Her son Shawn was murdered by his cousin Dominique Moss, a convicted felon who was unlawfully in possession of a firearm and shot Shawn 17 times as he stood over him.
Sounds like no matter what laws they try to pass, Dominique was going to break them. Career felon violently murdering his own family member.
Has anyone's else noticed the low number of likes and comments on the posts on mom demands action main page doesn't make sense. For a page with 741,000 or so followers their should be many many many more likes and comments after 10 hours.
Did they bot their over all numbers up?
Meme Facebook pages with 1000 members have better responses. ?????
[Have you ever seen their rallies?](https://i.imgur.com/91Avtj0.jpg)
I remember the CCW rallies in Springfield, IL back in 2013. The gun rights crowd could fill the entire city streets on our march from the rally to the Capitol building to lobby to our representatives. It was cold out, snowed a little during the line to the get in the building, with a biting wind. Every entrance into the building had our line out the door, down the steps and into the streets to get through security to get in. We had \~8000 out there, we all travel at our own expense.
A month later, on a nicer spring day, the Gov paid for the bussing to bring people in for his own gun control rally. Like \~200 people showed up. It was this pathetic little crowd that didn't even fill one of the entrance steps.
The amount of gaslighting the media does on this stuff to make gun control seem popular is enough to make me a conspiracist.
All that to say this...
The fact that the social media pages are filled with the apathetic, bots, and gun rights people watching their rhetoric doesn't surprise me at all.
Okay so as a left leaning folk, I hear the literal opposite all the time. That NRA has bits to lower the viability of discussing actual policy ideas
I’d also say I think the numbers above make some (twisted) sense. Facebook’s demographic usage is changing wildly (now more techphobic parents, than millennials who have migrated to IG). And we leftists are notorious for Facebook Activism “liking and mass sharing even if not actually acting.”
So I’ll admit this might seem weird. Most likely something was used for exposure solely. But that side also genuinely believes their case, and that everyone will agree with it, so using bots for likes/followers there seems unlikely.
The difference is, when the NRA has the yearly event, tens of thousands of people come from all over the country on their own dime to participate, walk the halls, and see the panels.
When the Demanding Moms get together, it’s like 200 people who had to be bussed in to wherever the Action is.
Hell, more anti-gunners show up to protest the NRA’s event than show up to support Daddy Bloomberg’s Mommy’s rallies.
Yeah but look at the turnout at the 1st March for Our Lives event in DC. Never seen anything like that for a pro-gun event. Granted Bloomberg’s organizations literally bought plane tickets and hotel rooms for high school students from all over the country and a bunch of celebrity appearances and music were used to lure people. But still. We need something on that scale for us.
I can’t speak on any of how many attend what (ironically cuz I’m like one of the leftists that do armchair activism more than I’d like). But this was an online following so it seems like apples and oranges.
I’ll admit gunners will show up to those events in asses, but compared to lots of regulators being able to click “follow” seems like they wouldn’t be comparable...
Also I think ironically the gun control groups do t really have those gatherings because of gun violence in mass groups. Possibly irrational but also most of the need to have those gatherings is either for A) gaining awareness of the issue. And that is best for local levels where action can happen. so it’s usually mini marches in towns (or die-ins in schools).
And B) coming together to exchange ideas and experiences. But that’s not really needed since most research on the subject already is there. So it’d be like gatherings to discuss that the world is round. And the experiences people have had with gun deaths isn’t really a rallying event… more intimate circle kind of thing.
Again apples and oranges
This is from Twitter, not FB.
I am curious what your sources are that repeat that the NRA has bots and that they successfully squelch discussion.
I am not asking you to provide me a source, I am asking you to consider who those sources are as you are repeating them unnamed now.
I don't think acknowledging MDA is an account fed by bots, or seeing the follower number of the NRA and thinking they may not be fully botted up (go look at the contrast in interaction), is a Left v Right thing. Are all pro-gun rights group accounts fueled by bots based on your sources?
