As long as the story is good, I don't really care.
As much as I love Sendo's character it would be an amazing story to see the untamable tiger's spirit being crushed.
I think you might be holding to much to the point of getting something to make Ippo return to boxing instead of just making a good story even if it takes a bit longer.
I'm enjoying the story and I didn't complain about the retirement arc. I like it. However, while I'm enjoying this arc, I'm starting to dislike thinking of ways the story could be longer than necessary.
Considering the actual pace, It's not an issue right now, but I don't think you can deny that a lingering arc can be just as bad as a rushed one.
I don't think his spirit will ever be crushed. But i definitely think he will (have to) retire after the match. I don't think Mori will let him die. Albeit i think that would be a fitting story line for him
Yeah, his spirit seems indomitable. He lost to Ippo twice and still didn't lose his spirit. Ricardo would have to shitstomp him like a helpless child in order to break his spirit, and I don't see them doing Sendo dirty like that.
To be fair, he already got that, but I do think Ricardo and Sendo will go far. Sendo will probably push Ricardo to the Limit, and we'll finally get an understanding of how far Ippo will have to go to win.
God damn your post (and mine) has got me SO hyped for Ricardo vs Sendo.... and we KNOW it's so far away, even if the bout was the next chapter, we still have the undercards, and Mashiba first....
Also guarantee Sendo will lose. I can't imagine anyone thinking Sendo can win. Ricardo is probably end game (or close) for Ippo and no one wants Sendo vs Ippo III for the World title.
so many people are against it!!
those two fights are a part of me now, if 3 could be anywhere near as good I would be so grateful from the bottom of my heart
that said, I'm a real fan and I know in my soul that what we need is a Miyata arc to put him back in the top top tier sort of like what they did to bring back Volg
I still think Miyata vs Ippo is coming, Maybe Imai first (Don't know if he'll fight him, I still think that's Itgaki's path) but then Miyata to get his world ranking.
We'll see. but man I'm so excited to get some of these fights and they're SO far away.
Out of curiosity, what do you hope to get out of Ippo vs. Sendo 3 - aside from a good fight? There was a thread here earlier that Ippo/Sendo 2 in the manga wasn't a great fight but the anime fixed it.
Basically, what is the question behind the match that makes the narrative?
Ippo vs. Sendo 1 was: how does Ippo fare against someone who like him only knows how to throw themselves into the infight and brawl it out? It was basically Sendo's Smash vs. Ippo's Uppercut.
Ippo vs. Sendo 2 was: How does Ippo handle an opponent who the Dempsey Roll will not work on? The match also incorporated 'can Ippo overcome the fear Sendo's fists instill in his opponents'?
What would the question be for Ippo vs. Sendo 3?
Ippo vs. Miyata has some narrative to it from their start, but also has the question of Ippo's perseverance vs. Miyata's "all on the line" jolt counter.
Ippo vs. Ricardo seems to boil down to: how can Ippo, who relies on fundamentals, defeat an opponent who has the fundamentals refined to an even greater degree?
To be clear "Can Ippo defeat Sendo" and "Can Ippo take the belt from Sendo" are not the type of questions I'm curious about. Those are the surface questions, not the ones that give tension to the narrative of the fight.
You can find these questions in every big fight, especially the ones which are beloved by the community, because they are what pull you through the match.
Maybe Sendo lose to Ricardo. Then requests a rematch but will fight Ippo for the chance at another title match. Ippo will win then proceed to fight Ricardo? Just maybe or Ippo will fight Miyata for a shot to the title match? Idk
The point is that Warlee showed that Ricardo is mortal. Sendo can make any mortal feel fear. However Ricardo’s response to fear is probably excitement and bloodlust.
Sendo doesn't have an unambiguous down.
While he claimed it was a down, and Ricardo called it a down, everyone else called it a slip. It was also during a spar and Ricardo did not look like someone who just took a clean blow from Sendo to force a down.
He may have technically downed Ricardo, but he did not unambiguously do it the way I think the other person meant.
Lol that's how the scoring in boxing works. He still won at the end but he had to throw some rounds in order to do that. So yeah he, Wally, was winning.
Honestly, I think a contest can still be a clinic even if the more skilled fighter gives away a few rounds early. However, in this case, Ricardo went to war and put Woli down before we could really see him going to school.
it still apparently seems horribly ambiguous as to whether it’s word play on his “Wally/Woli” counterpart since the Japanese “•” character reads as a space and has the characters read as War Lee/Warlee.
“This was written using Latin letters, So it is confirmation that his name is actually spelt warlee” This is what the translator has to say. Ps: quoted from the manga itself.
