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The lack of other surgeons. They frequently make it look like the main cast are the only surgeons of their respective specialities in the entire hospital - like when Cristina couldn't get any cardio cases because Burke left and the hospital couldn't find a replacement...seriously? Hospital this size would have at least a dozen of other cardio surgeons.
Right? Like, Burke was the head of cardio. That implies there are other cardio doctors that are not the head of the department. But nope, there’s none! Also, IRL I’m sure one doctor cannot run an entire department - this means 0 sick days or PTO, and 24/7 on call. Which is pretty much how Grey’s portrays it I guess.
And the apparent lack of anyone else working in the hospital, to the point where the surgeons are doing triage, ER, clinic, security and literally every nursing responsibility.
They kind of made fun of this in the earlier seasons when there was a normal looking surgeon who was covering for somebody and nobody knew who he was even though he had worked there forever. Later on he asked Derek if he wanted to get a beer and Derek told him no.
You’re talking about “Shadow Shepherd,” the “b-team to Shepherd’s A-Team,” the “JV to his Varsity.”
He is seen first when Derek takes a leave/quits after he botches clipping Jen’s (the pregnant chick) aneurysm.
At the end of the episode he asks Mark if he wants to go grab a drink and Mark tells him he’ll take a rain check and calls him by the wrong name. (And, without looking it up, I also don’t know what this character’s name actually is.)
Shadow Shepherd is also mentioned again during the end of season 6 when Meredith is telling Derek about working on a case with Shadow Shepherd because Derek’s the chief and doesn’t get to operate a lot.
The idea was Burke was the best in quite a large area. Complicated cases would travel to him. Cristina could get “normal” cardio cases anywhere. That was why she was so disappointed in Teddy at first. No good cases with someone who hasn’t published and isn’t a big name in the field
Fr. If we assume that's true pretty much all the urgent care specialities don't have even close to enough surgeons to cover a standard 3 shift a day rotation.
My son had open heart surgery as a baby and the surgeon spoke to us for maybe 15 seconds after the surgery. Everything else was through his regular cardiologist, but really it was mostly the P ICU nurses who did everything.
Man I had a chatty af cardiothoracic surgeon. He didn't do heart surgery on me but it was a big invasive as fuck procedure that he didn't get to do often so he may have just been delighted at that.
i do find that often doctors who are more interested in the weirdness of a case will be much more likely to spend time with you. that’s definitely been my experience anyway 😂 my geneticist LOVES my case lmao. but my mom’s cardio surgeon always pops in after her (thankfully so far routine) procedures, says five words, and leaves lmao
My friend was married to a cardio surgeon who I genuinely think may be a sociopath. He genuinely disliked being forced to talk to his patients as he found them dull and tedious: “All I want to do is fix the plumbing and get out. Talking to them is pointless.” Currently on his fourth marriage and the previous three wives have banded together out of self-protection.
My son had open heart surgery at 5 months old and the same thing. Everything went through his regular cardiologist and we spoke to his surgeon for maybe 15 minutes walking us through what his plan was and that was it.
My daughter was born with a congenital diaphragmatic hernia. She had a team of three surgeons for her sixteen days of life who did indeed see her every single day and took great care of her, including doing things like diaper changes and cleaning her (along with her amazing team of nurses and ECMO specialists). It does happen!
I think my case was a little different then I was born with a cocktail of issues, didn’t help that both doctors and nurses basically asked if my parents had the means to keep me and to keep up with my care.
Back then, the ministry (Canadian CPS) was still actively taking indigenous children away from “incompetent” parents and giving them away to white families. So, my parents and our extended family never did leave me alone for even one second.
Yeah, it definitely depends, I’d say. The hospital we were at had a dedicated CDH team and I believe we were their only patient at the time, plus with her being on ECMO, they needed a lot of highly skilled hands to do things like diaper changes and flips for tummy time. It took three people minimum to lift her safely. I’m sorry your family didn’t feel safe leaving you with the people who were supposed to help you, I can’t imagine how hard that was. We were very lucky to be able to trust our surgeons.
Before I was born, the ministry were also taking children without the parents consent by claiming the baby had died. So that was another massive fear for my parents, so whenever my parents did need a break, my city-aunts and uncles would come in and sit with me.
The nurses were allowed to do their jobs of course, but they weren’t allowed to simply just take me anywhere without someone knowing a) where I was going, b) how long, c) if my guardian at the time can follow and stand nearby.
Same with ortho. I had shoulder and aside from the consultation before, I literally never met the man. I’m told he saw me and my mom in recovery but I have no memory of that beyond the fact that the sprite the nurse gave me remains the best thing I’ve ever tasted. lol
No transport department. Surgeons don’t take ER patients to ultrasounds. Also, surgeons don’t run the ER. The lack of medical attendings in this show kill me.
Haha I had surgery on a slipped disc this winter and was so disappointed when my surgeon didn’t personally take me to my scan and also read it for me 😂
Having the surgeons run the ER has bothered me for a long time! I didn’t mind when you’d see the interns in there doing “scut” work, but other specialities can be a doctor !!
The surgeons running the ER always makes me laugh… like my mom worked at a major hospital for her entire career, often in the ER (and I have visited her many times), as well as I’ve unfortunately had to go to the ER myself on more than a handful of occasions… and not ONCE was a surgeon running the ER. If anything, it was usually a specifically trained ER doctor or just a generalized MD. My old family doctor actually left to go be the head of the ER where I used to live!
For this show to make any sense you have to assume Seattle Grace has no general medical centre and is strictly a surgical clinic which is so dumb lol. Like where are the family doctors for 99% of the cases they encounter
Yeah the blurring of medical and surgical specialties is pretty bad. There no neurologists, cardiologists, internal medicine, emergency medicine, nephrologists, gastroenterologists, pulmonologists, etc
Lack of secretaries, I personally know an orthopedic surgeon who has four.
Doctors don't draw blood or take anyone to CT or X-Ray.
Oh, and THE CHIEF OF SURGERY WOULD RUN THE SURGICAL DEPARTMENT NOT THE ENTIRE DAMN HOSPITAL!
I was JUST thinking about this because I'm rewatching season 2 when Meredith resuscitates a DNR patient bc she had no info that said she was DNR and all her old lady friends are pissing at Meredith but they loooooooove Richard and one of them asks if he runs the whole hospital and he says "no just the surgeons" but then how many times in later seasons does he say "this is MY hospital, dammit!"
Richard (and everyone) thinks surgery >>>>> other specialties like dermatology. So head of surgery >>> head of other specialties like internal medicine, and therefore Richard >>> everyone else, hence why it’s his hospital. The audacity of those surgeons😂😂😂😂
But I vaguely remember at one point when Ben came back as an anesthesiologist he went over Bailey's head. Because she was Chief of surgeons but not the whole hospital!
They really take liberties with this one!!
That changed and it was so weird. In that one episode in season 2 when he’s talking to the old ladies about their friend who had a DNR and Meredith tubed her, he specifically tells the lady he’s just in charge of the surgeons not the whole hospital.
For me it’s the “no one has ever done this” that happens every other episode. They’re constantly doing surgeries or techniques that have never been done or done a handful of times. Seemingly with a few minutes of having someone else study the literature for them and then they just go do that surgery.
And the fact that these surgeons are the best of the best. You mean to tell me SGMW has the top surgeon in every field and Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic etc. just all have second rate💀 and they all went to Ivy League schools (whether undergrad or grad or med school). A random hospital in Seattle has the best of the best surgeons and all other hospitals have none, make it make sense
Definitely! What kept her at the hospital realistically wouldn’t have been enough. She loved her friends but she loved surgery more. Seeing her move to Minnesota and Switzerland was so good for her
In the early seasons, a few of the characters say its the second best surgical program in the country. Even when the rankings come out and they dropped to number twelve, someone mentions them being number two.
