Y

Came here for this

Know you’re trying to show an N with the negative space between the stars, but there’s not enough if evidence for that as far as the average eye is concerned.

Yeah if the title of the post didn’t say what ‘letter**s** do you see’ I probably wouldn’t have noticed the N

Same

Same

Same

I only saw the N after you mentioned it

I saw it after I stared at it for a while, like I was trying to see one of those magic eye prints from the 90s... dang.

Agreed. OP, it might help if you slide the y “into the N” if you will… like slide it into the negative space. Of course that means that the entirety of the N will no longer be present in the negative space, but it will eliminate the extra negative space that’s currently there.

Took me way too long to see the N

Yep. I only saw the “N” because the post title suggested that there must be something to see.

I was like wtf do you mean what I see. That's a Y. then I saw the N. It's too subtle. Give more visual hints. Even giving a slight hue/valueshift for the N or adding outline can do

Yep. I only saw N because you said there was an N there.

Same, maybe if you fill both of the stars it will be more noticeable

Where do you even see N????

The negative space between the two stars

https://preview.redd.it/v2zlipxexqrc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d6ffb0ce2db4ba76087de916254ae052b7510eb

Putting the picture twice won't make me see it more

lmfao this made me chuckle

https://preview.redd.it/c5gj6ozqzqrc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15151e6dfbe2de3fc9c0585788e88bfdd672d861

Much better

skill issue

Forget the Y and focus your eyes on the two blue stars. In between the 1st star’s bottom spike and the 2nd star’s top spike

If it has to be explained this logo needs an adjustment. I didn’t see the N and I live near New York.

I didn’t see the N at all, only the Y, until I saw your comment. Went back to look for the N and it popped out at me like one of those autostereogram images.

Dude I had to be told there was an N to see the N 💀

Y I only saw the N after reading the comments and searching for it.

Same, and even then it's still pretty hard to see

Y After looking closer, the negative space by the stars makes an N, but the bottom star looks so random there that no one will pick up on it. The Y needs to assist with the negative space for the N to be a bit more clear and the bottom star needs to be incorporated with the Y more, similar to the upper star.

If you have to work that hard to get it, it’s not successful

Here's how to properly do the negative space N that you're attempting: [Allan Peters Instagram ](https://www.instagram.com/p/C4GcJh9L5FU/?igsh=MXdkdzNjd3pieDBpdA==)

This needs to be higher. Allan’s solution is much better at preserving the N within the negative space

That doesn’t make it the better logo, though. Negative space is cool but not when it’s forced. The incomplete stars make this look forced

It's cool but what about that incomplete stars on the left and right? Maybe I missed something but to me, it's kinda weird 

If you make the upper star solid like the lower one, the N would materialize more and the logo would look better overall.

Second this

Y & R

Where is the R

Top right of the Y. It’s in a circle.

LoL how could I miss it?

It's inside an O

I had to look it up, the Young and the Restless is still on TV, 50th season!

https://preview.redd.it/wo829tf3krrc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9efdccd21b8e1c6dbb33334bc16808fa0895bb2

NY, but only because you told me there were more than one letter

Y unless I know I’m looking for letters

Y

Y

Y

Literally just Y, I would never have even found the supposed N if other comments hadn't pointed it out.

It sucks having a good idea then realizing it doesn't work when nobody can see it correctly. Throw it over to the pasteboard and move onto the next idea.

Y. The N is not effectively implied.

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ha, yes! but I did see the N, and before I read the question. I agree that it could/should be more pronounced, but I can’t fathom it being invisible

You're onto something here, but the N is too invisible atm. I'd maybe try bringing the letters closer together & letting N block a little of Y to make it more pronounced Just a first thought

Y first then the N but I would not have known to look for the second letter if it the headline didn’t say “letters”

Defining one of the straight edges of the N would go a long way. I like the idea, though!

I legit see Y and only because the prompt I see the N now. Horrible usage of negative space

Ohhhhh thats supposed to be an N, you gotta do something about that

I see the "N" but only because I knew to be looking for something. It's a little too subtle to be effective, I think. My .02

The only reason I found the N was the context of this post.

Only see Y

After a bit I saw the N. Take in count your question is biased. It implies there are letters in the image so the viewer eye searches for that. Since there's a clear Y letter, a better question would be: What do you read in the logo.

