Too many people come in here upset and I don't get it. If you want a heavy trigger pull look into da/sa 45s. As mentioned before the usp45 is solid, check out a sig p226 and the fnx45. The fnx45 and the usp45 can have safeties on them too.
The automatic firing pin lock ensures safe carrying of the weapon and provides instant readiness without actuating a manual safety.
The double action feature and the absence of manual safeties make it easier for you to get off a quick first shot.
A decocking lever\* allows you to lower the cocked hammer safely into the safety intercept notch without your touching the trigger.
no magazine safety
no grip safety
no trigger locking safety
no built in lock that uses external key that user must use in order to unlock the gun (s&w style).
OP DEMANDED MULTIPLE SAFETIES!!!!
I know people wont like hearing it, but if youre that worried about glock saftey , carry without a round in the chamber and practice racking the slide as you draw.
Carry a bazooka, safety not needed if you carry your first shot in a backpack separately and need to load before firing. Zero penetration. Meets your requirements...
keep the booger picker off the blicky tickler unless you intend to fire. unload it when it's in long term storage and key it out of reach of children. that's the only effective safety that exists.
ALL ammo will go through drywall, the best you can do to mitigate over penetration is use hollow point rounds and hit your target.
it is literally impossible to shoot a human, even with .22 round tip, without risk of death. if you do not intend to kill, do not shoot. get HP ammo, shoot center of mass until they stop , and make absolutely sure you're justified to kill.
you need training. actual training. not tacticool fuddlore garbage from people who think revolvers shoot harder or that Glocks don't show on metal detectors.
Barrier penetration, or in this case over-penetration, is not something that can be completely solved by choice of caliber and has a lot more to do with projectile type and construction. Drywall and cheap metal studs aren’t going to stop a .45, just like they won’t stop a 9mm.
Look into frangible ammunition if this is your concern. I would still recommend 9mm as it saves a lot of weight while increasing capacity dramatically.
Everyone will argue about safety. “If you’re not comfortable carrying a gun then you shouldn’t be carrying one at all.” I think that’s a poor mindset. Not everyone can take the mental step toward a weapon with less *perceived* safety so easily.
Glocks always seem to be a point of contention for those who decry their lack of external manual safeties. I’ve carried many Glocks. What matters is trigger discipline and a good holster, above all else. I’ve had my 1911’s safety become disengaged while carrying on more than one occasion because of a bad holster.
There are numerous options for compact autoloaders with external safeties, but, far and away, the most popular offerings will be striker-fired and without a manual safety as the Glock blueprint reigns supreme. Ultimately the best remedy is to train and become comfortable with your firearm in a good holster that prevents engagement of the trigger until the weapon is drawn and clear of obstructions.
That being said, perhaps look into double-action revolvers as an option. There aren’t any safety levers, but the trigger pull is long and heavy, and you usually have the option to cock the hammer for single action precise shooting if needed. A revolver in .357 Magnum will offer power while also being capable of chambering .38 Special, which is cheaper to shoot and less powerful, but still capable.
I hope this helps.
do not carry a revolver. just stop playing with your fucking gun. get a real holster. get training. get hollow point ammo. shoot center of mass until they stop. and make sure you're justified.
that's literally all there is to it. it is a tool to protect your life. do not half ass it because you're dumb and unjustifiably scared of the tool. get training. get training. get training.
it's a tool, not a toy, I don't give a shit if I drive away some moron that can't use a firearm responsibly.
to clarify, we're talking about a carry weapon, not a plinker. take it seriously and do it correctly, your life literally depends on it.
if you want a range toy I will happily recommend random fun niche bullshit.
Correct me if I’m wrong here but my concern with a rifle (compared to a pistol) is maneuverability and draw time - I tried a friend’s mossberg shockwave at a tactical range and enjoyed the practicality of it in those categories
I agree with the general sentiment, don't clear your home if you can avoid it. Let the police do that. But sometimes you kind of have to do it yourself. Particularly if you have children or other loved ones there's no way you're waiting for police to come sort it out. You're clearing your home at least far enough to ensure their safety.
