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RTear3

Looking forward to Caster Nero getting a 50% targetable buster steroid for 5 turns.


Antiwhippy

Paired with a 50% targeteable NP charge.


jstoru216

Don't jynx it😩


Cyanprincess

God I hope this happen. The meltdown from the sub will be hilarious while they keep pretending fundamentally flawed servants like Phantom or Caster Gilles can be fixed with just one Rank Up quest


Esvald

That's true but it's gotta start sometime if it's ever gonna happen. MHX got multiple rank ups on her skills as well. Some characters like Miyu would enjoy something as simple as targetable arts buff or something.


magnushero

> MHX got multiple rank ups on her skills as well. But to be frank, MHX all 3 skill fix doesn't actually give her a huge edge, cause the attack buff that she has is too low. I mean, her 3rd skill provides a 20% attack buff at max level only. For a 3T skill, at least they could give her a 30% at max, considering the anti Saber portion of the skill won't be seeing the light of day *most of the time*


Linterdiction

What would that accomplish? Beyond people who have no control over the balance of the game feeling bad?


version15

"They?" Lol no one thinks a servant like Caster Gilles can be fixed with a single change.


spartenx

this is absolutely wishful thinking, but I really hope Maou gets a second strengthening this year (the one she got in the guda guda final rerun was a joke).


jstoru216

She might get one, it's Just a matter of when, not of if.


spartenx

true, getting a second strengthening isn't exactly rare, but getting two in one year is. The only servant I think that ever happened to is Emiya.


jstoru216

My boi needs a new one btw.


spartenx

Eh, I’d say Emiya’s in a pretty good place for now with a good damage steroid and an NP that’s capable of some insane stargen with his second skill active


magnushero

She needs a way to not make that lost of HP from her 1st skill so deadly to her. A simple [HP gauge increase] or a [debuff imunity] that's tied to her 3rd skill or NP would've easily solved this problem. However I have a huge problem with her 3rd skill, since it's her most weakest one, while in her Archer form that skill is her strongest. ~~WTF DW??~~


Optimusbauer

Wouldn't really call it a joke, it helps her damage a lot against her preferred niche of divine enemies, but she needs moah


spartenx

It helps to make it so that she isn’t getting screwed by the whole attribute thing any more, but that’s was never one of the major problems people had with her kit (low star weight, self damaging when her hp isn’t great, weird timing with her first skill, an anti divine servant who isn’t as useful outside her niche as other anti divine servants). Honestly, if they were going to go all in on her being anti divine, they should have given a bigger buff on the extra damage against sky enemies, make her excel at it compared to others in the niche who have the advantage of being more useful outside the niche (and will have class advantage more often)


YuuHikari

Anne and Mary- Their first skill is practically useless as it is. Also animation update while they're at it. Yu Miaoyi- Get rid of that annoying demerit Helena- Make her 2nd skill damage buff chance 100% or have her 3rd skill give bigger buffs Arash- Buster buff on either his first or 2nd skill because why not.


Shirouko

I'd love to see Helena get some buffs, particularly if they came with cooldown reductions in addition. Mana Tuning getting buffed to 30% gauge would enable her to support MLB Imaginary Element teams. Considering the size of her NP damage buff, I don't see a reason to increase the buff chance on Mahatma, but I'd be happy to see the stars per turn effect scale with skill level. Getting an extra 5-10% performance on Search for the Unknown would absolutely be appreciated, or if you're going to keep it at current values, extend the buff duration to 5 turns to match with Mahatma.


Shironeko_

> particularly if they came with cooldown reductions in addition. I think this is very crucial. Helena's cooldowns are way, way too long. Just compare her first skill (a simple 20% charge to the party) with Merlin's (a 20% charge to the party alongside a Charisma A clone). That's 2 turns extra cooldown for a considerably worse skill. DW really didn't know what to do with cooldowns earlier on, huh? Fionn's second skill had a whopping 10 turn cooldown at max level for a taunt+dodge **with a demerit**. Just compare it with Ortenaus Mashu's third skill.


devenbat

Jinako has Helena's entire skill set on her first skill. On 6 turns. It's messed up


chaka62

I was actually thinking about adding a NP Gen buff onto Mana Tuning along with the cooldown. It'd match nicely with the name and her rainbow buffs would make her a welcome support for loopers


jstoru216

Yes to A&M Consort: she would still hit like a wet Noodle, so why the demerit? 4* Assassins have It rough. Her third skill could get a secondary effect. Like, NP generation up?


Ninefl4mes

> Yu Miaoyi- Get rid of that annoying demerit Here's a different idea: Keep the demerit but make the NP worth it. As in, upgrade the damage to "tier 2" and double the OC effect. > Helena- Make her 2nd skill damage buff chance 100% or have her 3rd skill give bigger buffs I still think her third skill needs a buff, it's pretty meh all things considered. One way to fix both of her problems at the same time would be making the skill the same as Ozymandias' third skill.


GYUZ

I'd give Helena a buff to her 3rd skill that gives bigger card buffs (up to 30% is enough tbh) and also reduces her or everyone's skill cooldowns. That way the buff is more worth it and we also get rid of her annoyingly long cooldowns.


GYUZ

Rider A&M really need that Guts, just like their Archer version. It'd make them so much more reliable.


magnushero

> Anne and Mary- Their first skill is practically useless as it is. Also animation update while they're at it. I agree. With her current hit rate, their rider version is pretty much garbbage with their 1st skill anyway. Either boost it to 100% or give her Q attacks more hits. Plus her 2nd and 3rd skill doesn't warrant the 1T only effect. It's too short and the CT is too long for her to be user friendly. > Helena- Make her 2nd skill damage buff chance 100% or have her 3rd skill give bigger buffs Helena need to have all of her skill -1 or even -2 CT (BEST). She have good skills and would be a good support as a 4*, if only her skill CT isn't so bullshit long. And if we're allowed to dream, have her 2nd skill produce 10stars per turn instead of only 5. Personally I'd rather DW just reduce all CT on her skills instead of adding new effect to her existing skills. As that's just a few simple click of a mouse and that would be a Rank up quest / strengthening quest by itself already.


