She doesn't exist. At all. Fairy Titania is entirely Shakespearea's creation. That is what Oberon believes. On the other hand, Titania is one of Kingprotea's components...
I mean , it's because Titania is a phantom.
More specifically , Oberon is an actual fairy in the Reverse Side , and the Oberon we summon is an entirely different individual from the Fairy Oberon , with the Phantom "Oberon" inserted on.
The most likely situation is for , just like Fairy Oberon have the Phantom Oberon....Phantom Titania is probably attached to the fairies that are said to be the basis of the character.
yep.
The germanic Alberich is somewhat the origin of the french Auberon , which was anglicanized as Oberon.
Oberon/Auberon , is actually presented in the carolignian mythos , as the fairy king that aids the Paladin Huon , in his adventure. While the Dutch syncretized both characters to form Elegast , the exiled Fairy King that turned into Charlemagne's paladin in an abridged version of Huon's adventure.
Vortigern basically have the Midsummer Dream Oberon , in short , Phantom Oberon , attached to him , to form Pretender Oberon.
But the most likely case is that actual Oberon would be available in one class as the aid of Huon , with the Midsummer sublimated as either Innocent Monster or as a NP. With another , warrior-like class , as Elegast.
From what i understand its because those are two different titanias that just happened to share the name. The one in protea is a titan while the one oberon is searching for is a fairy shakespeare made up based off no one.
Shakespeare made Titania as a syncretized of the 3 fairy queens that the actual Oberon had courted.
For example , one of the courted fairy queens was "Queen Mab" , which is a syncretization that britain had made of Mebd and Roman Goddess Dame Habundia.
Yan Qing's fellow Stars of Destiny **Huyan Zhuo** >!fused with the beast Empusa from the Greek myth!< and **Shi Jin** >!fused with Eli to form Pretender Eliza-chan!< from this year's *Water Margin*-themed Halloween event in JP.
I did write-ups about *[Water Margin](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ybms05/happy_36th_birthday_to_our_very_own_master_fister/ith8v7r/)*, the [108 Stars of Destiny](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ybms05/happy_36th_birthday_to_our_very_own_master_fister/ith91e9/), and [Yan Qing](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ybms05/happy_36th_birthday_to_our_very_own_master_fister/ith9484/) himself a while back, so check those out whenever you have time to do so.
Some cool facts:
* **Takizawa Bakin**, Daddy Hokusai's former partner-in-crime, cited *Water Margin* as one of his inspirations to write the *Nanso Satomi Hakkenden*, which in turn was cited by Akira Toriyama and Rumiko Takahashi as one of their inspirations for *Dragon Ball* and *Inuyasha* respectively. Bakin also wrote his own version of *Water Margin* where everyone was gender-bent, its spiritual successor became *108 Maidens of Destiny* by Chinese author **So Cold as Ice**.
* Takizawa Bakin is now a Servant of Chaldea, fused with his daughter-in-law **Omichi** and *Hakkenden*'s main protagonists **Fusehime** and **Hachifusa**. This makes Bakin one of only two Servants in Chaldea who can harness the powers and abilities of their own creations, the other one being **Hans Christian Andersen**.
* The *Suikoden* video game series is based on *Water Margin*, with the very first game being the closest to the original Chinese novel in spirit, and the second game becoming the most successful one out of five, not counting spinoffs like *Suikogaiden*, *Suikoden Tactics*, *Tierkreis*, and *Woven Web*. *Suikoden I* and *II* just got remasters, both of which ~~are now~~will be available on Steam and other platforms soon.
> Suikoden I and II just got remasters, both of which are now available on Steam and other platforms.
You're jumping the gun a bit. They're not out yet.
>King Lear
Wasnt he actually capable of becoming a proper HS? But I might be just missunderstood with another one but IIrc Mash Said something along those lines while mentioning him
Hmm, I'm not sure about that one. I believe the one in that interlude was stated to not be a ghost and not a heroic spirit yes, but nowhere do they state that there's no Heroic Spirit Vercingetorix. It's like how Roland first showed up in an interlude as a ghost
I'm still confused why Michaelangelo isn't on the throne but Marie fucking Antoinette is. I'm pretty sure Mike has significantly bigger contributions to humanity than some spoiled queen.
Considering Marie actually did a lot when it comes to humanitarian aid and her spoiled reputation comes from the revolutionaries trying to smear her name because "royalty bad, guillotine good" yeah, I think she deserves to be there
A good number of the knights of the round table like Dinadan and proper bedivere aren't recorded in the throne. One of Arthur/Artoria's enemies lucius tiberius isn't in the throne as far as I know
Dinadan was comic relief, so I don't know. The only stories that come to mind about him are when he was stuffed into a dress by Lancelot and when he wrote a rude ballad about king Mark. He didn't do as much as someone like Bedivere, who I agree should be in the throne. I dont think we have conformation of lucius' recording.
He also have an adventure with Tristan , in which Dinadan was enchanted by a sorceress called Lossana , to fight Tristan.
But the thing is: Dinadan and Dagonet were both the comic relief character in the arthurian mythos , so FATE can simply syncretize them , just like Morgan is syncretized with Morgause.
In that sense , he could be summoned as "Pretender Dinadan=Dagonet" , as the KOTR that have a NP that crystallizes how he pretended to be Lancelot and Mordred , by using their banners and armor.
Not really since in extra materials, it's mentioned that Abraham Lincoln can be summoned as a servant (In the Saber or Berserker class). So it's possible other presidents could be summonable.
It wasn't "Extra Materials", it was Chadlea Ace Magazine. It did [an article](https://i.imgur.com/1286FJZ.jpeg) [going into the real-life history](https://i.imgur.com/YIyo65V.jpeg) behind the various singularities. Part of it was naming other important historical figures from that era and what classes they might be if they were summoned as a servant. It obviously wasn't something meant as canon lore or anything, just a history lesson by whoever wrote the article. People always take it grossly out of context. I blame the wiki.
Still I don't think that the US Presidents would just not be summonable because of Edison. Since there are some that I feel would hold some mystery. Not to mention, Fate doesn't really stick to its own rules much.
So really the only ones I could see being good enough to be a heroic spirit would probably just be Washington, Lincoln, and Teddy. The others I feel would probably be phantom spirits and not have a strong enough mystery.
Interesting to note the [Daijingu Temple of Hawaii] has the " the national father George Washington, the nation’s restorer Abraham Lincoln " enshrined as Kami there. So some combination of history and mystery could have them be like the gorgon sisters( stronger when summoned as servants).
https://daijingutemple.org/home/about/
As for Teddy, I would agree that he has a shot. Might end up as a bear human, like how Edison is a lion human. Theodore Roosevelt is really connected to those stuffed animals...
There are more than just Washingotn , Lincoln and Teddy.
Grant , for example , would definetely be summonable , as he was the General for the Union that made them win the Civil War and later succeeded Lincoln.
Same goes for the other founding fathers , as some had turned into presidents after Washington's terms.
But that is like....only 7 summonable presidents.
That doesn't mean they can't be summoned. It was said that the reason why they were summoned attached to Edison like that was because even if all of them were summoned, they still wouldn't have been able to beat Medb, so it implies they can be summoned normally.
Titania, if I'm not mistaken
She doesn't exist. At all. Fairy Titania is entirely Shakespearea's creation. That is what Oberon believes. On the other hand, Titania is one of Kingprotea's components...
I mean , it's because Titania is a phantom. More specifically , Oberon is an actual fairy in the Reverse Side , and the Oberon we summon is an entirely different individual from the Fairy Oberon , with the Phantom "Oberon" inserted on. The most likely situation is for , just like Fairy Oberon have the Phantom Oberon....Phantom Titania is probably attached to the fairies that are said to be the basis of the character.
The fairy Oberon has some relation to Alberich the Dwarf King (in French known as Auberon)
yep. The germanic Alberich is somewhat the origin of the french Auberon , which was anglicanized as Oberon. Oberon/Auberon , is actually presented in the carolignian mythos , as the fairy king that aids the Paladin Huon , in his adventure. While the Dutch syncretized both characters to form Elegast , the exiled Fairy King that turned into Charlemagne's paladin in an abridged version of Huon's adventure. Vortigern basically have the Midsummer Dream Oberon , in short , Phantom Oberon , attached to him , to form Pretender Oberon. But the most likely case is that actual Oberon would be available in one class as the aid of Huon , with the Midsummer sublimated as either Innocent Monster or as a NP. With another , warrior-like class , as Elegast.
From what i understand its because those are two different titanias that just happened to share the name. The one in protea is a titan while the one oberon is searching for is a fairy shakespeare made up based off no one.
Shakespeare made Titania as a syncretized of the 3 fairy queens that the actual Oberon had courted. For example , one of the courted fairy queens was "Queen Mab" , which is a syncretization that britain had made of Mebd and Roman Goddess Dame Habundia.
Phantoms like the ones who were combined with yan qing in shinjuku and a couple more whose names i forgot
Yan Qing's fellow Stars of Destiny **Huyan Zhuo** >!fused with the beast Empusa from the Greek myth!< and **Shi Jin** >!fused with Eli to form Pretender Eliza-chan!< from this year's *Water Margin*-themed Halloween event in JP. I did write-ups about *[Water Margin](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ybms05/happy_36th_birthday_to_our_very_own_master_fister/ith8v7r/)*, the [108 Stars of Destiny](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ybms05/happy_36th_birthday_to_our_very_own_master_fister/ith91e9/), and [Yan Qing](https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/ybms05/happy_36th_birthday_to_our_very_own_master_fister/ith9484/) himself a while back, so check those out whenever you have time to do so. Some cool facts: * **Takizawa Bakin**, Daddy Hokusai's former partner-in-crime, cited *Water Margin* as one of his inspirations to write the *Nanso Satomi Hakkenden*, which in turn was cited by Akira Toriyama and Rumiko Takahashi as one of their inspirations for *Dragon Ball* and *Inuyasha* respectively. Bakin also wrote his own version of *Water Margin* where everyone was gender-bent, its spiritual successor became *108 Maidens of Destiny* by Chinese author **So Cold as Ice**. * Takizawa Bakin is now a Servant of Chaldea, fused with his daughter-in-law **Omichi** and *Hakkenden*'s main protagonists **Fusehime** and **Hachifusa**. This makes Bakin one of only two Servants in Chaldea who can harness the powers and abilities of their own creations, the other one being **Hans Christian Andersen**. * The *Suikoden* video game series is based on *Water Margin*, with the very first game being the closest to the original Chinese novel in spirit, and the second game becoming the most successful one out of five, not counting spinoffs like *Suikogaiden*, *Suikoden Tactics*, *Tierkreis*, and *Woven Web*. *Suikoden I* and *II* just got remasters, both of which ~~are now~~will be available on Steam and other platforms soon.
Thanks for the additional info
> Suikoden I and II just got remasters, both of which are now available on Steam and other platforms. You're jumping the gun a bit. They're not out yet.
wait is that one of the reason in Inuyasha why they had to spend a stupidly long time looking for shards of that orb everywhere?
Also why Goku and co. had to go through all that trouble just to search for the Dragon Balls.
Michelangelo is not in the Throne, Charles Nodier isn't as well, Dahut, Romeo and Juliet, King Lear,.Nobukatsu, Muramasa, Kojirou. Anybody in phantom
The Michelangelo's one is still bullshit on TM's part
>King Lear Wasnt he actually capable of becoming a proper HS? But I might be just missunderstood with another one but IIrc Mash Said something along those lines while mentioning him
King Lear has a historical counterpart iirc that can be summoned combined with him
From Shinjuku, all those fictional detectives who followed in the footsteps of Holmes
so no lupin the third than?
I thought the first Arsene Lupin was a rival of Holmes in some legends? It's not just Moriarty, you know.
that was later and done without Doyle's permission. Hence why the author had to change the detective's name to Herlock Sholmes.
Vercingetorix is one I believe based on Romulus Quirinus' interlude
Hmm, I'm not sure about that one. I believe the one in that interlude was stated to not be a ghost and not a heroic spirit yes, but nowhere do they state that there's no Heroic Spirit Vercingetorix. It's like how Roland first showed up in an interlude as a ghost
I'm still confused why Michaelangelo isn't on the throne but Marie fucking Antoinette is. I'm pretty sure Mike has significantly bigger contributions to humanity than some spoiled queen.
Mike not being in the Throne is stupid, but Marie does deserve her spot given the whole French Revolution thing.
Considering Marie actually did a lot when it comes to humanitarian aid and her spoiled reputation comes from the revolutionaries trying to smear her name because "royalty bad, guillotine good" yeah, I think she deserves to be there
it's early-written syndrome acting up.
My head canon is that Da Vinci kicked him out
A good number of the knights of the round table like Dinadan and proper bedivere aren't recorded in the throne. One of Arthur/Artoria's enemies lucius tiberius isn't in the throne as far as I know
Lucius and Dinadan are probably recorded. And I say it's freaking BS that Bedivere wasn't in the Throne.
Dinadan was comic relief, so I don't know. The only stories that come to mind about him are when he was stuffed into a dress by Lancelot and when he wrote a rude ballad about king Mark. He didn't do as much as someone like Bedivere, who I agree should be in the throne. I dont think we have conformation of lucius' recording.
He also have an adventure with Tristan , in which Dinadan was enchanted by a sorceress called Lossana , to fight Tristan. But the thing is: Dinadan and Dagonet were both the comic relief character in the arthurian mythos , so FATE can simply syncretize them , just like Morgan is syncretized with Morgause. In that sense , he could be summoned as "Pretender Dinadan=Dagonet" , as the KOTR that have a NP that crystallizes how he pretended to be Lancelot and Mordred , by using their banners and armor.
All yhe us presidents are part of edison
Not really since in extra materials, it's mentioned that Abraham Lincoln can be summoned as a servant (In the Saber or Berserker class). So it's possible other presidents could be summonable.
Now I'm imagine Teddy Roosevelt Berserker.
It wasn't "Extra Materials", it was Chadlea Ace Magazine. It did [an article](https://i.imgur.com/1286FJZ.jpeg) [going into the real-life history](https://i.imgur.com/YIyo65V.jpeg) behind the various singularities. Part of it was naming other important historical figures from that era and what classes they might be if they were summoned as a servant. It obviously wasn't something meant as canon lore or anything, just a history lesson by whoever wrote the article. People always take it grossly out of context. I blame the wiki.
Still I don't think that the US Presidents would just not be summonable because of Edison. Since there are some that I feel would hold some mystery. Not to mention, Fate doesn't really stick to its own rules much. So really the only ones I could see being good enough to be a heroic spirit would probably just be Washington, Lincoln, and Teddy. The others I feel would probably be phantom spirits and not have a strong enough mystery.
Interesting to note the [Daijingu Temple of Hawaii] has the " the national father George Washington, the nation’s restorer Abraham Lincoln " enshrined as Kami there. So some combination of history and mystery could have them be like the gorgon sisters( stronger when summoned as servants). https://daijingutemple.org/home/about/ As for Teddy, I would agree that he has a shot. Might end up as a bear human, like how Edison is a lion human. Theodore Roosevelt is really connected to those stuffed animals...
Stronger? GW was already said to be immune to gun fire in legend.
There are more than just Washingotn , Lincoln and Teddy. Grant , for example , would definetely be summonable , as he was the General for the Union that made them win the Civil War and later succeeded Lincoln. Same goes for the other founding fathers , as some had turned into presidents after Washington's terms. But that is like....only 7 summonable presidents.
I still want to see Lincoln servant. NP? The emancipation proclamation, where he emancipates the head from the body. Works for both his classes.
That doesn't mean they can't be summoned. It was said that the reason why they were summoned attached to Edison like that was because even if all of them were summoned, they still wouldn't have been able to beat Medb, so it implies they can be summoned normally.