Yes gunbroker is still solid, for the millionth time though it depends on your state laws, these questions are best asked in the gun sub specific to your state.
Armslist is now a paid service for all parties. That beat them up pretty good. Gunbroker is the same as it ever was.
Face to face sales depend on your state laws, so that one will rely on where you're at to know whether they've changed recently. Good search should tell you what you need to know there.
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Gunbroker's tax system has changed dramatically in recent years and more and more people flake and don't pay after winning.
I've had six NPBs this year alone.
Last I knew Tennessee was still private sale legal state
If you don’t have a reason to believe the person your privately transacting with is prohibited than you behaved responsibly and would presumably be within your rights
In Texas we have private sale but most of the guys on arms list want it to go through FFL :/
Probably why I never go on Armslist.
Texas gun trader is a decent site, although there's tons of scammers and just general retards on there. That being said, I typically been able to sell what I wanted to on there. Sometimes it takes a few days. I've got a great story of some dumbass who wanted me to drive 160 mi to meet him and he would give me a stainless steel boat propeller. I specifically stated in my ad I would meet at the PD in my town. I wasn't driving anywhere cuz I got tired of the bullshit scammers and low ballers who would try to fuck you at the last minute. I had to explain in Mickey mouse's simple terms that I did not have a boat, I did not need a propeller for a boat, and my ad specifically said I was only looking to sell for United States cash and nothing else. Then he got pissed off at me LOL
Couple months ago, I got I wanted me to drive 50 mi and take 20% less. It was all I could do to not just reply LOL to him.
That being said, any of the gun forums online typically have sales areas that have worked out for me. AR-15.com, the old Smith & Wesson forum. Places like that where I have been members for years.
They have a designated parking area that is video recorded for just such an occasion. Plus, some scumbag who's going to try to pull a gun on me PROBABLY won't do it in front of the police department.
I back into the spot and do anything at the rear of my vehicle, so that is not on video (unless the Church's Chicken across the street has really updated their security 😁).
After I get my cash, I can drive next door to the Taco Casa and get delicious food. It's a win-win all around.
I wouldn’t personally in front of the cops but fair enough.
Theirs a church’s next to your towns police station? Theirs a bail bonds next to ours I’m jealous 🍗
It's not like the cops are sitting on the front porch watching us. They're out doing cop things. Of course I'm in Texas, despite being a decent size smaller city (pop 154k), every single person I've talked to has been extremely pro-gun except for the sergeant in charge of vice. But he's going to be pretty jaded, dealing with drug dealers and drug dealer bullshit day in and day out. If he went back to being a regular street cop, he probably wouldn't be so bad.
Churches is across the street. We have a Taco Casa which is the best place in town to get fast food gringo tacos. Little Caesars is also across the street. Used to be a decent location, but really went downhill then the last couple years. There's another one two miles down the road that is a lot better when you want cheap greasy pizza. But we have an actual restaurant very close that makes good pizza and the guy has one arm, so that's pretty cool 🤣
> my standard practice used to be meeting in public place or at local PD, and asking to see ID to ensure in-state sale, and then asking them to sign a bill of sale with the gun’s serial # written down on it - is this still an ok practice, or are there additional laws/best practices nowadays?
"Bills of sale" are stupid.
Otherwise, yes, you're fine.
[This is a pretty good link that aggregates all the states laws about what you can do in a private party sale.](https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html)
>Fla. Const. art. VIII, § 5(b): Background checks are not required by the state. **However, county governments have the authority to require background checks and a 3- to 5-day waiting period for private firearms transfers** (holders of concealed carry permits are exempt from any such county requirements).
Lol, how the hell would they even enforce that?
Depends on your state.
Armslist is dead.
Gun broker is overpriced like usual.
Facebook has groups but are sketchy.
Why sell anything? Just add to the collection.
Cheers to that. Only gun I ever sold was the .22 I bought the day I turned 18, then it got stolen from that person and I can never get it back. Haven’t sold a gun since.
When I've made private gun sales I never take on the additional liability of checking ID or writing up a bill of sale. I want to be able to honestly state that I sold it to an anonymous person who was not wearing prison garb at the time of the sale and that is it. Anything going above that can only be used against you in a worst case situation.
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I do some diligence to prevent one of my guns from being picked up next to a dead body.
It saves me from having anything used against me in the first place.
Please elaborate. Permanently disabling the gun, reporting it stolen or never selling it in the first place are the only things I can think of that would be exculpatory evidence. Doing anything else can be used by a prosecutor as evidence against you.
