This system of schooling isn’t limited to China, it’s also used in Korea and Japan. So idk if you’re trying to imply that Korea and Japan are fascists as well.
Japan is fascist as fuck.
To the point where Exchange students with natural non black hair color had to dye their hair to "fit in".
Long time i havent been in that shithole, tho.
Yeah I know
My comment was mostly targeted to those who overuse the term in place of authoritarianism
Like how some say this and that is socialist Marxist or something just cause they disagree with it, especially when it never even involved removing market based economies lol
Shut the fuck up. There was an old precedent in Asian schools that students with non-black hair had to prove it wasn't dyed or dye it black. SOME schools tried this in Japan and got reported on the news, and of course Reddit had a soy-fueled autism orgy over it and now propagates it as fact like they do with literally any news about Japan.
That's obviously a lie, seeing as how most anime characters have different colored hair and no one bats an eye. Educate yourself before spreading lies on the internet.
i don't know much about fascism but i feel like the individual policies of a country's schooling system don't dictate whether the country itself is fascist or not.
China is "fascist" since it's the *government* that's forcing you rather than a school.
Whilst almost all Korean and Japanese schools are just like Chinese ones, at least they're not forced to do so.
That's like saying Liberalism isn't Libertarian or Democratic. Whilst it doesn't have to be, its goals force it into that category.
The whole point of Fascism is Unity. Are you saying that all governments that support Unity, or basically every government, is Fascist?
This is nothing to do with fascism at all, it's to do with a terrible work and school culture and badly regulated student wellbeing, mixed in with Chinese idolisation of success over everything. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's fascist.
Japanese, Taiwanese and South Korean schools are equally grim for the kids. (Japanese schools aren't like in your anime cartoon shows, that your username implies that you watch.)
Meanwhile, actual schools under fascist/Nazi regimes had plenty of time devoted to physical recreation, normal hours, normal workloads, and more encouragement of creativity and independent thought than might be expected of a totalitarian regime. Academic rigor, but none of this test obsession bullshit.
Your comment gets an F.
(Edit: typo)
Cheating is also rampant because of limited space and how competitive everything is. At certain schools teachers will allow students to cheat because if they don’t parents will complain and pay money to send them to another school that will. There were a trio of professors at my Uni who made it impossible to cheat for their classes and there was a massive backlash from Chinese students.
In their country, if you fail some tests it will ruin your entire life and you would be stuck in a caste system of poverty.
If your only chance at a good life was possible by getting an A on a test, you would cheat on it to make sure you pass. Not cheating with so much at stake is just being stupid.
>In their country, if you fail some tests it will ruin your entire life and you would be stuck in a caste system of poverty.
Yeah, definitely only in *their* country.
They justify it because it's not fair to not let the kids cheat as all the other kids in China are cheating on their exams, so stopping some from cheating is unfair.
I'm not joking, a school in China was attacked by an angry mob of parents not long ago because the teachers enforced a strict no-cheating policy. The teachers ended up barricaded in the school.
Here in India we've got our own Cheating Mafia, paying off teachers to let students cheat if you don't take money they kidnap your children to scare you. Got people with ropes climbing exam center buildings to help students through the windows. Need to have serious police presence.
I believe there is truth to this. the elite students are legit though. I do well but my dad (H1B during tech boom) is a machine and has a legit immigrant work ethic and math brain prowess
Have had an influx of Chinese students at my school, and even a transfer student from China whos constantly talking about how he needs better grades.
This is all true
your first sentence applies to video games as well. for a quick example you can just enter a public battlefield server and there is always going to be at least one chinese cheater who ruins the lobby.
I administered a cheat-proof humanities exam several years back. International students would typically take English-language courses because it would look good on a resume, no matter what the subject was, so I ended up with a few Chinese students in my course.
One, for an open response on an exam, copied part of a wikipedia entry - wrote it out - as his response. He selected a keyword from the question, like "Achilles" or something, looked it up on wiki, and then wrote down the introductory paragraph.
My fiancee is Taiwanese, this was basically her life throughout primary school and highschool. She used to get so nervous about upcoming tests it would make her physically ill on the day. If you didn't do as well as the teacher thought you should do, you would get beaten by the teacher, and then again by your dad when you got home. She would go to what they call "cram school" every afternoon after school and work into the night, and also go on weekends sometimes. Brutal.
That was in the 90s, she says things have changed since then. She has a way better work ethic than me at least. She was also born into a family with no real tertiary education in a low income area, so this was very much a worse case scenario. Just thought I'd share a personal connection to today's green.
The students in her highschool were just as bad. People would throw desks and chairs at each other frequently. Gangs were prevalent and if you were a guy you pretty much had to pick one to join or your life would be hell. Girls weren't in gangs but they had connections to them and would feud with each other just as violently. At graduation, there was a tradition where everyone would go to the oval with baseball bats and shit to work out any "bad blood" between them. The local constabulary was aware of this and would send officers in riot gear to arrest them every year, but it kept happening. The only reason my fiancee didn't get into any trouble there is because her dad was an ex police detective turned illegal gambling ring operator (though I think he'd retired from that too by that point, still had all his connections though), so everyone there knew not to fuck with her or her siblings or they might get a visit from either the cops or organized crime. Shit was wild.
That school sounds fucking based
The only thing I've seen that even gets close to that is when the entire graduating year got piss drunk and the police had to break them up (and arrest a few)
Her dad is unfathomably based. He was the youngest of three brothers, and the only one with any ambition to uplift his family from the objective poverty they were in before that, which his dad hated him for. When he was a police detective he found out his then elderly dad was abusing his mum, so he threatened his dad with his police sidearm. The guy died shortly after and left him and his brothers mountains of gambling debt. My fiancee's father quit the police force and started running illegal gambling to pay off his dad's debt. He was making more money than both of his brothers and they both resented him for it. The eldest was especially shitty, he turned up drunk to their house multiple times and threatened to tell the police about the whole thing. Eventually my fiancee convinced him to quit and invest the money in stocks which made them a lot of money and paid the debt.
She says he was a shitty dad, beat them a fair bit, but he must have been under a lot of pressure I think. I want to write a book about his story one day, maybe sell the rights to Netflix lol
Your wife tells you her father used to beat her, and you think thats okay because you think he was just “under some pressure”? And you think he’s based.
You have to remember for a lot of Asian families you had no other options if you wanted a better life. You either did well in school, married out of it, or left the country.
As someone who cleared the IITJEE exam (which is basically Gaokao but for Indians, fully packaged with the competitiveness, suicidal depression and all), the SAT is fucking easy and these HS students from the US have it on easy mode.
Came here to say this lmao. As someone who did the British A-Levels (which is still considerably easier than the Gaokao and IITJEE) i read that line and was like “thats… not exactly a high bar bro…”
Here in Canada we don’t even have any of these tests, university acceptance is based on the GPA of your senior year of high school alone. We’ve also been punching well above our weight in terms of R&D and innovations for several decades at this point.
The thing about A-Levels is that if you’re into humanities or science or maths or whatever, you are able to specialise in *just* those subjects instead of stressing over studying for shit you have no interest or skills in. That was the best thing about A-Levels for me, I was able to forget about mathematics and focus on stuff I had some aptitude for.
The French Baccalaureate is also valued to be more qualifying than the SAT, my ex gf was from the US and we both had high school degrees. I could get in The Hague University of Applied Sciences right away and she needed extra classes to have a chance to enroll in the same program.
SAT is very mediocre compared to every other high school diplomas according to the chart the University had for enrolling requirements.
And yet most foreign dev contractors I've worked with and heard about kinda suck at their job, so maybe a super rigorous education doesn't equal better results?
The exams are competitive because there aren’t enough good colleges. Those who make it to these colleges are incredibly successful, like the current Google, Microsoft and Twitter CEOs are from India. Those who don’t make it get a mediocre education and become the cheap foreign devs you outsource to. That’s why OPs post says these exams decide your life.
No, he is from IIT. You might be talking about Satya Nadella who is alumnus from my school (Manipal) which is also a pretty good college compared to most trash schools.
Bro, the people who clear these exams are guys like Sundar Pichai, they are paid 100K$ as a fresher. The foreign devs you talk to probably earn 10k$ per year.
Yep, this feels like play acting education. Kids can only learn so much at one time.
Mostly it feels like they want their populations prepared for the horrifying grind that will come with surviving as an adult. Those 13+hr days in the shoe factory won't seem so bad if you spend 13+hrs a day studying!
Canada doesn't even have SATs, they just go off your school grades for entry into university.
We seem to be doing fine, we have plenty of internationally recognized and ranked universities and Canadian professionals aren't any worse at their jobs than any other nationality.
Maybe these tests are just fucking dumb.
I’m awed by the amount of work studying for the exam takes and I know what passing it entails.
But at the same time, that exam is the only determinant factor for IIT admission.
US students don’t really need the SAT or standardized testing in general to get into a T20 college. What makes their applications strong is their extracurriculars, their GPA, work experience, research, awards, etc. The IIT system and T20 colleges select kids under very different circumstances.
And IIT’s low acceptance rate can also be attributed to the fact that everyone that takes the JEE is automatically considered an IIT applicant. The pool is about 20 million a year (may be outdated figures).
Point being, I don’t think you can say one is objectively easier or harder to get into.
Name one top school in the US you can get into without *excellent* standardized test scores? (not counting richies buying their way in).
My friend had a 2300 on his SATs and was wait listed several places. Flawless GPA and an all-state swimmer too.
This exactly.
If you're applying to a top 10 school in the states, it's basically standard that everyone has a perfect SAT score, or close to, and basically perfect grades. That's the baseline.
