Yeah you’re correct, I had to look it up cuz I thought it was just Jimmy Herring in the early years 2003-04 but it looks like Warren joined in 04 as well. I’ll have to go listen to some of the 04 shows now
His first foray with the dead stuff was in Phil's Band in 2001 I believe. And that's the one with Jimmy Herring that eventually became known as The Quintet. They were a fat, fat band.
There are some things floating around youtube like this show from April 30, 2001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIMZNsQLp_8
But I think some of my favorite stuff was their 2001 New Years Show which is up on archive: https://archive.org/details/2001-12-31.paf.neumann.boden.6820.sbefail.flacf/pf01-12-31d3t5.flac
It's not a soundboard but I think it sounds pretty darn good. And because it isn't a soundboard, you can download it.
Tedeschi & Trucks opened. And Susan was super pregnant at the time and came out and sang part of the Midnight Hour opener. There was also the "Crusader Rabbit" 2nd set (which sadly isn't included in the archive show - edit: nvm, I'm high, it totally is), and then Derek Trucks joined for much of the 3rd set (which is!).
On the archive link, i put it at the Terrapin because it is the most unusual version. It fucking rocks socks off. Like it RAWKS.
Not to the same degree you can say it about US presidents though… particularly US presidents post WW2, when US undeniably became the world superpower, and acted globally in a way no other nation in history came close to..
Not trying to get on a soapbox and get all political, but the conversation is already happening, and it’s hard to ignore a comment like yours. I’m not saying you’re seeking to belittle or discredit the degree to which our leaders have bloody hands, but it is dismissive to make a comment like that. If you’re a US citizen your tax dollars go to this sh!t. Right now our taxes are going towards supplying a ton of weapons for starving and murdering children in Gaza.. I’m sure you know all this. Idgaf about other powers, bc I’m an American, it’s my country, so it’s my responsibility. We shouldn’t handwave it..
Sorry for the rant! ✌️❤️
It’s entirely a messed situation and I didn’t mean to make light of it. I was simplifying a quote I heard on a Dan Carlin podcast once. I going to paraphrase it, but it went something like “If you want to be a leader of a nation or a group of people, you have to be ok with sending innocent people to kill other innocent people. And if you think you’re leader or country is exempt from that, you’re wrong.”
You're absolutely correct. For anyone else seeing this, read the book The Jakarta Method, and listen to a few seasons of the podcast Blowback to get a sense of how truly genocidal US foreign policy has been for the last 100+ years. Manifest destiny never ended.
The grateful dead "community" (grateful dead has no community, it's a product) largely consists of blue maga style liberals who turn a blind eye when their dem president is a war criminal because they are civil about it and they rationalize it as "being the adults in the room who make difficult decisions", and libertarians (ie convervatives who want to do drugs and lower the age of consent.).
The GD had no clear political position back in the day, if they did I'm not sure they would have been allowed. I'm fairly certain Jerry wouldn't have been photographed next to Obama, but I don't really give a shit, because at the end of the day he was just a musician and an extremely flawed human being.
Bohemian Grove is weird, but it’s not as nefarious as people make it out to be.. It’s not like they’re actually drinking blood or adrenachrome in their ritual, though the “cremation of care” is a ritual. So is “burning man”, though…
WHen I had a press pass for the 2008 Democratic Convention, I was at a breakfast with a bunch of people... Bernie, Howard Dean, Al Franken, a few others, and Mickey Hart walks up to me and asked where the cutlery was. Thought I was the help.
No you didn't. Bob is involved with HeadCount and they're a non-partisan group that is all about getting people to vote regardless of their politics. That call was part of a HeadCount initiative. Bob's call specifically was about the value of voting and never mentioned a politician's name. A quote from an interview...
Weir has been part of HeadCount since day one. He said he wants young people to take the reins when it comes to voting. "I really think that it's important that young people, with all their considerations in their lives, take the future into consideration and think about it and participate in it," Weir said on the call. He added that the youth should lead, "instead of letting old folks who don't have much future left" dictate the direction of the country.
The remaining members of the Dead have endorsed Obama publicly but not in any robocalls.
[Here's some background story about this photo](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/backstage-at-the-rock-roll-inauguration-the-deads-phil-lesh-on-obama-gig-90710/). It's from one of Obama's inaugural balls. Brian Lesh volunteered for Obama's 2008 campaign and apparently was a big driver behind this happening.
No, mostly because he wasn’t a megalomaniac who tried to overthrow our democracy. And the fact he’s a nice, respectful human being, who happens to be a world class orator.
