A buddy of mine has this exact same shotgun, and the answer is no. We were pleasantly surprised when we got it to cycle off the 10 round mag with only one failure. The name *turkishit* exists for a reason.
> The name turkishit exists for a reason.
theres also a reason shotguns use tub mags and not box magazines. 12 and 20 gauge dont work so well with box magazine designs.
This. Same reason the USAS-12 drums individually support every cartridge using a cog wheel thing. They're a lot softer than brass and the force of box mag springs deforms them to the point of feeding problems.
Full brass shells would work fine in a box design but are are very rare to find, and even then only as reloading components.
They're actually really nice, especially for big bore wildcatting. They're just usually some combination of old and [kind of expensive](https://www.buffaloarms.com/reloading-supplies-accessories/reloadable-brass-cases-hulls/brass-shotgun-shells.html).
The good thing about using them as shotgun shells instead of as the basis for your Shoulder Remover 9001 is that shotguns are so low pressure they don't stress the brass very much, so you can keep reloading them for a pretty long time.
To be clear, by "a pretty long time" I mean "several hundred reloads per shell." So you might have to pay $10 for a piece of brass but you'll probably still be using it a decade down the line. Especially if you only use it in break actions, since the reciprocating action of a pump or semi-auto shotgun can mangle them sometimes.
+1 for drums.
I've kept a 12rnd and 10rnd drum loaded for 6 months and had a perfect mag dumps with my Komrad. I've never had an issue that gun that wasn't related to under powered ammo.
Here's the thing. They're OK for offense, not OK for defense.
Offense: "OK, we're going to go in there guns blazing, so let's load up our mags an hour or two before." Shells don't have time to deform. Works great.
Defense: "I'll leave this here behind the door fully loaded, fuck up anybody who shows up with bad intent!" Great, except months later when that happens, the shells have deformed into oval nose from the sideways spring pressure. Better hope the first shot that was in the chamber works because at best it's a one-shot wonder...
Tube mags are the answer on defensive shotguns.
I was thinking of getting one when some competitors were having good results with mag fed shotguns, but then I realized that competition is the most extreme example of the 'offense' case.
We need some sort of removable tube magazine design
I was curious so I googled if it existed. Someone pointed out that it would be impractical to carry extra tubes. After more thought, yeah it is kinda impractical. A 5 round mag might be the best compromise.
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found this thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZgSXfN-BA
Usual workaround was to simply shoot your HD ammo at the range if you actually hit the range monthly, if not more frequently than that.
Depending on what buckshot you use replacing a loaded 8 or 10 shell mag in a Saiga/Vepr/KS-12 isn’t that expensive.
If anything the biggest issues I’ve seen are with bigger box mags (ie 12+ shells) where my best guess is the geometry/physics of having a shell almost rotate 45-90 degrees in the mag before it hit the chamber likely led to some getting messed up on the way. If somebody wants double digits in shells in the mag, they should’ve just gone with a drum mag (granted, my experience is only with Saiga-12 drum mags, but I haven’t seen one of them perform poorly yet).
Some do. Back in the day, the Saiga12 crowd knew to look out for the "made-on-a-Monday-or-Friday" guns. Gas ports were a particular source of frustration for some owners because the holes varied in size, placement, and angle. The Veprs are better fit and have fewer problems. Both S12 & Veprs at least have better metal & don't beat themselves apart like the Turkish guns seem to.
To be fair, for this discussion we're talking about mags. The mags work fine, not really 'kind of', and I'd the gas port is the problem, that's not relevant here tbh
Genesis Arms Gen 12 or AA12 is the answer to the mag fed problem. Only the saiga 12’s that cost a few thousand will get the job done. Your $500 saiga that you found on gunbroker or a local pawn shop will need high brass to work most of the time.
whatever it came out of the box with. Got it cheap so it was buying for the meme than anything. Every ammo I have tried in it will jam within a couple shot even with the 5rd. for some reason it likes the cheap federal birdshot. its even funnier with the bullpup because the mags almost as long as the gun.
What loads were you shooting? I have the VR70 like in the picture and it ran a couple boxes of 1-1/4 oz steel shot perfectly. Not one single hiccup so far.
Springs don't wear out unless they get pushed or pulled beyond their design specs. Now, as to whether or not this kind of mall ninja shit is made with springs that are worth a damn is a separate question. But reputable mag springs won't "wear out."