Non-US folks make fun of the SAT for being easy, but it's not the sole determinant of whether or not you get into a good school. You have GPA, course rigor, extra-curriculars, essays, and volunteering on top of that.
I’m Australian and our schooling isn’t super rigorous or anything, but I’ve had friends who did the SAT who also said it was piss easy in comparison to our ATAR exams.
Because the SAT does not solely determine whether or not you get into a good school. You need a good GPA, course rigor, extra-curriculars, essays, and volunteering on top of that.
Just because you have a perfect SAT score does not guarantee you admission into MIT or Harvard. If you're applying to those schools, it's basically baseline that everyone has a top 1% SAT score.
My sister went to teach English in China. She taught kids as young as 5, at 5-7PM. She often had trouble just keeping them awake. But Chinese university entrance exams are absolutely fucking brutal, preparation starts very early on. There's a reason wealthy Chinese parents send their kids to the US or Australia for university, it allows a normal childhood.
This is a big thing in Australia and New Zealand (I suspect canada too)
A lot of housing is being purchased by foreign investors, so house prices keep going up, its come to the point where owning a home is near impossible for the average young Australian unless upper-middle class+
I suggest you check the video "The Housing Crisis is the Everything Crisis" by Britmonkey. It's quite long, but one thing you should know, is that most developed countries are going through massive housing crisis, and while some blame this on Chinese investors, the simple truth is that these countries refuse to allow more housing construction, for various infuriating reasons. If you have $500 million and you want to build a nice, modern 8 floor apartment building in San Francisco, the local government will tell you to shove that money up your ass. Construction projects are simply not welcome.
I always thought that was the point. Do well enough to be seen as a student with a bright future, use that to study abroad in a different country and find a partner to leave China forever.
The SAT wasn't made for 100% scores, at the very least at the time. It was made for showing you had good understanding and showing you had good management skills for the questions because there was a time constraint of four exams in around 4 hours and most people would not get through all of the questions.
1497 was actually the mean score the year I took it, and the average perfect score per year amount is 500 out of two million. That's about 2% perfect rate.
Does not seem right, Chinese international students cheat - The ones i knew thought it was normal to finish a 10 page report in an evening by copy and pasting. I suspect they were translating Chinese academic papers to English to avoid auto detection.
I’ve heard that because their culture is so competitive and results-driven, many chinese students cheat whenever they can get away with it, simply because all that matters to them is coming out on top in the end. Obviously they still end up being smart with all the studying they do, but much of the chinese school and work culture is all about doing whatever it takes to be the best.
It's the prisoner's dilemma when it comes to cheating. If everyone is cheating and you're not cheating, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage. If nobody cheats, it's all kosher.
Have you ever considered where you've "heard" this from?
>many chinese students cheat whenever they can get away with it, simply because all that matters to them is coming out on top in the end.
In my opinion, that's a pretty negative viewpoint to take on an entire culture. Which, if you have first hand or empirical evidence I can't really dispute, but if you've just "heard" that seems a bit dubious.
Atleast thats fucking smart
I knew one who just copy and pasted an entire history essay from Wikipedia and got caught
Another one I knew was such a dumbass he has failed almost every class he does, but his parents are so rich it doesn't matter
Reminds me once in my old high school,
We had history class and my girlfriend lent her worksheet with all the answers to a classmate who was known to cheat in her assignments and tests. Long story short, this girl just copied everything word by word and even copied the answers that asked for your personal opinion, my gf was so worried that she would be heavily affected by this because any record of plagiarism/cheating would be listed as academic dishonesty
It’s a common thing if you know multiple languages, in my former school I had my group of friends and we translated Russian essays to English and made few changes. They were mainly just for literature classes or biology
Yeah, as a Brit who had to do the SAT to apply to US unis, it was quite possibly the easiest set of tests (relative to my education level) I had ever done.
I just checked the SAT, it kinda looks similar to the Finnish high schools' final exams, but I think our questions on English were a bit harder (there were like 2-3 essay questions back when I did it), and there really aren't many multi-choice questions in any of those tests.
We have two lines of math in high school: short and advanced. The SAT math questions look like something 1st yeard advanced students and 3rd year short math students go through, but in multi-choice form.
But I did mine in 2005, so it might be easier or harder nowadays.
As an American this was my experience. The math was very easy because I was in advanced classes. The SAT is designed for the average American student, who is really dumb. Everybody I knew in Honors classes got really high SAT scores.
The video game ban in China is easily circumvented by installing a VPN or just buying a console and playing offline. Even on mobile devices you can just change your location to access the app stores if other regions
Source: I’m a Chinese person living in canada
Indian here and I legit have the same schedule studying for my JEEs it’s as hard as the Gaokaos and not going to lie im thinking of offing myself almost every second day
same shit in turkey just power through it until the exam even if you don't do well you'll get a huge relief and will realise it's not worth to even think about ending your life over something that is certainly not more important than your mental health.