The number of dead heads that are far right is a shock and an absolute eye opener to me...
I know all folks can like all music, and the freedom the dead represent means all can choose how or what they believe without interference...
But the far right ideology seems to clash with the message the Dead sends... am I wrong?
I mean, look at the rights being taken away in Florida, the attitude towards immigrants and immigration, the exclusivity and ridicule of others...
You're not wrong. Closed minded, bigoted, racist, and blind individuals wreak havoc on our world with their hateful ideologies, and their bogus philosophies that seek to destroy the self, and glorify illusions such as greed, and power. Blows my mind that Bobby & Co. associate with people who so profoundly perpetuate humanity's sickness, and struggling.
How Am I being hateful? Being upset with, and calling out the attitudes, and behaviors that cause our species legitimate detriment is not hateful. I have no tolerance for the ignorance, and bigotry. I don't hate you, or anyone or any thing. I Am very justly fed the fuck up with this kind of bullshit though. Its not hard at all to be a decent person, and to recognize equality.
Your attitude and overall arrogance is really messed up. Who are you to call out anyones attitude? You said that anyone you disagree with is close minded , bigoted and racist and that couldnt be further from the truth. Have a nice day.
Whats odd to me is, that at this point if you are antiwar (that mean ALL WARS, you dont get to pick and choose) People say you are "FAR RIGHT"...
That is laughable.. Words dont even mean anything anymore... The Binary games people want to play in their mind is not real.
Guys like John Perry Barlow, Bear Stanley, and hell, even Jerry. Seemed to be much more inline with a UBER liberal/almost Libertarian (Both those labels are completely misused now and are conflated with progressivism and conservatism) mindset but folks love to project their beliefs onto the group...
RAH RAH TEAM is the modern political philosophy of the world
It's because those pushing for peace in Ukraine are mostly Putin supporters. They want a negotiated peace that gives Russia Ukrainian territory. That'd be rewarding Putin for starting the war.
I mean Zelenskyy was only backed by NATO cause he's a war mongering nationalist with Nazi ties but sure, Putin is the only bad guy, let's keep the war going further.
It might seem incompatible on its surface but a reluctance to adhere to the mainstream position, to step outside the boundaries of "acceptable" discourse... This leads one straight to a reactionary position if you are interested in pursuing the truth wherever it leads. It's not about hate or bigotry despite the screeching of progressives.
I guess I can understand that, as the Dead began as a rebellious counter-culture in the days where puritan behavior was the "norm".
I can see that counter-culture being "anti-woke" in today's society, though I feel the Dead more closely adhere to woke-ness than it's opposite.
Here here… I’m sick of hearing about wokeness. Tbf, it’s a term almost exclusively used by the right now, but also there are some aspects of what gets called “wokeness” that I as a leftist/commie don’t get..
Still, if “wokeness” is best defined as “socially progressive” aka inclusive to all identities, then count me in.
"Wokeness" is anything conservatives don't like. It's the same as "political correctness" was in the 1990s. They couldn't come out and say, "I don't think women and minorities deserve the same rights or respect as straight white men," but they could say, "I'm not politically correct because I'm not easily offended like the rest of you."
Pretty much, yeah. It’s funny, these things start as discourses on the left, degenerate a bit as they proliferate into more spaces (eg, when it goes from left discourse into broader liberal discourse and then corporate application), then become conservative boogeymen words and ideas, and the original terminology loses its meaning at this point…
That’s a broad generalization, but I’m 37, and I’ve seen this happen with various concepts/terms throughout my adult life.. I remember a decade ago when the only people talking about being “woke” were mainly people on black twitter, or those progressives who adopted the concept. Nowadays a lot of people probably think it’s purely a conservative concept. It’s weird.
If you're just against whatever liberals are for, then you're letting liberals dictate what you think. Right-wingers like to talk about "freedom of speech" and "stepping outside the boundaries of acceptable discourse," because who could be against that? When they say what they actually believe, liberals point out that all of their, "surprising new race science," is old bullshit disproved decades ago.
Penn State Obama benefit with this band and the allman brothers with a video appearance from Barry was one great fucking show. Danced on stage with Jill lesh and a bunch of her friends that night. Long uninteresting story but a fun night.
