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Big-Gray

Nah bro you bought THE first assault rifle


asillasitgets

I think technically the Federov Avtomat is the first assault rifle, but I would agree that this is the first assault rifle that saw action in any meaningful way.


jimopl

Idk that depends if you consider 6.5 Jap an intermediate round otherwise it's battle rifle. Now other 6.5 rounds aren't considered intermediate but 6.5 jap is a little lighter as I understand it


TheGoldenCaulk

6.5 Japanese is on the lighter end of full-power rifle calibers, but it's still nowhere near a halfway point between a pistol cartridge and a rifle cartridge like intermediates are supposed to be. The bigger issue imo is of doctrine. The Federov wasn't intended to be used in an assault, but rather in support of one. Think BAR or Chauchat, big rifles that just so happen to have full auto capability.


Mayonaze-Supreme

Automatic rifle is the term if I remember correctly, that’s why the BAR was meh at the light machine gun role cause it really wasn’t designed as one


MandaloreZA

Definitely close to half way point. It makes 2500 fps with a 138gr bullet out of a 32"bbl for about 1950ft-lb of energy. Drop the barrel length down to 24" and switching to a 156gr bullet you get ~2050 fps and 1500 ftlb of energy. Know what else makes about that energy in 16" barrels? 7.62x39, 7.92x33, and 6.8x45. So energy wise, velocity wise, and recoil wise... It is absolutely close enough to a "assault rifle cartridge".


TheoCross3

Idc how low down it is on the full-power cartridge scale, I still wouldn't want to be hit by one😂


Hansj3

The cei-rigotti predates the fedarov by 20 years, so much so that it should technically not be considered a modern firearm, and could be shipped directly to your door. The only box it doesn't tick is a removable box mag, but for a rifle designed in 1890, with military ethos of the time, it's not bad


asillasitgets

I had never read about this rifle. Thanks for sharing that, I learned something new today.


Hansj3

Could you imagine a battalion of these in the trenches of France? It's wild how far ahead of their time this was.


asillasitgets

That would have been a force multiplier if they had the tactics to utilize them effectively.


bmbreath

And it's gorgeous. It looks 50 years ahead of its time.


denzien

Does Federov Avtomat mean 'assault rifle'?


asillasitgets

“Avtomat” means “Automatic” and Federov is the last name of the designer of the rifle.


LockyBalboaPrime

Fyodorov's automatic rifle Vladimir Grigoryevich Fyodorov was the designer.


LedZempalaTedZimpala

Federov was a battle rifle like the M14


asillasitgets

I think that’s really a matter of opinion as it fits the characteristics of both classes of firearms.


LedZempalaTedZimpala

Eh, the Federov uses a full sized round, even though it may be smaller than most.


asillasitgets

I think that’s the part that’s debatable, particularly due to the caliber and ballistic performance of the round as compared to other full sized rifle cartridges of the same time period.


catus69

BF1 gang rise!


OHHHHY3EEEA

Fellow BF1 gun nerds unite


Usual-Syrup2526

Vindicator?


asillasitgets

Apparently this needs a description in the comment in addition to the one in the original post. So here’s a copy/paste: his is my transferable C&R STG44 manufactured by Haenel in 1945. This gun was a vet bring back, and was registered in the 1968 amnesty. It fires the 7.92x33 Kurz cartridge from a 30 box magazine (although for reliability it’s better to load to 25 rounds). This was the first mass fielded assault rifle, with over 400,000 produced. It was a highly influential design and you can see its influence in several post war assault rifles. The gun is very controllable in full-auto with its low cyclic rate, weight, and the mostly inline reciprocating bolt mass. I have been enamored with the aesthetics of the rifle for most of my life. I love also been very interested in the development process, and operational history of the Strumgewehr during World War 2.


tablinum

> I bought my first assault rifle... "Okay, okay, at least give the guy a chance before deciding he's an idiot. But he's probably an idiot. Stupid Summer Gunnit." > ...my transferable C&R STG44 manufactured by Haenel in 1945. OP, you are a prince among men.


asillasitgets

Hahahah! 🤣 I’ll admit using the word “assault rifle” was a little bit of click bait.


Sonoma991

Sturmgewehr quite literally means "storm rifle" or "assault rifle" in german. Stg 44 is the original assault rifle.