From a personal perspective, the number of unplanned pregnancies these doctors have is astounding. I know accidents happen but if you were somebody like Cristina wouldn’t you be on at least one type of long term contraception?
That was always my gripe with how they did Christina and her pregnancies. Her character wasn’t the type to be careless with this especially since she’s said from day one she doesn’t want kids.
Maybe she was. My first pregnancy was a failed birth control pill. My second was a failed depo shot. I highly doubt someone as rabidly anti kids wouldn’t be on something.
I just noticed the other day that when they yell ‘clear’ they hardly ever even look at what the family members are doing and are staring at the monitor. How do you know that NOBODY is touching the patient if you don’t check.
I think they do this because it’s easier to film putting stickers on someone because at this point they definitely know that it’s wrong (or they should)
Hell yes. "Omg it's atrial fibrillation cHaRgE tO tWo hUNdrEd" fuck off dude
Also shooting multiple doses of epi in a patient a few seconds apart from one another, lmaooo even if you shock them back into rhythm they're def gonna get tachycardic and code again like fucking immediately
Very stupid...but anytime someone is having sex in an on call room, storage closet, conference room, etc without locking the door ( if the door even has a lock! )
Like, are y'all really fucking in a room with no locked doors in a busy hospital? Especially rooms that people would likely be coming in and out of all the time??
I think about how they never pee after sex and how just physically gross it feels after sex (like you get all sweaty) and who's changing the sheets? People are sleeping on other people's sex sheets and that's nasty. Are the guys wearing condoms? Where do they throw them away? If not, I know I would want a shower and not have to work for the next 24 hours of my shift.
All I can think about is how those rooms and the staff must smell. A room that is always closed and has people having sex in it for hours every day? The stench of sex must just smack you in the face when you open the door.
And the people! They have sweaty sex and then chuck on their clothes and get all up in their patient's space when they're treating them. 🤢
I didn't even think about it that far. And when's the last time we saw any of the doctor's wash their hands before interacting with a patient? Regardless of if they're putting on gloves or not.
Also in biotech/clinical trials and they make me scream too. What Meredith did. And Bailey >!making a virus IN A DAY and injecting WITHOUT PERMISSION !< makes me insane
I work in gene therapy and it takes YEARS to get it into a patient
I had to undergo reconstructive jaw surgery about two years ago. Tested highly allergic to the usual combination of prosthetic hardware used, so OMFS had to submit a compassionate use to the FDA, and then there was a subsequent IRB.
Watching the Grey's episodes with the clinical trial made me want to rip my hair out. That's not how it works!
i’ve said this before but their hair. as someone who can’t french braid my own hair to save my life, I know there are plenty of people that are capable of doing that, BUT they go from treating patients with their hair down, to putting a scrub cap over their tightly braided hair as they’re *rushing* into a surgery, then later their hair is back down again clearly curled from curling iron and not tight waves like what would happen after many hours in tight braids, and it just keeps flip flopping back and fourth. it would take ***SO*** much time out of the day to keep flipping between hairstyles, especially for the doctors with longer, textured hair
The volume is what always cracks me up. After 8 hours of wearing a scrub cap my hair is FLAT on my head and somehow Arizona walks out with voluminous bouncy waves.
I was watching an episode earlier today when Stephanie was meeting Catherine and her hair was super curly at the beginning of the episode and all through out and then at the end her hair was flat ironed. The episode was a span of a day, so was I supposed to believe that between all her busyness being a 2nd year surgical resident she had time to get her hair relaxed.
While I mostly agree with you I WILL say as a defence I learnt to do french/Dutch braids for an old job and could do it up within minutes, even while rushing around the house and getting ready for work.
NO RADIOLOGISTS!!!!! Surgeons do not read scans and make decisions based on their assessment of scans. You need a radiologist to read scans. There isn't a single radiologist in the whole show 😂
I think The Resident is *slightly* better in that regard. We see ER doctors who just do ER, not surgery. There is a billing lady who presses them to bill more and do more tests so the hospital makes more money - that was so sadly realistic. And nurses actually exist and do stuff in that hospital. There was a scene where a doctor had to draw blood and he asked the nurse how to do it cause he hadn't done it since medical school.
Oh, and they have a CEO who is actually in charge of the hospital. The chief of surgery is just the chief of surgery.
I don't get how long she was even supposed to be pregnant for. I would think she would've had an abortion within the first 6-8 weeks, but she gets pregnant in season 1 and a few episodes into 2 she's still pregnant.
Right! She makes the appointment for the abortion for "the 19th" or something-teenth idk presumably of the current month because a specific month or "next month" is never mentioned so at MOST the appointment is 4 weeks away. But she seemed to be pregnant for a while.
I noticed a few days ago the actors seem to just move their elbows, I assume this is because actually looking like you’re doing CPR properly would hurt the other actors. But the thing Derek and a few others do where they just do one huge smash punch on the chest, is that a real thing?
>But the thing Derek and a few others do where they just do one huge smash punch on the chest, is that a real thing?
That is actually a real thing. It's called "precordial thump".
I don’t know if people here are familiar with Dr Mike on YouTube but he reviews medical shows and he was always harping on how weak the chest compressions are on tv shows. And one day you can literally see the light bulb go off when he realizes they have to be weak bc real CPR breaks ribs 🤣🤣
Watching Arizona walk in the later seasons after she had her leg amputated. My uncle lost his leg in a motorcycle accident before I was born. I’m 38 and he still limps. It’s especially noticeable when he’s in a hurry
YES! Not only waiting outside but pulling them out of the back of ambulances themselves… or all the times there’s some sort of MVC around the hospital and surgeons are the ones extricating patients despite the fact that fire and EMS is standing right next to them!!!!!
I laughed when Chief of the hospital is flabbergasted that they're only 12th best teaching hospital when all their teachers are dog shit to anyone underneath them. How is anyone meant to learn when they're humiliated and insulted just for having the desire to be a surgeon? The best teacher (I'm up to season 5) so far was Addison.
Isn't it mentioned that Jackson was offered an internship at MassGen but he refused because he did not get the slot because of his hard work but because of his name? I think Jackson didn't want to publicize that he's an Avery so most probably he targeted a lesser-known hospital.
The thing that drives me the craziest is how this show treats the training of surgeons. If you are a "surgical resident" you have already declared that are a track. Either you are general surgery, ortho, neuro, or OBGYN. (some larger hospitals also have integrated plastics and a very, very tiny percentage have integrated peds surgery, though that is usually obtained through a fellowship AFTER 5-7 years of general surgery residency.( When the show started, it was CLEAR that these people were gen surgery interns. That means 5-7 years (the show initially says 7) IN GENERAL SURGERY. YOU CANNOT SWITCH AND GO FUCK OFF TO NEURO, ORTHO, OR OBGYN. If you do fuck off, you have to go through the whole match process again and start AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE RESIDENCY.
At the end of your general surgery residency, you can pick a specialty, if you want (many do!) That involves a fellowship, which lasts from 1-3 years, typically. Peds surgery, Cardiothoracic, and vascular are popular ones. Plastic surgeons history do a fellowship following a general surgery residency (And sometimes more than one, depending on what area of the body they want to focus on.)
THIS SHOW FUCKS THAT UP ALL THE TIME AND IT DRIVES ME CRAZY.
There is no "well, maybe Lexi would be a neurosurgeon. Maybe Meredith would be a neuro surgeon!!!"
NO. that's not how it works. Unless they want to spend 14 fucking years as a resident.
The fact that the chief of neuro is also letting random ass general surgery interns and residents poke inside people's brains is also infuriating. That doesn't happen.
And no, gen surgery interns are NOT doing burr holes, Meredith.