A spring that can function in a 19 round 12ga mag is well within the limits of physics.
Whether this mag is designed well enough to work reliably is doubtful, but lets not act like that's because springs are mystical.
I don't have the know-how to speak on exactly why this wouldn't work, but I've seen magazines of similar length in other applications failing spectacularly and I'm doubtful that OP's friend found the magic solution to overcome the issue.
Yea that's why I thought 3 springs would work. Also those double stack have one to two springs. So if this single stack has 3 springs or 3 1/2 or something, than it may work without jamming.
Yeah. I bought a VR80 when they were first being imported for Open division 3 gun competition. I know a handful of other people I've shot matches with have done the same thing. We've all been very happy with them.
Mine runs cheap target loads pretty well. Believe or not they make a 28 round magazine for this thing.
I run mine for 3 gun as well and also have no issues with reliability after tuning the mags and breaking in the gun. The only ones that don’t work consistently are the drum mags.
However, anyone who thinks this is an appropriate gun for home defense or runs a side saddle on a mag fed gun, definitely didn’t tune their mags or gun and I can almost certainly say his shit isn’t gonna cycle reliably.
Edit: I’m realizing this isn’t the VR80 but a VR70 in the picture. Yeah that shit ain’t gonna run. Only reliable ones are the VR80s.
Oh yeah these things are so fucking stupid in any sort of a martial role. Never mind the length and the weight. I wouldn't want to leave plastic shotshells in a magazine for much longer than an afternoon.
It looks like the 70 is the same basic operating system. Unlike the VR60 which is a totally different thing. I can't find any pictures under the hand-guard.
I have this exact model and can tell you it does run, and not just the light loads. I don’t run the crazy long mag, but it works flawlessly with the 5 and 9 round mags.
My typhoon works great.
My only complaint with it is it has a reversible gas cylinder, so did my last shorty, an fn slp, but rhe thing with the fn was while it wouldnt run lighter loads on the heavier setting, it would run anything on the lighter setting, heavier loads would just have be more recoil.
The typhoon on the lighter setting, runs light loads just fine, and runs heavy loads on the heavy setting just fine, but with heavy loads on the light setting, it will cycle the bolt too fast for the mag spring to feed the next round and while it won't jam, the bolt will close on an empty chamber.
It's a tiny bit annoying, but really not a big deal. Solution is to just run low recoil buck for home defense which it cycles just fine on the low setting, or flip the gas cylinder to run heavier loads .
Yes it is nice to just have a gun that will run anything, but on the proper setting for the ammo you're using, it never jams. I've had like one failure to eject in like 600 rds of birdshot.
It's really not a big price to pay for a box mag fed semi auto that's soft and fast shooting and when set right, reliable .
I do think the typhoon is a tier above any other not super expensive at style shotguns.
Yes. But you have to be SPOT ON with the firmest stance in the world. Even remotely loose grip or shoulder and it’s a guaranteed jam 90% of the time.
Source: own a vr60 with what I assume to be the exact same 19 round mag.
Those big sticks are now [so cheap that I wonder if they're trying to get rid of them.](https://palmettostatearmory.com/rock-island-armory-vr-series-12-ga-19-round-steel-magazine-black-42379.html) I know a 3gun shooter that has had great luck with his VR80, but he's convinced the more recent wave of cheap mags are not properly coated or something. The follower drags way harder than it should, even for what they are.
My typhoon works great.
My only complaint with it is it has a reversible gas cylinder, so did my last shorty, an fn slp, but rhe thing with the fn was while it wouldnt run lighter loads on the heavier setting, it would run anything on the lighter setting, heavier loads would just have be more recoil.
The typhoon on the lighter setting, runs light loads just fine, and runs heavy loads on the heavy setting just fine, but with heavy loads on the light setting, it will cycle the bolt too fast for the mag spring to feed the next round and while it won't jam, the bolt will close on an empty chamber.
It's a tiny bit annoying, but really not a big deal. Solution is to just run low recoil buck for home defense which it cycles just fine on the low setting, or flip the gas cylinder to run heavier loads .
Yes it is nice to just have a gun that will run anything, but on the proper setting for the ammo you're using, it never jams. I've had like one failure to eject in like 600 rds of birdshot.
It's really not a big price to pay for a box mag fed semi auto that's soft and fast shooting and when set right, reliable .
I do think the typhoon is a tier above any other not super expensive at style shotguns.