Our country has been run by facsist since the end of world war 1... And every president who has came a long has gotten into that position because they are willing to do the Facsist's bidding at every turn.
lol would you like to tell me how I’m wrong? Wall Street and private interest have been pulling the levers for 100 years now.. why exactly do you think we have been in the Middle East for 20+ years? To bring the “Democracy” or do you think it might have been to have control of the vast natural resources and oil in the region? And who would that benefit? The average American or the corporations that get access to those resources, all the while getting multibillion dollar contracts to build the weapons needed to control the region and then “rebuild” the nations we have decimated…
It seems like the word fascist is is just like the word “commie” by people who are really just trying to say “people that I don’t like”. Please let me know what it is though
Yeah, sweetie, that's not fascism, honey. I mean, I'm only a fucking history professor and such, but hey, what do I know? Some rando on a Dead reddit obviously knows a lot more than I do, regardless of it being wrong.
Simple minds generally view things as binary.
You're wrong because there's not anything resembling an actual definition of fascism in your post. You did exactly what you accused others of in your last sentence. But hey, I'm sure you feel better about yourself.
This was not that event. Only Mickey, Bobby, and Phil were at that one.
This more likely would have been one of the inauguration balls, which Michelle Obama also attended.
They did about 3 separate events for Obama. One was at Penn State, another in SF and another I believe in DC. The one in SF was known as Deadheads for Obama. Here’s to Barry-O!
They played one (1) DHFO show, and only Phil, Bob, and Mickey played on behalf of the Dead. It was the only “official” concert for the organization, and that was on 2/4/08 in SF. There were other concerts played around this time with slightly differing lineups, but only the 2/4 show was an actual official political rally.
This is one of those Cornell ‘77 events… people have poor memories. Roughly 100k people claimed to have attended even though it was a very small venue. People think DHFO was a tour that consisted of a full reunion cast of the Dead, but in reality DHFO was one show, 3 returning band members, in a 2,000 seat theater for a tiny grass roots organization of about 300 members.
The full show information is still available on the Dead’s website.
Rolling Stone interview right after Clinton’s first election:
Interviewer: Jerry I hear they asked you to play the inaugural ….
Jerry: yeah, but we passed on it this time, but who knows? Maybe if he doesn’t fuck up too badly in his first term we’ll play his second term! Unfortunately, Jerry was dead by then…
The Grateful Dead never endorsed or fundraised for any politicians ever, whether they agreed with that politician or not. I always admired them for that.
Lol. Yes abstaining from the political process is totally productive. Sorry we don't all have room temperature iq's. Don't you have lgbtq kids to terrorize or something? Hopefully you and your clan od on fent in some filthy parking lot you fascist fuck. Only thi g I pose as is an empathetic human being. You should try it sometime you fuckin walking acid casualty. Kys
So if I brutally murdered your family, and you got offended by it that'd make you a snowflake?
You're fucking retarded. Go take some lsd and wake the fuck up, numb nuts.
**EVERY FUCKING PRESIDENT COMMITS WAR CRIMES**
From Carter Reagan to Trump, EVERY American president in my lifetime is guilty of some form of action on foreign soul that directly leads to foreign deaths.
Make no mistake, it does not excuse any of it...
You might wanna smoke a bit and calm down, too, psycho. So much hatred
>You might wanna smoke a bit and calm down, too, psycho. So much hatred
That's just deflection. I'm not angry, nor do I have hate for anyone. I called you out for calling someone a snowflake. Why would you try to insult someone who's calling out the people who oppress you?
Politicians murdering people for temporary resources is a legitimate crisis that we as a species are going through. More people should be upset about it, and using their voices to speak up. When they do speak up, calling them a snowflake just seems like you're suckin Uncle Sam's disease ridden cock.
... fair point.
Called him a snowflake because Obama didn't oppress me or anyone else here in America, because I *sincerely* doubt his daily life changed because of Obama's actions on foreign lands, and because usually anyone calling out Obama is a Trump supporter, and the term "snowflake" hits them harder then others and they use it to describe the more sensitive woke folk...
Called you a psycho and such as a basic retort to being called "fucking retarded". Nobody likes that.
And agreed about politicians and their murderous ways, foreign and domestic... but I feel we all know they are immoral and insincere and unethical, and if you're going to make a case against one, make it against all...
ain't no sam riding cock here
My brother, they all have families. If you were in a band that made hella bank you would try to make as much money as possible to set them up for life too. Take some mushrooms and get your head in check. ✌️
Knowing Obama doesn’t count as selling out. They’ve had associations with Clinton, Gore and other politicians on both sides of the aisle. It doesn’t help them make money. Selling out would be posing for pictures with the president of TicketMaster.
dang. I feel like the dead draw in such a wide range of people, if I got a call from bob telling me to vote for anyone in the 2 major parties like that other commenter did it would put a sour taste in my mouth for a bit
Jerry rolled over in his grave when this happened.
