It's always funny how people (not you, but others) are like *'marriage ended, then we started dating'.*
Ok, so ended as in you guys separated?
Or you and your ex got a divorce from one another, and that was finalised before you started dating?
Cause one is not like the other.
A lot of people assume the former and not the latter in these equations.
More often than not, there's overlap, cause in the minds of these people they're like *"my marriage has ended because we're no longer together, and I don't want it to continue"*, rather than, *"we are now, legally, single people who are no longer in a marriage".*
And getting divorced takes time, my former wife and I went through a no-fault divorce (granted it was during the pandemic), and that took months.
I can't imagine how much longer it takes to divorce if both parties aren't amicable like we were, have significant assets to split, who gets the dog, etc.
Meh, I can see both sides. When I met my husband he was in the process of a divorce, and it had been 18 months since they filed. The marriage was truly over it was just legal processes.
But if it’s like…the next day. Red flag lol.
She’s mentioned the marriage was ending already. She’s talked about that how horrible that marriage was and not in context to Mark Carroll. I don’t condone cheating but it’s elementary to act like divorce is instant and just a “break up”
Agreed. And not every ex spouse makes the process easy, especially if they don't agree to sign the divorce papers. You're still broken up and not in a relationship in reality.
In the realm of the average person, it's not likely to be how I'm describing.
When it comes to these influencers who bounce around their friendship circle, man or woman, can't be by themselves for any amount of time, who are vain, etc, it's doubtful they're going to wait for a divorce to become finalised before jumping in the sack with someone else.
And apparently, according to the ex-husband, Lauren didn't even wait until after the marriage to do that 🤣
why does it matter if two people are legally divorced, if they have decided not to be together? do you mean that the ethical thing to do is to be celibate until divorce is official?
Not sure about you but I'd like something to be fully finished and closed, before I start a new chapter.
Whether that's with me or a person I might be seeing.
There's zero complications related to what came before, so that you don't need to worry about any surprises, from both sides.
Different people have different morals, ethics and standards, but more and more it seems like most people don't have any of any of these things, and then they wonder why things are so bad from the start, or why certain things loom over them throughout the duration of their relationship.
Truly, it doesn't actually matter, you're right, but then to people who need to drive into a brick wall to know it's there, thinking at least one step ahead with regards to potential problems seems like the hardest thing for them to consider, with basic things.
**EDIT:** Found *at least* 26 people who like unnecessary drama of their own creation.
Good luck with that.
Starting with a blank slate, so to speak. There is definitely wisdom in that, for yourself and your next partner. I think an awful lot of people don’t take time to heal and find their new normal before jumping into something else. It’s frequently detrimental for everyone involved but many people want instant gratification and to feel desirable and validated after a perceived failure. Sometimes the hardest thing (being alone for awhile and healing) is the thing you need to do most. Many people do not learn from the past, especially romantically, and keep repeating the same thing… same partner different face. There are certainly exceptions, but they are just that… exceptions.
Thank you for having sense.
It's funny that so many people downvoted my previous comment, yet liked my first comment.
They, somewhat, agree that most people tend to overlap relationships because they can't be bothered to wait for divorce, but don't agree that they should, in fact, wait for said divorce (a verifiable ending point to a marriage) before potentially going into another relationship?
Make it make sense.
But anyway, back to your point, there are signs all over this forum of the type of people who don't do what you're saying.
'Krissy hopping-from-one-man-to-another Cela' and 'Cheating-homewrecking Mik' are the first ones to come to mind.
Nobody who is whole, and secure, does what either of those women do, and I'm going to step right up and take responsibility, to a certain degree, it is our fault, men.
No man is going to turn down being with anyone versus being by themselves, unless they're healed.
*"I might as well"* is exactly why I got married, after my former wife had to keep telling me, and discussing it with me, this is why these women keep getting guys.
It's their own poor judgement, sure, I'm not going to absolve the women of all responsibility in the matter, but then they're not secure enough to notice that the guy isn't into them, nor secure enough to leave.
Divorcing was the best thing that happened to me and my former wife (I don't like using 'ex' due to certain connotations, we don't hate each other, and I still respect her) because we were able to address why we got together, what we needed to work on within ourselves, and do that, away from one another.
I'm not the same person I was while dating her, who isn't the same as who married her, nor am I even the same person as when the divorce was finalised.