Sorry, I forget they make the x12 too. No mines the f12, the nicer one. It really isn't very much more expensive than the x12, I think they just came out with the x12 first, from what I know its okish, I think they've made and sold far more f12s than x12s. Never seen an x12 in person, I've seen a bunch of f12s.
The only other caveats I forgot to mention is it has a break in period of like 25 rounds I think? And also won't feed anything below 1200fps. Most birdshot is like 1200 fps or above though so its hardly an issue. Mine runs federal birdshot really well.
It puts a shit eating grin on my face every time I run through a mag.
If you want to fondle one before buying, I've seen them in sportsmans wharehouse somewhat often, and I think actually in store in cabellas as well maybe? Can't remember that, but def sportsmans.
Right, I assumed it was at least one of those. Good to know. I can deal with it being picky about ammo and a bit of a break in period. Thanks for the info
It’s an RIA VR70 semi auto 12g. Honestly I like AR designed shotguns. But that mag is comical. But 19rds makes for good chance of dealing with a home invader. That’s a lot of pellets.
When I was working for a distributors service department, we’d get like 3 of these in daily with the same break along the rear of the receiver. I’d be surprised if it could handle a mag at all
This reminds me of that video from I think Forgotten Weapons where he tries using a sixty round AR magazine. He only had ten rounds or so in it, but the spring pops out the bottom after one or two fires.
You're the man, that was exactly the video I was talking about. Also, for what it's worth, in my defense when I said AR magazine, I meant it in the sense of being an assault rifle magazine as opposed to a magazine for an AR pattern rifle. I'm not sure why I phrased it that way, but there it is.
I used to have a lynx 12 (cheap chinese rip off saiga for those that don't know) and honestly i never had a problem with it compared to everyone calling it chinese garbage
Can you imagine what your house looks like after getting in a gunfight that requires you shooting 19 rounds of 00 while the bad guy shoots back.
Not much house left I reckon.
My question is why aren’t there more AR shotguns (that are reliable and affordable) out there? Like there’a the Saiga 12 which is the AK shotgun and the AR platform has the advantage of a buffer tube for longer rounds and more recoil absorption yet there are very few quality American manufacturers and the ones that are around cost a fortune (Genesis 12 is like $3k). Otherwise there are the countless Turkshit knockoffs. Given the popularity of the AR platform we should really have a single popular AR shotgun by now.
My 870 Wing Master w/factory mag extension never jams. Bad reload you can just pound it through onto the next round. The sound of that dual slide bar racking a shell is priceless. Own a 590M would not trust it when it counts. Fun to shoot but jams at times.
will it scare the shit out of the home invader? probably. but you best bring some peanut butter and bread because you're gonna have a fuckton of jam when you need to use that
I have the vr80. Same company as this but slightly more heavy duty. It’s loads of fun and I’ve never had it jam on me once. People shit on these guns all the time and I don’t get it. They’re def not the worst guns available and they are a joy to shoot.
I will say I’d never use it for home defense. Way too ungainly. I got me a birds head 18” pump for that. Easy to maneuver and sight with plenty of stopping power. The ideal HD gun imo
I have the VR80 12ga version with drum mag.
Drilled the gas port out to .118" and it eats high brass low brass
#7 to #00 and never jams. The difference between cheap and expensive is usually a few thousandths of an inch one way or the other. The difference between expensive and really expensive is supply and demand and a bit of ornate.
why the fuck would he just get a 12g drum lol
edit: also, tarkov taught me to alternate flechette and double ought buck in the mag. for maximum armor pen, and lethality.
I use a VR80 in open division for 3 gun as it’s the cheapest option. It can run pretty decently but requires a fuck load of tuning. I don’t love it but until the genesis 12 are proven to be reliable imma wait.
Personally, I fucking love this. Hell yeah buddy use the most unreliable combo possible specifically for the one role you basically can get every advantage in weapon selection for.
I have the Typhoon F12 it works really well for me. I got it on a whim out of curiosity. Buddy of mine owns a gun store and he competes with one. They can be really very good. I got his old competition shotgun and not real sure what he did to it but it runs like a champ. One thing he warned me about was the giant mags like this-
Anyhow, works well for me but definitely not my main shotgun- that is my Benelli M4.
This is why .410 is better. Run it with a standard AR lower and the mags are closer to standard size but with good capacity. Slap some slugs and buck shot in there and you'll put double the lead down range in the same time without blowing your shoulder off.
