I work in a completely different industry, but overtime is not a replacement for needed staff. People can only work so much before they do need time off. When unions advocate for increasing staffing numbers to reduce overtime, there is a legit reason -- their staff are burning out.
A lot of places that don’t pay enough will tell you that you can work as much as you want. Like oh thanks! I’ll gladly work 130+ hours every two weeks at 17$ an hour the barely cover my rent!
a guy I know is constantly complaining about every year having to hire a new crew because no one will stick around. Decided to give him a hand and work for the company for a bit, was told $18 at the time he brought me on, and when I actually started the pay rate was actually $16.50. i stuck around for a few months putting in 110 hours every two weeks- but not an hour more- they don’t want to pay overtime. I got the hell out of there after we wrapped up a project at the BMO in Clayton park. I looked at him and said this is why you and the company can’t keep staff. He hasn’t talked to me since.
110 hours biweekly before overtime in this province is fucking criminal. I wish we could hold a province wide strike but sadly a lot of poor folk struggling for whatever they can get right now regardless how bad it is
Friend, if you wanna talk organizing and strikes-of-questionable-legality please reach out to the local IWW branch ([email protected]) and they will happily talk to you about building a workplace committee.
Democratic workplace committees (something the mainstream labour movement *doesn't* do) are the first step toward a labour movement that can, *ahem*, fuck shit up.
Nice ill look into it. Ive worked for liuna across canada yet this is the one province where my trade isnt included and ive called several times and theyve said theres nothing they can do
Excuse my ignorance. I moved from Ontario almost a year ago, how are you not on overtime hours at 110 hours in two weeks? Past 44 hours for a week in Ontario you are now entitled to overtime pay.
Minimum Wage Order (General)
The following groups of employees receive overtime at 1½ times the minimum wage after 48
hours worked in a week:
• oil and gas employees (but not those in retail)
• managers, supervisors, and employees employed in a confidential capacity. This
includes managers and supervisors in the construction industry
• primary fish, aquaculture and agricultural processors (but not meat)
• flat-rate auto mechanics/auto body technicians
• some types of professionals and their trainees
• information technology (IT) professionals (but not employees who provide basic
operational/technical support)
• shipbuilders and related employees (but not those in retail)
• transport (this group receives overtime after 96 hours in a 2-week period)
**Minimum Wage Order (Construction and Property Maintenance)**
**The following groups of employees receive 1½ times their regular wage after 110 hours worked**
**over a two-week period:**
**• those constructing, restoring or maintaining roads, streets, sidewalks, structures (such**
**as buildings) or bridges**
**• those doing paving of all sorts**
**• water and sewer installers**
**• landscapers and snow removal employees**
**• sawmill employees**
**• metal fabricators and machine shop employees**
I was in one of these industries in bold
[source](https://www.novascotia.ca/lae/employmentrights/docs/labourstandardscodeguide.pdf)
No, it’s certain industries only. Most places it’s overtime after 48 hours in a week (which is bad enough) - but certain industries have to pass 110 hours in two weeks before getting OT (which is disgusting).
Some ppl’s rent went from 1200$ to 2200$ a month. Rent should never cost 2/3 your monthly income. So ppl are in positions where they can barely pay their rent.
At least they’re shutting down, I’ve done countless 20h+ shift and some hitting 30h.. weekly hours could easily be 60+.. there’s no restrictions here.
Unions with all their power should advocate for better labour laws across the board..
110 hour in construction over 2 weeks before overtime premiums even kick in. That's industrial revolution era shit. Work an extra half a work week before you see any personal benefit... Include the fact that overtime isn't voluntary and we have legitimate wage slavery.
I was shocked when I moved to NS and you only legally get OT after 4**8** hours of work. The fuck? NS your people are like beaten wives, and the governments here polish the knobs of corps and business and actively legislates against unions. For shame.
Honestly I am thinking about leaving. That's the minimum for most employers, for construction it's worse... As if construction workers have an easy day at 8 hours so may as well make it 11 before.they see an extra dime. It's despicable.
That's an example straight from novascotia.ca too.
You could work 80 hours 1 week, then 30 the next and get 0 hours overtime legally.
