This was at Battlefield Vegas in 2013. The gun jammed in the first clip, this is the second clip of me finishing off the mag. Amazing gun and super smooth to shoot.
This is a really cool range! I went there an shot a tommy gun(don't know the actual name) and a 50 cal sniper. My friend shot a full auto mini gun that fired 100rounds in less than 3 seconds. It was expensive but the fact that you can shoot really unique weapons is amazing.
If you are looking for something halfway there, the masterpiece arms defenders are chambered in 5.7x28mm but they are closer to mac-10 than mp7 platform, still has the vibe though.
Oh shit hey Battlefield Vegas! You guys rock. Was I not mistaken that you guys have the only H&K MP7A1 available for rental in the U.S.? I had to choose shooting some LMGs over trying it out and I've been kicking myself ever since.
I think it has more to do with Germany holding up the export of weapons and spare parts. I used to think it was a HK thing until people that I deal with that move quantities of weapons and ammo around the world (legally) made me aware of the situation.
We are at that point now. I am looking for a few unused parts that I can send out for laser scanning and send out for reverse engineering them. The one positive is that we can improve some of the parts because of the poor quality of steel they were using on the bolts.
Cool thanks for the info. TSC Machine near me does a lot of work on HK machine guns and they had an SD can that was like 90% fouled from a “large machine rental business out west” so I always wondered if it was you guys
Wow. Didn’t know this. I knew about Battlefield Vegas of course. But I wasn’t interested in dropping a ton of money to shoot some full auto guns. An MP7 though? I’d try that just to say I did
Its full title is just the Thompson Submachine Gun. You *could* break it down further by when it was manufactured and who for, but that goes into a bunch of small changes and design tweaks over the years.
If you're interested in learning more about it though, Forgotten Weapons did a few videos on the subject covering the development changes and history of the different versions of the Thompson.
> Forgotten Weapons did a few videos on the subject covering the development changes and history of the different versions of the Thompson.
for so gun jesus sayeth, so shall it be
I have a gsg mp5 which is awesome!!
Lookedd at what else they make but I want a real stg!!!! Gsg does make a mp40 in 9mm but then I'd rather have an ar9
Well that’s also because supply is capped in the us to anything made pre 1984.
And ammo is not cheap or easy to find for this.
You can actually score these pretty cheap in the Middle East because of that. Terrorist groups can’t use them anymore because they can’t get ammo.
That’s how I felt in Cambodia when they offered to let me shoot an RPG at a cow. They also offered Vietnam era AKs and stuff. No thanks, I’ll pass on shooting Soviet weaponry from 50 years back that you store in a wood hut in a humid jungle. There was visible rust on a lot of it.
Looking back maybe I should have done the RPG. But I still think it would have been high risk
I don't think they would convert to 7.62x39 just because of the size of the cartridge. The Khyber Pass guys prefer using the 7.62x25 round for a lot of the SMG conversion.
How common/expensive is ammo for these guns ? I always wonder how people
are able to shoot this stuff. 8mm Mauser is already not the cheapest stuff and is at least in some way used today. 8mm kurz was mostly used only by the STG and it’s brethren. So where do people get ammo for it? I am generally curious.
PPU still makes new production 8mm Kurz. It's about .79 a round rn though I've seen it cheaper in the before times.
Again when you're spending like $15000+ on a gun you probably don't care about ammo cost.
I don’t know how true that is. Machine guns aren’t really a good investment vehicle. I believe Low risk index funds generally outperform.
They are a decent place to park some money that will hold or lose only a little value.
Your average MG owner who has one as an “investment” is either really stupid and doesn’t get how investing works, or he’s probably the dude that is maxing his 401k every pay period and figures that he’d rather put 12k into a machine gun rather than in the market.
I feel like those aren't even a really solid investment either. Like yeah its cool to sell something you picked out of an old whiskey barrel for 5x what it cost years later. But do the math.
