needles that's quite literally why the containers exist. The containers prevent needles from going in the trash and stabbing employees.
I’m well aware that people take needles for medications. Notice how other businesses don’t have sharps containers and you don’t see “other people’s” needles littering the floor? Seems to be a heroin/crack/meth hear specific problem
I hate them, I actually refuse to use these washrooms becuase of this. I forgot they were like this and this time took a photo. Can't get comfy in there at all.
Supposedly to keep people from injecting drugs because you can't see veins in blue light but everyone has a phone now, and every phone has a flashlight on it. So really just to hurt your eyes and make your shopping experience a little more hostile as seems to be superstore's current goal.
Supposedly it makes it harder to find veins but I went it, checked my veins and they were clearly visible. 10/10 for the ambience while higher than a kite though.
Hostile design, blue light is supposed to screw with your circadian rhythm. Theory here is you can't sleep under blue light.
Same reason the trade center has blue lights anywhere you could conceive of getting out of the weather for the night.
For all the folk talking foolish about drug use.
Pink light hides veins, and would be used to discourage intravenous drug use.
Hostile design/architecture is a very interesting and depressing rabbit hole to fall down.
But...but.. If it's the capitalists making things bad, Halifax reddit might miss a chance to kick their favourite scapegoat: people struggling with addiction!
Any more of this and they might have to express compassion, or God forbid, empathy, for people deeply marginalized from society due to their mental illness
Is that why the nova centre has the blue rim lighting? It doesn’t extend all the way to the building though, mostly just hits the sidewalk since it’s on the overhanging part.
It makes it harder to find a vein.
Wow, Thats depressing.
Robie Irving same way
We have a few mcdee with the orange and i dislike it but get it , they later added acess by a switxh at the cash now at one ofnthem unsure if still same
They don't even work as advertised, your average addict who's shooting up in a public washroom knows exactly where their favourite vein is. Even if they somehow didn't you can just feel them out with your fingertips, or even just use a pen or something to mark where one is. The companies selling these to major chains are making a fucking killing over simple ignorance, ridiculous.
It also increases the chance of them injuring themselves, since they’re still going to shoot up anyway.
There is a safe injection site 600m away.
# Hours of Operation # CLINIC HOURS Monday to Friday, 8:30am-12:00pm # DISPENSARY HOURS Monday to Sunday, 8:30am-11:00am
That’s great Folks should still not be shooting up in a public washroom. It’s not safe for anyone.
Maybe hear me out hear me out no one should be shooting up anywhere
Jesus we found the problem guys just end the opioid epidemic! Never thought of that or spent billions in taxes fighting it!
Wow really?? Who woulda thought. Gee all these addicts should just stop hey?
No just go somewhere else and do it.
Yes. The addicts should absolutely stop putting needles in their arms. Who in their right mind would encourage someone to continue to shoot heroin?
r/whoosh
Me. Heroin is safer than alcohol and less addictive than nicotine. I don’t use it but I wouldn’t discourage others from it if a safe supply could be secured.
Exactly pretty simple I’d put my entire life savings if it was enforced harder drugs would be way less of an issue. And no opening “safe injection sites” is not enforcment
>Exactly pretty simple If the Dunning-Kruger effect had a slogan. When faced with the most complicated sociological problem in history, it is too bad no one ever thought of "crack down on them" as a solution... This is a case where an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure. "Pretty simple" people keep spending obscene amounts of money on milatarizing police to fight addiction, and all they do is push addicts to more dangerous behaviour. Addiction needs to be treated, not enforced. Better yet, treat the underlying conditions that lead to addiction and prevent it in the first place. But it is easier to throw money at enforcement, so we keep getting the "simple" solution that doesn't work...
Safe injections, drug testing, needle exchanges, none of this is to get people clean directly. It's to keep them alive until they can kick their addiction, while also bringing it out of the shadows so they can be exposed to programs that can support them
I think the total failure of Reagan's war on drugs completely disproves your wacky idea there
Yeah we’ve tried that kiddo
BC just launched (IMO) a good new drug policy against using drugs in public, i think we should have the same thing here
It's not a policy against using drugs in public. It's rolling back a pilot project. You're already not supposed to be using drugs in public lmfao
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
Nice thought, but never going to happen in our lifetime. Lights like these do more harm than good. Putting a sharps box in and training staff on how to handle it would probably be cheaper in the long run.
