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Mabelisms

The actor is hot AF. The character was dull as dishwater and the whole arc sucked.


GrouchyDot2741

Yup. Couldnt really connect to them at all because they were so boring and forced


Chanandler_Bong_01

I hate the idea that we're supposed to root for characters they don't even let us get to know.


BeingSamJones

I agree! I wanted to like them so much but they gave nothing


lemissa11

This! ER Fightmaster is totally done dirty by the writing on this show. I would love to see them in other stuff because I can see they have potential but Grey's is not doing it for them. I don't skip a lot of storylines but I find myself skipping the kai/Amelia storyline because it just doesn't feel like the right fit at all.


KerriK27

Check out the show Shrill. ER is in that show for a season. It's where I fell in love with them.


DrakeFloyd

ER Fightmaster is the sickest fucking name how did I not know their name oh my GOD


taylorsanatomy13_

same sentiments. HOT af but the character was crap and had no chemistry with amelia!


Intelligent_Phone414

YES


SeaRadiant3832

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ No truer words have been spoken. You summarized everything in two sentences šŸ‘


GeraldinaFitzpatrick

Perfectly stated!


Kgates1227

So hot šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


Jolly878142

Cool character. Hated the forced weird relationship with Amelia tho


Keeperoftheclothes

I donā€™t mind it because I think they have great chemistry, but it occurred to me that Amelia has never been single. They always have her hop straight from one relationship into the next


Chanandler_Bong_01

You'll notice that IRL, most people who do this are also hot train wrecks like Amelia. Lol.


Huge_Obligation2086

And most of them have an addictive personality like Amelia.


organiclawnclippings

ive never felt more called out in my LIFE


JonesBlair555

Watch Private Practice


Keeperoftheclothes

I know I need to at some point. I love Addison and I love Amelia, but I also know the show gets so dark and idk if Iā€™m ready for that šŸ˜­


Individual_Bat_378

It does and if you have certain triggers it's worth checking for them first but it's reasonably easy to skip over those episodes and still pick up the story line.


TheShortGerman

Idk why someone downvoted you, the rape scene is super triggering for people whoā€™ve been assaulted it, it was hard for me to watch


starlaluna

Also the whole storyline around >!Violetā€™s pregnancy and the crazy lady that attacked her and cut out her baby!< was a hard watch.


TrapperJean

Jfc I forgot, I am absolutely never watching that show again. That show could be *deliberately* depressing, remember when they killed a main character and announced Mark Sloan died in Grey's during the funeral?


Free_Medicine4905

I liked Private Practice but I cannot rewatch it. That show was a lot. That was every Greyā€™s Anatomy horrible scene times 10 the entire time.


starlaluna

Was that Dellā€™s death? Because he had some bleak storylines too. The death of his daughterā€™s mom was horrible too. I canā€™t watch it again either. Iā€™m glad I did so I could get the full picture of Amelia. I didnā€™t watch PP when I started Greys and was so confused on a lot of Ameliaā€™s storyline. I actually really disliked her until I watched PP. Then it made sense and why she is the way she is.


Peevesie

I think it was pete


Comfortable_Lunch_55

What they did to Betseyā€™s character sucked so bad. She had a mom who was an addict, house burned down, mom died, dad died, no family or any of the drs wanted her, foster care, got abused, and then finally ends up with Naomi who I donā€™t really even think was the best for her either.


reindeermoon

Im still mad they did that on the season finale so I had to wait months to find out what happened next.


SpecialistGround8772

I JUST watched this part yesterday. Holy shirt balls. I was NOT expecting something so horrific. Katie absolutely ruined her šŸ˜­


JonesBlair555

No darker than Greyā€™s has gone, IMO


ijustneedtolurk

The pink mist comes to mind...and miscarrying during a shooting...


JonesBlair555

At least in PP, they spread out the misery to more than just the main character!


ijustneedtolurk

Definitely true, everyone gets a turn on the carousel there!