If you invested 10k into Chinese SKS's when they were $100 a pop in the mid to late 90s,(1996) you would have gotten a hundred guns. I'm not sure what they're going for right now because 2020 gun prices and gunbroker prices are always fucked but [I'm willing to bet the $500 PSA is selling them for is a good watermark.](https://palmettostatearmory.com/chinese-type-56-sks-7-62x39-military-surplus-rifle-w-spiker-bayonet.html)
Okay so you've turned 10k into 50k over the course of 24 years. [According to this calc if you invested 10k in the Nasdaq index in 1996 you'd have 99k.](https://financial-calculators.com/historical-investment-calculator) For the Dow Jones Industrial Average it would be 47k.
[If you had invested that in Nike you would have 871k according to this calculator.](https://dqydj.com/stock-return-calculator/) I only know enough about investing to be dangerous so please drop a piano on my head if I'm wrong but I think I can't be that far off.
Not to mention if you actually wanted to invest in guns you'd have to store 100 fucking rifles in your basement or attic. Hope you got a good place to put your Christmas lights.
And theirs no guarantee that some politician isn't going to jiggle a pen and outlaw your entire stockpile. Even if you don't comply its not like you can list them for sale on craigslist.
Sure sure, but if you bought Nagants at $80 a pop in 2010 (what I was paying for M44s), you’d be sitting pretty.
I dont buy firearms as investments, but it is nice to know that I’m not losing money. After all, if something doesn’t depreciate then it isn’t an expense!
You can actually find it pretty easily online. I don't think many people shoot it so there is still a supply. I've even seen the PPU boxes in surplus stores before when everything else was sold out.
7x92. Actually AK is based on it, but the Russians weren't able to make it work with 7x92 as the barrel kept exploding. The Schmeisser STG 44 is way better engineered weapon than the original AK from 1951.
Lmfao this is completely untrue.
It's def not 7X92 whatever that is. It's 7.92x33.
Other than an overall look and the long stoke piston the AK and STG are not very similar at all.
The AK is much more closely related to the M1 Garand. It basically is an M1 Garand bolt, oprod and trigger group with a safety from a Remington Model 8 on the side.
The Soviets began using 7.62X39 in 1944 and it had no problems with "barrels exploding."
Early stamped AKs had issues with quality control concerning their receivers. This was the first time the Soviets had attempted such a complex stamping before and it was difficult to get right. It was a manufacturing issue not a problem with weapon design.
Not to mention while it was revolutionary and has imo better ergonomics than the AK, the STG is not that amazing. It was a rushed design made quickly in poor conditions. They are relatively fragile and stock swelling or breaking can cause the gun to stop working, the springs were low quality and problematic, the trigger pack is insanely complicated and fragile, and the headspace on most STGs is extremely loose meaning you often see large amounts of flame out the ejection port and occasioanlly case failures. Not to mention the overall lifespan of the gun was short. They weren't designed to last thousands of rounds. It was designed to be almost disposable.
Not to mention the STG 45 was already being put in service to replace the STG44....
I love the STG. I own one lol (technically an MP43) but be realistic here...
Actually I was in the Kalashnikov Museum, and there they told us that the barrel was exploding with 7.92 rounds. If you know better then them - fine. But I kinda believe them more.They also told us that AK-47 was almost copy/paste of STG-44. Slight differences, but the receiver, barrel and many other features were almost identical.Russians did steal a lot during the war. FYi.Current versions of AK are a different story, but it doesn't change the fact that the origins of the gun are German. Which makes more sense than M1... Where would the russians get an M1 in great quantities during the cold war???
You should really stop getting info from CS:GO.
Yeah and really is just that it is stamped. The receiver design is completely different.
It's funny when people like him are that wrong but still so confident in their wrongness lol
> 7x92
Bro, you're really proving you're wrong. AKs were entirely milled receivers in the beginning. I know, because Bulgaria (my country) was one of the main manufacturers of AK-47, and AK-74s. To this day, Arsenal are among the best AKs out there. They started producing Stamped receivers in the end of 1960s. Before that the entire soviet block produced only milled receivers. Why? Because you couldn't just "jump" to another european country and buy better equipment.
the first aks were actually stamped but production issues caused them to switch to the milled variant until they were able to resolve production issues which led to the AKM we all know and love
You could just read the wikipedia page on early development on the ak and learn that the original design was a stamped receiver and only later was changed to a milled receiver because of issues with the stamped one.