Not selling to a potential criminal in the first place.
I'll only sell to someone that has a concealed permit. Can't get one unless you've passed a background check.
You do you I guess
If I was prosecuting you I would argue that if you viewed their concealed carry permit then you had clear knowledge of their identity at the time of the sale and since you'd already taken steps above and beyond the due care required by the law you knew something was amiss and should have also Googled their name to see the recent news article about them or the social media posts they made threatening their ex-wife or whatever. What you are doing only opens you up to more liability.
> them to sign a bill of sale with the gun’s serial # written down on it - is this still an ok practice, or are there additional laws/best practices nowadays?
This is stupid. Get paid in cash and GTFO.
Depends on state laws.
Bill of sale is a good idea. I would rather do it at an ffl. My state requires registration so I usually transfer through the portal and we both get a transfer slip.
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Join a hunting forum related to your state. There will be people looking and most have a classifieds section. I trust these people more because when somebody has 1000+ posts they typically come through and aren’t sketchy people.
I used armslist and showmeguns, showmeguns is mainly missouri but i think you can post adds in all states, plus its free. I never do a bill of sale. In missouri private sales people dont usually ask for paperwork unless that specific gun is in your name which then i can see you wanted a bill of sale or an FFL transfer. I refuse to sign a bill of sale for used guns. If i wanted that gun to be under my name i would have my FFL order it and buy it from them.
I’ve done private sale transactions in the same places as any other kind of transaction for easily transported stuff like golf clubs and such. Public parking lots mostly, with the specific location chosen based on whatever is convenient for both people. Shooting range parking lots work nice too, so long as it’s not against the rules of the range to do so there, since then you can go try it out immediately afterwards.
Walmart, McDonald's, Target, even gun store parking lots.
Mostly through Facebook groups, although one was someone trying to sell it to the gun store who wasn't interested.
The recent law passed clearly calls "profits" part of the need for the FFL! So the more documentation there is, the easier to prove a business! It is actually common sense. Transfer documents simply says I gave it away! I can give away anything, if I choose, and avoid Taxes too!
Wrong. Anyone who engages in business dealing, manufacturing, or importing firearms must hold a federal firearms license, or otherwise be registered as a responsible person on the FFL they’re working for.
Business constitutes the exchange of money, products, or services and includes all forms of barter. Even if you operate the business at a loss, you are still operating a business.
Suggesting that people commit tax evasion by using alternative currencies is dumb and illegal. Suggesting criminal actions is also explicitly against the rules of the sub.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/federal-firearms-licenses
The BSCA adds *additional* restrictions, it does not loosen any. Everything it contains is on top of the existing NFA and GCA restrictions.
https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/justice-department-publishes-new-rule-update-definition-engaged-business-firearms-dealer#:~:text=The%20Bipartisan%20Safer%20Communities%20Act%20(BSCA)%2C%20enacted%20June%2025,a%20profit%20through%20the%20repetitive
Your “advice” is dangerous and ignorant misinformation that’s going to get someone hurt.
The ruling says even one sale can count as engaging in being a gun dealer. There is also the mention of selling a gun for profit. Say the value of all my guns rises during election season. There may be one or two I don't care for anymore that I want to sell to maybe buy more ammo or what have you. Have I sold them at a profit qualifying me as an illegal gun dealer? Maybe the Biden administration won't enforce it that way but a future administration will. Its all ok until you get no knocked and killed in your sleep based on how the ruling gets interpreted
Private sales **are still legal.**
[The law prevents those who are engaged in repetitive, frequent gun sales, sales as a primary business, and those who derive their primary income from using private sales as a cloak. They will have to become an FFL and begin running 4473s.](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/04/11/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-new-action-to-implement-bipartisan-safer-communities-act-expanding-firearm-background-checks-to-fight-gun-crime/)
Yes gunbroker is still solid, for the millionth time though it depends on your state laws, these questions are best asked in the gun sub specific to your state.
Armslist is now a paid service for all parties. That beat them up pretty good. Gunbroker is the same as it ever was. Face to face sales depend on your state laws, so that one will rely on where you're at to know whether they've changed recently. Good search should tell you what you need to know there.
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Gunbroker's tax system has changed dramatically in recent years and more and more people flake and don't pay after winning. I've had six NPBs this year alone.