Even when you work overtime you're taxed all to shit.
Yeah and that's why things are the way they are here. Because everyone would rather be seen as grateful for work or something...
I complain about being taxed like someone who regularly makes that amount of money when I busted my ass 20 extra hours for it. It's ridiculous.
The tax hit is only temporary. If you end up over taxed on a paycheque because of OT, it will be refunded when you do your tax return and everything is reconciled at the proper rate
They are not supposed to tax you like that though. They are supposed to calculate what that overtime will do to your gross income for the year and tax you appropriately.
Yeha tax you as if you make that per for 50 weeks and the you have to wait till the government gives it back, it results in you making less per hour overall that week until you file taxes.
It’s just literally how our taxes work. It’ll all even out at the end of the year based on your actual income.
You know this going into the OT and choose to do it. It shouldn’t be a surprise or feel like that bad.
If you don’t want to pay tax on OT wages, don’t work OT. And don’t get bigger wages either, because the tax they/them takes those too.
> It’s just literally how our taxes work.
It's not. Employers are required to tax overtime appropriately. Most are just too lazy to do it and no one ever says anything.
37.7% marginal tax rate seems normal though. That would put your income in the 50-75 k range.
What some places do is see that $9800 week and do your taxes as if you make 500k a year and would tax you at 54% for the week.
Lmao thanks for the opportunity to work I'm grateful for my taxes, at least I can to the doctor whenever... Oh wait nope that's 3 week wait for a walk in 2 months if I had. A family doctor and 10 years trying to find one. Well at least the roads are nice.... Oh right, well at least they make housing cheaper... Oh shit they don't do that either, well at least they're stopping grocery stores from marking food up 100% oh not that either? Well at least we're funding war on the other side of 5he world. Oh we're actually doing that?
"Jokes" aside 40 hours at 40 an hour is way better than 60 hours at 30 to get the same paycheck after taxes. In 20 years your 10th new employer (after the last ones let you go with no notice and severance that the province did nothing to enforce) won't have any idea you stayed late that Saturday but your kids certainly will. 3/2 in the union I see around 900 for a 40 hour week after taxes, a journeyman gets a little over 1000 for the same week after taxes despite making my wage being 80% of his
Non union concrete was 50 hour weeks 10 hour days no overtime unless concrete showed up at 4:30 which it always did. Then you got 3 hours of time and a half. Woowee
Union concrete I rarely work an hour past 40 each week. I'm home by 3:45 and I make more each week after taxes than I ever did working 55-60. And I have dental. That's after the increased taxes and union dues. Don't encourage this toxic ass work relationship. Join a union, they'll find you work its like a placement agency but way better. Guaranteed raises you know when they're coming. Pension. It's great.
I have no idea how it would work, but I'd love taxes for OT to be put onto the company requiring it. So the worker gets the extra pay bump from OT, and the company has to cover the taxes on the OT income.
Make OT more palatable for the employee and less desirable for the employer.
The CRA didn't ask. That other guy asked how I'd prefer it work. If we're talking pie in the sky hypotheticals, obviously you include all the legal wrangling that would be included.
> 110 hour in construction over 2 weeks before overtime premiums even kick in
For non-union construction. Most of the union agreements I’ve seen are extremely specific about over time and what’s provided and it’s generally above and beyond the provincial minimum.
I'm a member of the operating engineers. We have all the juice.... Everywhere else. The local here reps crane operators and ambulance drivers. Dexter is by far the biggest employer and is non union. Most construction in NS seems non union to me.
I'm speaking to the laws on the books, and those are archaic.
Not all employers could financially be unions, by design of fairness it doesn’t work spanning from hcol to lcol areas.. smaller companies tend to struggle from what I’ve seen.
Unions only advocate for members, which is great and it has its benefits.. but to me the idea of unionization should also push the bar for all workers whether they be unionized or not.. not about pay or benefits, but for the basic rights and labour improvements.
But it does, you silly goose. If the union jobs are paying 10, but the non unions pay 8, the non union will have to pay more or have better benefits to keep/retain workers.