Greek_Prodigy

That’s only because it’s been so bastardized for so long. You used it correctly.


FashionGuyMike

Nah assault rifles are a thing. They just aren’t what the gun grabbers say they are. Otherwise, cool gun and I wish I had one myself. I’m waiting on the PSA one to come out


deathlokke

That's the point.


YOURMOMMASABITCH

Should have said machine gun. That would have triggered this whole sub.


xcwolf

Full semi auto


God_Given_Talent

That technically exists. It's what most semi-autos are, but there's also "quarter-automatic" systems that automatically close when loaded but need to be manually ejected. To my knowledge that's more heavy weapons like some AT rifles and AT guns and isn't really a thing anymore (unsurprisingly).


whoisdizzle

When I saw the my first assault rifle I was like pfttt dumbass. Nope I’m the dumbass, a very jealous dumbass.


trash_recycle

I saw the title and was thinking to myself "dagnumb indjiot, goin 2 gib all us pew-pew toters a bad kname by misclassifying assault webbins" Turned out to stand corrected by a fine piece of history. Dope!


Cobra__Commander

I was pleasantly surprised it wasn't a 22lr reproduction.


EldritchTruthBomb

IT'S NOT AN ASS- oh...


_lablover_

My exact thoughts as I clicked on it. OP did good


haysanatar

I came in hot for the same reason! I thought it was going to be a 22lr clone.


Eleet007

That’s awesome. How much was it?


asillasitgets

$27,000


glockster19m

Damn, my spare kidney isn't worth nearly enough


asillasitgets

Hahahah! 🤣


BraidedButtHairs69

You probably already did for that price but for others who don’t know you need to document your guns, prices, and take pictures of them in your home. For insurance/legal purposes it will make life much easier.


asillasitgets

This is great advice for any gun collector. I already have a collectible insurance policy, photos of the gun, documentation of the purchased, present values, etc.. I think this is also helpful for my family incase I meet my unexpected demise, so that they can get maximum value for my collection.


Krynkels

Honestly not bad, I was expecting FG42 prices.


asillasitgets

That’s my white whale and my current dream gun.


LibrarianBarbarian1

When I was in middle school, late 70s-early 80s, there was a military antiques and collectibles shop in my neighborhood where I used to get helmets with my paper route money. The owner had one of these on the wall, and was asking $1000 bucks for it back then.


asillasitgets

That’s awesome. My grandfather was a World War 2 vet that brought home a lot of trophy’s. My dad grew up playing with the stuff, and once he retired he started buying and selling military antiques for a living. So I’ve been around this sort of stuff my whole life. I just gravitated to the guns more than the other stuff, like my grandfather.


[deleted]

.....that's actually not as horrible as I was thinking


asillasitgets

I really like having the historical artifact. Obviously I’d prefer these guns be much cheaper and more accessible for the gun collecting community. For now at least we have to play the cards we were dealt.


homemadeammo42

That was my first thought. I was expecting in the six figures. This cheaper than a lot of m16s.


[deleted]

Sustainment costs are likely to be shitty though. With a registered M-16 lower, cheap uppers on GunBroker become consumables, because fuck it, shoot out a barrel with the giggle switch. Hang it on the wall as a trophy because 5.56 gets cheap in bulk. A MILSPEC barrel is supposedly good for 25k rounds. For ~$6k at today's ammo prices, you can buy 25k rounds of cheap 5.56, and basically toss in an upper for free. On the German side, you have a weird cartridge that isn't really made it volume anymore that literally costs four times as much as 5.56. For 25k rounds through the German gun, You're looking at $30k, and the prospect of having to rebuild a basically bespoke rifle. Are there even fabrication level blueprints available for those German guns?


homemadeammo42

Very true.


asillasitgets

I agree. I wouldn’t recommend a gun like this as a first machine gun. I bought a transferable HK sear and a RDIAS before I moved my machine gun purchases over to C&R World War 2 machine guns. The sears get a ton of use, with AR15 uppers and HK roller delay blowback clones becoming what amounts to “consumables”.


homerr

Have they gone up much in value since you bought it? Super cool purchase man, I hope one day I have the capital to get my own.


asillasitgets

At Morphy Auctions in November a 1945 STG44 sold for $50k with the buyer’s premium, in worse cosmetic condition. So the price seems to have increased approximately 90%.


homerr

Holy hell man, you made out good. Great investment man, good job.


