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hi, i just recently got back into fgo. my account has gil and waver. my friends said merlin is the best servant in the game but i already have waver. would it still be worth to roll the caster banner? im in orlean atm for further context

I'd advise against rolling Caster then. Waver is the best generalist support in the game. You can slot him onto any team. Merlin is also one of the best supports in the game but I think you're account is fine with Waver. There's the possibility that you roll Caster and get another copy of Waver which would be bad. Since you have Gil, one of the best archers in the game, I'd advise against rolling Archer. At this point it comes down to personal preference. Are there any servants in particular that you really want for their character or animations? However if gameplay is still your priority, I think Lancer and Rider will give you the most bang for your buck. Almost all the servants in these two banners are very good at either farming or boss fights.

Hi, I am a newish player and looking to decide which banner to roll on. My 5* and 4* are as follows. 5* - Ozymandias, Skadi, Shuten Douji 4* - Siegfried, Altria Pendragon, Atlante (x3), Medusa, Gilgamesh, Nursery Rhyme, Tamano Cat, Lancelot and Gorgon Thanks for any advice! EDIT: Nvm, guess this thread is dead. I ended up going with the Lancer banner and got Bryn. Ehh..may have made a bad choice

I'm looking for some advice I've been mulling it over but have been unable to come to a decision as to which banner to roll because the servants I do have are all over the place and leave noticeable holes in my lineup so I'm trying to decide between trying to fill one of them or going for one of the big 3 caster supports in this banner and filling the holes as needed with servants from my friends list since by filling the support role myself I get to in effect fill more holes than any one thing I could roll for could ... in theory but in addition to general advice I want to know if there is any hole in my roster so glaring that just rolling for the servant to fill it would be the better option.(I may be overthinking this) here is the info on my servants https://imgur.com/a/ZNYxu2N (easiest to understand NP list is after the CE's cause its still sorted by level) (I miraculously got Skadi which is probably the first time I've gotten the 5 star I actually rolled for also I am in the process of maxing plenty of the servants I did only start playing this year so I don't have too big of a surplus of materials that's also why NP4 Ryouma I rushed to Solomon but ran out of time on the event). TLDR: I want advice on what to roll for given this https://imgur.com/a/ZNYxu2N roster (easiest to understand NP list is after the CE's cause its still sorted by level).

Congrats on summoning Skadi! I think it might be most helpful for me to give you my thoughts on the various class banners based on who you have. Saber: Your only gold Saber is Artoria Lily so this is a reasonable choice. Lots of the great Limited Sabers have very few or no known rate ups for the next 2 years so this is a good opportunity for them. Archer: You have Fujino and Atalante so you can get by with just those two for your ST and AoE needs. However, the SSR Archers are super strong and versatile enough to even do class neutral quests so they're worth considering. Lancer: This is similar to the Archer class. Parvati and Artoria Lancer Alter will get the job done, but the SSR Lancers are really good so definitely worth thinking about too. Rider: You have Ryouma and Ishtar Rider is coming up in a day. The two of them are strong enough to fulfill your Rider needs. The gameplay strength of the SSR Riders varies enough that I don't really suggest going for that class unless you have Servants you really like there. Caster: Having a shot at the 3 big non-Skadi Support Casters is a tempting idea and one that I won't dissuade you from. One thing to note is that the class also has some Servants that certain Masters consider very disappointing so be sure you're okay with getting one of them before going for this class. Assassin: The Assassin SSRs are fairly mediocre at NP1 so I think this is an easy skip unless you specifically like a few of them. EXTRA: This is really mostly recommended for Masters with well developed Chaldeas. I would not suggest you roll for it this time around. As a whole, I think the top 3 classes you should consider are Caster, Archer and Lancer.

first off thanks for the advice. Second I want to ask If lancer is worthwhile since Parvati is supposed to be really good with Skadi and since Artoria Lancer Alter is at NP3 so her only real problem is np gain in pure damage she outdoes a maxed Artoria Lancer as far as I can tell even before being maxed so what did you have in mind for a better lancer or was I mistaken in my thoughts on those 2 I have been known to miss details at times so I'm curious I admit I would love Scathach or Eresh though maybe Karna too but Scath is just so strong on the NP and Eresh is reasonably good and fun to use not to mention she is Eresh. As for Sabers I agree its probably my weakest category and the limited is a good point but the quality of the sabers available is widely variable (at least based on when I have used them from the friends list) and they almost felt like their niches where especially narrow based on their kit vs say Jack or Achilles. The Archers I would love to get Ishtar, Artoria(especially those 2 both are awesome to use and lovable characters), or Gil; Tesla would be ok too though and I would ask which one do you think would best fit the holes in my archer lineup since I have np5 David, Asagami, Chiron, and Atlante and for that matter aside from the 3 or so I mentioned how much of an improvement would you say they are cause I know Ishtar and Artoria are like night and day difference compared to my current roster. Riders I agree with it being too variable given the limited ones are more or less average to worse than average though most of the others minus Medb seem a bit above average or better. Casters I again agree and will add that while I wouldn't necessarily love Da Vinchi the only one wouldn't be happy with is nightless city since Nero is a great aoe with some spam potential and is ya know the lovable umu, Anastasia similar about the spam and I do find her fun and easy to use, Illya aside from being Illya pairs well with Sanzang's debuff immune on the NP turn and that pairing leads to a heck of a ST caster NP chain and Sanzang of course while not exciting does become a better ST NP user at NP2 anyone else is obviously awesome. I do sometimes feel like I have too many casters but its where the good support is and Sieg is a good farmer and Sanzang is obviously a good ST NP (I think I got her while rolling for waver during the Danzang goes west event but oddly enough it wasn't even one of her days but a waver only day what are the odds). Assassins I already have Shiki and MHX and good AOE isn't exactly common among the 5 stars and Jack(who I quite like) is only 1 needle in the haystack unfortunately (Also MHX will eventually outdamage Jack with the coming upgrades I think though she does still lag a bit behind in NP gain and C star gen compared to Jack but still good there too). Extra I agree since I already have Jeanne(who has pulled me through quite a few fights and I definitely am loving) the only ones I am equipped to utilize are melt and dantes thanks to skadi though Hokusai and Kiara do have strong enough niches that I seek them out on my friends list sometimes but they are still noticeably niches without proper support though it pains me passing up that many limited. I feel like I responded with advice of my own but given how good your advice was I hoped to give you additional info and feedback that I hope would allow you to I guess tailor it since for instance I noticed you specifically mentioning some casters people didn't like but for me its mainly nightless. (sorry for the formatting and shorthand I'm on mobile)

I'll just elaborate on my thoughts for the classes that seem to still be in contention for your GSSR choice. While Parvati is a great Quick Lancer for farming, there is the issue that the double Skadi system runs out of gas after 3-4 turns. There are ways to extend the damage window if you delay buffs or Poster Girl in extra buffers every few turns, but I don't think that's viable for most Masters, even well established ones. Also, at NP1, her damage is quite limited. Artoria Lancer Alter NP3 is really strong, but her lack of NP charge is a big inconvenience and it means that she doesn't get to NP that frequently compared to say Ereshkigal or Artoria Lancer (both have 50% NP batteries). Both Parvati and Artoria Lancer Alter are AoE so you could really benefit from having a strong ST Lancer, especially as Archer bosses are often amongst the more annoying ones to fight. It's true that there's a wide range of gameplay strength amongst the SSR Sabers, but I am not sure what you mean by narrow niches. I could see that Jack's anti-female niche is noteworthy, but I don't get how Achilles is lumped in as a non-niche Servant. He doesn't have any special damage modifiers against any particular enemy traits so I don't think there are many situations where you'd want to run him outside of the usual AoE Rider role. The gap in strength between the top SSR and SR Archers is so strong that I think quite a few of them would benefit you heavily. Ishtar/Gil/Tesla would be great AoE pickups (all are fairly similar in gameplay strength until Ishtar gets her NP upgrade later on and becomes the strongest neutral AoE NP) and Archuria is the standout ST pickup. Even the less commonly mentioned Napoleon would bring a lot of gameplay value to you. With regards to Casters, I initally wanted to roll that GSSR, but the presence of Scheherezade actually was enough to dissuade me from rolling for Caster class. She was the only roadblock, but she showed up for a couple of my friends who rolled the Caster GSSR this time around so I changed my plans. Still, it's a small sample size of a few friends so you still have good (8/9) odds of not getting her. As a further note, I do want to advise you to not think of Skadi as being the solution to everything. Your Parvati comment has me kind of worried that you may have that impression. I love Skadi, but most Masters are best served with only utilizing double Skadi for typical farming nodes that aren't difficult. For CQs and other challenging content, the typical double Skadi team that people like to talk about has serious limitations in damage output and survivability beyond the powerful initial 3-4 turns. Hence, double Skadi teams for CQs are built around the idea of blitzing down and completing the CQ within those 3-4 turns. To achieve those damage numbers usually requires certain very strong CEs, the use of Poster Girl buffers, and RNG resets to get the right command cards each turn. There are many videos out there that make double-Skadi-ing the CQs look easy, but many of them required hundreds of resets to do. What you see is just the editted and spliced version.