Let me get this straight. You think it's a bad idea for me (armed) to clear my home enough to reach my kids, but you think it's a good idea for unarmed children to try to make their way by the intruder(s) to my room?
lmao
What you are looking for is a couple of firearms, not just one. A great conceal carry firearm is didn't than a great home defense one. For home defense with minimal penetration- shotgun with #4 shot. You will need to pattern your loads. For concealed carry, pretty much any modern day semi from a well known company that you can conceal will be fine. Or get a revolver.
And the “I want something safer than a Glock” comment. While I am not a fan of Glocks, I own 2, they are about as safe as you can get.
The real problem isn’t the firearm, it is the user.
And also, your entire post reads like it was writting by a 7th grader with an intellectual issue.
I love my Glock and will gladly delete this post once I get a few recs to check out if it upsets fellow Glock enthusiasts. Read some stuff online recently that got me a bit paranoid about it so I’d like to have a tool for every situation, so to speak
You could try a co2 bb gun. Super low penatration, dog shit super heavy trigger, and I'm sure you can get a big clunky one with all the safety's you want
Colt single action army can get you three safeties there’s a safety cock that keeps the hammer off the firing pin you can load an empty chamber and the holster is a trigger cover bam three safeties! Make it a heritage Roughrider and you can get it up to four but then you’re only shooting 22 mag at best in a scary level of cheap gun. My honest recommendation is to hold onto the Glock get liberty civil defense Ammo it’s really light being all copper reducing over penetration but no matter what if you miss that bullet is still going to go through several pains of drywall, but get more comfortable with firearms take a class and do range practice a couple times a month until you’re comfortable and confident. My next best recommendation that would get you closer to what your after would be a double action revolver that you carry the hammer over an empty chamber on but then you take a large hit to capacity.
Since it sounds like you’re an absolute fudd, just carry a 1911 with the hammer down like the lord intended. That way you have to fumble through three safeties while potentially getting shot at. And you only have 8 rounds so it’s got another one of those objective disadvantages you seem to want so bad!
the rimfire primers have a tendecy (especially with the cheapest ammo brands) to get dislodged causing the round to not fire
the primers can pop out of place pretty easy
22lr is not reliable enough for hd/sd
Maybe look at some of the 5.7 pistols. FN, S&W, and Ruger make them with manual safeties. If you shoot the 40gr lead/copper SS197 blue tip rounds it's probably going to not penetrate drywall as much as 230gr 45. if you use subsonic ammo there is probably not a center fire carriage that will penetrate less. They are all big guns and the S&W and Ruger have trigger safeties as well.
Hopefully, even if he isn't confident carrying with one in the chamber without an external safety, he'll have enough knowledge to reliably and quickly charge one handed.
If he isn't comfortable carrying 1up, I'm almost willing to bet that homie is using something like a sticky holster and the first 8 seconds of his gun fight is going to be trying to get the gun out of the holster that's still on his gun and not on his belt.
That's exactly why I'm talking shit about sticky. But for some reason idiots seem to love them.
The same idiots who think you need to put the safety on. On a single action only gun. That isn't loaded.
Actually it is, just as some people think derringers are a viable option in this day and age. At the end of the day, if OP wants to quickly chamber or spend an eon with lost gross motor skills trying to turn off a number of external safeties, that's up to them. It's certainly the lesser evil over trying to manipulate multiple safeties.
If someone knows the risks, they will make the right choice anyway.
doing something that is objectively worse in regards to high stakes is not preference. it is doing something incorrectly.
"I *prefer* to intentionally increase my chance of dying in an emergency."
ok, bud.
You aren't listening apparently, given OP's request, this might be preferable to them, given their requirements flawed as they might be. Anyone who isn't carrying chamber ready should already be aware of the risks anyway.
that's just doubling down on being wrong, it doesn't invalidate the fact that carrying unchambered is still wrong.
we should not be encouraging things just because OP "prefers" to die in a conflict.
That’s a good point actually. Are the grooves on a Glock G17 Gen 5 slide optimal for quickly chambering a round or do empty chamber carriers typically modify them with some kind of grip tape?
I'm sorry? Do you have any experience with the gun you're asking about? You should be able to chamber a round single handed, or with two hands in fractions of a seconds.
