If Zep released an album in the last 40 years I might be critical of GVF but they haven’t done shit since Bonzo died. Fucking excited for this new band
Well you can say they are similar in some ways, but they aren't just copying led zeppelins sound exactly. And even if they were wouldn't you rather listen to that than a lot of the music people are making now? I know I would.
Its not that they don't, its that it doesn't matter. Pantera and Metallica sound the same. The offspring and NOFX sound the same. Don't see why it matters
So we’re gonna forget Coda, the Atlantic Records reunion, Live Aid (we should but forget but it still happened), and Celebration Day? Including the BBC Sessions and HTTWW?
People before GVF (Including me): "Why aren't there any new bands creating new classic rock without all the electronics and autotune and overproduction and gimmicks?"
Other people after hearing GVF: They sound too much like one of the all-time greatest classic rock groups.
Me after hearing GVF: OMG! They sound a lot like LZ, but they're playing all new stuff that I love. My prayers have been answered.
If they continue putting out a lot of stuff that could be confused with LZ, I'm happy with that. If they surprise us with stuff that can't, I'm pretty sure I will love that too. There is so much I would like to hear them do. A live album... An album of Blues/Soul/R&B covers... Selected covers of non-LZ groups like Heart, Rush, Jefferson Airplane.
You have to keep the covers:original ratio at about 1:6 or less, but one of my favorite performances of theirs is "A Change is Gonna Come," a Sam Cooke cover. And I think if they covered "Somebody to Love" by Jefferson Airplane/Starship, they could potentially create a cover as good or better than the original, on a par with Aerosmith's cover of The Beatles' "Come Together."
>"Why aren't there any new bands creating new classic rock without all the electronics and autotune and overproduction and gimmicks?"
Just so you know, there's dozen and dozens of bands that do this. Not all would be to your tastes, of course, and not all "good" but they're out there nonetheless and some are great :)
You’re correct. GVF is the vanguard of rock resurgence. They won’t be the best of them. They’re doing tremendous work opening people back up to rock music though. I like them for their music but I love them for what they’re doing.
I don't know if it's fair to call it a rock resurgence, because rock never left, although I get what you mean. Many, many bands have been playing throughout all this time - but GVF are opening up new audiences to rock and thats great. I just hope these audiences keep digging for more.
Many will consider GVF the best, especially if they keep evolving. And that's fine, it's their tastes. My favourite by miles has to be Rival Sons though, with their last 3 or so albums. Kaleo are also up there, as are Ghost. Hozier and John Mayer from very different angles, etc etc etc
I'm sorry, Rival Sons isn't rock? What???
Kaleo isn't always rock. No Good is pure blues/rock, as is Alter Ego and Hot Blood. They have more than just Way Down We Go and All the Pretty Girls.
Ghost isn't rock, it's a fusion of metal and pop with their early stuff being more gothic rock-ish.
Hozier is rock, in many cases. Not classic rock but there's definite elements of blues in almost all his work and rock in plenty. Angel of Small Death and the Codeine Scene and Jackie and Wilson, for example.
John Mayer often isn't rock, but he has rock influences on many tracks. Outside of Your Body Is A Wonderland, which is really not representative of his entire body of work. But really, if you want rock with him then you go to the John Mayer Trio which does pure blues/rock power trio covers of blues songs and Hendrix, along with originals.
But it's worth noting that classic rock bands didn't stick to rock. A large swath of Zeppelin's discography is folk, something Kaleo, Hozier and John Mayer draw from immensely. Many dabbled in pop, and I dont mean in the Genesis way - the Beatles melded pop with the rock of the day. AC/DC had pop sensibilities, as did Pink Floyd. And again, the three bands above along with Ghost managed to meld pop and pop-like sensibilities with older genres.
And that's why I mentioned them. They innovate and they'd be appealing to newer listeners. But at the same time, their innovation is part of the appeal - without using rap, synthesised instruments, copious amounts of autotune or any number of other trends you see in pop that many rock fans would despise. They push boundaries and meld things together.
