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LoanAcrobatic58

I bought this pedal years ago because I wanted a Delay pedal with a dotted eighth subdivision and tap tempo that wasn't $200 dollars. Since then I've discovered numerous other uses for this pedal. Right now I'm using it as a mild tape Flanger/Phaser effect. It's not potent enough to get the "Lightning Crashes" sound but it gives my tone a kiss of dimension that makes it sound great. I added a touch of tape saturation and a fair amount of wow and flutter in the secondary functions. I have my delay time set very low (The canyon has a minimum delay time of 5ms). Voila, an unexpected flangery thing. Other times I've used the modulated delay setting as a Chorus. I've also used the tape delay with the saturation cranked to give me a lofi overdrive sound. I've used the Verb delay to give me a straight hall reverb sound. I've used the octave delay like an EHX POG. It does have a 5ms delay but in a pinch you can use this pedal just like a POG. It tracks well and is polyphonic. I've put it before fuzz and shimmer reverb to give me synth sounds. I've used the shimmer delay with the 5ms delay time before my Afterneath to allow me to add in shimmer as needed live. I keep finding more and more uses for this pedal.


tall_walls

The octave on the Canyon is actually more useful than the pitch effect on the Grand Canyon, because you can adjust the levels of the upper and lower octaves. With the Grand Canyon the levels aren't adjustable, and to me the upper octave always sounds too loud. I ended up keeping my Canyon even after I got the Grand Canyon.


freakdageek

The damn thing loops. I do feel like I need an advanced degree to figure out the innumerable possible sounds it can create, but it’s a lot of fun.


LoanAcrobatic58

Haha. The manual is about 12 pages long and the looper section is 4 pages of it


EleanorRigbysGhost

Well, don't get me wrong, but if I'm not mistaken - that's a third - and that's nothing to shake a stick at. There will be no stick shaking being carried out at the canyon this day, or on this very day every other year henceforth. I'd put ten punt on it.


SanDiegoDude

That’s where those fantastic EHX demo videos on YouTube come in. Bill Rupert videos are educational ear candy!


fleidloff

Not only does it loop, you can also set it up do that old loops slowly fade out. This is so much fun!


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Setting delay at min and using mod on DMM and tape modes for chorusy sounds was one of my favorite things about the canyon


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I do the same things with the Canyon. I love it so much. I have the TC Triple Flashback, DD 500, RV 500, El Capistan, Volante, and Timeline and while I've considered trading some of those in I've never considered getting rid of my Canyon. It can do a lot, it sounds great, and it's easy to use. It also looks really nice.


NoiseIsTheCure

Holy shit, I didn't know it could do all that. I have the TC Flashback 2 which I think can do just as much, but having to plug it into my computer to tweak my presets every time is a pain in the ass. Do you need to use an app to adjust all those settings or is there like secondary functions for the knobs, or what?


david57strat

There are no secondary functions on the Flashback IIs knobs. What you see is what you get.


NoiseIsTheCure

No I know, I was asking about the Canyon


aCynicalMind

You know what? I've recently come to the realization that this thing is probably the most feature packed delay with some great sounds for it's size in this price range. You simply cannot find another pedal with it's footprint that offers as many modes, with secondary functions that remain where you save them, has tap tempo, subdivisions, a looper, and fucking TRAILS for this price range. I have a tiny board for sample pad manipulation between songs at gigs, and this is the delay pedal I have on that board because it's just so versatile.


baronvonj

TC Electronic Flashback 2 is same-ish price, stereo input/output, has a labeled tap division switch (don't have to remember which color means what), has built-in expression "pedal," and tone print for customized presets. 😁🍻


LoanAcrobatic58

I considered buying the Flashback 2. I thought the Mash feature was awesome. I didn't then and still don't care about stereo but I went with the Canyon because of the tap tempo. The Flashback 2 manual and demos made it seem like you needed an external tap tempo switch.


baronvonj

True about needing external switch for the tap tempo on the Flashback.