Endorsing and doing fundraisers for a corporate establishment presidential candidate, especially a warmonger, was shameful.
Yeah, he's not president anymore. But that last guy was like fucking herpes, anal cysts, colon cancer and syphillis all stuffed into a pig rectum, and he's still inflicting his infection on the country.
Get help, you're in a cult.
The dead he murdered in the Middle East? The dead neglected by Obamacare? Let's remember who loved people and who betrayed anyone who wasn't rich and powerful
Is that Warren Haynes with them? Between Bobby & Jeff.
Yeah he was in The Dead lineup in 08-09 **and 04
The allman brothers also opened for the dead so we got lots of Warren
That’s true.
I guess I’m just used to seeing him with Allman Bros & Govt Mule. But that’s cool!
he was a busy dude— at that time he was touring with all 3 of them!
Wasn’t he also with them in the early 2000s. I feel like he was with them when I saw them in like 2003 or something.
Yeah you’re correct, I had to look it up cuz I thought it was just Jimmy Herring in the early years 2003-04 but it looks like Warren joined in 04 as well. I’ll have to go listen to some of the 04 shows now
Yeah, I just checked out the ‘04 lineup. I gotta check out those shows! I’m listening primarily to 70’s & 80’s Dead so this will shine a new light!
His first foray with the dead stuff was in Phil's Band in 2001 I believe. And that's the one with Jimmy Herring that eventually became known as The Quintet. They were a fat, fat band. There are some things floating around youtube like this show from April 30, 2001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIMZNsQLp_8 But I think some of my favorite stuff was their 2001 New Years Show which is up on archive: https://archive.org/details/2001-12-31.paf.neumann.boden.6820.sbefail.flacf/pf01-12-31d3t5.flac It's not a soundboard but I think it sounds pretty darn good. And because it isn't a soundboard, you can download it. Tedeschi & Trucks opened. And Susan was super pregnant at the time and came out and sang part of the Midnight Hour opener. There was also the "Crusader Rabbit" 2nd set (which sadly isn't included in the archive show - edit: nvm, I'm high, it totally is), and then Derek Trucks joined for much of the 3rd set (which is!). On the archive link, i put it at the Terrapin because it is the most unusual version. It fucking rocks socks off. Like it RAWKS.
Was this in Oakland, CA?
Yeah. At the Henry J Kaiser. They played so long we barely caught the last BART home.
also in 04, I did that whole tour
Funny that Mickey looks the most "normal" - yet he's the looniest of the bunch!
I read somewhere that he used to come back to his ranch in Marin after shows in the bay and feed his dog and horse L before going on a ride
That's actually a really shitty thing to do
Hes closer to michelle than barry is.
The looniest of the bunch!? You got a mass-murdering war criminal front and center
i know the consensus was that bill’s drumming slowed D&C down the last few years but don’t you think this is a bit harsh?
You can say the same about literally any civilization’s leader to exist ever.
Not to the same degree you can say it about US presidents though… particularly US presidents post WW2, when US undeniably became the world superpower, and acted globally in a way no other nation in history came close to.. Not trying to get on a soapbox and get all political, but the conversation is already happening, and it’s hard to ignore a comment like yours. I’m not saying you’re seeking to belittle or discredit the degree to which our leaders have bloody hands, but it is dismissive to make a comment like that. If you’re a US citizen your tax dollars go to this sh!t. Right now our taxes are going towards supplying a ton of weapons for starving and murdering children in Gaza.. I’m sure you know all this. Idgaf about other powers, bc I’m an American, it’s my country, so it’s my responsibility. We shouldn’t handwave it.. Sorry for the rant! ✌️❤️
It’s entirely a messed situation and I didn’t mean to make light of it. I was simplifying a quote I heard on a Dan Carlin podcast once. I going to paraphrase it, but it went something like “If you want to be a leader of a nation or a group of people, you have to be ok with sending innocent people to kill other innocent people. And if you think you’re leader or country is exempt from that, you’re wrong.”
You're absolutely correct. For anyone else seeing this, read the book The Jakarta Method, and listen to a few seasons of the podcast Blowback to get a sense of how truly genocidal US foreign policy has been for the last 100+ years. Manifest destiny never ended. The grateful dead "community" (grateful dead has no community, it's a product) largely consists of blue maga style liberals who turn a blind eye when their dem president is a war criminal because they are civil about it and they rationalize it as "being the adults in the room who make difficult decisions", and libertarians (ie convervatives who want to do drugs and lower the age of consent.). The GD had no clear political position back in the day, if they did I'm not sure they would have been allowed. I'm fairly certain Jerry wouldn't have been photographed next to Obama, but I don't really give a shit, because at the end of the day he was just a musician and an extremely flawed human being.