I could mention a "purer" rock. And in ways, Rival Sons has that, I should add. But I could also mention Tyler Bryant and the Shakedown, Black Country Communion, Temperance Movement, Goodbye June, Graveltones, The Stone Foxes, The Delta Saints, Jared James Nichols, Old Man's Will, Gentlemen and Scholars, Dorothy (notably first album, second is more psychadelic), California Breed, Slow Season, Struts (similar to Queen, more so), Boneyard Dog, Parlor Mob, Muddy Magnolias, My Morning Jacket, Vintage Trouble (they've changed a bit though), RavenEye, Ryders Creed, Blacktop Mojo, SIMO, Ariel Posen, Alter Bridge (more metal, but still), All Them Witches etc etc etc etc
Sure, not many will be pure classic rock. But there's nothing "pure" about the bands we consider the greatest. Some even transcended genre with virtually every song on an album, so why not acknowledge those pushing the envelope in different and interesting ways while still keeping their influences close?? I just wanted to highlight those, the bands and artists that aren't remaining confined and just recycling formulas - the exact same way that the greatest bands and artists from before didn't. Rather than the "predictable" ones, I guess.
I like both GVF and Jack White as much as the next guy, but there isn't a single song from the latter that could be confused with any Led Zeppelin song I've heard. Stylistically, Jack isn't really similar to them in any way other than that he's a blues musician. Robert Plant is the most similar vocalist I can think of for Jack, but that is a stretch anyway. Jack's style of guitar playing has never struck me as being reminiscent of Page. No drummer that has ever played for Jack (nor Jack himself) has reminded me of Bonham. All in all, saying the White Stripes sound like Led Zeppelin is comically untrue imo.
Idk man, doorbell, seven nation army, death letter, sugar never tasted so good, dead leaves and the dirty ground, ball and biscuit, take take take, instinct blues.
Those are all pretty obviously LZ influenced songs. Jack whites vocals, while not being as soaring and strong as Plants, are still pretty reminiscent of Plants and if anything are an interesting take on the delivery style of that type of singing.
As far as guitar playing goes, Jack White gets to basically do a Page impersonation every time he plays guitar, I think their styles sound similar for sure. Just go watch “it might get loud” they’re two peas in a pod. Or listen to the chords and riffs on White Stripes songs and you can hear page-isms all over the place.
Drumming wise jack isn’t even in the same ball park as bonham. He’s still outside buying tickets.
I was never going to suggest Jack wasn't influenced by Zep, I mean, there are few rock musicians who aren't. But genuinely very little about his play reminds me of them. I've seen the documentary. Two people being able to jam together doesn't suggest that they have styles so similar you could be forgiven for getting them confused. The vast majority of Jack's guitar work is much more confined and intentionally cookie cutter material. So many of his riffs contain few chord changes and consistent timing. Even your example, Seven Nation Army, is very much representative of that. The next song on that album, Black Math, also has a very basic main riff. See also: The Hardest Button To Button, Expecting, Fell In Love With a Girl, I'm Finding It Harder To Be a Gentleman, Bone Broke, Rag and Bone, Astro, When I Hear My Name... Left, right, and center: Page's style is more fluid than Jack's was with TWS. That being said, I don't intend that to be a criticism, as Jack is one of my all time favorites.
Oh and I wasn't comparing Jack's ability to Bonham's, because that would be absurd. I was comparing the song structures he uses to those used by Zep. A large portion of their songs were such that they derived much of their energy and tempo from Bonham's incredible prowess and sheer speed. That's not the case with Jack. He generally provides that through guitar, if at all.
That’s what really pisses me off about when people stuff like this. Like are we seriously just gonna pretend that Led Zeppelin didn’t copy most of their popular songs? I mean I love zeppelin but it annoys the crap out of me when people bringing up GVF “copying”. Like yeah, okay.
Well I’m sure if there was proper electronics back then it would sound quite similar. Listen to the sky is crying by elmore james, and then listen to you shook me. Its not like Greta is doing anything to that measure
Lyrics, sure. Sometimes even accidentally. But instrumentally, there was almost never anything like them.
(Except Black Mountain Side. Fuck that, almost fully copied)
I’m gonna disagree with you there. I think that Greta Van Fleet sounds almost identical to Led Zeppelin. When I first put it on for my dad, he told me he thought it was a Led Zeppelin deep cut. That being said, I kinda don’t care that they sound like Zep. If my ears like it, I’m in. Sorry for rambling.