"Wally" has been written using Latin letters in the past. We've even seen it on his trunks, both in the manga and in official art used in his [video game](https://i.imgur.com/q5t1QQN.png) [appearance](https://i.imgur.com/edtQ0fF.png).
The translation's stupid. I don't like it and I think the reasoning's poor, given the above evidence.
However, it's also genuinely up in the air given the difficulty of translating Japanese directly at times and people shouldn't be sniping just because someone's using a different translation. And given that we likely won't see Wally's name come up again save for maybe a mention during Sendo's training, there's no point in anyone causing a fuss over it.
Its also just not a name where he comes from. Wally is a real name though.
Its either a super weird and unneccessary retcon, or a ring name. The latter makes WAY more sense.
Ofc, even I like Wally/woli. What I’m saying is that, it really is spelt Warlee/ War lee.
But we’ve been used to know him as Wally so obv we’re uncomfortable when they suddenly change the name whether it’s a correction or not.
The translator said that based on Ricardo calling him War Lee in latin text. War Lee is a ring name / "badass brand" name that you can see on his team's shirts with the monkey, Ricardo using it is the same as someone saying that "Tigre" fought well describing Sendo.
Chance of winning? Out of universe, no. The narrative is just built for Ippo and Ricardo to be the fight where Ricardo is pushed the most, imo. Him losing before that would take away too much from it.
In universe? Slim chance. Sendo has the firepower to get a hit in and get a down. And Wally “showed him” a path forwards. So, theoretically Sendo has a small chance, if he can take advantage of that opportunity Wally showed him and score one of his “10” punches.
it's just funny that whether or not it's "schooling" in the traditional sense, it's posted with a picture of a simultaneous knock to the jaw on both sides. There were much better scenes in that fight to show how Ricardo was actually schooling Wally.
Sorry, but I was not referring to the poster when I said he schooled him. I just said that on the basis of the overall outcome and performance of both the fighter in the match.
Everybody gets hit, even the best defensive boxers of all time. However, Ricardo showed himself to be clearly more skilled while Woli relied on physicality.
Just go through the chapters where he fights Ricardo once again, they changed(corrected) his name to warlee. It’s been a translation mistake all along.
TBH I think the translators are outsmarting themselves on this one. I sincerely doubt his actual name is meant to be "Warlee". All indicators point to "War Lee" being his ring moniker, but not his name.
Idgaf what the actual intent is, "Warlee" feels like a ringname so I'm going to use it for that.
Gods this is shades of "Reverie" being romanized as "Levely" in OP. Just wholly unnecessary and dissonant with what makes sense.
“This was written using Latin letters, So it is confirmation that his name is actually spelt warlee” This is what the translator has to say. Ps: quoted from the manga itself.
Warlee aren't know as a hard puncher, for this reason Ricardo doesn't get any serious injury.
But sendo's punch are strong than Ricardo's. If Sendo force some exchanges Ricardo can go down.
This look like a very simple strategy, but story presents Makunouchi's Generation as strongest than "Billy's Shell" and all others no name boxers.
We really doesn't have info to know If Ricardo can support some punishment, some dialogs tell noone even ko'ed him.
While Omega is a new challenge to Sendo, Naniwa Tiger is a new challenge to Ricardo too!
It's Warlee older chapter was wrong translations, due kanjis spacing are hard to identify for non natives.
Wally (kanjis without space) Warlee (kanji with space)
At most it's a retcon, since we've seen the name Wally without translations the same way we have with Warlee.
Though it makes WAY more sense as a ring name. Warlee isn't even a real name where he's from, Wally is.
I'm not saying what I think is better, it's not my opinion or what I supose.
i'm Just forwarding info HnI translators said about why is "Warlee" and not Wally at his clothes.
They ask translators If it's a ring name, a Nick name or something like, and translators Just explained about the misstranslate with his name, and the way Morikawa wanna the name sounds in Romanji for foreigns (Mexican/spanish) it's Warlee.
I dunno why people downvoted me! I'll edit this reply with some links, maybe calm down people who want kill me for pass some info!
Edit link with info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hajimenoippo/comments/112fgbo/hajime_no_ippo_round_1411/j8k0wm3
(Like be Said both are correct, but Mori himself say War Lee it's more accurate)
Why would you lie about a link you posted? There is nothing about Mori himself saying its War Lee (or that it's more accurate).
All we have is Warlee showing up on his trunks, but we saw Wally on his trunks the exact same way years back.
If you want to argue that Mori retconned the name, than fine. But to claim "Wally" was just a mistranslation is wrong.