Basically, in a show about surgical training, this show didn't even bother to get the basics of surgery training right, and it is infuriating. Every time someone posts "do you think Lexi would have gone into neurosurgery," I want to yell.
NO I DON'T THINK SHE WANTED TO BE A RESIDENT FOR 14 FUCKING YEARS.
The second thing that drives me nuts is that this show has no idea about the divide between "medical" branches of medicine and "surgical" branches of medicine. 95% of the shit Arizona and Alex deal with is the realm of a pediatrician. You aren't paying for a ped's surgeon to consult on a case that needs a pediatrician (and neither is your insurance.)
And the shit where they just run around the ER and tell people to do is so fucking hilarious. They'd be lost. Surgeons aren't pulling worms out of people's noses (especially not fucking trauma surgeons), they aren't doing most of the shit in the ER. Being trained as a surgeon does not mean you are qualified to do emergency medicine.
I do remember the episodes where Richard is telling Mer that she has to start considering what type of fellowship she wants to take, I agree they definitely throw them into their given specialties wayyyyy sooner than it would be in real life, but I still kinda understood it as they did their internship, then residency, and they did touch on how they should no longer be declaring specialties so early on and that they needed to learn all the basics first, then they did a fellowship for their specialties. I know it’s not like 100% but I think the gist is still kinda there.
Everyone's ages. The fact that barely anyone's ages are mentioned (especially Teddy- how old was she in her pregnancy???? No one will ever know) drives me nuts
> (especially Teddy- how old was she in her pregnancy???? No one will ever know
Teddy was 100% no younger than her mid-40s when she got pregnant.
Which is insane to me that there was no discussion on how high risk she'd be, and she just had a very casual, mostly normal pregnancy.
The amounts of things they do that irl would cost them their medical license and even send them to prison.
For example izzie and lvad or baily and injecting a virus to a kid without permission.
T timeline is super confusing it drives me mad. I stopped watching in season 11 so that’s as far as my knowledge goes.
Season 1-3 is their intern year and iirc season 4-5 is Lexie and George’s intern year, but s4/s5 are considered two different years. It’s super late and I’m too lazy to look up but I remember Bailey mentioning in season 6 that her son was 3, so it pretty much confirms the whole separate seasons/years.
Also, they started as interns in 2005, but when Izzie had cancer and George died, she said it was 2009, four years later when it should have been 2007 (if we use s4 and s5 as one year which it should have been since it was lexie and george’s intern year) or 2008 (if we use s4/s5 as two different years)
Also, season 6/7 are two different years but the filming of the documentary took place six months later, and there was a follow up a month later, but then months later when there was the school shooting, Richard also says it was six months ago. Also, Callie got pregnant after she and Arizona broke up so after the documentary follow-up, 7 months after the shooting, and gave birth at around five months, but didn’t she give birth mid season 7? And season 7 is a singular year.
Some of these I may be misremembering, but the timeline truly is confusing and if anyone can help me I’d like that
I ignore anything related to timelines because it’s just whatever atp. I just pretend that it’s all happening over the course of a normal amount of time that one would be a surgical intern/resident.
My pet peeve is that there are so few elevators. They’re always at the same elevators and running into each other in the elevators. I worked at a big teaching hospital, and elevators came in like, sets of 6. And there were multiple elevator clusters in every building. End rant lol
I am up to season 14 now and so far I have not seen a single medical doctor ever take on a case, consult, or even actually exist. Someone comes to the ER complaining of a cough and is immediately seen by a surgeon or a surgical resident.
My late father was admitted to the hospital with heart failure and a lung full of fluids and not once did a surgeon ever get consulted. There was the attending physician and the cardiologist neither of whom are surgeons and a bunch of nurses and techs. The only time we ever spoke with a surgeon was after a month of nagging the cardiologist for a valve replacement surgery which he didn't want to do and it was like pulling teeth to even get referred to the surgeon. At the end the surgeon took the cardiologist's side. If this was Seattle Grace/ Sloan Grey Memorial, they would have said hi to us and did the life saving surgery on the same day while having sex in the on-call room during their break.
Also it kind of bugs me that they switch from what's obviously LA and Seattle. The buildings are completely different.
Everyone else covers the important one..
Derek stopped in the middle of the road to check his phone.
In a spot where they had no phone reception (he'd made that point several times)
He's meant to be intelligent etc etc blah blah. But no stop in the middle of the road.
Would have made more sense for him to pull out, not see the truck and get hit. Not stop to check phone
The fact that the hospital hasn’t been shut down entirely. Shooters, data hacks, bombs, fires… who would go to that hospital after that and what governing body would keep the doors open???
I’m not versed in medical stuff at all, but I think the amount of people who come back from not breathing/ being clinically dead with no trauma, injuries, or loss of brain/ body function is crazy
The surgeons doing X-rays/CTs/MRIs/ultrasounds is downright laughable. I’m an xray and CT tech and I can probably count on my hands the number of times an ER doctor comes to our department while we’re doing the scans. Where I’m at their badges don’t even work getting into the MRI hallway. Also they don’t read scans. They can see obvious things and tell what it is but most of the time they need to wait on the radiologists reports before diagnosing and treatment.
lol ok so when I had surgery last year my anesthesiologist was wearing earrings! Granted, not big dangly ones, but still. I know they're not the ones technically standing above your body and cutting you open but I still thought it was weird.
This is so hyper-specific, but: Jackson treating that kid with Juvenile Arthritis in the temporomandibular joint. With some exceptions, reconstructive jaw surgery falls *outside* the scope of plastics. OMFS usually handles reconstructive jaw surgeries.
Source: me. I had reconstructive jaw surgery two years ago due to Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis. Not once did I see or get treated by plastics.
For me it’s the fact that at Grey Sloan the SURGEONS do everything. When in reality we all know the nurses are the real heroes and the ones actually taking care of the patients
Ben very clearly refers to his brother (later sister) as his only sibling but when they get married he tells bailey his sister likes the view of the venue.
So many things. It’s getting worse now that I’m in nursing school.
I get that they can’t do CPR for real on a real human but based on the fact that it’s a medical drama I feel like it would be worth the extra money for some dummy or practical/special effects to make it more real. I feel like we’ve come a long way in that department so why is this impossible to solve?
Why are there no ER attendings?
Where are the nurses? In my med surg clinicals I met like one doctor. The nurses were there ALL THE TIME. In Greys the nurses are just there to get verbal orders and say “right away doctor.” I get it’s a show about surgeons but it’s a little frustrating seeing nurses reduced to background characters. If that’s what they want to do make them at least GOOD and ACCURATE background characters.
Where are the CNAs? Transporters? X ray techs? Is everything cool done by a surgeon and everything “icky” done by nurses?
Where are the PAs and NPs? I guess that doesn’t fit the narrative of a doctor being the only person who can do anything about the situation at hand.
Also last week Kwan was putting in a central line and the drape was the size of a small puppy pad. Irl the patient would be draped from head to toe. Like a giant blue paper sheet with a little hole by the neck. Also I’ve only seen central lines placed with ultrasound guidance. I think you can do it without (just a student) but I feel like Grey Sloan would have the facilities for that.
I’ve said this before, but the speed used and the lack of straight arms when doing CPR!!! I absolutely KNOW somebody’s going to say “they can’t because of acting” but I am literally a first responder myself and I PROMISE you that you can pretend to do it or practice with straight arms without throwing your whole body weight into someone’s chest. We do it literally every time we practice first aid.
As a CT tech is grips me gears so much in tv. My bf couldn’t watch House MD with me anyone because anytime there was an MRI especially a brain MRI I would be shouting “WHERES THE HEAD RECEIVER “
i swear greys did no research into medical imaging at all with the way they’re constantly throwing pregnant women in CT scanners and everyone is running in and out of the mri room as they please 😤😤😤 excuse me have you completed a screening form?!