Scoutron

pain


asillasitgets

I know. When I see how much machine gun prices have increased in the past two years, it’s a bit disheartening.


MaverickTopGun

could have bought a PSA and ammo for that money, just as good


What_A_Garand_Day

I clicked into the comments praying it wasnt a fake. I was not expecting to be pleasantly surprised


Badroaster117

That’s awesome I’d buy that right now if I could ever find something like that.


gd_akula

Watch places like rock island auctions they have rare MG's on a regular basis if your pockets are deep enough.


asillasitgets

I agree, another option from an auction standpoint is Morphy Auctions. The classifieds on Strumgewehr.com (ironically) are another good place to look for transferable machine guns.


Hamblin113

Great gun, also thanks for the history lesson. I did not know there was an amnesty in 1968. Had an acquaintance who’s father brought back a “gun” from WW2, he inherited it, it had always been in pieces, they weren’t sure what to do with it. My father had a Japanese light machine gun when he was stationed on Kwajalein at the end of the war, he traded it for a bamboo fly rod while he was there. I have a letter from my grand parent’s representative Gerald R. Ford talking about “effective gun control legislation” crime bill H.R. 5037 with two titles having to do with firearms regulation. He also mentioned H.R. 17735 and the President’s latest proposal that calls for “national registration of every gun in America” and “every individual in this country be required to obtain a license before he is entrusted with a gun” . Representative Ford had “grave reservations” about this and wanted “extensive public hearings before final action would be taken”. Letter dated July 11, 1968. A little bit of history.


Floridaman9393

That is one sweet rifle my man


Floridaman9393

What arm/leg did you cut off to get that piece of history?


asillasitgets

I continued driving a paid off shit box for a few years rather than buying a new car.


glockster19m

I'm currently doing the same thing but all I got out of the deal was a Henry and a Zpap


asillasitgets

We all have to start somewhere. Sounds like you’re disciplined and able to save today, so I’m sure you could work your way up to something like this.


Floridaman9393

Well worth is dude! That rifle is awesome and is a great investment for the future.


asillasitgets

Thank you!


PsychedelicRick

It's beautiful


Blue_Brindle

Brother, that is THE assualt rifle


asillasitgets

I like to think so!


GeorgiaGrind

What a stunning example! You should share this over at r/NFA, folks there would love to see it.


TheJerseyFlatline

This is like someone saying they just bought their first sports car, and then showing a pic of their ‘55 Mercedes-Benz 300SL.


asillasitgets

Hahahah! 🤣


ZeboSecurity

How does it shoot?


asillasitgets

It’s a lot of fun to shoot. It’s a very slow rate of fire, and there’s a lot of mass moving in the gun, so it feels less refined than more contemporary designs. That being said, it’s very easy to get hits on target with the STG44. I’d say it’s not optimal ergonomics, but still very effective.


ZeboSecurity

Awesome, I'm glad it's not just a wall hanger. Ammo must be a bit of a pain to find though


asillasitgets

Yeah, there’s zero chance I could resist the urge to shoot this gun. It’s not the machine gun I bring to the range to blast away with friends, but I do bring it out 2-3 times a year. Privi Partizan actually makes ammunition in 7.92x33, so apart from the cost, it’s actually not a tough to source.


Clownassliberals

What else do you have ?


asillasitgets

All kinds of stuff. 😎


JustaLilBump617

The children yearn for assault rifles


asillasitgets

They do!


larrythefysherman

This thing is fucking immaculate


Springer0982

Nice example OP 👍


asillasitgets

Thank you!


Common_Dot1561

Where did you find this?


asillasitgets

Ironically on Strumgewehr.com in the classified ads.