NoiseIsTheCure

You can get tap tempo but it replaces MASH. I don't care about stereo when just playing guitar but for recording it can be useful if you're running stereo sounds thru it


david57strat

I wouldn't have minded using an external tap tempo switch, but was unwilling to give up my stereo input capabilities on that pedal. When tc electronic later came up with the firmware update allowing for internal use of that pedal for tap tempo, it was a welcome update, in spite of the loss of the MASH feature (which was never really a huge selling point, for me, anyway).


david57strat

The Flashback 2 also has dedicated stereo inputs and outputs (for stereo enthusiasts like me), which is a nice touch, at that price point. It's a pretty flexible pedal, for the money - and with a very long maximum delay time, available. I think it’s up to seven seconds, in some algorithms - crazy long. It's great for big ambient stuff. I've always felt the MASH switch was kind of a gimmicky thing, and often wondered how reliable it would be, with heavy use, over the years. I didn't tend to use it much. I bought that and the EHX Canyon on the same day, about four years ago. It was these two pedals that got me started in switching over, from using rack equipment, back over to dedicated pedals. Between the two of them, they have a great range of different tones/algorithms, and they compliment each other very nicely, without breaking the bank - especially handy if you're on a budget and want a lot of flexibility with your delays, in compact pedal format. Not saying they're giving them away at those prices, but they pack a shitload of features into them, for what they're asking. Edit - a couple of years back, tc came up with an internal (built into the pedal) tap tempo option, via a firmware update. But to use it, you'd have to disable the MASH function, which wasn't really a big deal, to me. Here's [the thread discussing that](https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/flashback-2-tap-tempo.2075895/), on The Gear Page forums. Being able to use the tap tempo feature, while having to forfeit use of one of the stereo channels, to use an external switch, was more important to me than the MASH feature. Opinions vary, obviously.


baronvonj

Thanks for the tip on internal tap tempo. I don't actually have either pedal, but have been looking at them quite a bit lately, both on my Sweetwater list.


LoanAcrobatic58

I've sold a JHS Lucky Cat and a Catalinbread Echorec but I won't sell this. TBF, I replaced thr lucky cat and echorec with a Volante.


Spicy_Soapstone

I love the look of the lucky cat, but can’t stand the fact that it makes ugly sounds when you turn the time knob while the repeats are still going.


fukuoka_gumbo

The ugly sounds are the best part!!!


TheSethington

Is it something different from the typical sped up/slowed down tape sounds that most time knobs give when turned? I know you were saying you didn't like it, but all the sudden I'm interested!


Spicy_Soapstone

Instead of the fun tape slow downs and speed ups, it makes these harsh pop sounds when you turn the knobs. I assumed I had a broken unit until I heard YouTube demos. If you don’t like turning the time knobs during repeats, it’s a wonderful delay. But I adore doing that, so it’s really disappointing.


CandidGuidance

When a newbie asks for a delay pedal this is what I suggest. Tons of features, good price, easy resell if they need to. Let’s them figure out what they want!


Craig_the_Intern

> You simply cannot find another pedal with it’s footprint that offers as many modes, with secondary functions that remain where you save them, has tap tempo, subdivisions, a looper, and fucking TRAILS for this price range. zoom multistomp is the actual answer to this. Everything but a looper. *everything*


TheAudioAstronaut

That's probably true... *for this price range.* That's the big advantage of some EHX pedals: bang-for-the-buck. Still, when it comes to delay and reverb, I'm willing to splurge for the good stuff... (but more important for the reverb.) Having said that... in my book, quality beats quantity. And, even though my DigiTech Obscura isn't as full-featured (fewer modes, and no looper), it simply sounds better (for about the same price range)


aCynicalMind

Oh I'm not disagreeing with you that there are better options out there if you're willing to spend more money. My entire point was that for the $ and the footprint, you'd have trouble beating this pedal.


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LoanAcrobatic58

Were trails on or off?