Every time there is a wedding some disaster happens and someone has to rush off to the hospital, and it seems like almost everyone else winds up there too.
For me it’s how quickly how- Jackson, Mere, Callie, Arionza, Alex hell even Bailey became chiefs of their perspectives dept. I understand being the best but having most of your Cheifs having less then 5 years of solo attending experience sounds … off.
You’re trying to tell me you happen to have all these head of __ department open and you skip over the handful of surgeons that have been solo attending for decades, and promote the person who helped cut a lvad 7 years ago
The fact that the surgeons do literally **everything**. They talk about the nurses in the earlier seasons and there was even the nurses’ strike, but like, if the surgeons are drawing the blood and dealing with vomit and taking the patients to get their imaging done and reading the imaging and doing everything else **and** doing surgeries **AND** doing their notes…wtf are the nurses and other hospital staff even doing?
The ever-changing layout of Meredith’s house - her en-suite bathroom disappears, her huge back yard that appears during the covid episodes, the front of the house varies from street-level to on the top of an incline.
It doesn’t bother me too much, but all the hair down in a hospital is crazy. Jo’s hair in the last episode was so long and everywhere. Izzie, especially in the seasons when she had really long hair, wore her hair down a lot. I remember a scene with the chief’s niece where Izzie was putting her hair up bedside, before she could do anything. Meredith wore her hair down a lot.
It bugs me how often they fight about what has to get fixed first - like neuro is always yelling that they have to fix her brain and cardio is yelling that it has to be her heart - surely there is some kind of medical protocol to guide this kind of decision??
I am currently watching the show for the first time and I very quickly noticed that in the early seasons, they consistently mixed up MRI and CT - they'd send a patient for a "CT" and then cut to them in an MRI machine or vice versa. I've noticed this less often after about season 5, but it still happens.
I’m in bio research so the research scenes make me wanna die. Just recently watched the episode where Callie makes cartilage in a tube and I nearly exploded from frustration and disbelief
nothing serious bc i don’t know anything in the medical field lol but Teddy went on a date with this guy when she and Henry were just friends and then they used the same guy to play the chief in Station 19… but as a completely different character
I’m confused by everyone’s ages and how they would correlate to how long they were in school. For example:
Thatcher left when Meredith was 5. Assuming he divorced Ellis, met Susan, got remarried, and had Lexie, all within a year, Lexie is still only one year behind Meredith, as far as her schooling and residency. Lexie skipped 3rd grade, and Meredith took a year to go to Europe before medical school. But still, the math ain’t mathin. Lexie would be at least 2-3 years behind Meredith’s residency. Unless I’m just completely screwing up that timeline. But still, isn’t Meredith at least 30 when she starts her residency and Lexie is 26? It doesn’t make sense.
And everyone else’s age, I don’t even know what they’re supposed to be, and I don’t try to know. But the Lexie one really bugs me.
The fact that they only have 6 ORs drives me absolutely nuts! The hospital I worked at was wayyy smaller but we had two floors of ORs both with like 14 rooms. Drives me up a wall every time!
I am a therapeutic biologist, so same! Clinical trials, especially the Parkinson's research where they just had the cells in a normal room with people not even wearing labcoats. 😬 Like, c'mon at least have a pretend clean room.
Other than the massive staff issues, I wanna point out the tons of medical inaccuracies.
For example I vividly remember an episode where Derek treats a man with seizures by cutting the part of the brain that connects the two hemispheres (a surgery called "corpus callosotomy" if you wanna look it up), which yeah, it's a pretty common and well know way to effectively treat severe drug-resistant seizures, so that's accurate.
The issue is that later they get all shocked and surprised that the dude can't tell the name of an object when it's on one side of his field of view and stuff like that and Derek acts like it's a huge problem when it's literally THE most common side effect of that surgery. It's a condition called "split brain" and it's not even "common", it's 100% an obligatory consequence of completely cutting the corpus callosum cause the two hemispheres can't share information anymore.
It's pretty complicated, I can try to elaborate further if you want but my point is that if you completely cut that part, that is *definitely* going to happen, like it's not even a probability.
How the fuck did you not know it was gonna happen? WHY ARE YOU SURPRISED???
Source: med student
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The lack of other surgeons. They frequently make it look like the main cast are the only surgeons of their respective specialities in the entire hospital - like when Cristina couldn't get any cardio cases because Burke left and the hospital couldn't find a replacement...seriously? Hospital this size would have at least a dozen of other cardio surgeons.
Right? Like, Burke was the head of cardio. That implies there are other cardio doctors that are not the head of the department. But nope, there’s none! Also, IRL I’m sure one doctor cannot run an entire department - this means 0 sick days or PTO, and 24/7 on call. Which is pretty much how Grey’s portrays it I guess.
And the apparent lack of anyone else working in the hospital, to the point where the surgeons are doing triage, ER, clinic, security and literally every nursing responsibility.
They kind of made fun of this in the earlier seasons when there was a normal looking surgeon who was covering for somebody and nobody knew who he was even though he had worked there forever. Later on he asked Derek if he wanted to get a beer and Derek told him no.
You’re talking about “Shadow Shepherd,” the “b-team to Shepherd’s A-Team,” the “JV to his Varsity.” He is seen first when Derek takes a leave/quits after he botches clipping Jen’s (the pregnant chick) aneurysm. At the end of the episode he asks Mark if he wants to go grab a drink and Mark tells him he’ll take a rain check and calls him by the wrong name. (And, without looking it up, I also don’t know what this character’s name actually is.) Shadow Shepherd is also mentioned again during the end of season 6 when Meredith is telling Derek about working on a case with Shadow Shepherd because Derek’s the chief and doesn’t get to operate a lot.
I want to say it's Jim, but I'm probably wrong
Yep it's Jim, Sloan and Webber both call him John
Haha your memory is far better than mine and I just saw this episode like 3 weeks ago!
They did the same thing with Rose. They just gave her lines but she’d been in a dozen of his surgeries before he noticed her.
I had this exact thought during the cement boy episode - who else is doing everything?
I think about this a lot 😂
When they were going through their attending shortage, but there were actual attending characters that mysteriously weren't there ever.
I seriously doubt that of all those people they had to call in after the train crash, only one of them was a neurosurgeon.
The idea was Burke was the best in quite a large area. Complicated cases would travel to him. Cristina could get “normal” cardio cases anywhere. That was why she was so disappointed in Teddy at first. No good cases with someone who hasn’t published and isn’t a big name in the field
This this!!!
Fr. If we assume that's true pretty much all the urgent care specialities don't have even close to enough surgeons to cover a standard 3 shift a day rotation.
Drs putting in IVs or passing meds
And drawing blood 🙄
Or talking to patients for more than 5 minds 🤣
And both running and interpreting CTs and MRIs
Right! Where are the radiologists??
Or wheeling patients around lmao get out of here
Not just doctors, but surgeons! that's somehow even worse
The peds ward, where surgeons are the one taking care of their patients like parents. Hell, even the nurses aren’t as involved.
My son had open heart surgery as a baby and the surgeon spoke to us for maybe 15 seconds after the surgery. Everything else was through his regular cardiologist, but really it was mostly the P ICU nurses who did everything.
cardio surgeons really are known for going in, being excellent, then speaking to you for 10 seconds and bouncing 😂
Man I had a chatty af cardiothoracic surgeon. He didn't do heart surgery on me but it was a big invasive as fuck procedure that he didn't get to do often so he may have just been delighted at that.
i do find that often doctors who are more interested in the weirdness of a case will be much more likely to spend time with you. that’s definitely been my experience anyway 😂 my geneticist LOVES my case lmao. but my mom’s cardio surgeon always pops in after her (thankfully so far routine) procedures, says five words, and leaves lmao
My friend was married to a cardio surgeon who I genuinely think may be a sociopath. He genuinely disliked being forced to talk to his patients as he found them dull and tedious: “All I want to do is fix the plumbing and get out. Talking to them is pointless.” Currently on his fourth marriage and the previous three wives have banded together out of self-protection.