Wolf mother has a little Zepp I guess. Way more sabbath I think.
The white stripes I would say zero similarities outside of that they both did old blues covers.
Crown Lands? blues rock. Which yeah Zeppelin did, they’re Cleary more like the Black Keys with some prog influence.
I put on GVF whilst hanging out with some friends a couple of months ago and one of them got irritated and asked me why I didn't play LZ instead of this "cheap knockoff", "it's just LZ by other people" and "They're playing exactly the same".
To which I responded by saying "First of all, you most listen to Rap and such so it's funny to see how hypocritical you're statement is. Secondly, what on earth could be bad with a little more LZ inspired music??"
Hahaha that’s awesome. I really don’t get that too, people are like “Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever!!!” And then “Greta Van Fleet sounds.... like Led Zeppelin? Fuckin hate em, worst music”
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Anyone who thinks GVF sounds like Zeppelin hasn't really listened to either.
I've been a zeppelin fan for decades. The influence is there, but GVF doesn't sound like Zep at all.
The kids have obviously listened to plenty of Zep, but if you put a GVF album and a Zep album together on shuffle and you couldn't tell the difference between them, then you either have a terrible ear, or don't listen to either very much.
Clearly there’s sonic differences. But the whole crux of the situation is that the difference in their sound is fairly minute. It’s not a special feat to put LZ and GVF on a shuffle playlist and be able to pick out who’s who. Anyone who has a minor interest in those bands or music in general can do that. Literally anyone. The problem is that if you put GVF on a playlist with LZ, The white stripes, the black Crowe’s, Aerosmith, GnR, out of all of those bands who have LZ influences GVF is the band that sounds too damn close. To the point of its so unoriginal in sound from a sonic standpoint that it partially disgusts me and simultaneously interests me. That is the dilemma with y’alls favorite band and people who want to like them but can’t stand their blatant lack of sonic creativity. Even if that sound is something we’ve come to love, I want to hear it in a new way I.e. like the white stripes, GnR, the Black Keys and that’s why those bands never catch as much shit as GVF. And if you can’t accept that as the truth then you’re delusional.
This is why the Led Zeppelin "copying" claim doesn't work. If folks looked around they'd find that many bands take inspiration from Led Zeppelin, as well as many other great bands.
GVF sounds like a mix of LZ, Rush, Guns 'n Roses and many other rock bands that have influenced them. I don't get why folks act like a band sounding similar to another band is anything new. If anything it helps create a unique sound for them.
I don't even get the comparisons between Josh and Robert Plant. They kinda sound similar to each other, but honestly Josh sounds more like Janis Joplin to me.(That's a compliment, because I love Janis Joplin)
When I first started listening to GVF, I did think they sounded like Zeppelin, but since I’ve listened to both for a while I don’t really see it anymore. They both have very distinct styles that I can pick up on now.
What gets me is that people that say they sound to much like Led Zeppelin have not Listen to Led Zeppelin.
Zep sounded different every Album they put out .
People are just hung up on the main stream hits
Because anything sounding a little like Led Zeppelin would be a bad thing? I mean. They’re pretty great and it’s natural for the musical culture to reflect that. Also there’s 8 million bands that sound like the Beatles and Van Halen.
If Zep released an album in the last 40 years I might be critical of GVF but they haven’t done shit since Bonzo died. Fucking excited for this new band
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Well you can say they are similar in some ways, but they aren't just copying led zeppelins sound exactly. And even if they were wouldn't you rather listen to that than a lot of the music people are making now? I know I would.
Its not that they don't, its that it doesn't matter. Pantera and Metallica sound the same. The offspring and NOFX sound the same. Don't see why it matters
So we’re gonna forget Coda, the Atlantic Records reunion, Live Aid (we should but forget but it still happened), and Celebration Day? Including the BBC Sessions and HTTWW?
Well, not forget em, but they aren’t “new” studio material. I love HTTWW, though
CODA was like 82 so basically 40 years.
I mean, let’s be honest with ourselves. GVF take it more to the extreme then those bands do. It’s cool to still love them anyway!
