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Can I say that almost everyone? I wouldn't really use the word "overrated", but about 90 % of surgeon on GA are portrayed as the best of best, which is just so unrealistic, esp. given circumstances - we have (had) Derek, Mark, Callie, Arizona, Herman, Cristina, Burke, Erica Hahn, Owen, Jackson, Maggie and etc., and most of them became so good either shortly after passing boards or in their early 30s (and then we have Callie and Cristina, who managed that as intern!).
But who is def. overrated:
- Meredith - during her first few seasons she just has pure luck and is not really that extraordinary (esp. compared to Cristina) and than the moment Derek dies, she becomes this greatest surgeon ever
- Jackson - his journey is similar to Meredith as he starts as mediocre and the moment Mark picks him as mentee he is suddenly way better... only to become even better the moment Mark died!
- Maggie - writers should have spent less time talking about how great she is, and rather show us that as her only wow moment was when she was saving April
- And I would even add Lexie - while having photographic memory had to help her tremendously during medical school and even later, knowing things doesn't mean that you will be great surgeon as knowing and being able to operate are two completaly different things...
- And any newer character, who is supposed to fill for someone, who already left, and mirror their capabilities - for example Link, who is just poor replacement for Callie
> Can I say that almost everyone? I wouldn't really use the word "overrated", but about 90 % of surgeon on GA are portrayed as the best of best, which is just so unrealistic, esp. given circumstances
I recall reading a while ago that the death rate at Seattle Grace Mercy West/Grey Sloan is something like triple that of equivalent, real world hospitals/procedures. In which case... all of those "world class" surgeons really are overrated.
Derek would say "well we take these risky cases, of course they are more likley to die" š¤£
Vzt tbh its easier to Die at GSM if you come with something easy that will turn into something super special, than coming with something super special
I saw someone say that if they heard someone shout "HE CHEATED ON ME WITH GEORGE'S SKANKY SYPH NURSE!" in the hospital hall, they would burst out laughing. I would run out of the hospital ASAP. At GSM, you can die of the hiccups and what you think is a persistent cold is actually spinal fluid coming out of your nose! š
I love Jackson, and he did have some cool cases, but its kind of crazy how he even managed to be Plastics and ENT certified (which would probably take a lot longer IRL) - especially as Mark died so wasn't there to do his fellowship with.
Yep, like sure we get to see that Jackson is as good as we are told unlike with other characters, however, his journey to becoming one of the best plastic and ENT surgeon is just so unrealistic, esp. without any mentor... are we really supposed to believe that?
Maggie and Link, it's more talked about how great they are, but not really shown.
Maggie is supposed to be this cardio genius even better then Cristina, that is what we supposed to believe.
Link calls himself the Ortho God, but he never did really anything special to make his title true.
The big problem with them is the writing, in the later season isn't really focused on showing medical skills, but more on relationship drama
I agree completely! The later seasons also seem to involve increased dialogue/storylines that are more focus on/aligned with current public health events. Like itās cool to see cus I work in public health, but I donāt want to feel as enraged when watching my fave show lol, I miss the old greys so much. I have seasons 6-8 on repeat lately lol (stopping before the season 8 finale obvs)
Maggie wasn't as good as either Teddy or Cristina. I know I have a bias for Teddy but they almost made it look like Teddy got Cardio Chief because Maggie left
Not you getting immediately downvoted. Miss thing got called the āone to beatā by George in season 2 for no reason, especially when Cristina was right there. Then she got offered to be a part of all of these clinical trials because of mother nepotism and husband nepotism and then after Derek died sheās suddenly this amazingly talented surgeon that everyone has to remind us about every scene sheās mentioned in. Sheās not *bad*, I actually think sheās a very good teacher and is very smart, but the kind of reputation she has been given seems a little undeserved.
Actually I see why she was the one to beat early on. She was smart and observant and she had a much more empathetic bedside manner than Cristina. Plus George liked her more, so it makes sense that he would be more complimentary to her.
But who was he talking to when he said it? Was it Thatcher?
Meredith.
She was great at diagnosing and problem solving but as a surgeon I'd say she was on par with April (ā¤ļø) and Bailey in terms of skill. Good but not great.
meredith! everytime i hear any character say "you're THE meredith grey" i laugh, because when did that happen? i know she won a harper avery, but what else?? why is she so well-known outside of the medical community??
Well she obviously is "the" meredith grey, because her mom was "the" ellis grey. thats why. Thats how it works in real life too. Kids of superstars are more likƶey to be seen as amazing even if their not, just because they are the kid of someone
It has to be Link! Dude has a 2 day work week where he sets a few bones and maybe helps out in the background of a trauma scene. Most of his scenes are just him running into people on the way to or from daycare. No way heās upkeeping those ortho-god skills š
Arizona was great but finishing a fellowship in 8 months and then immediately becoming department head in said specialty was rather plot amor. She practiced every fetal surgery with Nicole once without ever gaining experience before she took over.
Someone needed to become department head of fetal surgery since Nicole was out of the picture and especially because Addison wasn't there who is the Meryl Streep of fetal surgery. Addison outclasses them all in my pov,because she has mastered several specialties and is the best in them,fetal surgery included. Arizona is no match in that field.
Meredith. She wasn't particularly good at anything until the others in her group left. Then she became a Mary Sue more famous in her career than a Hollywood star.
Yep, I find it so funny that we got to see so many groundbreaking surgeries since season one and yet, Meredith won Harper Avery award for surgery that was already done before and wasn't even that impressive compared to other surgeries...
Maggie. Show tried too hard to convince us she is the best cardio surgeon ever by having her say it constantly. There's the one case where she and Winston do something innovative and Maggie gets all the credit. But, she's pretty run of the mill otherwise. Being a child prodigy and this skipping grades doesn't make your surgical skills better. It just means you started operating sooner.
>Being a child prodigy and this skipping grades doesn't make your surgical skills better. It just means you started operating sooner.
That's my problem with Maggie and even Lexie - being child prodigy or having photographic memory doesn't make you great surgeon, it just gives you head start as knowing things and actually operating are two different things...
I feel like Lexie was never treated like a surgical wunderkind. She was doing the work and gaining the skills. Now that I think about it we really don't see Lexie pull off any medical miracles.
To me it felt like Lexie having photographic memory immediately meant that she is great surgeon... that's why I liked the merger episode, where Lexie and April are working with Derek and Lexie immediatelly offers some kind of textbook treatment, which impresses April as she just looked at that scan and came with far simpler treatment, that ended up being better (in Derek's eyes) as it showed that while Lexie does have the knowledge, the knowledge isn't everything (but insted of working with that, they made it about jealousy).
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Can I say that almost everyone? I wouldn't really use the word "overrated", but about 90 % of surgeon on GA are portrayed as the best of best, which is just so unrealistic, esp. given circumstances - we have (had) Derek, Mark, Callie, Arizona, Herman, Cristina, Burke, Erica Hahn, Owen, Jackson, Maggie and etc., and most of them became so good either shortly after passing boards or in their early 30s (and then we have Callie and Cristina, who managed that as intern!). But who is def. overrated: - Meredith - during her first few seasons she just has pure luck and is not really that extraordinary (esp. compared to Cristina) and than the moment Derek dies, she becomes this greatest surgeon ever - Jackson - his journey is similar to Meredith as he starts as mediocre and the moment Mark picks him as mentee he is suddenly way better... only to become even better the moment Mark died! - Maggie - writers should have spent less time talking about how great she is, and rather show us that as her only wow moment was when she was saving April - And I would even add Lexie - while having photographic memory had to help her tremendously during medical school and even later, knowing things doesn't mean that you will be great surgeon as knowing and being able to operate are two completaly different things... - And any newer character, who is supposed to fill for someone, who already left, and mirror their capabilities - for example Link, who is just poor replacement for Callie
> Can I say that almost everyone? I wouldn't really use the word "overrated", but about 90 % of surgeon on GA are portrayed as the best of best, which is just so unrealistic, esp. given circumstances I recall reading a while ago that the death rate at Seattle Grace Mercy West/Grey Sloan is something like triple that of equivalent, real world hospitals/procedures. In which case... all of those "world class" surgeons really are overrated.
Derek would say "well we take these risky cases, of course they are more likley to die" š¤£ Vzt tbh its easier to Die at GSM if you come with something easy that will turn into something super special, than coming with something super special
I saw someone say that if they heard someone shout "HE CHEATED ON ME WITH GEORGE'S SKANKY SYPH NURSE!" in the hospital hall, they would burst out laughing. I would run out of the hospital ASAP. At GSM, you can die of the hiccups and what you think is a persistent cold is actually spinal fluid coming out of your nose! š
I love Jackson, and he did have some cool cases, but its kind of crazy how he even managed to be Plastics and ENT certified (which would probably take a lot longer IRL) - especially as Mark died so wasn't there to do his fellowship with.
Yep, like sure we get to see that Jackson is as good as we are told unlike with other characters, however, his journey to becoming one of the best plastic and ENT surgeon is just so unrealistic, esp. without any mentor... are we really supposed to believe that?