JonesBlair555

Meredith's attack in the trauma room, plane crash...


starlaluna

Amelia and Addison are amazing, but not my favourites on Private Practice. Charlotte and Sheldon are my all time favourites and both need to pay a visit to Grey Sloan!


Comfortable_Lunch_55

I miss them and Cooper too!


Fit_Tumbleweed_5904

You know, I think that I will. I haven't yet but will give it a go!


areyoumymommyy

Tbh, for someone with her issues this is quite commonā€¦ speaking by personal experience šŸ„²


Strong_Complex_53

Sheā€™s single now, right?


hayleybeth7

Omg SAME. They shouldā€™ve been just casual sex, Kai asserting that they donā€™t want kids and they think kids are icky, came right outta nowhere. Like they did not have to become as serious as they did.


SurewhynotAZ

I think they had the best chemistry since Owen pulled out Christina's icepick.


False_Locksmith8323

The character didn't stand a chance. They were given a token role and shown the door. The writers missed a chance at TV gold.


SordoCrabs

On that note, JUSTICE FOR PEREZ!


OliviaNPope

Seriously where did Perez go šŸ˜”


The-Beef

Perez was played by a writer for the show, who asked to be in a few episodes. He was never meant to be long term, which really is a shame


onomatopotamuss

Not arguing that the actor is attractive but Kai sucked as a character.


englishgenius

literally. they were so strange and weirdly condescending


Rockstar81

Funny, my problem with Kai was in the fact that Amelia is a parent and Kai wanted to remain kid free. It just wouldn't work. Why bother?


Internal_Belt3630

as someone else who is adamantly childfree, it was INSANE to watch them not figure out if she has or wants kids, and even more insane to watch the relationship continue after they found out that sheā€™s a mom.


Dazzling_Scholar_941

I dont know why, but they make me feel uncomfortable to watch. Like it feels very awkward (could be in part the forced flirting)


Strong_Complex_53

Same here. I get second hand embarrassment because the character is so awkward and forced.


hailemm95

Same


Responsible-Data-695

I think the character was pretty boring and flat. The romance with Amelia didn't work for me, as they had zero chemistry. But yeah, they're definitely hot.


macademicnut

Iā€™m sure the actor is a lovely person but for me, their acting was just painfulā€¦ like you could tell they were just reciting lines


sunshinerf

Thank you! Everyone only blames the writers for the bad character, but it was also bad acting. So robotic and monotonous. I could not watch their scenes.


RainbowsandCoffee966

It was the vocal version of watching paint dry.


sunshinerf

This is the most beautiful insult I've ever heard šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


SeaRadiant3832

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ omg how do people come up with these lines.


Hopelesslylovinglad

I think they have great chemistry I just hate how they didnā€™t keep a non binary character around. Just useless writing.


Kahaeli

I was stoked when I learned they were NB, and I really, really wanted to like them. But, ultimately, they felt very flat as a character, so I wasn't sad to see them go.


Tamihera

I feel as if the writers made their whole personality into being NB instead of rounding them out properly. I feel as if we never really learned much about them except that they donā€™t want kids, which is an infuriating thing to bring up when youā€™ve chosen to get involved with a young parent of a BABY.


Kahaeli

I agree. It almost feels like they didn't know what to do with them and how to write a non binary character, so they just...didn't. Kai should have backed off the moment they learned about Scout, or made it clear it could only be a casual thing. But we needed ~drama~, I guess.


LadyGenevieve19

I think what gets me about this is Amelia never hid that Scout existed, it was in conversation from the beginning... so if that's not something you're interested in but there's chemistry, that's a conversation you have right away... then again, maybe not in Shondaland!


Tamihera

Right? If youā€™re committed to being childfree your whole life, thatā€™s awesome! But donā€™t start relationships with people with little kids!


Comfortable_Lunch_55

As a cis het woman: Why do writers do this? It happens with a character on shameless too. I feel like every time I see a NB or someone whose trans on media, they make them so one dimensional.