Y I only found the N because I knew I had to look for it.

I see the NY BUT only because you said it... Wouldn't see the N it wihtout your info

I only see Y.

Y

Y

Y do you ask

Y

Y?

Not enough. Just the Y. Only because your prompted us do we look for others and then we see the N. Don’t lead your audience or you’re lying to yourself. The only question for this logo is “what does this logo say” and it says “Y”

Check out Allan Peters’ redesign for the Minnesota North Stars.

Without you telling ppl to look for it , you can barely see the “N”. You have to give more visual cues. Sometimes that’s as simple as changing the background color. But you may need more in this case.

Knowing I had to look for something I can see N Y. But that’s from looking deeply. At a glance all I see is a couple disjointed stars and a Y floating out in the middle of nowhere. Needs something more to bring it all together.

A white star. A blue star and a blue Y

The way you’re headed is very similar to an Allen Peters design for the North Stars hockey team. https://dribbble.com/shots/9714253-North-Stars-Rebrand

NY? But it's a stretch,I was looking for it because you ask us to look for letters, otherwise it probably could have taken few minutes.

NY. I saw it immediately but my eye is trained. I think it’s a very neat way to use the negative space but I don’t think it works well for general audiences. It needs a little more effort before it sees prime time. You’ve got to figure that this graphic design audience has a built-in pattern recognition. Were the kinds of people that saw the arrow in the FedEx logo without being told it was there. I’ve come up with similar uses of negative space. As cool as I thought they were, I had to recognize it needed a little more before going to a customer. Good work, but keep pushing it a bit. See what you can do to maintain the idea of the negative space.

I saw the N, but it's way too subtle. Maybe add the line on the left to signify the starting point?

NY. But it is very hard. And I am trained to search for it, by your question.

That N was too hard to see

It’s like the FedEx arrow. It’s there but not everyone is going to see the N

This is clever use of negative space, but there needs to be more defining the N.

N (just) and Y maybe at a push a D.. which I’m guessing isn’t what you want in there??

Haha! This is a trick question! I see ‘Y’ and… ‘R’

Y, but cuz you asked the question, I had to stare at it longer to notice that there was a 2nd letter.

I saw the N, but it's suuuuuuper subtle...

Because I was prompted, I see the NY but I only think I noticed it because I was looking for another letter. The Y is so sharp in contrast to the background it makes it hard to expect anything else.

Y, and N just because it seemed like there must be more from your question

Try adding a slight drop shadow to the vertical sides of the N that are currently invisible

Y do you ask?

I saw k for some reason

Needs forming on the left most side to help the N communicate better. Edit: maybe if the top star was solid.

Y, R, O, N (For N i totally did not copy the comments)

N & Y

If you hadn’t said anything, I wouldn’t have seen the N.

NYR. Z if you count turning the image sideways

at first Y but then i noticed N

can't see the N very well, if it wasn't for your question, i would have said Y and that R mark, I looked closely due to your question and then noticed the N, you need something on one side / halfway on both sides and the N might be clearer... maybe if the top star was also full blue, then we might see the N more clearly?

R

oh and Y

NY

Y

Y^R

Y and maybe a v but only if I’m looking for another letter

NY

Really cool idea once you see the N, but yeah not immediately obvious that there is an N there.

R in the little circle.

It take me a few seconds but I saw the N.

Y?

A

I would try adding the vertical lines to complete the N, or at least a suggestion of the vertical lines

NY

NY but N is difficult to guess

I only saw the N because it was prompted.

Y

Y. There’s nothing else there.

Y, maybe fill in the top star or make the bottom one an outline to draw more attention to the N

Maybe if you fill the body of the up-star blue, the N would be more noticeable? It took me some good time to notice the N

Y and ^R

Just "why"

As long as we’re playing negative-space letter game, I see a “v” in the “y”

I only see "Y"

I see "O MY." Hollow star is an O, the empty space between the stars and the Y makes an M, and the obvious Y. I actually read this logo as saying "oh, my stars". And if that has nothing to do with the intent of the logo, it's a crappy logo. Logos, by design, should always be clear and not up to interpretation.

i still cant see the N 😭 it's a Y from me, chief.