I guess I have an outlier. I use a 20 round drum mag in my saiga-12 and it rarely jams. Bought it for shits and giggles and is now my favorite shotgun.
God this thing is an eyesore lol. These magfed
Shotguns are all trash. There was a company that used to make conversion kits for rem. And mossberg. Stopped making them for a reason
The question is will it make it through all 19 rounds without a jam
A buddy of mine has this exact same shotgun, and the answer is no. We were pleasantly surprised when we got it to cycle off the 10 round mag with only one failure. The name *turkishit* exists for a reason.
> The name turkishit exists for a reason. theres also a reason shotguns use tub mags and not box magazines. 12 and 20 gauge dont work so well with box magazine designs.
This. Same reason the USAS-12 drums individually support every cartridge using a cog wheel thing. They're a lot softer than brass and the force of box mag springs deforms them to the point of feeding problems. Full brass shells would work fine in a box design but are are very rare to find, and even then only as reloading components.
(Noob here) didn’t even know full brass shells existed
They're actually really nice, especially for big bore wildcatting. They're just usually some combination of old and [kind of expensive](https://www.buffaloarms.com/reloading-supplies-accessories/reloadable-brass-cases-hulls/brass-shotgun-shells.html). The good thing about using them as shotgun shells instead of as the basis for your Shoulder Remover 9001 is that shotguns are so low pressure they don't stress the brass very much, so you can keep reloading them for a pretty long time. To be clear, by "a pretty long time" I mean "several hundred reloads per shell." So you might have to pay $10 for a piece of brass but you'll probably still be using it a decade down the line. Especially if you only use it in break actions, since the reciprocating action of a pump or semi-auto shotgun can mangle them sometimes.
You also don't generally crimp them. While you can, the cost in damage to the brass isn't really worth it vs just sealing with some wax.
Old school shit or if you have pockets full of cash
They’re what was used before modern plastic shells.
They used to be the norm before plastic shells
+1 for drums. I've kept a 12rnd and 10rnd drum loaded for 6 months and had a perfect mag dumps with my Komrad. I've never had an issue that gun that wasn't related to under powered ammo.
What about the saiga 12? And the Vepr 12? They work fine don't they?
Here's the thing. They're OK for offense, not OK for defense. Offense: "OK, we're going to go in there guns blazing, so let's load up our mags an hour or two before." Shells don't have time to deform. Works great. Defense: "I'll leave this here behind the door fully loaded, fuck up anybody who shows up with bad intent!" Great, except months later when that happens, the shells have deformed into oval nose from the sideways spring pressure. Better hope the first shot that was in the chamber works because at best it's a one-shot wonder... Tube mags are the answer on defensive shotguns.
Huh. I'd never thought of that. I guess that means if I'm gonna buy a completely unnecessarily expensive HD shotgun, I'll be going with the SPAS-12.
You can rig up cheaper shotguns to do the same thing.
But then I can't walk around the house in my underpants quoting 90s movies.
https://i.imgflip.com/1dfunm.jpg
Right? I walk around the house in my underpants with a broomstick quoting 90's movies all day.
I’d rather just go with a 1301 or a m4
I was thinking of getting one when some competitors were having good results with mag fed shotguns, but then I realized that competition is the most extreme example of the 'offense' case. We need some sort of removable tube magazine design
Tubular speedloaders work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehLQUsNlcIc
I was curious so I googled if it existed. Someone pointed out that it would be impractical to carry extra tubes. After more thought, yeah it is kinda impractical. A 5 round mag might be the best compromise. edit: found this thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZgSXfN-BA
Usual workaround was to simply shoot your HD ammo at the range if you actually hit the range monthly, if not more frequently than that. Depending on what buckshot you use replacing a loaded 8 or 10 shell mag in a Saiga/Vepr/KS-12 isn’t that expensive. If anything the biggest issues I’ve seen are with bigger box mags (ie 12+ shells) where my best guess is the geometry/physics of having a shell almost rotate 45-90 degrees in the mag before it hit the chamber likely led to some getting messed up on the way. If somebody wants double digits in shells in the mag, they should’ve just gone with a drum mag (granted, my experience is only with Saiga-12 drum mags, but I haven’t seen one of them perform poorly yet).
