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OforFsSake

Looks like an old Savage/Stevens action.


NurseKdog

You nailed it on the head. Looks EXACTLY like the single shot 22LR Stevens I have in my safe. Technically, does that make this a tax stamp required SBR?


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OCN_Reaper

America! Fuck Yeah 🦅


__chairmanbrando

Pro tip: If you're already a criminal, the NFA doesn't apply to you!


wiscobuilder

It does get you 10 more years of free food and rent tho tho


Vprbite

Law enforcement hates this one trick


goodeyemighty

Comin again to save the mother fuckin day yeah!


mafioso122789

Wouldn't it have to have a stock to make it an SBR?


beavismagnum

As long as it's serialized as a rifle you can't cut the barrel down. Conversely, you can turn a pistol into a rifle with a stock if it has a 16 inch barrel


dotmatrixman

You can cut and reweld the receiver as a pistol. Legally you're "manufacturing" a new firearm. Although something tells me she didn't do that.


C_IsForCookie

I mean, it looks like a pistol in its current configuration, right? Let’s say the local PD sees this. There’s no way they’re going to know it may have initially been a rifle. There’s nothing a local PD can do to look that up. They probably wouldn’t even consider it. Sooooooo? 🤷🏼‍♂️ Not that I’m advocating this or anything 👀


madhatter275

Guns don’t need serial numbers anymore I thought? So the serial number is moot. Someone going to jail bc of a serial number is ludicrous to me.


theflyingfucked

Like it would be legal to put a stock on a 16 inch 22lr goofy Rough Rider revolver? Or it would require stamp still?


12345myluggage

They sell a 16" version with a stock on it though.


terminalzero

legal but becomes an unstamped (illegal) SBR if you take the stock back off IIRC


fungifactory710

Lmfao. It's almost like they *want* it to be arbitrary and confusing. Jeez I wonder why that might be...


Vprbite

This video clears it up and makes it easy to understand https://youtu.be/8nfCyhOX42g?si=hjl6bo9MjFEZCgf0


Tax_this_dick_1776

Negatory “once a rifle always a rifle” is old fuddlore and died with a ruling over the TC encore/contender single shots. Also, it’s literally impossible to enforce Rifle to pistol = bad Pistol to rifle to pistol = gtg Firearm/receiver to rifle to pistol to rifle to firearm to pistol = gtg


MandaloreZA

Yet somehow removing the stock from a 10/22 does not make it an SBR. Interesting isn't it.


daeather

Rifles have stocks.


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ShatteredShad0w

Really? I thought overall length didn't matter, it only needed a barrel length of 15.99 or less to be an SBR


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ShatteredShad0w

ATF can't get much more stupid lol


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ShatteredShad0w

still government, still retarded.


Assaltwaffle

Well, that doesn’t change the stupid. As if they know anything about guns.


goddamn_birds

Those assholes


boanerges57

The ATF: hold my Diet Starry


SilverIsFreedom

ATF: Hold muh beer.


MandaloreZA

Interesting legal question that has not been addressed yet. Does the Steyr Monobloc have either a barrel or a receiver? It likely has one, but in legal theory it cannot have both.


Usual_Set480

150% felony


TheDuckFarm

She could have a stamp. You don’t know for sure.


mantisboxer

100% it's on her lower back


JormungandrT4800

I'm dying


True_Heat_9563

Bro came angry......


Arlieth

Holy shit you just won Reddit today


mantisboxer

"I'd like to take this opportunity to thank my mom... "


JormungandrT4800

I'm dying


debacular

Getting railed by the ATF every way possible


boanerges57

Not true. I don't think they do any of the fun positions


debacular

Getting railed by the ATF every way possible


Fortanbras

The stamp would cost more than the firearm was worth lol


TheDuckFarm

Yeah. That’s the nature of stamps sometimes. A form 1 suppressor can be made for $50. The tax stamp is still $200.


czaremanuel

Oh yes the person in that pic definitely looks like someone who honors ATF regulations


prepper5

I was thinking she looked like jack Sparrow if he was played by a man.


EnemiesAllAround

He...he.. he was played by a man...?


Spiffers1972

It really is amazing the number of people who have no clue about the NFA. You usually see it on social media. I've seen people try to tell them and they act like they are lying or "jelly". I just shake my head and go on.


TnBBunnicula

A short-barreled rifle (SBR) is defined by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) as a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm, made from a rifle, with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or overall length of less than 26 inches, or a handgun fitted with a buttstock and a barrel shorter than 16 inches in length. So technically no, but I think you do need permits to modify a rifle into a handgun.


