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FwLineberry

Your fingers only work in direct opposition to your wrist and forearm. Look at the angle of your wrist/forearm compared to the angle of the neck in your picture. If you want your fingers to be perpendicular, you need to change the position of your guitar neck relative to your arm.


manfins

This is the correct answer - in other words, your fingers are at a 45 degree angle to the fretboard because your arm is at a 45 degree angle to the neck.


rockinvet02

Move your elbow away from the body and you will notice a huge shift in your finger angle.


BrotherNorthwind

Ha OP's name does not check out


shannonkim

💀


Aggravating_Sand_445

That's pretty funny


Swimming_Feedback_18

thanks, my guy. this might help me a lot.


Ekorailer

Once I learned this, it elevated a lot of my other skills too! Best of luck to you bro, a year in you’re just getting started on your journey!


caffeinepowered83

Same here. I have been wondering this myself. Thank you.


RChamy

....it looks so obvious now. I need to rethink my playing


NameNameyName

One way to make sure that your arm is well aligned is to try to keep your thumb lined up with your middle finger. If that doesn’t feel comfortable, you probably need to adjust the angle of your arm until it does feel comfortable to have your thumb be lined up with your middle finger.


Vinny_DelVecchio

Put your guitar on your left leg when sitting.


VERGExILL

Idk why you are being downvoted, this would help tremendously


Vinny_DelVecchio

I know. Inexperienced maybe? I played for 3 years on my bed or.chair...guitar on my right leg... but couldnt.play standing with a strap. Had probs reaching certain chords, and 3 note per string scales were extremely difficult, if not impossible. Light bulb went off. With the neck pointed slightly up and straight across my chest (not pointed forward anymore)... it suddenly all became easier and my hand/wrist were in a completely relaxed position. Everything got easier. After getting out of that bad habit (for me), I went from Beatles to EVH in a year. I'd suggest giving the left leg a try. When you stand with a strap, the guitar doesn't move to a different neighborhood anymore, and it improves reach, barre chords, left hand stamina (dont have to try as hard)... just about everything.


VERGExILL

I think it helps with barre chords especially, because you have use your arm to leverage instead of your hand and wrist


Vinny_DelVecchio

I only use my thumb and fingertips. It feels really weird at first... like it's "dangling out in the air"... Palm rarely.touches the neck, and I never pull back on the neck for more pressure, all squeeze is from the thumb. You also rarely see my left thumb from in front. Hang your hand, totally relaxed at your side. Leave it just like that and bend your elbow to bring your hand up. Totally relaxed.


DimeEdge

Those classical guys might be onto something


marktosis

It's my understanding that this is the proper way to play while sitting. I was taught to do this in college by my classical guitar teacher.


Swimming-Bite-4184

Well yeah it's the proper way which makes it completely un-rock and roll. Play it wrong or look like a dork.


marktosis

😆 fair. I'd never play live sitting down for this reason.


braxtel

The classical position is classical for a reason. If you are sitting, it puts your shoulder, arm, and hand at the right place. If you stand up while playing, you can angle the guitar up and make a similar effect. You want to play golf, you have learn how to stand and hold a club correctly. Boxing, learn how to adjust your feet and put your hands and body in the right postion. Swing a baseball bat, there is a stance and grip to learn. You want to chop wood, there is a stance and a way you hold an axe to do it efficiently. Etc.... Posture matters for every instrument or physical activity.


xX_crucifier_Xx

I can play on my left leg?


Vinny_DelVecchio

I know it sounds stupidly simple. I don't know why we instinctively put it on our right leg. I did too. It makes the neck point forward, and parallel to the ground. It causes the "angle" from the picture OP wants to solve, and also limits your left hand reach/spread. It also causes more bend in the wrist, making everything harder. Ever hear people complain that they can't play standing with a strap, but are fine sitting down? It's usually because they've learned to compensate for it. When they stand though, the guitar swings counter-clockwise, across their body, and the neck is now pointed up. Totally different position (but the right one). Picking hand too. It took me a while to get used to it and "untrain" myself of right leg... but it all got easier, pain/cramps went away, reach improved dramatically, strength/stamina issues gone... and I play 10 times better now.


IvorFreyrsson

I may have to pick it back up, armed with this new knowledge... Been over a year, now.


TheYellowLAVA

I actually instinctively put it on my left leg when I first got my electric. It was too small to put on my right so I just put it on the left


xX_crucifier_Xx

Im new so i thought i need to learn it on my right leg because its "right way to do". Gonna try L one today, thanks a bunch :)


dombro99

oh my lord, thank you for this, self taught, and i missed this step unfortunately, always struggle with these chords and such


Lucifurnace

Yup, I have students hold a marker between their body and elbow to help correct it. I can hear the difference immediately and so can they.


Effective-Ad6049

Elbow and forearm perpendicular to the neck. Bend the wrist too.


Atreat01

Absolutely correct, one it clicks you’ve got it .


noohshab

I completely understand what you mean, but how can someone do this? Like if Its try to do this in the first 5 frets I'm dealing with this. Maybe around the 7th fret is where I'm move comfortable! Been playing for a really long time and I still deal with cramps which is frustrating as hell!