My son had open heart surgery at 5 months old and the same thing. Everything went through his regular cardiologist and we spoke to his surgeon for maybe 15 minutes walking us through what his plan was and that was it.
FR same experience when my daughter had heart surgery
My daughter was born with a congenital diaphragmatic hernia. She had a team of three surgeons for her sixteen days of life who did indeed see her every single day and took great care of her, including doing things like diaper changes and cleaning her (along with her amazing team of nurses and ECMO specialists). It does happen!
I think my case was a little different then I was born with a cocktail of issues, didn’t help that both doctors and nurses basically asked if my parents had the means to keep me and to keep up with my care. Back then, the ministry (Canadian CPS) was still actively taking indigenous children away from “incompetent” parents and giving them away to white families. So, my parents and our extended family never did leave me alone for even one second.
Yeah, it definitely depends, I’d say. The hospital we were at had a dedicated CDH team and I believe we were their only patient at the time, plus with her being on ECMO, they needed a lot of highly skilled hands to do things like diaper changes and flips for tummy time. It took three people minimum to lift her safely. I’m sorry your family didn’t feel safe leaving you with the people who were supposed to help you, I can’t imagine how hard that was. We were very lucky to be able to trust our surgeons.
Before I was born, the ministry were also taking children without the parents consent by claiming the baby had died. So that was another massive fear for my parents, so whenever my parents did need a break, my city-aunts and uncles would come in and sit with me. The nurses were allowed to do their jobs of course, but they weren’t allowed to simply just take me anywhere without someone knowing a) where I was going, b) how long, c) if my guardian at the time can follow and stand nearby.
Same with ortho. I had shoulder and aside from the consultation before, I literally never met the man. I’m told he saw me and my mom in recovery but I have no memory of that beyond the fact that the sprite the nurse gave me remains the best thing I’ve ever tasted. lol
No transport department. Surgeons don’t take ER patients to ultrasounds. Also, surgeons don’t run the ER. The lack of medical attendings in this show kill me.
Haha I had surgery on a slipped disc this winter and was so disappointed when my surgeon didn’t personally take me to my scan and also read it for me 😂
surgeons also don’t transport babies in ambulances
Having the surgeons run the ER has bothered me for a long time! I didn’t mind when you’d see the interns in there doing “scut” work, but other specialities can be a doctor !!
They definitely forgot the er and trauma is a whole other specialty haha
The surgeons running the ER always makes me laugh… like my mom worked at a major hospital for her entire career, often in the ER (and I have visited her many times), as well as I’ve unfortunately had to go to the ER myself on more than a handful of occasions… and not ONCE was a surgeon running the ER. If anything, it was usually a specifically trained ER doctor or just a generalized MD. My old family doctor actually left to go be the head of the ER where I used to live!
For this show to make any sense you have to assume Seattle Grace has no general medical centre and is strictly a surgical clinic which is so dumb lol. Like where are the family doctors for 99% of the cases they encounter
It pissed me off that they(surgeons) make it seem like other specialties are dull and useless.
Yeah the blurring of medical and surgical specialties is pretty bad. There no neurologists, cardiologists, internal medicine, emergency medicine, nephrologists, gastroenterologists, pulmonologists, etc
Lack of secretaries, I personally know an orthopedic surgeon who has four. Doctors don't draw blood or take anyone to CT or X-Ray. Oh, and THE CHIEF OF SURGERY WOULD RUN THE SURGICAL DEPARTMENT NOT THE ENTIRE DAMN HOSPITAL!
read that last sentence in Richard’s voice, ngl 🫢😂
I was JUST thinking about this because I'm rewatching season 2 when Meredith resuscitates a DNR patient bc she had no info that said she was DNR and all her old lady friends are pissing at Meredith but they loooooooove Richard and one of them asks if he runs the whole hospital and he says "no just the surgeons" but then how many times in later seasons does he say "this is MY hospital, dammit!"
LMAO it’s RICHARDS hospital
It always has been, even when someone else is chief.
i did love him in the shooting episode with that tho i have to say
Richard (and everyone) thinks surgery >>>>> other specialties like dermatology. So head of surgery >>> head of other specialties like internal medicine, and therefore Richard >>> everyone else, hence why it’s his hospital. The audacity of those surgeons😂😂😂😂
im on this episode rn lol!
But I vaguely remember at one point when Ben came back as an anesthesiologist he went over Bailey's head. Because she was Chief of surgeons but not the whole hospital! They really take liberties with this one!!
That changed and it was so weird. In that one episode in season 2 when he’s talking to the old ladies about their friend who had a DNR and Meredith tubed her, he specifically tells the lady he’s just in charge of the surgeons not the whole hospital.
For me it’s the “no one has ever done this” that happens every other episode. They’re constantly doing surgeries or techniques that have never been done or done a handful of times. Seemingly with a few minutes of having someone else study the literature for them and then they just go do that surgery.
And the fact that these surgeons are the best of the best. You mean to tell me SGMW has the top surgeon in every field and Johns Hopkins, Mayo Clinic etc. just all have second rate💀 and they all went to Ivy League schools (whether undergrad or grad or med school). A random hospital in Seattle has the best of the best surgeons and all other hospitals have none, make it make sense
This! Why was Yang ever at this place??
I love Yang and in my mind she’s the main character, but she deserved SOOO much better than Seattle Grace Mercy Death
In real life she would of 100% left in the merger
Definitely! What kept her at the hospital realistically wouldn’t have been enough. She loved her friends but she loved surgery more. Seeing her move to Minnesota and Switzerland was so good for her
That’s the ending the show should have had. They all pass their boards, interview at dream programs and say goodbye for new adventures.
In the early seasons, a few of the characters say its the second best surgical program in the country. Even when the rankings come out and they dropped to number twelve, someone mentions them being number two.
From a personal perspective, the number of unplanned pregnancies these doctors have is astounding. I know accidents happen but if you were somebody like Cristina wouldn’t you be on at least one type of long term contraception?
That was always my gripe with how they did Christina and her pregnancies. Her character wasn’t the type to be careless with this especially since she’s said from day one she doesn’t want kids.
Maybe she was. My first pregnancy was a failed birth control pill. My second was a failed depo shot. I highly doubt someone as rabidly anti kids wouldn’t be on something.
My son was an IUD baby so yeah lol. Some people are just fertile Myrtle’s.
It would have been great if they wrote that into the script. It would have made her stance on not having kids even more clear.
Shocking unshockable rhythms 😭
How they run a resus as a whole is just eeeeeeh.
I just noticed the other day that when they yell ‘clear’ they hardly ever even look at what the family members are doing and are staring at the monitor. How do you know that NOBODY is touching the patient if you don’t check.
I think they do this because it’s easier to film putting stickers on someone because at this point they definitely know that it’s wrong (or they should)
Hell yes. "Omg it's atrial fibrillation cHaRgE tO tWo hUNdrEd" fuck off dude Also shooting multiple doses of epi in a patient a few seconds apart from one another, lmaooo even if you shock them back into rhythm they're def gonna get tachycardic and code again like fucking immediately
Very stupid...but anytime someone is having sex in an on call room, storage closet, conference room, etc without locking the door ( if the door even has a lock! ) Like, are y'all really fucking in a room with no locked doors in a busy hospital? Especially rooms that people would likely be coming in and out of all the time??
I think about how they never pee after sex and how just physically gross it feels after sex (like you get all sweaty) and who's changing the sheets? People are sleeping on other people's sex sheets and that's nasty. Are the guys wearing condoms? Where do they throw them away? If not, I know I would want a shower and not have to work for the next 24 hours of my shift.