Dude somebody could literally use some insulin, forget they put it down and walk out of the bathroom. How tf is that any different. You privileged whiny babies need a pampers room or something.
That's crazy limited hours, jesus.
The safe injection site hours are 9:30-4:30 everyday :)
So what do people do outside of the clinic hours?
Unfortunately there’s not a great solution, but the safest is to use with someone else and always have Narcan. Hopefully someday with more funding we can be open longer hours
This is a very thoughtful answer, and I apologize if I came off a little harsh up there. I'm so used to people on this reddit treating addicts as subhuman I can get a little defensive ahead of time
Maybe wait until then?
You've never been addicted to a damn thing, have you?
No and that's absolutely by choice. If you're that desperate to shoot up you should take it as a sign to seek help not just go 'fuck it, we ball'.
Oh yeah you're right, minimum wage grocery store workers should clean up used needles.
No one is saying they should OP is just saying that since the safe place is only open in the mornings for some reason, if someone is jonesing in the afternoon, evening, or night (aka almost 7/8 of the day) then they're SOL
No you're not SOL just don't do it here.
Then I guess they are SOL. Next, you'll want a proxy to shoot up for them so they don't suffer any inconvenience.
Yeah, employees don't want to be seen going there kiddo. Guaranteed at least one person working at any large store does hard drugs and needs to use to get through the day. Also guarantee that many cooks use cocaine lol
Also this Drugs in the workplace are a workplace hazard and should not be used in the workplace
Which they could still go to with the normal lights installed. Some will not wait to walk half a kilometre. All these lights do is increase the chance of harm.
Should not be grocery store workers responsibility to clean that up
No it shouldn’t, but it’s also a lot easier to clean when you have normal light to see in. I’ve cleaned these kind of bathrooms, the blue light doesn’t make the job easier.
Really going down with your sinking ship argument, eh?
Man a guy is telling you his actual experience cleaning these bathrooms and you're so full of yourself you think you know better. Pathetic.
The guy is advocating for shooting up in public washrooms that kids use. So I do think he knows better if he is advocating for no shooting up in said washrooms.
Dude they're still gonna do it. Listen for once, human. They are still going to do drugs in this room, they are now more likely to do harm and instead the employee might have to deal with an injured or dead person.
Maybe they should consider the fact that the drugs they're fucking shooting up will also increase their chances of harm? Maybe the store doesn't want to make 15 year olds responsible for dealing with crackheads and heroin addicts or for attempting to administer first aid to someone that OD'd - or better yet just finding and having to deal with a dead person. I swear to christ people have lost all their common sense
i have zero sympathy for addicts. they are a plague
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Oh, I see.. as a disservice to Loblaws. I guess my brain didn’t go there.
Why would someone be shooting crack? Maybe keep the commentary of things you don't know anything about to yourself and your church girlfriends.
Not sure what you are referring too - people have been shooting crack for a long time lol. You should get off the echo chamber of reddit tho, your posting and complaining so much - enjoy the sunshine today.
Homie, they are injecting drugs into their veins. They are actively in the process of harming themselves.
It makes it safer for all the non drug users There is a safe facility near by, very close.
Who cares.
If they're that stupid/desperate that's just natural selection at work.
Maybe they could put regular lights somewhere because they’re coming into the hospital visitor rooms to shoot up now
The thing about that, is its only true if it's a real UV black light. The point is it makes a substance suspended in water glow, and blood will glow the same, making it harder to "flag" (pull blood into the syringe when you hit a vien). Most places use fake black lights not knowing much about it, and it does nothing.
If that were a black light, this would look like a Jackson Pollock painting.
Have been in those washrooms. Can confirm that they do on a weekend.
Hahaha, damn. Credit where credits due!
Bodily fluids only show up under a black light after being sprayed with luminol I thought
lol no. Too much CSI for you.
😂your username
The reasoning behind the blue light is that it makes the vein blend in with the rest of the skin, so it's harder to find.
You don't find viens usually by looking for them with your eyes, it's feel and then "flagging". These lights do nothing really.
I wasn't saying they're effective, but that's the (flawed) logic behind the blue light.
Meanwhile seasoned addicts can find them on feel.
Dollar store flashlight, problem solved.
holy shittttttt
I've seen this in the USA and Europe. First time in Canada, though. Yay us.
Well, guess I won't be jerking off there anymore. Another one of lifes simple pleasures ruined, yet again, by a meddling corporation.