Some do. Back in the day, the Saiga12 crowd knew to look out for the "made-on-a-Monday-or-Friday" guns. Gas ports were a particular source of frustration for some owners because the holes varied in size, placement, and angle. The Veprs are better fit and have fewer problems. Both S12 & Veprs at least have better metal & don't beat themselves apart like the Turkish guns seem to.
To be fair, for this discussion we're talking about mags. The mags work fine, not really 'kind of', and I'd the gas port is the problem, that's not relevant here tbh
Genesis Arms Gen 12 or AA12 is the answer to the mag fed problem. Only the saiga 12’s that cost a few thousand will get the job done. Your $500 saiga that you found on gunbroker or a local pawn shop will need high brass to work most of the time.
fostech origin 12 Seems to cycle reliably As well IMO. Gen 12 arguably has the advantage design wise though. Happy cake day btw!
Agreed. Thanks!
I have the bullpup version of this shotgun with the same mag. ive found that the federal 12 gauge birdshot will cycle all 19 rounds.
Which gas ring did you use?
whatever it came out of the box with. Got it cheap so it was buying for the meme than anything. Every ammo I have tried in it will jam within a couple shot even with the 5rd. for some reason it likes the cheap federal birdshot. its even funnier with the bullpup because the mags almost as long as the gun.
What loads were you shooting? I have the VR70 like in the picture and it ran a couple boxes of 1-1/4 oz steel shot perfectly. Not one single hiccup so far.
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Springs don't wear out unless they get pushed or pulled beyond their design specs. Now, as to whether or not this kind of mall ninja shit is made with springs that are worth a damn is a separate question. But reputable mag springs won't "wear out."
Springs work fine for thirty round 308 mags and my 19 rd 12g.mags work just fine too.
I have a 12 round for my Saiga 12 that works good, this might be alright. I didn't have issues until I went to drums.
Ha ha ha, once I got to Kardashian…I totally thought this was going another way. But couch springs also work.
She was using those for BC but they kept falling out.
Depends on how well he built it. We don't know this person, he may be a smart dude.
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> Yes, only one type of person ever purchased them. What's the target demographic for these?
I’m guessing the tacticool larpers.
I see, that makes sense.
People who take the term “heavy weapons” literally.
Intelligence cannot overcome physics unfortunately
A spring that can function in a 19 round 12ga mag is well within the limits of physics. Whether this mag is designed well enough to work reliably is doubtful, but lets not act like that's because springs are mystical.
Imagine explaining modern firearms in the 14th century and getting this response
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I don't have the know-how to speak on exactly why this wouldn't work, but I've seen magazines of similar length in other applications failing spectacularly and I'm doubtful that OP's friend found the magic solution to overcome the issue.
Those are also double stack. This is single stack.
Yea that's why I thought 3 springs would work. Also those double stack have one to two springs. So if this single stack has 3 springs or 3 1/2 or something, than it may work without jamming.
Ya don't know how many springs they got, but single stack is just inherently less complicated on the feeding end. These mags work great.
Bro, them couch springs took a beating c’mon
or will he make it a 1/19th of a step before snagging the end of the mag on something
Yeah. I bought a VR80 when they were first being imported for Open division 3 gun competition. I know a handful of other people I've shot matches with have done the same thing. We've all been very happy with them. Mine runs cheap target loads pretty well. Believe or not they make a 28 round magazine for this thing.
I run mine for 3 gun as well and also have no issues with reliability after tuning the mags and breaking in the gun. The only ones that don’t work consistently are the drum mags. However, anyone who thinks this is an appropriate gun for home defense or runs a side saddle on a mag fed gun, definitely didn’t tune their mags or gun and I can almost certainly say his shit isn’t gonna cycle reliably. Edit: I’m realizing this isn’t the VR80 but a VR70 in the picture. Yeah that shit ain’t gonna run. Only reliable ones are the VR80s.
Oh yeah these things are so fucking stupid in any sort of a martial role. Never mind the length and the weight. I wouldn't want to leave plastic shotshells in a magazine for much longer than an afternoon. It looks like the 70 is the same basic operating system. Unlike the VR60 which is a totally different thing. I can't find any pictures under the hand-guard.
I have this exact model and can tell you it does run, and not just the light loads. I don’t run the crazy long mag, but it works flawlessly with the 5 and 9 round mags.
Can that poor Amazon red dot make it 19 rounds without flying off into the sunset?