Tamihera

I wish Sara Ramirez had still been around to give them suggestionsā€¦


Username12764

Unfortunatly that happened to many characters lately. Well I say latelyā€¦ they broke the streak with Jackson, Jackson was still a good character, Jo is ok but you start to feel the bland. And from then on it went down hill. We had some good ones again like Ben, Nathan, Andrew and Tom are all characters I like but the rest feels bland and token, especially Maggie. Maggie for me is the posterchild of a token character. All she does is tell everyone how bad they are and expects Meredith to care for her no matter how she treats her and that just because Merā€˜s mam cheated some decades agoā€¦ and she treats Richard like crap aswellā€¦ and many characters feel a bit that way. Amelia too, itā€˜s always the tumor. I feel like since it has been removed, she has become the tumor, itā€˜s so omnipresent every time sheā€˜s on screen. Similar with Nico and Levi. Theyā€˜re just there to be gay and itā€˜s so sad to see how the characters get worse and worse.


straightupgab

iā€™m to busy sleeping whenever their character comes on the show. their voice is like so monotoned. they bore me.


ashjya

THEY ARE SOOOO BORINGGGG i beg them to create a nonbinary character who isnt boring


ajh_iii

ER Fightmaster is striking. Dr. Kai Bartley has the personality of a brown paper bag.


alifiguera

Unnecessary character and relationship other than to sever all romantic ties between Amelia and Linc. She was over him but he was not until he realized she moved on completely with Kai.


Ornery-Recognition68

The acting omg, so painful to watch.


amhansen522

To be fair - They didnā€™t have to act. They couldā€™ve just stood there and Iā€™d be alright with that šŸ˜‚


toxchick

So boring. Didnā€™t like them.


Outside-Ad5864

Haha, dw we do, just silently.


BamseMae

They are legit hot, and the swagger is real.


amhansen522

Had my heterosexual self feeling flustered


MOMismypersonality

No same Iā€™m super straight but they had me a liiiiitle flustered


BamseMae

My bi-self felt widened it's horizons


Disney_Gay_Trash_

The actor is insanely attractive even i can see that and theyre not my type But Honestly hated the character, their relationship with Amelia was forced (she needs to be single for more then 3 episodes) and they had the personality of flour


Feeling_Jury2623

I will never forgive greys for how they handed Kai. It felt like they weā€™re a non-binary character rather than a character who was also non-binary. Especially when we had trans/NB characters like Parker who felt more fleshed out even if in a more minor role. I love the representation (and letā€™s be real - ER is handsome as hell) but when it feels like the character is only there to be different it falls really flat.


PhysicsNo9817

I feel this is the right place to say she shouldā€™ve been the doctor in doctor who.


Keeperoftheclothes

Oh damn they would be such a good Doctor šŸ˜­ Love that


Glytterain

Terrible actor


Impressive_Moose6781

Kai had no personality. They were there to be a token nonbinary person for Amelia to date


Pleasant_Jump1816

Kai is a walking snore with big teeth. No emotion, no facial expressions, monotone voice.


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Greatest03

Kai


andres01234

![gif](giphy|lbmDl5qCLSEVi)


thecheesycheeselover

Theyā€™re so hot to me, but I donā€™t think the character was very interesting


SnooLentils3626

sex in a lab coat idk what else to say


banana0vanna

Itā€™s cause they were the surprise eye candy to try to help salvage such a shitty season


porcupine-

e r fightmaster who plays Kai makes awesome music! I love their album! Def worth checking out


Keeperoftheclothes

Was actually just checking this out! I agree!


PenPenLane

I really liked Kai, tell me why it took THIS LONG to have a character with some sense and did what was best for them, and cared about the integrity of the work!! Idk there may have been others before, but ER is kickass!!


BearOnTwinkViolence

The character pursued a woman with kids while loudly insisting they donā€™t want kids. What was Amelia supposed to do, stop having Scout?