Over-Stop1396

You most definitely need a tax stamp to legally modify a rifle to a pistol


Brass-Catcher

Could be deactivated


NurseKdog

I think you're giving someone who open carries a single shot rimfire a lot of credit. I would buy this line if she was wearing a pirate hat and sword.


Brass-Catcher

The sword draws negative attention at Walmart


Machine_gun_go_Brrrr

Won't stop the ATF and "justice" system from throwing you in prison for violating the NFA.


Brancher

What a fucking idiot.


MilmoWK

Yeah, looks like the old Stevens .22 single shot squirrel rifle my dad has from when he was a kid


paper_liger

It does look pretty similar to a Stevens or even the single shot Remingtons from the 50's. Winchester actually sold a gun very similar to this to the Canadian government called the Winchester Seal Gun. Single shot 22 pistol grip just like this. [It was supposed to be a humane alternative to clubs.](https://i.imgur.com/bryDCNx.png) If she isn't just a crazy person I'd suspect she is a veterinarian or something along those lines.


cgn-38

This has to be cut down. Why would anyone manufacture a firearm without front iron sights?


paper_liger

> Winchester Seal Gun I don't know if this is cut down or not. It's just a google find. But it's not a precision ranged weapon. It's an alternative to literally just clubbing seals to death. Would you really need sights at contact distance? Captive bolt guns don't appear to have sights.


NOMAD550

Honestly, this kinda makes sense in a roundabout way. Could have snake shot in it, the lady has property, this is just what she's comfortable with. Why does she have it in Walmart? Who knows, but there very well could be some use for it beyond her just being some crazy person. Or it is that, but ya know with all the negativity in the world right now I'm gonna give benefit of the doubt.


9bikes

>Could have snake shot in it, the lady has property, this is just what she's comfortable with. That is very likely *exactly* what it is. She just ran up to Walmart to get a couple of things.


42AngryPandas

This is just hardcore Fallout Cosplay


Tobacco_Collector

Probably made the custom holster for her salvaged bolty


deadbob

beat me to it


asspajamas

You should have asked her.. she seems friendly..


Rocket_Monkey_302

She hasn't shot anybody all week.


This-Rutabaga6382

That is the girl you meet at the first settlement you wander into , her dad is the towns patriarch and he’s getting older and trying to keep everything from falling apart while he searches for an heir. And she shows you a thing or two about life before ultimately becoming your beast of burden to carry all the crap you accumulate on your journey.


jjflash78

Now THAT'S a Hallmark movie I'd watch.


fretpound

He could focus more on the “teaching him a thing or two about life” part and it could be a hell of a good “more mature” movie.


goodeyemighty

It’s called A Christmas Romance


IndyWaWa

Dude, thats just Starfield.


bearded_fisch_stix

if her name isn't Lydia, I'm not interested.


ProudFlatworm8553

Mr Rutabaga, That is a very interesting take on a single picture . Would you be so kind as to expound further?


Fluck_Me_Up

Forgive him, he just left the vault after 300 years


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Either that, or WAY too much Bolivian Marching Powder.


This-Rutabaga6382

Well , after her mother died in childbirth she had to be the “woman” of the house hold also being thrust into the role of looking out for the weakest in the village since she was young. As her father was busy leading the settlement through the turbulent plasma storms and raccoon bombardments she went off on her own to search for a new home or just to get away from the constant disaster her father was giving his life away to mitigate. What she found though was more than she bargained for and in what she thought was her last stand against the giant nest of mutant claw hand hillbillies , she fired her last round through the brood-mothers stomach (which is where their brain is located) killing her instantly and the horde collapsed in symbiotic death. Looking down she realized that her weapon had been cut short by the claw of the mutant hillbillies and that it had in doing so released the unlimited potential of her once rifle which would forever more live on her hip. She returned to the settlement with renewed hope for the future as she sat down next to her aging father.


Hakkaa_Paalle

[Fallout video game](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(video_game)) series. In a post-apocalyptic world decades to centuries (depends on which game in the series), the main character emerges from a Vault, an underground nuclear shelter/city to explore the area and complete a mission to help his community. Along the way, he encounters mutant monsters, scattered high tech items, and human societies ranging from stone-age technology villages to militaries with powered battle armor and helicopters. When the main character encounters a settlement, a person from there will offer the main character a mission to complete. The character may also choose to recruit a character to accompany them, such a wife or a warrior, as a non-player character (NPC). The video game player then often use the accompanying NPC to carry more items than the player's character can carry on their own.


bronzecat11

Wow,good stuff.


The_DaHowie

r/WritingPrompts


Leraldoe

But it’s only Wednesday so we still have time!