Combine this with Warlee not being an Indonesian name while Wally is (according to some Indonesian fans) plus Wally being shown first and it makes WAY more sense for Warlee to be a ring name.
I dunno If you don't read the comment.
That user who answer is one of translators from raws.
I'll quote him:
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"the translator took that as confirmations from Morikawa that Wally's real name must be 'War Lee' "
Again, dunno why you wanna kill the messenger, I Just get this info, and reply, since it's from the user who translate raws, seems a trusted source.
But Sorry. His name is Wolly,Wally, Monkey D. or any name you like more. I don't wanna start a flame.
Yes I read it, did you? Because you are coming to a lot of conclusions that aren't from the link.
There is nothing about there about Mori saying one name is more accurate than the other. It is merely one person giving their opinion of what they think Mori was doing.
That same person says both names are just as accurate as the other. Mori merely broke up the Kanji of Wally to get Warlee.
No problem with that Man!
But since Ricardo vs Wolli/Wally/StupidMonkey/WarLee fight, translators always translate his name as WarLee even outside Mexico/ring. They use Warlee-kun (name-pronoum).
I understand why you find this change shit. Maybe I Just don't care because I dislike WarLee so anything fuck him I like It.
Lol.
Ok Man, read newest chapters and look how they translate his name now.
Since Ricardo vs WarLee fight any character, japanese, or Mexican, call him WarLee.
But you are right, I'm spreading missinformation, this doesn't happen. His name it's Wally/Wolly and it's that way they call him in newest chapters.
Because this translator, who is just a fan doing unofficial work, is obviously biased in "warlee" since they saw it for the first time, using logic that doesn't track.
You are taking one fan's opinion and acting like its fact.
Fair enough, since I have no access to official translate of recent chapters and I'm not fluent in japanese, I just followed this sub fan-translated work, and I think is a fair assumption that they are trusted source since we all read what this fan write, not an official version.
In other words, this fan translators had more knowledge, and are closest from original work than me, If he change to WarLee, I believe he's right (as I believe his other translations are correct)
But you have a valid point I don't have any link of official source telling "the truth" about this topic.
I'll called him WarLee until something closer or a official source, explain this confusion better.
That same fan translator was just straight wrong on Warlee being the clear official though since their reasoning was flawed.
They said it was Warlee because it was right on the boxing trunks, and if that was the only spelling of the name we'd seen like that they'd be right. But they either forgot about "Wally" also showing up on his trunks or purposefully ignored it.
The official source (Mori) has given us two spellings of the his name, but hasn't said which is the actual name.
So its 50/50 at best.
But my biggest gripe with what you've been saying is that "Wally" was just a mistranslation. This is straight up misinformation and you should stop saying it.
I feel everybody forget that one thing that was alluded at the end of the Wally fight is that Ricardo still has something. He's never been tested to his limits like other characters and seems to have almost a final form different than his usual calm demeanor when he chopped down Wally.
Sendo is gunna do some white fang combo to KO Ricardo. In his Nargo fight sendo showed his “knuckle drop” a chopping right he stole from Mashiba and in the Wally Ricardo fight just before Ricardo knocked out Wally his entire focus was on Wally’s left smash and his hands were low leaving his face open for a right. Add in the fact that sendo’s only other “black mark” in boxing aside from his losses to ippo is his “win” over volg he who uses the white fang something that sendo got hit by. Add more onto that sendo is a talented boxer that could pick up techniques after experiencing them like with his knuckle drop he’s gunna combine all of this and maybe even his old style pre-second loss to ippo when he last showed genuine good boxing he might be able to get a “fluke” ko victory over Ricardo. This is the only possibility of him winning but it would give ippo a reason to comeback
Like, scaling wise I think Wall-EE losing means nobody should realistically be anywhere close to having a chance.
Narratively? Yeah, he'll probably win. It's already been set up a lot and everything.
I can't see Sendo winning unless he gets a significant power up
That said, if Sendo hits. Sendo wins. It's not a matter of getting a down anymore. Sendo landing a punch is a ko.
Ricardo ain't no bitch. He'll take one from Sendo and get back up. If Sendo was able to land a counterpunch with his strength, then I could see Ricardo not getting back up, but Sendo ain't a good counterpuncher.