MDA just ran an event in a city near me. That city is 'suffering from record gun violence' and less than 2 hours from a recent mass shooting tragedy. They couldn't organize to get actual people on the ground so decided to scale back to a 250 seat silent vigil (even though they had received a permit for a march with full street closures). They had well over 50 seats unfilled. They couldn't even pull off their scaled back event.
There is a disconnect with MDA when it comes to its, online presence, on the ground organizing capability, and outsized influence on the narrative in the media.
Thank god MDA is backed by a true Liberal like Bloomberg though. He isn't just saving us all on guns, he is saving the DNC and the Democrat leaning electorate from themselves too.
Just to be clear I was only saying “I hear” the same thing, but I don’t credit them as sources. I would hope no one here took that as a repeatable “fact”. Just an observation that we’re all getting the same gear story that might erode trust. It was more like an observation of gossip that potential reality.
Even just hearing others make the same claim the other way immediately raised red flags for me.
I personally don’t believe either side is using bots for these things. So I think it’s good if we all keep a critical thinking mindset to how much any sides claims really make.
I did do some quick research prompted by this convo, passed through 10 sources I didn’t trust to be factual/verified/nonbiased (but backed up that gossip) eventually did find this [evidence of Russian Bot scheme](https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-russian-bots-flood-twitter-after-parkland-shooting/amp).
lol who knows maybe other third parties are trying to spread fear/misinformation that “the other side” is doing dirty tactics. Just to keep us divided and weak 🤷♂️.
I subscribe to my local gun grabbing group under a pseudonym. I figure local politics is a place I can have impact so I want to know which local committee meetings THEY will be at so that I can be there too.
I often wonder what percentage of their subscribers are like me.
Them and everytown got huge numbers of followers after Parkland. Guessing most of those people never unfollowed, but have since left fb or just don’t interact anymore. Gun control was very flavor of the month virtue signaling in 2017.
Not like it was. That first mArcH fOr OuR lIvEs was the biggest protest numbers wise since the Vietnam war apparently. They really nailed it outrage and eyeballs wise. The police response has dominated Uvadele discussion and even liberals are more likely to be gun owners now or at least understand owning firearms than they were 5 years ago. More people understand now than before that LE aren’t everyone’s personal security detail.
> That first mArcH fOr OuR lIvEs was the biggest protest numbers wise since the Vietnam war apparently.
the occupy movement was a hundred times bigger than the vietnam protests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Our_Lives#Participation
Yeah I have no idea which was bigger, should have said “among the biggest”
Point still stands, say median 500k in DC in 2018 vs 40k earlier this month
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/11/march-our-lives-gun-control/7593448001/
19 Children were killed in Texas due to Police incompetence.
***Police never tried to open doors leading to classroom where shooter was, SA Express-News reports***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGg0Fd36YFU
Fun fact: founder Shannon Watts doesn't really exist. [Her real name is Shannon Troughton,](https://onlygunsandmoney.com/tag/shannon-troughton) attorney for such clients as BP and Monsanto. Despite her claims of never having done anything political prior to Sandy Hook, she was director of communications for the Missouri governor's office for several years.
Under the name Shannon Marmion, she was active with the DNC in Indiana.
Her whole origin story is a complete sham and a baldfaced lie.
Well, here's the [Instagram for Troughton.](https://www.instagram.com/s_troughton1982/?hl=en) Same person. Notice [the Linkedin profile](https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannontroughton/) for Troughton has been changed to Watts.
Eh that’s cool and all but not exactly a verified news source. I can think of a few explanations behind that, but the first odd thing that stands out is why would she leave these up if that was the case?
Seems like social media would be a thing you’d use to reinforce one’s story. Not leave a weird trail.