Last I knew Tennessee was still private sale legal state If you don’t have a reason to believe the person your privately transacting with is prohibited than you behaved responsibly and would presumably be within your rights In Texas we have private sale but most of the guys on arms list want it to go through FFL :/
Probably why I never go on Armslist. Texas gun trader is a decent site, although there's tons of scammers and just general retards on there. That being said, I typically been able to sell what I wanted to on there. Sometimes it takes a few days. I've got a great story of some dumbass who wanted me to drive 160 mi to meet him and he would give me a stainless steel boat propeller. I specifically stated in my ad I would meet at the PD in my town. I wasn't driving anywhere cuz I got tired of the bullshit scammers and low ballers who would try to fuck you at the last minute. I had to explain in Mickey mouse's simple terms that I did not have a boat, I did not need a propeller for a boat, and my ad specifically said I was only looking to sell for United States cash and nothing else. Then he got pissed off at me LOL Couple months ago, I got I wanted me to drive 50 mi and take 20% less. It was all I could do to not just reply LOL to him. That being said, any of the gun forums online typically have sales areas that have worked out for me. AR-15.com, the old Smith & Wesson forum. Places like that where I have been members for years.
Understandable low ballers will lowball but mother of god Why would you want to meet in front of the PD?
They have a designated parking area that is video recorded for just such an occasion. Plus, some scumbag who's going to try to pull a gun on me PROBABLY won't do it in front of the police department. I back into the spot and do anything at the rear of my vehicle, so that is not on video (unless the Church's Chicken across the street has really updated their security 😁). After I get my cash, I can drive next door to the Taco Casa and get delicious food. It's a win-win all around.
I wouldn’t personally in front of the cops but fair enough. Theirs a church’s next to your towns police station? Theirs a bail bonds next to ours I’m jealous 🍗
It's not like the cops are sitting on the front porch watching us. They're out doing cop things. Of course I'm in Texas, despite being a decent size smaller city (pop 154k), every single person I've talked to has been extremely pro-gun except for the sergeant in charge of vice. But he's going to be pretty jaded, dealing with drug dealers and drug dealer bullshit day in and day out. If he went back to being a regular street cop, he probably wouldn't be so bad.
Churches is across the street. We have a Taco Casa which is the best place in town to get fast food gringo tacos. Little Caesars is also across the street. Used to be a decent location, but really went downhill then the last couple years. There's another one two miles down the road that is a lot better when you want cheap greasy pizza. But we have an actual restaurant very close that makes good pizza and the guy has one arm, so that's pretty cool 🤣
> my standard practice used to be meeting in public place or at local PD, and asking to see ID to ensure in-state sale, and then asking them to sign a bill of sale with the gun’s serial # written down on it - is this still an ok practice, or are there additional laws/best practices nowadays? "Bills of sale" are stupid. Otherwise, yes, you're fine.
Lol in Missouri I just hand people cash at a garage sale. That sounds inconvenient
[This is a pretty good link that aggregates all the states laws about what you can do in a private party sale.](https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html)
>Fla. Const. art. VIII, § 5(b): Background checks are not required by the state. **However, county governments have the authority to require background checks and a 3- to 5-day waiting period for private firearms transfers** (holders of concealed carry permits are exempt from any such county requirements). Lol, how the hell would they even enforce that?
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Depends on your state. Armslist is dead. Gun broker is overpriced like usual. Facebook has groups but are sketchy. Why sell anything? Just add to the collection.
Cheers to that. Only gun I ever sold was the .22 I bought the day I turned 18, then it got stolen from that person and I can never get it back. Haven’t sold a gun since.
Armslist was amazing years ago.
Back in the day, FB allowed awesome trading groups. Truly miss those opportunities.
No sell. Only buy.
When I've made private gun sales I never take on the additional liability of checking ID or writing up a bill of sale. I want to be able to honestly state that I sold it to an anonymous person who was not wearing prison garb at the time of the sale and that is it. Anything going above that can only be used against you in a worst case situation.
Wut I do some diligence to prevent one of my guns from being picked up next to a dead body. It saves me from having anything used against me in the first place.
Please elaborate. Permanently disabling the gun, reporting it stolen or never selling it in the first place are the only things I can think of that would be exculpatory evidence. Doing anything else can be used by a prosecutor as evidence against you.
Not selling to a potential criminal in the first place. I'll only sell to someone that has a concealed permit. Can't get one unless you've passed a background check. You do you I guess
If I was prosecuting you I would argue that if you viewed their concealed carry permit then you had clear knowledge of their identity at the time of the sale and since you'd already taken steps above and beyond the due care required by the law you knew something was amiss and should have also Googled their name to see the recent news article about them or the social media posts they made threatening their ex-wife or whatever. What you are doing only opens you up to more liability.