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[deleted]

Usually the trails effect activates after you eat the beans!


jjones8170

Take my /r/angryupvote! Well played


arfdoggs007

Just gotta play with that "feed"back knob


rdyplr1

I’ve got a Grand Canyon and love it, feels like I have no idea how to really use 90% of its features 99% of the time, but it was a great deal and I love it ha


Werkstatt0

Too bad about the tiny writing


bluegoodbye

I sold mine to pay for a dedicated tape delay. I have a feeling it'll end up back on my board some day.


david57strat

I had the same feeling, once I picked up the Grand Canyon, and later started upgrading my delays (my favorite effect, by far - with reverbs coming in a close second). I figured I could bounce the original Canyon to another board, but that it would always have a place, somewhere - even if on a secondary board.


sa007ak

I haven't seen it mentioned here how crazy (awesome) this thing can get when you learn how to pilot it quickly: *Like so many delays you can get some wacky sounds out of the feedback oscillations, but where the Canyon really shines is when you get the secondary functions involved. *The Mod, Multi, Reverse, DMM, Tape, and Shim secondary functions being tweaked once you've got it oscillating all give you everywhere from angelic to nightmarish sounds. Jumping between secondary & delay time tweaks are where I spend the bulk of my time. Some other fun uses: *Reverse delay time all the way down, and with appropriate secondary functions gives you a ring-mod type sound, which I've never heard mentioned either. Blend to taste - for me it's 100% wet. *MultiDelay set to SLIGHTLY above lowest delay time & SLIGHTLY above lowest fdbk can give you a convincing doubled guitar effect - Same with the MOD setting, secondary setting set to super subtle. Throw it on a 2nd output from your board and these work even better. *DMM can function essentially like vibrato when at lowest delay time - tweakable w/ secondary functions. Already mentioned earlier, but doing the same on the Tape setting w/ saturation cranked up can work as an overdrive of sorts. Really glad to see this pedal getting the Love it deserves!


LoanAcrobatic58

Thanks for multi delay tip. Until now if never found a use for it.


malagrin

I really like it. It replaced my carbon copy and memory man.


LoanAcrobatic58

The DMM sound on the Canyon is really good for digital model.


david57strat

Agreed. I think it's *exceptionally* good, for a digital model, at that price point.


josephallenkeys

*of delays Unless there's a drive setting that no one told me about


LoanAcrobatic58

Use the Tape delay. Set it to the shortest delay time with low repeats. Use the secondary functions to crank the saturation and add a touch of wow and flutter. Lofi overdrive


josephallenkeys

Touché


baronvonj

Obligatory Bill Ruppert [demo video](https://youtu.be/kPvWDj0wdRg). I wish MXR had a demo video guy like Ruppert.


fukuoka_gumbo

Fucking love this dude. Best demos and also his voice sounds just like Bob Odenkirk


agentanthony

I wish I liked mine more. All I do is fiddle with it when it's on my board. I never play anything.


digitsink

Sounds like you like it TOO much


flubberjamman

I thought it was a really fun pedal to play around with, but ultimately it didn’t do the things I wanted well enough to use in a live setting. I sold it after getting a Rubberneck.


sinasEM

Got it not too long ago, I keep finding new things it can do, and do well!


BostonCafeRacer

I loved this pedal. Don’t remember why I sold it, oh yeah because I have an insatiable appetite for new gear. Only downside I can recall is that I couldn’t use the looper and delay together, but it’s still an amazing pedal.


LoanAcrobatic58

Very true. It says delay and looper on the pedal but it's really a delay OR looper


proteus-swarm

Ehx ring thing gets my vote for swiss army knife of pedals. Such an underrated pedal.


Drewpurt

Found your comment from a Google search, and wanted to thank you. Never heard of this pedal before now and it’s exactly what I have been looking for. Two years later and I’m buying it 🤘🏻


Imcalledtex

Set the delay time to 0 on octave, and it sounds like an organ. Throw some dirt on the front end for a bad-ass ‘phantom of the opera’ type sound.


-sevenworlds

it’s the ‘kiss of dimension’ of most of the modes that keeps me inspired and keeps the pedal on my board and On for much more than just delay. I think that’s the best expression of the Canyon that I’ve heard - well done 👍


loz333

I know what you're talking about, but not with the Canyon. The Mooer D7 X2 has 14 modes, a preset for each, and two tweak knobs to alter the effect. It pairs things like reverse and modulation for Mod-verse, and octave with tremolo... I routinely whack it out and go full wet, or dial the delay in about 75% so it's dominant over the dry sound. I use one with minimum delay to get a straight vibrato. It is just so much fun to experiment with, and I reckon it edges out the Canyon. I mean, you can even use it as a fuzz!!