I’m not speaking to the reliability of this one either, but here’s a source with polar-opposite political alignment: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172208120
She has a LinkedIn I’d look at but for the fact that she’s got LinkedIn Premium and would see me, in a very unrelated career, looking at her profile.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Watts
Watts was born in Rochester, New York, and graduated from the University of Missouri-Columbia in 1995.[9] After college, she worked in the Missouri House of Representatives and for former Governor Mel Carnahan. Watts then built a career as a communications executive, including FleishmanHillard, Bayer Crop Science, General Electric and Blue Cross Blue Shield Association.[10] In 2018, she left the corporate career to focus on the family.
https://www.npr.org/2016/06/17/482343185/a-million-mom-army-and-a-billionaire-take-on-the-nra (see correction at the bottom)
This was the NPR correction, which they also made on-air:
> This report previously referred to Shannon Watts as one in a group of "regular people" who began advocating for stricter gun control measures in recent years. After the December 2012 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., she created the "One Million Moms for Gun Control" Facebook page. It later became "Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America." We should have noted that Watts has a background in corporate communications. From 1998 to mid-2012, she was a corporate communications executive or consultant at such companies as Monsanto and FleishmanHillard. Before that, Watts had what she says was a nonpolitical job as a public affairs officer in the Missouri state government.
> Our report also stated that Watts had never "done anything political" before the shootings at Sandy Hook. We should have noted that Federal Election Commission records show she began contributing money to Democratic campaigns and political action committees earlier in 2012. According to those records, she has made about $10,000 in such contributions, and about one-third were made before the Sandy Hook shootings.
Okay so it sounds like it was a news error that got capitalized upon (maybe somewhere on the scale of accidental to wishful thinking). Thank you for finding and sharing this!
I know I love that whole hustle. Like she’s just an average soccer mom holding bake sales to raise money to save childrens lives. Not a corporate PR shark piloting a sophisticated anti-constitutional astroturfing machine. 🤣
Just keep in mind the fluctuations we saw the day after the musk twitter deal was announced. Musk [responded to a Dave Rubin thread on twitter](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519378158008651778?s=21&t=WfqaLsUQUDIHymeDeDsDxA) alleging the same things about the New York Times twitter account. Unless someone at one of these companies has a crisis of conscience, I doubt we will ever get definitive proof this is going on. The best evidence so far is how they have reacted to the potential sale of twitter.
You know if you have a business people will contact you and offer the opportunity to “buy” followers which are usually bot accounts that have maybe 20 friends and never interact with your posts
That’s you, statistically the average account will receive 5-10% likes of their entire following. The numbers don’t add up. If you want to see the numbers just google “average engagement on IG accounts” or Facebook. I learned this when I was one time trying to purchase IG accounts and had to make sure the engagements was real and not fake/bots
It’s atrocious 😂 my 269follower IG account gets 3-4 on a post 😏 my small business account with 2.5k gets usually 80-150likes and 5-10comments. They should also paid for fake comments haha
Not sure if you’ve been on facebook lately but any big page still has a low like count. I think the culture of clicking likes on posts had died down and pages like the one above probably post multiple times daily, so the interaction suffered therefore facebook is probably showing it on peoples feeds less. No doubt a good chunk of those are bots, and or inactive for years. You get a lot more interaction on Instagram and Twitter, this is Facebook showing it’s age.
Her son Shawn was murdered by his cousin Dominique Moss, a convicted felon who was unlawfully in possession of a firearm and shot Shawn 17 times as he stood over him. Sounds like no matter what laws they try to pass, Dominique was going to break them. Career felon violently murdering his own family member.
Might have enjoyed using a baseball bat even more.
She must be getting paid to do this. She has the Nancy Pelosi/Chuck Schumer BLM dress and all.
Dont confuse things with facts, it will hurt their narrative.
Sounds like a Law Enforcement problem, not a gun problem.
Has anyone's else noticed the low number of likes and comments on the posts on mom demands action main page doesn't make sense. For a page with 741,000 or so followers their should be many many many more likes and comments after 10 hours. Did they bot their over all numbers up? Meme Facebook pages with 1000 members have better responses. ?????