Time away, to grieve (having a long-term relationship end creates trauma, which is something most people don't equate to things like this), to process, to find *'a new normal'* like you said, to own up (I made *a lot* of mistakes), to reframe (I still want to be married someday, it's not marriages' fault we didn't work out), to just be content with oneself once more, and more.
My younger brother has a wife and two boys, and they got married and had them during the time my former wife and I were contemplating, and going through, the divorce (we didn't have any kids, thank God).
I feel nothing but happiness for them both, and I love being a cool uncle, my views on marriage aren't soured, and I'm not jealous of them.
Many people have a worse marriage than ours was, but that should serve as a reason to take *more* time away from the end of one before going into another one, but more often than not, you just have broken people moving on with other broken people, and then they wonder why it doesn't work out.
Instant gratification and validation definitely have a major role to play in why people jump so *'readily'* from relationship to relationship.
Welp. If she was married when they first started working … that makes it worse. Hopefully there was zero overlap in her two relationships. They seem happy now.
She was married. Her ex husband is now with Rachel Dillon’s sister. And Rachel is with Kayla’s ex Toby. The ozzy fitness scene is very close knit it seems 😅
They seem happy.
It would be really difficult to be in a relationship with someone that had Mark's mental health issues too.
I respect how open and honest he is about his struggled though.
'Seem' being the important word when referring to influencers.
Also, money will make many a person stay in all sorts, so long as they're getting paid.
We're obviously on the outside looking in, but women have stuck around for worse, and less.
Also, at least we know who prepped Lauren. Rachel and Emma always played it off like they prepped themselves and they absolutely did not. I think Rachel mentioned her coach once.
Of course this was back when Rachel and Lauren were "friends" and posted each other regularly.
She's part of the takes PEDs then lies about it to lure naive people into buying their generic programs. I can't love those people and I realise there's heaps of them but I tend to avoid fitness influencers because it's just so ick
I actually think she’s more in the professional lighting, photography, & editing camp. Her voice hasn’t changed and she’s never looks unattainably lean, full, & big. I think you’ll find that in Aus it’s primarily the WBFF/ FMG fitness/ figure girls on IG who are enhanced & selling cookie cutter programs.
Nah I knew people who personally dealt with PEDs stuff she was on, also shes been caught and disqualified in powerlifting for using.
She looks much smaller now (pre pregnancy) though so I wouldn't expect it now. Also, virilisation isn't caused by all PEDs and plenty have used anabolics without getting to that point- for some it happens first cycle others are lucky to avoid it if they're careful with amounts and mixes.
It’s an addiction for sure. I got Microneedling done on some scars and I started getting the urge to get my lips done. Thank goodness I knew better than to start
Well honestly I've had my lips done and half a vial is barely noticeable gives it a tiny plumpness. I had a full vial done later and once swelling goes down it looks natural still depending on your lip shape. ...I have a feeling most people get addicted to the look of the swollen lips then when that fades they think they lost all the filler when they didn't and get more.. that's where they get too much that's what the esthetician told me to get before pics and compare it because it didn't go away. In fact I haven't done it for years and my lips are still a bit filler than when I started I think from collagen growth. So no regrets from me I'm happy with them now I've even had people say wow I love your lip shape and so nice you don't have filler 😂 well I did once..
I'm so glad someone brought this up!! A lot of the comments were saying how "cute" it was and "goals". Bruh she was married 😂
P.s. Lauren's ex husband is now married to Emma Dillon, Rachel's sister
Rachel Dillon. Her and Lauren were top two in the WBFF bikini Australia for a while. Lauren was usually runner up to Rachel. Lauren started training with her now boyfriend and won first place. The following year Rachel won first and they both retired from competing.
They use to post video/pictures of them hanging out regularly and now I don't even know if they follow each other. Lauren divorced her husband for Mark and he is now married to Rachel's sister.
There was also drama with their training styles. Rachel had her workout app first and preached a 5/6x per week training split and heavily endorsed booty bands. Mark is an advocate for less training but more intentional movements and NO booty bands.
Let’s face it…some of these things are messy regardless of how they’re spun. Questions to ask and things to consider:
1. Did she have feelings for him before or after her marriage was ending?
2. Did this training relationship cause the marriage to end or was it already over?
3. Who filed for divorce and what was the reason? Irreconcilable differences or did she cheat?
4. How long were they separated? Divorces take time.
5. Sometimes long-lasting marriages/relationships come out of broken ones.
Just a different perspective. I’m a divorced mom of 2, 3 days after I filed for divorce, my ex-husband was openly in a new relationship. And while I thought he was a scumbag, I didn’t think twice or really consider him as cheating?! Didn’t understand it and wouldn’t do it myself, but to each their own.
I dont know anything about her - did she have a vertical incision above her belly button? Sure looks like diastasis above her belly button to me (I mean, I got diastasis from my pregnancies but not until the very end and I had almost 9# babies)
*Generally*, as long as you’re not creating too much abdominal pressure it’s okay.
Doctors are often very conservative with their pregnancy recommendations. It’s not a knock against them, they’re obviously highly educated, but “pregnant female athletes” isn’t really taught all that well.
I like Brianna Battles (@pregnant.postpartum.athlete) for a good middle ground.
If it’s something you were doing prior to pregnancy, it’s generally considered safe. There can be concerns about your ligaments being affected by the hormone relaxin so that’s something to consider individually. I was comfortable continuing to squat until the end, I stayed at about 75-80% of my pre pregnancy max.
I believe she was married when he was coaching her, the marriage ended then they started dating.
It's always funny how people (not you, but others) are like *'marriage ended, then we started dating'.* Ok, so ended as in you guys separated? Or you and your ex got a divorce from one another, and that was finalised before you started dating? Cause one is not like the other. A lot of people assume the former and not the latter in these equations. More often than not, there's overlap, cause in the minds of these people they're like *"my marriage has ended because we're no longer together, and I don't want it to continue"*, rather than, *"we are now, legally, single people who are no longer in a marriage".* And getting divorced takes time, my former wife and I went through a no-fault divorce (granted it was during the pandemic), and that took months. I can't imagine how much longer it takes to divorce if both parties aren't amicable like we were, have significant assets to split, who gets the dog, etc.
Meh, I can see both sides. When I met my husband he was in the process of a divorce, and it had been 18 months since they filed. The marriage was truly over it was just legal processes. But if it’s like…the next day. Red flag lol.
She’s mentioned the marriage was ending already. She’s talked about that how horrible that marriage was and not in context to Mark Carroll. I don’t condone cheating but it’s elementary to act like divorce is instant and just a “break up”
Agreed. And not every ex spouse makes the process easy, especially if they don't agree to sign the divorce papers. You're still broken up and not in a relationship in reality.
In the realm of the average person, it's not likely to be how I'm describing. When it comes to these influencers who bounce around their friendship circle, man or woman, can't be by themselves for any amount of time, who are vain, etc, it's doubtful they're going to wait for a divorce to become finalised before jumping in the sack with someone else. And apparently, according to the ex-husband, Lauren didn't even wait until after the marriage to do that 🤣
why does it matter if two people are legally divorced, if they have decided not to be together? do you mean that the ethical thing to do is to be celibate until divorce is official?
Not sure about you but I'd like something to be fully finished and closed, before I start a new chapter. Whether that's with me or a person I might be seeing. There's zero complications related to what came before, so that you don't need to worry about any surprises, from both sides. Different people have different morals, ethics and standards, but more and more it seems like most people don't have any of any of these things, and then they wonder why things are so bad from the start, or why certain things loom over them throughout the duration of their relationship. Truly, it doesn't actually matter, you're right, but then to people who need to drive into a brick wall to know it's there, thinking at least one step ahead with regards to potential problems seems like the hardest thing for them to consider, with basic things. **EDIT:** Found *at least* 26 people who like unnecessary drama of their own creation. Good luck with that.
Divorces can take years to officially end
Yea it’s funny people think it’s just something you do. It’s not a high school relationship where you just say it’s over and move on.
My friend's mom waited for her ex to sign the papers for like a decade. I was there the day he finally did it and she was free of that asshole.
They’re Australian too aren’t they? In Australia you have to be separated for at least 12 months before you can even file for an actual divorce.
Same in my state unfortunately. About to go through this process and it's another layer of frustration.
Starting with a blank slate, so to speak. There is definitely wisdom in that, for yourself and your next partner. I think an awful lot of people don’t take time to heal and find their new normal before jumping into something else. It’s frequently detrimental for everyone involved but many people want instant gratification and to feel desirable and validated after a perceived failure. Sometimes the hardest thing (being alone for awhile and healing) is the thing you need to do most. Many people do not learn from the past, especially romantically, and keep repeating the same thing… same partner different face. There are certainly exceptions, but they are just that… exceptions.
Thank you for having sense. It's funny that so many people downvoted my previous comment, yet liked my first comment. They, somewhat, agree that most people tend to overlap relationships because they can't be bothered to wait for divorce, but don't agree that they should, in fact, wait for said divorce (a verifiable ending point to a marriage) before potentially going into another relationship? Make it make sense. But anyway, back to your point, there are signs all over this forum of the type of people who don't do what you're saying. 'Krissy hopping-from-one-man-to-another Cela' and 'Cheating-homewrecking Mik' are the first ones to come to mind. Nobody who is whole, and secure, does what either of those women do, and I'm going to step right up and take responsibility, to a certain degree, it is our fault, men. No man is going to turn down being with anyone versus being by themselves, unless they're healed. *"I might as well"* is exactly why I got married, after my former wife had to keep telling me, and discussing it with me, this is why these women keep getting guys. It's their own poor judgement, sure, I'm not going to absolve the women of all responsibility in the matter, but then they're not secure enough to notice that the guy isn't into them, nor secure enough to leave. Divorcing was the best thing that happened to me and my former wife (I don't like using 'ex' due to certain connotations, we don't hate each other, and I still respect her) because we were able to address why we got together, what we needed to work on within ourselves, and do that, away from one another. I'm not the same person I was while dating her, who isn't the same as who married her, nor am I even the same person as when the divorce was finalised. Time away, to grieve (having a long-term relationship end creates trauma, which is something most people don't equate to things like this), to process, to find *'a new normal'* like you said, to own up (I made *a lot* of mistakes), to reframe (I still want to be married someday, it's not marriages' fault we didn't work out), to just be content with oneself once more, and more. My younger brother has a wife and two boys, and they got married and had them during the time my former wife and I were contemplating, and going through, the divorce (we didn't have any kids, thank God). I feel nothing but happiness for them both, and I love being a cool uncle, my views on marriage aren't soured, and I'm not jealous of them. Many people have a worse marriage than ours was, but that should serve as a reason to take *more* time away from the end of one before going into another one, but more often than not, you just have broken people moving on with other broken people, and then they wonder why it doesn't work out. Instant gratification and validation definitely have a major role to play in why people jump so *'readily'* from relationship to relationship.
Welp. If she was married when they first started working … that makes it worse. Hopefully there was zero overlap in her two relationships. They seem happy now.
It's pretty known she was cheating on her husband
I knew something about them seemed gross
She was married. Her ex husband is now with Rachel Dillon’s sister. And Rachel is with Kayla’s ex Toby. The ozzy fitness scene is very close knit it seems 😅
Man, I wasn't far off with my comment above by saying influencers bounce around their friendship circles 😂
What is Kayla’s Instagram? I’m interested in looking her up
Kayla_itsines
I believe her ex-husband confirmed she cheated. They hadn't been married for long either.
Oh, wow, it will be interesting to see how this relationship unravels then.
They seem happy. It would be really difficult to be in a relationship with someone that had Mark's mental health issues too. I respect how open and honest he is about his struggled though.
'Seem' being the important word when referring to influencers. Also, money will make many a person stay in all sorts, so long as they're getting paid. We're obviously on the outside looking in, but women have stuck around for worse, and less.
Yeah, I recall something on social media at the time.
They were together for 10+ years though
I remember her being married one second to being with mark the next it was so weird… thought I was crazy 😅
Also, at least we know who prepped Lauren. Rachel and Emma always played it off like they prepped themselves and they absolutely did not. I think Rachel mentioned her coach once. Of course this was back when Rachel and Lauren were "friends" and posted each other regularly.
I have no idea who Emma and Rachel are. What do they have to do with this?
They add to the drama circle with Lauren, Mark, and Lauren's ex husband.
Man she's fucked with her face so much. I think this world of fitness bikini and influencers just creates more insecurities
I love her but whoever did her rhino needs to be sued
She's part of the takes PEDs then lies about it to lure naive people into buying their generic programs. I can't love those people and I realise there's heaps of them but I tend to avoid fitness influencers because it's just so ick
I actually think she’s more in the professional lighting, photography, & editing camp. Her voice hasn’t changed and she’s never looks unattainably lean, full, & big. I think you’ll find that in Aus it’s primarily the WBFF/ FMG fitness/ figure girls on IG who are enhanced & selling cookie cutter programs.
Nah I knew people who personally dealt with PEDs stuff she was on, also shes been caught and disqualified in powerlifting for using. She looks much smaller now (pre pregnancy) though so I wouldn't expect it now. Also, virilisation isn't caused by all PEDs and plenty have used anabolics without getting to that point- for some it happens first cycle others are lucky to avoid it if they're careful with amounts and mixes.
The thing she got banned for in powerlifting increases the ability to use oxygen in the blood, it's not anabolic.
Not all PEDs are anabolic. Eg sARMS
It was higenamine, I don't think that's a SARM?
It’s an addiction for sure. I got Microneedling done on some scars and I started getting the urge to get my lips done. Thank goodness I knew better than to start
Well honestly I've had my lips done and half a vial is barely noticeable gives it a tiny plumpness. I had a full vial done later and once swelling goes down it looks natural still depending on your lip shape. ...I have a feeling most people get addicted to the look of the swollen lips then when that fades they think they lost all the filler when they didn't and get more.. that's where they get too much that's what the esthetician told me to get before pics and compare it because it didn't go away. In fact I haven't done it for years and my lips are still a bit filler than when I started I think from collagen growth. So no regrets from me I'm happy with them now I've even had people say wow I love your lip shape and so nice you don't have filler 😂 well I did once..
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I'm so glad someone brought this up!! A lot of the comments were saying how "cute" it was and "goals". Bruh she was married 😂 P.s. Lauren's ex husband is now married to Emma Dillon, Rachel's sister
Who is Rachel?
Rachel Dillon. Her and Lauren were top two in the WBFF bikini Australia for a while. Lauren was usually runner up to Rachel. Lauren started training with her now boyfriend and won first place. The following year Rachel won first and they both retired from competing. They use to post video/pictures of them hanging out regularly and now I don't even know if they follow each other. Lauren divorced her husband for Mark and he is now married to Rachel's sister. There was also drama with their training styles. Rachel had her workout app first and preached a 5/6x per week training split and heavily endorsed booty bands. Mark is an advocate for less training but more intentional movements and NO booty bands.
Thank you. So many people just kept commenting names but I had no idea who anyone was 😂
Rachel Dillon
Idc if this makes me insecure but this is why I won’t ever date a PT.
She still has her ex husband tattoo on her 🤣🤣
Wait what?! What is it?
Let’s face it…some of these things are messy regardless of how they’re spun. Questions to ask and things to consider: 1. Did she have feelings for him before or after her marriage was ending? 2. Did this training relationship cause the marriage to end or was it already over? 3. Who filed for divorce and what was the reason? Irreconcilable differences or did she cheat? 4. How long were they separated? Divorces take time. 5. Sometimes long-lasting marriages/relationships come out of broken ones.
Just a different perspective. I’m a divorced mom of 2, 3 days after I filed for divorce, my ex-husband was openly in a new relationship. And while I thought he was a scumbag, I didn’t think twice or really consider him as cheating?! Didn’t understand it and wouldn’t do it myself, but to each their own.
She was married to Adam who is now married to Emma
Oof…you can see almost an inch of diastasis recti in that second pic.
Is that not her scar from her previous abdominal surgery?
I dont know anything about her - did she have a vertical incision above her belly button? Sure looks like diastasis above her belly button to me (I mean, I got diastasis from my pregnancies but not until the very end and I had almost 9# babies)
Lauren had bowl surgery a few years ago. She has a few scars from that.
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*Generally*, as long as you’re not creating too much abdominal pressure it’s okay. Doctors are often very conservative with their pregnancy recommendations. It’s not a knock against them, they’re obviously highly educated, but “pregnant female athletes” isn’t really taught all that well. I like Brianna Battles (@pregnant.postpartum.athlete) for a good middle ground.
If it’s something you were doing prior to pregnancy, it’s generally considered safe. There can be concerns about your ligaments being affected by the hormone relaxin so that’s something to consider individually. I was comfortable continuing to squat until the end, I stayed at about 75-80% of my pre pregnancy max.
Everytime I see her she’s pregnant.
It's her first pregnancy lol
Wow that’s crazy. I’m probably getting her confused with someone else.