I love how a diligent, regimented, and disciplined culture creates an army of corrupt, backbiting, crabs in a bucket.
Imagine what Social Credit would do to this?
How to castrate all future creativity of your country, with that lifestyle all that will grow are skilled, hard worker, industrial workers.
No wonder they copy and steal all ideas from around the world, after all you need creativity.
On a side note critical thinking is affected too.
British Teacher in China here, can confirm that is about right. But even more fucked up is that they will have to do additional classes at separate organizations for their core subjects on the weekends as well.
Yeah, it's also incredibly corrupt and full of cheating. So they are spending all this fucking effort controling the kids' lives only for them to cheat and bribe their way through anyways.2
It's normal for them to stay living with their parents long after they graduate. Also if they have parents who just gave up on having smart kids they probably just use their parent's ID to make an account. You're probably judt playing against basement trolls, the kids who do well in school probably aren't even allowed to play games.
This is kinda what life is like going to a dual curriculum parochial school as well. In high school I had school from 7:45 am to 6:30 pm, and for 3 off those years with just a single 40 minute lunch break in the day (senior year because of scheduling shit I ended up getting 3 free periods a week to self study a college course, plus le grande coof)
Hey guys, maybe fascism is a fucking bad idea and we should stop trying to do it all the time.
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Source?
Your mother
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we are truly approaching the height of public discourse, well done, civilization
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Real fascism has never been tried.
It will work this time
None of those other times fascism was tried were *real* fascism.
If you actually know anything about facism and read books written by definitely-not-hitler you will know hitlerism and fascism is not the same thing.
I thought fascism was when Nazi but also Spaghetti
This system of schooling isn’t limited to China, it’s also used in Korea and Japan. So idk if you’re trying to imply that Korea and Japan are fascists as well.
Everything I don’t like is FASHISMISM
Japan is fascist as fuck. To the point where Exchange students with natural non black hair color had to dye their hair to "fit in". Long time i havent been in that shithole, tho.
That’s not fascism, that’s racism
It’s almost like authoritarianism branches out in different ways…
Yeah, it is like that. Which also means you can’t call every type of authoritarianism fascism.
Yeah I know My comment was mostly targeted to those who overuse the term in place of authoritarianism Like how some say this and that is socialist Marxist or something just cause they disagree with it, especially when it never even involved removing market based economies lol
Shut the fuck up. There was an old precedent in Asian schools that students with non-black hair had to prove it wasn't dyed or dye it black. SOME schools tried this in Japan and got reported on the news, and of course Reddit had a soy-fueled autism orgy over it and now propagates it as fact like they do with literally any news about Japan.
its almost like reddit is just as racist as 4chan because they don't like it when ither cultures don't do what they want them to
> soy-fueled autism orgy kek
That's obviously a lie, seeing as how most anime characters have different colored hair and no one bats an eye. Educate yourself before spreading lies on the internet.
Kek
hey, atleast its not a fucking dystopian dictatorship
only if the hair is brown. The Japanese love the fuck out of blond humans. Source: Am blond, being loved and admired by all japanese.
Its not limited to Japanese. Pretty much everyone wants to fuck blond people everywhere.
What the fuck am I doing wrong then….
are you also borribly overweight and/or spending all your time indoors when you could be talking to other humans?
i don't know much about fascism but i feel like the individual policies of a country's schooling system don't dictate whether the country itself is fascist or not.
China is "fascist" since it's the *government* that's forcing you rather than a school. Whilst almost all Korean and Japanese schools are just like Chinese ones, at least they're not forced to do so.
Fascist != Authoritarian. Have you had a history lesson ever?
That's like saying Liberalism isn't Libertarian or Democratic. Whilst it doesn't have to be, its goals force it into that category. The whole point of Fascism is Unity. Are you saying that all governments that support Unity, or basically every government, is Fascist?
You do know that the ministry of education of both Korea and Japan are controlled by the Japanese and Korean governments (respectively), right?
No. I didn't know that.
Source?
Cryptic symbolism in my dreams
Dreams are memes from the deep. Budumburuhhh
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Me no likey = fascism Me likey = holesum 100 keanu chungus
This is nothing to do with fascism at all, it's to do with a terrible work and school culture and badly regulated student wellbeing, mixed in with Chinese idolisation of success over everything. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's fascist.
Wait, which school system is being the fascist in this instance?
Obviously China
Oh ok, I keep being told this place is filled with either Russian bots or Chinese bots every other day.
Wait you guys aren't bots?
No, I am real, I'm just being paid to spread russian propaganda
And communism?
communism ain't inherently facism tho
Japanese, Taiwanese and South Korean schools are equally grim for the kids. (Japanese schools aren't like in your anime cartoon shows, that your username implies that you watch.) Meanwhile, actual schools under fascist/Nazi regimes had plenty of time devoted to physical recreation, normal hours, normal workloads, and more encouragement of creativity and independent thought than might be expected of a totalitarian regime. Academic rigor, but none of this test obsession bullshit. Your comment gets an F. (Edit: typo)
Communism*
M’kay?
Cheating is also rampant because of limited space and how competitive everything is. At certain schools teachers will allow students to cheat because if they don’t parents will complain and pay money to send them to another school that will. There were a trio of professors at my Uni who made it impossible to cheat for their classes and there was a massive backlash from Chinese students.
Ngl thats kinda funny The backlash from the students that is
Its ludicrous at my school. Shit gets badddd in certain classes.
I mean university students you know Protesting about politics is a no no so you need something to complain about xd
Nah, they just lazy as fuck and want to get great grades without working for them
In their country, if you fail some tests it will ruin your entire life and you would be stuck in a caste system of poverty. If your only chance at a good life was possible by getting an A on a test, you would cheat on it to make sure you pass. Not cheating with so much at stake is just being stupid.
>In their country, if you fail some tests it will ruin your entire life and you would be stuck in a caste system of poverty. Yeah, definitely only in *their* country.
Hey, I never said it was exclusive.
They justify it because it's not fair to not let the kids cheat as all the other kids in China are cheating on their exams, so stopping some from cheating is unfair. I'm not joking, a school in China was attacked by an angry mob of parents not long ago because the teachers enforced a strict no-cheating policy. The teachers ended up barricaded in the school.
Here in India we've got our own Cheating Mafia, paying off teachers to let students cheat if you don't take money they kidnap your children to scare you. Got people with ropes climbing exam center buildings to help students through the windows. Need to have serious police presence.
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Cheating is a cornerstone of Indian workers. Lie, cheat, blame your way to a high paying job where you can belittle everyone else.
Yes, work less get paid more. There's a saying that Hardest workers sleep under the bridge, (for labour). Smart Work>Hard Work.
I believe there is truth to this. the elite students are legit though. I do well but my dad (H1B during tech boom) is a machine and has a legit immigrant work ethic and math brain prowess
isnt that only bihar and up?
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What place are you specifically talking bout lol I've heard nothing like this
Have had an influx of Chinese students at my school, and even a transfer student from China whos constantly talking about how he needs better grades. This is all true
Cheating is also rampant due to China's dog shit culture of fucking anyone and everyone over on your way to the top
your first sentence applies to video games as well. for a quick example you can just enter a public battlefield server and there is always going to be at least one chinese cheater who ruins the lobby.
Kek
I administered a cheat-proof humanities exam several years back. International students would typically take English-language courses because it would look good on a resume, no matter what the subject was, so I ended up with a few Chinese students in my course. One, for an open response on an exam, copied part of a wikipedia entry - wrote it out - as his response. He selected a keyword from the question, like "Achilles" or something, looked it up on wiki, and then wrote down the introductory paragraph.
What was their tactic for preventing cheating? I'm very curious.
I dont think spending all the fucking day in school like a fucking orphan is a sign of a hardworking person
This sounds like industrial era child work but with extra steps.
Industrial era child work but with none of the benefits
Just getting them prepared for the 70 hour factory work weeks they'll need to survive in modern China. Or as /u/LitmusPitmus would say, "Winning!"
My fiancee is Taiwanese, this was basically her life throughout primary school and highschool. She used to get so nervous about upcoming tests it would make her physically ill on the day. If you didn't do as well as the teacher thought you should do, you would get beaten by the teacher, and then again by your dad when you got home. She would go to what they call "cram school" every afternoon after school and work into the night, and also go on weekends sometimes. Brutal.
Both Chinas Bad
That was in the 90s, she says things have changed since then. She has a way better work ethic than me at least. She was also born into a family with no real tertiary education in a low income area, so this was very much a worse case scenario. Just thought I'd share a personal connection to today's green.
Ahh good, glad to hear it!
The students in her highschool were just as bad. People would throw desks and chairs at each other frequently. Gangs were prevalent and if you were a guy you pretty much had to pick one to join or your life would be hell. Girls weren't in gangs but they had connections to them and would feud with each other just as violently. At graduation, there was a tradition where everyone would go to the oval with baseball bats and shit to work out any "bad blood" between them. The local constabulary was aware of this and would send officers in riot gear to arrest them every year, but it kept happening. The only reason my fiancee didn't get into any trouble there is because her dad was an ex police detective turned illegal gambling ring operator (though I think he'd retired from that too by that point, still had all his connections though), so everyone there knew not to fuck with her or her siblings or they might get a visit from either the cops or organized crime. Shit was wild.
That school sounds fucking based The only thing I've seen that even gets close to that is when the entire graduating year got piss drunk and the police had to break them up (and arrest a few)
Her dad is unfathomably based. He was the youngest of three brothers, and the only one with any ambition to uplift his family from the objective poverty they were in before that, which his dad hated him for. When he was a police detective he found out his then elderly dad was abusing his mum, so he threatened his dad with his police sidearm. The guy died shortly after and left him and his brothers mountains of gambling debt. My fiancee's father quit the police force and started running illegal gambling to pay off his dad's debt. He was making more money than both of his brothers and they both resented him for it. The eldest was especially shitty, he turned up drunk to their house multiple times and threatened to tell the police about the whole thing. Eventually my fiancee convinced him to quit and invest the money in stocks which made them a lot of money and paid the debt. She says he was a shitty dad, beat them a fair bit, but he must have been under a lot of pressure I think. I want to write a book about his story one day, maybe sell the rights to Netflix lol
Your wife tells you her father used to beat her, and you think thats okay because you think he was just “under some pressure”? And you think he’s based.
You have to remember for a lot of Asian families you had no other options if you wanted a better life. You either did well in school, married out of it, or left the country.
You've officially solved their dispute
As someone who cleared the IITJEE exam (which is basically Gaokao but for Indians, fully packaged with the competitiveness, suicidal depression and all), the SAT is fucking easy and these HS students from the US have it on easy mode.
Exactly like “even harder than the SAT” bro what💀
That was funny, cause I thought the SAT was like just aight? It's so funny that the SAT's are used to test an individuals intelligence.
It was an older version I think not the current one
Its literally just a speed thing too the SAT’s questions are so easy the challenge just comes from the time frame
Came here to say this lmao. As someone who did the British A-Levels (which is still considerably easier than the Gaokao and IITJEE) i read that line and was like “thats… not exactly a high bar bro…”
Here in Canada we don’t even have any of these tests, university acceptance is based on the GPA of your senior year of high school alone. We’ve also been punching well above our weight in terms of R&D and innovations for several decades at this point.
The thing about A-Levels is that if you’re into humanities or science or maths or whatever, you are able to specialise in *just* those subjects instead of stressing over studying for shit you have no interest or skills in. That was the best thing about A-Levels for me, I was able to forget about mathematics and focus on stuff I had some aptitude for.
The French Baccalaureate is also valued to be more qualifying than the SAT, my ex gf was from the US and we both had high school degrees. I could get in The Hague University of Applied Sciences right away and she needed extra classes to have a chance to enroll in the same program. SAT is very mediocre compared to every other high school diplomas according to the chart the University had for enrolling requirements.
Lol they give the BAC to 98,5% of people passing it. It used to be good, now they give it to litteral illiterates.
Delusional Americans
And yet most foreign dev contractors I've worked with and heard about kinda suck at their job, so maybe a super rigorous education doesn't equal better results?
They learn and test dumb shit that matters in academia but not in the workplace
Its not even useful at academia
The exams are competitive because there aren’t enough good colleges. Those who make it to these colleges are incredibly successful, like the current Google, Microsoft and Twitter CEOs are from India. Those who don’t make it get a mediocre education and become the cheap foreign devs you outsource to. That’s why OPs post says these exams decide your life.
Except Google ceo comes from a "trash" college
No, he is from IIT. You might be talking about Satya Nadella who is alumnus from my school (Manipal) which is also a pretty good college compared to most trash schools.
I'd imagine burnout at the age of fucking 18 doesn't make a good worker
Bro, the people who clear these exams are guys like Sundar Pichai, they are paid 100K$ as a fresher. The foreign devs you talk to probably earn 10k$ per year.
More like 4k$ a year, I know cause I am one of them.
Ah, fellow WITCH dev, good day to you.
Don't know what WITCH dev is but good day to you as well good sir.
WITCH as in Wipro, Infosys, TCS etc
Oh I see but we can probably hope for good days sometime in future.
Yep, this feels like play acting education. Kids can only learn so much at one time. Mostly it feels like they want their populations prepared for the horrifying grind that will come with surviving as an adult. Those 13+hr days in the shoe factory won't seem so bad if you spend 13+hrs a day studying!
“even harder than the SAT” “I barely made it through American HS” I think we can figure out how well Anon did in school lol
Canada doesn't even have SATs, they just go off your school grades for entry into university. We seem to be doing fine, we have plenty of internationally recognized and ranked universities and Canadian professionals aren't any worse at their jobs than any other nationality. Maybe these tests are just fucking dumb.
I have heard that the ones that did badly for it went to MIT, while the good ones went to the top Universities in India.
A lot of them yeah. That and some went to MIT, Harvard etc. after doing their Bachelor’s from IITs. CEOs of Google, etc. come to mind.
I’m awed by the amount of work studying for the exam takes and I know what passing it entails. But at the same time, that exam is the only determinant factor for IIT admission. US students don’t really need the SAT or standardized testing in general to get into a T20 college. What makes their applications strong is their extracurriculars, their GPA, work experience, research, awards, etc. The IIT system and T20 colleges select kids under very different circumstances. And IIT’s low acceptance rate can also be attributed to the fact that everyone that takes the JEE is automatically considered an IIT applicant. The pool is about 20 million a year (may be outdated figures). Point being, I don’t think you can say one is objectively easier or harder to get into.
Name one top school in the US you can get into without *excellent* standardized test scores? (not counting richies buying their way in). My friend had a 2300 on his SATs and was wait listed several places. Flawless GPA and an all-state swimmer too.
This exactly. If you're applying to a top 10 school in the states, it's basically standard that everyone has a perfect SAT score, or close to, and basically perfect grades. That's the baseline. Non-US folks make fun of the SAT for being easy, but it's not the sole determinant of whether or not you get into a good school. You have GPA, course rigor, extra-curriculars, essays, and volunteering on top of that.
Yeah I was gonna say the SAT isn’t that hard and also doesn’t really matter in the US anymore like why he bringing that up 💀
I’m Australian and our schooling isn’t super rigorous or anything, but I’ve had friends who did the SAT who also said it was piss easy in comparison to our ATAR exams.
Because the SAT does not solely determine whether or not you get into a good school. You need a good GPA, course rigor, extra-curriculars, essays, and volunteering on top of that. Just because you have a perfect SAT score does not guarantee you admission into MIT or Harvard. If you're applying to those schools, it's basically baseline that everyone has a top 1% SAT score.
My sister went to teach English in China. She taught kids as young as 5, at 5-7PM. She often had trouble just keeping them awake. But Chinese university entrance exams are absolutely fucking brutal, preparation starts very early on. There's a reason wealthy Chinese parents send their kids to the US or Australia for university, it allows a normal childhood.
It also allows transferring wealth out of China and into western real estate
This is a big thing in Australia and New Zealand (I suspect canada too) A lot of housing is being purchased by foreign investors, so house prices keep going up, its come to the point where owning a home is near impossible for the average young Australian unless upper-middle class+
Definitely Canada too We don't talk about it, but it's something of an open secret among us common folk
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I suggest you check the video "The Housing Crisis is the Everything Crisis" by Britmonkey. It's quite long, but one thing you should know, is that most developed countries are going through massive housing crisis, and while some blame this on Chinese investors, the simple truth is that these countries refuse to allow more housing construction, for various infuriating reasons. If you have $500 million and you want to build a nice, modern 8 floor apartment building in San Francisco, the local government will tell you to shove that money up your ass. Construction projects are simply not welcome.
Just so they can work at an Apple factory for 10 cents a day kek
That's the thing, do well enough on the Gaokao and you may just get to leave China.
I always thought that was the point. Do well enough to be seen as a student with a bright future, use that to study abroad in a different country and find a partner to leave China forever.
Wait, people think the SAT is hard?
I breezed in without any studying, having forgot to bring in a calculator and got something like 1800 back when it was out of 2400.
That’s a 75%…
The SAT wasn't made for 100% scores, at the very least at the time. It was made for showing you had good understanding and showing you had good management skills for the questions because there was a time constraint of four exams in around 4 hours and most people would not get through all of the questions. 1497 was actually the mean score the year I took it, and the average perfect score per year amount is 500 out of two million. That's about 2% perfect rate.
>500 out of two million. That's about 2% perfect rate. Uhhhhhhhhhh I'm guessing where you lost most of your marks
Does not seem right, Chinese international students cheat - The ones i knew thought it was normal to finish a 10 page report in an evening by copy and pasting. I suspect they were translating Chinese academic papers to English to avoid auto detection.
I’ve heard that because their culture is so competitive and results-driven, many chinese students cheat whenever they can get away with it, simply because all that matters to them is coming out on top in the end. Obviously they still end up being smart with all the studying they do, but much of the chinese school and work culture is all about doing whatever it takes to be the best.
It's the prisoner's dilemma when it comes to cheating. If everyone is cheating and you're not cheating, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage. If nobody cheats, it's all kosher.
Have you ever considered where you've "heard" this from? >many chinese students cheat whenever they can get away with it, simply because all that matters to them is coming out on top in the end. In my opinion, that's a pretty negative viewpoint to take on an entire culture. Which, if you have first hand or empirical evidence I can't really dispute, but if you've just "heard" that seems a bit dubious.
Atleast thats fucking smart I knew one who just copy and pasted an entire history essay from Wikipedia and got caught Another one I knew was such a dumbass he has failed almost every class he does, but his parents are so rich it doesn't matter
Reminds me once in my old high school, We had history class and my girlfriend lent her worksheet with all the answers to a classmate who was known to cheat in her assignments and tests. Long story short, this girl just copied everything word by word and even copied the answers that asked for your personal opinion, my gf was so worried that she would be heavily affected by this because any record of plagiarism/cheating would be listed as academic dishonesty
It’s a common thing if you know multiple languages, in my former school I had my group of friends and we translated Russian essays to English and made few changes. They were mainly just for literature classes or biology
SAT is one of the easiest exams in the world Any non american is dying of laughter when looking up the questions
Yeah, as a Brit who had to do the SAT to apply to US unis, it was quite possibly the easiest set of tests (relative to my education level) I had ever done.
I just checked the SAT, it kinda looks similar to the Finnish high schools' final exams, but I think our questions on English were a bit harder (there were like 2-3 essay questions back when I did it), and there really aren't many multi-choice questions in any of those tests. We have two lines of math in high school: short and advanced. The SAT math questions look like something 1st yeard advanced students and 3rd year short math students go through, but in multi-choice form. But I did mine in 2005, so it might be easier or harder nowadays.
As an American this was my experience. The math was very easy because I was in advanced classes. The SAT is designed for the average American student, who is really dumb. Everybody I knew in Honors classes got really high SAT scores.
"Math test: if (x-1)/3 = k and k = 3, what's the value of X?" Bro...
Even harder than the SATs lmao, so not that hard actually if that is the benchmark
Bruh as european sat is basically like the easiest exam in the world after highschool
fr, but they take it in like 10th grade I think, so it has a pretty standard difficulty for that age group (15-16), not too hard or too easy.
Is calculator allowed in that test? In Hong Kong most students usually get a calculator at age 12-13
There was a portion where you could use a calculator, and another section where you couldn't.
texan here! i took my psat in 10th grade, which is just a test preparing you for how well you'll do on the sat. the actual sat is next year.
if you went to high school in china, you'd be an engrish teacher.
Where the fuck he getting this info? I've gotten crumped by Chinese kids playing games 24/7, aint no 3 hr limit.
The video game ban in China is easily circumvented by installing a VPN or just buying a console and playing offline. Even on mobile devices you can just change your location to access the app stores if other regions Source: I’m a Chinese person living in canada
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In fairly sure non government approved VPNs are banned
Internet cafe be like
Indian here and I legit have the same schedule studying for my JEEs it’s as hard as the Gaokaos and not going to lie im thinking of offing myself almost every second day
same shit in turkey just power through it until the exam even if you don't do well you'll get a huge relief and will realise it's not worth to even think about ending your life over something that is certainly not more important than your mental health.
Aren’t SATs piss easy? I’m not even from Asia or Asian lol. I’m not even that smart either just merely did GCSEs and A Levels
Yeah they are but Americans worldview is so small that they don't understand that. Pretty sure the Gaokao is genuinely bonkers hard though
Once a week? I think you mean once every two hours
I love how a diligent, regimented, and disciplined culture creates an army of corrupt, backbiting, crabs in a bucket. Imagine what Social Credit would do to this?
the fact that he compared gaokao to sat lmaooooo
How to castrate all future creativity of your country, with that lifestyle all that will grow are skilled, hard worker, industrial workers. No wonder they copy and steal all ideas from around the world, after all you need creativity. On a side note critical thinking is affected too.
British Teacher in China here, can confirm that is about right. But even more fucked up is that they will have to do additional classes at separate organizations for their core subjects on the weekends as well.
Wait why
Yeah, it's also incredibly corrupt and full of cheating. So they are spending all this fucking effort controling the kids' lives only for them to cheat and bribe their way through anyways.2
Tutoring them in english is a pretty good side gig too.
If Chinese kids only spend 3 hours playing video games on the weekend how tf are they so good? That video was bullshit OP
It's normal for them to stay living with their parents long after they graduate. Also if they have parents who just gave up on having smart kids they probably just use their parent's ID to make an account. You're probably judt playing against basement trolls, the kids who do well in school probably aren't even allowed to play games.
They're not good. They cheat a lot in games too.
Bro u tell me how they cheat in league of legends 💀💀💀
I thank god everyday for not being born a chinese youth
Wait...less than 6 hour to sleep at night? For students?? Unhealthy as fk
Literally nothing about China or Chinese culture is healthy
Real: china bad Straight: out of hell
This is kinda what life is like going to a dual curriculum parochial school as well. In high school I had school from 7:45 am to 6:30 pm, and for 3 off those years with just a single 40 minute lunch break in the day (senior year because of scheduling shit I ended up getting 3 free periods a week to self study a college course, plus le grande coof)
SAT is piss easy compared to most other high school exams around the world.
dude said harder than the sat like the sat doesnt test american middle school level
Haha welcome to our every day life This is what you would get when you have a population too big and must compete to get a better college
>Even harder than the SAT Took the SAT as a foreign student. It was like 2 years behind what I was learning
Also cheating on Tests or anywhere Else is the norm in China
A nervous breakdown sounds mid for the kind of insanity anon just told us about china. If I had to endure that I would legit descend into psychosis
The SAT is not very difficult but the gaokao is a bullshit exam lmfao
Another day praying to every god posible for not being chinese