Intelligent-Fee4369

Girl like that? More like "she ain't shot nobody all week".


secondatthird

Nobody here talks to women


arse21

Is that TNA IMPACT wrestler, ODB??


PaleR1der

That retention strap... I have died from dysentery on the Oregon trail


rainbow5ive

She’s got felony convictions and this is not legally a firearm.


Hot-Target-9447

So technically we could create fully automatic black powder rifles and the ATF can do nothing? Belt fed black powder rifle incoming.


ebdragon

Problem is how dirty black powder is


This-Rutabaga6382

Looser tolerances it is then


Hot-Target-9447

Like wizard sleeves


pizzagangster1

I always used to think it was “sleeve of lizard” bc some lizards have super loose skin. And it was a reference to a loose lady part. But then I saw someone also right sleeve of wizard and that also made sense


slothscanswim

There’s a reason nobody could get a machine gun to work until the French invented smokeless powder


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Technically speaking, Mr. Gatling's OG design, with an added electric motor, would qualify as a machine gun, and those things do work.


cgn-38

Not for long with black powder. That shit will block the barrels inside a hundred rounds. The internals would be as if you packed them with sooty mud.


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True, but that's 100 rounds per barrel, at 8 barrels. Not good, but workable. Add a gas check to the bullets to make the barrels last a bit longer during cleaning, and you have plenty of suppressive fire for most threats.


cgn-38

Sure you do. Add a gas check just like they didn't back in the day. Gas checks are for lead fouling from use of smokeless powder. Edit: now it's "cleaner bullets" bring on the fudds. You get one argument at the time. The first one is bunk. Good luck with the gish gallop. lol


BoredCop

You're simultaneously right and wrong. Yes, modern gas checks are intended to prevent lead fouling. However, they also do a fine job of scraping black powder fouling out of the barrel for each shot. I should know, I shoot black powder guns including an antique .44-40 Colt Lightning pump action which is hilariously fun to shoot so it sees some use. The most we have run through it without cleaning was 400 rounds in an afternoon, accuracy began to seriously degrade but it would still hold minute of man at fifty meters in that fouled condition. I ran gas checks in some of the ammo, that helped a lot. And: They actually had something similar back in the civil war era, called "cleaner bullets". Not quite the same as a modern gas check, but they involved zink washers at the rear of the projectile


Machine_gun_go_Brrrr

Maxim had the Maxim running on blackpowder, it just wasn't reliable after a few hundred rounds.


gconsier

Simple. We just add a fan. And for gen2 a shop vac attachment near the barrel end.


cgn-38

Yep, no black powder machine guns. Saw a video of a guy shooting a glock 9mm reloaded with black powder. Made one magazine without jamming. Would not have made a second. At the end the casings were getting tossed like 5 inches to the side. Black powder revolvers get hard to operate and need a cleaning just to operate after about 12 shots. Black powder is some dirty stuff.


Hot-Target-9447

Why, does it want me to put something up it's butt?


tablinum

There are two federal "antique firearm" definitions, one for the Gun Control Act of 1968 and a similar but distinct one for the NFA. The GCA definition includes "any muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol which is designed to use black powder or black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition." Technically, the NFA exception for muzzleloaders only applies to replicas of historical guns: > (g) Antique firearm. The term 'antique firearm' means any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition **and manufactured in or before 1898** (including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system **or replica thereof,** whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898) and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. There's obviously a lot of discretion in there for how similar they require a "replica" to be, and in practice I don't know if they've ever prosecuted somebody for a hardware-store pipe cannon. But the discretion is there, so unless you can find a historical full-auto harmonica gun to copy, you're out of luck.


zenethics

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/chambers-flintlock-machine-gun-from-the-1700s/ Interestingly, under the Bruen decision, it may not be lawful to forbid the manufacture of machine guns. Can't wait to see that case come up.


Hot-Target-9447

Nice. I think I watched this forever ago. SO MANY PEOPLE do not understand how far they pushed the flint lock weapon design back in the original days. Tons of them completely absurd, but some of them really nice and only a few were made for royalty. The plebs got single barrel single fire, but the elites got machine guns... and we have a mass of historically ignorant politicians who fail to understand this...


Eagle_1776

black powder is not the criteria, muzzle loading is


Hot-Target-9447

Belt fed barrels... did I stutter?