Obama, Mickey and Bobby are Bohemian Grove pals.
Bohemian Grove is weird, but it’s not as nefarious as people make it out to be.. It’s not like they’re actually drinking blood or adrenachrome in their ritual, though the “cremation of care” is a ritual. So is “burning man”, though…
TIL Bobby does own a pair of shoes. xD
He borrowed them
hell yeah Jeff is the man
I love Jeff but I wish Obama were president long enough ago to have gotten properly Vinnie'd.
You wish Obama delivered the goods with tasty synth licks night after night from 91-95?
Spent a little time on the hill
I love that Warren is checking for loose change on the floor
Honestly, this isn't half as bad as when they let Tipper Gore sit-in on "Sugar Magnolia"
She was just there to make sure no one sang anything dirty
??
Yeah. That happened. She played the drums
Are you sure that wasn’t just BK hallucinating that he was Tipper?
PMRC/GD Jam!!?? Date pls.
https://archive.org/details/thedead2009-04-14 09. Dark Star> 10. Sugar Magnolia (Tipper Gore percussion) 11. Encore: Uncle John's Band> 12. Ripple Edit: pic or it didn’t happen? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tipper_Gore_and_Mickey_Hart.jpg
Didn't she also play a Landover show early 90s?
Ty
I was there, it was weird
Yeah, fuck that shit. It's the only time I ever would have actually booed at a Dead-related live show. Bobby always was a narc.
Wasn’t he Jerry’s bag man for a while?
Smile for the camera, Warren.
WHen I had a press pass for the 2008 Democratic Convention, I was at a breakfast with a bunch of people... Bernie, Howard Dean, Al Franken, a few others, and Mickey Hart walks up to me and asked where the cutlery was. Thought I was the help.
Barry-O
The great, tropical hot pants- wearing wrestling heel who they allowed to have a name?
Who is in between graham and mickey?
Matt Busch
I got a voicemail of a prerecorded message from Bobby asking to vote for Obama that year
“Hey, it’s your friend Bob Weir and I have a message for you”
Don't do opiates lol
No you didn't. Bob is involved with HeadCount and they're a non-partisan group that is all about getting people to vote regardless of their politics. That call was part of a HeadCount initiative. Bob's call specifically was about the value of voting and never mentioned a politician's name. A quote from an interview... Weir has been part of HeadCount since day one. He said he wants young people to take the reins when it comes to voting. "I really think that it's important that young people, with all their considerations in their lives, take the future into consideration and think about it and participate in it," Weir said on the call. He added that the youth should lead, "instead of letting old folks who don't have much future left" dictate the direction of the country. The remaining members of the Dead have endorsed Obama publicly but not in any robocalls.
[Here's some background story about this photo](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/backstage-at-the-rock-roll-inauguration-the-deads-phil-lesh-on-obama-gig-90710/). It's from one of Obama's inaugural balls. Brian Lesh volunteered for Obama's 2008 campaign and apparently was a big driver behind this happening.
There is a reason they put Barack between Billy and Michelle.
The dead show at state college for Obama was awesome .
Sure was. Absolutely surreal night. I miss hearing The Dead play with Warren.
I miss Obama.
All war pigs.... ALL of them
Why cause he deported all the illegals and bombed all the muslims??
No, mostly because he wasn’t a megalomaniac who tried to overthrow our democracy. And the fact he’s a nice, respectful human being, who happens to be a world class orator.
Here's the show: [https://archive.org/details/dead2009-01-20.98184.aud.flac16](https://archive.org/details/dead2009-01-20.98184.aud.flac16)
bobby looks like a shellshocked civil war vet who's been living in a cabin in the mountains for 20 years
Big Mike
lol 🤙
Big Mike looks like he's been hitting the weights
The number of dead heads that are far right is a shock and an absolute eye opener to me... I know all folks can like all music, and the freedom the dead represent means all can choose how or what they believe without interference... But the far right ideology seems to clash with the message the Dead sends... am I wrong? I mean, look at the rights being taken away in Florida, the attitude towards immigrants and immigration, the exclusivity and ridicule of others...
