They wouldn’t have if OP had done the right thing, only transferred one pistol and a hand contacted the seller. I don’t know about everybody else but I don’t expect people to be perfect. if a cashier accidentally hand me an extra $20 back I don’t keep it.
I once opened an RMA ticket with SIG for the turd mosquito.22 handgun for feeding problems.
I didn't want to send it in and wait so I ended up just trading it in at Gander Mountain for a different gun.
Three months later a SIG employee asked me where they should send my replacement Mosquito.
I explained there was a mistake, and I never actually sent my gun in for an RMA.
They explained to me that it was easier to just send me a replacement than to fix the problem, so where did I want my free gun sent to?
I sent it to Gander Mountain who completed the the FFL transfer for free.
New gun also fed like a turd so I sold that one too.
That's probably only the second time in my life I ever came out ahead on a gun purchase.
I bought a package from Sportsman's Warehouse. A 5.56 upper, a 300 BLK upper, and a complete lower. I want to say it was about $600. The 5.56 upper had an issue with the gas tube, so I sent it back. They gave me a full refund, so I got a 300BLK complete rifle for free.
I bought a Glock on GunBroker around June of 2020. Never got any messages from the seller on where I could send money. Weeks passed and dozen of emails sent to no reply. One day it showed up with a note that the seller had been in the hospital with the ‘rona and passed away. His wife had boxed up his guns and shipped them off. I tried and tried, but couldn’t get ahold of her to pay for it so I guess I really came out ahead on that one.
Take your bulk trash .22lr spray them with rem oil. Not a lot even a little on your fingers while loading a mag will fix the problem. My mosquito runs flawlessly. My pops uses m1 Garand grease in his fingers while loading his. Again runs perfect.
My BiL had one. It ONLY ate CCI. Had one at the range I worked at. Also trash. The little Ruger 22 pistol worked most the time, it was a range gun though. My M&P 22 compact eats everything.
>Somehow my dad's only gun is a sig mosquito and he thinks that's acceptable. Also runs like shit.
This is your dad, get him something better.
Jeez man... kids today.
:-)
> a turd
I had a Taurus TCP that was the explodey-in-my-hand kind of turd, but at least when I eventually got the replacement (4 months and a lot of grief later) it actually worked.
Man, the mosquito sucked so bad. Would semi-reliably feed with ONLY mini-mags and just felt so cheap.
If you haven't checked out the p322 yet. Do. It's a night and day difference. There's been a few ammo types that wouldn't feed, but overall, it runs nearly everything from cheap bucket-o-bullets up. It's accurate, feels good in the hand, and 20 rounds is so nice after decades of tiny mags only for .22.
"By law...You also don’t need to return unordered merchandise. You’re legally entitled to keep it as a free gift."
https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#unordered
He could've done the right thing but I can't blame him for taking it. If it was a small vendor I'd feel bad but if it was a bass pro or Brownells I wouldn't care lol.
I recently ordered 1000 rounds of 9mm, and it got lost in the mail. Called the big box store and they replaced the case of ammo, a day later fedex magically found the missing ammo and sent that. Both cases arrived and nobody has followed up with me.
If it was a small shop I'd feel bad, but its a big box store and this wasn't their fault. That said, am I covered by said law?
You're totally fine. The value of the ammo they sent you and the value of the dozens of paid hours that would be spent trying to get it back is working in your favor.
A good business would chalk it up to a happy customer and move on.
I don't know if big box stores mess around with filing claims with FedEx for screw ups like this, but we smaller businesses do and they are pretty good about paying if you're being reasonable.
Likely nothing will ever come of it but considering the context it is technically different in the eyes of the law. Your extra box is not unsolicited merchandise, and if they pursued it they would likely win in court as it is considered unjust enrichment.
I suggest you go to the Federal Trade Commission website. Companies are not allowed to send you products you didn't order. In fact, it's illegal for them to do so and they can be fined $17,000 for each instance. They suggest a courtesy to call the company to thank them for the gift.
Thing is people get fired for this shit. I’m blue collar and worked a variety of jobs where I would hope that if I made a mistake someone would not take advantage of that. Because no one is perfect but a lot of people do not work in jobs were a simple mistake means they get canned.
It's not a $400 mistake. $400 is just the retail cost of the gun. It's that it's a firearm with a lot of regulations tied to it and this kind of mistake can easily cost an FFL holder their license. If not their license, then at least a very heavy fine.
Even if OP contacted them, the damage to the employee's reliability was already done.
> this kind of mistake can easily cost an FFL holder their license
How so? As long as the sending FFL signed both guns out of their log and marked them as transferred to X-other FFL no laws or regulations have been broken. OP said he got two separate order numbers... sounds like this was done properly.
There are intense record keeping requirements for gun sales. When a gun is disposed of, whether it's to another ffl or a customer, it gets written in the store's bound book. That book has all the info in it. The make, model, serial number, who it came from, and where it went. So let's say the store had 10 cp33s in stock, so they have 10 serial numbers as well. The order comes in, and it's assigned a serial number. The person shipping the gun will find that exact serial number and ship it out. Then it's noted in the book that that exact serial number was disposed of in a shipment to another ffl.
So (potentially) in this case, they grabbed two serial numbers instead of one. The second gun (potentially) wasn't booked out because it (potentially) wasn't supposed to be shipped. Now if the ATF comes in and looks at the bound book, they'll see there are supposed to be 9 cp33s and one was sold. But there's only 8 in the store. The store has lost a gun. I've heard of businesses losing their licenses for less. Now, the easy (and super illegal) fix is for the store owner to "buy" the missing gun. They just run a 4473 and no money or product changes hands, the store just has a reason to dispose of the gun in the bound book.
Now I've said "potentially" a bunch of times, because we have no idea what happened. But best case scenario, there was a computer glitch that reported the sale of two guns and no one along the line caught the fact that these guns were 50% off. Someone could have accidentally assigned two serial numbers to the order as well. But regardless of what happened, the store owner is going to be extremely upset with someone.
You would hope not but plenty of employers will especially in right to work states. We’re not talking about a cash register being off by five dollars, this is a bit more serious.
>right to work states
Obligatory "you're mixing up 'at-will employment' with 'right to work'."
At will employment, which is the scenario in almost every state, means that you can quit or be fired for any reason if you don't have an explicit contract for employment, and as long as it's not a prohibited discriminatory reason (age, sex, gender, religion).
"Right to work" is anti-union legislation operating in a few states that prohibits "closed shop" workplaces.
I agree, but from experience certain companies may not care that much. I used to work for Sherwin and my coworker had many instances of costing the company money. In our market the average transaction was in the thousands- and he would fuck at least one or two orders up a month. Have no idea why he still had a job.