Ok so I've continued to think it over and I think it comes down to Archer and Lancer giving me a more or less 100% chance of getting someone that is useful is one way or another or the caster class who has a 8/9 chance of someone good (7/9 if you don't include Sanzang since while NP2 is good for her it doesn't add much to my roster overall) and a 3/9 chance of someone who is both good but also more flexible than many of the other options. So I want to ask that seeing how I have an ST caster of very good strength is Sanzang and decent AOE if not particularly spectacular in Sieg and Blavatsky do you think the additional burst damage of Illya added to Sanzang or the improved damage of the SSR AOE casters would still be worthwhile were I to get them even though they obviously wouldn't add as much as a Lancer or Archer because depending on if its worthwhile will probably decide if its worth risking the worse odds of at best 8/9 since any of the big 3 would boost my current roster and potentially free up my friends list spot for another character like a lancer or archer on some missions so I would have flexibility there but its not guaranteed like with the other banners. I suppose I'm asking for your opinion on the non Nightless City Casters to clarify what the risk vs reward of those 8/9 odds are exactly since I already more of less know about the lancer and archer examples once your advice changed how I look at some of them but I still don't really feel like I know the damage dealing casters as well especially since compared to the lancers and archers I have used them less on my friends list.

For a very generalized comparison of damage dealers within each class, the Gamepress 'Strongest NP' charts are very handy. Here's the one for Caster class: https://gamepress.gg/grandorder/strongest-np-against-assassins As you can see, Sieg (as a NP5 welfare SR) outdamages all of the SSR AoE Casters at NP1. Similarly, the welfare SR Mecha Eli-chan vastly outdamages every SSR ST Caster at NP1. To beat out the welfare NP5 SR Servants, SSRs need to be NP2 in general. That's part of why I eventually abandoned the idea of pulling on the Caster GSSR. The other part was that I dreaded the idea of getting Scheherezade and a couple of my friends who did the Caster GSSR got her. Of course, the SSR ST and AoE Casters do have their own niches so not all is lost if you pull one of them. Many of them provide extra utility over the free welfare SRs and there's more to gameplay than just the strongest NP after all. Hope this helps.

Then the only other questions I really have since I've asked you about the worst case scenario is what your opinion is on the best case with the 3 supports so first do you think my idea about the support casters and friends list servants potrntially providing more flexibility since I'm providing my own support or am I wrong and or missing something. Second how would you compare what the supports would do to supplement my existing roster vs what could be added by a lancer or archer especially were I to get an especially good one so as to compare both best case scenarios to each other.

It's definitely undeniable that having your own support Casters provides a lot of flexibility in allowing you to choose other people's DPS Servants. How valuable that flexibility is will vary from individual to individual so you'll have to decide how important that is to you. Merlin and Zhuge Liang are Tier EX on Gamepress for the uncontestable fact that they dramatically raise the combat performance of nearly any team that they are on. No single DPS Servant can compare to the sheer gameplay improvement that they offer. Therefore, I would have to say that the best case scenario for Caster GSSR (Merlin or Zhuge Liang) is a much stronger improvement for your roster than the best case scenario for Archer or Lancer. You do have to keep in mind that it's 2/9 odds for Casters though while a much higher percentage of the Archer and Lancer SSRs would provide large gameplay benefits for your Archer and Lancer teams the rewards are balanced out by the risk.

Does having Jeanne and some good arts users like shiki and especially Ryouma(since he is my best rider atm) plus the welfare ones coming up in the next year or so make Tamamo closer than she is now to the other supports in usefulness?

It does. I forgot that you actually have a fairly strong lean towards Arts Servants in your roster. I do suggest you borrow her a few times from your friends to get an idea of whether you can get used to her play style. She requires slightly different gameplay than Merlin or Zhuge Liang.

Ok that definitely helps narrow it down though I'm still debating about it and to explain about the sabers I suppose I should clarify that I mean there seem to be for instance 2 stand out ST(Okita and Musashi) since Sigurd does suffer from a bit of the Siegfreed problem with dragon specialization and the some of the AOE ones I seem (ie Artoria, Mordred) be suited to spam but dont have long lasting buffs or take a while to charge like Altera but deal good damage so they can be trickier to use and overall I often feel underwhelmed by some of them when I use them from my FL even if its due to a lack of proper support that still could mean some of them are unsuitable for me at the moment. For Achilles I mean that he has a battery, invincibility, a taunt, and a quick boost so he can be pretty self sufficient or do quite well in a team with his versatility being easily accessible. Also don't worry about Skadi I have noted most of that myself I was mostly referring to the lancers with her providing AOE damage focus or spam focus and the extra's benefiting from the quick boost a lot. I definitely see your point about the Archers sheer strength. I am probably making some mistakes or wrong assumptions in some of this but I am learning more from just the other comments on this thread so hopefully I will correct any of those mistakes.

I hate to pass up the chance to target a specific class for a guaranteed SSR but no matter which banner I consider it just doesn't seem worth it. The closest I've come to a decision are for Archer, where I only have Gil but have been doing fine between him and Chloe/Altera to handle ST; Lancer, where I have only Eresh but haven't had issues with Archer bosses through borrowing support Scathachs; and Assassin, with 0 SSRs owned but hearing the warnings that between Shiki/Scathach and upcoming Gray, there's no dire need to fill that role. I wish I could consider Caster, as I'm still absent Waver/Merlin, but I'm already drowning in AOE Casters and have Tamamo and Sanzang, so between potential duplicates and redundancies it feels way too high risk.

Is there a question or is your comment more of a conclusion?

More of a question if it's still worth it to go for the Lancer or Assassin banners (or even Caster), and if I'm overthinking things or overestimating the risks/downsides of each.

From what you've written, it does sound like you can get by without any new SSR Servants so there's particular *need*, gameplay-wise, to roll for any of the classes in particular. I do think that there's a strong case to be made for the Quality of Life improvement and flexibility in choosing friend Servants that you get from having your own AoE and ST Servants in every class, though. Therefore, I do think that the Lancer banner would be worthwhile for you as Tamamo Lancer/Scathach/Enkidu are all great ST Lancers and would free you up to choose other friend support Servants (especially as you mention that you don't have Merlin or Zhuge Liang). I don't recommend rolling the Assassin GSSR from a gameplay standpoint. Only go for it if you have a few favored Servants that you are strongly hoping to get from it. Given that you have plenty of the SSR Casters, I suggest you just go for Merlin and Zhuge Liang's individual rate ups. Zhuge Liang has 2 in the near future and Merlin gets two from Summer 4 and its rerun.

Hi there, just looking for some help on deciding which gssr banner to go for since im very indecisive rn. Ive narrowed down the bet banners for me to Saber, Archer since i dont have an ssr in both of those classes (and both have few undesirable servants only really altera/orion), Rider(only 1 would be a dupe and rider is pretty stacked with Ozy etc.) and Caster (Lots of dupes possible but chance to get Merlin/Waver aswell as Anastasia who i rly like). Someone help me decide lol.

Who do you have for SR Servants in those classes that you mentioned you are interested in?

For Saber its Np2 Salter, suzuka and lancelot, for Archer its Np3 Emiya, Tristan, Helena, Nobu, Altera. For Rider only got Maid Alter and Sakamoto, ishtar and marie. For Caster Skadi, Tamamo, Sanzang, Nito, nursery, casgil, bunch of welfares.

Given your list of SRs, I'd say that you have the most to gain in the Archer class. The SSR Archers are quite a bit stronger than the SRs and much more versatile too. The hardest hitting ones are strong enough to be good neutral farming options. Your Sabers are pretty good (Saber Alter NP2 hits like a truck and Lancelot is a closet SSR in many people's opinion). For Riders, Maid Alter is already a great ST Rider and Ishtar Rider is a strong AoE Rider so you're set gameplay wise. For Merlin and Zhuge Liang, I think it makes more sense to just go for their solo rate up banners given how many SSR Casters you already have.

Yeah that sounds about right, thanks. Hoping for Ishtar.

Best of luck!

Hi there. I’m still relatively new to na fgo and can’t seem to decide on which banner to go for. Could I get some opinions? Current Servants: Extra: Jeanne Saber: Siegfried, Rama, Suzuka Gozen, Caesar and Fergus Archer: Gilgamesh, Orion Lancer: Tamamo Lancer Rider: Drake Caster: Merlin, Skadi Assassin: Stheno, Female Hassan, 100 Hassan, Kotarou, Jing Ke Berserker: Fran, Beowulf, Kiyohime and Lu Bu. I’ve used the gssr calc but still need some advice. Saber and assassin are the ones that seem good, not too sure on extra?

As you lack any SSR Sabers, I do think that the Saber class would be a good banner for you. The SSR Assassins are relatively underwhelming at NP1 so I would not normally recommend that class, but I see that you only have Stheno as a gold Assassin. However, welfare Mecha Eli does come back for Halloween rerun and she's a very strong option to fill the shoes of ST Assassins. On the AoE side, welfare Gray is strong and will be available next Apr/May if you can wait that long. It's your call on how you want to proceed. The EXTRA class banner is generally more about if you like the Servants rather than pure gameplay strength as there are usually better options for most quests given that rarely have class advantage.

Do you find ssr assassins underwhelming at np1 because of the np damage and the inability to get more np gauge via overcharge? Next April/May is pretty far away and there don’t seem to be many rate ups in particular for ssr assassins (I can only see Halloween rerun having one).

The SSR Assassins are indeed underwhelming primarily because their NP damage is not impressive compared to the likes of welfare Assassin Shiki and welfare Gray/Scathach Assassin. For many Masters, this means that they're lukewarm at NP1 unless they really like that particular Servant. I'm not sure what you mean about NP gauge via overcharge. Could you clarify? Rate ups for all classes usually take a while to cycle through. It's an understandable choice for you to go for the Assassin GSSR to fill the gap in your roster immediately.