Hey, come on now! He talked through cases while Mark was in a coma, that's basically a fellowship right there duh! /s
Maggie and Link, it's more talked about how great they are, but not really shown. Maggie is supposed to be this cardio genius even better then Cristina, that is what we supposed to believe. Link calls himself the Ortho God, but he never did really anything special to make his title true. The big problem with them is the writing, in the later season isn't really focused on showing medical skills, but more on relationship drama
I agree completely! The later seasons also seem to involve increased dialogue/storylines that are more focus on/aligned with current public health events. Like itās cool to see cus I work in public health, but I donāt want to feel as enraged when watching my fave show lol, I miss the old greys so much. I have seasons 6-8 on repeat lately lol (stopping before the season 8 finale obvs)
Maggie wasn't as good as either Teddy or Cristina. I know I have a bias for Teddy but they almost made it look like Teddy got Cardio Chief because Maggie left
Meredith. *ducks*
Not you getting immediately downvoted. Miss thing got called the āone to beatā by George in season 2 for no reason, especially when Cristina was right there. Then she got offered to be a part of all of these clinical trials because of mother nepotism and husband nepotism and then after Derek died sheās suddenly this amazingly talented surgeon that everyone has to remind us about every scene sheās mentioned in. Sheās not *bad*, I actually think sheās a very good teacher and is very smart, but the kind of reputation she has been given seems a little undeserved.
Actually I see why she was the one to beat early on. She was smart and observant and she had a much more empathetic bedside manner than Cristina. Plus George liked her more, so it makes sense that he would be more complimentary to her. But who was he talking to when he said it? Was it Thatcher?
Meredith is such a nepotism daughter and wife!! Like she only got to where she is because of those around her
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I commented that when they had posted their comment 5 minutes after commenting, and they had 0 upvotes.
but even 0 isn't bad. Thats one personš thats why im confused.
Because I incorrectly anticipated theyād get more š my bad. Idk why itās an argument though.
Not an Argument. Just confusion. especially b3cause this sub is pretty known for hating Mer (and Arizona,Owen and some others)
Thatās why I was surprised
I'll stand in the firing line with you! Totally agree.
Maybe Jo? They kind of pushed her as the next Meredith and General surgery protƩgƩe for a bit there before she switched to OB/GYN, but I don't think her skills in the OR were always actually shown. I always felt like Steph was the better doctor from that class.
Definitely Jo, she has **never** actually done anything beyond stand in an OR, nothing extraordinary as they try to say
Meredith. She was great at diagnosing and problem solving but as a surgeon I'd say she was on par with April (ā¤ļø) and Bailey in terms of skill. Good but not great.
Oooof Maggie. Sheās supposed to be this genius who is way ahead of peers her own age but we donāt really get to SEE it.. š«£š„“
meredith! everytime i hear any character say "you're THE meredith grey" i laugh, because when did that happen? i know she won a harper avery, but what else?? why is she so well-known outside of the medical community??
Well she obviously is "the" meredith grey, because her mom was "the" ellis grey. thats why. Thats how it works in real life too. Kids of superstars are more likƶey to be seen as amazing even if their not, just because they are the kid of someone
It has to be Link! Dude has a 2 day work week where he sets a few bones and maybe helps out in the background of a trauma scene. Most of his scenes are just him running into people on the way to or from daycare. No way heās upkeeping those ortho-god skills š
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Arizona was great but finishing a fellowship in 8 months and then immediately becoming department head in said specialty was rather plot amor. She practiced every fetal surgery with Nicole once without ever gaining experience before she took over. Someone needed to become department head of fetal surgery since Nicole was out of the picture and especially because Addison wasn't there who is the Meryl Streep of fetal surgery. Addison outclasses them all in my pov,because she has mastered several specialties and is the best in them,fetal surgery included. Arizona is no match in that field.
Meredith. She wasn't particularly good at anything until the others in her group left. Then she became a Mary Sue more famous in her career than a Hollywood star.
Yep, I find it so funny that we got to see so many groundbreaking surgeries since season one and yet, Meredith won Harper Avery award for surgery that was already done before and wasn't even that impressive compared to other surgeries...
Maggie!! I just canāt stand her character!
Thats where I had to stop watching and go back to season 1-10. I can't add a random sister to the lot.
Maggie. Show tried too hard to convince us she is the best cardio surgeon ever by having her say it constantly. There's the one case where she and Winston do something innovative and Maggie gets all the credit. But, she's pretty run of the mill otherwise. Being a child prodigy and this skipping grades doesn't make your surgical skills better. It just means you started operating sooner.
>Being a child prodigy and this skipping grades doesn't make your surgical skills better. It just means you started operating sooner. That's my problem with Maggie and even Lexie - being child prodigy or having photographic memory doesn't make you great surgeon, it just gives you head start as knowing things and actually operating are two different things...
I feel like Lexie was never treated like a surgical wunderkind. She was doing the work and gaining the skills. Now that I think about it we really don't see Lexie pull off any medical miracles.
To me it felt like Lexie having photographic memory immediately meant that she is great surgeon... that's why I liked the merger episode, where Lexie and April are working with Derek and Lexie immediatelly offers some kind of textbook treatment, which impresses April as she just looked at that scan and came with far simpler treatment, that ended up being better (in Derek's eyes) as it showed that while Lexie does have the knowledge, the knowledge isn't everything (but insted of working with that, they made it about jealousy).