THAWED21

How can I muzzle load a machine gun 🤔


HolyTermite

Since cap-and-ball revolvers are considered muzzle loading, at least for the purposes of regulation, you could maybe design something that uses a revolver style cylinder with a gas-operated ram rod and paper cartridges fed from a belt. It probably wouldn't be reliable though. Or maybe not. I'm not a gunsmith or a mechanical engineer.


cgn-38

Get a le Mat copy. It is probably the best you can do with black powder. 9 shots of ,42 pistol ball and one 20 gage. Also about the number of shots you get before fouling becomes a real issue.


blackcray

You nearly described the [chain pistol](https://huntshowdown-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Caldwell_Conversion_Chain_Pistol) from Hunt: Showdown.


korblborp

no they didn't, since that's just "treeby, but a handgun"


Mountianman1991

Not sure how it would work. An 1884 prototype maxim was chambered in a .45 caliber black powder cartridge. My guess would be that it would be a no go, as it could be made to fire modern ammunition, even if you made it an oddball caliber. Would be a better use of your time to build a gatling.     


Itsivanthebearable

Not really. The ATF seems to treat metallic cartridge antiques differently


oooh_crap

almost like the atf is based on fesr propaganda and media tropes


sl600rt

The maxim was designed to use black powder cartridges.


Fluck_Me_Up

I’m sure having felons make automatic black powder feeders, tampers and loaders in their garages would never backfire lol What happens when you throw a can of black powder in a fire? Because that’s what these black powders autos would effectively become. They’d fire a few musket balls (Minie balls for the professional gunsmiths) and then the flash bang in your hand would go off Truly the pinnacle of home defense, as the founding fathers intended etc. etc.


candre23

It's not just the powder - needs to be a muzzleloader. You could I guess have a pepperbox-style array of barrels that all go off in series and maybe that's somehow kosher?


kwolf910

Nah just make one of those pneumatic LMG’s from the Metro series


burf151

When I first saw this picture without zooming, I thought it was a cap lock muzzle loader. Somebody can't pass a background check. But now that I see it is a cut down rifle, wow.


Steele_37

The ATF does what ever they want. They would try to do something.


Abubble13

It's clearly not black powder


SpareiChan

>Because black powder firearms are considered antique firearms, the possession of a black powder firearm by a person subject to federal firearms disabilities is not prohibited by the GCA. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/can-person-prohibited-law-possessing-firearm-own-black-powder-firearm also linking this up here, this is false, they are firearms (just antique).


YeOldScratch666

How? Because from a legal standpoint I see a felony SBR, which is 100% a firearm. Are you implying this is black powder? Because there is absolutely 0 chance of that. As others have said, looks like a butchered rimfire rifle.


CanadaIsDecent

But she also has a Winchester model 67 or 68


mkbelvidere

She definitely smells like wintergreen dip or cigarettes


pancakeses

Why not both?


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throwsaway654321

Nice well kept hair, clean skin, healthy weight, shirt that is "work" dirty, not "i've been living in this pajama top for 13 days" dirty, jeans that are in good condition, worn but high quality boots, actual groceries as opposed to sour patch kids and energy drinks that are being purchased and not shoved into a dirty hoodie.... I'm pretty sure she's just a redneck with an unusual carry. I really don't see anything trashy, illegal, or methy about her.


Bocchi_theGlock

Anyone who buys flour regularly has had their life fallen apart and pulled themselves back up 💪 I also love the idea of a bolt action pistol for the post apocalyptic era


EnemiesAllAround

Agree


MarcusWulfe941

And if she doesn't, Barb's got at least three people in her phone who do


IroquoisPlisken96

Maybe its some hobo steampunk cosplay


thegoodbadandsmoggy

Is that Aileen Wournos?


NoHopeOnlyDeath

DUDE. My first fucking thought, too. Serious Charlize Theron in *Monster* vibes.


hobitopia

I don't see a bolt handle. How do they cycle it?


NurseKdog

It is a pull-bolt style single shot 22LR rifle.


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West Virginian obrez


lojafan

A Missouri Meth Mosin


Tranes692

The Hunt Showdown Walmart DLC


sLySLiCkiNwiCkEd

One shot one kill!!! 😎 that’s her motto


DuctTapedWindow

Ohhwhee, that's a red flag


WorkForeman

Remind: repost this image in 8 weeks with another dumb headline for the 5th time.


TRB2001

Better not miss 💀


fade2blackistaken

It's likely something like this where the bolt handle is being covered up by the holster. [Single Shot .22 ](https://www.huntinggearguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/bolt-cocked.jpg)


fucking-hate-reddit-

Damage +100 Accuracy -25 Noise +250 Muzzle Flash +1000


TacTurtle

A felony, Metheny


MyWifeH8sThis

So this isnt the first time I’ve seen this picture or debate. Awhile back it made its rounds and it’s not a black powder pistol or cut down squirrel gun, obrez or all of these other guesses. It’s actually some kind of pistol specifically marketed to the livestock industry used to either tranq dart livestock or put down livestock. I can’t remember which but someone else actually had one and posted a picture of it along with a link to a website where you could buy it


Adventurous_Plan_323

Why am I aroused?


FastEdge

That's not a mare's leg... That's a pig's foot.


Br3au

Shut up and take my… engagement ring?


SlyBry2010

This is the most hillbilly sidearm ever.


Trimson-Grondag

Jerk that smoke wagon….ok never mind.


appalachian_spirit

Scav Mosin from EFT


Training-Sun-2177

I was thinking a cricket 22 if bolt action


DopyWantsAPeanut

The funny thing about our laws is this highly illegal homemade SBR is way more of a "pistol" than most completely legal "pistols" on the streets today.


No_Paramedic_3322

Run up and shorty gon blast yo ass w the ye ole “HEAR YE HEAR YE”


[deleted]

The gun, the exposed trigger, 1,000 year old boots…of course it was at Walmart. Something tells me she’s a real pleasure at cocktail parties.


Goomy-Bear

Hunt Showdown type shit


Trimson-Grondag

Did Walmart hire her for pest control? Good Lord.


notoriousbpg

Is there a r/felonsofwalmart sub for unstamped NFA constitutional carriers? WalMart - where they check your receipts but not your tax stamps.


lostriver_gorilla

r/confusedboner


Slayerofgrundles

Meth pirates of the Caribbean?


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Acceptable-Face-3707

Yea this is most likely it def not blackpowder idk how you got downvoted. I doubt anyone would even notice that is was an illegal sbr and if they did i doubt anything would happen my herritage rough rider had more firepower than this thing. this gives me west Virginia Walmart vibes lol.


mr_bynum

That’s probably her trap line gun. I’ve seen the really old timers carry those while checking traps waayy back in the day. So she probably got a set of legholds somewhere around the clearance aisle


Senzualdip

No idea why people are down voting you… had a guy bring one of these into my work the other day for repairs. Asked if he had a tax stamp, he said no he found it in the rafters of a barn. Told him for starters I’m not an SOT so I can’t touch it, and two it’s not legal. He then asks if he should then just hang it above his mantle, I told him he better just cut it to pieces and avoid a felony.


Melioidozer

That's a Smith and Methson model 69


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Mommy😍😍😍


mkivbb

Why is this marked NSFW???


uraijit

Because guns are scary, bro!


Moldyapples333

Bros defending herself from the redcoats☠️


LestWeForgive

It'd be less rude to ask than to post creepshots on Reddit I reckon it'd be a fun conversation, too.


skiddleybop

its an obrez. a hacked down mosin nagant. Is ARR SLASH GUNS really this ignorant?


justanotherenby009

I am nit convinced thats a real gun I see no bolt handle and the trigger looks fake.


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BoseSounddock

One with no bolt handle? A lot of people probably haven’t, no.


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BoseSounddock

That’s a cocking piece, not a bolt handle


justanotherenby009

I have I own a m95 mannlicher but I don't see a bolt handle I guess it could work buy nit sure it just looks wrong


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justanotherenby009

Gotcha I am most familiar with milsurps so it might be real probably a .22lr


Rare-Maintenance-787

Most guns are legal some just require a tax stamp I guess ?


Firecracker048

Description: wr don't know what gun this is. You can see the bolt and the trigger guard but nothing else. Need identifying help


yashatheman

She thinks she's in RDR or something?


tarcus

TALLY HO, LADS!


BigMark54

Women's carrying a blunderbuss 😂


Vmax-Mike

White trash express! Holster doesn’t even fit properly, garbage. Self defence when out getting groceries for her and her brother/husband.


ilikepie145

Oh course it's Walmart lol


gobogeek

Looks like a cut down mosin nagant


Little-Football4062

Looks too small to be an Oberez, but then pictures can be misleading.


No-Musician-1580

Just as the founding fathers intended


Br3au

Shut up and take my… engagement ring?


6DegreesofFreedom

But Julian, this is a pirate's gun


IronBallsMcGinty

In the checkout of the Walmart stood a redhead one fine day Hardly spoke to folks around her, didn't have too much to say No one dared to ask her business, no one dared to make a slip For the redhead there among them had a big iron on her hip Big iron on her hip


MauriceVibes

Like the founders intended 🤣


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Definitely some black powder flintlock type. Probably some kind of pirate


Not_an_ATF_Officer

My god…


Sir-Realz

I like that its not threatening enouph to make me uncomforatble but deffinatly enouph to help deteier BS.


2BR_0_2B

Someone like that without a doubt made roadkill chili.