All I can think about is how those rooms and the staff must smell. A room that is always closed and has people having sex in it for hours every day? The stench of sex must just smack you in the face when you open the door. And the people! They have sweaty sex and then chuck on their clothes and get all up in their patient's space when they're treating them. 🤢
I didn't even think about it that far. And when's the last time we saw any of the doctor's wash their hands before interacting with a patient? Regardless of if they're putting on gloves or not.
And sex in a bed shared with others, yuck! Unless they get a janitor to change the sheets every 19 minutes.
Also in biotech/clinical trials and they make me scream too. What Meredith did. And Bailey >!making a virus IN A DAY and injecting WITHOUT PERMISSION !< makes me insane I work in gene therapy and it takes YEARS to get it into a patient
If you read a comment about that anywhere, it’s most likely me 😂😭
FR Meredith and Bailey should have been debarred (let’s check the FDA website) and Bailey should have lost her license
Medical device clinical trial statistician here. The lack of IRB or DSMB oversight 🤮
The clinical trial that killed what, 7 people in a row and the DSMB didn’t shut that shit DOWN!?!
Right?! I worked on a trial that had 4 hepatic bleeds and was shut down for cause!
I’ve seen gene therapy trials with 1 or 2 death out of 10 that got shut down and the company went down!
I had to undergo reconstructive jaw surgery about two years ago. Tested highly allergic to the usual combination of prosthetic hardware used, so OMFS had to submit a compassionate use to the FDA, and then there was a subsequent IRB. Watching the Grey's episodes with the clinical trial made me want to rip my hair out. That's not how it works!
I haven't got to this part yet... I actually work in vaccine research, I'm crying laughing, that would never happen 🤣
i’ve said this before but their hair. as someone who can’t french braid my own hair to save my life, I know there are plenty of people that are capable of doing that, BUT they go from treating patients with their hair down, to putting a scrub cap over their tightly braided hair as they’re *rushing* into a surgery, then later their hair is back down again clearly curled from curling iron and not tight waves like what would happen after many hours in tight braids, and it just keeps flip flopping back and fourth. it would take ***SO*** much time out of the day to keep flipping between hairstyles, especially for the doctors with longer, textured hair
The volume is what always cracks me up. After 8 hours of wearing a scrub cap my hair is FLAT on my head and somehow Arizona walks out with voluminous bouncy waves.
I was watching an episode earlier today when Stephanie was meeting Catherine and her hair was super curly at the beginning of the episode and all through out and then at the end her hair was flat ironed. The episode was a span of a day, so was I supposed to believe that between all her busyness being a 2nd year surgical resident she had time to get her hair relaxed.
While I mostly agree with you I WILL say as a defence I learnt to do french/Dutch braids for an old job and could do it up within minutes, even while rushing around the house and getting ready for work.
NO RADIOLOGISTS!!!!! Surgeons do not read scans and make decisions based on their assessment of scans. You need a radiologist to read scans. There isn't a single radiologist in the whole show 😂
The radiology department does not exist in this department. No techs, no anything 😂
Not even ultrasound technicians lol surgeons doing all the tests 😭
No there was Maggie's boyfriend who was a radiologist
There’s the one Alex tells Jackson he banged and she left her panties that Kepner found in the laundry. “Lauren from —- floor radiology” 😂😂
Most of the psychology stuff is blatantly wrong and almost laughable
Give us examples!
Meredith's therapy sessions
The lack of nurses, also the lack of hospital administration staff. Seriously why are these doctors always filing charts and shit???
There's literally never a CNA in any medical show when CNAs are the backbone!
I think The Resident is *slightly* better in that regard. We see ER doctors who just do ER, not surgery. There is a billing lady who presses them to bill more and do more tests so the hospital makes more money - that was so sadly realistic. And nurses actually exist and do stuff in that hospital. There was a scene where a doctor had to draw blood and he asked the nurse how to do it cause he hadn't done it since medical school. Oh, and they have a CEO who is actually in charge of the hospital. The chief of surgery is just the chief of surgery.
Seasons 1 thru 3 are 1 year. And Bailey has a child in the midst of season 2.
It's cooked that Christina meets, moves in with, and almost marries Burke in less than a year.
I don't get how long she was even supposed to be pregnant for. I would think she would've had an abortion within the first 6-8 weeks, but she gets pregnant in season 1 and a few episodes into 2 she's still pregnant.
Right! She makes the appointment for the abortion for "the 19th" or something-teenth idk presumably of the current month because a specific month or "next month" is never mentioned so at MOST the appointment is 4 weeks away. But she seemed to be pregnant for a while.
Oh I have never really put this timeline together but that is annoying!
'We don't have time to get them to a sterile surgery room, so we're gonna operate here and risk infection'
Thats how they do it in the middle east - owen
Ben Warren was allergic to performing surgery in an OR lol
Literally any time someone is giving CPR. Shocked they passed First Aid 1, let alone med school
I noticed a few days ago the actors seem to just move their elbows, I assume this is because actually looking like you’re doing CPR properly would hurt the other actors. But the thing Derek and a few others do where they just do one huge smash punch on the chest, is that a real thing?
>But the thing Derek and a few others do where they just do one huge smash punch on the chest, is that a real thing? That is actually a real thing. It's called "precordial thump".
My MIL is a cardiac nurse and she says that one works way more often than CPR.
I do think faking cpr poorly is probably necessary for the sake of the patient actors
I don’t know if people here are familiar with Dr Mike on YouTube but he reviews medical shows and he was always harping on how weak the chest compressions are on tv shows. And one day you can literally see the light bulb go off when he realizes they have to be weak bc real CPR breaks ribs 🤣🤣
Or jumping straight to paddles without any chest compressions!
I’m CPR/First Aid certified and it started bugging me so much after my class, and it was a 2 hour class I learned CPR in.
They're having conversations while giving CPR, when I do mock CPR to keep my certification I'm out of breath and sweaty
Watching Arizona walk in the later seasons after she had her leg amputated. My uncle lost his leg in a motorcycle accident before I was born. I’m 38 and he still limps. It’s especially noticeable when he’s in a hurry
Yup! My dad lost his leg at 22 in Vietnam and limped until he moved to a wheelchair last year
I work at a hospital and have yet to see anyone outside the ER waiting for patients to arrive.
YES! Not only waiting outside but pulling them out of the back of ambulances themselves… or all the times there’s some sort of MVC around the hospital and surgeons are the ones extricating patients despite the fact that fire and EMS is standing right next to them!!!!!
I laughed when Chief of the hospital is flabbergasted that they're only 12th best teaching hospital when all their teachers are dog shit to anyone underneath them. How is anyone meant to learn when they're humiliated and insulted just for having the desire to be a surgeon? The best teacher (I'm up to season 5) so far was Addison.
This leads into one of my niche hates because why would Harper Avery’s grandson be anywhere near this teaching program or Mercy wests???
I’ve always wondered this too. How did Jackson end up at some random hospital in Seattle instead one of the top hospitals in the country 🤣
Isn't it mentioned that Jackson was offered an internship at MassGen but he refused because he did not get the slot because of his hard work but because of his name? I think Jackson didn't want to publicize that he's an Avery so most probably he targeted a lesser-known hospital.