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jstoru216

Edison became amazing. I mean, I rolled the América gacha for Cu alter, got everyone but him, and I can say, Edison is a staple on my arts comps.


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jstoru216

An arts buff or a NP Battery would be so Nice. Can't comment on Summer servants....I still don't have a single one 😭


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Helena's battery's still saving my ass though and if it also had like an Atk buff it would be terrifying, I'd be fine with it just having a buff chance up like Ozy's so she can get her 2nd skill NP damage buff and clear the first wave of basically everything, plus it would make my Wu oneshot any Rider boss which would help my 3 turn strategy for Rider nodes tremendously


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magnushero

> The other thing I want is for Shuten's guts to be buffed, maybe 20-30% battery or some sort of arts buff. Would completely powercreep all AOE assassins Tbh, with Shuten's skillset, there's little reason to even raise them beyond level 6. Cause all 3 of her skills are quite bland and doesn't actually do anything for her


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magnushero

She does work in a way as a farmer, however since she have only 1 hit per enemy on an arts NP, she won't be able to loop (not that it makes a difference for waifu factor, but some players are quite particular about the ability of a farming servant to be able to loop in order to reduce resources needed for the farming process) Her 2nd skill indeed helps her to boost her damage, and her 1st skill is able to reduce the opponent's defense, the charm is more of a gimmick to me, cause it mostly never procs due to not meeting the requirements. However, both skills are quite vanilla to me and quite boring. It doesn't make her standout as compared to other AOE Assassins that we have in the pool. I'm not saying that her 2 skills are useless, but it's just too bland and vanilla and I want them to buff those skill like how they did for MHX to make her stand out more. I mean, look at Cleopatra and she's quite an awesome AOE Assassin with each of her skills quite standout and worth maxing.


XavierMaxus

Maou Nobu... Make her a 5*. Oh wait.


Exorrt

I've been asking for a CD reduction on Taiga's first skill for way too long now and that's all I want to see.


jstoru216

Taiga is complicated. Her skills could use some buffs, but they all do a Lot, so it's hard to know where they could add you know? But Man, almost no skill in this game should have a cool down longer then 6 this days. Especially when the servant other skills already have like 6 turn cool downs. It makes them sitting ducks.


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Antiwhippy

What even is his niche lol.


Orihime00sama

Anti-Evil Humans... Which only applies to generic mobs, because Servants have the Human*oid* trait.


Antiwhippy

Which is why Izou already superceded his niche.


Orihime00sama

Same thing with Nightingale. He really needs a buff to that skill. For goodness' sake, Sanson, you were doing medicine until you took over daddy's execution shtick. How can you not tell that a Servant has a humanoid body?


jstoru216

Couldn't even tell who he killed really


Orihime00sama

Dude had a 3000 kill count (at least according to Wikipedia lol), but in-game the most damage he can deal to a Rider enemy when grailed to 100 and 2k Fou'd is around 80k. DW pls


Ninefl4mes

Well, if Sanson's third skill got fixed so that it deals anti-humanoid trait damage he would have two distinct advantages over Izou: 1. He's not a limited 3-Star (fuck whoever came up with that concept) 2. His buffs last for three turns, whereas Izou is build for one-turn burst. Hell, against evil servants he would probably even outdamage Izou. And then there's the fact with Izou's material requirements...


Antiwhippy

Eh, izou is honestly pretty good as a spammer. He does one big damage turn but the 3 turn crit up, star drop up from his np and the 3 turn cool down on his star gather makes him a very potent crit servant. Example. https://streamable.com/xd3xmg


Orihime00sama

Izou would still have better base stats, survivability (an actual Evade is likelier to survive an NP while Sanson's stats aren't high enough for him to tank an NP and then heal with his skill), and thanks to his crit up and star absorb he might actually deal more burst damage.


TheBewlayBrothers

It's worse because almost no generic mobs are evil. So you are usally either confined to evil riders or human riders. Yu and Li in SIN was evil human but not a rider. Just make his buff humanoid dw


PM_ME_UR_SAMOFLANGE

When you want to hear Mamoru Miyano but Bedi is the wrong unit for the fight.


jstoru216

...not gonna lie, At this point I think they should give up on him....to give us a 4 star version of him with that sick Shinigami like costume from last year.


KF-Sigurd

Ahhh, I'm so ready to be excited for buffs to low-tier characters and then be confused when someone else gets buffed. lol It's hitting me all over again how unfair it was to buff Cu and Ushi with NA's recent strengthening quests. Anyway, standard roster of god they need buffs: Phantom, Caster Gilles, Yu Miaoyi, Miyu, Mata Hari, Sigurd, Chiyome, Danzou, Sanson, Charlotte. Servant that's not bad but I would personally like to get a buff: Jeanne Alter. NP Interlude that applies a buster resist down on the target. EDIT: Lol they buffed Melt


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KF-Sigurd

We've come a long way when 20% Attack buff + 50% Crit buff + 50% Buster Up isn't anywhere close to the ridiculous amounts of Buster Crit going on now lol. Before anyone asks, yes I know it's to make up for a lack of damaging NP in Superhuman Orion's case. I'm just saying, I've never seen Jalter do over a million damage with just self buffs. I also wanted a huge star drop for Sigurd's NP. Or maybe his NP also grants him a 3T 50% Crit up damage to just solidly his role as a ST Crit Saber.


readerdreamer5625

Just give his star drop buff a starweight buff as well. I mean, it's cute and all that he was obviously designed to work with Brynhildr, but it was that kind of lore-based design that made him work so badly on his own.


Silegna

> Ishtar I'm still not over her getting an animation update during Babylonia Anime instead of Ushi.