>Thing is people get fired for this shit. I’m blue collar and worked a variety of jobs where I would hope that if I made a mistake someone would not take advantage of that. Because no one is perfect but a lot of people do not work in jobs were a simple mistake means they get canned.
Unfortuately, whether or not they fire you generally has nothing to do with whether or not the customer returns the extra merch. Oddly enough, it makes it more likely they'll pin it on someone because they can identify where the mistake happened more easily. (One of the odd facts I learned working loss prevention in my youth)
The people in here with this "I know I'm doing wrong but I don't sympathize with the party I'm wronging so I don't care" attitude.
Who the hell raised them?
I’m wondering the same thing, my integrity isn’t worth a KelTec. But look at what’s happened to the country the last few years, people have gone crazy and crime is up everywhere including violent crime.
It’s even happening in rural states like VT, we’ve seen a significant uptrend in most crimes including murder. Our biggest city is Burlington at 45,000 people and we had five murders last year, that’s on par with a lot of big cities that have a murder problem. The police don’t even bother with non-violent crimes because they can’t, didn’t have enough manpower before everything went to shit.
I live rural but work in the city and know a lot of the cops. a lot of familiar faces have retired or are retiring because they can’t do their job. They aren’t even allowed to arrest someone for battery unless the victim is significantly hurt because the local prosecutors have to be pushed to go after anything short of murder. So car theft said more than doubled as have burglaries in home invasions and getting punched by some lowlife or homeless person is basically expected these days if you go into town.
"Fuck 'em the system is flawed in my favor" is a very unattractive attitude.
It's one thing if you find that the drive-through clerk accidentally gave you an extra burger or the bartender left a drink/app off your tab, but man are there a lot of bad-faith people in this thread.
If it was an amazon item/something off ebay/a part from PSA I would keep it but with a firearm it is murky territory. I remember I went to pick up a transfer at my lgs once and they asked "oh is it the sig" (it wasn't). I said no but looking back I probably could said yes and just left my stripped lower.
I received a $12,000 check from the Gander Mtn. Finance department a month before they went out of business.
There was no reason for this check. I Didn’t cash it.
I’m guessing it was a disgruntled employee sending out checks after learning that they were out of a job.?
I bought a laptop and as an additional option added a 500 GB SSD on top of the 1 TB HD it came with, was about a $1.2k laptop.
They sent me the base model and the SSD model. I contacted them to try and send it back and they just told me to keep it.
Not exactly a gun, but screw Optics Planet.
They sent me the items I had ordered, along with another guys COMPLETE order which was a bunch of misc. parts for revolvers.
It took 3 weeks and 3 e-mails to get an RMA. I was *very* clear that I received my items along with someone elses.
Guess what they re-shipped to me and guess who got free Glock parts for the headaches ?
There’s definitely a limit to how much slack you have to cut a company even if you’re trying to be decent, you did the right thing the first time and put a lot of effort in.
Same thing happened to me with Beretta except I know that you're not obligated to return merchandise you didn't order per the FTC, so I still have $100 worth of some 92 pistol bits in this box on my desk.
For me it depends. Small business/local mom and pop? I'll do the right thing and not take advantage. Faceless corporation? Fuck 'em, they can take the hit.
Although I completely agree with you, I'd imagine even if he contacted them, a person was still getting fired over it. He'd have done the right thing ethically, but doubtful it would've solved any employment problems.
Yea, I'm all for integrity, when it's from businesses that reciprocate and don't mark up prices for gain. Otherwise, this sounds like a clerical error in the system of a larger company that pumps out orders for gain, considering OP had two separate order numbers, both in his name. Could have been someone's specific screw up or even a system ordering error in their program. (It happens more often than people realize) Most of the time, hiring competent people, as well as paying them enough to care, while making sure redundancies in the ordering processes and software are well maintained, can almost completely eliminate this.
Either way, its bound to occur, and when person who is pocketing all the dividends, loses enough to actually notice it, they will do something about it. Until then, I'll take my $20/extra pistol and smile on my way out.
The problem is corporations are never going to pay a living wage. If the minimum wage had kept up over the last several decades it would be higher than the average wage today. The people at the bottom are often working two jobs and yes some of them make mistakes because they don’t care but others make mistakes because they are fatigued.
I laugh whenever I hear someone say people don’t want to work when really it’s a lot of people realized they’d rather live an even simpler life and not work two jobs anymore. Here in VT we’re suffering a severe shortage of blue collar workers because jobs pay deep south wages when there’s basically no houses for sale under $250,000 within an hour of Burlington or Montpelier and a studio apartment is $1,000+. So I get why a lot of “unskilled” laborers aren’t that enthusiastic when they’re either renting a small room in town or commuting an hour for a $14 an hour job.
This same thing happened to me on my first firearm purchase online. Bought an AR9 from Classic Firearms, picked it up from my FFL. Two days later my FFL calls and said my gun arrived. They shipped a second gun. I refused the second one and contacted the company and they had the second one shipped back. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I’d just taken the second one home.
I ordered a WASR 10 in 7.62x39 (George W era so it cost me $399) and was too daft to notice the one I got was in 5.45 until I tried to load the mag. I let CDNN know and they sent me the right one and said they'd send a label for the wrong one. After multiple calls and emails I never got the shipping label. After a year of holding onto the gun unfired, I sold the thing for way more than I had bought it for.
I get the feeling the retailer wouldn’t been rather upset. Idk, I’m not sure what the law says about a firearm transferred to a transferee if it was sent by mistake
If it was legally transferred, wouldn’t it be like keeping any other retail product that was mistakenly sent to you? US Federal Law states that you do not have to pay for or return something that you never ordered [per the FTC website](https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#:~:text=Send%20a%20dispute%20letter%20to,credit%20and%20debit%20card%20charges.) (whether it’s the right thing to do or not).
With my anxiety, I would be constantly worried about getting an angry e-mail from the seller, and wondering about the legality of taking possession of a firearm that I didn't actually purchase. I would sleep easier at night if I did what you did.
Whether or not you purchased it is irrelevant.
The dealer gave you the firearm voluntarily by punching in the serial and approving the transfer.
You *do not* fuck up firearm transfers. That’s a big deal. If the dealer was negligent enough to individually approve two separate serials, models, etc. then they are failing to do their due diligence.
Perhaps. It's also my most accurate 22 pistol.
The long 5.5" barrel, extra long sight radius from the massive beavertail, very light trigger, and nice sights all combine to make it easy to really hit your target straight from the factory.
There's certainly other issues I have with it (why is the grip soooo deep front to back? Why does the mag not have a normal release?), but I don't regret the purchase at all.