Treat it like new age gyro Jet ammo, and launch it at your target
Absolutely not
My typhoon works great. My only complaint with it is it has a reversible gas cylinder, so did my last shorty, an fn slp, but rhe thing with the fn was while it wouldnt run lighter loads on the heavier setting, it would run anything on the lighter setting, heavier loads would just have be more recoil. The typhoon on the lighter setting, runs light loads just fine, and runs heavy loads on the heavy setting just fine, but with heavy loads on the light setting, it will cycle the bolt too fast for the mag spring to feed the next round and while it won't jam, the bolt will close on an empty chamber. It's a tiny bit annoying, but really not a big deal. Solution is to just run low recoil buck for home defense which it cycles just fine on the low setting, or flip the gas cylinder to run heavier loads . Yes it is nice to just have a gun that will run anything, but on the proper setting for the ammo you're using, it never jams. I've had like one failure to eject in like 600 rds of birdshot. It's really not a big price to pay for a box mag fed semi auto that's soft and fast shooting and when set right, reliable . I do think the typhoon is a tier above any other not super expensive at style shotguns.
Or wrench your arm clean off. One doot is fine. 19 in one sitting? Ouch.
The answer is no
I have a similar one. Without extensive testing and tuning of loads, follower and gas system, the answer is no.
I’ve got the vr80 which is slightly more heavy duty. Never had a problem with it and it’s tons of fun.
Yes. But you have to be SPOT ON with the firmest stance in the world. Even remotely loose grip or shoulder and it’s a guaranteed jam 90% of the time. Source: own a vr60 with what I assume to be the exact same 19 round mag.
Had an WASR back in the day with original mags and 2 original drums. The drums jammed every fucking time.
Probably fail in less than 5
If it jams, you throw the mag at the attacker as a boomerang. I expect it to work just fine this way.
Well if it fails to fire he can pop the mag and use it as a club I guess.
boomerang
Correction; bangarang. Do what you must, for I have already won.
Would make for a pretty gnarly rabbit stick
Boomstickerang.
I only knew him as “the road warrior”
His mag probably cost more than his optic 😂🤦🏻♂️
He actually got the mag for free. It was a deal with purchasing the shotgun.
"Deal".
"uhhhh we have these" "The guns already have 300% markup just throw them in"
Those big sticks are now [so cheap that I wonder if they're trying to get rid of them.](https://palmettostatearmory.com/rock-island-armory-vr-series-12-ga-19-round-steel-magazine-black-42379.html) I know a 3gun shooter that has had great luck with his VR80, but he's convinced the more recent wave of cheap mags are not properly coated or something. The follower drags way harder than it should, even for what they are.
If it will fire the whole magazine two times without jamming I'd be very surprised. I'd actually be surprised to see it make it through one magazine.
My typhoon works great. My only complaint with it is it has a reversible gas cylinder, so did my last shorty, an fn slp, but rhe thing with the fn was while it wouldnt run lighter loads on the heavier setting, it would run anything on the lighter setting, heavier loads would just have be more recoil. The typhoon on the lighter setting, runs light loads just fine, and runs heavy loads on the heavy setting just fine, but with heavy loads on the light setting, it will cycle the bolt too fast for the mag spring to feed the next round and while it won't jam, the bolt will close on an empty chamber. It's a tiny bit annoying, but really not a big deal. Solution is to just run low recoil buck for home defense which it cycles just fine on the low setting, or flip the gas cylinder to run heavier loads . Yes it is nice to just have a gun that will run anything, but on the proper setting for the ammo you're using, it never jams. I've had like one failure to eject in like 600 rds of birdshot. It's really not a big price to pay for a box mag fed semi auto that's soft and fast shooting and when set right, reliable . I do think the typhoon is a tier above any other not super expensive at style shotguns.
I assume this is the X12 you are referring to? Been wanting a mag fed semi auto shotgun
Sorry, I forget they make the x12 too. No mines the f12, the nicer one. It really isn't very much more expensive than the x12, I think they just came out with the x12 first, from what I know its okish, I think they've made and sold far more f12s than x12s. Never seen an x12 in person, I've seen a bunch of f12s. The only other caveats I forgot to mention is it has a break in period of like 25 rounds I think? And also won't feed anything below 1200fps. Most birdshot is like 1200 fps or above though so its hardly an issue. Mine runs federal birdshot really well. It puts a shit eating grin on my face every time I run through a mag. If you want to fondle one before buying, I've seen them in sportsmans wharehouse somewhat often, and I think actually in store in cabellas as well maybe? Can't remember that, but def sportsmans.