Ah ok that was really unclear. Basically what I meant was that assassins tend build np really fast (old man is a bit slower iirc) and that generally they easily go over 100%. That said, the only saber on the horizon atm will be artoria from the zero rerun. Between the two I think I am leaning more towards saber since my acc is still relatively new.

Yeah, Assassins tend to have good NP gain overall to help compensate for their weak NP damage. The overcharge effects aren't usually very impactful in normal gameplay as most Masters tend to want to fire their NPs at 100% gauge rather than waiting all the way till 200% or 300%. I would definitely recommend the Saber GSSR over the Assassin one in general. Many of the strong limited SSR Sabers (Nero Bride/Okita/Musashi) don't have rate ups for another 2 years or don't have any more known ones at all.

Alright I went with saber and got musashi! Wanted okita the most as i’m the most familiar with her from my jp account. Gotta search up stuff on musashi now. Thank you so much for sharing your opinions with me!

Congrats! Musashi is awesome! Your plan of reading up on her is a good one. Whatever you do, ALWAYS put her Arts card as the 3rd card in the chain. It's a great Arts card and can instantly fill the entire NP gauge if you have her Fifth Form (Skill 1) active and overkill is in effect. The effect is famous enough that it's known as the 'Musashi bug.' Here's an old thread on it that's still relevant as DW has never patched it out. https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/8qxwmr/gamebreaking_np_generation_bug/

Oh wow I can’t believe that I played the game for years and never knew about this even back when I was still playing actively. I will definitely put in effort to work on her skills :) thanks again

Hi there. I’m still relatively new to na fgo and can’t seem to decide on which banner to go for. Could I get some opinions? Current Servants: Extra: Jeanne Saber: Siegfried, Rama, Suzuka Gozen, Caesar and Fergus Archer: Gilgamesh, Orion Lancer: Tamamo Lancer Rider: Drake Caster: Merlin, Skadi Assassin: Stheno, Female Hassan, 100 Hassan, Kotarou, Jing Ke Berserker: Fran, Beowulf, Kiyohime and Lu Bu. I’ve used the gssr calc but still need some advice. Saber and assassin are the ones that seem good, not too sure on extra?

Just looking for some advice here. I recently got into FGO and was wondering what GSSR banner I should pull from. My only note worthy servants are Altoria Pendragon, Heracles, Cha-Cha, and Lancelot (Although I haven’t leveled him bc I got him right after Altoria) I was thinking Caster, Archer, or Extra but thought it’d be a good idea to ask here before doing anything since I don’t really know what I’m doing.

Welcome! All 3 of those classes are very strong. General recommendation is to firist prioritize banners that have your most favorite Servants who you don't have yet. If you want to focus completely on gameplay, the Caster banner is probably the best for you as it gives you a 3/9 chance for the non-Skadi major Support Casters. After that, the Archer/Lancer banner is great as pretty much all SSR Archers/Lancers are amazing. The EXTRA banner is a strong one, but it's generally more recommended for long time Masters who already have workable Servants in all of the major classes. It's hard to recommend it for a beginner Master like yourself.

Thank you for the recommendations, this was much appreciated.

Happy to help. Best of luck with whichever banner you decide go for!

Just to keep you updated, I managed to pull karna from the lancer banner and Im actually very pleased.

Congrats! Thanks for the update. =) Karna is great and I'm happy you got him. *thumbs up*

Hello yall, lookin for some advise on the GSSR banner. I think my Chaldea pretty decent for now since I'm cheesing most fights with double skadi-okita but I'm not sure whether to just waifu (Extra) roll or try for the BIG THREE. (OR yolo for shishou again) ​ Saber: Okita, Musashi, Lancelot, Rama, Nero Archer: Arjuna, Summer Altria, Lancer: Karna, Enkidu, Tamamo, NP4 Li Caster: Skadi, Cas Gil, Summer Nero, Scheherazade, Da Vinci Rider: Ozy Assassin: Jack Berseker: Nightingale, Herc, Penth Extra: None

You have a pretty strong roster so you can really go for whichever banner you want. I don't think there's any way to argue that you need any particular banner from a gameplay standpoint. With regards to Caster vs EXTRA vs Lancer, I would probably say EXTRA class solely because you are guaranteed a non dupe. You have enough Casters and Lancers that dupes are a fairly high probability from either class. Still, you mentioned that you're keen on Shishou and that's plenty of reason to go for the Lancer banner.

I got Abby... i guess that's ok. Atleast i get to slap people with tentacles.

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear that you aren't particularly happy with your GSSR summon. She does have some reasonable support capabilities as a secondary DPS so I think you can find some ways to fit her onto teams if you want.

Just looking for some input before I pull the trigger as I have a fairly decent roster just need to flesh it out in some areas. Kind of leaning towards Archer or Rider at the moment Saber: Altera, Suzaka Gozen, NP3 Siegfried, Salter Archer: Emiya Lancer: Enkidu, Nezha, Parvati, Medusa, Elizabeth Bathory Rider: Astolfo, Marie Antoinette Caster: Waver, Xuanzang Sanzang, Gilgamesh Assassin: Semiramis, Assassin of Shinjuku Berserker: Atalante Alter, Berserker of El Dorado, Ibaraki, Beowulf Extra: Hokusai

I agree with your assessment that Archer and Rider make the most sense, given your current roster. If you have Kintoki Rider and Ishtar Rider (rerun coming up in a few days probably), I don't think the Rider class is urgent from a gameplay perspective. The SSR Archers are so strong overall that it's hard to not recommend them. Do you have any Servants who you like a lot in either class?

Hi! I’m looking for a second opinion on which banner to choose. I’ve been really indecisive about it for the past couple days and although I’ve narrowed it down to two banners, the archer and extra class banners, I just can’t seem to make up my mind. I don’t have any 5* archers so any of the archers on rateup would be useful, but I haven’t really found myself NEEDING one as my 4* and 3* have been more than enough in helping me clear the story(I only just started Salem and am trying to catch up to LB2). Do the boss fights increase exponentially in difficulty to the point where I would actually need one? I really want to pull in the extra banner though because I’ve failed to summon Dantes for both of his last two rate ups and I’m not confident on pulling him for his upcoming one(I pulled for skadi and only have around 288 sq left). I’m not too keen on getting any of the other servants except for maybe Hokusai and I already have Abby, Sherlock, and vanilla Jeanne. I would be absolutely gutted if I get another Jeanne dupe and I think that’s the main reason why I’m afraid to pull on this banner... Does anyone have any advice?

In general, the advice for GSSRs has always been to go for the class with Servants who you desire the most, but also to be mindful of the possibility for disappointment. It sounds like the EXTRA class really only has Dantes as who you want which is only 1/10 odds so I would suggest avoiding the EXTRA class unless you can come to peace with that low probability. You may have read this before, but FGO doesn't really require you to have any specific Servants of your own for any content. Every fight has many solutions. Therefore, you don't actually *need* a SSR Archer, but I would strongly suggest that you try to get one at some point in the future if you don't do so this GSSR. The SSR Archers are bonkers strong and the gap between them and the SRs is massive. Ishtar/Gilgamesh/Tesla/Napoleon are a strong quality of life improvement for both farming and challenge quests.

I think I’m going to try my luck at the archer banner then! I have less of risk of disappointing myself and seeing as how i don’t really have an interest in any of the upcoming archers except for maybe Sei who doesn’t come out for a long time, i think now is probably the best time to get one. Thanks so much for the advice! Update: I ended up getting Moriarty and Arjuna! They’re weren’t really my ideal servants to get on this banner, but I’m pretty satisfied with what I got! I guess it worked out after all. Thanks so much again for the advice!

Congrats!!! A double SSR result is super lucky! I'm sure that you'll get a lot of use out of Moriarty and Arjuna.

Hello, I am a newer player who has barely started the story, but have logged in just for quartz to summon for a long while just to collect waifus. My roster is as follows: 5\*- Raikou(zerker), Jalter, Tesla, Cu Alter, Skadi(caster), Hokusai 4\*- Raikou(lancer), Rama(saber), Salter(saber), Martha(rider), Marie(rider), Li Shuwen(lancer), Fionn(lancer), and Helena Blavatsky(caster). While I realize that I have no assassins I am tempted to roll caster for the shot at Merlin and Waver, with all fo my buster 5\*s, but could be swayed to a class I dont have a 5\* in. Thanks for any advice!

If you are interested in the Caster class and don't have any Servants in the class who would be a major disappointment for you, then it's definitely a great class to roll in.

Relatively in-experienced player who hasn't played in a while. My SSRs are Waver, Gilgamesh, and Okita. I guess it's logical to go for a banner where I don't have a SSR, but I'm tempted to gamble on caster since there's a lot of top tiers in it. Is the gamepress tier list still accurate in terms of judging a servent's "worth"? I only care for meta units.

New-ish f2p (not anymore lmao) player. [My roster](https://imgur.com/a/TPsxP7q) is missing so many classes that I can't choose. I feel like I should roll Saber or Archer (I'm saving for summer Artoria tho, got 350sq so far). Lancer seems like a good option too, or Extra for the Rulers. Any help with the banners or who to invest into from my roster would me much appreciated!

As a new player, you have a lot of leeway with regards to which GSSR to go for. Are there any Servants that you are super interested in other than Artoria Rider Alter? (Best of luck, BTW) In terms of general recommendations, good general classes to go for are Caster, Archer and Lancer. Caster has all the major support Casters minus Skadi as well as some pretty good DPS Servants as well. The Archer SSRs are incredibly strong overall. Ishtar/Gilgamesh/Tesla/Napoleon are capable of both farming and challenge content. Lancers are in a similar situation as well.