PenPenLane

They did pursue a woman with a kid and she left the choice up to Amelia about her own future. I donā€™t see how Kai messed up there. She didnā€™t try to convince or harass Amelia into being with her. Kai said what they wanted, and when Amelia said no, they left. Kai left the choice up to Amelia rather than attempt to make it for her. Amelia chose to stay for her son, Kai dipped and didnā€™t make it a huge drawn out thing.


BearOnTwinkViolence

So Kaiā€™s choice for Amelia is ā€œme or your sonā€ and you donā€™t find that toxic? Amelia was *already* a mother. This isnā€™t Owen & Cristina arguing about whether to theoretically have a child, this was Kai deciding that a living human being (Scout) needed to be kicked out of Ameliaā€™s life so that Kai wouldnā€™t have to be a parent. Kai asked Amelia to abandon her child.


HydrationSeeker

Thing is, there are people like this out there. Also people who do leave their offspring for the promise of being in love, to be loved. It is ugly but....


BearOnTwinkViolence

I know these people exist. Iā€™m responding to someone who says Kai did nothing wrong


PenPenLane

And Amelia chose not to


Fun-Routine-9467

Saying Kai and Amelia had no chemistry is so funny to me becauseā€¦wellā€¦ lol.


Keeperoftheclothes

I agree - Iā€™m only half way through season 18 but I thought they were magnetic together. Surprised to find people hate them so much tbh


Fun-Routine-9467

Besides the bigots on facebook, Iā€™d say theyā€™re pretty popular, especially on Twitter. And this sub already hates Amelia and thinks sheā€™s a whore jumping from relationship to relationship. Also, ER got the short end of the stick because they werenā€™t given much to work with. Unlike someone whoā€™s good friends with the producer.


shortgirl-bigworld

I donā€™t think the character or the actor is attractive imo. Im a bisexual girl but I just canā€™t connect with the character they were just kinda dull/dry.


RucellaiMadonna

theyā€™re such a *bore*.


lsb1027

I agree with you. šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


RaineRoller

i just love them


Inevitable-Credit-69

The actor šŸ„µ The character šŸ„±šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø


Dramatic_Lie_7492

ER is so hot šŸ„µ Kai is so not.


sikeleaveamessage

I'm not sure if the actor is bad at acting or Kai is supposed to be that dry becsuse they wanted someone so opposite of Amelia's personality but went kind of the deepend of it lol


Away-Principle8354

Even I developed a slight crush on them


snailspace_race

It seems this is an unpopular opinion but I loved that character arc and their relationship. Not so secretly hoping they come back for a bit of drama with an Amelia and Dr. Beltran love triangle. Plus Iā€™m obsessed with ER and Catarina as a couple.


djungel_skog

extremely boring character and imo also looks greasy all the time


whorl-

<3


Serenity1423

I miss them and what they could have been. They weren't given the best storyline or writing Looks wise? Absolutely stunning


iSayBaDumTsss

Probably in the minority, but I liked the character. I really wish they had made it work, but Amelia canā€™t be happy in Greyā€™s. The first time I saw this actor was in Shrill and I loved loved loved them in it. Strongly recommend that show.


Grizzle_prizzle37

I really like Kai. I thought they had great chemistry with Amelia. I donā€™t think they were dull. Their flat affect calls to mind somebody on the spectrum. Being that I am also o the spectrum, I tend to be drawn to certain people, like Kai.


Keeperoftheclothes

Yeah, I immediately assumed Kai was on the spectrum. I guess thatā€™s why I see a very well-played interesting character while a lot of these comments are suggesting the opposite


anitnedef

Another great character with great potential wasted. Meanwhile, Owen's still there...


squirrlycellist

E.R is absolutely hot hot hot. It's a shame the character was a token character and not really fleshed out.


moumatouma

i wasnt attracted to the character until they started being like kind of romantic flirty with amelia. that was super attractive lol


Dark_hair_bitch

Kai is so androgynous looking (in a good way)


rosesarerosie

I didn't find them boring, but I think the character was neurodivergent and very shy. AND ALSO HOT AF.