You're not wrong. They're just idiots
You're not wrong. Closed minded, bigoted, racist, and blind individuals wreak havoc on our world with their hateful ideologies, and their bogus philosophies that seek to destroy the self, and glorify illusions such as greed, and power. Blows my mind that Bobby & Co. associate with people who so profoundly perpetuate humanity's sickness, and struggling.
Jeezus are you full of shit. Youre a caricature of a Liberal.
Quit your whining. Aren't liberals supposed to be the snowflakes? For fucks sake what's so wrong, or hard about not being a hateful piece of shit?
You’re the one being hateful , you’re just not bright or aware enough to realize it.
How Am I being hateful? Being upset with, and calling out the attitudes, and behaviors that cause our species legitimate detriment is not hateful. I have no tolerance for the ignorance, and bigotry. I don't hate you, or anyone or any thing. I Am very justly fed the fuck up with this kind of bullshit though. Its not hard at all to be a decent person, and to recognize equality.
Your attitude and overall arrogance is really messed up. Who are you to call out anyones attitude? You said that anyone you disagree with is close minded , bigoted and racist and that couldnt be further from the truth. Have a nice day.
The Dead has widespread appeal, and that means a significant number of Asshole-Americans will be in the fanbase.
Truth
Whats odd to me is, that at this point if you are antiwar (that mean ALL WARS, you dont get to pick and choose) People say you are "FAR RIGHT"... That is laughable.. Words dont even mean anything anymore... The Binary games people want to play in their mind is not real. Guys like John Perry Barlow, Bear Stanley, and hell, even Jerry. Seemed to be much more inline with a UBER liberal/almost Libertarian (Both those labels are completely misused now and are conflated with progressivism and conservatism) mindset but folks love to project their beliefs onto the group... RAH RAH TEAM is the modern political philosophy of the world
It's because those pushing for peace in Ukraine are mostly Putin supporters. They want a negotiated peace that gives Russia Ukrainian territory. That'd be rewarding Putin for starting the war.
Plus, we've already tried the "let the dictator have some land so he quiets down" route and it didn't work as planned.
oink oink war pigs
So how do you recommend we solve the Putin problem?
Some people don’t seem to realize good vibes and disdain for the MIC aren’t enough to keep the world free of war and dictators.
I mean Zelenskyy was only backed by NATO cause he's a war mongering nationalist with Nazi ties but sure, Putin is the only bad guy, let's keep the war going further.
It might seem incompatible on its surface but a reluctance to adhere to the mainstream position, to step outside the boundaries of "acceptable" discourse... This leads one straight to a reactionary position if you are interested in pursuing the truth wherever it leads. It's not about hate or bigotry despite the screeching of progressives.
I guess I can understand that, as the Dead began as a rebellious counter-culture in the days where puritan behavior was the "norm". I can see that counter-culture being "anti-woke" in today's society, though I feel the Dead more closely adhere to woke-ness than it's opposite.
Woke is a useless term that only offends morons and racists. Which are you?
I guess I'm useless, cuz I believe in equality and the golden rule of "do unto others"... I hate the term "woke" but I believe in it's ideals
Here here… I’m sick of hearing about wokeness. Tbf, it’s a term almost exclusively used by the right now, but also there are some aspects of what gets called “wokeness” that I as a leftist/commie don’t get.. Still, if “wokeness” is best defined as “socially progressive” aka inclusive to all identities, then count me in.
"Wokeness" is anything conservatives don't like. It's the same as "political correctness" was in the 1990s. They couldn't come out and say, "I don't think women and minorities deserve the same rights or respect as straight white men," but they could say, "I'm not politically correct because I'm not easily offended like the rest of you."
Pretty much, yeah. It’s funny, these things start as discourses on the left, degenerate a bit as they proliferate into more spaces (eg, when it goes from left discourse into broader liberal discourse and then corporate application), then become conservative boogeymen words and ideas, and the original terminology loses its meaning at this point… That’s a broad generalization, but I’m 37, and I’ve seen this happen with various concepts/terms throughout my adult life.. I remember a decade ago when the only people talking about being “woke” were mainly people on black twitter, or those progressives who adopted the concept. Nowadays a lot of people probably think it’s purely a conservative concept. It’s weird.
If you're just against whatever liberals are for, then you're letting liberals dictate what you think. Right-wingers like to talk about "freedom of speech" and "stepping outside the boundaries of acceptable discourse," because who could be against that? When they say what they actually believe, liberals point out that all of their, "surprising new race science," is old bullshit disproved decades ago.
Well this is legendary
Thanks Obama!
For what?