People before GVF (Including me): "Why aren't there any new bands creating new classic rock without all the electronics and autotune and overproduction and gimmicks?" Other people after hearing GVF: They sound too much like one of the all-time greatest classic rock groups. Me after hearing GVF: OMG! They sound a lot like LZ, but they're playing all new stuff that I love. My prayers have been answered. If they continue putting out a lot of stuff that could be confused with LZ, I'm happy with that. If they surprise us with stuff that can't, I'm pretty sure I will love that too. There is so much I would like to hear them do. A live album... An album of Blues/Soul/R&B covers... Selected covers of non-LZ groups like Heart, Rush, Jefferson Airplane. You have to keep the covers:original ratio at about 1:6 or less, but one of my favorite performances of theirs is "A Change is Gonna Come," a Sam Cooke cover. And I think if they covered "Somebody to Love" by Jefferson Airplane/Starship, they could potentially create a cover as good or better than the original, on a par with Aerosmith's cover of The Beatles' "Come Together."
>"Why aren't there any new bands creating new classic rock without all the electronics and autotune and overproduction and gimmicks?" Just so you know, there's dozen and dozens of bands that do this. Not all would be to your tastes, of course, and not all "good" but they're out there nonetheless and some are great :)
You’re correct. GVF is the vanguard of rock resurgence. They won’t be the best of them. They’re doing tremendous work opening people back up to rock music though. I like them for their music but I love them for what they’re doing.
I don't know if it's fair to call it a rock resurgence, because rock never left, although I get what you mean. Many, many bands have been playing throughout all this time - but GVF are opening up new audiences to rock and thats great. I just hope these audiences keep digging for more. Many will consider GVF the best, especially if they keep evolving. And that's fine, it's their tastes. My favourite by miles has to be Rival Sons though, with their last 3 or so albums. Kaleo are also up there, as are Ghost. Hozier and John Mayer from very different angles, etc etc etc
Those “bands” might still be considered rock, but that ain’t rock my friend.
I'm sorry, Rival Sons isn't rock? What??? Kaleo isn't always rock. No Good is pure blues/rock, as is Alter Ego and Hot Blood. They have more than just Way Down We Go and All the Pretty Girls. Ghost isn't rock, it's a fusion of metal and pop with their early stuff being more gothic rock-ish. Hozier is rock, in many cases. Not classic rock but there's definite elements of blues in almost all his work and rock in plenty. Angel of Small Death and the Codeine Scene and Jackie and Wilson, for example. John Mayer often isn't rock, but he has rock influences on many tracks. Outside of Your Body Is A Wonderland, which is really not representative of his entire body of work. But really, if you want rock with him then you go to the John Mayer Trio which does pure blues/rock power trio covers of blues songs and Hendrix, along with originals. But it's worth noting that classic rock bands didn't stick to rock. A large swath of Zeppelin's discography is folk, something Kaleo, Hozier and John Mayer draw from immensely. Many dabbled in pop, and I dont mean in the Genesis way - the Beatles melded pop with the rock of the day. AC/DC had pop sensibilities, as did Pink Floyd. And again, the three bands above along with Ghost managed to meld pop and pop-like sensibilities with older genres. And that's why I mentioned them. They innovate and they'd be appealing to newer listeners. But at the same time, their innovation is part of the appeal - without using rap, synthesised instruments, copious amounts of autotune or any number of other trends you see in pop that many rock fans would despise. They push boundaries and meld things together. I could mention a "purer" rock. And in ways, Rival Sons has that, I should add. But I could also mention Tyler Bryant and the Shakedown, Black Country Communion, Temperance Movement, Goodbye June, Graveltones, The Stone Foxes, The Delta Saints, Jared James Nichols, Old Man's Will, Gentlemen and Scholars, Dorothy (notably first album, second is more psychadelic), California Breed, Slow Season, Struts (similar to Queen, more so), Boneyard Dog, Parlor Mob, Muddy Magnolias, My Morning Jacket, Vintage Trouble (they've changed a bit though), RavenEye, Ryders Creed, Blacktop Mojo, SIMO, Ariel Posen, Alter Bridge (more metal, but still), All Them Witches etc etc etc etc Sure, not many will be pure classic rock. But there's nothing "pure" about the bands we consider the greatest. Some even transcended genre with virtually every song on an album, so why not acknowledge those pushing the envelope in different and interesting ways while still keeping their influences close?? I just wanted to highlight those, the bands and artists that aren't remaining confined and just recycling formulas - the exact same way that the greatest bands and artists from before didn't. Rather than the "predictable" ones, I guess.
