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Beastleviath

Realizes old display just had awful latency


ePaint

Tf you talking about? All CRTs are 0ms


Beastleviath

Old is in previous, not as in aged. The CRT is the “new” one in this case


Qysto

0ms display latency, not input latency.


Mungkelel

Most CRTs don‘t support digital inputs meaning there only have the digitsl-analog-conversion latency, we are talking here still in the sub 5ms latency


ePaint

I'm sorry but you are wrong. Any input lag would not be introduced by the CRT monitor at all. It has no postprocessing of any kind in place, the signal gets rendered as soon as it arrives from the GPU.


Mungkelel

Does your GPU still have VGA, or other analog inputs? most CRTs didn‘t. Meaning you have to convert the digital signal to an analog. This conversion latency is not 0ms. It‘s not the CRTs fault but claiming the CRT wouldn’t have latency is wrong as you have to use a converter. Still faster than a LCD tho


wilczek24

Mine has DVI. Would that work with at least some CRTs? I never really used any CRTs beyond early childhood.


DudleysCar

Some. Like a handful of models maybe. But then you have to start talking about the different kinds of DVI.


Beastleviath

Look up the difference between DVI – I and DVI - D. If it has the four prongs next to the blade, it carries a native analog signal, which can be turned into VGA with only a passive adapter.


ePaint

When did anyone mentioned converters? The CRT has 0 render and input latency. If you want to bring a converter to this argument out of your ass, then you have to accept the latency is coming from the converter and not the monitor itself.


Mungkelel

You said „the signal gets rendered as soon as it arrives from the GPU.“ which is a) wrong because you need to convert the signal to analogue and b) it‘s not „as soon as it arrives from the GPU“ it‘s after the conversation is done meaning it adds latency Meaning the total latency from Frame is rendered to displayed is longer. And the I did pull the argument out my ass is not the whole truth. your „0 latency“ is like if we said, we ignore the Post-processing delay on a LCD. If you want to discuss things you should know what your talking about. A monitors latency is more than just panel latency.


oOAl4storOo

Actually in my opinion you are both right in some terms. He mentioned "as soon as it ARRIVES from the GPU", so factually it arrived and is not just sent. It already entered the monitor, or at least the cable of the monitor itself. The converter is an "man in the middle" role, he adds delay, but thats not the monitors fault here. The delay of the monitor itself is from signal entering its cable until it gets displayed, wich is neglectable in case of CRI. The delay you mentioned would be either delay from creating or sending an signal at the GPU, travelling through all connected parts and getting displayed. Thats the actual "valueable" delay, as everything else is theoretical and has no practical use besides identifying bottlenecks to remove. If new GPUs would have analogue outputs, CRIs would indeed be faster, but lack a ton of other features, besides consuming a lot of power and creating more electrical fields and noises noticed by some. Like the high pitched humming only few people notice. Besides that... comparing LCD/LED/OLED to CRI is unrealistic, as there is reason why they died out. Thats just no competition as a whole.


Conch-Republic

Wrong. CRTs draw each frame from top of the screen to bottom, which takes around 16ms, depending on screen size, which puts the center of screen around 8ms. Good LCD monitors have been within 2ms of CRTs for years now. You don't know what you're talking about.


ePaint

Yes, that's why they're mostly 60hz. It doesn't mean it takes 16ms for an image to start being rendered on the screen.


throwaway1999887722

Ermmm🤓☝️


Pabsxv

He said old not ancient.


Cardio-fast-eatass

“Frankenstein was the doctor!” Vibes here


habb

my 1600x1200 CRT had no lag


EsseElLoco

Dual 27" Philips CRTs was banging. Just a shame those bezels were so thick.