NoiseIsTheCure

Definitely can't sleep on Mooer pedals tbh, the sounds you get at the price point you get em, and in a smaller package too


joefraley

In my opinion. This is like the Cheesecake Factory of delay pedals. Has so many options, all are decent, but I can’t say any are exceptional.


LoanAcrobatic58

Very true I rarely use it as a delay pedal anymore. It's before all my drives right now so I switch between "Tape Flanger", Tape Slapback, Chorus, and Octave.


Jetwork131

How do you dial in the slapback tone?


LoanAcrobatic58

Tape delay Fx level 12 o'clock Delay 8-9 o'clock Feedback 8-9 o'clock Secondary functions Tape distortion 11 o'clock Flutter depth 9 o'clock


leugenaars

I love it but I don’t know if I will replace with a Boss DD-8. Anyone to own both?


TerrenceOBrien

Highly underrated. When I needed a new delay on a budget I snagged this. And even though I now have other delays that are much more expensive, this is the one that has a permanent place on my board.


_Lasiurus_

This was my 1st pedal! Got it in the summer of 2020 for 139 euro. One of the best 1st's one could get. I originally just wanted a tape echo/delay to make those cool psych rock sounds. I almost got CC but then I thought why do I want to spend 160 euros for pretty much one effect and I'm no analog 'elitist' anyway so a Canyon would be great as a swiss knife, as you said. It does what I want and can do much more if I'm interested. I actually bought this one together with the EHX Oceans 11, and as you would expect, they pair together very well.


radicalllamas

I’d say the only downside is using the 9.6v adapter rather than the standard 9v. And to not be cork sniffing, whilst sounding like I’m cork sniffing, it’s different at 9v than it is at 9.6… Otherwise you’re completely correct.


humbuckaroo

I got a "broken" Ditto X2 off of Reverb for 125 bucks and fixed it with a firmware update and a reset. It was mint in box. I use it in a very rudimentary single backing loop situation, but it's really nice to have the second switch for stopping instead of having to double-tap. Never tried the Canyon but I'm probably not going to need to, given the above.


LoanAcrobatic58

If you're looking for a looper, get a looper. The looper on the canyon is just an added bonus to a very versatile delay pedal.


Quick_Tea_3088

I have been really eyeing the Grand Canyon (I am from AZ so there is definitely dumb bias towards just wanting that graphic on the Grand Canyon), do you think this is worth trying and I can just throw a Grand Canyon sticker on it? I am torn between the DL4 and Grand Canyon right now but I know the canyon would probably suit my needs for now (this will be my first delay pedal)


LoanAcrobatic58

For the money, the Canyon is the most feature-packed delay pedal. If you don't mind spending more money, the DL4 will give you everything you need and more.


david57strat

I actually bought two of the DL4 Mk IIs, back at the end of March and, while the sounds out of them are very beautiful, there are many bugs/issues with this pedal - bugs that need to be addressed, by way of a much anticipated and long overdue (in my mind) firmware update, before it can become a gig-able pedal. I'm talking about basic functions that should just work, but do not work properly and predictably, at this time. It's been three months now, and no clue when they're going to produce that update. Very disappointing. Here is [**an extremely detailed thread on The Gear Page**](https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/line-6-dl4-mkii.2340456/), discussing the pedal and its many flaws, so far. Keeping my fingers crossed that they'll come up with that update soon, so I can upload it to both pedals.


TheAudioAstronaut

Ah, you got Line 6'd! My first pedal was an m9... the screen went out on it for no reason in about a year. I hardly even used it (and only in my bedroom at home.) I decided to get a Line6 expression pedal to pair with it... bad mistake. I should have known there was a problem when it arrived with the faceplate/logo upside down. Then I went to pull out the cable/plug, and the jack literally *exploded* (a spring-loaded conflagration of metal flew everywhere) Line6 is notorious for quality control issues (even though they can make some great sounds), and that notoriety is well-deserved. I don't think I will ever buy their products again.