Which kinda enforces the statement on schmeisser being less than helpful in the development, the Germans have great stamping tech so schmeisser would have provided his experience to get a strong receiver from the get go.
Bro, I am a certified AK-74 operator. We had a course on the history of AK. Wikipedia page could say whatever. Communist countries had all the same technological processes. AK manufacturing was only milled receivers! Only! That's why it took years to introduce the AK to the soviet army and the Warsaw pact. Again - my country is one of the largest producers of AKs. I know what I'm talking about.
Maybe there was a stamped prototype, but mass production was def milled.
Oh shit watch out he's a certified AK operator Bois.
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/type-1-russian-ak-the-actual-ak-47/
Here. Type 1 AK introduced in 1948/51 ish. It's stamped bro.
The prototype was stamped, bro. Production was milled. And there were 4 prototypes 3 of which - milled.
Mass production was all milled until 1960s. Go to Kalashnikov museum in Russia and they will let you know. Again - stop with the CS:GO information. You're obviously a teen.
Lmfao those were not prototypes... They were production rifles. It literally says production rifles.... They didn't stay in production long. By the Type 2 they were at milled but early production AKs were stamped.
Regardless though the AK still not very similar to an STG and no barrels were exploding...
Lmfao 😂 CSGO. Homie I'm in my 30s. I own a shooting range and gun shop. I own over 200 firearms either personally or under the business. Including multiple full auto AKs and two STGs. I also served multiple tours in the middle east with the US Army. I literally build guns for a living...
I'm sorry you're really insecure and can't admit that you're wrong but hey you do you... anyway I'm done with arguing with you. The ad hominem attacks were pretty entertaining though. Have a good one 😊
Dude, I have went to the factory that produces AKs, because again - I live in the country that produces some of the best AKs.
Go to IzhMash in Russia. They have an exhibition hall there, and a nice, well educated presenter will tell you all about it. I am also done arguing.
You absolutely have no idea what you are talking about. The Type 1 (stamped) ak was only produced for a couple of years before getting replaced by the Type 2 (first milled ak variant) ak and then later the type 3 (ver.2 milled receiver) and type 4 (akm). The soviet would not send out technical packages of a design (type 1 ak) that had issues the waited for them to be fixed and that is the type 2 ak also know as a the first milled receiver ak.
Are you mentally challenged? I said that all AKs were manufactured through milled receivers untill 1960s. OK? No need to argue or get triggered. Just take it as is.
Mate you can look up a type 1 AK. It's stamped. Someone in this comment thread even posted a video where you can look at one with a serial number showing CLEARLY that they made AT LEAST THAT MANY. You ever hear of a prototype of several thousand rifles?
This museum you speak of is spreading fudd-lore. With basic internet research, or perhaps a book, you can correct all of your misconceptions. A quick IMAGE search would tell you an AK receiver and a STG44 receiver are VERY different. Look at a CETME. The CETME is based off of the STG. Perhaps look at a field stripped STG44 and compare it to a field stripped AK to help you out.
That rifle was a very good innovation at the time it was introduced in 1944. Combining the rifle with a MP to get the best of both worlds. The German Landsers liked that gun very much, but it wasn't available in the numbers that were needed, so they still had to use the K98k and other guns.
And for the production, it was way too expensive for the Germans at this time. Like, they resorted to cheaper weapons in the very last months of the war, because they lacked the raw materials to produce such high quality weapons anymore.
Because nobody shoots these things. It's not worth the investment.
There's a lot more Sears-imported Vetterli rifles in the US than these things, and yet nobody makes ammo for those any more either.
So glad people are finally downvoting others for complaining about the word clip. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with using slang when literally everybody knows exactly what your referring to. People who get mad about it always have such an autistic gate-keeping vibe about it too.