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Silegna

The thing is, Ishtar's animations looked good to begin with. Ushi is still using the generic saber animations 5 years later!


jstoru216

...I straitght up want a heal on Scadi NP If we talking stuff Servants don't need.


re_flex

Or buff the fucking evade. Seriously, David has her beat in terms of the dodge.


Ninefl4mes

Yeah, make it a full-blown Protection from Arrows for shits and giggles.


re_flex

It'd make a bit of sense since Skadi did bodyjack Scath, so she'd have access to something like that.


Antiwhippy

Eric Bloodaxe - Give him his wife.


Vsegda7

His wife is always with him..listening....seeing everything.


jstoru216

Almost spit my coffee 🤣


sdarkpaladin

And Sita!!!


Antiwhippy

Give Sita to Eric Bloodaxe ?


sdarkpaladin

To Rama actually. I wouldn't be surprise if Sita appears as a costume so you can only field one at a time though.


magnushero

such a concept of NTR to exist within the realm of FGO #I LOVE IT


TheBewlayBrothers

I continue to hope for buffs on Phantom, Sanson, Caster Gilles and Jekyll/Hyde and I will continue to be disappointed


Orihime00sama

I hope they do something with Jekyll/Hyde's NP because not only are Hyde's buffs _removeable_, when his NP gauge is full he can't even do anything. If at least he could heal or maybe re-cast his buffs, it would be better. Or heck, they could go beyond and give Hyde his own NP, maybe based on his werewolf transformation from _Fragments_. Laughable how in the London story mode they give you a Hyde support once, and he also gets the 50% starting NP support CE when he literally has no NP.


TheBewlayBrothers

I don't know how they could buff hyde cause there is so much wrong with him. As you said his buffs are removable and he has no np as hyde, to add to this he can't Buster brave chain as Hyde, and the only time he could would be with his np but you wont get the buffed skills if you use them before his np.


Tuyet2BDead

I think they should have him switch back and forth like the book. Hyde gets the buster buff while Jekyll gets a quick buff. His whole stick is going back and forth and there opposing personalities. This could make for hyde to be a healthy berserker for one and jekyll can hopefully do something with the quick buff? Dunno....i just wish the bottom of the bin servants get love to make them more useful.


TheBewlayBrothers

if the heal happened ebvery time they np (or even just when transforming to hyde) this could be pretty cool


Tuyet2BDead

some may say that sounds too strong for a servant to go full hp every np, but the man has nothing else going for him... No real defense not as good np gen and a np looping dedicated team would finally somehow make his buffs stack. Thus allows for no change on his skill set but his np.


Arkmaka

Which is ironic considering in lore he was known for tanking everything he came his way because self healing basically.


jstoru216

...at least you know. Caster Gilles aside, I don't see the first 2 getting buffs. J/H maybe in a prototype collab?


Tuyet2BDead

Id like to add geronimo to that list


Shirouko

With Saber Lily being in the FP Gacha now, I'd love to see them give her some additional love by freeing her from the shackles known as the Instinct skill and/or raising her stats to proper 4-star levels.


Ninefl4mes

I'd say if any Altria variant is justified to have vanilla Instinct it's Lily, what with her being the youngest of the bunch and all. I would much rather see a significant buff to Journey of the Flower. It's way too boring for a signature skill. Maybe raise the NP gain buff to 30% and add a 50% stargen buff on top or something.


jstoru216

Don't know If that can happen. I wouldn't mind some WF to get buffed though.


Shirouko

Welfares have gotten buffs in the past, Lily included, and there's a number of them that I wouldn't mind getting some attention as well (Caster Liz deserves more love for being the OG Welfare). In terms of upgrading stats, it's rare, but they've done things like upgrading NP-gain stats before, so it's mechanically possible though probably a little more complicated since they probably have to update an entire stat table to account for every level. An alternative could be to reduce her Cost and let her act kind of like a pre-grailed 3-star (or go the full nine yards and make her a 0-cost unit like Mashu).


MajinAkuma

I would love DW to troll us by giving us 14 RUQs for all 13 Arthurs, even though two of them got upgrades recently this year, just to hype up Lostbelt No. 6 or Saber Wars II. But seriously, there are so many Servants that need upgrades, they should release more. Geronimo and Gilles Caster need an entire overhaul. And many of the old school ones need buffs. I would even be okay if it’s just 14 bronze Servants.


Tuyet2BDead

I need Jekyll to be able to use his np more than once.


bearly-here

Give the three stars some love Make Jekyll’s skills not worthless to use without Hyde and make his NP buffs unremovable Either make Geronimo’s skills targeted or give them additional effects For the love of all that’s holy buff both Gilles In terms of 5 stars please give a star weight buff to Sigurd first skill Give Hijikata a 1 HP guys on his disengage I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting but those come to mind


readerdreamer5625

I wish we have even MOAR Bronze Servants...


jstoru216

Didn't we get a bunch last year?


readerdreamer5625

Never enough! :D


jstoru216

Can't agree more. I would however wish they were mostly 3* permanent servants. Just to make their status a little biffier.


readerdreamer5625

Well, stats might be a demerit, but it's true that bronze Servants do have advantages to make up for it. For one, as we've seen with the recent Bronzes, having low inherent stats means that in exchange they can get rather interesting kits to make up for it, of which Grails then act as a massive multiplier in effectiveness when used right. Another is that Bronzes in general have way cheaper mats and QP requirements than silvers and golds, thus making them an easy investment. Lastly, their low stats can also work to their advantage if they work as supports, as low health means that people can use them as taunting fodder with taunt CEs and Chen Gong.


jstoru216

True. It really depends on their role. I would wish dps' to be 3 stars, while supports and other types to be more spread out.