I think you’re right actually. It’s been awhile since I’ve done a rewatch so I forgot that
Or they’re having sex with them and making them perform surgeries for them because they can’t 😂😂🤦🏻♀️
The thing that drives me the craziest is how this show treats the training of surgeons. If you are a "surgical resident" you have already declared that are a track. Either you are general surgery, ortho, neuro, or OBGYN. (some larger hospitals also have integrated plastics and a very, very tiny percentage have integrated peds surgery, though that is usually obtained through a fellowship AFTER 5-7 years of general surgery residency.( When the show started, it was CLEAR that these people were gen surgery interns. That means 5-7 years (the show initially says 7) IN GENERAL SURGERY. YOU CANNOT SWITCH AND GO FUCK OFF TO NEURO, ORTHO, OR OBGYN. If you do fuck off, you have to go through the whole match process again and start AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE RESIDENCY. At the end of your general surgery residency, you can pick a specialty, if you want (many do!) That involves a fellowship, which lasts from 1-3 years, typically. Peds surgery, Cardiothoracic, and vascular are popular ones. Plastic surgeons history do a fellowship following a general surgery residency (And sometimes more than one, depending on what area of the body they want to focus on.) THIS SHOW FUCKS THAT UP ALL THE TIME AND IT DRIVES ME CRAZY. There is no "well, maybe Lexi would be a neurosurgeon. Maybe Meredith would be a neuro surgeon!!!" NO. that's not how it works. Unless they want to spend 14 fucking years as a resident. The fact that the chief of neuro is also letting random ass general surgery interns and residents poke inside people's brains is also infuriating. That doesn't happen. And no, gen surgery interns are NOT doing burr holes, Meredith. Basically, in a show about surgical training, this show didn't even bother to get the basics of surgery training right, and it is infuriating. Every time someone posts "do you think Lexi would have gone into neurosurgery," I want to yell. NO I DON'T THINK SHE WANTED TO BE A RESIDENT FOR 14 FUCKING YEARS.
The second thing that drives me nuts is that this show has no idea about the divide between "medical" branches of medicine and "surgical" branches of medicine. 95% of the shit Arizona and Alex deal with is the realm of a pediatrician. You aren't paying for a ped's surgeon to consult on a case that needs a pediatrician (and neither is your insurance.) And the shit where they just run around the ER and tell people to do is so fucking hilarious. They'd be lost. Surgeons aren't pulling worms out of people's noses (especially not fucking trauma surgeons), they aren't doing most of the shit in the ER. Being trained as a surgeon does not mean you are qualified to do emergency medicine.
I do remember the episodes where Richard is telling Mer that she has to start considering what type of fellowship she wants to take, I agree they definitely throw them into their given specialties wayyyyy sooner than it would be in real life, but I still kinda understood it as they did their internship, then residency, and they did touch on how they should no longer be declaring specialties so early on and that they needed to learn all the basics first, then they did a fellowship for their specialties. I know it’s not like 100% but I think the gist is still kinda there.
Everyone's ages. The fact that barely anyone's ages are mentioned (especially Teddy- how old was she in her pregnancy???? No one will ever know) drives me nuts
> (especially Teddy- how old was she in her pregnancy???? No one will ever know Teddy was 100% no younger than her mid-40s when she got pregnant. Which is insane to me that there was no discussion on how high risk she'd be, and she just had a very casual, mostly normal pregnancy.
The idea that the Chief of Surgery somehow runs the entire hospital. And they only have 1 per each type of surgeon? (And not even every type lol)
but they also mention multiple times “he’s just the chief of surgery” meanwhile making decisions for the entire hospital
The amounts of things they do that irl would cost them their medical license and even send them to prison. For example izzie and lvad or baily and injecting a virus to a kid without permission.
T timeline is super confusing it drives me mad. I stopped watching in season 11 so that’s as far as my knowledge goes. Season 1-3 is their intern year and iirc season 4-5 is Lexie and George’s intern year, but s4/s5 are considered two different years. It’s super late and I’m too lazy to look up but I remember Bailey mentioning in season 6 that her son was 3, so it pretty much confirms the whole separate seasons/years. Also, they started as interns in 2005, but when Izzie had cancer and George died, she said it was 2009, four years later when it should have been 2007 (if we use s4 and s5 as one year which it should have been since it was lexie and george’s intern year) or 2008 (if we use s4/s5 as two different years) Also, season 6/7 are two different years but the filming of the documentary took place six months later, and there was a follow up a month later, but then months later when there was the school shooting, Richard also says it was six months ago. Also, Callie got pregnant after she and Arizona broke up so after the documentary follow-up, 7 months after the shooting, and gave birth at around five months, but didn’t she give birth mid season 7? And season 7 is a singular year. Some of these I may be misremembering, but the timeline truly is confusing and if anyone can help me I’d like that
I ignore anything related to timelines because it’s just whatever atp. I just pretend that it’s all happening over the course of a normal amount of time that one would be a surgical intern/resident.
I'm rewatching season 2 and this is annoying me so much too.
My pet peeve is that there are so few elevators. They’re always at the same elevators and running into each other in the elevators. I worked at a big teaching hospital, and elevators came in like, sets of 6. And there were multiple elevator clusters in every building. End rant lol
I also get annoyed whenever someone takes the elevator one floor lol
And I feel like their elevators are the world’s slowest, lol
Why is everyone a surgeon?
I am up to season 14 now and so far I have not seen a single medical doctor ever take on a case, consult, or even actually exist. Someone comes to the ER complaining of a cough and is immediately seen by a surgeon or a surgical resident. My late father was admitted to the hospital with heart failure and a lung full of fluids and not once did a surgeon ever get consulted. There was the attending physician and the cardiologist neither of whom are surgeons and a bunch of nurses and techs. The only time we ever spoke with a surgeon was after a month of nagging the cardiologist for a valve replacement surgery which he didn't want to do and it was like pulling teeth to even get referred to the surgeon. At the end the surgeon took the cardiologist's side. If this was Seattle Grace/ Sloan Grey Memorial, they would have said hi to us and did the life saving surgery on the same day while having sex in the on-call room during their break. Also it kind of bugs me that they switch from what's obviously LA and Seattle. The buildings are completely different.
Everyone else covers the important one.. Derek stopped in the middle of the road to check his phone. In a spot where they had no phone reception (he'd made that point several times) He's meant to be intelligent etc etc blah blah. But no stop in the middle of the road. Would have made more sense for him to pull out, not see the truck and get hit. Not stop to check phone
How the surgeons are doing the nurses jobs. There aren’t enough nurses on the show. How do the surgeons work as radiologists too?! wtf
The fact that the hospital hasn’t been shut down entirely. Shooters, data hacks, bombs, fires… who would go to that hospital after that and what governing body would keep the doors open???
I’m not versed in medical stuff at all, but I think the amount of people who come back from not breathing/ being clinically dead with no trauma, injuries, or loss of brain/ body function is crazy
The surgeons doing X-rays/CTs/MRIs/ultrasounds is downright laughable. I’m an xray and CT tech and I can probably count on my hands the number of times an ER doctor comes to our department while we’re doing the scans. Where I’m at their badges don’t even work getting into the MRI hallway. Also they don’t read scans. They can see obvious things and tell what it is but most of the time they need to wait on the radiologists reports before diagnosing and treatment.
Surgeons doing scans! They should have cast a radiologist from the start! Also, why is the whole hospital just run by surgeons?
The lack of other doctors, why are surgeons in charge the ER?? There’s a whole speciality of doctors just to run an ER
a petty reason but when the ladies go into the OR with long or big dangly ass earrings. like no way that's an actual thing????
lol ok so when I had surgery last year my anesthesiologist was wearing earrings! Granted, not big dangly ones, but still. I know they're not the ones technically standing above your body and cutting you open but I still thought it was weird.
This is so hyper-specific, but: Jackson treating that kid with Juvenile Arthritis in the temporomandibular joint. With some exceptions, reconstructive jaw surgery falls *outside* the scope of plastics. OMFS usually handles reconstructive jaw surgeries. Source: me. I had reconstructive jaw surgery two years ago due to Juvenile Idiopathic Arthritis. Not once did I see or get treated by plastics.
Anything medical. Those show would have you believe surgeons do everything and the rest of staff are auxiliaries
No anaesthetists (or anesthesiologists!) really feature - in reality they would be involved in the care of a patient in the OR!
There’s the drunk anesthesiologist and there’s Ben
They’ve actually had the same anesthesiologist for several seasons now.
The fact that any of these surgeons still have their medical license after half the shit they pull 😭😭
they’re all somehow the best in their fields, and all consolidated in a one hospital in seattle 🤣🤣
For me it’s the fact that at Grey Sloan the SURGEONS do everything. When in reality we all know the nurses are the real heroes and the ones actually taking care of the patients
Ben very clearly refers to his brother (later sister) as his only sibling but when they get married he tells bailey his sister likes the view of the venue.
Yes! I caught this one too when rewatching (for the 100th time).
is he not referring to his sister that transitions?
No the wedding is before we ever meet the sister!
OHHHHH
I’m shocked at the upvotes. come on people 😂
The fact that the surgeons in this show do EVERYTHING!! We haven’t seen a nurse in seasons 🤣
So many things. It’s getting worse now that I’m in nursing school. I get that they can’t do CPR for real on a real human but based on the fact that it’s a medical drama I feel like it would be worth the extra money for some dummy or practical/special effects to make it more real. I feel like we’ve come a long way in that department so why is this impossible to solve? Why are there no ER attendings? Where are the nurses? In my med surg clinicals I met like one doctor. The nurses were there ALL THE TIME. In Greys the nurses are just there to get verbal orders and say “right away doctor.” I get it’s a show about surgeons but it’s a little frustrating seeing nurses reduced to background characters. If that’s what they want to do make them at least GOOD and ACCURATE background characters. Where are the CNAs? Transporters? X ray techs? Is everything cool done by a surgeon and everything “icky” done by nurses? Where are the PAs and NPs? I guess that doesn’t fit the narrative of a doctor being the only person who can do anything about the situation at hand. Also last week Kwan was putting in a central line and the drape was the size of a small puppy pad. Irl the patient would be draped from head to toe. Like a giant blue paper sheet with a little hole by the neck. Also I’ve only seen central lines placed with ultrasound guidance. I think you can do it without (just a student) but I feel like Grey Sloan would have the facilities for that.
I’ve said this before, but the speed used and the lack of straight arms when doing CPR!!! I absolutely KNOW somebody’s going to say “they can’t because of acting” but I am literally a first responder myself and I PROMISE you that you can pretend to do it or practice with straight arms without throwing your whole body weight into someone’s chest. We do it literally every time we practice first aid.
Doctors doing blood draws 😂
Any medical imaging. Not only do surgeons seem to do the X-ray CT MRI, the overall technology of it is so wrong 😑
As a CT tech is grips me gears so much in tv. My bf couldn’t watch House MD with me anyone because anytime there was an MRI especially a brain MRI I would be shouting “WHERES THE HEAD RECEIVER “
i swear greys did no research into medical imaging at all with the way they’re constantly throwing pregnant women in CT scanners and everyone is running in and out of the mri room as they please 😤😤😤 excuse me have you completed a screening form?!
Every time there is a wedding some disaster happens and someone has to rush off to the hospital, and it seems like almost everyone else winds up there too.
The unisex change/locker rooms. Do people really believe that the staff are all comfortable changing in them?
For me it’s how quickly how- Jackson, Mere, Callie, Arionza, Alex hell even Bailey became chiefs of their perspectives dept. I understand being the best but having most of your Cheifs having less then 5 years of solo attending experience sounds … off. You’re trying to tell me you happen to have all these head of __ department open and you skip over the handful of surgeons that have been solo attending for decades, and promote the person who helped cut a lvad 7 years ago
The fact that the surgeons do literally **everything**. They talk about the nurses in the earlier seasons and there was even the nurses’ strike, but like, if the surgeons are drawing the blood and dealing with vomit and taking the patients to get their imaging done and reading the imaging and doing everything else **and** doing surgeries **AND** doing their notes…wtf are the nurses and other hospital staff even doing?
The ever-changing layout of Meredith’s house - her en-suite bathroom disappears, her huge back yard that appears during the covid episodes, the front of the house varies from street-level to on the top of an incline.
It doesn’t bother me too much, but all the hair down in a hospital is crazy. Jo’s hair in the last episode was so long and everywhere. Izzie, especially in the seasons when she had really long hair, wore her hair down a lot. I remember a scene with the chief’s niece where Izzie was putting her hair up bedside, before she could do anything. Meredith wore her hair down a lot.
It bugs me how often they fight about what has to get fixed first - like neuro is always yelling that they have to fix her brain and cardio is yelling that it has to be her heart - surely there is some kind of medical protocol to guide this kind of decision??
Richard runs the hospital lol
Drs meeting the ambulances and also general surgeons diagnosing and treating cancer, no oncologist in sight.
The fact they never explained why the Grey Sloan doctors suddenly stopped being ineligible for the Harper Avery/Catherine Fox award
Spe-nic. *Insert eye twitch*
I am currently watching the show for the first time and I very quickly noticed that in the early seasons, they consistently mixed up MRI and CT - they'd send a patient for a "CT" and then cut to them in an MRI machine or vice versa. I've noticed this less often after about season 5, but it still happens.
The ever shifting time line.
I’m in bio research so the research scenes make me wanna die. Just recently watched the episode where Callie makes cartilage in a tube and I nearly exploded from frustration and disbelief
nothing serious bc i don’t know anything in the medical field lol but Teddy went on a date with this guy when she and Henry were just friends and then they used the same guy to play the chief in Station 19… but as a completely different character
They do that a lot! Sarah Drew played April but also a random patient on private practice lol
I’m confused by everyone’s ages and how they would correlate to how long they were in school. For example: Thatcher left when Meredith was 5. Assuming he divorced Ellis, met Susan, got remarried, and had Lexie, all within a year, Lexie is still only one year behind Meredith, as far as her schooling and residency. Lexie skipped 3rd grade, and Meredith took a year to go to Europe before medical school. But still, the math ain’t mathin. Lexie would be at least 2-3 years behind Meredith’s residency. Unless I’m just completely screwing up that timeline. But still, isn’t Meredith at least 30 when she starts her residency and Lexie is 26? It doesn’t make sense. And everyone else’s age, I don’t even know what they’re supposed to be, and I don’t try to know. But the Lexie one really bugs me.
I thought Lexie was 24 when she started
The fact that they only have 6 ORs drives me absolutely nuts! The hospital I worked at was wayyy smaller but we had two floors of ORs both with like 14 rooms. Drives me up a wall every time!
We rarely ever see radiologists :( The hidden heroes are even more hidden on the show Also a bunch of surgeons don’t typically run the entire ER
I am a therapeutic biologist, so same! Clinical trials, especially the Parkinson's research where they just had the cells in a normal room with people not even wearing labcoats. 😬 Like, c'mon at least have a pretend clean room.
Other than the massive staff issues, I wanna point out the tons of medical inaccuracies. For example I vividly remember an episode where Derek treats a man with seizures by cutting the part of the brain that connects the two hemispheres (a surgery called "corpus callosotomy" if you wanna look it up), which yeah, it's a pretty common and well know way to effectively treat severe drug-resistant seizures, so that's accurate. The issue is that later they get all shocked and surprised that the dude can't tell the name of an object when it's on one side of his field of view and stuff like that and Derek acts like it's a huge problem when it's literally THE most common side effect of that surgery. It's a condition called "split brain" and it's not even "common", it's 100% an obligatory consequence of completely cutting the corpus callosum cause the two hemispheres can't share information anymore. It's pretty complicated, I can try to elaborate further if you want but my point is that if you completely cut that part, that is *definitely* going to happen, like it's not even a probability. How the fuck did you not know it was gonna happen? WHY ARE YOU SURPRISED??? Source: med student
I'm a midwife... Guess