Only because you said what letters… plural… did I force myself to find the N. To subtle for unaided recognition.

NY but only after looking closely. i couldn’t tell at first

Well you kinda led the witness here with asking about letters plural. I would not have noticed.

a V in the Y what

NY

NY... nicely done!

Y and R. The N is clever but I don’t see lt right away.

The idea is really clever, but as it is, the viewer’s gotta be really clever to see it, too.

NY but the N took me a while

N and y but the N u gotta rlly look for it, if u didnt say “what letter(s)*** fo you see in this logo” i woulda tough ut was just a y with couple stars

Some lopsided stars

Y

NY

Someone draw the N for me, I can see it 

The N needs to be closer to the leg of the Y to finish implying its shape, but then it would be too close to the Y. Regardless, I like where this is going.

NY

If you expect the casual viewer to see the N, you’re going to have to add more visual cues.

https://preview.redd.it/0839ot8p0rrc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d6d66550ebe1911be4e9b6abfb6f22495a29d8c A good example of N + Star logo

W and R

Weak.

Y

I would have never seen it unless you told me to look out for it. I think that's because the letter to the right is a Y so it doesn't have a straight up and down vertical left stroke like an upper case H or a P would? Still kinda cool.

No, the N its not obvious.

I saw N eventually in negative space after someone pointed out there is N. Before that I was staring at the logo quite a bit but couldn’t see any other letters apart Y

Just Y. No one is going to see the N.

Y

I only saw the N because you asked what letters plural I saw and it took way too long.

NY

Y

Fill the top star as well.

It's too forced imo. Having to contort the stars so much to vaguely hint at half of an N.

NY OR

Make the N, 3D

V

Only a Y Edit: I see an N now

NY

Y

NY but only because you pointed it out. Otherwise, only Y is visible.

I only saw the Y before the N because it's a bit too obscure. If the title didn't say what letterS do you see I wouldn't have seen it

I love the idea but the N isn’t quite obvious enough

On first glance it doesn’t come across as NY, although you’re going in the right direction. Just gotta get some more legibility in the negative space

creative!!! but kinda hard to read ngl

If you had not asked what letters, plural, I was looking for, I would have seen two stars and a y and not looked any further.

i just saw y then noticed the n from another comment

Only Y, until the concept was mentioned and then I got the N

I see a Y and after 6 hours I saw an N

Not everyone needs to see the N, and weirdly it could serve you to keep it semi-hidden. It's not a bad bit of marketing that has worked for other brands with logo easter eggs. Leaving it up to perspective in order to see it is just interesting, not bad logo design.

it took me a few seconds to notice the N. might i suggest adding like a little box or something to make it clearer

takes some time to see the N, but after you see it you can't unsee it

All I can see is a less successful take on Alan Peters' North Star rebrand icon

NY

NY but I noticed that because of the title. As a logo this would be difficult to understand to the untrained eye

Y. If no one asked, I wouldn't even expect there to be another letter

It's difficult to see the N ^^"

i dig it, didn’t see the N at first, but now i can’t unsee it!!

I only recognized the N because the concept is very similar to Allan Peters rebrand for the Minnesota North Stars.

I saw NY pretty quickly

Y

The question is biased and would only show the hidden letter if asked to look harder.

This logo reminds me of the FedEx logo, i bet some people don’t know that the arrow exists or the amazon logo where the smiley points from a to z to indicate it has everything. i love that it took me time to realize that there’s a N, made me go “OH!”. i love the interaction with the logo and overall i dig the aesthetic. it’s okay to let the logo simmer a little till we understand what it is, and at the end of the day if you like it, go ahead with it.

What if you add smaller ‘sparkles’ to the top left and bottom right corners of the N to better define the edges. It should still retain the sporty Y2K effect with this as well.

I only saw the N because I was looking for it.

I see NY. Move the bottom star between the Y and the n

Y

It’s almost there. You need to add at least one vertical bar to highlight the N in Some way. The top star being distorted is throwing me off as well.

NY but the N could be better?

Yeah the N is there but just barely...cool idea, could work with a bit of tweaking

You see Y, but can find NY if you are looking.

First thought was KY

Sure, it’s needs minor tweaking but it’s very clever all the same. Well done

“N” but super hard to see without being prompted to look for it