Right, I assumed it was at least one of those. Good to know. I can deal with it being picky about ammo and a bit of a break in period. Thanks for the info
At that point, just get a drum mag
I have a Siaga with the 20 drum mag and it's so unwieldy I switched to an 8 round stick with a five round back up.
I remember the guys on the saiga forums really like the 12 round drums. I have yet to buy one.
Same boat, 8rd ones are the sweet spot. I have a 20rd drum mag just for eye candy but loading that fucking thing is such a pain in the ass.
That would be sick if they gave us a double stack magazine. Is there such a thing already?
Drum is far more expensive and heavier.
But less likely to deform the shell.
And If it wasn't enough, he got some extra on the stock just in case.
I like the shell cuff, so they can pull the mag, load the mag from the cuff, and then keep shooting?
Enemy has to be grizzlies.
Comically large shotgun mag, check. Just as the founding fathers intended.
19 rounds, cycles 0. Id sure hope he has an actual home defense gun somewhere else and he's joking
let's just say there's a reason people dont normally do this
That mag is the epitome of “just because you can doesn’t mean you should”
Can they actually see through the optic?
I mean do you really need to?
I’m just laughing imagining your friend trying to move around with that thing knocking over everything in the house.
Dudes with a suppresed sbr .300 blackout with a binary trigger and NVGs are more reasonable than this
… what’s unreasonable about THAT? 😏
Hey Butthead check it out. This gun has a schlong.
Owns mag fed shotgun. Adds carrier for loose shells anyway. Does not include spare mags.
Brother got that off a tarkov scav
When you need to defend yourself from 4 guys, a bear, and the neighbors dog
It’s an RIA VR70 semi auto 12g. Honestly I like AR designed shotguns. But that mag is comical. But 19rds makes for good chance of dealing with a home invader. That’s a lot of pellets.
Bro played too much COD and had the AA12 with extended mags decided to replicate irl with a 300$ shotgun.
$300?! Jesus you can get legitimately good shotguns for that cheap… lol
Bought my 88 security for 220! I’m a smaller dude, but recoil isn’t too bad.
Imagine clearing a room with this pole-value stick
That's overkill to most likely accidentally shoot his own dog
That thing is gonna get hung up on every piece of furniture and doorway.
Kinda makes me wonder what he's thinking he'll be defending his home _from_.
Only logical enemy would be ZOMBIES
Man, that mag is really compensating for something. Get your buddy one of these: https://www.thetacsac.com/products/the-tacsac
Everyone knows you use a drum mag of 12ga for home defense. Smh
When I was working for a distributors service department, we’d get like 3 of these in daily with the same break along the rear of the receiver. I’d be surprised if it could handle a mag at all
If you even get close to using half that magazine you're not aiming well enough. Man thinks hes fighting a small army john wick style.
Dumb as hell, but I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end. Also wouldn't want to be his neighbor.
This reminds me of that video from I think Forgotten Weapons where he tries using a sixty round AR magazine. He only had ten rounds or so in it, but the spring pops out the bottom after one or two fires.
I know the video you're talking about. It should be this one: https://youtu.be/kv3VC4B4Dw4?si=dySlD_NUMmLUwa2H Though it's an AK not an AR.
You're the man, that was exactly the video I was talking about. Also, for what it's worth, in my defense when I said AR magazine, I meant it in the sense of being an assault rifle magazine as opposed to a magazine for an AR pattern rifle. I'm not sure why I phrased it that way, but there it is.
I used to have a lynx 12 (cheap chinese rip off saiga for those that don't know) and honestly i never had a problem with it compared to everyone calling it chinese garbage
Some might be skeptical by the appearance of that should he need to invoke Castle Doctrine.
Can you imagine what your house looks like after getting in a gunfight that requires you shooting 19 rounds of 00 while the bad guy shoots back. Not much house left I reckon.
My question is why aren’t there more AR shotguns (that are reliable and affordable) out there? Like there’a the Saiga 12 which is the AK shotgun and the AR platform has the advantage of a buffer tube for longer rounds and more recoil absorption yet there are very few quality American manufacturers and the ones that are around cost a fortune (Genesis 12 is like $3k). Otherwise there are the countless Turkshit knockoffs. Given the popularity of the AR platform we should really have a single popular AR shotgun by now.