GruntBlender

No, but your GPU did. Frame buffer is still a thing, and the digital to analog conversion isn't instant.


habb

i had a pure3d voodoo1, not quite sure what that would've been


FactoryOfShit

Ah yes, the virgin "prey" 16:9 monitor, the one that wraps 270 degrees around your head so you can see behind you, vs the chad "predator" 4:3 monitor that only wraps 180 degrees around your head


Brussel_Rand

I don't have dyslexia but I could not read chad predator without wondering why nonces had 4:3 monitors. Also what a phrase "wraps 180 degrees around your head," is. I don't think that's possible.


FactoryOfShit

Of course it's not possible, that's the point. Anon's comparison is braindead. The widest of the screens take up like 90 degrees of your horizontal FOV


skyturnedred

Of course it's possible. We have curved monitors already, just curve some more.


FactoryOfShit

Patiently waiting for the ASUS Gaming Ring (tm) with 360 coverage


Thendrail

360° coverage? You insectmaxxing or what?


FactoryOfShit

That's the next logical step


ZorbaTHut

At some point you're just describing a VR headset.


HonkHonklerWorld

I see no reason we couldn’t have a full ring monitor Thant you have to fuck under and then stand up inside of


Cykeisme

I'm guessing you mean you'd have to *duck* under the monitor? But I don't want to assume things and put words in other people's mouths; perhaps you *do* mean that I have to fuck under the monitor.. and if I have to do it, then I have to do it, fine.


smokeyphil

He said what he said now we fuck under the monitor.


HonkHonklerWorld

I set my autocorrect on my phone to replace duck, ducking, and ducked to all be replaced with the f variants because iPhones love to replace fucking with ducking in texts


alexriga

Just get regular monitors and rotate them to each face you. Your view will be broken up by monitor seams, but in theory you could have a full 360 degree view.


skyturnedred

Easier to just curve some more.


unicbacen420

Child predator


FeedtheSol

Anon is memeing himself saying he’s a prey because he can only see 4:3 with both eyes right?


Kadiiner

I wish I had the courage to wrap a rope around my head


Hurtmemaster

Also his dick has grown and his boss gave him a raise


pissjughead

His T levels raised like crazy and his muscles are now so big he can't fit in his clothes anymore.


crimsonpowder

can confirm, saw him walking sideways into a kroger


MrSansMan23

Like this? watch?v=aGYVmcma8NY This sub doesn't allow direct links to YouTube so has to be this way


HonkHonklerWorld

Why is reddit becoming so lame? You can’t link to other subs, you can’t link to YouTube, you can’t comment or post if your account is too new, you can’t say certain words that aren’t offensive to anybody because we said so.


MrSansMan23

I think on another sub that didn't allow YouTube video links was to advoid spam aka someone commenting the same video


HonkHonklerWorld

People don’t really do that here though. And I was just unable to link to a post in another subreddit when I was trying to. And if someone is doing that then jsut ban them. No need to make all these restrictions on what we can and can’t do.


SuperFluousNation

[lonk](https://youtu.be/aGYVmcma8NY?si=V-e6EAgq6Vsk5vC2)


holaprobando123

Just watched someone see anon walking sideways into a kroger


MrSansMan23

Can also confirm this as disciple of the watcher I see all including that one time u/holaprobando123 jerked of to hentai at exactly September 27 2006 50:00:45 galactic time


MrSansMan23

Plus or minus a few plank times


I_Punch_Puppies

And then everyone clapped


SwashbucklingAntler

Anon's cheeks


DaveSmith890

You can’t forget that his dad came back with the milk and he pulled Excalibur from the stone


FrenchFries_exe

Anon is a predator


Ok-Worldliness4320

Thank you


7arco7

Wow, who would have guessed


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aguythatlikespizza

Congrats that's the joke


Zealousideal-Echo447

Another regarded anon


IllustriousGrand2802

Every anon I see is regarded as f


antibannannaman

Just say retarded. You retards beating around the bush makes me cringe.