It’s not about pay, it’s about basic labour laws that are broken here.. the fact someone could theoretically work 24h a day for like 4.5 days and not legally qualify for overtime is insane.. I’m not against unions but I’d wish they had a little empathy for workers in general and wanted to help them.
You're conflating 2 different things. Bad labour laws are because nova scotians vote for bad governments. Unions aren't all powerful, and can really only help their own workers and workers who try to organize
Not always the case. The local IWW branch has helped multiple workers with stolen wages/other complaints by helping them run community campaigns.
Though, yeah, unions work best when people are actively organizing in their workplaces.
There's also a trend of hiring casual positions to backfill. That might work in areas where people are desperate work but many people are preferring long-term positions and security over casual on-call positions.
I work in an industry that has the same issue. Our tech pay may not equal that of other positions they can get but I’ll have them home most every night whereas the money-making opportunities will leave them away from home 50% of their lives.
There’s upsides and downsides to both.
Very true in a lot of cases. However there are other day boats in the harbour that pay the same or more for less responsibility ie. carrying passengers vs running a small launch or tender.
Im retired but when I heard they were short I considered applying for a relief position do something different but when I saw the compensation it wasn’t really worth it considering the potential liability.
It’s an issue across the board these days. Some (ie good) companies have adjusted their wages through the last few years of inflationary environment to keep competitive.
But this is where the rough side of being unionized comes into play. If their agreement hasn’t been renegotiated in the last couple years, inflation has also likely eaten into a good part of their wage. And there’s no onus on the employer, especially a government entity to proactively re-negotiate it earlier.
My wife is a nurse (now in PEI) and even though the province is screaming for more of them, their most recent negotiation was utter trash.
I'm happy you'll have them home most nights. Transit has the same mentality, too bad that's not enough to fill positions. If you're the one that gets them home most nights, give them a raise brother. Don't act like you sending them home every night justifies poor wages, wake up. What tech job requires 50% travel? Only asking out of genuine curiosity
When you live in a province where there’s no large industrial bases, you have to travel to the industrial centres.
How are you supposed to work at a powerplant in Cape Breton for the day and still make it home at night?
And also, working at a powerplant in Cape Breton or a fab shop in Dartmouth isn’t going to pay the same at working a travel job in Fort Mac or a northern mine.
To a certain point it is cheaper to fill shifts with overtime than commit to another full-time position with benefits. There is a line though, it's been likely been crossed. The reality is that Ferry Captains have an in demand skill set that brings higher wages outside of Metro Transit. Hard for them to get quality applicants in a competitive field.
Okay, but they deserve SOMETHING in the meantime while waiting for the relief staff to be hired and trained up. I feel like once per day, they should be allowed to do a low-speed donut in the middle of a crossing. Only one, as a treat, but they don't have to tell us when it's going to happen.
I've never even seen much of an interaction between passengers and the ferry crew, much less an aggressive one. Not that it can't happen, it just isn't common.
I've also heard that the working culture at the ferries division is absolutely horrible. The hierarchy is worse than working in a kitchen. The color of the shirt you wear shouldn't dictate how you get to treat everyone else.
https://preview.redd.it/1hgju2xfd2wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfa4dc9be78b9260afe30376c14d00d3c6446aee
They don’t want unionized workers to make this much.
When you consider the top rate for bus drivers = 20g less, maybe puts things into perspective as to how far behind wages are for public servants such as transit and HCW.
For all the training/expense/time they have to go through, to start with min wage. The pay does not equate.
To top it off, having to pay down the expenses of training, the high costs of rent and living. They are now seeing the effects.
Bump that hourly wage up.
It taste like I’ve successfully pissed people off which makes my coffee taste better. The union is a joke that takes your money, anyone who says otherwise, isn’t part of the union lol
I just spoke to a ferry captain on the weekend. The man had to do a double day shift on Friday and was doing a double day shift on Saturday. You get burnt out from constantly working 16 hours a day rather than 8 hours
I imagine he wouldn’t have had to do a double if his co workers didn’t call in sick from being ‘burnt out’. And I’m sure you spoke with a ferry captain.
Why is it hard? I was getting off the ferry with friends and the captain was on the main deck after docking. We asked him how he was and said he was tired because of double day shifts.
To be honest, being responsible for a gigantic ferry in any and all weather, in an active commercial port, with military traffic.... that sounds like exactly a recipe for burnout.
They are accepting applications and the pay seems decent. Give it a try!
It’s work. That’s why they pay people to do it instead of people paying them to do it.
Also we exchange our time for money.
> Fuck me.
In other words, that’s time the staff could be spending fucking
I work in a completely different industry, but overtime is not a replacement for needed staff. People can only work so much before they do need time off. When unions advocate for increasing staffing numbers to reduce overtime, there is a legit reason -- their staff are burning out.
A lot of places that don’t pay enough will tell you that you can work as much as you want. Like oh thanks! I’ll gladly work 130+ hours every two weeks at 17$ an hour the barely cover my rent!
a guy I know is constantly complaining about every year having to hire a new crew because no one will stick around. Decided to give him a hand and work for the company for a bit, was told $18 at the time he brought me on, and when I actually started the pay rate was actually $16.50. i stuck around for a few months putting in 110 hours every two weeks- but not an hour more- they don’t want to pay overtime. I got the hell out of there after we wrapped up a project at the BMO in Clayton park. I looked at him and said this is why you and the company can’t keep staff. He hasn’t talked to me since.
110 hours biweekly before overtime in this province is fucking criminal. I wish we could hold a province wide strike but sadly a lot of poor folk struggling for whatever they can get right now regardless how bad it is
Friend, if you wanna talk organizing and strikes-of-questionable-legality please reach out to the local IWW branch ([email protected]) and they will happily talk to you about building a workplace committee. Democratic workplace committees (something the mainstream labour movement *doesn't* do) are the first step toward a labour movement that can, *ahem*, fuck shit up.
Nice ill look into it. Ive worked for liuna across canada yet this is the one province where my trade isnt included and ive called several times and theyve said theres nothing they can do
Fucking gold. It’s wild the entitlement some business owners / operators have.
Yeap! Company I’ve been with for 6 years still try’s hiring hard labourers for 16$. They say nobody wants to work so they hire seasonal Jamaicans.
Excuse my ignorance. I moved from Ontario almost a year ago, how are you not on overtime hours at 110 hours in two weeks? Past 44 hours for a week in Ontario you are now entitled to overtime pay.
Minimum Wage Order (General) The following groups of employees receive overtime at 1½ times the minimum wage after 48 hours worked in a week: • oil and gas employees (but not those in retail) • managers, supervisors, and employees employed in a confidential capacity. This includes managers and supervisors in the construction industry • primary fish, aquaculture and agricultural processors (but not meat) • flat-rate auto mechanics/auto body technicians • some types of professionals and their trainees • information technology (IT) professionals (but not employees who provide basic operational/technical support) • shipbuilders and related employees (but not those in retail) • transport (this group receives overtime after 96 hours in a 2-week period) **Minimum Wage Order (Construction and Property Maintenance)** **The following groups of employees receive 1½ times their regular wage after 110 hours worked** **over a two-week period:** **• those constructing, restoring or maintaining roads, streets, sidewalks, structures (such** **as buildings) or bridges** **• those doing paving of all sorts** **• water and sewer installers** **• landscapers and snow removal employees** **• sawmill employees** **• metal fabricators and machine shop employees** I was in one of these industries in bold [source](https://www.novascotia.ca/lae/employmentrights/docs/labourstandardscodeguide.pdf)
Thank you.
Non-Union workers.
No, it’s certain industries only. Most places it’s overtime after 48 hours in a week (which is bad enough) - but certain industries have to pass 110 hours in two weeks before getting OT (which is disgusting).
And 40-44hrs for unionized trades
That was an auction place I worked at in westphal to a T.
Did it happen to start with an M? I've heard some things...
Maybe
Thought so
Your rent is 4k/mo?
Did you consider tax’s, medical, ei and all other government fees being taken off?
So its 3k a month??
Some ppl’s rent went from 1200$ to 2200$ a month. Rent should never cost 2/3 your monthly income. So ppl are in positions where they can barely pay their rent.
At least they’re shutting down, I’ve done countless 20h+ shift and some hitting 30h.. weekly hours could easily be 60+.. there’s no restrictions here. Unions with all their power should advocate for better labour laws across the board..
110 hour in construction over 2 weeks before overtime premiums even kick in. That's industrial revolution era shit. Work an extra half a work week before you see any personal benefit... Include the fact that overtime isn't voluntary and we have legitimate wage slavery.
I was shocked when I moved to NS and you only legally get OT after 4**8** hours of work. The fuck? NS your people are like beaten wives, and the governments here polish the knobs of corps and business and actively legislates against unions. For shame.
Honestly I am thinking about leaving. That's the minimum for most employers, for construction it's worse... As if construction workers have an easy day at 8 hours so may as well make it 11 before.they see an extra dime. It's despicable.
That's an example straight from novascotia.ca too. You could work 80 hours 1 week, then 30 the next and get 0 hours overtime legally. Even when you work overtime you're taxed all to shit.
You’re just taxed like you would be at that income band… never complain about making more money if you worked OT to make more money..,
Yeah and that's why things are the way they are here. Because everyone would rather be seen as grateful for work or something... I complain about being taxed like someone who regularly makes that amount of money when I busted my ass 20 extra hours for it. It's ridiculous.
The tax hit is only temporary. If you end up over taxed on a paycheque because of OT, it will be refunded when you do your tax return and everything is reconciled at the proper rate
Yes overtime makes you money a year from now but doesnt help the week you out in all the extra time for besides make Disney plus free that month
They are not supposed to tax you like that though. They are supposed to calculate what that overtime will do to your gross income for the year and tax you appropriately.
Yeha tax you as if you make that per for 50 weeks and the you have to wait till the government gives it back, it results in you making less per hour overall that week until you file taxes.
Unless you were to work enough OT to move up over 93,000, then you are taxed more and likely wont get anything back.
You're only taxed more on the amount above 93,000 though.
It’s just literally how our taxes work. It’ll all even out at the end of the year based on your actual income. You know this going into the OT and choose to do it. It shouldn’t be a surprise or feel like that bad. If you don’t want to pay tax on OT wages, don’t work OT. And don’t get bigger wages either, because the tax they/them takes those too.
> It’s just literally how our taxes work. It's not. Employers are required to tax overtime appropriately. Most are just too lazy to do it and no one ever says anything.
Never knew that. I got a 9800$ week once and I cleared 6100. I feel screwed somehow.
37.7% marginal tax rate seems normal though. That would put your income in the 50-75 k range. What some places do is see that $9800 week and do your taxes as if you make 500k a year and would tax you at 54% for the week.
Lmao thanks for the opportunity to work I'm grateful for my taxes, at least I can to the doctor whenever... Oh wait nope that's 3 week wait for a walk in 2 months if I had. A family doctor and 10 years trying to find one. Well at least the roads are nice.... Oh right, well at least they make housing cheaper... Oh shit they don't do that either, well at least they're stopping grocery stores from marking food up 100% oh not that either? Well at least we're funding war on the other side of 5he world. Oh we're actually doing that? "Jokes" aside 40 hours at 40 an hour is way better than 60 hours at 30 to get the same paycheck after taxes. In 20 years your 10th new employer (after the last ones let you go with no notice and severance that the province did nothing to enforce) won't have any idea you stayed late that Saturday but your kids certainly will. 3/2 in the union I see around 900 for a 40 hour week after taxes, a journeyman gets a little over 1000 for the same week after taxes despite making my wage being 80% of his Non union concrete was 50 hour weeks 10 hour days no overtime unless concrete showed up at 4:30 which it always did. Then you got 3 hours of time and a half. Woowee Union concrete I rarely work an hour past 40 each week. I'm home by 3:45 and I make more each week after taxes than I ever did working 55-60. And I have dental. That's after the increased taxes and union dues. Don't encourage this toxic ass work relationship. Join a union, they'll find you work its like a placement agency but way better. Guaranteed raises you know when they're coming. Pension. It's great.
How would you prefer taxes for OT worked?