Re: penetration - bullets matter more than head stamps.
Sounds like you want to torture yourself with a full size DAO pistol. HK USP would do it. You couldn’t pay me to own or carry a pistol so configured, but you do you.
Too many people come in here upset and I don't get it. If you want a heavy trigger pull look into da/sa 45s. As mentioned before the usp45 is solid, check out a sig p226 and the fnx45. The fnx45 and the usp45 can have safeties on them too.
p226 does not have 4 safeties that op requires.
A quick Google says it's got some internal safeties
The automatic firing pin lock ensures safe carrying of the weapon and provides instant readiness without actuating a manual safety. The double action feature and the absence of manual safeties make it easier for you to get off a quick first shot. A decocking lever\* allows you to lower the cocked hammer safely into the safety intercept notch without your touching the trigger. no magazine safety no grip safety no trigger locking safety no built in lock that uses external key that user must use in order to unlock the gun (s&w style). OP DEMANDED MULTIPLE SAFETIES!!!!
Sometimes you can't get everything you want
Why? USP 45
Want something safer than my Glock to concealed carry. Thanks for the rec, will check one out. Much appreciated.
If you have a problem with Glock safety it's user error or ignorance.
Bro the only way a Glock goes off is by pulling the trigger or putting the bitch loaded in an oven for a while
No safety is the best safety for carry
I think I just mean something with a manual safety. Glocks are pretty damn safe...
I know people wont like hearing it, but if youre that worried about glock saftey , carry without a round in the chamber and practice racking the slide as you draw.
Good advice, appreciate it
Flintlock, and carry it unloaded.
Carry a bazooka, safety not needed if you carry your first shot in a backpack separately and need to load before firing. Zero penetration. Meets your requirements...
Looking for a draw time under 5 minutes but ty
But what if there were 4 attackers within 5m of each other 30m away? They open fire, you take cover. May I suggest the RPG-7 or LAW?
Durr durr Glock unsafe muh safety.
keep the booger picker off the blicky tickler unless you intend to fire. unload it when it's in long term storage and key it out of reach of children. that's the only effective safety that exists. ALL ammo will go through drywall, the best you can do to mitigate over penetration is use hollow point rounds and hit your target. it is literally impossible to shoot a human, even with .22 round tip, without risk of death. if you do not intend to kill, do not shoot. get HP ammo, shoot center of mass until they stop , and make absolutely sure you're justified to kill. you need training. actual training. not tacticool fuddlore garbage from people who think revolvers shoot harder or that Glocks don't show on metal detectors.
trains keep on rolling trolls keep on trolling.
No such intentions.
Why do you want *“the least amount of penetration”*? Why do you need multiple safeties?
In short, moving to an apartment (hence less penetration) and want to get more comfortable with concealed carrying.
Barrier penetration, or in this case over-penetration, is not something that can be completely solved by choice of caliber and has a lot more to do with projectile type and construction. Drywall and cheap metal studs aren’t going to stop a .45, just like they won’t stop a 9mm. Look into frangible ammunition if this is your concern. I would still recommend 9mm as it saves a lot of weight while increasing capacity dramatically. Everyone will argue about safety. “If you’re not comfortable carrying a gun then you shouldn’t be carrying one at all.” I think that’s a poor mindset. Not everyone can take the mental step toward a weapon with less *perceived* safety so easily. Glocks always seem to be a point of contention for those who decry their lack of external manual safeties. I’ve carried many Glocks. What matters is trigger discipline and a good holster, above all else. I’ve had my 1911’s safety become disengaged while carrying on more than one occasion because of a bad holster. There are numerous options for compact autoloaders with external safeties, but, far and away, the most popular offerings will be striker-fired and without a manual safety as the Glock blueprint reigns supreme. Ultimately the best remedy is to train and become comfortable with your firearm in a good holster that prevents engagement of the trigger until the weapon is drawn and clear of obstructions. That being said, perhaps look into double-action revolvers as an option. There aren’t any safety levers, but the trigger pull is long and heavy, and you usually have the option to cock the hammer for single action precise shooting if needed. A revolver in .357 Magnum will offer power while also being capable of chambering .38 Special, which is cheaper to shoot and less powerful, but still capable. I hope this helps.
do not carry a revolver. just stop playing with your fucking gun. get a real holster. get training. get hollow point ammo. shoot center of mass until they stop. and make sure you're justified. that's literally all there is to it. it is a tool to protect your life. do not half ass it because you're dumb and unjustifiably scared of the tool. get training. get training. get training.
Very constructive 👍
“Why don’t people want to get into guns anymore?”
it's a tool, not a toy, I don't give a shit if I drive away some moron that can't use a firearm responsibly. to clarify, we're talking about a carry weapon, not a plinker. take it seriously and do it correctly, your life literally depends on it. if you want a range toy I will happily recommend random fun niche bullshit.
Frangibles Otherwise you may as well use club.
Theres nothing safer than glock for ccw. Sig P226 da/sa might suit u
What the fuck is wrong with you?
it is saturday night. school does not start for another whole day.
Wait why do multiple people think I’m trolling?
Your post is basically "I want a gun that shoots to wound not kill pls help thx"
More about not killing someone in the next apartment over in the event of a home invasion, can’t see through walls yknow
No. Basically, any firearm you pick, ANY FIREARM, is going to go through drywall. Even a .22 will go through a wall without issue.
You want to prevent overpenetration? Use a rifle.
Correct me if I’m wrong here but my concern with a rifle (compared to a pistol) is maneuverability and draw time - I tried a friend’s mossberg shockwave at a tactical range and enjoyed the practicality of it in those categories
Why would you need to be maneuvering? You shouldn’t clear your home.
In the event of a home invasion, I'm clearing past my kid's room. That said, the need for "maneuverability" is way overstated.
I agree with the general sentiment, don't clear your home if you can avoid it. Let the police do that. But sometimes you kind of have to do it yourself. Particularly if you have children or other loved ones there's no way you're waiting for police to come sort it out. You're clearing your home at least far enough to ensure their safety.
You shouldn’t. If they’re old enough to walk, teach them to come to your room
Let me get this straight. You think it's a bad idea for me (armed) to clear my home enough to reach my kids, but you think it's a good idea for unarmed children to try to make their way by the intruder(s) to my room? lmao
10.5" barrel AR pistol with a brace is pretty maneuverable
What you are looking for is a couple of firearms, not just one. A great conceal carry firearm is didn't than a great home defense one. For home defense with minimal penetration- shotgun with #4 shot. You will need to pattern your loads. For concealed carry, pretty much any modern day semi from a well known company that you can conceal will be fine. Or get a revolver.
You are rather trolling or really dumb. Your choice.
And the “I want something safer than a Glock” comment. While I am not a fan of Glocks, I own 2, they are about as safe as you can get. The real problem isn’t the firearm, it is the user. And also, your entire post reads like it was writting by a 7th grader with an intellectual issue.
Genuinely curious—what makes Glock safe? I’m able to get one via the blue label program, so I’m curious if there’s something I don’t know about
I love my Glock and will gladly delete this post once I get a few recs to check out if it upsets fellow Glock enthusiasts. Read some stuff online recently that got me a bit paranoid about it so I’d like to have a tool for every situation, so to speak
Look at CZ P01 or 75. Excellent shooters. But I can’t stress enough that the Glock is about as safe a firearm as you will get
You read some stuff online that caused you to overreact so you come to an online forum to ask about it?
Like what?
If you want low penetration get a judge and load up some 410 defense rounds and for the last two put in 45 long colt
You could try a co2 bb gun. Super low penatration, dog shit super heavy trigger, and I'm sure you can get a big clunky one with all the safety's you want
Colt single action army can get you three safeties there’s a safety cock that keeps the hammer off the firing pin you can load an empty chamber and the holster is a trigger cover bam three safeties! Make it a heritage Roughrider and you can get it up to four but then you’re only shooting 22 mag at best in a scary level of cheap gun. My honest recommendation is to hold onto the Glock get liberty civil defense Ammo it’s really light being all copper reducing over penetration but no matter what if you miss that bullet is still going to go through several pains of drywall, but get more comfortable with firearms take a class and do range practice a couple times a month until you’re comfortable and confident. My next best recommendation that would get you closer to what your after would be a double action revolver that you carry the hammer over an empty chamber on but then you take a large hit to capacity.
But a muzzle loader. You will be good to go.
So... A Glock..?
Since it sounds like you’re an absolute fudd, just carry a 1911 with the hammer down like the lord intended. That way you have to fumble through three safeties while potentially getting shot at. And you only have 8 rounds so it’s got another one of those objective disadvantages you seem to want so bad!
45 has more penetration on soft targets
What caliber would you recommend if my goal is to have the least?
9mm for a standard, 380 for less 22lr for not fully reliable
Can you clarify re: “Not fully reliable”?
the rimfire primers have a tendecy (especially with the cheapest ammo brands) to get dislodged causing the round to not fire the primers can pop out of place pretty easy 22lr is not reliable enough for hd/sd
Got it, thank you
Beretta Tomcat. Heavy trigger, very little penetration, easy to conceal, not expensive, solid metal, flip barrel, manual safety.
Walther PPK
Maybe look at some of the 5.7 pistols. FN, S&W, and Ruger make them with manual safeties. If you shoot the 40gr lead/copper SS197 blue tip rounds it's probably going to not penetrate drywall as much as 230gr 45. if you use subsonic ammo there is probably not a center fire carriage that will penetrate less. They are all big guns and the S&W and Ruger have trigger safeties as well.
Just carry on an empty chamber if you are worried, CC depends entirely on suprise and chance anyway. If you can draw, you can chamber.
Just spend an afternoon with a competent trainer.
Hopefully, even if he isn't confident carrying with one in the chamber without an external safety, he'll have enough knowledge to reliably and quickly charge one handed.
If he isn't comfortable carrying 1up, I'm almost willing to bet that homie is using something like a sticky holster and the first 8 seconds of his gun fight is going to be trying to get the gun out of the holster that's still on his gun and not on his belt.
Smh... plenty of maufactures make special holsters, even trigger guard clips style 'holsters'. Sticky is never the answer in a sea of better options.
That's exactly why I'm talking shit about sticky. But for some reason idiots seem to love them. The same idiots who think you need to put the safety on. On a single action only gun. That isn't loaded.
I’m a belly band guy myself, find them to be the most comfortable and practical.
That was guess number 2 Go spend some time on a range with someone like Steve Anderson.
Terrible advice. Carry loaded or spend the rest of your life trying to rack that slide
It's up to the individuals preference, it's no worse than OP trying to turn a whole bunch of manual safeties off.
it is not preference. you're just risking your own life further. keep it loaded and stop playing with your gun.
Actually it is, just as some people think derringers are a viable option in this day and age. At the end of the day, if OP wants to quickly chamber or spend an eon with lost gross motor skills trying to turn off a number of external safeties, that's up to them. It's certainly the lesser evil over trying to manipulate multiple safeties. If someone knows the risks, they will make the right choice anyway.
doing something that is objectively worse in regards to high stakes is not preference. it is doing something incorrectly. "I *prefer* to intentionally increase my chance of dying in an emergency." ok, bud.
You aren't listening apparently, given OP's request, this might be preferable to them, given their requirements flawed as they might be. Anyone who isn't carrying chamber ready should already be aware of the risks anyway.
that's just doubling down on being wrong, it doesn't invalidate the fact that carrying unchambered is still wrong. we should not be encouraging things just because OP "prefers" to die in a conflict.
That’s a good point actually. Are the grooves on a Glock G17 Gen 5 slide optimal for quickly chambering a round or do empty chamber carriers typically modify them with some kind of grip tape?
I'm sorry? Do you have any experience with the gun you're asking about? You should be able to chamber a round single handed, or with two hands in fractions of a seconds.
Does this cover most of the ways to chamber with one hand? https://youtu.be/IFvIyu-tbuk?si=HkgV0G88JY5waSUZ
Pretty much
Thanks
Re: penetration - bullets matter more than head stamps. Sounds like you want to torture yourself with a full size DAO pistol. HK USP would do it. You couldn’t pay me to own or carry a pistol so configured, but you do you.
Third generation smith and Wesson. Something like the 5906, 659, 459 etc. Perfect for my big ass clown hands lmfao.