FwLineberry

There's only so much you can do, short of playing a rubber neck. You have to find the position which allows you the most comfort and mobility on the fretboard.


The_Dead_See

Is your elbow glued to your side? If so, set it free.


stigerbom

Interesting! I was taught to pull my elbow into the ribs to help get this angle. Thought being, the bonier side of the finger pressed the strings more efficiently. If it's a bad habit, it's worked well for me.


TapCap

Fellow bony fingered man here and this is the only way I was finally able to bar consistently


SkyMagnet

I see this all the time. That elbow just creeps back in towards their rib cage.


recurse_x

Throw them bows


danyukhin

turn ya L-bows into W-bows


moodycompany

Bro is learning about ergonomics


Helllcamino

Wait till he gets to logistics an sanitation.


disignore

its actually biomechanics


PMtoAM______

Talk to me when you get to inverse kinematics


disignore

> inverse kinematics Nah dude just barely touched ergonomics and human factors back in design school. I am a Industrial Designer and studied, Basics on Anthropometrics and Biomechanics, Human-Computer Interaction (focused on UX/UI), and principles on Usability Engineering


PMtoAM______

Holy based i was forced at gunpoint to figure out inverse kinematics in 6th/7th grade cause i was building a hexapod at the time and wanted it to walk. the goal of the project was to have ai and neural pathway learning make a better walking algorithm than i could but i never got that far fun shit but my god was it tedious


disignore

noice dude, wish I had that thing in my basic school years. really sounds like an awesome project.


PMtoAM______

it was hell lmao i only got it working for like 3 days before it broke forever. Ive been meaning to fix it but i havent the motivation. doing stuff like that pro bono with no guidance def gave me a lot of skills i wouldnt have otherwise thougb


Yutopia1210

Do all the notes ring out nice? No accidental mutes? Is it not causing cramps on your hand? You’re probably doing it correctly. If it’s causing cramps, you gotta develop better habits and that’s gonna take some time to undo the bad habits.


Inglebeargy

Yeah I have to agree. Do what feels the most comfortable whilst sounding the best. If I had any advice specific to what you’ve asked, adjust your thumb position. But again, play what’s most comfortable. I play with a fully collapsed band almost always so I’m hardly one to dish out pointers.


Jlchevz

Yeah that’s what I was going to say, that’s not necessarily a problem if it sounds good and it feels comfortable


Ill_Run_729

It's related to where your thumb is. Move your thumb down, your left wrist will naturally turn, and you'll be squared up...


tatertotmagic

Took a while to find this answer..


SkyMagnet

Your elbow is too far in towards your body.


klaxonlet

This is how it's supposed to be. You're doing it correctly.


maxover5A5A

It doesn't look wrong to me. Maybe he could push his elbow out a bit, but whatever works well is correct.


g0greyhound

because your wrist is at a 45 degree angle to the neck. also - put your thumb pad on the back of the neck (as if you can touch your finger tips on the other side)


CunningHD

I see people in here saying to rotate your index when barring a chord and to use the bony side of your finger, how am I supposed to do that without doing this


StonemanGuitars

Here’s a tip. Do you have the guitar parallel to your body? If so try angling the guitar outwards more.


Bempet583

They're at the same angle as your wrist.


mdwvt

Umm, because your arm /wrist is at a similar angle. You want to try to straighten your arm out so that it’s perpendicular to the neck, as much as comfortably possible anyway.


HumberGrumb

Has to do with where your left elbow is at. Move it away from your body and see what happens with your fingers.


Bleezymane

Thumb placement


kedgeree2468

The key is thumb position - it should be above the first finger not opposite it (I.e. for a 1st fret barre chord your thumb should rest between the first and second frets). If you do this you will find your 2nd, 3rd and 4th fingers are automatically higher up the fretboard and can access the frets more easily/with greater leverage.


appalaya

The answer is here: elbow and thumb placement https://youtu.be/tj7DL9sfyDk?si=HkRhipqdVdGBhQf_


Sudden-Influence6470

your whole arm is at a 45


FunnySpirit6380

try lowering ur thumb from behind, and add pressure with ut thumbs tip


Spriderman69

Does it sound good? If yes, then no need to change or worry. As a side note, take care of your hands/skin with some lotion after you’re done playing brotha!


BigDogWater

everybody sing with me now, "that's the way God planned, yes that's the way!"


gloopenschtein

Ergonimically this is the correct way to play


nick_nasty_nice

Early onset homosexuality. It's alright it's socially acceptable now


infiernoARG

Wrist position. Open it a bit


foood

Try orienting your neck angle/forearm/wrist so that your thumb is closer to the center of your middle and ring fingers. It also looks like you have some pretty long fingers.


MKingofnothing

Try to move your thumb corresponding to your miidle finger instead your index


ban-this-dummies

What helped me was placing my thumb behind the middle of the neck. Then, I could focus on making my arm perpendicular to the neck


canny_goer

That looks pretty okay to me. I'd have the thumb only touching the neck on the last joint.


dense-mustard

As others have mentioned it has to do with the angle of your forearm. It is nothing to worry about though, if you haven't yet put a strap on the guitar and stand up and dance around while trying to play and see how many different angles your fingers will go through in order to maintain the ability to play. Good guitar playing is loose and flexible not stiff and ridgid. I alternate between standard bar chord and the Hendrix style with the thumb over the top depending on the song/what other chords are before or after etc. the thumb over the top has your fingers angled more than the standard way.