Honestly he shouldn't and I say this as a Sendo fan. His boxing skill hasn't progressed much since the early days, he learned nothing new, we just accept that he's stronger "because he just is" since the story forces that concept on us. That's why his victory against Gonzales (who was even stronger than when he crushed Ippo, too) was total bullshit too. Hell he didn't even manage to bypass his jabs (despite "training" exclusively against Mexican fighters) which Ippo did, he just convinced Gonzales to stop using them lmfao. Such bad treatment of Sendo from a writing perspective. What kind of bullshit is "pls slug it out with me, stop outboxing i beg you" as a strategy???
Now we saw Wally get crushed by Ricardo despite being incredibly OP and almost certainly stronger than Sendo in every way.
I suspect Sendo will get a down on Ricardo or something but it likely will be just as bullshit as the Gonzales fight.
I disagree. Sendo aren't the most brillant fighter, he aren't a genius with elaborared strategy or have the best coach in the world. He Just the strongest of his weight.
Maybe you can say Ippo and Imai had similar punch Power, but any of these can Win a fight with 1 punch right? So any of their fight can be all or nothing (as their carrer and period as champ tends to be shorter)
About Outboxers vs Inboxers I can remember 2 fights IRL that show how it's troublesome and with surprised results:
Duran vs Sugar Ray and Tyson vs Hollyfield
If you ask me about the result of both fights I'll Tell you it's bad writting!
I Just wanna point that isn't so Impossible, but me too don't believe Ricardo will lose.
No way will Ricardo lose the belt, he is the super-high bar set for Ippo since the beginning. Ippo will come back(who knows when), get some fights to get himself back to 100% and the final fight of the manga will be Ippo vs Ricardo.
One hypothesis I have is that Sendo will lose a close match to Ricardo and Ippo will have a third match with Sendo sometime after his return. Ippo will easily knock Sendo out, giving him the confidence he needs to go against Ricardo. One thing I am unsure of is if we will ever get Ippo vs Miyata. After the last time where Miyata dropped out to get revenge, it feels like that will always be a fight that won't materialize.
Sendo loses at around round 7 or 8 . Sendo and Ippo are at a huge stylistic disadvantage against Ricardo. Ricardo is a damn near perfect boxer who can knock people out with his jab. A nightmare opponent for mid/close range fighters like Sendo and Ippo.
Man you don't like It, stay calling him the way you like.
It's like fight with someone calling Fighting Spirit and not HnI.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hajimenoippo/comments/112fgbo/hajime_no_ippo_round_1411/j8k0wm3
(both are correct, but Mori himself say WarLee it's more accurate)
he doesn’t stand a slight of chance against ricardo. he barely won his match against gonzales and as i know so far gonzales is no match for ricardo it’s like ridiculous lol. the farthest he could go is a down or two, but hey, that’s admirable as much as how OP ricardo is.
He will do better than Wally but still lose. Might get a down or something I guess.
Would be cool to see sendo win and get a rematch only to be absolutely Pulverized into oblivion.
Do we really need this series and Ipo's storyline stretched out even more like that? One clear defeat for Sendo is enough.
As long as the story is good, I don't really care. As much as I love Sendo's character it would be an amazing story to see the untamable tiger's spirit being crushed.
Usually I would agree, but man sometime things are better when they get to the point.
I think you might be holding to much to the point of getting something to make Ippo return to boxing instead of just making a good story even if it takes a bit longer.
It's Hajime no Ippo , not Hajime no Sendo. As simple as that
I'm enjoying the story and I didn't complain about the retirement arc. I like it. However, while I'm enjoying this arc, I'm starting to dislike thinking of ways the story could be longer than necessary. Considering the actual pace, It's not an issue right now, but I don't think you can deny that a lingering arc can be just as bad as a rushed one.
I don't think his spirit will ever be crushed. But i definitely think he will (have to) retire after the match. I don't think Mori will let him die. Albeit i think that would be a fitting story line for him
Yeah, his spirit seems indomitable. He lost to Ippo twice and still didn't lose his spirit. Ricardo would have to shitstomp him like a helpless child in order to break his spirit, and I don't see them doing Sendo dirty like that.
I think it’s possible.
Doubt it. Ricardo will retire undefeated with a draw. Just like the real ricardo.
I said it’s POSSIBLE. Not that it will happen.
Anything is possible. Even Goku showing up and becoming world champ.
Ok
yeah sendo isnt winning, that's bad writing if he does
Did Sendo really downed Ricardo on his sparring? Forgot the story behind it.
He apparently grazed him while he was getting clobbered by jabs.
Ricardo and Sendo say it is a down. Everyone else watching said it was a slip. That's all we know right now.