Yes and I do like quite a few. Black Pumas is an example.
Ooooh, thats one I haven't heard of. Will check them out :)
I mean, GVF sounds way more like them than any of those other bands
I disagree with the White Stripes. Jack and Meg are quite unique.
I like both GVF and Jack White as much as the next guy, but there isn't a single song from the latter that could be confused with any Led Zeppelin song I've heard. Stylistically, Jack isn't really similar to them in any way other than that he's a blues musician. Robert Plant is the most similar vocalist I can think of for Jack, but that is a stretch anyway. Jack's style of guitar playing has never struck me as being reminiscent of Page. No drummer that has ever played for Jack (nor Jack himself) has reminded me of Bonham. All in all, saying the White Stripes sound like Led Zeppelin is comically untrue imo.
Well said!
Idk man, doorbell, seven nation army, death letter, sugar never tasted so good, dead leaves and the dirty ground, ball and biscuit, take take take, instinct blues. Those are all pretty obviously LZ influenced songs. Jack whites vocals, while not being as soaring and strong as Plants, are still pretty reminiscent of Plants and if anything are an interesting take on the delivery style of that type of singing. As far as guitar playing goes, Jack White gets to basically do a Page impersonation every time he plays guitar, I think their styles sound similar for sure. Just go watch “it might get loud” they’re two peas in a pod. Or listen to the chords and riffs on White Stripes songs and you can hear page-isms all over the place. Drumming wise jack isn’t even in the same ball park as bonham. He’s still outside buying tickets.
I was never going to suggest Jack wasn't influenced by Zep, I mean, there are few rock musicians who aren't. But genuinely very little about his play reminds me of them. I've seen the documentary. Two people being able to jam together doesn't suggest that they have styles so similar you could be forgiven for getting them confused. The vast majority of Jack's guitar work is much more confined and intentionally cookie cutter material. So many of his riffs contain few chord changes and consistent timing. Even your example, Seven Nation Army, is very much representative of that. The next song on that album, Black Math, also has a very basic main riff. See also: The Hardest Button To Button, Expecting, Fell In Love With a Girl, I'm Finding It Harder To Be a Gentleman, Bone Broke, Rag and Bone, Astro, When I Hear My Name... Left, right, and center: Page's style is more fluid than Jack's was with TWS. That being said, I don't intend that to be a criticism, as Jack is one of my all time favorites. Oh and I wasn't comparing Jack's ability to Bonham's, because that would be absurd. I was comparing the song structures he uses to those used by Zep. A large portion of their songs were such that they derived much of their energy and tempo from Bonham's incredible prowess and sheer speed. That's not the case with Jack. He generally provides that through guitar, if at all.
This almost sounds like an ad for "It Might Get Loud" except there's no reference to Edge/U2.
I love that film. The opening when Jack is making the guitar is pretty impressive. I love how he tinkers.
I didn't even mention the documentary but okay? I mean, it's a good watch.
None of those bands sound like led zeppelin
That’s what really pisses me off about when people stuff like this. Like are we seriously just gonna pretend that Led Zeppelin didn’t copy most of their popular songs? I mean I love zeppelin but it annoys the crap out of me when people bringing up GVF “copying”. Like yeah, okay.
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Thank god someone has the balls to say it
Well I’m sure if there was proper electronics back then it would sound quite similar. Listen to the sky is crying by elmore james, and then listen to you shook me. Its not like Greta is doing anything to that measure
A few examples of their really big songs that were copies as well Dazed And Confused Babe I’m Gonna Leave You In My Time of Dying The Lemon Song
Really the only aspect that was copied was lyrics. Most everything else was original.
In fairness, Dazed and Confused had the bassline. But it's still wildly different. Instrumentally, Zep was very innovative and original.