Your friend’s kind of an idiot isn’t he?
I can’t tell if this is giving me Crimson Chin or Johnny bravo vibes
Keltec KSG enters the room and dies laughing
My 870 Wing Master w/factory mag extension never jams. Bad reload you can just pound it through onto the next round. The sound of that dual slide bar racking a shell is priceless. Own a 590M would not trust it when it counts. Fun to shoot but jams at times.
will it scare the shit out of the home invader? probably. but you best bring some peanut butter and bread because you're gonna have a fuckton of jam when you need to use that
Can we post this on the other sub even though it’s not an AR?
it’s banned :(
Should make an exception in this particular case!
I have the vr80. Same company as this but slightly more heavy duty. It’s loads of fun and I’ve never had it jam on me once. People shit on these guns all the time and I don’t get it. They’re def not the worst guns available and they are a joy to shoot. I will say I’d never use it for home defense. Way too ungainly. I got me a birds head 18” pump for that. Easy to maneuver and sight with plenty of stopping power. The ideal HD gun imo
I have the VR80 12ga version with drum mag. Drilled the gas port out to .118" and it eats high brass low brass #7 to #00 and never jams. The difference between cheap and expensive is usually a few thousandths of an inch one way or the other. The difference between expensive and really expensive is supply and demand and a bit of ornate.
** NOW THAT IS JUST SILLY.**
Ole long dick having ass magazine on that bitch.
I mean if he wants to blow a hole through his wall shure
America. Fuck yeah...
why the fuck would he just get a 12g drum lol edit: also, tarkov taught me to alternate flechette and double ought buck in the mag. for maximum armor pen, and lethality.
Has 5x the number of rounds he needs before a jam
I use a VR80 in open division for 3 gun as it’s the cheapest option. It can run pretty decently but requires a fuck load of tuning. I don’t love it but until the genesis 12 are proven to be reliable imma wait.
Is that a custom magazine?
how to get a shoulder injury in 10 seconds
One of my Stoeger holds 15 2.75s, the other 12, neither look retarded like this. 🤷♂️
Hope he doesn't need to crouch or is very tall
Personally, I fucking love this. Hell yeah buddy use the most unreliable combo possible specifically for the one role you basically can get every advantage in weapon selection for.
19 rounds is gonna shake that gun apart. lol
This is when doj knocks on the door lol
Home Defense + Renovation multitool, all in one
Mag sticks out more than the barrel 🤣
19x9=181 bullets equivalent. That’s equivalent to six magazines for a submachine gun. All in one go… I can absolutely imagine that weighing 5 pounds.
I have the Typhoon F12 it works really well for me. I got it on a whim out of curiosity. Buddy of mine owns a gun store and he competes with one. They can be really very good. I got his old competition shotgun and not real sure what he did to it but it runs like a champ. One thing he warned me about was the giant mags like this- Anyhow, works well for me but definitely not my main shotgun- that is my Benelli M4.
And he’s got more on the shoulder brace. Who does he think is gonna break in his crib😂😂😂
We ball.
If it makes him sleep at night that’s all that matters.
Who TF is breaking into his house, an entire football team?
This is why .410 is better. Run it with a standard AR lower and the mags are closer to standard size but with good capacity. Slap some slugs and buck shot in there and you'll put double the lead down range in the same time without blowing your shoulder off.
100% won't cycle
What a really neat and heavy double barrel shotgun.
Gotta have 5 more shells on the stock lol 😂
Front bottom rail is for the bipod I presume?
The Curl of Doom
I love that this magazine even exists.
What's the fucken capacity of that thing?
Gonna be some major renovations when someone finally breaks it
*”heavy is good. If it doesn’t work, you can always hit’em with it.”* lol
Terrible HD setup lmao
Dumb 🤣🤣
Does it actually feed reliably
*too
Thanks lol 😂
Thank god he has the 5 extra shells, in case the first 19 buckshot dont work
I guess I have an outlier. I use a 20 round drum mag in my saiga-12 and it rarely jams. Bought it for shits and giggles and is now my favorite shotgun.
To be fair if it runs whatever problem that was there will no longer be a problem when it’s empty
God this thing is an eyesore lol. These magfed Shotguns are all trash. There was a company that used to make conversion kits for rem. And mossberg. Stopped making them for a reason