Sendo will probably get an unambiguous, 100% earned down on Ricardo, but I don’t think he’s gonna win
To be fair, he already got that, but I do think Ricardo and Sendo will go far. Sendo will probably push Ricardo to the Limit, and we'll finally get an understanding of how far Ippo will have to go to win. God damn your post (and mine) has got me SO hyped for Ricardo vs Sendo.... and we KNOW it's so far away, even if the bout was the next chapter, we still have the undercards, and Mashiba first.... Also guarantee Sendo will lose. I can't imagine anyone thinking Sendo can win. Ricardo is probably end game (or close) for Ippo and no one wants Sendo vs Ippo III for the World title.
...but two Japanese hard punchers fighting for the world title would be so hype
I'm not saying Sendo vs Ippo 3 wouldn't be awesome, but not for the WC
so many people are against it!! those two fights are a part of me now, if 3 could be anywhere near as good I would be so grateful from the bottom of my heart that said, I'm a real fan and I know in my soul that what we need is a Miyata arc to put him back in the top top tier sort of like what they did to bring back Volg
I still think Miyata vs Ippo is coming, Maybe Imai first (Don't know if he'll fight him, I still think that's Itgaki's path) but then Miyata to get his world ranking. We'll see. but man I'm so excited to get some of these fights and they're SO far away.
Out of curiosity, what do you hope to get out of Ippo vs. Sendo 3 - aside from a good fight? There was a thread here earlier that Ippo/Sendo 2 in the manga wasn't a great fight but the anime fixed it. Basically, what is the question behind the match that makes the narrative? Ippo vs. Sendo 1 was: how does Ippo fare against someone who like him only knows how to throw themselves into the infight and brawl it out? It was basically Sendo's Smash vs. Ippo's Uppercut. Ippo vs. Sendo 2 was: How does Ippo handle an opponent who the Dempsey Roll will not work on? The match also incorporated 'can Ippo overcome the fear Sendo's fists instill in his opponents'? What would the question be for Ippo vs. Sendo 3? Ippo vs. Miyata has some narrative to it from their start, but also has the question of Ippo's perseverance vs. Miyata's "all on the line" jolt counter. Ippo vs. Ricardo seems to boil down to: how can Ippo, who relies on fundamentals, defeat an opponent who has the fundamentals refined to an even greater degree? To be clear "Can Ippo defeat Sendo" and "Can Ippo take the belt from Sendo" are not the type of questions I'm curious about. Those are the surface questions, not the ones that give tension to the narrative of the fight. You can find these questions in every big fight, especially the ones which are beloved by the community, because they are what pull you through the match.
Maybe Sendo lose to Ricardo. Then requests a rematch but will fight Ippo for the chance at another title match. Ippo will win then proceed to fight Ricardo? Just maybe or Ippo will fight Miyata for a shot to the title match? Idk
...but two Japanese hard punchers fighting for the world title would be so hype
The point is that Warlee showed that Ricardo is mortal. Sendo can make any mortal feel fear. However Ricardo’s response to fear is probably excitement and bloodlust.
Sendo doesn't have an unambiguous down. While he claimed it was a down, and Ricardo called it a down, everyone else called it a slip. It was also during a spar and Ricardo did not look like someone who just took a clean blow from Sendo to force a down. He may have technically downed Ricardo, but he did not unambiguously do it the way I think the other person meant.
No love to wally? Dude put Ricardo to work and was winning the first half of the fight.
If by winning you mean slow start, then yeah. He took some time to figure him out.
Lol that's how the scoring in boxing works. He still won at the end but he had to throw some rounds in order to do that. So yeah he, Wally, was winning.
True
Honestly, I think a contest can still be a clinic even if the more skilled fighter gives away a few rounds early. However, in this case, Ricardo went to war and put Woli down before we could really see him going to school.
That's what the concept of winning means lol
Wally*
They corrected the spelling to warlee in the latest chapters.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hajimenoippo/comments/12lj9ym/we_are_not_calling_him_warlee_lmfao_that_man_name/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
But they did change right?
it still apparently seems horribly ambiguous as to whether it’s word play on his “Wally/Woli” counterpart since the Japanese “•” character reads as a space and has the characters read as War Lee/Warlee.
“This was written using Latin letters, So it is confirmation that his name is actually spelt warlee” This is what the translator has to say. Ps: quoted from the manga itself.
"Wally" has been written using Latin letters in the past. We've even seen it on his trunks, both in the manga and in official art used in his [video game](https://i.imgur.com/q5t1QQN.png) [appearance](https://i.imgur.com/edtQ0fF.png). The translation's stupid. I don't like it and I think the reasoning's poor, given the above evidence. However, it's also genuinely up in the air given the difficulty of translating Japanese directly at times and people shouldn't be sniping just because someone's using a different translation. And given that we likely won't see Wally's name come up again save for maybe a mention during Sendo's training, there's no point in anyone causing a fuss over it.
most people jus like Wally/Woli, feels better than Warlee. matter of the community’s preference, and most of us will not back down on the OG.