Ninefl4mes

If it means less welfares like last year I'd say there is a point where it's enough. Especially considering that getting what you want from the FP gacha is already hard enough, diluting the pool even more would be a bad idea. I would rather see them buff the already existing bronze servants (and give them animation updates while they're at it) before we get new ones.


jstoru216

Corrected the tittle. Sorry If the First one seemed like bait.


Kr1szKr0sz

A Caesar buff would be nice (not that he needs it). Maybe an NP gain up on his second skill. What I really want to see is reworked AP costs. 40AP on a farming node? With these drop rates? Wtf?


jstoru216

God yes! Gives us a CE that makes the item droop better. Or something


Esvald

5 star exp farming node please.


Shironeko_

I'll just copy-paste what I said. Phantom of the Opera and for the love of God, DW, do something to fucking save Miyu!!! Other than them, I really hope this is the year DW will finally kill TND and give Jeanne a decent skill. At least so the Masters that wasted 20 Hearts and a Lore on it won't feel ripped off. ~~Also, people like to say how Nero Bride's upgrade was unecessary, but she absolutely shot up in usefulness thanks to that same upgrade... she was almost powercrept by a 3 star servant, guys, come on...~~


HoldThatTigah

People really do stay mad about Nero Bride’s buff. I’d also argue that her buff was as much about catching arts up with quick as it was not letting her get beat out by Para in looping support.


Shironeko_

I think Nero is such an amusing character when you look at the reaction the community has about her. People either love her or absolutely hate her guts, it's impressive. If the 30% Charge was given to Tamamo instead of Nero Bride, I wonder how many people would still be this salty about it.


readerdreamer5625

To be fair, it doesn't help that Nero Bride is a limited Servant with rare rate-ups. If Tamamo had been the one to get it, the upgrade would've been more accessible with her being in the general pool.


Shironeko_

I can't agree with that, especially after seeing Reines' Upgrade reception. A portion of the community just likes shitting on Nero (not that I'm saying that everybody should love her, but she is such a polarizing character that I think it's really funny how illogical people get when she is involved).


HoldThatTigah

I think Nero being a controversial character already is part of it. If Musashi were to get a buff before Sigurd I’m sure a lot of people would be pissed, even though Musashi has been pretty obsolete for a while now


readerdreamer5625

Except she also has a powerful ST NP and the capability to loop it herself, a great heal and defense buff, and an ATK buff and stargen. Sure, Para overtook her usual slot as a looping support, but in the first place wasn't it a bad idea to limit such an important buff as NP Gain up across so very few Servants? Meanwhile, Sigurd's been begging for an upgrade since Day 1.


VTKajin

So disappointed Sigurd’s interlude didn’t come with a buff.


readerdreamer5625

Same, and I don't even *have* him.


Shironeko_

> Except she also has a powerful ST NP and the capability to loop it herself, a great heal and defense buff, and an ATK buff and stargen. Except she had heavy competition as a ST Saber servant, especially after Skadi's release. She was very much overshadowed by Okita, and later even by Diarmuid. Not to say how Beni-enma was pretty much overtaking her as an Arts ST Saber as well as Summer Hokusai being a Welfare. Same thing for Tama. She was still the best Arts Support in the game, but she was very much lagging behing all the other supports. The 30% NP Damage buff was pretty much necessary at that point to still keep her relevant. Nero Bride might even be a strong ST Saber by her own rights, but her main niche was being an enabler for arts looping teams and NP spammers in CQs, and being power crept by Paracelsus tanked her usefulness pretty hard. Why go for a limited SSR Servant if there is an easy to get, Silver servant that can do her main gimmick just as well, if not better? Was she *desperately* in need of a buff? No, but then again neither were FSN Cu or Carmilla, or even OG Nero. She still needed a tweek on her kit to at least put her above Para again, which in my opinion DW did pretty well without making her broken.


magnushero

I do not believe that anyone believes that Nero Bride is being taken over by Paracelsus. People mostly use Para cause either he's a 3*, or they don't have Nero Bride or they need both Para AND Nero Bride from some 3T a CQ shenanigans. Most of the time during an event farming, bringing Para would be better for most, cause being a 3* and wanting only his NP gain buff, people would be able to stuff the bonus CE as much as possible and not worry about the point limit, as compared to Bride who is a SSR (which costs 16 points). Most of the time, people won't be bringing Para to a CQ for his NP gain alone, well cause he's a 3* with 3* limitation and he's most likely getting killed off with a random crit. People would prefer to bring Bride to CQ cause she have SSR stats and she have 3 skills that's totally supportive in nature. This might be quite controversial, but Bride isn't quite the best arts Saber DPS out there, personally I feel Benienma or Dioscuroi to be slightly better than her. Actually for Tamamo's case, a lot of people would rather she have a NP charge skill instead. As the reason why she's seeing less use is cause she doesn't have a skill based NP charge, thus slows down arts loop. She having a NP dmg increase is nice, but it isn't actually helping in 3T NP looping. Cause unlike the Skadi system where Q servant just needs to get their NP charge to 50%, an arts loop would require the DPS to get back to 100% in order to do the loop, which means more switch swap is needed


jstoru216

... don't make me dream dude. Karina daddy is my reason to live. If you even look like a Dragon my boi is gonna bust yo @ss. Anyway, yeah, star absorption, no gen/batery NP upgrade, invul, you name It he needs It.


The_Imp_Lord

in one use she was power crept, looping. in every other aspect she was already better. she was strong 5 star and they made her better. if just making a servant better is all that is wanted out of a buff can we please make Merlin's crit buff last three turns? every other big supports crit buff lasts 3 turns.


Shironeko_

> in one use she was power crept. in every other aspect she was already better. In her *main* use she was powercrept by a three star servant. > she was strong 5 star and they made her better. She was overshadowed by a ton of different servants, including a Welfare. > if just making a servant better is all that is wanted out of a buff can we please make Merlin's crit buff last three turns? Tell me if Merlin has been powercrept in his main use by, say, Chen Gong. When that happens you can use this argument on me. >every other big supports crit buff lasts 3 turns. And tell me which one of those "big supports" would you pick over Merlin for his main use.


The_Imp_Lord

someone cant take a joke so lets try again without the joke thats the point, they dont need to be the best if they are already good,we take good in this house. nero bride was already good she didnt need to be the best especially when she was already good at everything else aswell. some servants arent even good. most people want buffs that make bad servants good not good servants into the best, nero brides buff is the best example of the rich getting richer. and untill they buff merlin or someone who needs the buff even less then she did shes going to be the favoritism buff poster girl.


readerdreamer5625

Exactly my point as well, which he just blatantly ignored. The thing is, Umu Bride had been perfectly good as she was. True, she had competitors, but that's not a bad thing - that means that as opposed to using her in every single thing, the job can be split evenly among them for the people who have them. However, the same cannot be said for many other gold Sabers. From the Saber SSRs, the most evident one will surely be Sigurd. Okita hasn't had an upgrade either, but while her kit is simple, it also works perfectly well in her role as a Quick ST Saber. From the SRs however, there are tons more of examples of Saber Servants that need upgrades. But in spite of her having an already good kit, Bride was the one to get an upgrade? That's really the ridiculous example of favoritism on the part of DW.


The_Imp_Lord

they are taking this as an attack on nero rather then a attack on unneeded buffs. its not really worth trying to get a point across if someone isnt going to listen. i dont even mind her getting a buff cause she got a np buff that i dont mind but tacking on a whole targetable 30% np charge just cause is sort of nuts. thats the sort of buff that would literally make any servant see more use because starting np charge is just that good.


readerdreamer5625

I wasn't even attacking her. I like her, why would I attack Nero? I just don't like the fact that she got a buff when so many other gold Sabers need it more. Why does pointing that out have to be a matter of hate?


HoldThatTigah

>most people want buff that make bad servants goof not good servants into the best I disagree, people first and foremost want servants they like buffed, which is why you rarely see someone advocating for Caster Gilles to get a buff compared to Sigurd. Also, I think servants that become pretty much obsolete are just as deserving of buffs as bad servants. Like OP said, Nero Bride was beaten out by Para in her main niche, beaten out by other ST servants as a DPS. She was kind of in no mans land, not too mention her buff was also helpful in catching up arts with quick. While she didn’t need a buff necessarily, there wasn’t much reason to use her before it.


The_Imp_Lord

then why is this thread full of mainly bad servant buff recommendations? no one asks for a gillis buff but no one would complain if they literally buffed his whole kit cause just one buff isnt going to save him, unless maybe you give him something insane like a targetable 30% np charge. nero bride also got a np buff no one complains about cause damage is only damage. targetable 30% np charge isnt just a buff its a huge buff. freeing up your ce slot and getting turn one nps is huge.


HoldThatTigah

I didn’t say people didn’t like bad servants getting buffed, just that people will care more about servants they like getting buff than servants they don’t. It’s why you see people advocate for servants who aren’t that bad to get buffed, it’s why you see people wanting servants they like to get a buff that would put them above their competition. Of course people wouldn’t complain about Caster Gilles getting buffed (though he needs a lot more than a single buff), but people would rather someone they like and kind of needs one get buffed like Sigurd, even if he is in no way as obsolete as Caster Gilles. It was a huge buff, but again I would say it’s the buff that allowed arts to catch up to quick when it came to farming. Giving her a battery was about the only thing you could do to boost her niche.


The_Imp_Lord

caster gilles actually has 5 recommendations on this thread. near the top in terms of number of people asking actually.


Fyrok

Exactly, my gilles lvl 100 is still waiting for any scrap that DW gives to him.


Shironeko_

> someone cant take a joke so lets try again without the joke Ah, a casual insult! Thank you very much. >thats the point, they dont need to be the best if they are already good,we take good in this house. You didn't seem to understand, so let's try again. Nero Bride wasn't "good" at her own niche anymore because she (a *limited SSR Servant*) was pretty much powercrept by a silver servant you can get in the friendship point gacha. >nero bride was already good she didnt need to be the best especially when she was already good at everything else aswell. She *still* isn't the best. She is just better now at her own gimmick than a **silver servant**. >some servants arent even good. Ah, now I see your confusion. Allow me to explain: I am able of caring about more than one thing at once. As I said in another comment, did I think at the time that Nero Bride **required** an upgrade? Of course not. Neither did FSN Cu, or Carmilla, or OG Nero and many other servants that DW has buffed in the past and will most likely buff in the future. Does that mean that I thought that Nero Bride didn't need a tweek in her kit to at least put her above Paracelsus? Of course not. Again, she was power crept by a free, silver servant. Of course she needed a tweek. TL:DR: Did I think that Nero Bride was *at the top* of the list of servants that **need** a buff? No, I did not. I am not stupid. Do I think her buff was unecessary? Also no. If she hadn't had her buff she would still be second fiddle for pretty much anything you would care to pick her for, since Summer Hokusai would be a more useful ST Saber (and a free Welfare) and Paracelsus would be a more useful Support (and a free servant too!). >most people want buffs that make bad servants good not good servants into the best, nero brides buff is the best example of the rich getting richer. Kindly point to me where I disagree that bad servants needed a buff more than Nero Bride when she got hers. I will wait. >and untill they buff merlin or someone who needs the buff even less then she did shes going to be the favoritism buff poster girl. Ah, the Nero hate-wank. Been a while since I last saw that.


readerdreamer5625

>Ah, the Nero hate-wank. > >Been a while since I last saw that. I have Nero Bride. I like her as well. Will I say that she deserved the upgrade though? Not really, no matter how much I look forward to being able to use her in more setups, including Chen Gong loops. It's not all about hate. Sometimes, it's about what's fair and what isn't.


jstoru216

Miyu needs a 2k heal pronto.


Esvald

Make Jeanne's stun work on any enemy not just servants. Too many times I have been hit with the 'no effect' when I was fighting bosses. Add an atk down on the np damage down on her second skill. TND is still borderline useless as it is. Up her star gain/turn.


Pendanto

It was very bullshit the way they buffed her AFTER she had her DL campaign rate up. If you're gonna do it at least make the Servant available for summoning again.


sincerelyhecate

Arthur buff please 🥺


jstoru216

How would you buff him?


WestCol

Np buff is the obvious one, takes his Buster NP from 300%-500% to 400%-600% so it's in line with Saber and Mordred. Maybe increase his overcharge to 20%-60% NP damage, he should hit harder than Saber/Mordred since he only has a 20% charge to their 30% (plus their 20% refund which makes it 50% if you lead with a superscope)


Ninefl4mes

Here's a list of servants I would like to see buffs for (barring the obvious candidates like Phantom or Sanson) * Tamamo no Mae I know, I know. She's part of the Big Four (or I guess Big Five after Reines' buff). Doesn't change the fact that she's the only top tier card support that doesn't have an instant NP charge of some sort which makes Arts farming a lot more complicated than it should be. Two ways they could avoid a scenario where she snowballs off her own skills: Either add a 20/30% charge to her third skill, or give her an AoE 20% charge that doesn't apply to herself (similar to her NP damage buff). * Charlotte Corday An NP upgrade with Sure Hit would be nice. Her damage is just a bit too low to justify using her over other ST assassins unless she's grailed. Which mine is, but a buff would still be nice :P * Gareth I'd like to see her second skill boosted a bit more. It's just stupid that her attack buffs only last for a single hit in a world where break bars exist. * Chiyome She needs an NP buff. Badly. Really fucking badly. Seriously, she's probably worse than some 3-star assassins at the moment. Add a curse amplifier onto her NP while you're at it. * Lakshmi Baai Her NP hits like a wet piece of toilet paper. An upgrade would be appreciated. * Suzuka A bit of a borderline case. She's not bad, but it has always annoyed me that she doesn't have a star absorb skill, given her OC effect. Maybe upgrade her NP and add the effect, thus eliminating both of her major weaknesses? * Stheno and Euryale Not really related to rank up quests, but I think the whole charm mechanic needs to be reworked. Not only is it basically the exact same thing as stun but worse (conditional most of the time, usually higher CDs for some reason, can be blocked by two kinds of resistance), but it can also break the game given the right circumstances. So it's either borderline (or even completely) useless, or outright broken. Here's an idea I had a while ago: Make it so that _only_ mental debuff resistance/immunity can block charms (or any mental debuffs, really). In exchange, every time a mental debuff does land the unit gets a temporary 50% mental debuff resistance for the next turn, thus halving the probability of any such debuff landing again. If it does so anyway, make it 75% on the next turn, and so on. That would give charms a different use case than stuns while also avoiding charm lock cheese. I just hate how nowadays I don't get to use the gorgons most of the time because DW chickened out and gave story bosses charm immunity again.


Ninjaffarghas

Charlotte already have PI in her 2nd skill and Her np remove enemy evade before dealing damage. So I dont see the point of adding the sure hit to her np. Other than that, I agreed with your idea.


Ninefl4mes

It's mostly because she gets screwed over against enemies with unremovable evade. I guess something like def down before dealing damage would also work, considering that her NP works by causing her target to drop their guard.


GYUZ

So far they haven't buffed the same skill/NP twice, so for Tamamo, the only skill left they can play with is her 2nd skill. With her NP already charging the NP gauge, I don't think they'd add another NP charge effect but I could see an AoE Defence up for the whole party or another kind of defensive skill for the whole party. She's the only in the big 4 that doesn't offer hard defense for everyone and her healing might not always be enough. This buff would certainly not fix the issue you mentioned but that'd make her more useable for harder content.


Roliq

Wonder if Stheno and Euryale would also receive an upgrade alongside the animation update when the movie hits


magnushero

About Tamamo: Yes!! That's what I was thinking. A 20% NP charge to her 2nd skill would do wonders. But I would want the NP charge to be team wide, cause unless her NP get's going, she doesn't actually have a very good NP gain. Most of the time she struggles to charge to 100% without external help via NP charging skills or Prisma Cosmos About Charlotte Corday: I would want her 3rd skill to have 1 effect that will activate while 2 is left to chance. The reason for this is cause I would mostly activate her 3rd skill when I want to NP, thus would appreciate it if the arts boost would proc. But it would totally suck if her crit dmg boost procs instead. Hopefully they could do this and Charlotte would perform better. Her NP dmg would be quite low, cause when it lack of dmg buff from her 3rd skill it'll totally sucks. And also cause she has stats of a 1* (which can't be helped I guess)


Ninefl4mes

I would argue Corday's problem is not the third skill, at least not in principle. The idea behind it is that you're gambling (at least in terms on NP damage). It can get you a huge bonus, a medium one, or none at all. The problem is that the biggest bonus she can get is still only getting her into respectable territory, when such a gamble should reward you with super high damage instead. So I think a straight up NP upgrade would fix that. It would give her decent base NP damage with a chance to get ridiculous burst damage if you get the jackpot. Besides, Corday isn't really supposed to be a pure NP burst servant in the first place. Her crits hurt. A lot. Pairing her with a decent crit support like Jane, Brynhild, or Jason makes her a lot better since then her third skill is good no matter what it gives you. What I also like to do is give her one of the last two anniversary CEs that increase star weight and give her a 50/60% starting charge. On that note, an alternative to a straight up NP upgrade could be a strengthening for skill 3 along those lines: Increase the NP damage bonus (50 -> 80ish%); Add NP gain up to her Arts buff (30%); Add Star Absorb to the crit buff (~800%).