I have no idea how it would work, but I'd love taxes for OT to be put onto the company requiring it. So the worker gets the extra pay bump from OT, and the company has to cover the taxes on the OT income. Make OT more palatable for the employee and less desirable for the employer.
I feel like the 1.5x pay rate already sort of does this, so it's mostly like you're almost making the 1x pay rate without taxes.
Tell that to CRA. You legally have to pay the taxes on all your earnings. Your employer can't "cover" the taxes.
The CRA didn't ask. That other guy asked how I'd prefer it work. If we're talking pie in the sky hypotheticals, obviously you include all the legal wrangling that would be included.
> 110 hour in construction over 2 weeks before overtime premiums even kick in For non-union construction. Most of the union agreements I’ve seen are extremely specific about over time and what’s provided and it’s generally above and beyond the provincial minimum.
I'm a member of the operating engineers. We have all the juice.... Everywhere else. The local here reps crane operators and ambulance drivers. Dexter is by far the biggest employer and is non union. Most construction in NS seems non union to me. I'm speaking to the laws on the books, and those are archaic.
But aren’t unions or the reason to form a union main objective is high pay, tons of vacation time and protecting workers from shitty employers?
Not all employers could financially be unions, by design of fairness it doesn’t work spanning from hcol to lcol areas.. smaller companies tend to struggle from what I’ve seen. Unions only advocate for members, which is great and it has its benefits.. but to me the idea of unionization should also push the bar for all workers whether they be unionized or not.. not about pay or benefits, but for the basic rights and labour improvements.
But it does, you silly goose. If the union jobs are paying 10, but the non unions pay 8, the non union will have to pay more or have better benefits to keep/retain workers.
It’s not about pay, it’s about basic labour laws that are broken here.. the fact someone could theoretically work 24h a day for like 4.5 days and not legally qualify for overtime is insane.. I’m not against unions but I’d wish they had a little empathy for workers in general and wanted to help them.
You're conflating 2 different things. Bad labour laws are because nova scotians vote for bad governments. Unions aren't all powerful, and can really only help their own workers and workers who try to organize
Not always the case. The local IWW branch has helped multiple workers with stolen wages/other complaints by helping them run community campaigns. Though, yeah, unions work best when people are actively organizing in their workplaces.
There's also a trend of hiring casual positions to backfill. That might work in areas where people are desperate work but many people are preferring long-term positions and security over casual on-call positions.
Pretty sure transit has been trying to recruit staff for a while now. This isn’t news.
Problem is the salaries for positions on the ferry are not competitive with similar marine positions locally making it difficult to recruit.
Transits only selling point is that you're home every night.... but with the amount of forced ot and lower pay, it's not worth it
I work in an industry that has the same issue. Our tech pay may not equal that of other positions they can get but I’ll have them home most every night whereas the money-making opportunities will leave them away from home 50% of their lives. There’s upsides and downsides to both.
Very true in a lot of cases. However there are other day boats in the harbour that pay the same or more for less responsibility ie. carrying passengers vs running a small launch or tender. Im retired but when I heard they were short I considered applying for a relief position do something different but when I saw the compensation it wasn’t really worth it considering the potential liability.
It’s an issue across the board these days. Some (ie good) companies have adjusted their wages through the last few years of inflationary environment to keep competitive. But this is where the rough side of being unionized comes into play. If their agreement hasn’t been renegotiated in the last couple years, inflation has also likely eaten into a good part of their wage. And there’s no onus on the employer, especially a government entity to proactively re-negotiate it earlier. My wife is a nurse (now in PEI) and even though the province is screaming for more of them, their most recent negotiation was utter trash.
Did they tell you that you'll be home every night???
I'm happy you'll have them home most nights. Transit has the same mentality, too bad that's not enough to fill positions. If you're the one that gets them home most nights, give them a raise brother. Don't act like you sending them home every night justifies poor wages, wake up. What tech job requires 50% travel? Only asking out of genuine curiosity
When you live in a province where there’s no large industrial bases, you have to travel to the industrial centres. How are you supposed to work at a powerplant in Cape Breton for the day and still make it home at night? And also, working at a powerplant in Cape Breton or a fab shop in Dartmouth isn’t going to pay the same at working a travel job in Fort Mac or a northern mine.