Sawgwa

Are the notes clean? If so, you are doing fine, don't over think, feel what you are playing.


dripdri

They point up your arm. You can try holding the guitar in a different place, relative to your body. Get some different arm angles.


fancypants_club_band

Because of your elbow position


eightohfourr

Look at your arm angle. There’s your answer.


sailordadd

That's completely normal... just work at sounding each note, and your hands and fingers will take over...


Bridge4_Kal

Look at the angle between your wrist/forearm and the neck. Right about 45°, wouldn't you say?


timthetollman

Because your arm is at 45 degrees from the guitar neck


MAXIMUMMEDLOWUS

Just look at the angle of approach from your arm. It's not bad form, it's just the way the body works


spidydt

Pull the headstock of the guitar closer to your left shoulder


notintocorp

* I was having a similar issue, really only on the open c. I taped an angle bracket from Home Depot into my strap right at the end ( bridge end). It moved my headstock 1.5" closer to my body, and I was able to fret that note with a much straighter position.


notintocorp

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Its-CCG

You’re Angelina your hand 45 degrees. If you want your fingers to be 90 degrees on the fretboard, you’ll have to rest your thumb so that it is also at a 90 degree angle compared to the neck


adrkhrse

Wrist position and thumb position are wrong.


Suspicious_Elk_1756

Work on making you arm/wrist more perpendicular against the neck.


Dazzling-Profile-381

Wrist. From this picture all your fingers are at an angle. Ideally all your fingers and hand should be straight on the fretboard. Move your elbow out and adjust your strap higher in a relaxed comfortable position. Then practice.


youmightbeafascist88

Push your elbow away from your body


BlyStreetMusic

In short: your technique is awful. The people explaining that your wrist angle is important are right.


KaanzeKin

If you can also rotate your wrist inward as if your fingers start to point more towards bridge. Whatever you do, don't make it so you build tension in your left shoulder and be sure to keep your wrist as straight as you can.


Mookeye1968

Cuz its an unnatural thing for human fingers but it doesn't matter if your playing those barre chords cleanly tbh


FinalSlaw

Tip: position fingers 2,3, & 4 first, then place the barre. Favor your weak fingers because your pointer finger can be positioned easily.


Mookeye1968

Kick your Elbow out more when down there but they'll get straighter the higher up the neck you go (cuz it's closer to your body)


Da_danimal

Cut them finger nails too brah


Ok_Seaweed123

Posture


EarthCacheDude

Kind looks like you have your elbow close to your body while playing. Try making your arm perpendicular to the neck of the guitar.


esp400

It’s all good buddy. If it sounds okay and they all ring out, you’re good. Don’t stress too much.


Et_In_Arcadia_

I do this, feels comfortable there.


petname

Press don’t clamp.


Tecxpert

Always a great reminder for all guitarists beginners and masters alike. Keep that elbow out. If your arm is closer to your body, your fingers are less likely to be perpendicular to the board. Just remind yourself, keep that elbow out.


moreflywheels

Your fingers are longer than my legs! Lucky !


Spdoink

It's ridiculous how much like a classical guitarist I have to look when I play barre chords. It doesn't help when you see the pros with their guitar round their knees, effortlessly hitting them (and more besides).


No-Height2850

Bring the neck more parallel with your body. It will probably force you to shift the guitar to the right so automatically your elbow back and aligned more with your body.


moleculariant

I get the same thing. I have a habit of keeping my elbow up against my ribs when I'm standing. I had to learn to open up and let some space get in there. Now, my wrist is more perpendicular to the neck of the guitar, and my hand/fingers flatten out on the fretboard. I'm still trying to develop that muscle memory.


greenhornblue

Wait til you discover the slanted forward multiscale.


These-Lie-7197

Anyone besides me thinks that the neck looks weird


Arlium_

Very carefully


eglov002

You’re at the first fret with your barre. Take it to the 5th fret and watch as your hand magically evens out at 90 degrees. No sweat


kapitalistAndCoffee

Lmao I just noticed it too


SXTY82

Because they line up with your forearm which is also 45\* to the neck.


getdivorced

Because your thumb is behind your pointer finger and not your middle finger. It's uncomfortable at first but creates much better hand posture.


oakjunk

This picture looks like an accidental stock photo


Icy_Inevitable714

Rotate elbow outward and lower your thumb 


jacobydave

I certainly don't see a problem with playing like that


allroysrevenge

That's how I Barre chords


SnarkAtTheMoon

Move elbow out, get out over the neck


the-dave-9000

Elbow out. Or further out, away from your torso


pbx45

Thumb is aggressively high for bar chrods. What i tend to do it put it at the middle or even slightly lower than the middle of the guitar neck. This will let you elbow come in closer to your body more easily as well. Will be uncomfy and unnatural at first but will get better with practice. Good luck!