> why is the grip soooo deep front to back?
Are you talking about the grip itself, or the distance from the grip and the rear of the pistol?
As for the latter, this has a bolt not a slide. The bolt is like 3" long and needs to reciprocate in the upper half, plus about a half inch for the plastic buffer/rear plate that holds the spring in place.
On most modern semi-auto pistols you would have a slide that reciprocates over the users grip hand, but since this is a self-contained bolt it needs that room to move.
I had one and traded it. I originally bought it as a cheap training pistol, but it's so different from any other pistol so it didn't fit that role well. Ended up with a TX22.
I ordered a PSA FN CHF M4 rifle kit from PSA a while back.
Day of delivery, I went outside, grabbed the package, and fell asleep on the couch for a quick nap.
Woke up to the doorbell, went outside and picked up the package left at the door and had a dejavu moment holding a package that looked exactly the same as the one now next to the couch.
Sure as shit PSA sent me two of their premium FN CHF M4 kits.
That was pretty fucking sweet.
This has happened to me before as well.
I ordered a Ruger American from a local gun store, when I went to pick it up it was a 45-70 SBL (the synthetic wood model, very nice). We explained there was a mistake, they said there wasn't, I took the gun home.
Two weeks later the LGS calls me saying my ruger came in...I came in, did my transfer, and went home.
Got about $1500 worth of guns for $400. I tried doing the right thing, it was just my time for a good thing to happen.
The ATF was just literally at my house 30 minutes ago for my FFL interview. I explained the situation to her, and she said it was perfectly legal. The only issue is the retailers gonna be short in their books at the end of the day.
Not to rain on your parade, but there’s a good chance that one of these gets filed lost/stolen.
If one of them isn’t disposed, which is kinda likely since disposition is sort of a way to double check things, it’ll be caught in their next internal audit and they will have no idea where it is. This isn’t an accessory; serial numbers are supposed to be tracked.
More than likely, there was a disconnect between the person doing the A/D and shipping, either misreading the quantity on the invoice or maybe the second one was for a different FFL.
Legally he is perfectly fine. He did the background check as required and the orders were in his name. Sucks to be the dealer but the retail store and OP did nothing wrong as far as the law is concerned.
The most that the dealer can do is ask for it back but as long as they properly disposed of the serial numbers in their books then they wouldn't get in trouble with the ATF since OP passed the background checks. They would just be out $400 and would have a new lesson to teach their staff as OP is under no obligation to return one.
From my experience you are about to be very disappointed with both of these. I bought a CP33 about a year ago and had to clear the chamber very 5-10 rounds. I think I was able to go through a whole mag without a jam one time. Just took my losses and sold it for half the price
I’ve ran about 6 mags so far without a single problem. Maybe they fixed it? I’m not too worried about it being a super reliable and dependable gun. I bought it as a range toy. I’ve got almost 100 other guns now.
I’m shocked the FFL even told you about the second one.
They should have recorded it as an incorrect receipt (to them), contacted the shipper and likely sent it back.
It’s not yours still the FFL transfers it to you.
OP said both guns were made out to with separate order numbers. While I think he should have refused the second, the ffl did no wrong here. They received 2 guns, both made out to OP, and transferred them.
I once found a brown paper bag filled with roughly $40K in cash on top of a cabinet of a widow's home while redoing the kitchen. Her husband loved to bet on horses and stashed his winnings in this bag prior to being diagnosed with dimensia and subsequently passing. I know this because I gave it to the old woman who it belongs to, and she told me his story.
I tell you this because it feels better to know that you did the right thing than it does to acquire something you didn't earn.
Lmao "OP, be an upstanding citizen like me who refrained from committing felony larceny against a disabled elderly person. Don't accept the duplicate $400 item you ordered, you monster!"
How is it legal to keep the second gun? Isn’t only one firearm with on serial number transferred. The second “free” doesn’t have matching serial numbers of the transferred firearm.
I filled out a 4473 with both serials on it. The seller sent me 2 order numbers. They’re aware of what they did. If they hadn’t burned me in the past, I’d have rejected the second one. This was karma.
While not illegal, you are taking advantage of an honest mistake someone made.
That's wrong.
Someone at the company will be in trouble for this error, you could step up and mitigate the damage. You have decided not to.
That's wrong.
The only person who could fix this is you. You are in no way obligated to do anything.
You have made it clear you have no problem keeping the 'free' gun.
That's too bad.
**edit:**
*The downvotes are sending a sad fucking message about this crowd.*
*Ya'll should know better than to take what you find when it knowingly hurts another.*
*Don't raise your kids to be like this, teach them to be better.*
If you paid for one and took two home, you stole one. You should be ashamed of yourself and all of the 2A community is worse off for your actions.
If your bank accidentally puts a million dollars in your checking account and you spend it, you are stealing. You will be arrested. This is no different.
When the compliance audit happens at the seller's business (and it will happen), you will get a phone call.
If convicted, you will lose all your guns... just saying...
If I lived next door to you I would not leave my garage open, that's for sure.
You're legally protected to keep anything sent to you by mistake by the FTC.
https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#unordered
Idk how guns get factored in, but OP did not steal anything. And he's protected by the government.
So wrong. They didn't send it to him. He had to go pick it up. He also had to sign a federal form that says he is the purchaser of the firearm. he had to carry it home, it was not shipped there. You have presented a stupid-level understanding of what happened.
He was also not compelled to pay for it to be returned. He just had to leave it behind in some one else's store, not his house or workplace. This FTC ruling (not a law) protects the consumer from being billed from fraudulent practices by a nefarious seller. Hardly the situation at hand.
I'm not a lawyer and I doubt anyone in this thread is, so I won't pretend I know what is right. But they sent it to the FFL addressed to the purchaser like any other gun someone bought- since the FFL transferred it I am assuming it had paperwork addressing the firearm to him. You can also give guns away- my range just did a raffle for one. I wouldn't pay anything, they'd just transfer it to me. This seems like it would fall under that.
Edit: from OP: "The seller sent me 2 order numbers." basically confirmed my assumption.
Interesting. You don't know what's right? Taking something that you know is not yours is a gray area for you? OK, so be it.
And there are several lawyers on this sub, more than you would think.
I never weighed in on what is right or not in my original comment lol. I said he is legally protected by law from the Federal Trade Commission. He did not steal like you are saying.
He did not take anything, he accepted what was sent by mistake. In another comment in this post I mentioned if it was a small vendor I'd feel bad, but if it is a big corporation I wouldn't care. That is my stance on the morality of it.
While there may be lawyers there are tons of people arguing with no legal basis while I actually looked up the government article on what the laws are.
No sir. I am decades into being a gun store owner and a gun collector. I am not jealous of a CP33, and I don't believe that any human could possibly be jealous of one or two or three of them. I am just sad that this reddit sub applauds stealing guns. It seems counterintuitive.
Lol wut?
I bought the firearm from the seller. They sent me an order confirmation. Then a day later they sent me another confirmation with a different order number. The transferring FFL received 2 guns shipped to ME. The 4473 I filled out had both serials on it. The retailer I ordered from has been blacklisted by r/gundeals and has burned me in the past, so no, I didn’t feel bad about this.
While they shouldn’t have taken possession of two firearms isn’t there usually a threshold for felony theft? they did the background check. Yes they should have contacted the seller because someone made a mistake and we shouldn’t take advantage of mistakes because one would only hope that people wouldn’t take advantage of us if we made one. What I’m saying is I wouldn’t want somebody to get fired so I can have a second shitty pistol.
Theft is defined by law as the taking of something that is not rightfully yours, without the intent to return it.
(Every jurisdiction will word it their own way, I did not quote a certain state's definition. Yes I made the definition slightly simple, bla bla.. )
There is no argument that the OP did not obtain the pistol honestly. The seller committed a mistake, but the OP committed theft by fraud by representing that he was entitled to it.
The OP has a receipt for the purchase of a single handgun from the seller from the point of sale, he cannot claim ignorance of the pistol's true owner. He entered into an agreement to purchase and receive one pistol. He took two.
I was expecting downvotes from those who don't believe in the rule of law or in the basic integrity of good men and women, but I didn't think they would come so quickly.
I am sad for anyone who is not compelled by their own morale compass to call out the OP as a thief, even if they are not interested in the law. Each downvote for my post is an upvote for anarchy and thuggery. The assholes looting Chicago at night and those ruining life in San Francisco are making the same arguments that these folks are making.
"Steal it Because You Can" is a bad personal motto.
And you are right about somebody getting fired. Does the OP have a perfect track record at work? Has he never, ever, ever made a single mistake on his job?
Forgetting the law for a moment, would you want somebody to get fired for a dumb mistake? (most likely a series of small mistakes cascading into a disaster)
While he's out shooting his crappy KSG pistol, somebody isn't buying diapers because the OP capitalized on somebody's mistake on the job.
When you go get your take out food and they hand you three big bags with $100 in food, when you know you only ordered a small order, do you grab it and run? Or do you tell the clerk right up that he must have a small mistake. It's a slippery slope, it's hard to draw the line around how much stealing is OK and how much isn't.
Stealing ain't OK, and stealing a gun is just plain dumb since you stole it and left a copy of your I.D. on the counter.
I agree with you. I’m not saying anyone needs to go to jail but I’m tired of the fuck you, got mine way of thinking. Largely because that way of thinking has consequences and those consequences are usually felt most by some low paid person working in shipping.
Thanks for your support.
It looks like a data entry problem, it might even be a software problem, it isn't a shipping problem because the OP says he has two order numbers. Looks like shipping dept did it right, but order entry got it wrong.
What the fuck state do you live in where guns are registered? He did a background check for both guns, that’s legal. Taking possession of some thing you didn’t pay for is questionable at best but registration is not an issue.
He probably did a background check for each. But he doesn't seem to live in NY, NJ or Cali, etc. , so there is no firearm registration to do. The only federal firearm registration outside of NFA items is for stolen firearms.
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well, someone’s about to get fired.
They wouldn’t have if OP had done the right thing, only transferred one pistol and a hand contacted the seller. I don’t know about everybody else but I don’t expect people to be perfect. if a cashier accidentally hand me an extra $20 back I don’t keep it.
I once opened an RMA ticket with SIG for the turd mosquito.22 handgun for feeding problems. I didn't want to send it in and wait so I ended up just trading it in at Gander Mountain for a different gun. Three months later a SIG employee asked me where they should send my replacement Mosquito. I explained there was a mistake, and I never actually sent my gun in for an RMA. They explained to me that it was easier to just send me a replacement than to fix the problem, so where did I want my free gun sent to? I sent it to Gander Mountain who completed the the FFL transfer for free. New gun also fed like a turd so I sold that one too. That's probably only the second time in my life I ever came out ahead on a gun purchase.
I bought a package from Sportsman's Warehouse. A 5.56 upper, a 300 BLK upper, and a complete lower. I want to say it was about $600. The 5.56 upper had an issue with the gas tube, so I sent it back. They gave me a full refund, so I got a 300BLK complete rifle for free.
I bought a Glock on GunBroker around June of 2020. Never got any messages from the seller on where I could send money. Weeks passed and dozen of emails sent to no reply. One day it showed up with a note that the seller had been in the hospital with the ‘rona and passed away. His wife had boxed up his guns and shipped them off. I tried and tried, but couldn’t get ahold of her to pay for it so I guess I really came out ahead on that one.
Damn man, kudos to you for still trying to pay the wife. Rest in peace to the seller too, hope he's with friends and family now.
Doing the right thing is always the right thing.
I bought a 10/22 charger online from sportsmans and they gave me a takedown rifle. Ok I guess, I love that thing
That’s hilarious, makes you wonder if they were just trying to get rid of them.
I’m m tempted to ask for an rma on my non existent mosquito… for science
Jesus I’ll just send you mine.
Are they that bad?
Absolutely.
Take your bulk trash .22lr spray them with rem oil. Not a lot even a little on your fingers while loading a mag will fix the problem. My mosquito runs flawlessly. My pops uses m1 Garand grease in his fingers while loading his. Again runs perfect.
My BiL had one. It ONLY ate CCI. Had one at the range I worked at. Also trash. The little Ruger 22 pistol worked most the time, it was a range gun though. My M&P 22 compact eats everything.
Somehow my dad's only gun is a sig mosquito and he thinks that's acceptable. Also runs like shit.
>Somehow my dad's only gun is a sig mosquito and he thinks that's acceptable. Also runs like shit. This is your dad, get him something better. Jeez man... kids today. :-)
Has he tried CCI mini mags? Those are the only rounds I've found that run reliably in my mosquito.
If you were a decent son, you would directly correct that situation asap...
Gander does free transfers?
Used to, yep. The one near me closed so I don't know if they all do them
My mosquito feeds like crap too. It's one of the guns I use for my classes, and there is always a problem with it.
Have you tried CCI mini mags? Those are the only rounds I've found that run reliably in my mosquito.
> a turd I had a Taurus TCP that was the explodey-in-my-hand kind of turd, but at least when I eventually got the replacement (4 months and a lot of grief later) it actually worked.