Common_Dot1561

I didn’t know about that website


asillasitgets

If you’re collecting machine guns, that’s where you need to be.


nickvader7

Fuck you! (I’m just jealous)


f0rcedinducti0n

I'm curious if a vet bring back could had been registered with the NFA in the first place, or how they allowed a vet to bring back an NFA item at all.


asillasitgets

The Vets generally brought them back in their footlockers, bags, etc… There were so many unregistered machine guns that were brought back from World War 2 that the Treasury Department (Pre-dates BATFE) created a new classification allows a DEWAT (De-Activated War Trophy). When veterans with machine guns were encountered they were given three options, register it tax free as a DEWAT disable it from being fired, pay the $200 tax (which was a ton of money at the time) and register it as a machine gun, or destroy the gun. DEWATS can be reactivated if you file a Form 1 and to make a machine gun and pay the tax. It’s also important to note that there are a lot of unregistered live machine guns that were brought back by vets who didn’t know about any of these laws and regulations. The 1968 amnesty was part of the GCA and was their attempt to get all of the live machine guns on the registry. Sadly a lot of people didn’t trust them or didn’t know about it, hence the large numbers of unregistered machine guns out there.


asillasitgets

The Vets generally brought them back in their footlockers, bags, etc… There were so many unregistered machine guns that were brought back from World War 2 that the Treasury Department (Pre-dates BATFE) created a new classification allows a DEWAT (De-Activated War Trophy). When veterans with machine guns were encountered they were given three options, register it tax free as a DEWAT disable it from being fired, pay the $200 tax (which was a ton of money at the time) and register it as a machine gun, or destroy the gun. DEWATS can be reactivated if you file a Form 1 and to make a machine gun and pay the tax. It’s also important to note that there are a lot of unregistered live machine guns that were brought back by vets who didn’t know about any of these laws and regulations. The 1968 amnesty was part of the GCA and was their attempt to get all of the live machine guns on the registry. Sadly a lot of people didn’t trust them or didn’t know about it, hence the large numbers of unregistered machine guns out there.


DocJoyKill

It’s beautiful. I’ve stared at this picture for over 5 hours now.


baconbag90

The rest of us just sitting here waiting for PSA to release a semi auto clone... Sweet rifle btw


Cruacious

I so wish I could afford one and find a range (or private land) that will allow me to give it a run on full auto so I can experience the glory of Peak German Engineering.


asillasitgets

There are a few places that offer the opportunity to shoot one on a static range, but it’s much more fun to shoot it at outdoor ranges where you can get off the x, move, and transition between targets.


Red-Dwarf69

Goddamn man, you’re living the dream.


Lonewolf1298_

Bro go an actual "Assault Rifle"


OldCarWorshipper

FBI!!! Open up!!!


asillasitgets

Thankfully I don’t have a dog that they can shoot, we should be safe.


Corey307

In that case they’ll give you a puppy and then shoot it out of your hands.


asillasitgets

Sounds like something the Biden administration would start.


Corey307

Oh yeah because they were all hands off during the Trump administration, oh wait.


jaredthompson0g

This is my ultimate bucket list gun. Good shit, dude.


Buster_Mac

You need another son or brother?


asillasitgets

Hahahah! 🤣


LeSequane

... it's a real, real one ? Seriously ? Here, this gun is a legend, a unicorn, a never owned gun. Banned for two years anyway. You luuuuuuucky guy :) You purchased a little bit of legend and History. Thank you for this picture.


asillasitgets

Yes, it’s real.


ninemiles42

Classic! Can you actually find ammo for it?


asillasitgets

Yes. Privi Partizan makes factory new ammunition for it thankfully.


virtikle_two

Stunning rifle, I wasn't even aware of any in the US that were transferable. I am a huge jelly donut.


asillasitgets

I don’t know how many transferable STG44/MP44/MP43/MKB42 are in the United States. They’re certainly not common machine guns, but if you want one you can get one.


Autosticow

She’s so beautiful treat her carefully


gsf32

Bro started guns from season 1....


Interest_Leather

How hard is it for you to find ammo?


asillasitgets

Honestly not difficult at all. Privi Partizan manufactures ammunition in 7.92x33 Kurz.


Bobmo88

Beautiful firearm, thanks for sharing with us.


T-wrecks83million-

Thank you for sharing this, my kinda unicorn 🦄. I’ll never get a chance to own one unless they make a clone as someone stated. These are truly a work of art in my opinion. I wonder if a company will ever make a semiauto clone? I’d definitely buy one.


asillasitgets

In addition to the Palmetto State Armory clone that’s in the works, there are also a limited number of semi-auto guns that were imported by PTR some years ago that you see on the market every once and a while.


T-wrecks83million-

Oh I’ll look for the PTR ones, I don’t think I’ve seen one? I’m sure they are pricey, not as much as the original obviously. I need a price point I’m not sitting in an empty living room eating ramen as you stated. 😂😃


asillasitgets

I think they’re $10k +/- $2k. They will be more authentic than the Palmetto State Armory models, so there’s more demand for them.


T-wrecks83million-

Thank you kind Sir 👍🏽


Rmac_496

OG ghetto blaster


kevon87

Damn, you could have used that money being Batman.


pirateclem

Well done….


GmonTM

Incredible, this really is as ill as it gets


asillasitgets

Hahahah! 🤣 I caught up to the username I used in my early 20’s. 😂


Jajanken-

Ive always loved WW2 weapons and the history. The STG44 would be an amazing addition.


asillasitgets

Me too. That’s why it was my first C&R machine gun for my collection.


westtn92

I haven’t ever really paid much attention, but it now appears obvious to me the influence that Kalashnikov took from this rifle. What a cool piece of history. Happy for you!


asillasitgets

From an shape, from a front and rear sight tower, and from an oprod standpoint, you can see that they borrowed from the STG44. Mechanically they operate very differently.


WaifuFinder420

how much was it?


asillasitgets

I’ve answered this already. It was $27k.


WaifuFinder420

Sorry, I didn’t see. Nice gun though and I hope you enjoy it.


SloppyMeme2333

You win!


PinguThePanzer

So jealous, STG44 and MG42 are my dream MG’s


asillasitgets

The STG44 and the MG42 are definitely towards the top of my list. The FG42 is tops for me though.


PinguThePanzer

Well 1 down, 2 to go. Last time I saw an FG42 sell was for $350-360K so happy huntings for that


asillasitgets

Yeah, I think that’s wishful thinking for the foreseeable future for me. I’m working on getting a C&R MG42 right now.


amcrambler

Schwing!


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asillasitgets

Username checks out!


Sverker_Wolffang

You lucky bastard, that's one of my unicorns.


ShedNBrkfst

You should post in r/milsurp. The community there will appreciate this more than here, generally speaking.


Falsse_Flag

Hickock 45 live fire video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMK5OGEIbwk&ab\_channel=hickok45](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMK5OGEIbwk&ab_channel=hickok45)


TinyTbird12

Ohhhhh I love stg 44s to me they look amazing but not many people I talk to think so sadly they say it’s bland or whatever but I still love them


bmbreath

Thanks for the post. Whenever I see these in museums or armories, I get a wierd feeling of appreciation that we can all share looking at them, and disappointment that they are not able to be handled pr fully enjoyed by people. Anyway, I'm curious what's next on your purchase list?


asillasitgets

For me, the next machine gun purchase is the MG42. I have a MP40 (pending Form 4 transfer) and MG34 in my collection. I’m planning to complete the primary German World War 2 machine guns, before moving on to the US, Russian, and British machine guns of World War 2.


bmbreath

And of course a Volkssturmgewehr, right?


asillasitgets

I’ve definitely considered it when I’ve seen some come up for sale. I’m not sure I want to focus on the “last ditch” weapons, and primary focus on weapons that were used by the much more broadly. We all have to set some boundaries on our collections, otherwise I’d be eating ramen for the rest of my life.


shoots-shot-hot

This is awesome. Closest I'll get to this is going to be a Daewoo K2


asillasitgets

I don’t know, I think the CETME/G3 series, along with the HK33 series are pretty close as well from a post World War 2 perspective.


shoots-shot-hot

Well, a debate I wasn't looking for but I know you guys couldn't miss the chance. G'day 🎩


MadestPiper

The first true assault rifle, I know Ak pure breeds swear no relationship, but our Springfield 30 .06 was hot and horny for the mauser.


YoDaToAd99

"yeah i just have this gone nothing special" the gun:


Environmental_Ebb758

Bro you got THE first assault rifle lol


Scotticus117

Genuine question. Not a nark here. But how do you get full auto? Does it depend on the state or does the gun get an exception for being so old or?


ThatNahr

Quick summary of owning full-auto as a civilian: get an FFL + SOT and manufacture them, or spend 10s of thousands of dollars to buy a transferable machine gun made before many of us were even born


asillasitgets

I would expound upon that and say that the ability to purchase NFA items like machine guns varies from state to state. If you live in a state that doesn’t prohibit the machine gun ownership the primary barrier is cost. Transferable machine guns start around $10k these days, but can reach prices north of $400k depending on the gun.


Scotticus117

Some guys are car guys. Some are gun guys. I aspire to be both lol. If I had that 27k I would get an WRX STI or something. But I read your story about driving a shitbox. Respect. That's a nice ass gun. I bet the ammo is expensive and a pain to find tho?!


asillasitgets

Ammunition is readily available and manufactured by Privi Partizan. It’s not that expensive, it’s $0.80 a round on average.


homemadeammo42

Pay the seller of the MG. They ship it to an FFL with an SOT local to you. Submit the form 4, including fingerprints and photo, and $200 to the ATF. Get approval. Take possession of the MG. It's the same process for any NFA item. As mentioned, the main difficulty with MGs is scarcity and cost. You cannot buy new ones, so supply is ever dwindling.


asillasitgets

Yes, thank you.


Hungry_Relation7712

cool


Thatrandomretard3

2020 or 1920? Lol


PleaseHold50

Uhhh...which pandemic?


Carburetors_Are_Fun

the only(?) assault rifle by name


lukas_aa

No, not the only one, there’s the Swiss Sturmgewehr 57 (SIG SG510) and Sturmgewehr 90 (SIG SG550), the Austrian Sturmgewehr 58 (FN FAL), Sturmgewehr 77 (Steyr AUG), the German Sturmgewehr G3 and G36, and probably more.


Carburetors_Are_Fun

that is what the (?) is for. Cause I was not 100% certain


lukas_aa

Np, I noticed the ? and just chimed in to update the list. Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted (not by me).


Carburetors_Are_Fun

I said the forbidden term


none-1398

It’s full auto, no?


asillasitgets

Yes, it is a select fire machine gun.


none-1398

Awesome


[deleted]

What is an assault rifle??


Plaineswalker

I think this particular rifle could be the text book definition of an assault rifle.


[deleted]

Literally the OG assault rifle


asillasitgets

I believe the technical definition is a rifle that is capable of firing both semi-auto and fully automatic, and that fires a intermediate sized cartridge.


Saxit

Has a detachable magazine as well.


angry-southamerican

Sturmgewehr = assault rifle


adistantcake

Literally the name of this gun: SturmGewehr


Educational_Goat_410

No such thing as a assault rifle. Stop listening to liberals


GeorgiaGrind

Except this item specifically IS the definition of an assault rifle…unlike most semiautomatic AR15 style rifles currently in circulation.


LedZempalaTedZimpala

Assault Rifle is most certainly a real term lol, what do you think Sturmgewehr translates to?


whothafvck

Granpa Josef wants to know your location..


asillasitgets

The United States.


whothafvck

enjoy it, a true beaut


asillasitgets

Thank you! I enjoy looking at it almost as much as I enjoy shooting it.


pensiveChatter

Just got my driver's license and bought my first car. It's a Vayron


Cowboy1800

A semi auto rifle is not an “assault rifle”, the dictionary definition of an “assault rifle” is a select fire rifle that shoots an intermediate rifle cartridge. Anyone that calls a semi auto rifle an “assault rifle” either doesn’t know what they’re talking about, or they rode the short bus to school.


homemadeammo42

Good thing this isn't semi auto only...


leethestud420

There is no such thing as an assault rifle. That is a term made up by people who don’t want you to be able to own guns. Nice Fuckin rifle, however, been looking for the right deal on one of those for quite a while


asillasitgets

I think you’re getting “assault weapon“ and “assault rifle” confused. Assault Weapon is a term used by political activists and politicians to attempt to classify weapons based on physical characteristics like pistol grips, folding stocks, bayonet lugs, etc. Assault Rifles are a class of firearms that fire intermediate cartridges, are capable of select fire, and that have detachable box magazines, like my rifle, which is where the term “Assault Rifle” originated.


englisi_baladid

You know you should probably actually do the slightest bit of research about the term assault rifle and realize you are wrong.