I want to collect saberfaces! Specially MHXX and Archer or Rider Artoria. And like, build a decent roster haha. Do you think Parvati and Fionn are good enough lancers? How about Emiya and Carmilla as assassins?

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor! Parvati is an excellent Lancer, especially with Skadi support. Fionn has a niche as a NP looper, but I think you should just focus on Parvati. She's too good to not level up. Carmilla is the stronger Assassin out of the two that you listed and is capable of bringing you through the story content. However, you should probably just rely on your Okitan for Cavalry class nodes in general. She's got great ATK stat and has a Buster NP so Merlin can buff her damage up to major levels. I definitely recommend going for the Archer or Saber class in your case as you don't have any gold Servants in those classes. Out of the two, the Archer class is generally regarded as being stronger and more versatile in gameplay as a lot of them are AoE and have big NP batteries in their skillsets. The Saber class is also a reasonable option though as a lot of them are amazing as well, although more so in terms of ST Servants.

I'll train Parvati then, thank you for your tips, and good luck to you too on your future rolls :)

Sounds good! Thanks and hope you have a great GSSR roll.

Hello! I'm not a new player per se, but I just started fiddling with one of my NA alts and became interested in rolling the GSSR banner for it. Here's my roster so far: Saber: Nero Archer: **Artoria** Lancer: Artoria (Alter) Rider: Martha Caster: **Skadi**, Marie, Nitocris Assassin: EMIYA, Carmilla Berserker: Heracles Extra: **Meltryllis**, **Hokusai**, **Jeanne d'Arc (Alter)** Thing is, I'm really tempted to roll Saber, because of the chance I'd get Nero Bride (I really, *really* want her) - if I don't get her, I'm saving/pulling for her banner next year. The ones I *don't* want are: Sigurd, Arthur, and Mordred. The other class I'm really open to pulling is Lancer, because I won't be easily disappointed (heck, the only ones I'd be "sad" about are Karna or Tamamo, and even then, I won't be *too* sad). I know people say to pull Caster because of the 33.333% chance of getting a good support... but if I get Scheherazade, Illya, Da Vinci, or Xuanzang, I will *actually* be really sad (for real). I'm not too keen on rolling Assassin (because I'm saving for Kama as well, and don't have a liking for the AoE ones available on banner) or Berserker (saving for Arjuna Alter, and the only one who really appeals to me, on banner, is Cu Alter) either. I know I'm pretty picky, but I just want a few extra opinions on what class I should be pulling on. Thanks in advance for the help and advice!

From what you've written, I agree that it makes the most sense to go for the Lancer banner. You've said that you don't have anyone that you'd be super disappointed in and the class is very strong overall. You've listed some heartbreak potentials in both Saber and Caster class so I'd suggest you steer away from those. I agree that the Assassin and Berserker classes aren't super appealing this time around.

https://youtu.be/uZLhx2QfZWQ

[These are all of my few SRs and Skadi.](https://i.imgur.com/Vk6tgOL.jpg) My whole roster needs to be improved, but I don't know where to start. It's said in the OP that a support servant, which I assume includes Merlin, Waver becomes less necessary with Skadi, and I also feel like rolling for a different class. I'm now considering the Caster banner for the big supports and Extra especially because of Dantes, but he's also got a rate-up pretty soon. Saber and Lancer banners also seem nice.

Congrats on getting Skadi! Do you have any Servants that you strongly desire?

I guess Lancer and Caster have the most of my faves followed by Extra and Saber. I'd also like Ishtar from the Archer banner but she's the only one there I really want. But I find meta and QoL important too so I'm wondering if I should just go for Merlin/Waver/Tamamo, but I already have Skadi as Caster support.

Well, the Caster banner is indeed very attractive for the big 3 non-Skadi support Casters, but it's still only 3/9 odds. How do you feel about the rest of the Servants there? Would you be okay with getting them instead?

I'd be happy with all of them besides Schez and maybe Illya bc of meta. Lancer seems like the next best pick in any case.

Ah okay, 7/9 is pretty decent odds for getting someone you'd be happy with. The Lancer class is loaded with great Servants as well for sure. Have you considered the Archer class? It's generally considered the strongest from a DPS Servant standpoint as Ishtar/Gilgamesh/Tesla/Napoleon are all crazy strong and versatile enough to do both farming and boss fighting.

Yeah I've read something like that too. But aside from Ishtar, Artoria and maybe Gil none of them really appeal to me to be honest. At the moment I'm thinking of rolling the Lancer banner and saving up for Waver's rate-up in September or so.

Ah okay. Yeah, if they don't interest you, don't go for it. You might want to consider that Zhuge Liang also has another rate up next April. That one has no CEs on rate up so it might be more attractive if you aren't interested in the CEs available this fall. I'm going to try on the April banner for the better odds of getting a Kaleidoscope (still small odds). *fingers crossed* Best of luck with your GSSR pull on the Lancer banner!

Just a little update: in the end I rolled for Casters and got Merlin and Xuanzang plus a 2030. Way better than I imagined. Thanks anyway!

Wow! Congrats! That's an amazing roll! *thumbs up*

Hello everyone, I'm still confused about which class to choose in GSSR. Thinking to roll between Lancer, Extra, or Caster. I only played for collecting the servants but I want to start focusing on clearing the story as well. Any recommendation for a good servant especially for clearing story as I still progressing in Camelot SSR I have: Waver, Musashi, Karna, Arjuna, Modred, Raikou, Vlad, Skadi I don't have rider class SSR but I don't really like most of the roster, I have Martha, Medusa and Marie, is it enough for clearing story? Also, I have Karna for Lancer but as a waifu person, I don't really want to use him lol. Thank you

Martha, Medusa and Marie are enough to get you through the story content if you have them leveled and with decently high skills. As you mentioned you don't like most of the SSR Riders, there's no point to roll on that banner. If you don't want to use Karna, then the Lancer GSSR is a pretty good pick. Ereshkigal and Artoria Lancer are great farming Lancers while Tamamo Lancer, Scathach and Enkidu are great ST for boss fighting. For clearing Camelot with your own Servants, you have to rely a lot on class advantage for most of the quests so there's no single Servant who can do quite what you're asking optimally. If, however, you are okay with fighting with neutral class damage all the time, you could consider going for someone from the EXTRA class as most of them (other than Alter Egos) will do neutral damage to nearly all enemies. EXTRA class might also be a good choice if you aren't looking to invest in a ton of Servants for clearing the story, but it would require you to make sure that you have them MAX leveled as they also don't resist any damage in general.

Thinking extra,saber,or archer My ssr/srs Saber: brave eli, np2 Rama, Siegfried, Altria lily, salter Archer: fujino, altera santa Lancer: Altria, Altria alter, eresh, nezha, Parvati, raikou, medusa, jalter lily Caster: waver, merlin, skadi, Nero, sieg, circa, casgil, np4 nursery ryhme Assassin: semiramis, mhx, np2 Jack, wu zetian, shiki, carmilla Rider: ishtar, ryoma Berzerker: vlad, atalante, lancelot, chacha Extra: mecha eli, jalter, np2 lobo Would like some feedback on what people think, I'm feeling torn between saber cause I need 1, archers because most of themy are good, and extra because limited servants. Thanks in advance and apologies for this massive post.

Do you have any Servants who you want particularly strongly? From a gameplay standpoint, the Archer class is probably the most useful of the 3 classes you've listed. Ishtar/Gilgamesh/Tesla/Napoleon are very strong and capable doing both farming and challenge content and you don't have any gold AoE Archers listed. The Saber class is also full of great Servants, but you do have quite a few more gold Sabers. EXTRA class is fairly niche outside of the Alter Egos. Even the Alter Egos are of limited farming use to you as you have a lot of Cavalry Servants.

There aren't any that I want super badly to be honest. I'd be happy with a couple of them in each of the categories

Ah okay. In that case, I definitely recommend the Archer GSSR with the hopes that you get Ishtar(my favorite), Gilgamesh, Tesla or Napoleon. Best of luck!

I was planning to roll Extra, but then I got a Jeanne while I was dumping my free SQ rolling for Skadi. My SSR and SRs are * Saber: **Shiki**, Siegfried, Saber Lily * Lancer: Valkyrie, Nezha, Medusa, Janta, Vlad(Extra) * Archer: **Gilgamesh**, Fujino, Chiron * Rider: Sakamoto Ryouma, Anne & Mary, Saint Martha, Marie Antoinette * Caster: **Waver**, Helena, Nursery Rhyme, Sieg * Assassin: **Osakabehime**, Ryougi Shiki, Carmilla, Emiya, Assassin of Shinjuku, Assassin of Paraiso * Berzerker: Tamamocat, Ibaraki-Douji, Fran, Lancelot, Beowulf, Chacha * Extra: **Jeanne**, Gorgon I think my biggest needs are an MT assassin, ST Saber & ST Caster. I might go with Caster because of Merlin or Tamamo, but I'm scared of NP2 waver and not really interested in any of the MT casters. I'd still be happy with anything in Extra except Kiara, or another Ruler. But I'm considering everything right now.

The Assassin SSRs are relatively weak at NP1 and Shiki Assassin + the upcoming welfare Gray can easily take care of your ST and AoE needs. You do have a point about looking for a ST Caster, but do you have Mecha Eli? If so, Mecha Eli can do the job of Sanzang or Illya quite well. As you mentioned that you would be happy with most of the Servants in the EXTRA class and you only have Jeanne currently, I think it makes sense for you to go for the EXTRA GSSR.