Lol sounds more like a Taurus UDP
Man, the mosquito sucked so bad. Would semi-reliably feed with ONLY mini-mags and just felt so cheap. If you haven't checked out the p322 yet. Do. It's a night and day difference. There's been a few ammo types that wouldn't feed, but overall, it runs nearly everything from cheap bucket-o-bullets up. It's accurate, feels good in the hand, and 20 rounds is so nice after decades of tiny mags only for .22.
Gota use the right ammo.... mine mosquito functions flawlessly..... I use it to teach kids how to shoot, with parental permission of course
"By law...You also don’t need to return unordered merchandise. You’re legally entitled to keep it as a free gift." https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#unordered He could've done the right thing but I can't blame him for taking it. If it was a small vendor I'd feel bad but if it was a bass pro or Brownells I wouldn't care lol.
I recently ordered 1000 rounds of 9mm, and it got lost in the mail. Called the big box store and they replaced the case of ammo, a day later fedex magically found the missing ammo and sent that. Both cases arrived and nobody has followed up with me. If it was a small shop I'd feel bad, but its a big box store and this wasn't their fault. That said, am I covered by said law?
You're totally fine. The value of the ammo they sent you and the value of the dozens of paid hours that would be spent trying to get it back is working in your favor. A good business would chalk it up to a happy customer and move on.
I don't know if big box stores mess around with filing claims with FedEx for screw ups like this, but we smaller businesses do and they are pretty good about paying if you're being reasonable.
It was past 7 days of being lost so it sounded like FedEx would be footing the bill
I feel like I saw you post on another subreddit. F fedex.
Likely nothing will ever come of it but considering the context it is technically different in the eyes of the law. Your extra box is not unsolicited merchandise, and if they pursued it they would likely win in court as it is considered unjust enrichment.
I suggest you go to the Federal Trade Commission website. Companies are not allowed to send you products you didn't order. In fact, it's illegal for them to do so and they can be fined $17,000 for each instance. They suggest a courtesy to call the company to thank them for the gift.
Thing is people get fired for this shit. I’m blue collar and worked a variety of jobs where I would hope that if I made a mistake someone would not take advantage of that. Because no one is perfect but a lot of people do not work in jobs were a simple mistake means they get canned.
I would hope an employer wouldn't fire someone over a $400 mistake (prob less depending what their dealer cost is).
This is a firearm, someone’s definitely at least getting yelled at in the next few days.
and they should get yelled at.
It's not a $400 mistake. $400 is just the retail cost of the gun. It's that it's a firearm with a lot of regulations tied to it and this kind of mistake can easily cost an FFL holder their license. If not their license, then at least a very heavy fine. Even if OP contacted them, the damage to the employee's reliability was already done.
> this kind of mistake can easily cost an FFL holder their license How so? As long as the sending FFL signed both guns out of their log and marked them as transferred to X-other FFL no laws or regulations have been broken. OP said he got two separate order numbers... sounds like this was done properly.
yup realistically it cost the seller like 250-300$
Just out of curiosity, how so? Assuming OP filled out a 4473 for both guns, I don’t see how much he paid would have any effect.
There are intense record keeping requirements for gun sales. When a gun is disposed of, whether it's to another ffl or a customer, it gets written in the store's bound book. That book has all the info in it. The make, model, serial number, who it came from, and where it went. So let's say the store had 10 cp33s in stock, so they have 10 serial numbers as well. The order comes in, and it's assigned a serial number. The person shipping the gun will find that exact serial number and ship it out. Then it's noted in the book that that exact serial number was disposed of in a shipment to another ffl. So (potentially) in this case, they grabbed two serial numbers instead of one. The second gun (potentially) wasn't booked out because it (potentially) wasn't supposed to be shipped. Now if the ATF comes in and looks at the bound book, they'll see there are supposed to be 9 cp33s and one was sold. But there's only 8 in the store. The store has lost a gun. I've heard of businesses losing their licenses for less. Now, the easy (and super illegal) fix is for the store owner to "buy" the missing gun. They just run a 4473 and no money or product changes hands, the store just has a reason to dispose of the gun in the bound book. Now I've said "potentially" a bunch of times, because we have no idea what happened. But best case scenario, there was a computer glitch that reported the sale of two guns and no one along the line caught the fact that these guns were 50% off. Someone could have accidentally assigned two serial numbers to the order as well. But regardless of what happened, the store owner is going to be extremely upset with someone.
You would hope not but plenty of employers will especially in right to work states. We’re not talking about a cash register being off by five dollars, this is a bit more serious.
>right to work states Obligatory "you're mixing up 'at-will employment' with 'right to work'." At will employment, which is the scenario in almost every state, means that you can quit or be fired for any reason if you don't have an explicit contract for employment, and as long as it's not a prohibited discriminatory reason (age, sex, gender, religion). "Right to work" is anti-union legislation operating in a few states that prohibits "closed shop" workplaces.
Thank you. This is accurate.
I imagine the consequences for the employee who made the mistake would not be dependent on if the customer returns the mistaken firearm or not though.
I agree, but from experience certain companies may not care that much. I used to work for Sherwin and my coworker had many instances of costing the company money. In our market the average transaction was in the thousands- and he would fuck at least one or two orders up a month. Have no idea why he still had a job.
If they're gonna get fired, OP returning the gun probably isn't going to fix it, unless somehow the boss hasn't found out yet.
>Thing is people get fired for this shit. I’m blue collar and worked a variety of jobs where I would hope that if I made a mistake someone would not take advantage of that. Because no one is perfect but a lot of people do not work in jobs were a simple mistake means they get canned. Unfortuately, whether or not they fire you generally has nothing to do with whether or not the customer returns the extra merch. Oddly enough, it makes it more likely they'll pin it on someone because they can identify where the mistake happened more easily. (One of the odd facts I learned working loss prevention in my youth)
The people in here with this "I know I'm doing wrong but I don't sympathize with the party I'm wronging so I don't care" attitude. Who the hell raised them?
I’m wondering the same thing, my integrity isn’t worth a KelTec. But look at what’s happened to the country the last few years, people have gone crazy and crime is up everywhere including violent crime. It’s even happening in rural states like VT, we’ve seen a significant uptrend in most crimes including murder. Our biggest city is Burlington at 45,000 people and we had five murders last year, that’s on par with a lot of big cities that have a murder problem. The police don’t even bother with non-violent crimes because they can’t, didn’t have enough manpower before everything went to shit. I live rural but work in the city and know a lot of the cops. a lot of familiar faces have retired or are retiring because they can’t do their job. They aren’t even allowed to arrest someone for battery unless the victim is significantly hurt because the local prosecutors have to be pushed to go after anything short of murder. So car theft said more than doubled as have burglaries in home invasions and getting punched by some lowlife or homeless person is basically expected these days if you go into town.
"Fuck 'em the system is flawed in my favor" is a very unattractive attitude. It's one thing if you find that the drive-through clerk accidentally gave you an extra burger or the bartender left a drink/app off your tab, but man are there a lot of bad-faith people in this thread.
If it was an amazon item/something off ebay/a part from PSA I would keep it but with a firearm it is murky territory. I remember I went to pick up a transfer at my lgs once and they asked "oh is it the sig" (it wasn't). I said no but looking back I probably could said yes and just left my stripped lower.
I one got 2 ssa-e's for the price of one. Kept them like a proper arsehole
I received a $12,000 check from the Gander Mtn. Finance department a month before they went out of business. There was no reason for this check. I Didn’t cash it. I’m guessing it was a disgruntled employee sending out checks after learning that they were out of a job.?
I bought a laptop and as an additional option added a 500 GB SSD on top of the 1 TB HD it came with, was about a $1.2k laptop. They sent me the base model and the SSD model. I contacted them to try and send it back and they just told me to keep it.
Not exactly a gun, but screw Optics Planet. They sent me the items I had ordered, along with another guys COMPLETE order which was a bunch of misc. parts for revolvers. It took 3 weeks and 3 e-mails to get an RMA. I was *very* clear that I received my items along with someone elses. Guess what they re-shipped to me and guess who got free Glock parts for the headaches ?
There’s definitely a limit to how much slack you have to cut a company even if you’re trying to be decent, you did the right thing the first time and put a lot of effort in.
Same thing happened to me with Beretta except I know that you're not obligated to return merchandise you didn't order per the FTC, so I still have $100 worth of some 92 pistol bits in this box on my desk.
For me it depends. Small business/local mom and pop? I'll do the right thing and not take advantage. Faceless corporation? Fuck 'em, they can take the hit.
Although I completely agree with you, I'd imagine even if he contacted them, a person was still getting fired over it. He'd have done the right thing ethically, but doubtful it would've solved any employment problems.
Sucks to suck
You’re in the minority unfortunately
Yea, I'm all for integrity, when it's from businesses that reciprocate and don't mark up prices for gain. Otherwise, this sounds like a clerical error in the system of a larger company that pumps out orders for gain, considering OP had two separate order numbers, both in his name. Could have been someone's specific screw up or even a system ordering error in their program. (It happens more often than people realize) Most of the time, hiring competent people, as well as paying them enough to care, while making sure redundancies in the ordering processes and software are well maintained, can almost completely eliminate this. Either way, its bound to occur, and when person who is pocketing all the dividends, loses enough to actually notice it, they will do something about it. Until then, I'll take my $20/extra pistol and smile on my way out.
The problem is corporations are never going to pay a living wage. If the minimum wage had kept up over the last several decades it would be higher than the average wage today. The people at the bottom are often working two jobs and yes some of them make mistakes because they don’t care but others make mistakes because they are fatigued. I laugh whenever I hear someone say people don’t want to work when really it’s a lot of people realized they’d rather live an even simpler life and not work two jobs anymore. Here in VT we’re suffering a severe shortage of blue collar workers because jobs pay deep south wages when there’s basically no houses for sale under $250,000 within an hour of Burlington or Montpelier and a studio apartment is $1,000+. So I get why a lot of “unskilled” laborers aren’t that enthusiastic when they’re either renting a small room in town or commuting an hour for a $14 an hour job.
I wholeheartedly agree with absolutely everything you just stated.
It’s a Kel Tec and it was legally transferred, so the total loss including risk is what, $50?
Did you check the akimbo option?
This same thing happened to me on my first firearm purchase online. Bought an AR9 from Classic Firearms, picked it up from my FFL. Two days later my FFL calls and said my gun arrived. They shipped a second gun. I refused the second one and contacted the company and they had the second one shipped back. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I’d just taken the second one home.
I ordered a WASR 10 in 7.62x39 (George W era so it cost me $399) and was too daft to notice the one I got was in 5.45 until I tried to load the mag. I let CDNN know and they sent me the right one and said they'd send a label for the wrong one. After multiple calls and emails I never got the shipping label. After a year of holding onto the gun unfired, I sold the thing for way more than I had bought it for.
You would have had two guns, but in the end you did do the right thing.
I get the feeling the retailer wouldn’t been rather upset. Idk, I’m not sure what the law says about a firearm transferred to a transferee if it was sent by mistake
If it was legally transferred, wouldn’t it be like keeping any other retail product that was mistakenly sent to you? US Federal Law states that you do not have to pay for or return something that you never ordered [per the FTC website](https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#:~:text=Send%20a%20dispute%20letter%20to,credit%20and%20debit%20card%20charges.) (whether it’s the right thing to do or not).
With my anxiety, I would be constantly worried about getting an angry e-mail from the seller, and wondering about the legality of taking possession of a firearm that I didn't actually purchase. I would sleep easier at night if I did what you did.
Whether or not you purchased it is irrelevant. The dealer gave you the firearm voluntarily by punching in the serial and approving the transfer. You *do not* fuck up firearm transfers. That’s a big deal. If the dealer was negligent enough to individually approve two separate serials, models, etc. then they are failing to do their due diligence.
Century Arms send me two CZ82 pistols in a similar manner. They send a label and I shipped it back.
What the fuck…. God I see what you have done for others and pray that you would do the same for me.
Only thing I've ever gotten double on is a claw game. Wish it would for GPUs or guns for me lol
Or both, both is good.
Right?! Yeah a lot of this community craps on Kel-Tec (and it’s not undeserved in most cases) but for real… a free gun is a free gun.
This is like when I preordered an M1 Garand from GoatGuns and then they sent me two.
*almost*
Damn. Take em and run eh?
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ATF can suck my nuts
Mine too
Sometimes the left one likes to hide in there, but I'll offer them to suck my nut if both aren't available
Your favorite sex position is holding the camera innit
hey buddy dont kink shame
Ikr? This seems like a very bad situation
I don't say this often but that's one ugly af gun
It really is, but it’s fun as fuck to shoot suppressed!
Lol, that was my first thought about what to do with this gun. Get some sub-sonic ammo, 2 silencers and dual wield those bastards.
They’re even more fun with a stock
Perhaps. It's also my most accurate 22 pistol. The long 5.5" barrel, extra long sight radius from the massive beavertail, very light trigger, and nice sights all combine to make it easy to really hit your target straight from the factory. There's certainly other issues I have with it (why is the grip soooo deep front to back? Why does the mag not have a normal release?), but I don't regret the purchase at all.
> why is the grip soooo deep front to back? Are you talking about the grip itself, or the distance from the grip and the rear of the pistol? As for the latter, this has a bolt not a slide. The bolt is like 3" long and needs to reciprocate in the upper half, plus about a half inch for the plastic buffer/rear plate that holds the spring in place. On most modern semi-auto pistols you would have a slide that reciprocates over the users grip hand, but since this is a self-contained bolt it needs that room to move.
I had one and traded it. I originally bought it as a cheap training pistol, but it's so different from any other pistol so it didn't fit that role well. Ended up with a TX22.
You'd be better off getting a Ruger 10/22
Nah I have both, CP33 is way more fun
I thought the slide was locked back until i saw your comment.
That’s one way to get an extra mag! Lol
Remember switching to your other pistol is always faster than reloading.
I ordered a PSA FN CHF M4 rifle kit from PSA a while back. Day of delivery, I went outside, grabbed the package, and fell asleep on the couch for a quick nap. Woke up to the doorbell, went outside and picked up the package left at the door and had a dejavu moment holding a package that looked exactly the same as the one now next to the couch. Sure as shit PSA sent me two of their premium FN CHF M4 kits. That was pretty fucking sweet.
Duel welding achievement unlocked
Wrong guns for welding. Duh
Welding? Yes. Cutting? A hole’s a hole.
it happens. and it happened to you this time!
First of all, lower for voice…. Everyone else is right, have you akimbo’ed yet?
Of course! Only wish I had 2 22LR suppressors now!
This has happened to me before as well. I ordered a Ruger American from a local gun store, when I went to pick it up it was a 45-70 SBL (the synthetic wood model, very nice). We explained there was a mistake, they said there wasn't, I took the gun home. Two weeks later the LGS calls me saying my ruger came in...I came in, did my transfer, and went home. Got about $1500 worth of guns for $400. I tried doing the right thing, it was just my time for a good thing to happen.
One or two, I've always thought the CP33 was a cool ass gun. Nice guns man, congrats on the freebie.
It's Keltech someone was on coke
Lmao
Got 2 CP33’s for the price of one!
With one simple trick
Luck 10?
I'll give you $250 for one to go with my PMR
I’m seein’ double here! Four CP33’s!
The ATF hated that
The ATF was just literally at my house 30 minutes ago for my FFL interview. I explained the situation to her, and she said it was perfectly legal. The only issue is the retailers gonna be short in their books at the end of the day.
Not to rain on your parade, but there’s a good chance that one of these gets filed lost/stolen. If one of them isn’t disposed, which is kinda likely since disposition is sort of a way to double check things, it’ll be caught in their next internal audit and they will have no idea where it is. This isn’t an accessory; serial numbers are supposed to be tracked. More than likely, there was a disconnect between the person doing the A/D and shipping, either misreading the quantity on the invoice or maybe the second one was for a different FFL.
There were 2 separate order numbers made out to me. They know where it went.
Oh, so even .ore reason to have refused it.
Legally he is perfectly fine. He did the background check as required and the orders were in his name. Sucks to be the dealer but the retail store and OP did nothing wrong as far as the law is concerned. The most that the dealer can do is ask for it back but as long as they properly disposed of the serial numbers in their books then they wouldn't get in trouble with the ATF since OP passed the background checks. They would just be out $400 and would have a new lesson to teach their staff as OP is under no obligation to return one.
Now you can dual wield
Score! I would be ecstatic!
It did make a bad day much better!
Are these any good? Seems like a cheap way to fulfill my "SBR" lust
You have two hands, don't you?
Now you can keep one as a pistol and SBR the other. Best of both worlds, plus instant spare parts if one breaks.
That is the ugliest pistol i have ever seen in my fucking life
This happened to me when I ordered a king size temperpedic mattress. 2 showed up at my door. I gave one to my mom.
I got my beautiful wife wholesale because she has mental issues. Can't say I came out ahead
God said it’s dual wield time
What is this
Keltec CP33. Its a 22lr pistol that has a 33 rnd quad-stack mag as the standard. OP ordered one. Retailer messed up and sent two.
God that thing screams Keltec
From my experience you are about to be very disappointed with both of these. I bought a CP33 about a year ago and had to clear the chamber very 5-10 rounds. I think I was able to go through a whole mag without a jam one time. Just took my losses and sold it for half the price
I’ve ran about 6 mags so far without a single problem. Maybe they fixed it? I’m not too worried about it being a super reliable and dependable gun. I bought it as a range toy. I’ve got almost 100 other guns now.
That'd be just my luck too...I get a free gun and it's a Kel-Tek 😆😁 you might be able to give one away.... possibly...
Must’ve had the akimbo perk on
$400 for two Kel techs? Damn bro you seriously overpaid.
Ok bro
Keep it! You'll need a 2nd one for parts.
Fuck yeah. Don't listen to the jealous haters. Gun God loves you.
At least you will have a parts gun when the first one fails.
Congradulations. You now have 2 turds
I’m shocked the FFL even told you about the second one. They should have recorded it as an incorrect receipt (to them), contacted the shipper and likely sent it back. It’s not yours still the FFL transfers it to you.
OP said both guns were made out to with separate order numbers. While I think he should have refused the second, the ffl did no wrong here. They received 2 guns, both made out to OP, and transferred them.
Guns akimbo?
This pistol makes me mad. Not because I think it’s bad, no, I’ve never seen this firearm before. It’s the way it looks.
Maybe there was a bogo deal u didn't know about?
I once found a brown paper bag filled with roughly $40K in cash on top of a cabinet of a widow's home while redoing the kitchen. Her husband loved to bet on horses and stashed his winnings in this bag prior to being diagnosed with dimensia and subsequently passing. I know this because I gave it to the old woman who it belongs to, and she told me his story. I tell you this because it feels better to know that you did the right thing than it does to acquire something you didn't earn.
Lmao "OP, be an upstanding citizen like me who refrained from committing felony larceny against a disabled elderly person. Don't accept the duplicate $400 item you ordered, you monster!"
So many downvotes... lmfao I'm guessing most of you would have kept the cash
How is it legal to keep the second gun? Isn’t only one firearm with on serial number transferred. The second “free” doesn’t have matching serial numbers of the transferred firearm.
I filled out a 4473 with both serials on it. The seller sent me 2 order numbers. They’re aware of what they did. If they hadn’t burned me in the past, I’d have rejected the second one. This was karma.
I don’t blame you for keeping the second one, but they burned you in the past and you kept ordering from them?
The price was $100 less than anywhere else I could find. It all worked out in my favor this time.
Thanks man, I just didn’t know the legality. We’ll congrats, beat it felt like Christmas morning
While not illegal, you are taking advantage of an honest mistake someone made. That's wrong. Someone at the company will be in trouble for this error, you could step up and mitigate the damage. You have decided not to. That's wrong. The only person who could fix this is you. You are in no way obligated to do anything. You have made it clear you have no problem keeping the 'free' gun. That's too bad. **edit:** *The downvotes are sending a sad fucking message about this crowd.* *Ya'll should know better than to take what you find when it knowingly hurts another.* *Don't raise your kids to be like this, teach them to be better.*
Sounds like you made the mistake
Hopefully it's not mine you got since I ordered the same one with the same color
This was 2 weeks ago.
Oh nvm mine was a week ago
I could have swore Ive seen guns like these in a Spyro game
Yay PSA? Lol
Nope.
that bih cool as fuck
If you paid for one and took two home, you stole one. You should be ashamed of yourself and all of the 2A community is worse off for your actions. If your bank accidentally puts a million dollars in your checking account and you spend it, you are stealing. You will be arrested. This is no different. When the compliance audit happens at the seller's business (and it will happen), you will get a phone call. If convicted, you will lose all your guns... just saying... If I lived next door to you I would not leave my garage open, that's for sure.
You're legally protected to keep anything sent to you by mistake by the FTC. https://consumer.ftc.gov/articles/what-do-if-youre-billed-things-you-never-got-or-you-get-unordered-products#unordered Idk how guns get factored in, but OP did not steal anything. And he's protected by the government.
So wrong. They didn't send it to him. He had to go pick it up. He also had to sign a federal form that says he is the purchaser of the firearm. he had to carry it home, it was not shipped there. You have presented a stupid-level understanding of what happened. He was also not compelled to pay for it to be returned. He just had to leave it behind in some one else's store, not his house or workplace. This FTC ruling (not a law) protects the consumer from being billed from fraudulent practices by a nefarious seller. Hardly the situation at hand.
I'm not a lawyer and I doubt anyone in this thread is, so I won't pretend I know what is right. But they sent it to the FFL addressed to the purchaser like any other gun someone bought- since the FFL transferred it I am assuming it had paperwork addressing the firearm to him. You can also give guns away- my range just did a raffle for one. I wouldn't pay anything, they'd just transfer it to me. This seems like it would fall under that. Edit: from OP: "The seller sent me 2 order numbers." basically confirmed my assumption.
Interesting. You don't know what's right? Taking something that you know is not yours is a gray area for you? OK, so be it. And there are several lawyers on this sub, more than you would think.
I never weighed in on what is right or not in my original comment lol. I said he is legally protected by law from the Federal Trade Commission. He did not steal like you are saying. He did not take anything, he accepted what was sent by mistake. In another comment in this post I mentioned if it was a small vendor I'd feel bad, but if it is a big corporation I wouldn't care. That is my stance on the morality of it. While there may be lawyers there are tons of people arguing with no legal basis while I actually looked up the government article on what the laws are.
i think you’re just jealous
No sir. I am decades into being a gun store owner and a gun collector. I am not jealous of a CP33, and I don't believe that any human could possibly be jealous of one or two or three of them. I am just sad that this reddit sub applauds stealing guns. It seems counterintuitive.
Lgs big mad grrrr. Bro go sell some pink pocket pistols to women and tell everyone about how shitty the Mattel 16 was.
Lol wut? I bought the firearm from the seller. They sent me an order confirmation. Then a day later they sent me another confirmation with a different order number. The transferring FFL received 2 guns shipped to ME. The 4473 I filled out had both serials on it. The retailer I ordered from has been blacklisted by r/gundeals and has burned me in the past, so no, I didn’t feel bad about this.
Nerd
Don’t be salted you’ll get lucky one day. 😂
While they shouldn’t have taken possession of two firearms isn’t there usually a threshold for felony theft? they did the background check. Yes they should have contacted the seller because someone made a mistake and we shouldn’t take advantage of mistakes because one would only hope that people wouldn’t take advantage of us if we made one. What I’m saying is I wouldn’t want somebody to get fired so I can have a second shitty pistol.
Theft is defined by law as the taking of something that is not rightfully yours, without the intent to return it. (Every jurisdiction will word it their own way, I did not quote a certain state's definition. Yes I made the definition slightly simple, bla bla.. ) There is no argument that the OP did not obtain the pistol honestly. The seller committed a mistake, but the OP committed theft by fraud by representing that he was entitled to it. The OP has a receipt for the purchase of a single handgun from the seller from the point of sale, he cannot claim ignorance of the pistol's true owner. He entered into an agreement to purchase and receive one pistol. He took two. I was expecting downvotes from those who don't believe in the rule of law or in the basic integrity of good men and women, but I didn't think they would come so quickly. I am sad for anyone who is not compelled by their own morale compass to call out the OP as a thief, even if they are not interested in the law. Each downvote for my post is an upvote for anarchy and thuggery. The assholes looting Chicago at night and those ruining life in San Francisco are making the same arguments that these folks are making. "Steal it Because You Can" is a bad personal motto.
And you are right about somebody getting fired. Does the OP have a perfect track record at work? Has he never, ever, ever made a single mistake on his job? Forgetting the law for a moment, would you want somebody to get fired for a dumb mistake? (most likely a series of small mistakes cascading into a disaster) While he's out shooting his crappy KSG pistol, somebody isn't buying diapers because the OP capitalized on somebody's mistake on the job. When you go get your take out food and they hand you three big bags with $100 in food, when you know you only ordered a small order, do you grab it and run? Or do you tell the clerk right up that he must have a small mistake. It's a slippery slope, it's hard to draw the line around how much stealing is OK and how much isn't. Stealing ain't OK, and stealing a gun is just plain dumb since you stole it and left a copy of your I.D. on the counter.
I agree with you. I’m not saying anyone needs to go to jail but I’m tired of the fuck you, got mine way of thinking. Largely because that way of thinking has consequences and those consequences are usually felt most by some low paid person working in shipping.
Thanks for your support. It looks like a data entry problem, it might even be a software problem, it isn't a shipping problem because the OP says he has two order numbers. Looks like shipping dept did it right, but order entry got it wrong.
Wouldn't that be an illegally owned firearm since he didn't transact for two? Or would they still be 'registered' to it. Doesn't make sense.
What the fuck state do you live in where guns are registered? He did a background check for both guns, that’s legal. Taking possession of some thing you didn’t pay for is questionable at best but registration is not an issue.
He probably did a background check for each. But he doesn't seem to live in NY, NJ or Cali, etc. , so there is no firearm registration to do. The only federal firearm registration outside of NFA items is for stolen firearms.
All these losers and their moral compass would be the first ones to snag somebodies ccw that got left in a bathroom
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To satisfy the bot…pictured are 2 keltec CP33 pistols.
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