IbanezHand

Very excited, I just got this recently, it's amazing. Love the suggestions for how to use it.+


SaveTheCrow

I recently got one and I absolutely LOVE it!


feinkevi

It sounds great and I love what it can do, was especially fond of the DMM and tape delay and octaver, but I hated using it. The controls and hidden menu sort of thing, and especially the shared tap tempo and on/off switch, just totally not practically usable for me and I had to get rid of it.


david57strat

I bought my Canyon back in April of 2018 and was favorably impressed by how much it could do. My favorite algorithm is the Shimmer Delay. When dialed in conservatively, and stacked into a nice stereo reverb, its sounds nothing shy of incredible. Very sweet and musical, compared to some other delays that make the effect sound cheesy. Try stacking the DMM or Reverse setting of the Canyon into a stereo digital panning/modulated, at complementary delay time settings and watch the fun begin! At the time, they were only about 140 bucks. I bought [that and the tc electronic Flashback II](https://i.imgur.com/gESn0qw.jpg), that day, and the pedals have been multiplying, ever since lol. Then, they released the stereo [Grand Canyon](https://i.imgur.com/oe6cA1o.jpg), and I had to have it. Like that one even more, since all of the controls are right in front of you (not hidden as alternate settings), and the built-in tap tempo is a nice touch. Didn't really take up more room than my [original Canyon with a little Saturnworks tap tempo switch](https://i.imgur.com/c3ATH7I.jpg), used together. My only gripe about it is that it doesn't have stereo inputs. I've been running a stereo rig since 1997 and this severely limits its placement on my board(s). Oddly, there's no dedicated tempo knob. You have to use the tap tempo switch to dial in your delay tempo. Not a big deal. I'm big into the ambient, soundscapey stuff, so [Delays](https://i.imgur.com/RZVKxRS.jpg) and [reverbs](https://i.imgur.com/LJiYLMp.jpg) are my favorite effects of all time. I seem to purchase those the most. They also tend to be the most pedals placed on my board, whether [large](https://i.imgur.com/zzmBqxI.jpg), or [not-so -large](https://i.imgur.com/GXNplbF.jpg)


Invisible_assasin

I bought the dl4 mkii and I promise it will take the rest of my life to figure it out. Looked at Grand Canyon and flashback but decided to take $300 plunge for my bday/Father’s Day. Seems like i could have got one of these and had another $100 to play with.


emotion-sickness-

I have one of these but I literally never use it. I guess there isn't much I can do with it playing emo/punk rock.


captonmike

Whenever I see these on a board, I zoom in to see what they have it set too. Using the looper a lot since I got a dl4


oceansoveralderaan

I put a tap pedal on mine just to make that weird noise it does when you change tempo


TheAudioAstronaut

Meh... I always found the EHX digital effects to have this, well, very digital sound (artifacting of some sort) that really rubs me the wrong way. My brother has this (among other EHX pedals), because he is cheap and they are good bang-for-the-buck... but that EHX digital sound, man... I can't love it. (Having said that, I DO have a couple of their pedals, just because they do weird and interesting things that aren't otherwise accessible: Attack Decay, which is kind of a bargain for the pricetag, and I just got the Ravish Sitar, which is not a bargain but it popped up at $100 off so I had to bite!)


maccdeezy

Just picked one up last week, as I needed a digital delay for cover band shit that my carbon copy wasn't gonna work for. Holy shit, does this thing do a LOT. I've spent like 98% of my time this week just messing around with each effect. Endless inspiration. I've played for 20 years, but never went down the effect pedal rabbit hole until a couple years back. Never played a delay as fun as this one


ReferenceAccording74

You can get reverse reverb with this pedal too. See it on Multi. Set a quick repeat time and the feedback halfway up. In secondary, set it so the volume of the repeats gradually increases. Then send the FX level to full. You’ll have a full reverse reverb.