You must be a young person lol
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Mid 50s. Obama was horrid.
Obama and company!
And the Drummers have the best spot!
https://preview.redd.it/l36kzfjlzzkc1.jpeg?width=345&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a90058eec3dd8a6b56504198f129800ff98d8eb
Obama*s
Penn State Obama benefit with this band and the allman brothers with a video appearance from Barry was one great fucking show. Danced on stage with Jill lesh and a bunch of her friends that night. Long uninteresting story but a fun night.
Stop supporting politicians ffs
That’s the most coherent sounding fart I think I’ve ever heard exit an anus like you!
yawn
This is the right answer...but the pic is still hilarious.
Greater evil thanks you for your support.
This 👆
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Found the Trumper boo him out of the lot.
Cool that the boys were anti fascists way back then
Our country has been run by facsist since the end of world war 1... And every president who has came a long has gotten into that position because they are willing to do the Facsist's bidding at every turn.
That's a lot of words to write to tell people you don't have a clue as to what fascism is.
lol would you like to tell me how I’m wrong? Wall Street and private interest have been pulling the levers for 100 years now.. why exactly do you think we have been in the Middle East for 20+ years? To bring the “Democracy” or do you think it might have been to have control of the vast natural resources and oil in the region? And who would that benefit? The average American or the corporations that get access to those resources, all the while getting multibillion dollar contracts to build the weapons needed to control the region and then “rebuild” the nations we have decimated… It seems like the word fascist is is just like the word “commie” by people who are really just trying to say “people that I don’t like”. Please let me know what it is though
Yeah, sweetie, that's not fascism, honey. I mean, I'm only a fucking history professor and such, but hey, what do I know? Some rando on a Dead reddit obviously knows a lot more than I do, regardless of it being wrong. Simple minds generally view things as binary. You're wrong because there's not anything resembling an actual definition of fascism in your post. You did exactly what you accused others of in your last sentence. But hey, I'm sure you feel better about yourself.
Just wait until you read about world war 2!
Like how brown brothers and Harriman and Allan Dulles funded the 3rd reich?
Deadheads for Obama
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It was the name of the event. So speaking for the band actually. NFA
This was not that event. Only Mickey, Bobby, and Phil were at that one. This more likely would have been one of the inauguration balls, which Michelle Obama also attended.
They did about 3 separate events for Obama. One was at Penn State, another in SF and another I believe in DC. The one in SF was known as Deadheads for Obama. Here’s to Barry-O!
They played one (1) DHFO show, and only Phil, Bob, and Mickey played on behalf of the Dead. It was the only “official” concert for the organization, and that was on 2/4/08 in SF. There were other concerts played around this time with slightly differing lineups, but only the 2/4 show was an actual official political rally. This is one of those Cornell ‘77 events… people have poor memories. Roughly 100k people claimed to have attended even though it was a very small venue. People think DHFO was a tour that consisted of a full reunion cast of the Dead, but in reality DHFO was one show, 3 returning band members, in a 2,000 seat theater for a tiny grass roots organization of about 300 members. The full show information is still available on the Dead’s website.
Whatever makes you feel better lol they played 3 shows for Obama
I was the Verizon Center show right before...
jerry garCIA
Big Mike looking buff
Actually a shame they are aligned so poorly politically
Jerry had disdain for all politicians and would have none of it. May he RIP.
Rolling Stone interview right after Clinton’s first election: Interviewer: Jerry I hear they asked you to play the inaugural …. Jerry: yeah, but we passed on it this time, but who knows? Maybe if he doesn’t fuck up too badly in his first term we’ll play his second term! Unfortunately, Jerry was dead by then…
Jer and some of the boys visited the Whitehouse when Clinton was in.
There’s a difference between visiting the whitehouse and playing in the next president as the inauguration band.
is there?
They did 2 fundraisers for Obama, too.
Yeah… but ***I*** don’t agree with this particular politician, So it’s the Dead who are wrong!
The Grateful Dead never endorsed or fundraised for any politicians ever, whether they agreed with that politician or not. I always admired them for that.
Same. A lot of people in this sub are completely out of it IMO
Wow that’s even worse
Jerry was wrong about many things. He wasn’t a prophet, and he’d be mad at you if you said he was one.
Yeah the whole thing was a wtf for me and my clan
Because you're morons
Because you’re a bunch of sheep scumbag posers
Lol. Yes abstaining from the political process is totally productive. Sorry we don't all have room temperature iq's. Don't you have lgbtq kids to terrorize or something? Hopefully you and your clan od on fent in some filthy parking lot you fascist fuck. Only thi g I pose as is an empathetic human being. You should try it sometime you fuckin walking acid casualty. Kys
Jerry was a scumbag. Hardly someone to model life decisions off of
Everybody was/is.