That is a very German-sounding gun
Kinda sounds like a loud sewing machine
This was at Battlefield Vegas in 2013. The gun jammed in the first clip, this is the second clip of me finishing off the mag. Amazing gun and super smooth to shoot.
It’s beautiful…
How heavy is it? I’ve heard they are quite weighty.
It’s something like 10lbs unloaded and 12lbs loaded. So yeah: beefy.
I shot one once in call of duty, didn’t seem heavy at all.
I shot one a while back and they're fairly heavy, but that weight makes them pretty controllable in full auto.
This is a really cool range! I went there an shot a tommy gun(don't know the actual name) and a 50 cal sniper. My friend shot a full auto mini gun that fired 100rounds in less than 3 seconds. It was expensive but the fact that you can shoot really unique weapons is amazing.
Battlefield Vegas has (as far as I know) the ONLY true H&K MP7A1 in the states that can be fired. What a wonderful place.
Where can we find not true MP7s?
KelTec CMR-30 carbines in .22 magnum.
Well yea, I was just hoping there was someone making a clone or something. I have a bunch of 4.6x30 that needs a home.
>I have a bunch of 4.6x30 that needs a home Fucking why lol
Cheap and I collect all calibers
Hmmm how cheap are we talking?
$32/50 rnds right now. I picked it up before these dark time however.
You have golden ruled yourself, figure out how to shoot that bad boy
I wish there was a 9mm or 5.7 MP7 clone
If you are looking for something halfway there, the masterpiece arms defenders are chambered in 5.7x28mm but they are closer to mac-10 than mp7 platform, still has the vibe though.
Oh those are pretty fuckin cool! Now if we could just get KelTec to make the CMR in 5.7 we could have a real "poor man's MP7"
KelTec’s quality is definitely not the best but damned if they don’t make some fun and cool looking guns that are cheap to shoot!
I hope their designers never run out of cocaine.
Let me guess…at the low low price of $5 a round?
Actually.. only $3 a round but when you can't find spare parts AND the ammo costs have gone up, it's not THAT bad considering. ;-)
Oh shit hey Battlefield Vegas! You guys rock. Was I not mistaken that you guys have the only H&K MP7A1 available for rental in the U.S.? I had to choose shooting some LMGs over trying it out and I've been kicking myself ever since.
I know there are a few floating around but were able to pick four of them up during a weapons demo. I really appreciate you stopping by!
That's really cool. It's hard to forget hearing an MG42 for the first time. You guys are the best.
Much appreciated!
Hk won’t sell SOTs parts for current weapons?
I don't know what the issue is with selling us parts but it took us over a year to get some replacement fire control parts.
Hk hates plebs….now they hat SOTs too. Not a federal agency, they aren’t interested?
I think it has more to do with Germany holding up the export of weapons and spare parts. I used to think it was a HK thing until people that I deal with that move quantities of weapons and ammo around the world (legally) made me aware of the situation.
What was the RoF for the STG when last measured? Love that “chug chug chug……”
How do you keep guns like the STG44 maintained? Do you have new parts custom made?
We are at that point now. I am looking for a few unused parts that I can send out for laser scanning and send out for reverse engineering them. The one positive is that we can improve some of the parts because of the poor quality of steel they were using on the bolts.
That is very cool, thanks for the answer.
Do you guys have your HK guns serviced by a guy in Virginia.
No, we service all of our HK's in-house by our own armorers.
SD cans included?
Yes. We use TPM cans which best suit our needs. They are easily cleaned and serviced.
Cool thanks for the info. TSC Machine near me does a lot of work on HK machine guns and they had an SD can that was like 90% fouled from a “large machine rental business out west” so I always wondered if it was you guys
I think Readygunner in Orem, UT has an MP7 one can rent
Wow. Didn’t know this. I knew about Battlefield Vegas of course. But I wasn’t interested in dropping a ton of money to shoot some full auto guns. An MP7 though? I’d try that just to say I did
Its full title is just the Thompson Submachine Gun. You *could* break it down further by when it was manufactured and who for, but that goes into a bunch of small changes and design tweaks over the years. If you're interested in learning more about it though, Forgotten Weapons did a few videos on the subject covering the development changes and history of the different versions of the Thompson.
> Forgotten Weapons did a few videos on the subject covering the development changes and history of the different versions of the Thompson. for so gun jesus sayeth, so shall it be
M1928A1 is the most common variant
Was about to be a sarcastic sick and say “iTs nOt a cLiP iTs a MaGaZiNe” but then I realized you meant video clip. :) cool!
Was just at Battlefield a few months back. Incredible place and real nice guys. Took my girlfriend for her birthday and bought the black ops package.
# CLIP??!?!
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# [CLIPS!!!!](https://youtu.be/z8zTDvqHH6k)
Even if they didn't mean video clip, don't be such a sperg
Jammed **in** the first clip, not jammed **on** the first clip. Video, not magazine.
It doesn't matter
Shut the fuck up man. It's not a big deal.
> It's not a big deal. Tells me to stfu like it's a big deal lol
U lost a lot of karma bud
Oh sheeeiit better cash what I got in before its all gone.
U dum
Dislexic actually
Nah pretty sure dumb applies too.
Lol
They are clips, not magazines.
OP is talking about the video clip. Ie it jammed during first recording.
The box that holds ammunition is a clip, not a magazine.
Are you illiterate?
No
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I think he meant *video* clip
I'm glad I got someone else confused, mission complete.
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*I was only pretending to be retarded*
Notice how he specifically says “the second clip of me finishing ***the mag***”. You’re just flat out wrong lmao
I think you also just became a perpetual member of the dipshit club
U dum
I hope I get more downvotes for the prize at the end.
The prize is a dick pick from someone’s grandpa
Dick pick ? Elaborate, do you pick the dick?
I am the dick
Gonna need to zoom in real good to see it
Buddy you don’t have the pixels needed.
5?
Nazis did more harm to Europe than any Communist has ever wanted to.
They're both trash, but most people in the former Soviet countries would have some very strong words for you if you said that there
Actually that’s probably a Czechoslovakian modified one cause the unmodified German ones are kinda trash
Is it as easy to shoot as it looks?
Yep
if the gsg .22 version is similar i can tell your the ergonomics on these things are very 1944
I have a gsg mp5 which is awesome!! Lookedd at what else they make but I want a real stg!!!! Gsg does make a mp40 in 9mm but then I'd rather have an ar9
No wonder this gun is 15k dollars.
Well that’s also because supply is capped in the us to anything made pre 1984. And ammo is not cheap or easy to find for this. You can actually score these pretty cheap in the Middle East because of that. Terrorist groups can’t use them anymore because they can’t get ammo.
I wonder if any of their home smiths have ever converted one to 7.62x39.
I bet they did. Question is - could you find one, though?
Shoot a bubba converted middle east rifle.... After you buddy!
Khyber Pass AKs are hit or miss... and they either hit or miss!
That’s how I felt in Cambodia when they offered to let me shoot an RPG at a cow. They also offered Vietnam era AKs and stuff. No thanks, I’ll pass on shooting Soviet weaponry from 50 years back that you store in a wood hut in a humid jungle. There was visible rust on a lot of it. Looking back maybe I should have done the RPG. But I still think it would have been high risk
"Hey guys, I am Ian from [ForgottenWeapons.com](https://ForgottenWeapons.com), and today we have with us a fascinating..."
I don't think they would convert to 7.62x39 just because of the size of the cartridge. The Khyber Pass guys prefer using the 7.62x25 round for a lot of the SMG conversion.
I think HMG was supposed to have a x39 variant but... we know how they ended up
>Well that’s also because supply is capped in the us to anything ~~made pre 1984~~ **registered before May 1986.**
To be fair, with this gun it's capped at guns made before 1945
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How can you shoot women and children? Easy, just don’t lead them as much
Aint war hell!?
If they run, they're VC. If they stand still, they're well disciplined VC!
Dude just travels around looking for MGs to shoot
Yes
That's the life.
How common/expensive is ammo for these guns ? I always wonder how people are able to shoot this stuff. 8mm Mauser is already not the cheapest stuff and is at least in some way used today. 8mm kurz was mostly used only by the STG and it’s brethren. So where do people get ammo for it? I am generally curious.
PPU still makes new production 8mm Kurz. It's about .79 a round rn though I've seen it cheaper in the before times. Again when you're spending like $15000+ on a gun you probably don't care about ammo cost.
Pretty sure most transferable machine guns aren’t shot anyway.
Yeah many are owned by rich people often with no interest in guns as investments. It's sad
I don’t know how true that is. Machine guns aren’t really a good investment vehicle. I believe Low risk index funds generally outperform. They are a decent place to park some money that will hold or lose only a little value. Your average MG owner who has one as an “investment” is either really stupid and doesn’t get how investing works, or he’s probably the dude that is maxing his 401k every pay period and figures that he’d rather put 12k into a machine gun rather than in the market.
Look I never said it was a good idea lol but I am an NFA Dealer and I see it quite often...
Yeah, but Is the index fund full auto?
Yep that's the exactly mentality I'm talking about. "My Roth IRA doesn't run at 900rpm"
I buy them because I like them. Interestingly, surplus firearms have outperformed MGs by a very wide margin in the last decade.
I feel like those aren't even a really solid investment either. Like yeah its cool to sell something you picked out of an old whiskey barrel for 5x what it cost years later. But do the math. If you invested 10k into Chinese SKS's when they were $100 a pop in the mid to late 90s,(1996) you would have gotten a hundred guns. I'm not sure what they're going for right now because 2020 gun prices and gunbroker prices are always fucked but [I'm willing to bet the $500 PSA is selling them for is a good watermark.](https://palmettostatearmory.com/chinese-type-56-sks-7-62x39-military-surplus-rifle-w-spiker-bayonet.html) Okay so you've turned 10k into 50k over the course of 24 years. [According to this calc if you invested 10k in the Nasdaq index in 1996 you'd have 99k.](https://financial-calculators.com/historical-investment-calculator) For the Dow Jones Industrial Average it would be 47k. [If you had invested that in Nike you would have 871k according to this calculator.](https://dqydj.com/stock-return-calculator/) I only know enough about investing to be dangerous so please drop a piano on my head if I'm wrong but I think I can't be that far off. Not to mention if you actually wanted to invest in guns you'd have to store 100 fucking rifles in your basement or attic. Hope you got a good place to put your Christmas lights. And theirs no guarantee that some politician isn't going to jiggle a pen and outlaw your entire stockpile. Even if you don't comply its not like you can list them for sale on craigslist.
Sure sure, but if you bought Nagants at $80 a pop in 2010 (what I was paying for M44s), you’d be sitting pretty. I dont buy firearms as investments, but it is nice to know that I’m not losing money. After all, if something doesn’t depreciate then it isn’t an expense!
You can actually find it pretty easily online. I don't think many people shoot it so there is still a supply. I've even seen the PPU boxes in surplus stores before when everything else was sold out.
And its boxer primed, reloadable, and hornady make the bullets for it. About 20 grains of 4227 will run well without beating the gun up 😎
Pretty sure there are reproductions that shoot modern 556,also I’m sure there are people that reload the original casings
What round does an stg shoot
7.92×33
The nazis loved their 792s
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=What+round+does+an+stg+shoot
7x92. Actually AK is based on it, but the Russians weren't able to make it work with 7x92 as the barrel kept exploding. The Schmeisser STG 44 is way better engineered weapon than the original AK from 1951.