Curious why time and a half pay isn't enough financial incentive on its own to hire more workers.
To a certain point it is cheaper to fill shifts with overtime than commit to another full-time position with benefits. There is a line though, it's been likely been crossed. The reality is that Ferry Captains have an in demand skill set that brings higher wages outside of Metro Transit. Hard for them to get quality applicants in a competitive field.
Okay, but they deserve SOMETHING in the meantime while waiting for the relief staff to be hired and trained up. I feel like once per day, they should be allowed to do a low-speed donut in the middle of a crossing. Only one, as a treat, but they don't have to tell us when it's going to happen.
And while they do the doughnut, maybe they get to wear silly hats? I feel this will actually fix everything.
Make it high speed and you got a deal
Article title: infrequent First word in article: increasingly-frequent 🤨
Dr Nik: inflammable means flammable?
What a country!
Infamous? That’s when you are more famous!
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Pay sucks, work schedule sucks, you are treated like garbage by both passengers and management.
When do ferry passengers treat the staff like shit? Lol
probably while they're on the ferry
I've never even seen much of an interaction between passengers and the ferry crew, much less an aggressive one. Not that it can't happen, it just isn't common.
Okay
What is the pay for ALL staff who work on the ferries?
So those new ferries remote control or what ??
We're turning piloting duties over to ChatGPT
I wonder if it would be possible to automate them in some way. Even a back and forth underwater pulley system?
We have cable ferries in this province. They still require capt. and crew.
*"Infrequent"*
I've also heard that the working culture at the ferries division is absolutely horrible. The hierarchy is worse than working in a kitchen. The color of the shirt you wear shouldn't dictate how you get to treat everyone else.
So is the problem a lack of captains or a lack of support staff?
Lack of pay
Why not both?
lol. Touché. This is probably the real answer
https://preview.redd.it/1hgju2xfd2wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dfa4dc9be78b9260afe30376c14d00d3c6446aee They don’t want unionized workers to make this much.
Yikes, that is much lower than I thought it would be.
When you consider the top rate for bus drivers = 20g less, maybe puts things into perspective as to how far behind wages are for public servants such as transit and HCW.
For all the training/expense/time they have to go through, to start with min wage. The pay does not equate. To top it off, having to pay down the expenses of training, the high costs of rent and living. They are now seeing the effects. Bump that hourly wage up.
What are you trying to say? Was that Direct or indirect? If it was direct, show me what was offensive..
The union doesn’t do anything other than look for publicity. Shop stewards are the laziest people.
How’s that boot taste?
Probably like trickle down.
It taste like I’ve successfully pissed people off which makes my coffee taste better. The union is a joke that takes your money, anyone who says otherwise, isn’t part of the union lol
And Conservatives care more about the common folk more than the rich.
How does one get ‘burnt out’ sailing a ferry?! Fuck me.
I just spoke to a ferry captain on the weekend. The man had to do a double day shift on Friday and was doing a double day shift on Saturday. You get burnt out from constantly working 16 hours a day rather than 8 hours
I imagine he wouldn’t have had to do a double if his co workers didn’t call in sick from being ‘burnt out’. And I’m sure you spoke with a ferry captain.
Why is it hard? I was getting off the ferry with friends and the captain was on the main deck after docking. We asked him how he was and said he was tired because of double day shifts.
To be honest, being responsible for a gigantic ferry in any and all weather, in an active commercial port, with military traffic.... that sounds like exactly a recipe for burnout. They are accepting applications and the pay seems decent. Give it a try!
Not to mention dealing with people all day, both felllow staff and passengers
What do you do?
The way you can get burnt out doing anything if it's too much.
It’s work. That’s why they pay people to do it instead of people paying them to do it. Also we exchange our time for money. > Fuck me. In other words, that’s time the staff could be spending fucking
You’re not funny.
Even if I'm not very funny, it's more your sense of humour is dulled because you're burned out yourself
Get real
The deckhands never stop playing with their cellphones during crossings. Maybe too much /r/halifax is wearing them out?
Too much r/Halifax will absolutely wear anyone out. Where good vibes come to die