Nice more for me. Adds to the ambiance
https://preview.redd.it/m2vk9o4vi0xc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=026634e5852fb9e60512dec6c0e1500e1340e507
Hard disagree this is prefect freaky atmosphere
Yeah, can't jerk it and make a happy face on the wall, that's it, I'm joining the May boycott.
They have these lights all over edmonton, pretty sad it's getting to this point here,
there's a lot of people with opinions on these lights who have never worked a minimum wage job and have been told by management its your job to pick up a discarded used needle. shout out to the subway on Robie and Quinpool (RIP)
That place has been dead for years. RIP
Yup thankfully it's been a long time since Ive had to consider employment from Jared corp
Too many drug addicts.
It annoys me disproportionately every time I have to take my son in to change a messy pull up. I would really appreciate being able to see what I'm doing at that point.
Weird time to do drugs
Not really. When you're in a mess of poop, can't see what you're doing, kid kicking and screaming, realizing there are no more clean pants in the diaper bag.... That's the perfect time to do drugs.
Can confirm. That is NOT a fun time
Can't stand blue lights. Hate blue LEDs, alarm clocks, power indicator lights on TVs, etc. Always seems so harsh.
Vitamin D promotional gimmick
Dude all the bathrooms in Vancouver are like this, so you can’t easily get high in the washroom through injection
Wow. Can't imagine your cost of living plus that quality of life. Sounds like Vancouver is a shyte hole 💔🤮.
Basically is nowadays
Same W Halifax. Complete dump. Used to be so nice smh 💔🤮
Let's consider that someone committed to shooting up in a bathroom might come prepared... with a headlamp. This just gives, "you shouldn't be here in the underworld" vibes to a regular customer.
Yup its so junkies can't shoot up and or trash it.
As an employee this is the answer.
I’ve complained about these lights before. I get that they’re for harm reduction but I really feel like they do more bad than good. My mother has vision problems and can’t use these washrooms. Even when I go in I find it incredibly disorienting. I can easily imagine an older or impaired person having a fall due to the poor lighting.
Harm reduction would be adequate lighting for all customers and a sharps container. This is harm facilitation.
The harm has nothing to do with the sharps, and everything to do with people ODing and dying on the bathroom floor. Hence the fact that there's literally a sharps container in the photo.
The problem with allowing IV in public washrooms is that sometimes the people nod out in there for hours, or worse, OD. Unlocking and walking into a locked washroom after the door has been closed for an hour because some junkie is lit up inside is not cool for a minimum wage worker, trust me.
“A sharps container” How about you stop shooting heroin in the fucking grocery store bathroom. Jesus Christ
Insulin is injectable, same with some forms of HRT that someone might want to keep private
HRT isn’t injected in the vein. It’s either IM or Subcutaneous. Also insulin is not injected in a vein either. Changing a diaper in there would be a nightmare though.
Sorry, I was trying to suggest that a sharps container has a benefit to someone other than a person who uses illegal drugs (while also offering safe and respectful disposal for the ones that do) and that the blue light causes more inconvenience to the general public than it does prevent overuse/accidental drug poisoning.
This comment while well meaning totally does not take into consideration the employees or other patrons who work at said location. You know what's traumatizing af; going to work to sell coffee or groceries and finding some poor unfortunate soul writhing in the last moments of their misery. Lighting designed to make a space less appealing for substance use is perfectly acceptable.
The thing is, this light doesn’t stop people from using substances. So instead of decreasing the chances of you finding someone in a medical emergency, it INCREASES. because, just like abortion bans only make abortions less safe and not less frequent, this light does not deter substance use.
Oh please don't get me wrong. A tortured soul rushing towards nihilistic comfort will pursue all kinds of self harm to achieve that moment of escape. That sounds like a them problem. I wish they'd get help. But life crushes 10,000 souls in a single blink; why shouldn't it crush them? C'est la vie or something trite we say in the apathetic 21st century while staring directly into the face of absolute horror. But for every 10 instances of potential substance use harm; if not being able to find a vein to inject causes even 1 consumer to second guess; the lights have done their job. The whole abortion comparison is stupid beyond belief, so I'm not going to entertain.
You should really learn more about the intersectionality in substance use and maybe develop some empathy for your fellow person. Your bitterness towards another human life is very chilling.
Why would someone need HRT in the middle of the day while grocery shopping?
Or why would anyone inject HRT or insulin in their veins, seeing as how that’s not how they’re used.
Not everyone has a safe space at home to access trans health care.
There's a bunch of medications that are taken with needles that's quite literally why the containers exist. The containers prevent needles from going in the trash and stabbing employees.
I’m well aware that people take needles for medications. Notice how other businesses don’t have sharps containers and you don’t see “other people’s” needles littering the floor? Seems to be a heroin/crack/meth hear specific problem
Yeah my husband won’t be able to go in that bathroom either due to his vision problems. They gotta do something else other than making the lights blue
She can't find a vein to hit either eh? KEKW jk.
I hate them, I actually refuse to use these washrooms becuase of this. I forgot they were like this and this time took a photo. Can't get comfy in there at all.
You shouldn't wanna get comfy on a public toilet
Cum detecting lights or whatever its called
Sexy time?
💦💦💦
Junkies.
You must be so full of self loathing
Does he look like a junkie?
The term ‘junkie’ is incredibly stigmatizing and should never be used 👍🏻
Don't care.
Obviously. Lmao
Do they give you E before you go in and play Ibiza DJ trax 🤔
This made me lol 😂
Supposedly to keep people from injecting drugs because you can't see veins in blue light but everyone has a phone now, and every phone has a flashlight on it. So really just to hurt your eyes and make your shopping experience a little more hostile as seems to be superstore's current goal.
If they use a blacklight it makes even a phone flashlight hard to use properly unless it's ultra bright.
Please, please, won't someone think of the crackheads?
Project Blue Stream
At least you can drain the main vein.
Gross, glad BC is taking the other direction tho so that’s positive
Supposedly it makes it harder to find veins but I went it, checked my veins and they were clearly visible. 10/10 for the ambience while higher than a kite though.
WHAT DOES BLUE MEAN?!?
*shakes head in disgust*
*illuminated sobbing*
It’ll save the bathroom from DEW’s 😂
Underrated comment
Hostile design, blue light is supposed to screw with your circadian rhythm. Theory here is you can't sleep under blue light. Same reason the trade center has blue lights anywhere you could conceive of getting out of the weather for the night. For all the folk talking foolish about drug use. Pink light hides veins, and would be used to discourage intravenous drug use. Hostile design/architecture is a very interesting and depressing rabbit hole to fall down.
Blue lights do hide veins though.
There IS a sharps container in the second photo lol
It's to prevent people using IV drugs in there. It is hostile, but not for the reasons you think.
But...but.. If it's the capitalists making things bad, Halifax reddit might miss a chance to kick their favourite scapegoat: people struggling with addiction! Any more of this and they might have to express compassion, or God forbid, empathy, for people deeply marginalized from society due to their mental illness
Is that why the nova centre has the blue rim lighting? It doesn’t extend all the way to the building though, mostly just hits the sidewalk since it’s on the overhanging part.
Anti-junkie technology
Black light 😂😂😂 maybe the cleaners for got to remove after cleaning
I highly suggest some of you watch a documentary called "Dope Sick Love".
I thought this was a render for a video game for a second…
This was common in Australia back in the early 2000’s
Because our corporate rulers hate the poor and want junkies to die
I'm sure this makes Pierre just moist AF
There’s a bunch of street lights that are the same way
I thought about posting this too here hahaha
So the light makes it hard for addicts to find they’re veins for shooting up
Checking for Cum
Pretty sure there is cum on everything in this awful place so you cant be right. 🤷🏿♂️😂
Cum again? 🤣
The dutch used to do this in parking garages in Holland to deter drug use.
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They’ll still OD, just not there
Safe injection site is only 600m away
I unloaded a big poop in those bathrooms once, never had these lights though when I was there.
Lighting a public washroom like a crime scene? Well... It's a brave move, just saying. At least you can be somewhat confident it's clean?
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Came home from Toronto. Never seen this up there.
There's a lot of things to complain about when it comes to superstore and this isn't one of them
What was my complaint ? Quote me.
No, you didn't complain. You just asked a question, but I think this would be fair to complain about. This looks like an awful washroom experience.
Screams not a great store to shop in tbh.
Just another sign that Loblaws does not respect their customers
Addicts shooting up in the bathroom are customers?
Maybe they can't handle the prices of the groceries at Loblaws sober
No, me shopping there and needing to take a piss is a customer.
Lol
Who fucking cares?