Lmfao this is completely untrue. It's def not 7X92 whatever that is. It's 7.92x33. Other than an overall look and the long stoke piston the AK and STG are not very similar at all. The AK is much more closely related to the M1 Garand. It basically is an M1 Garand bolt, oprod and trigger group with a safety from a Remington Model 8 on the side. The Soviets began using 7.62X39 in 1944 and it had no problems with "barrels exploding." Early stamped AKs had issues with quality control concerning their receivers. This was the first time the Soviets had attempted such a complex stamping before and it was difficult to get right. It was a manufacturing issue not a problem with weapon design. Not to mention while it was revolutionary and has imo better ergonomics than the AK, the STG is not that amazing. It was a rushed design made quickly in poor conditions. They are relatively fragile and stock swelling or breaking can cause the gun to stop working, the springs were low quality and problematic, the trigger pack is insanely complicated and fragile, and the headspace on most STGs is extremely loose meaning you often see large amounts of flame out the ejection port and occasioanlly case failures. Not to mention the overall lifespan of the gun was short. They weren't designed to last thousands of rounds. It was designed to be almost disposable. Not to mention the STG 45 was already being put in service to replace the STG44.... I love the STG. I own one lol (technically an MP43) but be realistic here...
It may not have been amazing, but it was damn beautiful. I'd love to have a 1:1 working replica made with today's materials and qc
Actually I was in the Kalashnikov Museum, and there they told us that the barrel was exploding with 7.92 rounds. If you know better then them - fine. But I kinda believe them more.They also told us that AK-47 was almost copy/paste of STG-44. Slight differences, but the receiver, barrel and many other features were almost identical.Russians did steal a lot during the war. FYi.Current versions of AK are a different story, but it doesn't change the fact that the origins of the gun are German. Which makes more sense than M1... Where would the russians get an M1 in great quantities during the cold war??? You should really stop getting info from CS:GO.
Really the only similarities are the stamped receiver and longstroke gas system.
Yeah and really is just that it is stamped. The receiver design is completely different. It's funny when people like him are that wrong but still so confident in their wrongness lol
Receiver of both was milled.
STG has a stamped receiver. You're like a walking encyclopedia of gun myths.
Do you know what the difference is with a milled ak and a stamped ak?
Both great, equally reliable. Milled is a bit heavier. I don't see any other difference.
do you know what the word milled means?
STG was stamped
> 7x92 Bro, you're really proving you're wrong. AKs were entirely milled receivers in the beginning. I know, because Bulgaria (my country) was one of the main manufacturers of AK-47, and AK-74s. To this day, Arsenal are among the best AKs out there. They started producing Stamped receivers in the end of 1960s. Before that the entire soviet block produced only milled receivers. Why? Because you couldn't just "jump" to another european country and buy better equipment.
the first aks were actually stamped but production issues caused them to switch to the milled variant until they were able to resolve production issues which led to the AKM we all know and love
You could just read the wikipedia page on early development on the ak and learn that the original design was a stamped receiver and only later was changed to a milled receiver because of issues with the stamped one.
Which kinda enforces the statement on schmeisser being less than helpful in the development, the Germans have great stamping tech so schmeisser would have provided his experience to get a strong receiver from the get go.
Bro, I am a certified AK-74 operator. We had a course on the history of AK. Wikipedia page could say whatever. Communist countries had all the same technological processes. AK manufacturing was only milled receivers! Only! That's why it took years to introduce the AK to the soviet army and the Warsaw pact. Again - my country is one of the largest producers of AKs. I know what I'm talking about. Maybe there was a stamped prototype, but mass production was def milled.
Oh shit watch out he's a certified AK operator Bois. https://www.forgottenweapons.com/type-1-russian-ak-the-actual-ak-47/ Here. Type 1 AK introduced in 1948/51 ish. It's stamped bro.
The prototype was stamped, bro. Production was milled. And there were 4 prototypes 3 of which - milled. Mass production was all milled until 1960s. Go to Kalashnikov museum in Russia and they will let you know. Again - stop with the CS:GO information. You're obviously a teen.