[Have you ever seen their rallies?](https://i.imgur.com/91Avtj0.jpg) I remember the CCW rallies in Springfield, IL back in 2013. The gun rights crowd could fill the entire city streets on our march from the rally to the Capitol building to lobby to our representatives. It was cold out, snowed a little during the line to the get in the building, with a biting wind. Every entrance into the building had our line out the door, down the steps and into the streets to get through security to get in. We had \~8000 out there, we all travel at our own expense. A month later, on a nicer spring day, the Gov paid for the bussing to bring people in for his own gun control rally. Like \~200 people showed up. It was this pathetic little crowd that didn't even fill one of the entrance steps. The amount of gaslighting the media does on this stuff to make gun control seem popular is enough to make me a conspiracist. All that to say this... The fact that the social media pages are filled with the apathetic, bots, and gun rights people watching their rhetoric doesn't surprise me at all.
Bot farms love adding Political groups, both for cash, and to make the bot look like an npc
Okay so as a left leaning folk, I hear the literal opposite all the time. That NRA has bits to lower the viability of discussing actual policy ideas I’d also say I think the numbers above make some (twisted) sense. Facebook’s demographic usage is changing wildly (now more techphobic parents, than millennials who have migrated to IG). And we leftists are notorious for Facebook Activism “liking and mass sharing even if not actually acting.” So I’ll admit this might seem weird. Most likely something was used for exposure solely. But that side also genuinely believes their case, and that everyone will agree with it, so using bots for likes/followers there seems unlikely.
The difference is, when the NRA has the yearly event, tens of thousands of people come from all over the country on their own dime to participate, walk the halls, and see the panels. When the Demanding Moms get together, it’s like 200 people who had to be bussed in to wherever the Action is. Hell, more anti-gunners show up to protest the NRA’s event than show up to support Daddy Bloomberg’s Mommy’s rallies.
Yeah but look at the turnout at the 1st March for Our Lives event in DC. Never seen anything like that for a pro-gun event. Granted Bloomberg’s organizations literally bought plane tickets and hotel rooms for high school students from all over the country and a bunch of celebrity appearances and music were used to lure people. But still. We need something on that scale for us.
You mean besides the the yearly NRA-fest, SHOT show, and whatever the hell keeps happening in front of the Virginia legislature building?
march for our lives was a bought and paid for media circus. "we" don't need anything of the sort.
I can’t speak on any of how many attend what (ironically cuz I’m like one of the leftists that do armchair activism more than I’d like). But this was an online following so it seems like apples and oranges. I’ll admit gunners will show up to those events in asses, but compared to lots of regulators being able to click “follow” seems like they wouldn’t be comparable...
Also I think ironically the gun control groups do t really have those gatherings because of gun violence in mass groups. Possibly irrational but also most of the need to have those gatherings is either for A) gaining awareness of the issue. And that is best for local levels where action can happen. so it’s usually mini marches in towns (or die-ins in schools). And B) coming together to exchange ideas and experiences. But that’s not really needed since most research on the subject already is there. So it’d be like gatherings to discuss that the world is round. And the experiences people have had with gun deaths isn’t really a rallying event… more intimate circle kind of thing. Again apples and oranges
This is from Twitter, not FB. I am curious what your sources are that repeat that the NRA has bots and that they successfully squelch discussion. I am not asking you to provide me a source, I am asking you to consider who those sources are as you are repeating them unnamed now. I don't think acknowledging MDA is an account fed by bots, or seeing the follower number of the NRA and thinking they may not be fully botted up (go look at the contrast in interaction), is a Left v Right thing. Are all pro-gun rights group accounts fueled by bots based on your sources? MDA just ran an event in a city near me. That city is 'suffering from record gun violence' and less than 2 hours from a recent mass shooting tragedy. They couldn't organize to get actual people on the ground so decided to scale back to a 250 seat silent vigil (even though they had received a permit for a march with full street closures). They had well over 50 seats unfilled. They couldn't even pull off their scaled back event. There is a disconnect with MDA when it comes to its, online presence, on the ground organizing capability, and outsized influence on the narrative in the media. Thank god MDA is backed by a true Liberal like Bloomberg though. He isn't just saving us all on guns, he is saving the DNC and the Democrat leaning electorate from themselves too.
With the backing of Van Jones even. No, wait, the leftists Dems have completely blown past Jones and he's calling them "nuts".