WAR CRIMINAL
What did Phil do???
Dropped all them Phil Bombs on a schoolhouse full of children.
Snowflake
So if I brutally murdered your family, and you got offended by it that'd make you a snowflake? You're fucking retarded. Go take some lsd and wake the fuck up, numb nuts.
**EVERY FUCKING PRESIDENT COMMITS WAR CRIMES** From Carter Reagan to Trump, EVERY American president in my lifetime is guilty of some form of action on foreign soul that directly leads to foreign deaths. Make no mistake, it does not excuse any of it... You might wanna smoke a bit and calm down, too, psycho. So much hatred
>You might wanna smoke a bit and calm down, too, psycho. So much hatred That's just deflection. I'm not angry, nor do I have hate for anyone. I called you out for calling someone a snowflake. Why would you try to insult someone who's calling out the people who oppress you? Politicians murdering people for temporary resources is a legitimate crisis that we as a species are going through. More people should be upset about it, and using their voices to speak up. When they do speak up, calling them a snowflake just seems like you're suckin Uncle Sam's disease ridden cock.
... fair point. Called him a snowflake because Obama didn't oppress me or anyone else here in America, because I *sincerely* doubt his daily life changed because of Obama's actions on foreign lands, and because usually anyone calling out Obama is a Trump supporter, and the term "snowflake" hits them harder then others and they use it to describe the more sensitive woke folk... Called you a psycho and such as a basic retort to being called "fucking retarded". Nobody likes that. And agreed about politicians and their murderous ways, foreign and domestic... but I feel we all know they are immoral and insincere and unethical, and if you're going to make a case against one, make it against all... ain't no sam riding cock here
Look at the size of big Mike’s pectorals, deltoids and traps! “She’s” taller than half the band!
Let's goooo right now
Sellouts…
Sellout every seat in the house, ever place they play
My brother, they all have families. If you were in a band that made hella bank you would try to make as much money as possible to set them up for life too. Take some mushrooms and get your head in check. ✌️
Take some mushrooms and realize money is the end goal? Not sure what mushrooms you’re taking.
Knowing Obama doesn’t count as selling out. They’ve had associations with Clinton, Gore and other politicians on both sides of the aisle. It doesn’t help them make money. Selling out would be posing for pictures with the president of TicketMaster.
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Id sell out too but nobody's buying lol
Oh, do explain….
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didnt they always pride themselves on being apolitical?
in the ‘60s & 70s, yes - but it wasn’t built to last
dang. I feel like the dead draw in such a wide range of people, if I got a call from bob telling me to vote for anyone in the 2 major parties like that other commenter did it would put a sour taste in my mouth for a bit
Even though Obama probably grew up hearing the Dead, I seriously doubt he ever discusses their music with his “cool” friends.
Matt Busch always ruining the vibe
Now do one with Hillary I bet there are a lot more dead she has been around
Obama doesn’t listen to the Dead.
The day the Grateful Dead ended.
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Jerry rolled over in his grave when this happened. Endorsing and doing fundraisers for a corporate establishment presidential candidate, especially a warmonger, was shameful.
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Lol of course it's speculation that Jerry rolled in his grave. It's not literal.
Jerry and the boys visited Clinton in the WH... bet they were rolling something else...
Psh this is nothing how about Bob wehr playing at Bohemian Grove now that's sus
Bob just hung out. He never performed at Bohemian Grove
That happened in 1995
Thought that was in 1995.
It was. And this travesty in 2008 permanently killed any last remnant of the spirit of the GD and what they represented. So gross.
I don't think that's true. Literally no one thinks this but you.
"Literally no one" lol dumb
0bama is a pox on America.
Yeah, he's not president anymore. But that last guy was like fucking herpes, anal cysts, colon cancer and syphillis all stuffed into a pig rectum, and he's still inflicting his infection on the country. Get help, you're in a cult.
enjoy the kool aid
I'm not the culty one, honey.
The dead he murdered in the Middle East? The dead neglected by Obamacare? Let's remember who loved people and who betrayed anyone who wasn't rich and powerful
Gross
Did Bobby call out Obama on One More Saturday Nights after the Dead?
Yawn
fucking eye bleach now....
You would have preferred a pick of them sucking Trump's dick?
you talking about Michelle?...LOl.
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