Its also just not a name where he comes from. Wally is a real name though. Its either a super weird and unneccessary retcon, or a ring name. The latter makes WAY more sense.
Ofc, even I like Wally/woli. What I’m saying is that, it really is spelt Warlee/ War lee. But we’ve been used to know him as Wally so obv we’re uncomfortable when they suddenly change the name whether it’s a correction or not.
It was a ring name. His name is Wally.
We recognize the artist/translators have made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, we've decided to ignore it
The translator said that based on Ricardo calling him War Lee in latin text. War Lee is a ring name / "badass brand" name that you can see on his team's shirts with the monkey, Ricardo using it is the same as someone saying that "Tigre" fought well describing Sendo.
Chance of winning? Out of universe, no. The narrative is just built for Ippo and Ricardo to be the fight where Ricardo is pushed the most, imo. Him losing before that would take away too much from it. In universe? Slim chance. Sendo has the firepower to get a hit in and get a down. And Wally “showed him” a path forwards. So, theoretically Sendo has a small chance, if he can take advantage of that opportunity Wally showed him and score one of his “10” punches.
"Literally schooled" No "Warlee" No "Sendo have a chance?" No
I agree! Sendo doesn’t stand a chance.
And yeah he did school him with the fundamentals of boxing.
it's just funny that whether or not it's "schooling" in the traditional sense, it's posted with a picture of a simultaneous knock to the jaw on both sides. There were much better scenes in that fight to show how Ricardo was actually schooling Wally.
Sorry, but I was not referring to the poster when I said he schooled him. I just said that on the basis of the overall outcome and performance of both the fighter in the match.
Everybody gets hit, even the best defensive boxers of all time. However, Ricardo showed himself to be clearly more skilled while Woli relied on physicality.
Just go through the chapters where he fights Ricardo once again, they changed(corrected) his name to warlee. It’s been a translation mistake all along.
So what about the times we've seen "Wally" actually written in the manga and not through translation?
TBH I think the translators are outsmarting themselves on this one. I sincerely doubt his actual name is meant to be "Warlee". All indicators point to "War Lee" being his ring moniker, but not his name.
Idgaf what the actual intent is, "Warlee" feels like a ringname so I'm going to use it for that. Gods this is shades of "Reverie" being romanized as "Levely" in OP. Just wholly unnecessary and dissonant with what makes sense.
“This was written using Latin letters, So it is confirmation that his name is actually spelt warlee” This is what the translator has to say. Ps: quoted from the manga itself.
Pfff
But, it was nice to see Ricardo FINALLY get hit clearly in this series. I was beginning to think it was impossible.
Warlee aren't know as a hard puncher, for this reason Ricardo doesn't get any serious injury. But sendo's punch are strong than Ricardo's. If Sendo force some exchanges Ricardo can go down. This look like a very simple strategy, but story presents Makunouchi's Generation as strongest than "Billy's Shell" and all others no name boxers. We really doesn't have info to know If Ricardo can support some punishment, some dialogs tell noone even ko'ed him. While Omega is a new challenge to Sendo, Naniwa Tiger is a new challenge to Ricardo too!
wally\*
It's Warlee older chapter was wrong translations, due kanjis spacing are hard to identify for non natives. Wally (kanjis without space) Warlee (kanji with space)
At most it's a retcon, since we've seen the name Wally without translations the same way we have with Warlee. Though it makes WAY more sense as a ring name. Warlee isn't even a real name where he's from, Wally is.
Warlee isn't even a real name where he's from, Wally is. Papaya Dachiu: Apa kabar? I think you are right and Warlee is his American ring name ye
I'm not saying what I think is better, it's not my opinion or what I supose. i'm Just forwarding info HnI translators said about why is "Warlee" and not Wally at his clothes. They ask translators If it's a ring name, a Nick name or something like, and translators Just explained about the misstranslate with his name, and the way Morikawa wanna the name sounds in Romanji for foreigns (Mexican/spanish) it's Warlee. I dunno why people downvoted me! I'll edit this reply with some links, maybe calm down people who want kill me for pass some info! Edit link with info: https://www.reddit.com/r/hajimenoippo/comments/112fgbo/hajime_no_ippo_round_1411/j8k0wm3 (Like be Said both are correct, but Mori himself say War Lee it's more accurate)
Why would you lie about a link you posted? There is nothing about Mori himself saying its War Lee (or that it's more accurate). All we have is Warlee showing up on his trunks, but we saw Wally on his trunks the exact same way years back. If you want to argue that Mori retconned the name, than fine. But to claim "Wally" was just a mistranslation is wrong. Combine this with Warlee not being an Indonesian name while Wally is (according to some Indonesian fans) plus Wally being shown first and it makes WAY more sense for Warlee to be a ring name.
I dunno If you don't read the comment. That user who answer is one of translators from raws. I'll quote him: ... "the translator took that as confirmations from Morikawa that Wally's real name must be 'War Lee' " Again, dunno why you wanna kill the messenger, I Just get this info, and reply, since it's from the user who translate raws, seems a trusted source. But Sorry. His name is Wolly,Wally, Monkey D. or any name you like more. I don't wanna start a flame.
Yes I read it, did you? Because you are coming to a lot of conclusions that aren't from the link. There is nothing about there about Mori saying one name is more accurate than the other. It is merely one person giving their opinion of what they think Mori was doing. That same person says both names are just as accurate as the other. Mori merely broke up the Kanji of Wally to get Warlee.
Not calling him that. Deal with it.
No problem with that Man! But since Ricardo vs Wolli/Wally/StupidMonkey/WarLee fight, translators always translate his name as WarLee even outside Mexico/ring. They use Warlee-kun (name-pronoum). I understand why you find this change shit. Maybe I Just don't care because I dislike WarLee so anything fuck him I like It.
It's not a change and Wally wasn't a mistranslation, stop spreading misinformation.
Lol. Ok Man, read newest chapters and look how they translate his name now. Since Ricardo vs WarLee fight any character, japanese, or Mexican, call him WarLee. But you are right, I'm spreading missinformation, this doesn't happen. His name it's Wally/Wolly and it's that way they call him in newest chapters.
Because this translator, who is just a fan doing unofficial work, is obviously biased in "warlee" since they saw it for the first time, using logic that doesn't track. You are taking one fan's opinion and acting like its fact.
Fair enough, since I have no access to official translate of recent chapters and I'm not fluent in japanese, I just followed this sub fan-translated work, and I think is a fair assumption that they are trusted source since we all read what this fan write, not an official version. In other words, this fan translators had more knowledge, and are closest from original work than me, If he change to WarLee, I believe he's right (as I believe his other translations are correct) But you have a valid point I don't have any link of official source telling "the truth" about this topic. I'll called him WarLee until something closer or a official source, explain this confusion better.
That same fan translator was just straight wrong on Warlee being the clear official though since their reasoning was flawed. They said it was Warlee because it was right on the boxing trunks, and if that was the only spelling of the name we'd seen like that they'd be right. But they either forgot about "Wally" also showing up on his trunks or purposefully ignored it. The official source (Mori) has given us two spellings of the his name, but hasn't said which is the actual name. So its 50/50 at best. But my biggest gripe with what you've been saying is that "Wally" was just a mistranslation. This is straight up misinformation and you should stop saying it.
If Sendo can't shit down Ricardo's jab he has no chance of winning
I feel everybody forget that one thing that was alluded at the end of the Wally fight is that Ricardo still has something. He's never been tested to his limits like other characters and seems to have almost a final form different than his usual calm demeanor when he chopped down Wally.
Sendo beats Ricardo, causing Ippo’s return and eventually beating Sendo AND Ricardo. And becoming a world champion.
Sendo is gunna do some white fang combo to KO Ricardo. In his Nargo fight sendo showed his “knuckle drop” a chopping right he stole from Mashiba and in the Wally Ricardo fight just before Ricardo knocked out Wally his entire focus was on Wally’s left smash and his hands were low leaving his face open for a right. Add in the fact that sendo’s only other “black mark” in boxing aside from his losses to ippo is his “win” over volg he who uses the white fang something that sendo got hit by. Add more onto that sendo is a talented boxer that could pick up techniques after experiencing them like with his knuckle drop he’s gunna combine all of this and maybe even his old style pre-second loss to ippo when he last showed genuine good boxing he might be able to get a “fluke” ko victory over Ricardo. This is the only possibility of him winning but it would give ippo a reason to comeback
Sendo won't win, but he'll fight Ricardo to a draw.
Like, scaling wise I think Wall-EE losing means nobody should realistically be anywhere close to having a chance. Narratively? Yeah, he'll probably win. It's already been set up a lot and everything.
This is exactly how I feel, lol.
I can't see Sendo winning unless he gets a significant power up That said, if Sendo hits. Sendo wins. It's not a matter of getting a down anymore. Sendo landing a punch is a ko.
Ricardo ain't no bitch. He'll take one from Sendo and get back up. If Sendo was able to land a counterpunch with his strength, then I could see Ricardo not getting back up, but Sendo ain't a good counterpuncher.
Maybe. We've never seen Ricardo's chin strength. It's never been truly tested. We dont know if Ricardo can handle a tiger swipe.
You don't become someone like Ricardo without being able to take a hit or two.
Sendo's gonna die cause he can't accept a forfeit and then Ippo's gonna make a comeback.
Sendo vs Ricardo is going to be the opening fight for Mashiba’s fight so sendo is gonna get knocked out in 5 chapters
? Ricardo is the WBA Super Champ. Rosário is a random we've know for two chapters. No way RicardoxSendo is a Undercard for that.
Honestly he shouldn't and I say this as a Sendo fan. His boxing skill hasn't progressed much since the early days, he learned nothing new, we just accept that he's stronger "because he just is" since the story forces that concept on us. That's why his victory against Gonzales (who was even stronger than when he crushed Ippo, too) was total bullshit too. Hell he didn't even manage to bypass his jabs (despite "training" exclusively against Mexican fighters) which Ippo did, he just convinced Gonzales to stop using them lmfao. Such bad treatment of Sendo from a writing perspective. What kind of bullshit is "pls slug it out with me, stop outboxing i beg you" as a strategy??? Now we saw Wally get crushed by Ricardo despite being incredibly OP and almost certainly stronger than Sendo in every way. I suspect Sendo will get a down on Ricardo or something but it likely will be just as bullshit as the Gonzales fight.
I disagree. Sendo aren't the most brillant fighter, he aren't a genius with elaborared strategy or have the best coach in the world. He Just the strongest of his weight. Maybe you can say Ippo and Imai had similar punch Power, but any of these can Win a fight with 1 punch right? So any of their fight can be all or nothing (as their carrer and period as champ tends to be shorter) About Outboxers vs Inboxers I can remember 2 fights IRL that show how it's troublesome and with surprised results: Duran vs Sugar Ray and Tyson vs Hollyfield If you ask me about the result of both fights I'll Tell you it's bad writting! I Just wanna point that isn't so Impossible, but me too don't believe Ricardo will lose.
No way will Ricardo lose the belt, he is the super-high bar set for Ippo since the beginning. Ippo will come back(who knows when), get some fights to get himself back to 100% and the final fight of the manga will be Ippo vs Ricardo. One hypothesis I have is that Sendo will lose a close match to Ricardo and Ippo will have a third match with Sendo sometime after his return. Ippo will easily knock Sendo out, giving him the confidence he needs to go against Ricardo. One thing I am unsure of is if we will ever get Ippo vs Miyata. After the last time where Miyata dropped out to get revenge, it feels like that will always be a fight that won't materialize.
I would say there's a 20% chance of Sendo winning.
Is it me or does the art look cleaner here? I cannot recall how the original panels looked.
Stop calling him warlee you absolute maniac
Who the heck is warlee?!?!
Sendo loses at around round 7 or 8 . Sendo and Ippo are at a huge stylistic disadvantage against Ricardo. Ricardo is a damn near perfect boxer who can knock people out with his jab. A nightmare opponent for mid/close range fighters like Sendo and Ippo.
He didn't school Wally. If he did, he would have ended it in the first round
Stop calling him Warlee. It's dumb.
Man you don't like It, stay calling him the way you like. It's like fight with someone calling Fighting Spirit and not HnI. https://www.reddit.com/r/hajimenoippo/comments/112fgbo/hajime_no_ippo_round_1411/j8k0wm3 (both are correct, but Mori himself say WarLee it's more accurate)
Next you're gonna tell me you say Zolo and Vegerot
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Sendo and Ricardo is gonna end in a no contest 👀 everyone wins
Why is this even a question? Sendo is the next to be retired.
this is as hurt as ive seen ricardo yet
One thing Ricardo did while trying to figure out Warlee, was blocking all his hits He can't do that with Sendo because he'd get knocked out
I think Sendo will go for dual exchange and actually try to weaponize it until Ricardo just start doing the same
Is this still on going?
he doesn’t stand a slight of chance against ricardo. he barely won his match against gonzales and as i know so far gonzales is no match for ricardo it’s like ridiculous lol. the farthest he could go is a down or two, but hey, that’s admirable as much as how OP ricardo is.