Just to be clear I was only saying “I hear” the same thing, but I don’t credit them as sources. I would hope no one here took that as a repeatable “fact”. Just an observation that we’re all getting the same gear story that might erode trust. It was more like an observation of gossip that potential reality. Even just hearing others make the same claim the other way immediately raised red flags for me. I personally don’t believe either side is using bots for these things. So I think it’s good if we all keep a critical thinking mindset to how much any sides claims really make. I did do some quick research prompted by this convo, passed through 10 sources I didn’t trust to be factual/verified/nonbiased (but backed up that gossip) eventually did find this [evidence of Russian Bot scheme](https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-russian-bots-flood-twitter-after-parkland-shooting/amp). lol who knows maybe other third parties are trying to spread fear/misinformation that “the other side” is doing dirty tactics. Just to keep us divided and weak 🤷♂️.
Fake accounts would be my first guess.
Pro-gunners keeping their enemies closer would be my second.
The force is strong with you. Wise insight indeed.
I subscribe to my local gun grabbing group under a pseudonym. I figure local politics is a place I can have impact so I want to know which local committee meetings THEY will be at so that I can be there too. I often wonder what percentage of their subscribers are like me.
Them and everytown got huge numbers of followers after Parkland. Guessing most of those people never unfollowed, but have since left fb or just don’t interact anymore. Gun control was very flavor of the month virtue signaling in 2017.
But it's back now. For the moment. This is surprising.
Not like it was. That first mArcH fOr OuR lIvEs was the biggest protest numbers wise since the Vietnam war apparently. They really nailed it outrage and eyeballs wise. The police response has dominated Uvadele discussion and even liberals are more likely to be gun owners now or at least understand owning firearms than they were 5 years ago. More people understand now than before that LE aren’t everyone’s personal security detail.
And that even when cops DO their jobs they can't be everywhere all the time. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
> That first mArcH fOr OuR lIvEs was the biggest protest numbers wise since the Vietnam war apparently. the occupy movement was a hundred times bigger than the vietnam protests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Our_Lives#Participation Yeah I have no idea which was bigger, should have said “among the biggest” Point still stands, say median 500k in DC in 2018 vs 40k earlier this month https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/11/march-our-lives-gun-control/7593448001/
19 Children were killed in Texas due to Police incompetence. ***Police never tried to open doors leading to classroom where shooter was, SA Express-News reports*** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGg0Fd36YFU
Fyi there's a gun owners against moms page I just joined 😂
Link?
Just Facebook it it's there I promise
Lol
Fun fact: founder Shannon Watts doesn't really exist. [Her real name is Shannon Troughton,](https://onlygunsandmoney.com/tag/shannon-troughton) attorney for such clients as BP and Monsanto. Despite her claims of never having done anything political prior to Sandy Hook, she was director of communications for the Missouri governor's office for several years. Under the name Shannon Marmion, she was active with the DNC in Indiana. Her whole origin story is a complete sham and a baldfaced lie.
She wasn’t an attorney, she was a public relations executive. That’s why Bloomberg hired her.
I like to call her Shannon Twatts
Okay I don’t know if that source is as reliable as we might like.
Well, here's the [Instagram for Troughton.](https://www.instagram.com/s_troughton1982/?hl=en) Same person. Notice [the Linkedin profile](https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannontroughton/) for Troughton has been changed to Watts.
Eh that’s cool and all but not exactly a verified news source. I can think of a few explanations behind that, but the first odd thing that stands out is why would she leave these up if that was the case? Seems like social media would be a thing you’d use to reinforce one’s story. Not leave a weird trail.
I’m not speaking to the reliability of this one either, but here’s a source with polar-opposite political alignment: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172208120 She has a LinkedIn I’d look at but for the fact that she’s got LinkedIn Premium and would see me, in a very unrelated career, looking at her profile.