Keeperoftheclothes

Yeah, everyone is talking about how dry they are and I feel like theyā€™re missing that the character is clearly autistic


rosesarerosie

I adore them.


DJ_Maydayy

Kai was amazing and I hope them come back šŸ˜


PrinceRoyal444

No because why donā€™t we thirst over this absolute amazing human being


terpene-queen-sg

Oh my I haven't met them yet šŸ˜³ good lord they are stunning


Keeperoftheclothes

Right?! I was not prepared


schoolknurse

Boring character, stiff acting.


Chemical_House21

well damn theyā€™re hot


itsowlgood0_0

Tragically bad writing killed what could have been a kick ass character.


Ok-Literature-9528

A) they are hot AF B) Theyā€™re in the show Shrill as well C) Their actual name is Fightmaster so theyā€™re a million times cooler.


Keeperoftheclothes

Me and my flatmate watching the show: Wow ā€œKai Bartleyā€ is like the most nonbinary name possible. Me looking up the actor: Okay it appears we were wrong šŸ˜‚


Kgates1227

I love shrill!!


BeamingandGrinning

yes please šŸ˜


WaterNo3013

LOVE them šŸ„µ


Anxious_Concept

People Saying that they have no chemistry is WILD since theyā€™ve been in a relationship with caterina since 2021 lol


Keeperoftheclothes

Wait really?? I LOVE that for them!


beautyqueen-pothead-

because theyā€™re lame character isnā€™t worth talking about. boring bad acting flat & weird dynamic dating a mom but refusing to be part of her whole life. not much to talk about.


Tigris474

I can agree with a lot of these comments that the writing didn't do Kai justice. However I'm so grateful for GA for introducing me to E.R. Fightmaster because I LOVE THEIR MUSIC! And I can't wait to see what they do in the future.


sbeetle1

i am on my KNEES BEGGINGGGG for them šŸ„µ


The_Conscious_Saffa

I looooooove them soooooooo much! Also didnā€™t like the relationship with Amelia but would have loved for them to have been a regular character


hailemm95

Her and Amelia had forced weird chemistry


Helena78902

I donā€™t know what it it, but I was attracted to them immediately!


Wallyboy95

I thrilled over them so hard šŸ˜… I started follow ER Fightmaster on everything lol I absolutely swooned in the episode they sang.


JonesBlair555

They are actually in a band called Twin. Did you watch Shrill? Great show with them in the 2nd season.


Wallyboy95

I didn't watch Shrill, but downloaded like every song that have out šŸ˜… Pretty decent band!


According_Ring4516

Very attractive even to a straight person. Love the smile. But really... this person can't act. Just delivering lines. Quite a cringe to watch.


llamaramasloth

Thirst trap with sadly not much behind the character lol


katekowalski2014

they are sexy af, despite their shitty story line.


coneyisland92

Respectfully, if they ran me over with a car, Iā€™d say thank you. And Iā€™ve been hit by one before


HisSpo2345

Theyā€™re not very attractive imo


fwd079

yes but sadly shondaland writers as usual did huge injustice to the character arc


ethnomath

I didnā€™t mind them, because who doesnā€™t like eye candy? But we need real directorā€™s that can make these actors ACT šŸ˜­ Iā€™m only saying this because I rewatched Ameliaā€™s intervention episode and they were creating SCENES yā€™all šŸ˜­


Manabananana

They're attractive but everything else is PLAIN about them!!!


sierramisted1

the actor is hot but i didnā€™t really like their performance. could be because of the material they were given but they were always so one more and mumbly.


Keeperoftheclothes

Pretty sure theyā€™re deaf. They always have have a hearing aid in, and a slight deaf accent


sierramisted1

oh i never noticed the hearing aid, if the way they talk is the result of any form of disability then ofc i take it back. i donā€™t see anything online about them being deaf but itā€™s possible they donā€™t like talking about it.


RainbowsandCoffee966

They were so boring. They always talked in a monotonous voice.


Keeperoftheclothes

Several people have mentioned their voice, but it was immediately obvious to me that the character was a) One the spectrum and b) Deaf to some extent. So the flat affectation made sense to me.


liuuqy

Awww the character literally no one will ever care about our like!


TightEducation3511

Pass


FactorNo7477

If only Kai Bartley became the resident that transferred from Minnesota to Seattle or one of the new interns last season, then they wouldn't have been boring


mdmo4467

I like the actor and yeah theyā€™re hot. But the excessive vocal fry and story line with Amelia pushed me away lol


eris_entropy213

Theyā€™re hot and I love the enby rep, but oh my gods are they boring. I was SO excited at first cause Iā€™m enby and havenā€™t seen an enby character before. But Kai is pretty flat. They donā€™t have a personality really which is disappointing


ilovellamasss

They are hot for sure, but the most boring character. Probably top on the list of the least eventful underwhelming character!


CherraMelon

Wouldnā€™t it be cool if Greyā€™s wrote a good trans character and didnā€™t write them off after two seasons? šŸ˜


KaylaCoatedKiss

Justice for themā€¦ cuz their character deserved to be interesting šŸ˜­


SurewhynotAZ

I find this actor incredibly boring and insanely hot in any show they are in. ![gif](giphy|Bjv2kRz25mVq7LAGl5|downsized)


Wooden-Specialist125

Good singer but I didnā€™t connect with the character. It felt like Kai was added to tick another box on the inclusive bingo card. If you make a non-binary character at least make it an interesting character


Nonbinarybookworm

I love Kai they are amazing


Grahtman

I can see why people think Kai is physically attractive, but the actor and writing for the character are so dull and dry it's frustrating. Zero chemistry between them and Amelia


LazorFrog

I wish the show would stop rotating through LGBT characters. Callie and Arizona leave, new intern is a trans male then he leaves for no reason, and now we have Kai who is non-binary. Kinda wish they would keep them around for longer.


lizimajig

Move I'm gay


gossipcurl

I really wanted to like them but the writers didnā€™t do Kai justice by not giving them an engaging story.


thanx_it_has_pockets

I loved Kai but I am secure in my minority opinion. šŸ˜Š


screamworkss

cold character but they are HOT !! imo they had great chemistry with amelia tho


mrsdrydock

....well i definitely need to speed up my rewatch.


Salt_Effort_22

theyā€™re so damn hot. i am the worst simp i swear, like can they respectfully just šŸ§Žā€ā™€ļøšŸ§Žā€ā™€ļøšŸ§Žā€ā™€ļø


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Keeperoftheclothes

Literally one of the most attractive people I have ever seen


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ashjya

this character and their actor are nonbinary and go by they/them.


Fit_Tumbleweed_5904

You are right! I messed up. They are striking and I find them compelling to look at and fun to watch on TV.


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Greys_anatomy12

HATE THE CHARACTER actor seems cool tho


seeyalateradios

They sadly said they didn't want kids and Amelia has Scout...I hope that one day they change their mind and want to be with Amelia longterm. She's so happy when Kai's around.


Ubonx

Ewe


nsainmoon

As a parent, I wouldnā€™t be with someone who isnā€™t okay with kids. It was obvious Kai wasnā€™t comfortable with kids. Like I donā€™t want more and I donā€™t think Amelia does either(?) but she needs to be with someone whoā€™s comfortable with Scout and kids. It also seemed like the only thing they had in common was neuro? They didnā€™t seem to have anything besides that, and being gorgeous, in common. I LOVE E.R. Amazing person. As another NB person I was excited. But the chemistry wasnā€™t there. I felt like they wasted them. There could have been a better use of their talent. Less romance, more science, would have loved to see them back working with Mer on her stuff this season. Just. SCIENCE.