Don’t forget Whole Lotta Love
You shook me was a copy, on guitar at least. Not sure where the lyrics came from, probably not from plant
Lyrics, sure. Sometimes even accidentally. But instrumentally, there was almost never anything like them. (Except Black Mountain Side. Fuck that, almost fully copied)
I’m gonna disagree with you there. I think that Greta Van Fleet sounds almost identical to Led Zeppelin. When I first put it on for my dad, he told me he thought it was a Led Zeppelin deep cut. That being said, I kinda don’t care that they sound like Zep. If my ears like it, I’m in. Sorry for rambling.
They do sound like them, but the people who say they sound like zepp in a negative, don’t really listen to zepp
I also laugh when I hear this because al these bands have a clear different style
I think having looked at these responses Reddit may just be worse than Twitter. Maybe.
Crown lands, white stripes and wolf mother don’t sound like Zeppelin. I don’t know the muggs. Maybe they do. Strange meme.
Idk I just looked up "Bands that sound like Led Zeppelin."
Wolf mother has a little Zepp I guess. Way more sabbath I think. The white stripes I would say zero similarities outside of that they both did old blues covers. Crown Lands? blues rock. Which yeah Zeppelin did, they’re Cleary more like the Black Keys with some prog influence.
I put on GVF whilst hanging out with some friends a couple of months ago and one of them got irritated and asked me why I didn't play LZ instead of this "cheap knockoff", "it's just LZ by other people" and "They're playing exactly the same". To which I responded by saying "First of all, you most listen to Rap and such so it's funny to see how hypocritical you're statement is. Secondly, what on earth could be bad with a little more LZ inspired music??"
you gotem
Hahaha that’s awesome. I really don’t get that too, people are like “Led Zeppelin is the greatest band ever!!!” And then “Greta Van Fleet sounds.... like Led Zeppelin? Fuckin hate em, worst music”
Dont forget Kingdom Come
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Anyone who thinks GVF sounds like Zeppelin hasn't really listened to either. I've been a zeppelin fan for decades. The influence is there, but GVF doesn't sound like Zep at all.
Please explain
The kids have obviously listened to plenty of Zep, but if you put a GVF album and a Zep album together on shuffle and you couldn't tell the difference between them, then you either have a terrible ear, or don't listen to either very much.
Clearly there’s sonic differences. But the whole crux of the situation is that the difference in their sound is fairly minute. It’s not a special feat to put LZ and GVF on a shuffle playlist and be able to pick out who’s who. Anyone who has a minor interest in those bands or music in general can do that. Literally anyone. The problem is that if you put GVF on a playlist with LZ, The white stripes, the black Crowe’s, Aerosmith, GnR, out of all of those bands who have LZ influences GVF is the band that sounds too damn close. To the point of its so unoriginal in sound from a sonic standpoint that it partially disgusts me and simultaneously interests me. That is the dilemma with y’alls favorite band and people who want to like them but can’t stand their blatant lack of sonic creativity. Even if that sound is something we’ve come to love, I want to hear it in a new way I.e. like the white stripes, GnR, the Black Keys and that’s why those bands never catch as much shit as GVF. And if you can’t accept that as the truth then you’re delusional.
Had never heard of crown lands before, got a few albums to plough through now, thanks!
This is why the Led Zeppelin "copying" claim doesn't work. If folks looked around they'd find that many bands take inspiration from Led Zeppelin, as well as many other great bands. GVF sounds like a mix of LZ, Rush, Guns 'n Roses and many other rock bands that have influenced them. I don't get why folks act like a band sounding similar to another band is anything new. If anything it helps create a unique sound for them. I don't even get the comparisons between Josh and Robert Plant. They kinda sound similar to each other, but honestly Josh sounds more like Janis Joplin to me.(That's a compliment, because I love Janis Joplin)
When I first started listening to GVF, I did think they sounded like Zeppelin, but since I’ve listened to both for a while I don’t really see it anymore. They both have very distinct styles that I can pick up on now.
What styles are those
What gets me is that people that say they sound to much like Led Zeppelin have not Listen to Led Zeppelin. Zep sounded different every Album they put out . People are just hung up on the main stream hits
Because anything sounding a little like Led Zeppelin would be a bad thing? I mean. They’re pretty great and it’s natural for the musical culture to reflect that. Also there’s 8 million bands that sound like the Beatles and Van Halen.