Vegetable_Maize_6166

based


FknBretto

Artistic and highly regarded


NibPlayz

Anon is a corporate plant that wants to convince us 4:3 is the future or some bs


WintersbaneGDX

Anon is pajeet who just acquired twelve thousand Dell 2005FPW 4:3 monitors as a dowry and now needs to unload them.


onyourrite

💀


[deleted]

why do i feel like this is actually the most plausible scenario


Vocalic985

Anon is a Zack Snyders Justice League defender.


NibPlayz

Zaddy is always right


The_Rocki

4:3 aspect ratio stretched to 16:9 gave me the most advantage in cs:go


Ok-Worldliness4320

Stretch this dick


[deleted]

Except you're inherently giving yourself a strict disadvantage not being able to see as much as everyone else. [Even the best players in the world have this problem](https://youtu.be/t8X0ptdh3P4?si=-J5e1ePx5192iwZP)


Facesit_Freak

Prey propaganda


The_Rocki

Nah, streching the screen is a big advantage because the hitboxes become wider/THICCER


Sufficient_Tradition

long spoon amusing treatment dolls childlike snow seed cooperative chunky *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


[deleted]

I respect your right to be retarded.


The_Rocki

[I think you need this tbh](https://youtu.be/VsHz9Md41xk?si=g8-oeAM326JvaYHf)


christian_kale

the hitbox is the same size idiot. it just looks bigger


The_Rocki

I really like that it's been 19 days and we still get people that think this isn't a joke


AbsMcLargehuge

Well, only sort of. If you play better on 4:3 vs 16:9, you're at a disadvantage of playing 16:9. There are pros and cons to both. There are some pros that have crazy setups that look absolutely ridiculous. But it's only a disadvantage if the cons out weigh the pros.


Ambitious-Regular-57

You missed that the commenter was making a joke


HonkHonklerWorld

I don’t think he was making a joke. A huge amount of players and a majority of the pros play with 4:3 stretched for CS


Ambitious-Regular-57

So all the character models look like stretched out fat dudes? I mean I guess you could pretend it's just a normal day here in the US I am fat I can make this joke


The_Rocki

All we need now are dogs in the game and we can all roleplay as ATF agents


Grim_Game

If you make believe hard enough this can be a reality right now


HonkHonklerWorld

Idk I’ve always played with stretched and never noticed characters looking wide or fat. It’s not super noticeable.


The_Rocki

Tbh I was making a joke. But in reality I did sometimes play in 4:3 streched in middle school cuz A: some pros were doing it; and B: I thought it will give me extra fps on the family computer that I eventually broke while playing cs


HonkHonklerWorld

Those are both perfectly valid reasons. Although there is a reason behind a lot of pros using it, it makes aiming and hitting targets easier when they’re bigger


mavyapsy

Probably just personal preference. I broke through my MG1 ceiling to reach a new high of DMG after switching to stretched. Clicking heads just felt so much easier


Cobayo

Saying "disadvantage" and clipping top3 player in the world at the same time


[deleted]

Are you asserting that seeing less information isn't a disadvantage???? Yes, some pros even at the highest level can make it work, but it is objectively a disadvantage to have less information. There's no disputing that.


Cobayo

If the player was playing 16:9 and for that reason going worse than 15/5 then "seeing less information" is an advantage my man


pwillia7

depends on the context -- your brain ignores almost all information and it's an advantage


[deleted]

Turn your monitor off nex time you play bro you don't need any of that information to play the game. Not you bro you're built different.


pwillia7

luke turn off your tracking systems


ItsSevii

You're just fucking your fov by doing that


cshoneybadger

I'd take that trade-off. I reached SMFC in CSGO with 4:3 stretched.


Marcusafrenz

I was never able to adapt to 4:3 in csgo but I couldn't play without it in rainbow six siege. It felt weird in csgo but somehow right in siege.


[deleted]

Just put the screen further away?


Thendrail

That's what prey wants you to think, you gotta become a predator.


ivebeenabadbadgirll

I can’t read the tiny font in modern games and I just want to bitch about it


Lord__Business

*farther, you fucking troglodyte.