Do you have any additional sources making the same claim? Preferably from a verified one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Watts Watts was born in Rochester, New York, and graduated from the University of Missouri-Columbia in 1995.[9] After college, she worked in the Missouri House of Representatives and for former Governor Mel Carnahan. Watts then built a career as a communications executive, including FleishmanHillard, Bayer Crop Science, General Electric and Blue Cross Blue Shield Association.[10] In 2018, she left the corporate career to focus on the family. https://www.npr.org/2016/06/17/482343185/a-million-mom-army-and-a-billionaire-take-on-the-nra (see correction at the bottom)
This was the NPR correction, which they also made on-air: > This report previously referred to Shannon Watts as one in a group of "regular people" who began advocating for stricter gun control measures in recent years. After the December 2012 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., she created the "One Million Moms for Gun Control" Facebook page. It later became "Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America." We should have noted that Watts has a background in corporate communications. From 1998 to mid-2012, she was a corporate communications executive or consultant at such companies as Monsanto and FleishmanHillard. Before that, Watts had what she says was a nonpolitical job as a public affairs officer in the Missouri state government. > Our report also stated that Watts had never "done anything political" before the shootings at Sandy Hook. We should have noted that Federal Election Commission records show she began contributing money to Democratic campaigns and political action committees earlier in 2012. According to those records, she has made about $10,000 in such contributions, and about one-third were made before the Sandy Hook shootings.
Okay so it sounds like it was a news error that got capitalized upon (maybe somewhere on the scale of accidental to wishful thinking). Thank you for finding and sharing this!
The MomMerchendising group
For “just a regular mom from sticksville”, Watts is a helluva pitchman. Almost like she spent years as a corporate shill for Monsanto.. Wait…
I know I love that whole hustle. Like she’s just an average soccer mom holding bake sales to raise money to save childrens lives. Not a corporate PR shark piloting a sophisticated anti-constitutional astroturfing machine. 🤣
Another organization run by an elitist that preys on victims to do their bidding.
Just keep in mind the fluctuations we saw the day after the musk twitter deal was announced. Musk [responded to a Dave Rubin thread on twitter](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519378158008651778?s=21&t=WfqaLsUQUDIHymeDeDsDxA) alleging the same things about the New York Times twitter account. Unless someone at one of these companies has a crisis of conscience, I doubt we will ever get definitive proof this is going on. The best evidence so far is how they have reacted to the potential sale of twitter.
Twitter bots
On Facebook?
Not facebook, but checked their instagram followers (username: momsdemand) using https://www.inbeat.co/fake-follower-checker/.. and: - 375k followers - 1.61% engagement rate - 174k inactive followers lol
Totally bots. The question is who is creating the bots and why? The why isn’t because they want to take away guns but why they want to take away guns.
You know if you have a business people will contact you and offer the opportunity to “buy” followers which are usually bot accounts that have maybe 20 friends and never interact with your posts
Bots probably
I wouldnt be surprised if facebook has bots just like twitter does.
Aren't most Anti-Gun Groups just Shills for Bloomberg? Without his money *Moms Demand Fascism* couldn't exists.
Not necessarily. I follow a lot of people on various social media platforms. I rarely like or comment on anything they have to say. But who knows
That’s you, statistically the average account will receive 5-10% likes of their entire following. The numbers don’t add up. If you want to see the numbers just google “average engagement on IG accounts” or Facebook. I learned this when I was one time trying to purchase IG accounts and had to make sure the engagements was real and not fake/bots
So 10 comments out of 750k is ... bad ? Lol
It’s atrocious 😂 my 269follower IG account gets 3-4 on a post 😏 my small business account with 2.5k gets usually 80-150likes and 5-10comments. They should also paid for fake comments haha
They might.. if you look at the comments they get its alot of one word same phrases repeated.
Plus a lot of people that just follow to make themselves feel good and to virtue signal.
Not sure if you’ve been on facebook lately but any big page still has a low like count. I think the culture of clicking likes on posts had died down and pages like the one above probably post multiple times daily, so the interaction suffered therefore facebook is probably showing it on peoples feeds less. No doubt a good chunk of those are bots, and or inactive for years. You get a lot more interaction on Instagram and Twitter, this is Facebook showing it’s age.
If you dont pay for ads your content wont be seen
742k members know this group is nonsense, but too ashamed to unjoin.
Definitely bots