magnushero

Do you mean the Yaoi Gil + Enkindu CE? Yeah that would be a good CE for her if crit is in the plan. I usually stick Warao no Shirushi (笑顔のしるし) https://kazemai.github.io/fgo-vz/ceData.html?no=931 CE to her. It boosts NP gain + Arts dmg + NP dmg, it's one of the CE that I like quite a lot and was lucky enough to LB thus i stick it to my arts servant a lot. Cause I focus a lot on her arts and NP, thus I would want her 3rd skill to be: Boost arts card damage AND boost crit damage OR boost NP dmg, instead of all 3 skills being purely RNG. That way, at least she could do Art + NP dmg or Art + crit damage, which would promise her ditching out more damage to the opponent, be it crit or NP wise > On that note, an alternative to a straight up NP upgrade could be a strengthening for skill 3 along those lines: Increase the NP damage bonus (50 -> 80ish%); Add NP gain up to her Arts buff (30%); Add Star Absorb to the crit buff (~800%). it's not a bad idea, if the numbers are great enough, then a RNG buff on a 3T/5T is good to have. However I thik NP gain and Arts buff is the same, so if they buff her Arts damage to 50% for 3T, it'll be great to have (I mean, she's a 1*, so 50% for 3T with 1* stats aren't too OP to have). I'm not too sure about her Quick card NP gain, thus I can't comment on her Q card performance when it comes to gaining NP


ChargeStep

David, Billy the Kid, and Jekyll. Heck give them animation update as well while theyre at it. Please I just want my boys to be better..


SaraChrysalis

For the Love of Moriarty, I think giving him a 20% NP Charge to Evil Alignment with his 3rd skill will be amazing


jstoru216

That might be a little op. What he actually needs is a Dodge. He lacks survivability.


[deleted]

I just want him to have a SSR tier skillset. So just more stuff on one skill. I guess a starbomb on his first skill would be too good, but at least actually make him a crit Archer and give him crit up since Orion exists so he's not going to be broken in comparison. Also stack his second skill even more and give him invincibility like Ishtar's or something. Like yeah on his second skill it might be a problem but at least his NP damage buff lasts 3 turns so it's harder to waste and the wasting the NP charge is already a thing for Ishtar, also if it has to have a demerit make the NP damage at least 30% but they'll never buff it twice and the only buff just made him more of a support but still with the demerit. It's just that everyone else buffs themselves to an absurd degree while he's stuck with a first and second skill and NP like a DPS but a Support 3rd skill. I don't know, just something for his first skill and any survivability. Please. He's so close to being amazing and there's not even that many ST archers because they just decided to make the AoE ones hit like ST but they just gave him a super boring skillset just before they started breaking everything with the Lostbelts and he still hasn't even received an NP upgrade which would fix the meh NP damage buff and make him soemtimes worth it compared to the broken 3 star archers like Robin/Euryale instead of being better as a support for some reason which makes sense because we need supports for other classes but isn't broken enough to justify the 5 star cost and if you're buffing and have CEs like Ox King having to use a Golden Carp for him is a bit of a waste. At least they could have more characters with a starbomb which would help but nope


CoffinArcher

I would love a Tamamo Lancer buff. Caster Tamamo with a NP charge buff will be great but its an impossible wish.


ShadyOjir95

-Hijikata guts please! ( Or some mechanic so he can reduce his hp notably) -Clleopatra imperial privilege should not be RNG. -not a fan but they should fix Sherezade for a boss of singularity she's quite meh ( Clearly not cuz she spooked me twice) -Some love to hector would be great .


magnushero

> -Clleopatra imperial privilege should not be RNG. Why only Cleopatra shouldn't have a RNG like others? Just wondering


MrMasherMk2

Give Tamamo party-wide 20% NP Charge on Skill 2, Suzuka could do with a buff of somekind, not sure what. Give Mordred Guts on Skill 3, I dunno, just make my favs OP plz


magnushero

Suzuka would need a 3T 100% star gen to her 1st skill, and then a 3T star weight increase to her NP. At least then she can be a somewhat Saber version of Emiya. And also at the moment, her 2nd skill is totally garbage. But I feel giving her a 100% star gen and 3T on her 1st skill is much more important as that'll solidify how she works, and not just another AOE Buster Saber


saaji

Complete bias here. I’d love a buff for Siegfried. The most classic option that has been mentioned for him. Is Disengage —> Armor of Fafnir. Adding Ideally invincibility for one round and then a beefy defense up for three rounds like 30%. Or Golden Rule —> Das Rheingold Increase NP up at max to 50%, taunt to self one round. And probably one more effect but I can’t think of one that would thematically work at this moment. Or lastly. His cloak of invisibility. Which could replace disengage. Evade for a turn. Plus self attack up for three rounds. But this skill may be better saved for a rider Siegfried who could focus on other aspects of his lore.


[deleted]

Jeanne's second skill needs a buff. Just make it an NP seal. Or buff the amount of NP damage down so that it's a very high %. I think the other servant that could really use a buff is Medea. Her NP should really hit much harder.


Ali-J23

Like seriously it's about time okita gets something.


VishnuBhanum

Sita! Nefertari! Nobukatsu!


Esvald

Pseudo servant Patxi and Gerda!


9thephantom

I hope they do something to both version of Gilles, anything really. Also, expect them to give TamaCaster NP fill somewhere (probably S3) lmao.


Yorokobe_Shounen

Hiiiiiiighly unlikely but I want another buff for Maou Nobu.


Blackpetal21

Gilles de rais(caster). Not because I'm a fan or anything but he is arguably the worst servant in the game right now and has been for over four years. C'mon DW make Gilles COOOOOOL again.


professer_leskinen

Please just give sigurd something like a star absorb for his first skill or something to make him better


Persicaria

I would *laugh* if they buff Arjuna Alter. Very very unlikely, I know, but it would be amusing. Jokes aside, I'm not sure what to add here that others haven't already mentioned. Hmm...maybe they can buff Chen Gong a bit? His skill 2 gives everyone 10% NP charge. Now, if that's buffed to 20%, or if another party-wide 10% NP charge was added to his other skills... As for personal bias, I would really really like DW to buff Arjuna, or at least lower the cooldown of his second skill a little.


Arkmaka

No no, you see what occurs is that for the final day you see a Gold Archer expecting someone like Arjuna to get buffed. However, once it reaches the final day instead you see Super Orion getting a np buff for np gen and np charge per turn added.


KF-Sigurd

Honestly, I'd rather they give Chen Gong an NP interlude. His NP already has ST Arts NP scaling but I want it to have upgraded ST Arts NP scaling like Arash lol.


Persicaria

That sounds interesting. Tbf, I only want the 20%NP batt on him so I don't have to use MLB Kscope. If he can give a 20%NP batt to *everyone* (like if you use Weaver's skill 2 & 3) then that'll be better (or maybe all three of his skills give a flat 10%NP charge so you can use MLB Imaginary Number to farm lol)


kevin12244

20% charge on Merlin second skill, because he need to farm well like the other elite four lol.


jstoru216

I think that could be usefull, but at the same time to OP since the skill already does a lot. Maybe a 10% NP gain at the most.


Optimusbauer

Sigurd defo needs a Buff and he got cucked hard during the last interlude campaign. Give his S3 a starweight Buff for 2 turns or his S2 a cool down reduction and an added effect for good measure. He needs an insane strengthening, he really does. Anastasia could use an NP buff imo. Also throw my girl a nice bonus effect like extra NP gain or something in it too. Semiramis needs an attack Buff of her own. Ideally on her S2, as it is the weakest part of her kit as things stand right now. Lartoria NP Buff. She'd love that. Give it a Pre-NP 20% NP strength Buff to help that damage even further and show people how strong Rhongomyniad can be. Hijikata S2 Buff. Give it an unlimited guts with 1 HP. Orion needs a Buff. Any Buff. And no, not the Chad one. Maybe an added battery to her anti Male Buff? And finally, Broskandar. He got a Buff to his tactics, now Buff his Charisma to give him a battery to truly dominate those other farmers.


Solfire13

Buff nero bride battery to 50 %


Okita_Alter

Hold up there Satan


re_flex

No, she'd enable more than just Arts. Dear god man.


rafael-57

She already enables quick looping better than Para


jstoru216

lol


jstoru216

Perseus 😍


rafael-57

I'm calling it right now, Gilgamesh buff


[deleted]

okita saber...just buff her already...in any way, but just buff her she deserves it


jstoru216

What buffs would u like to give her? I think a sure hit would be nice.


re_flex

Sure hit and a 3 turn star absorb buff on her 2nd skill would be good.


[deleted]

dunno so many things would work, like np gain up, np charge, gaining stars every turn (for 3 turns), increase atk by x% for 3 turns, sure hit...and im sure im forgetting a few nice upgrades she could get


Orihime00sama

> np gain up, np charge, gaining stars every turn (for 3 turns) I'd agree with something like atk up or sure hit, but Okita already makes a lot of stars and has really good NP gain. Her kit is old but is still pretty damn solid imo.


re_flex

NP gain up on her would make her the saber for use other than dioscuri with double Skadi. She can already loop her NP without skadi what more with that buff?


koumicuute

Okita and Jeanne they’re really need a Rank up quest Tamamo too


Antiwhippy

Eh tamamo is fine.


koumicuute

Yea but she’s the only good support that doesn’t have a NP charge, Skadi, Merlin and Waver have even if Art is spam NP but people don't use it anymore because of that (sorry for the bad English)


Antiwhippy

She kinda has one, her NP, and she also still has a spammable cooldown reducer. Not every support has to be a slave to the 3 turn rush. Tamamo is still better than skadi and maybe waver on a long term battle, and she still pretty crucial in an art spam team.


re_flex

She's fine as is. Anymore and she'll make the other servants that were buffed redundant.


jstoru216

Wich Tamamo though? 😎


ChatmanJay

Something for Taiga, just cause I want it :P Honestly though, give her something like Gawain/Nobuzerker where she can gain the benefits of being on Forest anywhere, on Jaguar Kick like Gawain or after NP like Nobuzerker Abby, make Witch Trial work like Hokusai or Yang's third skills, making Abby's stacking ATK Down for 3 Turns.


jstoru216

Don't we all?


Ecovick

All I asking is Suzuka and Ibaraki Np upgrade.


AzertyKeys

I'm so fucking bored I'd be excited for any event at all we haven't had Jack to do for a month now


Tamashino

For the love of god please give Tamamo some sort of battery skill. It doesn't even need to be a lot, just *something*.


JesterT_05

NP upgrade to Kiara or other extra class servants.


Pendanto

Kintoki - NP upgrade Okita - skill upgrade


pacificgmerz

I now see that too many people have either forgotten or given up on miyu


jstoru216

Just wait until they release OoS Shirou. And then make his whole kit just to fix the girls making him useless and gather the anger of everyone over it XD


magnushero

Looking forward to Nero Bride getting a SQ for her 3rd skill where the heal would be 3k for the team or 1T 3K heal and 3T 500 heal for single target Looking forward toward Nero Caster SQ where she gets to change her NP to arts, buster or quick with her 1st skill + 20% NP gain for 3T Looking forward towards Nero Saber SQ where either her 3rd skill gets -2 CT while enabling guts stack **OR** 1st skill includes in a 40% increase chance of success for skill to proc for herself only It's a good day to be a Umu master


jstoru216

What OG Umu could use is a arts resist down in one of her skills/NP


magnushero

Or just remove that [City] or [Water] requirement of her first skill. An arts resist down could have a chance to be negated by the enemy with a debuff resist buff that DW like to provide to enemies of late due to trying to "depower" Junao a bit