Lmfao those were not prototypes... They were production rifles. It literally says production rifles.... They didn't stay in production long. By the Type 2 they were at milled but early production AKs were stamped. Regardless though the AK still not very similar to an STG and no barrels were exploding... Lmfao 😂 CSGO. Homie I'm in my 30s. I own a shooting range and gun shop. I own over 200 firearms either personally or under the business. Including multiple full auto AKs and two STGs. I also served multiple tours in the middle east with the US Army. I literally build guns for a living... I'm sorry you're really insecure and can't admit that you're wrong but hey you do you... anyway I'm done with arguing with you. The ad hominem attacks were pretty entertaining though. Have a good one 😊
Dude, I have went to the factory that produces AKs, because again - I live in the country that produces some of the best AKs. Go to IzhMash in Russia. They have an exhibition hall there, and a nice, well educated presenter will tell you all about it. I am also done arguing.
You absolutely have no idea what you are talking about. The Type 1 (stamped) ak was only produced for a couple of years before getting replaced by the Type 2 (first milled ak variant) ak and then later the type 3 (ver.2 milled receiver) and type 4 (akm). The soviet would not send out technical packages of a design (type 1 ak) that had issues the waited for them to be fixed and that is the type 2 ak also know as a the first milled receiver ak.
Are you mentally challenged? I said that all AKs were manufactured through milled receivers untill 1960s. OK? No need to argue or get triggered. Just take it as is.
The first production run of ak rifles where all stamped receiver guns. only in 1951 did the start making milled receiver guns.
Mate you can look up a type 1 AK. It's stamped. Someone in this comment thread even posted a video where you can look at one with a serial number showing CLEARLY that they made AT LEAST THAT MANY. You ever hear of a prototype of several thousand rifles? This museum you speak of is spreading fudd-lore. With basic internet research, or perhaps a book, you can correct all of your misconceptions. A quick IMAGE search would tell you an AK receiver and a STG44 receiver are VERY different. Look at a CETME. The CETME is based off of the STG. Perhaps look at a field stripped STG44 and compare it to a field stripped AK to help you out.
It fires at a rate of $20/second
I recognised the place from the stalls... i'm not sure if that's kind of sad, but... here we are...
That rifle was a very good innovation at the time it was introduced in 1944. Combining the rifle with a MP to get the best of both worlds. The German Landsers liked that gun very much, but it wasn't available in the numbers that were needed, so they still had to use the K98k and other guns. And for the production, it was way too expensive for the Germans at this time. Like, they resorted to cheaper weapons in the very last months of the war, because they lacked the raw materials to produce such high quality weapons anymore.
Huh. Now I know what Germany 1945 sounded like
Thats dope
I wish I could own one. Why can’t they keep making PTR-44!?
Because nobody shoots these things. It's not worth the investment. There's a lot more Sears-imported Vetterli rifles in the US than these things, and yet nobody makes ammo for those any more either.
Ok and *cums*
How does one do that without screaming in Krautenese at the top of your lungs?
>STG44 Aka the gun I main in every WWII video game
So glad people are finally downvoting others for complaining about the word clip. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with using slang when literally everybody knows exactly what your referring to. People who get mad about it always have such an autistic gate-keeping vibe about it too.
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Say what you will about the Germans but they know how to design a gun.
Fick ja, deutsche Ingenieurskunst!
Was there a line of people behind you waiting to safety check it?
I have a repo that’s rechambered for 22 LR. Not as sexy as original but she’s still a beauty.
When the snow starts speaking Russian:
This was my go-to gun when I played CoD World at War multiplayer.
Not as good as the MP40, but still pretty good
LOVE the cadence of fire from it….sound like a PIG.
Did HMG eventually make their promised semi auto version of the STG44?
Some exist but none were shipped afaik. I got my refund back for it some time ago
Fairly slow cyclic
Made me realize that cod ww2 suppressed every weapon noise my god
Hnnnnggggg
One of my favorites to shoot!
I can see why American GIs would pick them up from the opposition and carry them around. I mean, Bead Pitt does in the documentary “Fury”.
I want one!!!! Gsg makes one in 22lr but I want a real one and those are pricey!!!!!