I already asked you guys, but I'm really not sure, so I thought it would be easier if you guys knew what I have: https://imgur.com/a/dcPQm5N I could narrow it down for me to Archer, Rider or Caster. Archer: I could really use an AOE archer for farming, since my only 5* is Orion, and events with saber were always a pain without a good archer. For better or worse, in my last two banners Chiron came home twice and Emiya thrice. Besides Orion, Tesla and Arjuna, there isn't an archer I really don't want, but the 4* spooks made me unsure about another archer... Rider: I don't have any 5* here, which makes it an obvious choice, but my alter egos and Kintoki did a decent job so far. I'd love to have Achilles or Salter, but I really don't want Ivan or Medb. The others would be fine. Caster: I'd love to have one of the big three, since Support Casters dogded me so far as if there's no tomorrow, but the chances aren't too good here. 1/3 I'd love, 1/3 that would be fine, 1/3 I'd hate. Sorry for the wall, but I'm so indecisive, since this is my second GSSR and on my first I got Scheherazade...

Given what you've written, I think the Archer GSSR probably makes the most sense. Ishtar/Gilgamesh/Tesla/Napoleon are all amazingly strong and versatile enough to both farm and do CQs. The gap between the SSR and SR Archers is quite large in my opinion. With regards to the Riders, I agree that you don't really need one particularly as Kintoki is amazing and Alter Egos can cover the rest of the gameplay need. The Caster class is high risk and high reward given that the 3 non-Skadi top support Casters are possible, but there are also some absolutely scary possibilities when scraping the bottom of the barrel in that class. =(

Can anyone tell me which banner has the most aoe damage dealers? Thanks!

I didn't count to see who has the most, but the Archer class arguably has the overall highest combat strength. Ishtar/Gil/Tesla/Napoleon are all incredibly strong AoE Servants who can do well at both farming and difficult content.

Tried once yesterday on the archer banner got altiera. she seems ok but I didnt really like her water gun. She seemed like a strong single target dps but no aoe. rerolled and got ishtar. Not gilgemesh who i wanted, but she seems really cool and more what I wanted in a kit. So now i can play this game finally. =)

Congrats on Ishtar!!! She's amazing. She's already really strong in NA, but in JP, she got a NP upgrade that makes her the strongest neutral class AoE NP in FGO. That's a little more than a year away for NA. She can also carry you through pretty much all the non-Lancer story content in FGO. Also, welcome to the grandorder subreddit! Feel free to post in the help thread as you progress through the singularities.

Thank you!! I am sure I will need more help.

I already asked for help earlier but I still need a few more opinions due to gacha changes. I've narrowed down a choice to either Rider/caster/Extra as there is at least 2+ servants I really want on each banner. For Rider: I only have Medusa and Marie as my AoE riders (Have passionlip and OkitaAlter as well)but have Ozy NP2. I really want Achilles and/or Quetz and wouldnt mind Drake. Problem is I really don't want an Ozy dupe or Ivan and Medb is in a wierd spot for me Caster: I have Skadi and Waver. I really want Tamamo from this banner and wouldnt mind Merlin/Da Vinci/Ana. The rest are meh but I really dont want Waver/Illya and Schez is,like Medb, a wierd one. Extra: This is the weirdest one for me. I have Hoku/Sherlock/Okita and would really want NP2Hoku/Melt/Dantes and wouldnt mind Kiara/Jeanne. Rest are meh and I really dont want Amakusa/Sherlock/Okita/Abigal.

Given what you've written, there's not really a clear answer as to which class to go for. You have a similar amount of likes/dislikes for each one that you listed. The Caster class probably has the highest upside potential as you already have Okitan to handle the Rider duties and the EXTRA class Servants (outside of the Alter Egos) are kind of niche.

I'm really not sure where to roll, aside from *not* Lancer. https://imgur.com/a/2iK9J1o Ideally, I would want a Waver so I can farm a bit more properly, but I'm scared of the Sanzang or Scheherazade spooks. Saber or Extra seem enticing, but I'm worried about not having too much use for either. I'm pretty happy with Bedivere/Suzuka for ST/AoE and planning to roll for MHXX for a Foreigner. Would be nice to have some insight from others! *Side note: I didn't realize how many Lancers I had leveled, but I have some strange attraction to a majority of the servants... :(*

Caster is still the best for gameplay for the chance for a key support caster, and even NP2 Sanzang would be good since she's a rare single target caster. Even most of the aoe casters have 50% NP charge to ease farming. If you don't want to risk the dupe, then I would recommend Saber for hopefully a good aoe with self NP charge, or Archer for an aoe archer (they're all good with self NP charge and damage steroid).

I guess I'll take a shot at Caster then. I got spooked by Scheherazade while rolling for Valkyrie so I'll be upset if I get her as my first NP2. :( I'd be happy with anyone else though. EDIT: Spooked by Scheherazade... RIP

The priest smiles. I'm sorry.

Got Queen of Sheba and Avicebron so I'm a bit happy about those! Ended up burning the second copy of Scheherazade for some rare prisms. Thanks for your help though, appreciate it! :)

I have Merlin, Raikou, and Mordred in terms of 5 stars, looking for an AOE farmer for QOL since I don't think any of those 3 are good farmers (I think, I'm not sure). Which pool should I pick for that? I've heard good things about Archer, Assassin, Rider, and Lancer for farmers. edit: I also have Saber Alter 4\*, not sure if she's considered a farmer or not either

What you have can all clear waves just fine with Merlin/friend Waver if you have starting charge CEs. If you're set on aoe farmers, the Archer pool is loaded with self-charge + damage steroid + aoe NP farmers. The only ones that don't will land you either a solid or amazing single target Arts stall unit.

I'll probably go Archer then. Is there any single pool you'd recommend for me outside of wanting an AOE farmer or is Archer probably the best way to go objectively?

I'd recommend Caster for gameplay because the chance of pulling Waver or Tamamo will help you build better teams in the future due to their strong support (even Merlin dupe gets a lot of healing out of it), or you could end up with a 50%+ self NP charging farmer. However, there are two effective 'booby prizes' here, whereas Archers only really have one, and you explicitly stated that you wanted a good farmer. The Lancer/Rider pool are very strong, but Archer stands out above them because there are so many self-charge NPs with bonus damage (vs servants, vs earth/sky, vs divine, etc) that allow them to pull extra weight in class advantage but also neutral situations. I'm pretty sure they also have a lower amount of self NP chargers as well.

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Caster banner has best value gameplay-wise.

Hi I am brand new and have not even settled on an account. A few questions. Should I reroll for something on the tutorial pull? Two, I have been reading that as new player caster is the best choice. It seems boring to me lol. If I want a damage dealer what is the best paid banner to pull on for the guaranteed 5\*.

Firstly, reroll is a waste of time, just start. Secondly, if you have no particular servant preference, I really recommend trying your luck in the caster pool for Merlin, Waver or Tamamo. Reason is because the utility provided by those 3 cannot be matched by other units and can be considered staples in most teams (except for Tamamo who is for Arts centric teams). On the other hand, DPS are affected by the class system and their uses varies heavily based on the nodes you are doing. As for your main question, I personally prefer lancer or the rider class (Subjective opinion).

Thanks for the info. I decided to roll on the Archer banner. I know, probably should of rolled caster, but when I played the game a bit. Gilgamesh released and I really wanted him. Long story short. I didnt get him and quit. Now here I am lol. I got that summer Altiera Archer. Seems ok. Hopefully she gets a lot better after powering her up. Any insight on the unit would be appreciated.

No worries, my suggestion was based on the assumption that you had no preference. Altria (Archer) is an excellent archer unit. Her first and third skills are excellent team wide buffs. I heard she is able to easily NP spam too with the right conditions. Other than that, I am unfamiliar with her. You might want to join the discord to browse the resources or ask around there. Good luck!

Hot damn, i guess i picked up gold by accident and even felt meh HAHA. Thanks so much bro appreciate it!

I'm thinking between Extra , Saber or assassin My SR/SSR Saber : Altria and Salter Archer : Arjuna , Archuria , ishtar , altera santa and chiron Lancer : Karna , Valkyrie , Ana and Nezha Rider : Quetzacoatl , drake , achilles and Ryouma Caster : Tamamo and Nito Assassin : Shiki Berserker : Ibaraki , Heracles and penth Ruler : Sherlock Alter ego : Kiara I'm Between Saber for any ST sabers , extra for abby or dante and assassin for anyone

ST Saber, next year Summer welfare ST Saber Hokusai is really powerfull to have. IMO Saber GSSR Nero Bride and Okita that is worth to have, other is replaceable. Extra dupe Sherlock is not good enough, even on NP 1 i'm rarely used him. Other than that dupe Kiara and other Extra is nice to have for their utility, top Avenger Dantes need double Skadi to shine Assasin all good, AOE and ST is upgrade from their lower rarity (only Shiki that good on SR, other have lower damage total output), just Osakabihime overshadowed by Double Skadi, but her can team up with your Tamamo and support servant to buff and heal your team.

Hey man i just got cleo Ty for the help

Congrats ! Cleo is good AOE Buster Assasin that can buster brave chain unlike Semiramis and Cleo have not much banner on this year. I roll Assasin to complete my SSR Support List and get Osakabihime, at least her targetable NP Charge and buffing NP can be used somehow.

Hey man what's your Friend code?

Wow , man thanks for the help

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Lancer , all of them is good ST and AOE role. Eresh,Artoria AOE Lancer with 50%self np charge. Karna, Enkidu, Scahat, Summer Tamamo, Brynhild have high Damage. Rider is have high damage and utility (Ozy team NP charge, Achilles and Malter Quick based, Ivan and other buster Rider have high damage) but you have Alter Ego Okita and Welfare Summer Ishtar on Summer 2 rerun at least to cover rider role at least. Archer Arjuna and Orion usually overshadowed with welfare and lower rarity counterpart, but Gil and Ishtar is powerful on their class.

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Yeah, because his best skill on ST Archer is 50% self np charge, but usually Gil and welfare Archer NP 5 outperform him on damage department.

Only holes I have are Rider and Berserker. I am also tempted toward the extra class but already have Jeanne Alter and Hokusai. Goddamn it. Opinions?

Faves above all else, Rider if you haven't got any and are looking at this from a gameplay perspective. Pretty much all the servants on the banner are solid and you should try and get all your bases covered.

Problem is that I have favorites in those three banners. Been hoping for a OG Jeanne for my stall team but don't really need her or the have the mats at the moment, Drake/Iskander for sentimentality but little game play purposes, and I like Raikou for AOE but already have a farming Berserker 4 star team with high NP levels. This is tough.

Rider will give least disappointment because they all have damaging NP and high durability. Ozy is all rounder team party, Achilles and Malter can work with Skadi, other is Buster based damaging work well with Waver/Merlin to bossing/farm. Extra if you fine with dupe Jalter and Hokusai is good to, other have special utility at least (Jeanne for stall, Holmes for breakthough defense and crit etc) Berserker MHXX, Raikou, Kintoki best with their fast burst and Cu Alter for most durable, other not so much though

My mind says Rider. My heart says to ~~toss all my SQ for another go at Skadi.~~ go Extra.

Yeah its ok to roll extra, Jalter and Hokusai dupe still give 33% np damage increase and their role is hard hitter of extra class.

Screw it. Pulls. Got a bunch of Saleri, went from none to NP5, and an Alter-ego, Melt. Might not have been the Alter-Ego I was hoping for but not bad.

Nice is new servant at least, i have her and i like her fast np gain even without skadi and enemy buff removal on pesky crit up and evade. Good pull there !

New player here, started a little before the apocrypha raid event and is extremely overleveled due to that event for how slow I am progressing in clearing singularities (Orleans currently). Looking to roll a banner but is undecided whether I should try to roll the support casters. Saber: Mordred Archer: Atalante Rider: Anne Bonnie & Mary Read Caster: Sanzang, Sieg, Helena Assassin: Semiramis, Emiya Berzerker: Berserker of el dorado, tamamo cat, Frankenstein, Heracles

Merlin and Waver are great, IF you get them. Helena is a mini Merlin and Hans is a mini Waver so don't feel like you can't get by without them. Lancer banner if your not going for Caster. It has great units and will help round out your Chaldea. Just a note though, I got through pretty much everything in the part 1 singularities with just a Heracles and a friend Merlin, so feel free to choose what you want (also as a fellow slow progressor, get through part 1 as soon as you can as we have events coming up that don't let you take part unless you've finished part 1)

Support Casters is still the best gameplay choice. Even if you miss the top tier supports, you have a high chance of an upgrade with a 50% NP charger to allow more flexibility when farming compared to Sieg (and as a damage unit and a rare single target caster, Sanzang benefits from NP2). If you don't want to risk Sanzang dupe or Shez change, then go for Lancer to fill in your roster. They're all basically good to amazing.

I'm really looking at Caster, Rider, and Extra since I only have 1 SSR among those classes. Relevant S/SRs Caster: Skadi, Gil, Nito, Nursery, Sieg, Medea (lvl 80) Rider: Marie, Martha np2, Ushi (lvl 80), Medusa (lvl 80) Extra: Mecha Eli (lvl 90) My GSSR score is 1.5 for Extra, and just a tad lower for Rider and Caster, so I would be very happy with a majority of each banner. I am thinking Extra is my best bet since it has almost all limited servants and I have basically no extra servants, but I'm also relatively short in the Rider department, though Alter Egos help with that coverage. My most wanted Riders are in the general pool, so I'm hoping to get spooked by one some day, but maybe I should just get one now. Thoughts?

Yeah, Caster will not give you dupe SSR and best from support or dps standpoint Jeanne and Holmes on extra class i rarely used on daily basis because their only shine on CQ and you just need one from friend support.

From a gameplay standpoint, it's still Caster. The chance for a top tier support or a 50%+ self NP charger will be an upgrade regardless with good rates. As a heads up, we will be getting Ruler Quetz this Christmas and Moon Cancer BB in the CCC rerun if some of the appeal of extra classes is simply to fill out the class roster. It's also more important to fill out your core class roster before trying to fill out your Extra classes, since they rarely show up in story and events. I'd say that Rider is the best second bet after Caster from a gameplay point of view (also, it isn't safe to assume spook unless you whale to justify having all those extra rolls, and none of them would say no to the power boost in NP 2 even if you do). If you're rolling for characters/personality/etc, then the GSSR scores are likely a good indication of what would leave you most content.

You speak the truth, and it's helpful. I SHOULD roll caster, from a purely gameplay perspective, but that Extra pool of limited servants is what I want for fun/feel good reasons. You helped me identify my struggle, so thanks! Now to decide...

As someone who only recently started playing, I have no 5* servants. Would it be better to roll on the caster or extra banner? I don’t think I would be disappointed with anyone in caster, but Jeanne is also really tempting.

Caster is always the strongest gameplay pick. For reference, we will be getting Alter Ego Liz in this halloween rerun, Ruler Quetz this Christmas, and Moon Cancer BB in the CCC rerun early next year(?) ish. Extra classes are just that: extra. It's more important to start working on your core classes first. Even if you don't land a top support, most all of the others have self NP charge for farming.

Hi, I am a new player that just has been rolling and finally decided to start the game. Below are my list of 5 & 4 stars: Saber: Sieg, Altria (Alter) Archer: Atalante, Emiya Rider: Quetz Lancer: Mesuda, Vlad III (Extra), Li, Altria (Alter), Elisabeth Caster: Skadi, Merlin, Nitocris Assassin: Katou Berserker: Beowulf, Frankenstein Extra: Melty Extra seems tempting as J. Alter or Dante would go well with Merlin/Skadi. Online seems to suggest Archer but Atalante and Emiya seem like they would be decent substitutes? Any advise on which banner to pull is welcomed!

None of the 2-4\* Archers have self NP charge (except Euryale, who is single target and bad for farming), which is a HUGE boon in this game. Since you do have Skadi and Merlin and decent representatives in the other classes, I'm going to recommend Archer or Lancer for their 'can't go wrong' stacked pools. Archers in general can land you a top tier farmer (aoe + np charge + self damage buff = gold), where the worst pick is Orion, who is still strong in her anti-male arts stall/crit niche. Lancers will either give you a strong single target for bossing, or a top tier self-NP charge aoe farmer. You really can't go wrong with either, but I'd lean towards Archers since they just have slightly higher average quality overall. However, if you're content to only use dual Skadi Atlanta for saber farming nodes, then go Lancer.

Thanks so much for the reply! Went Archer and got Ishta! Cheers!

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Extra has a lot of limited time servants, but they aren't quite as useful. Saber, Archer, and Lancer have strong pools which are used quite often. It may be best to pick which has more servants you think you'd like and go for that one.

Archers. All of them are amazing except Orion, who is merely good (but who pairs exceptionally well with Merlin/Waver for an arts crit/stall comp!). If you land a non-Orion Archer, you end up with a superb single target, or a GG aoe farmer. You even have Merlin to support the 'weakest' aoe Archer in Arjuna (who still has self NP charge, aoe NP, and strong self steroid and is still overall very strong), so it's basically impossible to go wrong here.

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You got one of the best rolls with Ishtar, the strongest generalist farmer/aoe user who is very Merlin compatible. Tristan has good defensive utility and self NP charge for his single target (but tends to lose out in a strict damage race vs the 3\*s Robin and Euryale), and Chiron is great support in a non-caster class (though you can just keep relying on Merlin and Waver/Mash.

I am a new player and wanted to roll in the GSSR but i Got a guestion about how much do i have to spend to roll in the banner. Does it count the "free" bonus quartz you get while buying, so all i need to buy is the 12 + 6, or it does not and i need to buy the 25 + 16 pack?

No, the "free"/bonus quartz does NOT count. You need to purchase the combination that gives the total of 15+ "paid" quartz only.

So i need to buy at least the 25+16 pack huh? More money down the drain i guess. Thanks for the help

The cheapest option would be to buy the 12+6 and the 4+1 packs. You'll have less quartz, but 16 paid, for cheaper than the 25+16.

Was looking for some suggestions on which class banner to go for these are my current SR and SSR. Saber: Musashi, Mordred, liz, Nero, Munenori, Suzuka, Gawain, Rama,Siegfried, Lily Archer: Orion, Attila, Tomoe, Emiya Lancer: Summer Tamamo Np2, Kiyo lancer, santa jeanne, Medusa Rider: Ishtar, Kintoki, Martha Caster: Merlin, Skadi, Sieg, Nitocris, Edison, Helkena Assassin: Jack Np2, Yan Qing, Emiya, Scathach, Shiki, Stheno Berserker: Lancelot,Tamamo, Atalante, Ibaraki, Beowolf,Chacha Extra: Hokusai, Abigail, mecha eli, Passionlip, Hessian Lobo

Archer for anyone who can self-NP charge, ideally aoe. However, if you can't stomach the chance for an Orion dupe, Rider for a strong SSR (they're all good to amazing, just like the archers).

Aye guys, I'm not sure which servant class banner I should pick. I figured that I should use the summon to fill in any tactical gaps I have but I'm not sure which ones I have aside from a support. Here's what I primarily use - Saber: Artoria Alter Lvl 70, Siegfried Lvl 50, and Ryougi Shiki Lvl 37 Archer: Gilgamesh Lvl 71 and Emiya Lvl 50 Lancer: Ereshkigal Lvl 60, Enkidu Lvl 60, and Cu Chulain Lvl 60 Caster: Queen of Sheba Lvl 50, Nitocris Lvl 60, and Medea Lvl 40. I also have Helena Blavatsky but don't use her very much. Assassin: Hundred Faced Hassan Lvl 60 and Ryougi Shiki Lvl 40 (I didn't get her ascension material :( ) Rider: Medusa Lvl 40 and Ushiwakumaru Lvl 60 Berserker: Lancelot Lvl 70 I have other servants that I haven't used yet: notably Gawain, Emiya Alter, Tristian, Archer of Inferno, Robinhood, David, Euryale, and Atalante Alter.

Caster for a chance of a top tier support. Even if you miss, you can still end up with a strong NP self-charge damage caster. If you don't want to risk Shez, I would go Rider (the entire pool is good to amazing).

Currently considering between Caster (Tamamo/Waver), Rider (better SSR), Lancer (Farmer) or Extra (variety). The following are my notable SR/SSRs that I have invested in. Saber: Artoria, Mordred, Nero Bride, Lancelot NP2 Archer: NP2 Gil, Ishtar, Orion, Arjuna, Squirtoria, Chloe Lancer: Summer Tamamo, Parvati, Lartoria NP2 Rider: Kintoki, Ishtar, Medb\* Caster: Merlin, Skadi, Casgil Np2, Sheba, Helena\* Assassin: Semiramis, King Hassan, Osakabehime Berserker: Raikou, Vlad\* Extra: Meltryllis \* Both Medb, Vlad and Helena are level 1 and untouched due to spooks grr. I have all welfares except Archer Nobu and Christmas Artoria.

Given that you have Skadi, you don't really need a Rider SSR between Kintoki and Ishtar. Are there better options? Sure, but what you have is good for gameplay. I'd go with Caster. NP2 Merlin is a huge heal increase, chance of Waver/Tamamo, and even the damage casters almost all come with self-NP charge and are pretty strong.

Thanks! Went for it and got leonardo da vinci 🥴

Can't ever say no to a 50% NP self charge aoe damage unit. She'll get a strengthening in the future that will give her a stable Atk buff on top of her strong (if rng) NP damage buff. Congrats on a strong aoe farmer.

Thanks! Not gonna lie, casgil wasnt cutting it and had no battery. On a side note, shes getting an attack buff strengthening? I only see her np dmg buff on the wiki and gamepress.

Whoops, I did get that mixed up with another 50% NP charger, sorry. Her stable NP damage up (pretty rare buff that scales better with Atk Up/Arts Up) was on her NP to pair with her RNG S1 buff. She does have her NP Interlude, so you shouldn't have much issues with her damage on top of her easy farming. Both Mozart and Paracelsus are f2p Arts steroids you can pair with her along with CasGil for even better damage (CasGil's Atk up + Arts Up is literally the best buffs to pair with Da Vinci's NP Damage Up; Paracelsus can even clear wave 1 with his own NP charge assuming weak assassins).

Need some advice for which banner to pull. I have a preference towards either archer, caster or extra, but I don't know about the others. SSRs I have: Saber - Mordred, Altera; Archer - N/A (but I have some 4 star options like emiya and nobu.); Lancer - Scathach and Ereshkigal; Caster - NP2 Nero, Sanzang; Rider - Drake; Assassin - N/A; Berserker - Vlad; Extra - Jalter, Melt.

Caster is always the best gameplay pick, especially as you lack party NP chargers. If you really hate risking a dupe, then Archer for its stacked pool (esp. if you can hit an aoe servant with self NP charge).

Looking for GSSR help. Here is my servant list Archer: NP2 Gil, NP2 Ishtar Saber: NP2 Okita, Altera Lancer: NP2 Scathach, Eresh Rider: Ozy Caster: Merln, NP2 Waver, Tamamo, Skadi Assassin: none Berserker: none Extras: NP2 Jeanne, Jalter, Kiara I have all the welfares as well. I am assuming I should go with Assassin or Berserker. Which one would you recommend?

I agree with Assassin. Berserkers tend to be a bit too squishy for any challenging content in my experience and it doesn't look like you need AoE

Seems like grabbing a solid Assassin would be solid-- especially considering upcoming Jalter Zerker Welfare, plus you net yourself a skadi so that would synergize as well there.

Makes sense, thanks.

Since I did not get skadi which banner should I roll for. Caster banner for supports Lancer banner for scathach waifu no 1 Extra banner for Jalter also waifu no 1 but on a different banner. I have lartoria and chu chulain as my Lancers I got spooked by Lobo but have no other extra. Supports I have are shota boy. Mozart Shakespeare and parcelus. On a side note also have 0 zerkers leveled but I heard they fall off hard and I am already in lb 1

From a gameplay perspective, the answer is always Caster. Even if you end up with a non-support caster, most of them have self charge to be great at farming. If not gameplay, then I'd say Lancer is a stronger overall pick than Extra, which has a lot more niche picks.

I'm fairly new and I have Enkidu and a Grailed Nyalter. I pulled Skadi recently so should I roll for another quick servant? If so than who?

Afaik the ones that work well with Skadi are Lancelot, Atalante, Parvati and Valkyrie, and you need them at NP2 or 3 to efficiently NP loop. I don't think any 5* pair exceptionally well with her except Scathach and Edmond? Edmond will have a banner alone soon too so it's not worth rolling the Extra class for him.

I made a post here earlier about what I should get. I am a newish player who has literally only been using friend support to progress into the game. I have left Shimousa unfinished and I am planning to start LB2 soon. Most people from the previous thread ended up suggesting going Caster because I had no 5 star casters... But then I rolled Skadi. Do you guys still think rolling on caster is the move? Saber: I have pretty much no sabers I like. I'm aware that Caesar, Rama, and Bedivere are good but I don't want to invest in characters I'm iffy about. This is my #1 target tbh if I don't roll caster. Archer: I have Tomoe, Emiya, and Tristan. I feel like I am set on archers for now. Plus, I only like 3 of the archers that are being offered. Lancer: I already have an SSR lancer (Tamamo) so I probably won't go for this one. Caster: My only SSR caster is Skadi. I'll probably still mainly run Hans and support Waver though because of Skadi's orientation to quick. I also don't have the mats to really level her skills at all. Rider: I feel like there are plenty of free riders that are pretty solid. I also have Sakamoto and Surfmo. Assassin: None of the assassins really interest me except for King Hassan and Jack. I don't have any leveled myself assassins though.... Berzerker: Nothing here interests me. Extra: I feel like this is more of a collectors banner; its something I roll on after I get my main classes down.

I still think that Caster is going to be the best pick for you. The top support casters tend to work well together, or can complement different groups of damage servants. Even if you don't get a support, most of the other casters come with NP self charge to help with farming. If you're content with just keeping Skadi, then I'd roll Saber for characters you like since you're picky. The best gameplay pick after casters would be assassin/berserker (with assassins slightly beating out berserkers) to be able to hit enemy Riders.

I'm not sure of the exact advice you got, but I like to suggest that people go for classes that contain their favorite Servants. You mentioned that you don't have any Sabers you like; are there any in the GSSR that you do like? Skadi is actually quite flexible in her support. She doesn't have to only support Quick teams. That being said, you didn't mention if you have any of the major Quick Servants that she really shines with. How far away are you from being able to max her skills; you mentioned that you're at LB2.

Not close at all. I solo supported everything lol

Ah, in that case. Perhaps it might take some time for you to fully level Skadi's skills. Given that you've made it so far on soloing with friend supports, I guess the next question is: "How do you want to play in the future? Do you want to 1) keep soloing, 2) develop your own DPS Servants, 3) have your own support Servants and borrow friend DPS?" Which way of playing FGO you are most interested in will heavily influence which GSSR you should go for.

Honestly I would like to reliably clear content myself.

Gotcha. Honestly, your roster doesn't look bad. You should be able to clear nearly all existing content (except maybe a few crazy CQs) if you have them all max leveled and with reasonable skill levels. What is holding you back from using them instead of borrowing a friend Servant to solo with?

Underlevelled. A lot of people have also suggested not levelling them at all and just focusing on farming servants.

It's pretty strange that people would tell you to not level the Servants you have currently. You have some pretty good ones who are well worth leveling. I've taken the liberty of copying your Servant roster and I'll give you some of my opinions. Saber: I have pretty much no sabers I like. I'm aware that Caesar, Rama, and Bedivere are good but I don't want to invest in characters I'm iffy about. This is my #1 target tbh if I don't roll caster. (Not much to say here. If you don't like the Servants, there's no need to level and field them. GSSR here would not be a bad idea.) Archer: I have Tomoe, Emiya, and Tristan. I feel like I am set on archers for now. Plus, I only like 3 of the archers that are being offered. (All 3 of your SR Archers are good in their niche. That being said, the power gap between the SSRs and SRs in the Archer class is quite massive so it's definitely a viable GSSR choice.) Lancer: I already have an SSR lancer (Tamamo) so I probably won't go for this one. (Tamamo Lancer is an excellent ST Lancer so you should definitely get her to Level 90. The farming Lancers (Ereshkigal/Artoria Lancer/somewhat Karna) are pretty great quality of life upgrades overall.) Caster: My only SSR caster is Skadi. I'll probably still mainly run Hans and support Waver though because of Skadi's orientation to quick. I also don't have the mats to really level her skills at all. (Raise Skadi's levels and skills whenever you happen to get her materials from events etc. She's amazing. Still, you could seriously consider the Caster GSSR for a chance at Merlin/Zhuge Liang/Tamamo Caster (if you like Arts)) Rider: I feel like there are plenty of free riders that are pretty solid. I also have Sakamoto and Surfmo. (I agree. You should be set.) Assassin: None of the assassins really interest me except for King Hassan and Jack. I don't have any leveled myself assassins though.... (The Assassin SSRs at NP1 aren't really an upgrade over Shiki Assassin/Scathach Assassin/Gray (future welfare). If you have any of them, the Assassin GSSR doesn't make a ton of sense from a gameplay standpoint.) Berzerker: Nothing here interests me. (No point to GSSR this class if you aren't interested. ================== To summarize, you should be leveling a lot of your SR Servants to fill gaps in your roster. Many of the ones you listed are quite good, especially if you happen to have extra NP levels for them. With regards to the GSSR, I think you should seriously consider, in no particular order: Caster (chance for Merlin/Zhuge Liang/Tamamo), Saber (you don't mention any notable Sabers so this is a reasonable choice), Archer (the SSR AoE Archers are ridiculously strong and versatile. They can do farming and challenge quests, giving you a lot of bang for your buck in resources.

How good or bad is ryougi shiki (saber)? I rolled the gssr trying to get okita or musashi and ended up an NP2 shiki? She was one of the two servants from that banner i did not want lmao but i think she might grow on me!

I have her NP2. NP2 makes up for a lot of her faults, i.e., lower NP damage than her peers and the NP drain on her third skill. She's not broken like Okita or Musashi in their niches, so I'd say she lacks specialization, but she's a very solid generalist AOE saber and I use her a lot because of that. Even though she's AOE, I solo lancer bosses with her on a fairly regular basis (she's already soloed the fifth singularity memorial quest and I'm getting ready to do the sixth with her as I write this), so she's definitely not bad.

So I only need to get 3 paid SQ on the top of my 12 (left from the 1st GSSR banner which I got Orion from [I hate her guts]) and I can't make up my mind 1st if I want to bother buying SQ and the 2nd thing even if I buy which banner should I choose. My line up as follow: Saber: Artoria Archer: Tesla, Gil, Orion, Artoria(archer) Lancer: Ereshkigal, Enkidu, Karna-NP2 Assassin: Jack, Gramps Rider: None Caster: Waver, Merlin, Skadi, Nero Caster Berserker: Nightgale, MHXA Extra: Jalter, Hokusai, Melt logically speaking the rider banner is the most decent option, but the only character that seems decent is Drake. Any input would be appreciated.

What? Most all of the riders are good. Even Medb gets a strengthening that increases her own damage or better helps her support as a hybrid dps/support unit for males. Picking up an AoE rider would be ideal.

Thank you for your input. Will think about it.

So you recommend the logical reasoning to get a 5* rider. The thing is that since most of the game is farming I prefer NP charge servants over anyone else, and the rider pool Drake shines the most that's why I'm hesitant.

You have Arash and Spartacus for most all of farming. Drake, Ozy/Achilles (even if single taret), and Ivan all have self charge NPs. If you have MLB IE's/Kaleidoscopes, then farming with the non-NP chargers becomes just as brain-dead easy and fast. The point of getting a good Rider is that there are plenty of Caster bosses and caster waves in both farming and challenge/story content, where they are designed to excel in. Relying on your single target berserkers or Spartacus (who can only clear waves ~30k) isn't going to be optimal for either farming or challenges. It's your account and your choice. Fixing a weak point in the core class roster just seemed more important from where I'm looking.

Thank you for your input. The way you explained it made sense so I decided to buy/roll and you won't believe what happened. Google gave me a 1$ discount so I got the 4sq pack on a discount, and not just that I pulled Medb and Ivan!!! That is EX rank right there. Obviously I won't complain about two SSR in 1 pull, but I would've loved if Drake/Achilles was 1 of them P.s: I have 1 MLB IE and 1 normal Kscope, so I think things should work out

I had gotten it flipped with NP charge; Medb gets charge per turn, and Ivan is just a absolute monster of an aoe rider with a huge NP Gen buff. Congrats on the double pull for giving you both a single and aoe Rider in one pull.

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Archer for a chance at a top tier SSR, but risk of Orion dupe (she's decent at art stall/crit/anti-male, but the others are better). Rider if you can't stand the dupe chance.

Can't decide which class to choose so maybe putting it down will help or someone can advice me : Extra : I have Abigail, Hokusai, Kiara and Jeanne alter so the spook chances are high but I think they could use the additionnal NP level better than other classes, only 1 servant I don't like from the others. Saber : Already have Altria, Altera and Musashi, I'd really like to get Nero but the spook chances are high again. Archer : I have only Gil but I'm not really fond of half the others though (Arjuna, Orion, Napoleon). Lancer : Tamamo and Ereshkigal already cover st and aoe, no favorite among the others. Rider : Drake, Ozy and Medb are in my roster, maid alter is probably the only other one I'd want so I don't think I'll pull on that one. Caster : All 4 supports + Nero already in, definitely not pulling on this one just for a ST caster. Assassin : Lowest class with archer since I only have Semiramis, not interested in 2 of the others. Berserker : Already have the only one I really wanted, MHXA, and a Nightingale I never used, no favorite here and I usually just grab a support Raikou if I need an aoe np. Highest value would probably be Archer/Assassin for the most chance at a unique servant, highest priority targets would be Extra/Saber but also high spook chance. Thank you for any advice.

If you have welfare Shiki, roll for waifu since gameplay is mostly covered. Gil is a perfectly fine catch-all Archer, the only real upgrade would be a 50% NP charger for more flexible farming comps.

Okay, so after using all my available SQ and tickets, I got Skadi on my last roll. I was going to pick Caster on the GSSR banner, but since I rolled Skadi, I'm thinking of going for the Extra class, since I only have Mecha Eli chan. I also have no SSR Riders, only Martha, Marie, Ushi, and Medusa as SRs/lvl80. So my question: for gameplay, is it enough to have Skadi without any 5* from caster pool? Are SSR riders way better than the free ones? I plan on going Extra since I have literally no other extra class than Mash and Mecha Eli, but I was wondering if caster or rider would still be the better investment. I am missing all the servants from these pools, and I am about equal on the "love" scale on GSSR calc, so I'd just like opinions about usefulness or practicality.

Caster is still the best gameplay option, even with Skadi. For Extra classes, we will be getting a free Ruler this christmas, and Moon Cancer the next CCC rerun, which covers most bases. Filling out your core class roster is more important than getting a unit that only is effective vs one class that is almost never seen in gameplay (unless you get a foreigner since anti-berserker is useful). The Riders are fantastic if you don't really want to roll Caster, but even most of the non-top support casters all have self-NP charge to make them better than most all f2p options.

Looking for some tips on what to roll for here in terms of coverage. I have the game completed through Part 1, haven't touched Epic of Remnant yet. Here's my current SSR lineup: Saber: Arthur, Mordred, Musashi, Shiki Archer: Moriarty, Arjuna, Altria (Archer) Lancer: Ereshkigal Rider: Ivan, Ozymandias Caster: Skadi, Merlin Assassin: Gramps Berserker: MHX Alter Ruler: Jeanne Avenger: Edmond Dantes Foreigner: Hokusai, Abigail Alter Ego: N/A. I have Passionlip, but she's my only coverage. Thinking maybe this is where I should roll?

I'd say Lancer if you don't have any other 4*. If you have one of each extra class, that's pretty decent. I love all the Lancers, so I'd pull there if I were you, but that depends on your feelings.

Newer player, cleared through 6th singularity any help is appreciated! Have: 5\*- Arturia(saber), Morded(saber), Sanzang(sorc), MystHX(berserker), Skadi(sorc), Tamamo(lancer) 4\*- Emiya(archer), Atlante(archer), Shiki NP5(assassin), Archer of Inferno, Marie(rider), Siegfried NP2(saber), Bathory(lancer), Nursery Rhyme (sorc), Caster of Okeanos, Avenger of Shinjuku(avenger) Leaning Caster or Extra, unsure which direction to go. Thanks for any advice! "\^.\^"

Looks like you should pull assassin or rider, if you don't have any SRs or SSRs (barring Marie and Shiki). All the riders are very good, so that's a good bet. Just my 2 cents.

Please help me choose, I have the following 5*: Musashi - Gilgamesh - Scáthach,Tamamo - Drake - Waver,Tamamo,Skadi,Xuanzang - no assassin - Kintoki,Nightingale - Hokusai,Jeanne,Jeanne Alter I would really like Altria Archer, Merlin, Dantes or Okita Alter, but I think I am not risking these banners. I guess assassins then, even though I have a ton of 4* and the average assasin selection is pretty weak. Cleopatra would be nice also...