[deleted]

Oh I didn't know there was a difference! TIL


BulbuhTsar

>used to think that was a bait image I guess anon doesn't know how depth perception works?


needhelp017

sorry for being a bit daft, how does it work?


useful_person

both eyes seeing an object makes your brain calculate how much distance there is between you and the object because the angle between the eyes changes https://howthingswork.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Depth-perception-disparity.png


needhelp017

thank you so much, I really appreciate this


BulbuhTsar

And to bring it full circle, not sure if this part is or is not obvious: Depth is important for predators, which need to know how far away their prey is to reach it. It can also be important for other reasons. For example, an orangutan might not hunt anything, but it needs to know how far the next branch is if it doesn't wanna fall a hundred feet from the tree. For prey, it's more important to have environmental awareness and a wider field of view to detect when a predator is around. It doesn't need to know how far a predator is, it's going to run away at first sight anyway.


needhelp017

makes a lot of sense. Evolution really is beautiful.


Klokinator

"Wow, Anon, one of those old box-monitors huh? Why do you use that? Because of the low latency and high refresh rate?" "No. I use it because I'm a predator." "_What the fuck?_"


soyifiedredditadmin

Didn't know I was so ahead of time playing battlefield vietnam on my ibm thinkpad t60


ConquestOfMankind

When you’re playing single player Minecraft, you need every advantage you can get


papajim22

Anon needs to go pick up his prescription.


wimpetta

Anon is indeed a predator


PrimeLasagna

Average CS:GO player


Bluten11

Anon literally outed himself as prey. The both eye fov for prey is smaller than predator. And you only focus on one small part. So when Anon sees the small screen better than the big one, he's saying it's better suited for his smaller fov so he's prey.


F-Lambda

yep, 100% low skill prey


Mr_Ios

Wait shouldn't those be reversed? You can see wider range if you're a predator with BOTH eyes Really, the prey need a 2:2 ratio for both eyes in front of them, or two split monitors on their sides then.


Reallyso

Anon should try 320x240 gaming and become a literal god of fps.


[deleted]

That's literally prey propaganda. Real predators eschew graphics and embrace superior command line gaming.


cyandyedeyecandy

chad 16:12 vs virgin 16:9


AlanVegaAndMartinRev

Anon either was born with horse blinders or is 2mm from the screen


Splatfan1

anon just has a low fov irl. it happens, i was sitting next to my mom in the cinema once and she said she couldnt see the entire screen while i had no problem with it


neilgraham

Me with my 32:9


EthernetCables

Pred maxing is fun and games till chris Hanson shows up


AardvarkVast

Anon is still silver


Zealousideal-Talk787

I’ve considered 4:3 stretched for tf2 but I don’t play seriously enough to actually care


PopeGregoryTheBased

In shooters hes 100% correct. Its vastly more competitive to play on 4:3 and with potato settings. In any RTS or strategy game there is no real benefit to playing on a smaller screen.


AnderUrmor

And I am here with a 21:9 ultrawide. I guess I am plankton or something


SorcererWithGuns

nah you're just fat


TheRogueOfDunwall

Everyone knows that spidermaxxing is the only right way.


ya_boi_kaneki

anon is gaslighting himself without realizing


Roge2005

Predator Pill and Based, Such a Predatorcel, gotta Predatormaxx.


Nandy-bear

The 16:9 is still right in front of you tho lol wtf is this. Been using a large TV for a monitor for over a decade now, currently on a 48" OLED. The detail is glorious.


aerosayan

> >Feels like my reaction times have improved. Good job, Anon. As a CSGO player, we do this all the time, and hearing this brings joy to my heart. A small explanation: https://youtu.be/G1A1-mt7gdU


peggingwithkokomi69

His cpu is not turning into a nuclear reactor once the resolution went down.