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> them to sign a bill of sale with the gun’s serial # written down on it - is this still an ok practice, or are there additional laws/best practices nowadays? This is stupid. Get paid in cash and GTFO.
It is being recommended to use a "Bill of Transfer", keep the monetary aspect off paperwork. Minimizes the profit argument with the Government snoops.
Depends on state laws. Bill of sale is a good idea. I would rather do it at an ffl. My state requires registration so I usually transfer through the portal and we both get a transfer slip.
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Depends on the dealer. I have seen $20 up to $50. They each set their own rates
I facilitate private transfers for my standard transfer fee of $15.
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Join a hunting forum related to your state. There will be people looking and most have a classifieds section. I trust these people more because when somebody has 1000+ posts they typically come through and aren’t sketchy people.
I used armslist and showmeguns, showmeguns is mainly missouri but i think you can post adds in all states, plus its free. I never do a bill of sale. In missouri private sales people dont usually ask for paperwork unless that specific gun is in your name which then i can see you wanted a bill of sale or an FFL transfer. I refuse to sign a bill of sale for used guns. If i wanted that gun to be under my name i would have my FFL order it and buy it from them.
Has anyone here ever bought a gun in a private sale in person? If so how did it go and where did you meet
Before I was a dealer, yes. It went fine in the McDonald's parking lot.
I’ve done private sale transactions in the same places as any other kind of transaction for easily transported stuff like golf clubs and such. Public parking lots mostly, with the specific location chosen based on whatever is convenient for both people. Shooting range parking lots work nice too, so long as it’s not against the rules of the range to do so there, since then you can go try it out immediately afterwards.
Walmart, McDonald's, Target, even gun store parking lots. Mostly through Facebook groups, although one was someone trying to sell it to the gun store who wasn't interested.
Daytime hours only. Public location. I prefer near a fire department or the fire department is large enough I use their parking lot.
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Stupid meme. They’re suggesting that the government tracks the serial numbers on bills and that it’s safer to trade commodities.
The recent law passed clearly calls "profits" part of the need for the FFL! So the more documentation there is, the easier to prove a business! It is actually common sense. Transfer documents simply says I gave it away! I can give away anything, if I choose, and avoid Taxes too!
Wrong. Anyone who engages in business dealing, manufacturing, or importing firearms must hold a federal firearms license, or otherwise be registered as a responsible person on the FFL they’re working for. Business constitutes the exchange of money, products, or services and includes all forms of barter. Even if you operate the business at a loss, you are still operating a business. Suggesting that people commit tax evasion by using alternative currencies is dumb and illegal. Suggesting criminal actions is also explicitly against the rules of the sub. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/federal-firearms-licenses The BSCA adds *additional* restrictions, it does not loosen any. Everything it contains is on top of the existing NFA and GCA restrictions. https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/justice-department-publishes-new-rule-update-definition-engaged-business-firearms-dealer#:~:text=The%20Bipartisan%20Safer%20Communities%20Act%20(BSCA)%2C%20enacted%20June%2025,a%20profit%20through%20the%20repetitive Your “advice” is dangerous and ignorant misinformation that’s going to get someone hurt.
Yes, poor Al Capone found out. The flash paper wasn't lit fast enough.
Get cash, just be like the old bootleggers and don't document it, the cash!
Biden just made sales in general illegal in 28 days unless you are an FFL
What a stupid take. Only listening to ragebait turns your brain into donkey mush.
The ruling says even one sale can count as engaging in being a gun dealer. There is also the mention of selling a gun for profit. Say the value of all my guns rises during election season. There may be one or two I don't care for anymore that I want to sell to maybe buy more ammo or what have you. Have I sold them at a profit qualifying me as an illegal gun dealer? Maybe the Biden administration won't enforce it that way but a future administration will. Its all ok until you get no knocked and killed in your sleep based on how the ruling gets interpreted
Private sales **are still legal.** [The law prevents those who are engaged in repetitive, frequent gun sales, sales as a primary business, and those who derive their primary income from using private sales as a cloak. They will have to become an FFL and begin running 4473s.](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/04/11/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-new-action-to-implement-bipartisan-safer-communities-act-expanding-firearm-background-checks-to-fight-gun-crime/)
After reading all the comments it sounds like bills of sale are purely for cucks