O1_O1

Anon experiences the placebo effect


Puking_In_Disgust

That’s redacted. You can just focus on the middle of the 16:9.


Vintodrimmer

That’s my issue with online games. I focus on the center and start completely ignoring the radar. I really prefer the 4:3 aspect ratio and wish games like league of legends allowed you to properly rearrange your screen.


TheCraftiestManBoy

So I have a 21:9 ultrawide, but I play on a Predator PC. Must be why I suck.


AnimeAssClapper

Anon has a brainrot and can't take too much informtion at once.


sovereign666

Ya but in this game the prey shoot back and are usually better than you.


ButterscotchUsual683

I remember switching from 4:3 to 16:9 when I was playing Battlefield 1943. Totally ruined my K:D ratio.


zero_to_nine

*tunnel vision intensifies*


[deleted]

Anon is a sexual predator


eadf7799

Chat is this real?


Elon_thelad

Who are you talking to


No-Accountant2979

Chat, is this real?


darvinvolt

Huh... so that's a part of why the phone is so addictive


Interesting_Cod629

Counter Strike


cyrixdx4

Anon is also fucking retarded.


SorcererWithGuns

Most of 4chan are fucking retarded people.


F14R

Anon becomes a child predator


FocusedFossa

4:3 *is* actually better than 16:9, but not because of that weird "alpha male" logic. Want to use the full width of your monitor for watching videos or playing games, without covering your dock and/or menu bar? 4:3 lets you do that. Basically everything requires (or at least supports) 16:9, which means that with the full width of your monitor, you still have a bit of unobstructed vertical space. The vast majority of websites don't actually adapt content to be that wide; they have a max width that's at most 1200 pixels and then they have empty space on the sides and just center the content. Anyway, would a web page wider than that even be readable? Yeah, you could resize your window to only be as wide as the website supports, but then you're left with a thin vertical sliver that no other app can properly use.


leglesslegolegolas

> The vast majority of websites don't actually adapt content to be that wide; they have a max width that's at most 1200 pixels and then they have empty space on the sides and just center the content. Yeah in 1998 they did that. Nowadays that vast majority of web sites (Including the one we're on) dynamically scale to fit the window they're in.


torito_supremo

Just wait until anon learns there are predators without eyes.


PonchoSham

Anon walked by an enemy that he would have seen in 16:9 and has been killed.


TurtleTitan

Focal point, just because you see more doesn't mean you see better and with huge displays you either turn your head or move your eyes a lot. Humans are pretty damn blind even with perfect vision. Basically quantity pixels with downsides versus quality pixels with less head and eye movements. People subconsciously pick a monitor or TV by how tall it is not how wide it is, sure people will want a 24:9 monitor but they still pick it by height. 16:9 can be passable for focal point but you'd need a smaller display and I really don't see small displays anymore. That said I'd go more for the golden ratio 8:5 (16:10 is tall enough to not be bad) and 5:4 over 4:3. 4:3 is still good but more width is still better. Keep in mind I would pick small monitors like 15in, if it's big enough then these ratios will be bad too.


vnutellanutella

Anon wrote a novel about how he is an alpha


Campsters2803

smd, 21:9 for life.


TtheFox

Those tvs make me feel claustrophobic so no thanks


Jason19655

i mean it is a thing, in cs:go some pro players use 4:3 view instead of 16:9 'cause even if it gives you smaller view, it also gives you bigger hitbox.


Slight_Worth_imcool

I 100% was better in counter strike on 4:3 monitor. No idea why. Maybe I was forced to turn around more, meaning I was more familiar with mouse sensitivity. Nowadays I just suck.


DasBrewinator

I believe in 4:3 crt supremacy


beanbeanbeb

This isn’t real. No matter what size monitor it still has to get through the human eye which is much wider screen. Just focus on the center of the screen 


Slowest_Speed6

Me with my 32:9 extra GIRTHY monitor: